@@MI-nv8np I agree with that, in order to keep the time per game low it is necessary. However, unless you are the winning team it feels so bad to play against a snowballing team. It makes half your games, assuming you win half your games, you feeling bad losing to such hard snowballing. Plus it incentives super early cheese strats that allow snowballing.
@@periklisperperis6868 As a top main, this isn't really true. If Nasus and Aatrox go even in lane, then scaling will take effect, BUT if Aatrox gets an early kill over scuttle fight or something, all he has to do is freeze the wave. Now you're just going to get run down over and over as you desperately try to get in cs range. 1 mis-step and you just fed aatrox even more.
@@thegreen.6986 That and her new build. Its not the most consistent but having a spammable shield along with gore drinker is nuts. Worse yet shes got cc and mobility to stall until her gore drinker comes back. Not to mention conq and triumph healing
@@freshlymemed5680 i main her, with one her build her e is only 2 second cd(shield is around 550-600), her q can have 3 second cd(if u know to cancel animation which for her q isn't that hard u get brutal dps). And she is very good trader early game due to her passive. I played so much games into nasus and she can 1v1 him if ur skilled a bit. He literally deal no dmg if u time his q with u e. I just love riven, fun champ, skilled and she penetrates enemy team.
@@Em3nt4l3R yeah, actually fun champs like darius, starting from gold elo are useless, bcz new champs/items are broken, to name a few: viego, fiora, yone. Viego somehow beats darius in 1v1, fiora with 2 items is unkillable, and yone 2 items has 100% crit, so balanced. Imagine giving that option to shaco, building 2 items for 100% crit chance, just saying, that would make him permabanned, like old kassadin. And yet, yone and yasuo are ok, still high banrate, but yeah that is in the game.
Bro just yesterday i was playing as xayah and was like 13/2 vs a vi who was also fed af but was full lethality and only had armor boots and still I could barely do any dmg to her whatsoever, now if that’s ok w/e fighters are not broken
I think that's because the game is making champs more and more self sufficient. Which I don't really like since I enjoy the teamwork aspect of the game, but oh well.
@@Justin73791 I get that in Solo Queue you can’t trust anyone and you have to put in the work, but I find the purpose of this game is to work with these strangers
@@JohnZ- That's when I have the most fun. When the entire team pulls off some kind of coordinated strategy for a clutch win. If it's just an uber lane stomp, champ diff or 1 player smurf I get kind of bored, even if we win from it.
@@JohnZ- that's pretty hard considering I'm a support main. My job is to make sure whatever stupid plan of my team actually works, so I'm obligated to trust in them...that or completely abandon them and go with the toplaner Edit:typo
Riot isn't "classifying" new champs as fighters, they are simply put, making more fighters. Before 2020, it was REALLY rare to get an ap bruiser, but then we got 2 in the span of 9 months (Lillia and gwen). Yone is a skirmisher soo... and sett is a bruiser.
@@againsslayer7339 if you take into account rammus w doublig his resistances and aftershock (which is pretty easy to time your ult when it happens) then after both aftershock and w wear off rammus ends up with negative resistances, so all damage he takes is basically true damage but increased, meanwhile trundle gets around 120 of both resistances lategame, that's why trundle is the biggest rammus counter, i main rammus and play a lot of trundle so i know how these interactions work
I think they suffer because of their own strengths. Because of their own versatility, if they get fed they can pretty much take on almost anyone. But if they aren't, they just feel useless because they can't deal enough dmg or sustain enough. And thus can be kited to oblivion or out damaged, ending up being vulnerable to everyone too. They either keep falling short or doing enough to handle so much stuff thrown at them.
Thats the thing, bruisers are coinflip bc u can either solocarry or be useless, while tanks cant really carry on their own but can still go 0 10 and be usefull with all the utility they have
@@pasterqb that comment is worth tons of gold. It pisses me off when Im on my high win rate fighters (65% - 85% WR depending if its WuKong, Morde, Camille or Riven) and junglers refuse to gank my lane (I just need one gank to blow the enemies flash, it doesnt even need to be a kill and I can takover my lane), but when I play one of my around 50% WR tanks ganking for me is a viable option xD And they have no clue why top laners hate junglers.
I'll die on that hill right with Hashshinshin, he might have some wacky takes sometimes, but 9/10 the dude really just be pointing out riot's fuck-shit...
I know I have been saying this a lot of times before but you really pick great music for your videos like today’s Mor Ardain music from Xenoblade Chronicles 2 especially since Morag is a tanky dodge unit in the game.
I love how you always include Taliyah when talking about mages. I main her and it’s nice to see her in these videos because shes always forgotten about. Thank you, :)
I have played league for about a decade, a lot of what I have learned is just...known? felt? I haven't ever had to explain anything to anyone, so I have never attempted to put it into words. Bruisers operate by a series of rules, and they change depending on the champ. If they can force you to play by their rules, you will lose. You will lose pathetically. But the moment you operate outside of the bruiser's rules, they have no other options, no other tools. Stridebreaker has changed alot about that, but the dash is being removed. In teamfights you are trying to get all 5 enemies to line upin your set of rules,and if they magically do, you get a youtube highlight. But when they don't, you end up uselessly dying without getting anything done.
08:10 this is the sort of frustration and distaste I have for the vast majority of the newer modern champions like *_Yone / Viego / Senna / Samira_* - many of these newer champions really feel like *_they get to play by different rules and break them when compared to everyone else_* by having some of the most *_hilariously ridiculous combination of abilities and effects in their kit all at once_* - they have so many tools in their kits to accomplish whatever they please and solve every problem they could face, it feels like these champions have *dozens of different outplays hard-baked ready into their kits* and you barely have to work to achieve them - and no matter what you do or how you do it, you always look good and overpowered while doing it
Counter Yone: Grevious wounds and positioning. Counter Viego: Positioning and team coordination Counter Senna: Just win faster, stop dragging on games and focus objectives. Counter Samira: Just CC her when she comes in. Literally just treat her like a Katarina or Diana. Dealing with them just requires you to upgrade your understanding of the game. It's no different to how Garden and Master Yi stomp low elo. But I will say that Viego is the one that is very skill matchup, if you're worse then the Viego player then you will lose.
The accuracy of this video is really good, including the fact that he took on both perspectives and how fighters can or can not be broken, and how to all depends on team comp and the fact on how they can get countered really hard shows that it doesn’t matter who thinks what is broken it just depends if your team and your team comp is good
If the other class videos will also be this in-depth, and maybe even somewhat educative as to what should you do on defferent types of classes i'm down to watching them all.
