I... have... no... words... I have spent the last year with my jarvjallet complaining about the lack of recline, I didn't realise all you had to do was push in the lever. My entire life has been a lie, thank you david
Dude, you've never sat on a swivel chair that costs as much as the Markus and is completely made of hard foam... It will destroy your ass in less than 4 days.
@@gabem.5242 I work at Ikea and I've occasionally sat down on the Markus chair and it didn't actuslly feel uncomfortable. But I'd rather sit on my shitty wooden chair than shell out the money
@@acidset actually not bad at all, though my chair is still shitty and now torn to fuck by my kitten I've still yet to replace it. It's surprisingly okay, but I'm not gonna be spending a huge amount for the ikea chairs anytime soon
The best way to determine which one you like best is to try them in store. For me, I found the hattefjall most comfortable and ended up buying it. The adjustable seat and the height adjustable back is what makes this perfect for me. The harder seat cushion feels like it provides me more support yet is not uncomfortable. The auto-adjustable design sets the right amount of resistance (for me). Also, it looks and feels the most well made.
The Markus has been back in stock last Saturday and now out of stock again at my local Ikea store. When I loaded the package onto the cart, someone passing by yelled "Markus!". That tells you something.
I can attest that the IKEA warranty on these is top notch. After 5 solid years of use my Markus seat cushioning was getting a little bit too flat for my liking. IKEA just replaced the entire chair without questions and gave me another 10 year warranty on the new one!
Wow, that's amazing to hear. I just bought the Markus yesterday. I haven't assembled it yet, still in box. But the warranty is good to know, especially hearing first hand experience from you.
@@hailgod1 To be honest, right now I'm considering returning it. I'm 5'11 230lbs. The chair itself is really comfortable. I really like the high back so I can lean all the way back and the headrest is comfortable. The major deal breaker is the arm rests. The height is fine, but because their mounted so far up towards the front of the chair, they push into the side of my legs when sitting. It forces you to sit with your legs in a more closed position. Personally I like sitting more with my legs spread and feet wider apart. After about a half hour sitting in the chair my legs hurt from the armrests digging in, and then I have to consciously make sure I have to sit with my legs closed. Removing the arm rests might be an option for you, but personally I use them all the time and can't take them off. Will probably return the chair and buy a 2nd hand Steelcase Leap.
I'm a Marcus user for over a year now and since the beginning I thought the armrests were a dealbreaker. I removed those within 10 minutes of assembly because they prevented me from getting close enough to my desk without having to lower the chair which I didn't want to do to stay in ergonomic working position. Everything else about the chair is great for me. Depth is just right and so is the height of the headrest and the stiffness of the back mesh. If they made adjustable armrests for it it will be perfect for me.
Is it good for sitting long hours like more than 8 hrs? Heard mesh is not good for long hours sitting as it can sag over time. Markus is head adjustable?
I had the same issue and also removed the arm rests. I've got the leather version and my ass keeps sliding off the seat, and I do miss the handles to push myself back. And after 3 years the dampner occasionally just falls down, need to contact IKEA for this. And something is squacking when I lean really far back, but I just saw that it's a simple lube fix. I've also replaced the rollers with inliner wheels, which won't mess up the wooden floor we have. The original wheels and the plastic floor mat was not nice.
I've been pretty much living on my desk and the mesh is still stiff. But if you're sitting the whole day I'd invest in a more expensive chair with better back support and other ergos.@@neo6259
Very thorough, thank you for the excellent comparison. My biggest gripe on my Markus is definitely the arm rests. I’d take them off for desk use but often use my chair exclusively from the desk while on my phone.
I spent 2 hours at my IKEA sitting in Markus and Järvjellet. And I was so disappointed.. The Järvjellet has great features, and the backrest with lumbar support and headrest are awesome fo my 186 cm. But that seat is just horrible. Its not only way to short for anyone over 180 cm, but it also is such a thin foam that you basically sit on the wood after just 5 mins. SO I got the Markus and although I don't really like the headrest, as it should better be a neckrest, but pushes your head forward uncomfortably, the seat feels great and the reclinement is pretty good for its price... I just don't get why they couldn't make the Järv a bit better cushioned and give it a tad longer seat, than it would be perfetc for so many people. Such a missed opportunity imo!