Great video :D You asked for some feedback earlier, so here is the only thing I have to comment: - You talked about the classes and subclasses with a list, which was great. Later on you went a bit more in depth in the fighter subclasses, but without a small list or so. It might be an idea when describing them in more detail to show them on screen, maybe with some pro's and con's. That's it. That's all I can critique this video! Music was engaging without being distracted or loud, which is probably an underappreciated thing. So GJ :D
Wow, great video! I'm always super interested in the class-descriptions and reasonings in the 'why no-one plays series. Brings a ton of insight into those champs and the game as a whole. This is such a great idea and I can't wait for each entry! Thank you!
Absolutely love this type of content. Agree on every aspect of this video, there's barely anything missing and its fun to hear people explain facts in such an easy to understand way. Also, you explain everything in such a nice calm voice it can even be called an informational asmr video :D Looking forward for you to cover other classes as well :D
Really cool series! I feel like it could benefit from talking about subclasses a lot more in depth or maybe just goin from subclass to subclass because divers and juggernauts for example have very different play styles as well as strengths and weaknesses. A couple videos at the end talking about how all of the classes interact more in depth would be cool too!
I've been playing this game for about a year now and I never understood the classes besides like mage and enchanter bc i mainly play them so cant wait for the other videos ^^
Great video! I'm juggernaut main and I think the class is fairly fine though definitely not a solo carry; I really need an engage tank duo with heavy CC to win fights in this high mobility high damage meta! The problem with the class is that it is force bound to the nightmare that is Top lane which is imo the worst lane by far with the least impact or fun. I wish I could play juggernauts in another lane. Hopefully, you do a video on each lane as well as I think it's even more important than class.
Wonder what you'll do for specialist, also the wiki page on specialist hasn't being updated in YEARS. Some Champions can't even be called specialist anymore, for example, now that Lilia has a similar Playstyle to Singed and S11 udyr, they deserve a class of their own, runner, the only class to maintain a high movespeed while in combat.
BRUISER MAINS RISE UP!, Seriously though I feel like bruisers could be a dying archetype, just because the game is leaning towards faster and faster fights. Causing bruisers effectiveness in drawn out fights to not be as useful. I think the only bruisers we shall get from now on are the gwens and irelias, so no more trundle or kled.
@@kingofgrunder5494 Renekton is not doing so hot and Sett is good right now but if you want true damage, get an adc who builds Kraken slayer or just get Vayne. The only one that's surviving in this meta is Darius because he's Darius.
I mean sett did come out recently, I just think they have been favoring other archetypes, mainly assassins, and that we are probably not going to get big bruisers like we used to get. The best we shall get is like a sett every 3 years, and a Gwen every one. Which is fine but since bruisers beat assassins, I have a feeling riot won’t let them get good, because assassins are more entertaining to watch.
For the most part my biggest issue with fighters are divers. Even as a lulu, whose entire kit is designed around countering dive champions, it’s still frustratingly difficult to get the Camille or Jax off your ADC. Divers tend to be so sticky that an ADC can spend flash to dodge the initial dive and champions like jax can just press Q again 3-4 seconds later.
Hey Vars! Think this series is very interesting and I would love for you to continue it. As for constructive feedback, I would say that maybe you could split the video into what you think makes them the strongest and weakest and make it a bit more clear when you go from one to the other (for example, you could put up some of the text you like to use in your other videos)
the best class at the beginning and easiest to start snowballing with in lane, but the one that becomes the most irrelevant when behind. even adcs when behind can still try to kite and deal dps. and assassins can still try to get just enough damage to oneshot. a fighter behind is just going to die after hopefully unloading his combo for maybe a quarter of the tank's health because the itemization. the best thing that fighters do is counter assassins. easy cc, just enough tankiness and sustain to survive single burst, and enough burst of their own to rip open a squishy assassin. best time to pick a fighter is to counter an assassin pick, especially in mid lane. they suck vs tanks, but they thrive in the squishy matchups mid.
Looking forward to seeing more videos in this series! At times I feel like you're talking a bit fast, and it can be hard to keep up, but in general I think the concept for this video series is great!
I can't think of much constructive feedback to give other than clarifying what the game is on 5:50 and maybe putting the music you used in the description. The video was great and I'm excited for the rest of the classes!
if you want to make a video describing the advantages and disadvantages of each subclass and what they're good at, clarifying speacilaties would be fun to watch
I can relate to the whole "I just ate 5 ultimates, 15 seconds of cc and 4 summoners as well as a full rotation of their burst-mage, why the fuck are you not going in?!"
Great video Vars as always! It is a great video concept, so will you explore the 6 others? Can't wait for the great work you'll show us when the time for mages come
This was a very nuanced and objectively good take. I don't always agree with your videos' and what you have to say but, this video was practically perfect in explaining why this class of champion is so polarizing.
Yesss, Class discussion! So many different classes in League makes designing weird, along with balancing. Between the two subclasses of Fighters, I'd argue the Divers are the stronger, since Juggernauts are often immobile and tend to struggle without a lead of some kind. Juggernauts can take forever to get rolling (*cough* nasus) but a Diver needs one kill, one item, to start wreaking havoc. Can't wait to watch the video at 9:00 tomorrow!
Divers though tend to scale poorly into late game because of their single-target action and historically aren't doing so well right now (think Irelia or Pantheon--falls off HARD). Juggernauts because they're better in teamfights I feel are better--and of course they do still excel in 1v1s or 1v2s. I feel it's hard to be completely useless on them. For example if I'm behind on Aatrox or Morde and performing badly I'll just go tank for the rest of my items and soak up a lot of damage for the team and be useful that way. Whereas if divers fuck up their single-target choice they've generally screwed over the teamfight. Both juggernauts and divers have a snowball effect IMO if they get a kill (think Darius: first blood darius means ff15), however, a fed juggernaut just scales better than a fed diver. Just my opinion though.
"Juggernauts generally lack burst damage:" Illaoi has entered the chat. Jokes aside, i love this new kind of videos and i hope to see a new episode soon.
A couple other points! Since fighters have such crazy 1v1 potential and sustain while lacking in teamfights, often they’re good as splitpushers, enhanced since most take teleport. That’s one of the more interesting ways to “carry” a game, get fed then split push and draw so much pressure that your bot and mid can ramp up themselves. Furthermore, most fighters’ power peaks in midgame, where they’re strong enough to beat down opponents and sustain in teamfights, but everyone hasn’t bought grievous yet and you don’t get insta-melted by full-built mages and ADCs. I had a game recently where I got super fed as illaoi but by late game I was getting bursted down before I could even finish the jump animation on my ult, even with shittons of health and several defensive items. That’s also why it can feel impossible to carry against a fed botlane since marksmen scale a lot harder than fighters. I’m a fighter/juggernaut main and I love being the massive 1v5 raid boss stomping through enemies, it’s such a good feeling when that comes alive
Bruisers have the highest base stats and very strong kits, meaning early game as long as they have level advantage they can casually fight 2 or more enemies. They have awful scaling though, and later on mages, assassins, marksman, even tanks end up much stronger. It is a double edged sword that forces players to push their base stat advantage while they can, hoping they can command enough of a lead and close out the game before the enemy carries out scale them, and it explains why they can feel weak and overpowered at the same time, even in the same game. A 2 item Aatrox can comfortably solo the enemy mid, jg, and bot with 1 item each. A 4-5 item Aatrox gets comfortably solo'd by a 3 item marksman/mage. The major risk of power distributed this way is if the bruiser loses early game. This is probably why top laners complain about jg more than other lanes, because their 1v1 thunder dome is so important in the first 10 minutes and strictly determines their power for the rest of the game. Bruisers, if shut down hard early on, have by far the hardest time recovering and being useful for the rest of the game, especially if their lane opponent is another bruiser.