@@broodjekaas820 if you want more adjustment options you have to pay for them, easy as that being said they just need to add that to the Markus and they're golden
I've got the Järvfjället and ditched the "gaming" chair. Mine also came with adjustable armrests in package. Love the stiffer seating, the back support is excellent and overall quality is superb. I absolutely love it, my back has stopped hurting completely.
@@terrasai2857 Locally I couldnt find any Järvfjället chairs at all for a long time. Eventually leather ones popped up for sale so I went with these. Leather is pretty nice but with my experience, leather in general is much more prone to wear compared to fabric. I'd have gone for fabric if I had the option to, but even if leather does wear out, IKEA seems to be very supportive with shipping replacements.
@@cert9111 Yeah the fabric Jarvfjallet’s are always out of stock where I’m from too. It’s been especially bad because COVID completely messed up IKEA’s logistics. I’m crossing my fingers that the leather isn’t super cheap.
I've been using the Markus for almost 2 years now. It's good, but in the beginning I had to adjust to the chair, and not the other way around. Specially because I'm tall and the seat doesn't go too deep
I had bought the Markus chair yesterday, because of your suggestions. I was having back isseus with previous chairs, and this one fits awesome, Its so comfy and ergonomic.Thanks David!
Hi David... it's 2020... and I can't go to a store and sit in a chair... thank you for this video. I also cant afford $1000 bucks for a herman miller, and my couch isn't cutting it 🤷🏾♀️
Thank you so much for this video! I was on a tight budget but I needed a decent chair and after watching your video comparison, I decided to buy the IKEA Markus chair. It is an amazing chair for the price and I'm loving it!
As a small person, I could cry over how many chairs I have tried, especially gaming chairs. I just sink in. Then I tried the Hattenfjäll and fell in love immediatelly. Finally a chair in which I can sit straight and am FULLY supported. It forms around all my back to the legs and just locks me into a proper working position. Also sitting relaxing on it, is possible. (Currently sitting on it crosslegged) The adjustments are awesome. Sadly the chair nowadays costs 299€. IKEA is robbing people cause 3 years back it costed 215€.
I went trough plenty of videos and google search results, but it seems everyone trys to sell their 50 bucks chair for up to 300.. Im glad all that nonsens brought me here because this was the first video I found really honest and informational. Thanks tho :)
I just picked out a Markus completely at random, before seeing this video and after reviewing your other video about best posture while sitting. I guess I'm fortunate for being a bit of a tall person with longer arms and legs since that made it pretty much perfect for me. But yeah...I can see how it'd be an issue for smaller folks. And agreed on the foam - easily the best of any other and made me completely forget leather.
My back thanks you for this review and your channel. I just grabbed the JÄRVFJÄLLET (prefer it over the Markus) over any of the gaming chairs on the market and its an absolute dream. I cant believe how much a difference it is making to my old "racer" style chair. I dont feel tiered after sitting in it for a few hours and its just so much better for the price.
@@antoshechka Would still recommend it. I have to admit its not as good for "lounging" in watching videos but for typing and working where it encourages you to sit up, its good. I dont feel however that the chair would suit a large or heavy person.
@@simont1299 thanks for your feedback. I'm not able to compare Marcus and JÄRVFJÄLLET (there is no IKEA in my town) so i choose JÄRVFJÄLLET based on better adjustability.
Yesterday after 30 minutes of sitting and switching betwen those chairs I decided to buy the MARKUS. In my opinion it is bettter if you prefer something more comfy, like a sofa. The JÄRVFJÄLLET is better for someone who wants it for work purposes and would need more support while sitting straight.
Excellent review , i bought the Markus and initially was comfortable , but after about 2 days i started having a lower back ache , and agree on the armrests , they need to be adjustable and softer material, i added foam and wrapped them in leather , but after a week my back was getting worse due to the not adjustable lumbar, i had to give it back. if the lambar was adjustable i would have kept it because it was comfortable. i am 6'2" and about 260 .
Hi David, following your review (and a few others), I bought my Markus from Ikea 29th December 2019 and it has been used almost all day and every day and evening since. Today, 21.1.23 over three years on, I still love it, however, although everything still works as new, it has developed an annoying 'clunk' in the seat mechanism whenever I move slightly. As it is located in an upstairs bedroom used as an office, the clunk is a disturbance to anyone trying to get to sleep in the next bedroom and downstairs. I'm hoping that with my receipt and proof of purchase, I can have the seat mechanism part replaced under Ikea's 10-year guarantee. I'll let you know if they do.
@@bogdanvalentin977 Not in January when I returned it. They couldn't get it to "clunk" when they examined it so, dissappointed, and thinking that it must be fixed, I ended up brining it home again for a second chance. However it got progressively worse so I video recorded the evidence and uploaded it to their customer support chat. They were really helpful ans assured me that if I returned it again that it would certainly be exchanged. I did so on 13.4.23 and they exchanged it without hesitation. The new one is perfect and the guarantee on this one runs until 2029. I am thrilled with Ikea's customer service policy on the Markus. You can't beat it! Happy customer!
Thanks so much for this extensive review, you commented most of the main comfort points that I wanted to know about the new Jarvälfjeffjlkf... I'll be sticking with my trusty old Markus for now, until a really comfortable chair comes along. The maximum tilt angle looks the same on both, which is not enough for me; though maybe with the seat tilt on the new one it will have a better effect.
I've used the Markus for for (even though my budget was over $500) for the past 3 years. A couple of mods I've done: remove the lower back foam insert, and flipped the arm rests so they are down and out of the way. I'm 6' and I like it.
@@modestmaking5314 Yeah, I'm having a similar issue with the foam insert being a bit too intense (but it is new and maybe breaks in). If you rip the foam insert out, is it impossible to put back in?
@@Tephnos Not at all. It's a little tricky to get it out as you have to open the back of the chair, but it's possible to take it out and put it back if desired. I don't think you'll want to put it back though.
I tried the Jarvfjallet for about a month and compared to a normal office chair, the seat cushion is incredibly stiff and uncomfortable for long periods of sitting. Granted, we shouldn't be sitting as long as we are but now that we're quarantined and working from home I spend way more time sitting to be comfortable in the Jarvfjallet. I can't recommend it and I would suggest anyone looking for a comfortable chair to simply wait, save more money and buy a chair. This is one of those BIFL (buy it for life) type things and not something to really cheap out on.
@@Le.kine1 it’s even worse. The seat cushion squeaks and constantly comes loose from the base that holds it in place. I’m not the most slender guy but this thing is just not comfortable for long periods. I am already seriously looking at the Herman Miller Aeron. Yes it is a $1200+ chair but if you factor in how much time you sit at a desk and if you value your health and posture, it’s a worthwhile investment.
@@Minerva___ okey I see what you mean, for my part I was looking for ergochair 2 of autonomous, what do you think? Personally it's the middle chair ergonomic between Ikea chair and herman Miller
@@Le.kine1 I looked at autonomous as well and considered buying one but held off because i didn’t want to buy another chair I would regret. It’s a shame they don’t have their chairs in a showroom as that would be a better way to see if it fits your needs. I would just look for reviews but everyone is different so you have to take those with a grain of salt. Sorry I couldn’t be more helpful. Maybe there are RUclips videos of that chair? Also if they have a good return policy maybe just buy it and give it a test run.
@@Minerva___ since 1 week I tried to found a good chair, decide between chair games or ergonomic, and then I saw review of the autonomous, they say it's very comfort and cool, so I try to get it but I live in France so they take +60€ for the taxes and the delivery is pretty long, and I don't know if we can got a refund if I don't like it. But thanks for your help bro
My biggest problem is that every chair I try the cushion bottoms out after like an hour of use, and im relatively light. Do any of these suffer from that issue?
I’m in love with the design of the HATTEFJÄLL chair but is it worth the money? It’s a lot to spend on a chair and they have brought out a black wheeled version but it’s even more money.
I went to ikea to try out their gaming chairs ,ended up sitting in the Markus for 20 min or so. Thing is they’re removing the leather one ,according to staff. Went home saw a few Markus used online ,and immediately bought one just a few 100 m from my home for 20€. Love that chair when gaming ,I’m 193 and 96 kg and it suits me fine. I use two small pillows as neck and lumbar support
@@Gotlererer i guess a 200-300€ chair would ,but for the price ,lots of bang for the buck. One factor is looks/design as well ,pretty neutral. Imagine having a red/green ugly racing chair. I think I'll need some comfy cushion no matter chair since both neck and back is pretty banged up
Had my Markus for 5 years now (blue cloth version) I love it personally, i never use the reclining feature though as i use it primarily to sit at a computer.