It felt like you repeated the same stuff several times, but otherwise, the new information was good, and I love how you can always look at each argument!
really interesting view on their role in the meta. So the fighters role is to provide a strong 1st half to a teamfight, absorb cds, deal as much damage set the rest of the team up to clean up. I never viewed it that way but i think being aware of just that fact helps with your approch to dealing with them,
i wish riot made decent ap bruiser items, liandry is no longer one because it doesn't give hp anymore, riftmaker and demonic used to be great in preseason but they got gutted, no one but singed uses rylai, protobelt and harvester are ap assassin items more than anything else, especially since protobelt gives less hp and more magic pen now i mean, when the only 2 champions that use riftmaker the best, an item designed for champions like mordekaiser, swain, rumble and singed are akali and kayle, then those items need some help or they need to make other set of items, but that's just my 2 cents
I so hope Vars jumps on Predecessor band vagon. All of this knowledge will be useful to new players coming as it will transfer directly from lol to Predecessor
I enjoyed this look at the class. Seems pretty accurate with my interactions. This also led me to wonder what class Gnar is cuz I figured he was likely a diver at least in Mega Gnar form
the summary you gave around 12:30 - 12:45 is the sole reason why I found playing Yuumi on fighers so rewarding. Yuumi can give most fighters those extra bits of utility they are lacking. take Garen Yuumi for example. & bear in mind I was doing Yuumi & Garen before the pro's even started doing it. I put GLACIAL AUGMENT & the Everfrost onto Yuumi, with ingenious hunter for maximum active item cooldown reductions So we had a Garen with a ranged frosty slow and its on cooldown every 18 or so seconds. We also took Mikael's to give Garen +1 cleanse on a ≈70 second cooldown. So basically ready for every serious team fight. (+redemption) & before the item reworks it was even more disgusting, as the old Zekes convergence gave Garen an AOE SLOW that was as strong as Rylai's. Shurelyas wasn't a mythic either & to top it off, the Garen could take Knights Vow & it would give him the bonus movement speed whenever Yuumi was attached. Granted the item reworks kinda gibbed some of this build it still works a charm. We turn Garen into a tanky monster no champion could kite or burst down, no champion could outrun or chase, & nobody was able to deal with this, especially when they were so used to seeing the pro's version with a squishy Garen building lots of damage & autopilot Yuumi's just slapping a ton of AP on for funny looking heals, but when we did it, we just stuck lots of tank stats, & utility onto this juggernaut who does just enough base damage to be a threat to the ADC, & it was just a matter of running circles around them keeping the entire enemy team distracted while our 3 other team mates took objectives and won the game in the background XD & Yuumi can still give many other fighters the tools they lack. She can give Jax a buncha wards to leap around with. A load of heals & slows so a Singed can double proxy in the enemy base indefinitely, even better as Singed doesn't need to rely on Rylais & Liandries combo to do damage now he has more options. & of course plenty of movement speed for the rest of the juggernauts that are usually easily kited. my god its a wonder other players still aren't abusing these combo's to death ;-; they are still too stuck in their way of believing yuumi is just a auto pilot + get carried by other team mates kind of champ, but you can build Yuumi to create several funnel strats you'd have never imagined could exist.
There is nothing more satisfying than playing a bruiser and being amped up by Yuumi. She gives you everything you're missing while making you do so much more damage. Good Yuumi's know to attach themselves to the melee top laner rather than their ezreal because the terror of a Sett/Aatrox/Darius buffed up by the kitty cat is unfathomable.
lovely video ! can you make a video about how artillery mages like vel koz, xerath etc are becoming irrelevant ? it feels like there's so many champs that can get to them and one shot them easily. Also with the rise of solo Q mentality, no one really cares to protect them...
I think one of my favorite league moments was when an enemy Nasus was completely fed. I was playing Ahri so I thought maybe a Rylai's Crystal Scepter might help. That was an understatement since I slowed him on top of the charm and he couldn't even think about getting into q range even with his w slow. Since the rest of their team lost their only champ with tank stats we could easily take them out and we won. Just because I happened to nerf the Nasus to baron speed.
It's a great video, I would consider adding a disclaimer like we're treating about classes and so what I'm about to say is not necessarily perfectly true to every fighter.
My main problem with fighters (and I say this as someone who plays a lot of fighters) is how oppressive they are when only mildly ahead, or even from behind. A vayne that is 5/0 will definitely be a big threat on the enemy team, but she wont be able to 1v9 a game. She still needs a few teamates in front of her. Only if she is like 20 kills or more can she solo the entire enemy team. A fighter, on the other hand, feels like they can dive into the enemy team when they are 5/3 and with good CS and cause huge problems for everyone. as someone who plays a lot of GP, the number of times I have beat irelia or tryndamere in lane HARD, and then later on, im 2 and a half items and they are only 1 item, and their power spike from that ONE single item gives them such a huge spike that from then on, if I make a single mistake when fighting them, I lose. Thats not an exageration. It happens all the time. I also think how unkillable they feel is what makes them so frustrating. Few tanks have regenerative capabilities in combat. While tanks may be a bit harder to deal damage to, usually the only option a tank has to heal up is if they have a warmogs and leave combat. Most fighters, on the other hand, have a lot of healing in-combat. I despise healing. Taking someone down to low health, only for them to land ONE ability (or even an item active like goredrinker) and suddenly they get half their healthbar back? It feels unfun to fight. Because when you went into the fight, you calculated all the damage you could deal to their current healthbar. But when all that healing is taken into account, it feels like you have to do even more damage than you would to a tank. Finally, the last part that makes them so unsatisfying is a lot of them (Specifically juggernauts) basically tear through an enemy team. If they get one kill, it leads to another, and another. Largely in part due to their healing. As in, even if you yourself play PERFECTLY against them, if your team isnt doing the same, then that will still lead to your own failure. Take darius, for instance. You may stay perfectly out of his E range at all times, dodge every Q, but if one of your teamates lets him heal off hitting his Q, or gets 5 stacks of the bleed, suddenly you are just one flash-auto (If he even needs to flash) away from effectively getting killed instantly. Not because you did anything wrong. But because your team did something wrong. Or because your tank doesnt know how to position against a Sett, suddenly Sett now can ult the tank straight into you, do half your health in damage, and still have all his basic abilities ready. Or an Illaoi, who even if you stay away from her tentacles and stay out of her ult, if your team decides to fight her, they are just going to heal her more than they hurt her. THATS why they can sometimes feel so anti-team-based. Not only can they operate on their own, without their team. The entire ENEMY team has to be on the same page and perform well against them, cause even ONE person on the enemy team messing up can be the downfall.