I found Markus lumbar is much more comfortable and softer than JArv. But I hated how hard it is to recline. It require so much strength to push it back,then I have to lean forward to access to the lock so it basically doesn’t work. So for the Jarv I like how I can effortlessly lean back a bit but not too much while have the chair tucked in to allow my body close to the table. But I don’t feel much of the lumbar support and it’s hard I would put a think cushion inbetween. The Hat chair more comfortable than I expected, looks good only thing is missing a head support which I wanted other wise it felt quite supported to have back to back to the chair while tuck close to the table. Buuut IKEA lack of stock for god knows how long I don’t know when I’ll be able to get the Jarv chair
Sorry if you mentioned at some point but whats your approx weight? I find for me, that impacts the way I feel in a chair - I don't like to fully sit on top of a chair (too firm) or sink to the bottom of the cushion after a few minutes (too soft). Thanks for your videos!
Can you do a "Totaly how to not sit" in those chairs? I have a DXRacer that I want to replace and sometime I pull my legs in it just to change position, other times I lean back with my arms behind my neck, or I just let one leg hang over the side; and then it is a DXRacer I can flip it far back so I almost can rest in it. So how far can you push the relaxed sitting in those chairs. One reason I want to change is that the DXRacer looks like a monolith in my apartment.
For 250 euros you can e.g. buy a pro-tech 200, which is just more durable as these Ikea chairs. These are clearly built to sit on for multiple hours a day.
Having just moved out to start uni I've been using an old dining chair for the last 6 months. Horrid. Bought the hattefjall after Christmas from my home town. I had eyed it when innitially shopping for the apartment but back then it seemed expensive as hell. Thankfully the price here went down like 50€ since, so it wasn't as bad. I did try all the chairs at the store and for me it just felt the best, most of the bigger ones felt like I was drowning in them and could barely reach the headrests. Maybe I'll finally start using my new desk more often now :)
Sir, I had tried Markus chair at a local IKEA store and fell in love immediately with it (Vissle, dark grey version as I strongly dislike the faux leather). Then I watched this video many times over - even when testing the chair right on the spot for the second time :-). Please accept my thanks for doing such valuable and informative videos. As I am 189 cm tall (6ft 3in), Markus fits me perfectly and infinitely better than literally tens of chairs I tried at six specialist furniture stores within the past week (with prices ranging from 200 to 600 USD). Here in the Czech Republic, Markus is favourably priced (3490 CZK/152 USD based on today’s conversion rate) and they provide a 99 CZK/5 USD delivery up to 50 kg per single item (I do not drive). Not that I do not contemplate a Herman Miller chair but for now I am very happy.
@@botzer8817 Not in the slightest. Yes, I definitely feel it being present but find it comfortable and soothing for my lumbar back. But chairs, as many other things in life, tend to be rather subjective affair. :-)
I bought the Markus but I found after around 45 minutes of sitting in it, my underthighs would become quite painful, which I presume is due to the firmness of the foam.
The JÄRVFJÄLLET is absolutely terrible compared to the MARKUS, especially considering the MARKUS is cheaper. The construction of the base itself is piss-poor; it squeaks and cracks at any little movement after less than a month. The padding is hard as hell and you'll never get used to it. I tried for six months, with four layers of extra padding material and it was still unbearable. The seat constantly creaks when you move your ass forward/back as it slides around in its rails. The lumbar support pushes your lower back away from the mesh supporting your upper back and is thus counterintuitive because it causes all the weight of your back to end up on just your lower back. The head support, regardless of adjustment, is always in the way when you want to sit in a slightly more relaxed position while watching a movie reclined. IKEA actually stopped producing these chairs recently, after less than two years on the market. Even without seat depth, lumbar and headrest adjusment the Markus is a far superior chair. They need to iterate on that chair instead of trying to re-invent the wheel.