I think that the best summary for why a bruiser can be the most broken is that they can truly 1v5 when fed. they have a lot of damage but also a lot of resistances/health. Think a fed darius that just pentas your team in mid or late game. Mages/ADCs/assassins are still very squishy even with insanely high damage (not to mention mages lack the mobility to initiate a 1v5, and assassins are bursty which can leave them fucked when the fight goes beyond the initial burst and extends into a longer trade, and adcs depending on their range either get bursted down as a long range immobile champ or lose in the middle-of-the-fight brawl like a samira or kaisa), and of course supports are supports and tanks are tanks. But bruisers with their kit have the best chance of 1v5ing which can make them great for solo carrying games. eliminate the squishy carry and then move onto the rest. but of course they have many-a-limitation as well. just my 2 cents as a bruiser and assassin main
The "damage creep" piece is so true. Power creep in terms of mobility in this game is insane, and every new champ is totally overloaded in terms of the tech/mechanics/effects they possess. There is definitely room in the 150+ champ roster for champs with every combination of tools, but newer champs always seem over-tuned and/or have too many things in their kit for no good reason.
Yeah this is a good summary. I like playing Dr Mundo Nasus and Urgot and even if I win lane hard I still struggle to help in teamfights. Dr.Mundo is to single target with not enough burst, Nasus gets hard kited and focused, and Urgot gets CCed out of his w range and killed.
The first fight against a fighter is perfectly 50/50 but that first fight establishes the rest of the game for both sides
Remember when Riot said they wanted to prevent snowballing.
Scaling has a role as well... a nasus will lose to an aatrox early... but LATE
@@asostheflowerforged8403 Snowballing is kinda essential for keeping the games as short as they are.
@@MI-nv8np I agree with that, in order to keep the time per game low it is necessary. However, unless you are the winning team it feels so bad to play against a snowballing team. It makes half your games, assuming you win half your games, you feeling bad losing to such hard snowballing. Plus it incentives super early cheese strats that allow snowballing.
@@periklisperperis6868 As a top main, this isn't really true. If Nasus and Aatrox go even in lane, then scaling will take effect, BUT if Aatrox gets an early kill over scuttle fight or something, all he has to do is freeze the wave. Now you're just going to get run down over and over as you desperately try to get in cs range. 1 mis-step and you just fed aatrox even more.
I feel like I'm either about to make Hashinshin really happy or really angry...
You are not wrong, with that feeling!
i love your vid keep doing the hard work
Can we see a video on mages next? Also fantastic work as always
Vars remember that skirmishers are fighters for the next one
you complained about the bad parts of bruisers, he will be happy, he's streaming right now so ill see if i can get him to watch it
"DPS are squishy"
*Sees Riven*
*Gets flashbacks of her never dying due to her shields, goredrinker and lifesteal*
lifesteal.... are you thinking of when rav hydra was broken as fuck for her?
@@thegreen.6986 That and her new build. Its not the most consistent but having a spammable shield along with gore drinker is nuts. Worse yet shes got cc and mobility to stall until her gore drinker comes back. Not to mention conq and triumph healing
@@freshlymemed5680 i main her, with one her build her e is only 2 second cd(shield is around 550-600), her q can have 3 second cd(if u know to cancel animation which for her q isn't that hard u get brutal dps). And she is very good trader early game due to her passive. I played so much games into nasus and she can 1v1 him if ur skilled a bit. He literally deal no dmg if u time his q with u e. I just love riven, fun champ, skilled and she penetrates enemy team.
@@Em3nt4l3R yeah, actually fun champs like darius, starting from gold elo are useless, bcz new champs/items are broken, to name a few: viego, fiora, yone. Viego somehow beats darius in 1v1, fiora with 2 items is unkillable, and yone 2 items has 100% crit, so balanced. Imagine giving that option to shaco, building 2 items for 100% crit chance, just saying, that would make him permabanned, like old kassadin. And yet, yone and yasuo are ok, still high banrate, but yeah that is in the game.
A feed Riven is literally unkillable, not that you have any side options, as you can't outrun her either.
10:19
"Sans, Nasus, Trundle..."
Ah yes, I do consider myself a Sans main.
Sans Its broken lol
Most broken french character, fiora can't compare
For a second I thought I heard wrong
The enemy is going to have a bad time.
Sans is another way of saying “aside from” or “without” :)
The amount of facts this man is spitting about what ADCs think and the accuracy of it is astounding
And he a top main
And he a top main
@@flameofmage1099 true
@@flameofmage1099 true
Bro just yesterday i was playing as xayah and was like 13/2 vs a vi who was also fed af but was full lethality and only had armor boots and still I could barely do any dmg to her whatsoever, now if that’s ok w/e fighters are not broken
The strongest while they are in the enemy team...
Talking seriously the game classifies almost every new champ as a fighter
I think that's because the game is making champs more and more self sufficient. Which I don't really like since I enjoy the teamwork aspect of the game, but oh well.
@@Justin73791 I get that in Solo Queue you can’t trust anyone and you have to put in the work, but I find the purpose of this game is to work with these strangers
@@JohnZ- That's when I have the most fun. When the entire team pulls off some kind of coordinated strategy for a clutch win.
If it's just an uber lane stomp, champ diff or 1 player smurf I get kind of bored, even if we win from it.
@@JohnZ- that's pretty hard considering I'm a support main. My job is to make sure whatever stupid plan of my team actually works, so I'm obligated to trust in them...that or completely abandon them and go with the toplaner
Edit:typo
Riot isn't "classifying" new champs as fighters, they are simply put, making more fighters. Before 2020, it was REALLY rare to get an ap bruiser, but then we got 2 in the span of 9 months (Lillia and gwen). Yone is a skirmisher soo... and sett is a bruiser.
Bruisers are balanced until they decide to ult you and only you
Mordekaiser moment
leaving a rammus with negative resistances as trundle while being nearly unkillable for 6 seconds at the same time is always satisfying
Go to brazilll
@@alejandropetit6573 40% of any amount its negative boy. flat armor reduce has been erased from spells in 10.x patch
@@againsslayer7339 if you take into account rammus w doublig his resistances and aftershock (which is pretty easy to time your ult when it happens) then after both aftershock and w wear off rammus ends up with negative resistances, so all damage he takes is basically true damage but increased, meanwhile trundle gets around 120 of both resistances lategame, that's why trundle is the biggest rammus counter, i main rammus and play a lot of trundle so i know how these interactions work
I think they suffer because of their own strengths.
Because of their own versatility, if they get fed they can pretty much take on almost anyone.
But if they aren't, they just feel useless because they can't deal enough dmg or sustain enough. And thus can be kited to oblivion or out damaged, ending up being vulnerable to everyone too.
They either keep falling short or doing enough to handle so much stuff thrown at them.
Thats the thing, bruisers are coinflip bc u can either solocarry or be useless, while tanks cant really carry on their own but can still go 0 10 and be usefull with all the utility they have
Fighters are a snowballing class get him fed early the gam is over crush them in lane they are almost useless if you play correctly
@@skelet8337 Yet junglers force their fighter top laners to play weakside meaning they're useless more often than not unless they 1v2.
@@pasterqb that comment is worth tons of gold. It pisses me off when Im on my high win rate fighters (65% - 85% WR depending if its WuKong, Morde, Camille or Riven) and junglers refuse to gank my lane (I just need one gank to blow the enemies flash, it doesnt even need to be a kill and I can takover my lane), but when I play one of my around 50% WR tanks ganking for me is a viable option xD And they have no clue why top laners hate junglers.
That can be said for every role...
I'll die on that hill right with Hashshinshin, he might have some wacky takes sometimes, but 9/10 the dude really just be pointing out riot's fuck-shit...
You gotta give it to the guy, he might be biased some times, but he's rants are mostly on point
After this one, could we talk about Artillery Mages or Wardens? They need some love, since their's so few of them...
Battlemages too please
What are Wardens again?
@@sspectre8217 Champions like Thresh and Shen with some way to save their teammates but they are tanks.
@@sspectre8217 Champions that are made to fully protect others, i.e Braum and Taric
@@sspectre8217 tanks that are focused on defending their ADC/teammates instead of initiating fights.
Bruisers: "I CAN TAKE FOUR ORCS!"
Mages: " I can take four orcs uwu"
AhriX4Orcs when?
@@boyin4742 Check R34 ;)
Wizards: i cast fireball
@@DronesOverTheMoon Early game: Flaming baseball.
Late game: A missile
Ziggs late game: A literal Nuke
Bruisers are the enbodiment of "Win lane Loose game"
Am aatrox main can confirm
Not really tanks is more in that role bcs even if you are fed if you have no team to do the damage you arent wining
Can almost confirm, last game I won lane in a 2v1 and almost lost because of fed enemy mid
Can confirm, i was 7/1 on jg but my bot and supp were 0/4 and a 0/6yas mid. Top was doing decent at 3/1/3 but thats bcs i ganked a lot there.
Just to clarify, after that, we lost.
The virgin "defined role" ADC versus the chad "does everything but still sucks" bruiser
ADC's will still find a something to complain about even if they are running around 3 shotting people level 1-18
@@viklifts-zk8bl True
@Random Username fax
@Random Username I love Skarner specifically because he can hook Yone mains even if they're in their ghost form thing.
I used to play bruiser, but juggernauts are just so much better. Especially sett. I literally nowadays sett
They definitely can feel unfair to fight that’s for sure, Can’t wait
Ba dis donc xD
@@xene6304 hehe, tu sais que les gros mages et les gros bruisers ne font pas bon ménage ;p
La bise bien sûr
Man please do continue these series. I've learnt a lot about League subclasses only from your videos, I'm so excited to know about the rest
I know I have been saying this a lot of times before but you really pick great music for your videos like today’s Mor Ardain music from Xenoblade Chronicles 2 especially since Morag is a tanky dodge unit in the game.
Wanted to comment the same, love xenoblade
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TELLING THE NAME
@@danello2367 No problem.
Same tbh, im an darius otp, and sometimes i feel hella op, but then other times I feel utterly useless against botlane cc and dmg even if i won lane
does darius even lose lane
@@arezora he does frequently
@@arezora never lost lane against Darius, the bitch has to bring ghost to not be useless LMAO
@@shodore Why are you hurting me in this way :( But yea...Darius without Ghost is pretty shit.
I love how you always include Taliyah when talking about mages. I main her and it’s nice to see her in these videos because shes always forgotten about. Thank you, :)
I have played league for about a decade, a lot of what I have learned is just...known? felt? I haven't ever had to explain anything to anyone, so I have never attempted to put it into words.
Bruisers operate by a series of rules, and they change depending on the champ. If they can force you to play by their rules, you will lose. You will lose pathetically. But the moment you operate outside of the bruiser's rules, they have no other options, no other tools. Stridebreaker has changed alot about that, but the dash is being removed. In teamfights you are trying to get all 5 enemies to line upin your set of rules,and if they magically do, you get a youtube highlight. But when they don't, you end up uselessly dying without getting anything done.
Sion: Big CHONK :D
Renekton with ult: YOU AIN’T THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN BIG CHONK >:(
Literally everyone else: O-O
Sorry Crock but Train Always its the big chonk
What about Nasus big chonk
@@ender_void2753 volibear and Aatrox too.
FUCK YOU!!!!
Cho gath but I am the only one gigantic chonk >:)
08:10 this is the sort of frustration and distaste I have for the vast majority of the newer modern champions like *_Yone / Viego / Senna / Samira_* - many of these newer champions really feel like *_they get to play by different rules and break them when compared to everyone else_* by having some of the most *_hilariously ridiculous combination of abilities and effects in their kit all at once_* - they have so many tools in their kits to accomplish whatever they please and solve every problem they could face, it feels like these champions have *dozens of different outplays hard-baked ready into their kits* and you barely have to work to achieve them - and no matter what you do or how you do it, you always look good and overpowered while doing it
Counter Yone: Grevious wounds and positioning.
Counter Viego: Positioning and team coordination
Counter Senna: Just win faster, stop dragging on games and focus objectives.
Counter Samira: Just CC her when she comes in. Literally just treat her like a Katarina or Diana.
Dealing with them just requires you to upgrade your understanding of the game. It's no different to how Garden and Master Yi stomp low elo. But I will say that Viego is the one that is very skill matchup, if you're worse then the Viego player then you will lose.
The accuracy of this video is really good, including the fact that he took on both perspectives and how fighters can or can not be broken, and how to all depends on team comp and the fact on how they can get countered really hard shows that it doesn’t matter who thinks what is broken it just depends if your team and your team comp is good
If the other class videos will also be this in-depth, and maybe even somewhat educative as to what should you do on defferent types of classes i'm down to watching them all.