@@flowsy5294 Yes. It's much more comfortable. I sat in both at IKEA and found JÄRVFJÄLLET to be slightly more comfortable during a short 5 minute test, and had to buy it as it was the only one in stock. Worst decision of my life. Constant back and ass pain for 6 months. Couldn't do deadlifts at the gym anymore because my lower back was stiff as a rock. Got the Markus now. No back/neck pain, no butt pain and my lower back feels better than it has in a long, long time. Can easily fall asleep in the chair too. Far superior to the rock hard gaming chairs, for sure.
@@vidyamancer7135 hey thanks! I have a 500 dollar gaming chair that fucking sucks. Worst money ever when i could have gotten an Ikea one. Its so fucking horrible, my ass is in so much pain and my lower back. Im going to ikea this weekend and i cant wait to try out the Markus. I wish i would have done that in the first place.
@@flowsy5294 No worries dude. Yeah, I feel ya. Gone through countless cheap and expensive chairs that were no better than the Markus. It's just easily overlooked these days with all the marketing hype from DXRacer etc. Hopefully you'll like it as well, otherwise you can just return it for a refund.
As a 193cm 80Kg dude ( 6ft 3" 176lb for you Imperial folk) the IKEA Markus was the first good chair for sub 150e that i got 2 years ago and it has served me well for my PC and study needs aka sitting for more than 10 hours a day. The arm rest are useless so I took them off on day one. The cushion, back support, mesh and mechanism are all as good as they were the first day. I got a new table for my Lego hobby so i was thinking of getting something nice and comfy from Ikea again, but i will will be another Markus for sure.
@@botzer8817 124e in Serbia for the cloth upholstered version. The pleather is 158e. There are even discounts when they go for like 100e. It is still serving me well, so no complaints in the durability department and I sit for 12h a day easy with my online job.
Thank you for the video. My Jarjavvet recline became locked and I was worried it broke. Turned out it was merely locked. While the padding is more firm, I’m 6’4” and built like the dad version of a body builder (38” waist but 280 lbs) and I’ve been very happy with it.
Thanks for the review. I am torn between the MARKUS & JÄRVFJÄLLET. Have visited Ikea 2 times now to check them out. I like the MARKUS better, but since the JÄRVFJÄLLET is newer I am wondering if I should get this one. Well the next visit will be the decider I guess. Excellent review and compare thanks David.
@@Shark-x77 thanks for your feedback. I'm not able to compare Marcus and JÄRVFJÄLLET (there is no IKEA in my town) so i choose JÄRVFJÄLLET based on better adjustability.
I... have... no... words... I have spent the last year with my jarvjallet complaining about the lack of recline, I didn't realise all you had to do was push in the lever. My entire life has been a lie, thank you david
bruh
Bruh how did you not just figure that out on your own...
It's at that moment you realised... you're an idiot.
@@-The-Golden-God- lol
happens to the best of us
David Zhang: "the foam is a little too hard"
Me: (stares at my 20 year old chair that's basically a wooden frame with fabric pulled over it)
Dude, you've never sat on a swivel chair that costs as much as the Markus and is completely made of hard foam... It will destroy your ass in less than 4 days.
@@gabem.5242 I work at Ikea and I've occasionally sat down on the Markus chair and it didn't actuslly feel uncomfortable. But I'd rather sit on my shitty wooden chair than shell out the money
@@cine-ish how's your back now?
@@acidset actually not bad at all, though my chair is still shitty and now torn to fuck by my kitten I've still yet to replace it. It's surprisingly okay, but I'm not gonna be spending a huge amount for the ikea chairs anytime soon
@innn finally replaced the cursed chair with one that's completely mesh, best decision ever
I absolutely love that everythingg is on youtube.
The internet is amazing, isn't it.
yeah I searched for this chair for soooo long and now I found this video, great.
The best way to determine which one you like best is to try them in store. For me, I found the hattefjall most comfortable and ended up buying it. The adjustable seat and the height adjustable back is what makes this perfect for me. The harder seat cushion feels like it provides me more support yet is not uncomfortable. The auto-adjustable design sets the right amount of resistance (for me). Also, it looks and feels the most well made.
I also thought the hattefjall was the most comfortable, the Markus was a close second though.
Looked at this video for 1.48 min, went to the nearest IKEA and bought 2 JARVFJALLET's. Love em!