You could alocate the class in a Tier List by the end of the video, so when you finish the series we'll have a "complete class tier list"
It might make more sense to arrange the classes in a rock-paper-scissors arrangement, because every class is stronger or weaker to other classes.
your voice is so calm and smooth that hearing you cuss is kinda wierd
Great video :D
You asked for some feedback earlier, so here is the only thing I have to comment:
- You talked about the classes and subclasses with a list, which was great. Later on you went a bit more in depth in the fighter subclasses, but without a small list or so. It might be an idea when describing them in more detail to show them on screen, maybe with some pro's and con's.
That's it. That's all I can critique this video! Music was engaging without being distracted or loud, which is probably an underappreciated thing. So GJ :D
Good call! I'll be sure to catch that for the next one :3
Wow, great video! I'm always super interested in the class-descriptions and reasonings in the 'why no-one plays series. Brings a ton of insight into those champs and the game as a whole. This is such a great idea and I can't wait for each entry! Thank you!
Absolutely love this type of content. Agree on every aspect of this video, there's barely anything missing and its fun to hear people explain facts in such an easy to understand way. Also, you explain everything in such a nice calm voice it can even be called an informational asmr video :D
Looking forward for you to cover other classes as well :D
Really cool series! I feel like it could benefit from talking about subclasses a lot more in depth or maybe just goin from subclass to subclass because divers and juggernauts for example have very different play styles as well as strengths and weaknesses. A couple videos at the end talking about how all of the classes interact more in depth would be cool too!
I've been playing this game for about a year now and I never understood the classes besides like mage and enchanter bc i mainly play them so cant wait for the other videos ^^
These types of videos really make me understand the game better. Ty and keep up the good work, i love your content.
9/10 and excellent video discussed from multiple sides which started with a question and ended with a satisfying resolution
Great video! I'm juggernaut main and I think the class is fairly fine though definitely not a solo carry; I really need an engage tank duo with heavy CC to win fights in this high mobility high damage meta! The problem with the class is that it is force bound to the nightmare that is Top lane which is imo the worst lane by far with the least impact or fun. I wish I could play juggernauts in another lane. Hopefully, you do a video on each lane as well as I think it's even more important than class.
Wonder what you'll do for specialist, also the wiki page on specialist hasn't being updated in YEARS.
Some Champions can't even be called specialist anymore, for example, now that Lilia has a similar Playstyle to Singed and S11 udyr, they deserve a class of their own, runner, the only class to maintain a high movespeed while in combat.
BRUISER MAINS RISE UP!, Seriously though I feel like bruisers could be a dying archetype, just because the game is leaning towards faster and faster fights. Causing bruisers effectiveness in drawn out fights to not be as useful. I think the only bruisers we shall get from now on are the gwens and irelias, so no more trundle or kled.
Can’t wait for the video though to see if you agree or disagree
I mean, Sett came out very recently. And Darius and Renekton are incredibly strong. I'm not sure why you'd think we wouldn't get more bruisers.
@@kingofgrunder5494 Renekton is not doing so hot and Sett is good right now but if you want true damage, get an adc who builds Kraken slayer or just get Vayne. The only one that's surviving in this meta is Darius because he's Darius.
I mean sett did come out recently, I just think they have been favoring other archetypes, mainly assassins, and that we are probably not going to get big bruisers like we used to get. The best we shall get is like a sett every 3 years, and a Gwen every one. Which is fine but since bruisers beat assassins, I have a feeling riot won’t let them get good, because assassins are more entertaining to watch.
@@kingpengu5027 Well, you say that, but the only assassin that's consistently been viable in pro play is just Leblanc. No one else.
For the most part my biggest issue with fighters are divers. Even as a lulu, whose entire kit is designed around countering dive champions, it’s still frustratingly difficult to get the Camille or Jax off your ADC. Divers tend to be so sticky that an ADC can spend flash to dodge the initial dive and champions like jax can just press Q again 3-4 seconds later.
this one gonna be a banger
Hey Vars! Think this series is very interesting and I would love for you to continue it. As for constructive feedback, I would say that maybe you could split the video into what you think makes them the strongest and weakest and make it a bit more clear when you go from one to the other (for example, you could put up some of the text you like to use in your other videos)
I loved this video and I'd love to see more class based discussion videos in this style
the best class at the beginning and easiest to start snowballing with in lane, but the one that becomes the most irrelevant when behind. even adcs when behind can still try to kite and deal dps. and assassins can still try to get just enough damage to oneshot. a fighter behind is just going to die after hopefully unloading his combo for maybe a quarter of the tank's health because the itemization.
the best thing that fighters do is counter assassins. easy cc, just enough tankiness and sustain to survive single burst, and enough burst of their own to rip open a squishy assassin. best time to pick a fighter is to counter an assassin pick, especially in mid lane. they suck vs tanks, but they thrive in the squishy matchups mid.
I'm very excited by this series and I look forward to your discussion of Battlemages. It's my fav subclass
Looking forward to seeing more videos in this series! At times I feel like you're talking a bit fast, and it can be hard to keep up, but in general I think the concept for this video series is great!
Sorry about that! Consider turning on auto subtitles! They're pretty accurate :)
I can't think of much constructive feedback to give other than clarifying what the game is on 5:50 and maybe putting the music you used in the description. The video was great and I'm excited for the rest of the classes!
Great content!
I like the idea of discussion all the problems and the pluses all the classes have.
Glad you enjoyed it! Check out my other class episodes :3
This is a good video. Me being a fighter main this was very accurate. I can not wait for the next one.
This vidwo was very enjoyable and gave some good insight to the fighter debate,i would recomend making a video on skirmishers and on infinite stacking
if you want to make a video describing the advantages and disadvantages of each subclass and what they're good at, clarifying speacilaties would be fun to watch
I like this video a lot, you should go more into the pros and cons of each class
This a good video want to see the full series of this, great job continue like this
Please continue with this series. Even though I don't play league anymore, learning about these topics is still fun as a gamer.
Always great to hear what you have to say on topics like this!
I can relate to the whole "I just ate 5 ultimates, 15 seconds of cc and 4 summoners as well as a full rotation of their burst-mage, why the fuck are you not going in?!"
Great video Vars as always! It is a great video concept, so will you explore the 6 others? Can't wait for the great work you'll show us when the time for mages come
Assassins next would be awesome. Great video helpful to hear the different class arch types broken down this way
Great video! Excited for the rest of the series :)
This was a very nuanced and objectively good take. I don't always agree with your videos' and what you have to say but, this video was practically perfect in explaining why this class of champion is so polarizing.
Yesss, Class discussion! So many different classes in League makes designing weird, along with balancing. Between the two subclasses of Fighters, I'd argue the Divers are the stronger, since Juggernauts are often immobile and tend to struggle without a lead of some kind. Juggernauts can take forever to get rolling (*cough* nasus) but a Diver needs one kill, one item, to start wreaking havoc. Can't wait to watch the video at 9:00 tomorrow!
Divers though tend to scale poorly into late game because of their single-target action and historically aren't doing so well right now (think Irelia or Pantheon--falls off HARD). Juggernauts because they're better in teamfights I feel are better--and of course they do still excel in 1v1s or 1v2s. I feel it's hard to be completely useless on them. For example if I'm behind on Aatrox or Morde and performing badly I'll just go tank for the rest of my items and soak up a lot of damage for the team and be useful that way. Whereas if divers fuck up their single-target choice they've generally screwed over the teamfight. Both juggernauts and divers have a snowball effect IMO if they get a kill (think Darius: first blood darius means ff15), however, a fed juggernaut just scales better than a fed diver. Just my opinion though.
@@justahugenerd1278 a reasonable opinion
@@justahugenerd1278 nah its not an opinion, its a fact.
I had no complaints I thought it was great as always and I look forward to future ones (:
"tanks counter mages" void staff wants to know your location
Liandries with the 12% max ho difference damage multiplier
@Hypu Mobile Mobas have better MR items lol
@@AlexanderDietstein Yeah because we all know every mage can build a liandrys and demonic embrance
@@antistraightmenThey can, I just wouldn't recommend it.
@@xxscrublordxxx5652 so they can’t because it’s not optimal
"Juggernauts generally lack burst damage:" Illaoi has entered the chat.
Jokes aside, i love this new kind of videos and i hope to see a new episode soon.
Video on Marksman? I’m sure everybody already has their own thoughts, but would love to hear yours
there should be a separate fighter class called "darius" with subclasses called "good" and "idk what im doing"
Man woke up and chose informative facts
Great work man
Your LoL videos usually have great music choices but today it's are even better with Mor Ardain's "Roaming the wastes" from Xenoblade Chronicles 2!
A couple other points!
Since fighters have such crazy 1v1 potential and sustain while lacking in teamfights, often they’re good as splitpushers, enhanced since most take teleport. That’s one of the more interesting ways to “carry” a game, get fed then split push and draw so much pressure that your bot and mid can ramp up themselves.
Furthermore, most fighters’ power peaks in midgame, where they’re strong enough to beat down opponents and sustain in teamfights, but everyone hasn’t bought grievous yet and you don’t get insta-melted by full-built mages and ADCs. I had a game recently where I got super fed as illaoi but by late game I was getting bursted down before I could even finish the jump animation on my ult, even with shittons of health and several defensive items. That’s also why it can feel impossible to carry against a fed botlane since marksmen scale a lot harder than fighters.
I’m a fighter/juggernaut main and I love being the massive 1v5 raid boss stomping through enemies, it’s such a good feeling when that comes alive
I think it's a great idea to also point some overlaps in those classes for future videos.
Bruisers have the highest base stats and very strong kits, meaning early game as long as they have level advantage they can casually fight 2 or more enemies. They have awful scaling though, and later on mages, assassins, marksman, even tanks end up much stronger. It is a double edged sword that forces players to push their base stat advantage while they can, hoping they can command enough of a lead and close out the game before the enemy carries out scale them, and it explains why they can feel weak and overpowered at the same time, even in the same game. A 2 item Aatrox can comfortably solo the enemy mid, jg, and bot with 1 item each. A 4-5 item Aatrox gets comfortably solo'd by a 3 item marksman/mage.
The major risk of power distributed this way is if the bruiser loses early game. This is probably why top laners complain about jg more than other lanes, because their 1v1 thunder dome is so important in the first 10 minutes and strictly determines their power for the rest of the game. Bruisers, if shut down hard early on, have by far the hardest time recovering and being useful for the rest of the game, especially if their lane opponent is another bruiser.
1:47 sees Taliyah
"This one sparks joy."
OOOOO I really want more videos about classes!!!
It felt like you repeated the same stuff several times, but otherwise, the new information was good, and I love how you can always look at each argument!
This was great. I love Fighters. Yorick is my favorite champion in the game.
The way you talk sounds like ur a bot
@@jakesanbuenaventura52 LOL I think I was just trying to comment for the algorithm in the middle of being in a hurry
@@J-DawgTBH ohhh ok (idk what to write/say XD)
Mor Ardain background music?! Bless your soul my friend
Amazing and very on point analysis
I love this series, great video. I'd like to see tanks for the next one.
Very insightful
amazing 🤩🤩🤩 can't wait for the other classification ... please keep it up 👍👍👍
really interesting view on their role in the meta. So the fighters role is to provide a strong 1st half to a teamfight, absorb cds, deal as much damage set the rest of the team up to clean up. I never viewed it that way but i think being aware of just that fact helps with your approch to dealing with them,
Love this video... totally want the tanks next as I am a tank main myself
i wish riot made decent ap bruiser items, liandry is no longer one because it doesn't give hp anymore, riftmaker and demonic used to be great in preseason but they got gutted, no one but singed uses rylai, protobelt and harvester are ap assassin items more than anything else, especially since protobelt gives less hp and more magic pen now
i mean, when the only 2 champions that use riftmaker the best, an item designed for champions like mordekaiser, swain, rumble and singed are akali and kayle, then those items need some help or they need to make other set of items, but that's just my 2 cents
I so hope Vars jumps on Predecessor band vagon. All of this knowledge will be useful to new players coming as it will transfer directly from lol to Predecessor
The Maple Story one hit so hard.
Also Chaos Pink Bean, our Bishop end up killing all of us because the boss zombie all of us but our Bishop lol XD
hearing XC2 music in the background gives me so much joy
I enjoyed this look at the class. Seems pretty accurate with my interactions. This also led me to wonder what class Gnar is cuz I figured he was likely a diver at least in Mega Gnar form
I think he's placed in the specialist group, like Nidalee
@@miticnegi that would make sense
the summary you gave around 12:30 - 12:45 is the sole reason why I found playing Yuumi on fighers so rewarding.
Yuumi can give most fighters those extra bits of utility they are lacking.
take Garen Yuumi for example. & bear in mind I was doing Yuumi & Garen before the pro's even started doing it.
I put GLACIAL AUGMENT & the Everfrost onto Yuumi, with ingenious hunter for maximum active item cooldown reductions
So we had a Garen with a ranged frosty slow and its on cooldown every 18 or so seconds.
We also took Mikael's to give Garen +1 cleanse on a ≈70 second cooldown. So basically ready for every serious team fight. (+redemption)
& before the item reworks it was even more disgusting, as the old Zekes convergence gave Garen an AOE SLOW that was as strong as Rylai's.
Shurelyas wasn't a mythic either & to top it off, the Garen could take Knights Vow & it would give him the bonus movement speed whenever Yuumi was attached.
Granted the item reworks kinda gibbed some of this build it still works a charm.
We turn Garen into a tanky monster no champion could kite or burst down, no champion could outrun or chase, & nobody was able to deal with this, especially when they were so used to seeing the pro's version with a squishy Garen building lots of damage & autopilot Yuumi's just slapping a ton of AP on for funny looking heals, but when we did it, we just stuck lots of tank stats, & utility onto this juggernaut who does just enough base damage to be a threat to the ADC, & it was just a matter of running circles around them keeping the entire enemy team distracted while our 3 other team mates took objectives and won the game in the background XD
& Yuumi can still give many other fighters the tools they lack. She can give Jax a buncha wards to leap around with.
A load of heals & slows so a Singed can double proxy in the enemy base indefinitely, even better as Singed doesn't need to rely on Rylais & Liandries combo to do damage now he has more options.
& of course plenty of movement speed for the rest of the juggernauts that are usually easily kited.
my god its a wonder other players still aren't abusing these combo's to death ;-; they are still too stuck in their way of believing yuumi is just a auto pilot + get carried by other team mates kind of champ, but you can build Yuumi to create several funnel strats you'd have never imagined could exist.
There is nothing more satisfying than playing a bruiser and being amped up by Yuumi. She gives you everything you're missing while making you do so much more damage. Good Yuumi's know to attach themselves to the melee top laner rather than their ezreal because the terror of a Sett/Aatrox/Darius buffed up by the kitty cat is unfathomable.
lovely video ! can you make a video about how artillery mages like vel koz, xerath etc are becoming irrelevant ? it feels like there's so many champs that can get to them and one shot them easily. Also with the rise of solo Q mentality, no one really cares to protect them...
As a pantheon main I can confirm that either you walk in and kick ass or you walk in and get blown up.
That rengar skin at 8:58 is very sci-fi and badass 👌 never knew about that skin!
It's in the same skin line as the one released when Kha'zix got release
@@hainguyn948 I seen the mecha kha'zix but not the rengar still tho looks slick
This would make a great series, eh?
I'd love to hear your take on Mages as Malz, Veigar and Heimerdinger are my main 3 champs.
I rly hate malz and heimer to play against either they counter u hard or they are useless
I think one of my favorite league moments was when an enemy Nasus was completely fed. I was playing Ahri so I thought maybe a Rylai's Crystal Scepter might help. That was an understatement since I slowed him on top of the charm and he couldn't even think about getting into q range even with his w slow. Since the rest of their team lost their only champ with tank stats we could easily take them out and we won. Just because I happened to nerf the Nasus to baron speed.
It's a great video, I would consider adding a disclaimer like we're treating about classes and so what I'm about to say is not necessarily perfectly true to every fighter.
Would love to have more of this of the other classes
That renekton footage was awsome
Great video!! make more about the other classes!!
My main problem with fighters (and I say this as someone who plays a lot of fighters) is how oppressive they are when only mildly ahead, or even from behind. A vayne that is 5/0 will definitely be a big threat on the enemy team, but she wont be able to 1v9 a game. She still needs a few teamates in front of her. Only if she is like 20 kills or more can she solo the entire enemy team. A fighter, on the other hand, feels like they can dive into the enemy team when they are 5/3 and with good CS and cause huge problems for everyone. as someone who plays a lot of GP, the number of times I have beat irelia or tryndamere in lane HARD, and then later on, im 2 and a half items and they are only 1 item, and their power spike from that ONE single item gives them such a huge spike that from then on, if I make a single mistake when fighting them, I lose. Thats not an exageration. It happens all the time.
I also think how unkillable they feel is what makes them so frustrating. Few tanks have regenerative capabilities in combat. While tanks may be a bit harder to deal damage to, usually the only option a tank has to heal up is if they have a warmogs and leave combat. Most fighters, on the other hand, have a lot of healing in-combat. I despise healing. Taking someone down to low health, only for them to land ONE ability (or even an item active like goredrinker) and suddenly they get half their healthbar back? It feels unfun to fight. Because when you went into the fight, you calculated all the damage you could deal to their current healthbar. But when all that healing is taken into account, it feels like you have to do even more damage than you would to a tank.
Finally, the last part that makes them so unsatisfying is a lot of them (Specifically juggernauts) basically tear through an enemy team. If they get one kill, it leads to another, and another. Largely in part due to their healing. As in, even if you yourself play PERFECTLY against them, if your team isnt doing the same, then that will still lead to your own failure. Take darius, for instance. You may stay perfectly out of his E range at all times, dodge every Q, but if one of your teamates lets him heal off hitting his Q, or gets 5 stacks of the bleed, suddenly you are just one flash-auto (If he even needs to flash) away from effectively getting killed instantly. Not because you did anything wrong. But because your team did something wrong. Or because your tank doesnt know how to position against a Sett, suddenly Sett now can ult the tank straight into you, do half your health in damage, and still have all his basic abilities ready. Or an Illaoi, who even if you stay away from her tentacles and stay out of her ult, if your team decides to fight her, they are just going to heal her more than they hurt her. THATS why they can sometimes feel so anti-team-based. Not only can they operate on their own, without their team. The entire ENEMY team has to be on the same page and perform well against them, cause even ONE person on the enemy team messing up can be the downfall.
I think that the best summary for why a bruiser can be the most broken is that they can truly 1v5 when fed.
they have a lot of damage but also a lot of resistances/health. Think a fed darius that just pentas your team in mid or late game. Mages/ADCs/assassins are still very squishy even with insanely high damage (not to mention mages lack the mobility to initiate a 1v5, and assassins are bursty which can leave them fucked when the fight goes beyond the initial burst and extends into a longer trade, and adcs depending on their range either get bursted down as a long range immobile champ or lose in the middle-of-the-fight brawl like a samira or kaisa), and of course supports are supports and tanks are tanks. But bruisers with their kit have the best chance of 1v5ing which can make them great for solo carrying games. eliminate the squishy carry and then move onto the rest. but of course they have many-a-limitation as well. just my 2 cents as a bruiser and assassin main
Do one on Artillery mages. As an ADC I hate them more than assassins. Killing me without being on my screen with 2 spells or sometimes just 1.
I don't know whether I watch for content or his voice, both are amazing!
The "damage creep" piece is so true. Power creep in terms of mobility in this game is insane, and every new champ is totally overloaded in terms of the tech/mechanics/effects they possess. There is definitely room in the 150+ champ roster for champs with every combination of tools, but newer champs always seem over-tuned and/or have too many things in their kit for no good reason.
Well said, could you do skirmishers next? There were a ton of reworks and changes to that class, so people probably don't even know what they're for
Yeah this is a good summary. I like playing Dr Mundo Nasus and Urgot and even if I win lane hard I still struggle to help in teamfights. Dr.Mundo is to single target with not enough burst, Nasus gets hard kited and focused, and Urgot gets CCed out of his w range and killed.