Im about to return mine and get a markus. My butt hurts when reclined for a long time because the seat does not recline along with the back
@@woutchauvaux6672 just bought it and had the same problem. Also i wish the lumbar can move up a bit, my lower back actually hurts.
@@KCCT9527 Im liking the markus so far, only the arm rests are a bit sharp when i sit cross legged but the reclining is way more comfortable
The Markus has been back in stock last Saturday and now out of stock again at my local Ikea store. When I loaded the package onto the cart, someone passing by yelled "Markus!". That tells you something.
shits been out of stock here in germany since december
you could order it online, but for 40 extra €uronens, no thanks
Stop lying who does that ?
@@ninaedwards345 people where I live I guess.
Maybe there was an actual Markus person in the store 😄
had this chair for 7 years now and i never knew what that knob under seat was for
so thaths why IKEA removed it! 😂
lol
Null 😂
@@DickHead69able Hilarious! :-)
Lol same.... got rid off mine about 6 months ago after i got 5 years out of it and upgraded to a secret lab titan... man there IS a difference
I can attest that the IKEA warranty on these is top notch. After 5 solid years of use my Markus seat cushioning was getting a little bit too flat for my liking. IKEA just replaced the entire chair without questions and gave me another 10 year warranty on the new one!
Daaaamn
Wow, that's amazing to hear. I just bought the Markus yesterday. I haven't assembled it yet, still in box. But the warranty is good to know, especially hearing first hand experience from you.
@@TRD_Mike how's it for you? what's your height?
@@hailgod1 To be honest, right now I'm considering returning it. I'm 5'11 230lbs. The chair itself is really comfortable. I really like the high back so I can lean all the way back and the headrest is comfortable. The major deal breaker is the arm rests. The height is fine, but because their mounted so far up towards the front of the chair, they push into the side of my legs when sitting. It forces you to sit with your legs in a more closed position. Personally I like sitting more with my legs spread and feet wider apart. After about a half hour sitting in the chair my legs hurt from the armrests digging in, and then I have to consciously make sure I have to sit with my legs closed. Removing the arm rests might be an option for you, but personally I use them all the time and can't take them off. Will probably return the chair and buy a 2nd hand Steelcase Leap.
I'm 184cm, the pointy bit of my skull back is about 3-4cm under the top edge of the headrest, lumbar is perfect (I'd say)@@hailgod1
I'm a Marcus user for over a year now and since the beginning I thought the armrests were a dealbreaker. I removed those within 10 minutes of assembly because they prevented me from getting close enough to my desk without having to lower the chair which I didn't want to do to stay in ergonomic working position. Everything else about the chair is great for me. Depth is just right and so is the height of the headrest and the stiffness of the back mesh. If they made adjustable armrests for it it will be perfect for me.
Is it good for sitting long hours like more than 8 hrs? Heard mesh is not good for long hours sitting as it can sag over time. Markus is head adjustable?
How tall are you?
this was the problem for me for a while but I ended up getting a taller desk, and now it fits perfectly. I never use the headrest though
I had the same issue and also removed the arm rests.
I've got the leather version and my ass keeps sliding off the seat, and I do miss the handles to push myself back.
And after 3 years the dampner occasionally just falls down, need to contact IKEA for this. And something is squacking when I lean really far back, but I just saw that it's a simple lube fix.
I've also replaced the rollers with inliner wheels, which won't mess up the wooden floor we have. The original wheels and the plastic floor mat was not nice.
I've been pretty much living on my desk and the mesh is still stiff. But if you're sitting the whole day I'd invest in a more expensive chair with better back support and other ergos.@@neo6259
Very thorough, thank you for the excellent comparison. My biggest gripe on my Markus is definitely the arm rests. I’d take them off for desk use but often use my chair exclusively from the desk while on my phone.
Yo bro, this is some next level chair review. Good job!
I spent 2 hours at my IKEA sitting in Markus and Järvjellet. And I was so disappointed.. The Järvjellet has great features, and the backrest with lumbar support and headrest are awesome fo my 186 cm. But that seat is just horrible. Its not only way to short for anyone over 180 cm, but it also is such a thin foam that you basically sit on the wood after just 5 mins. SO I got the Markus and although I don't really like the headrest, as it should better be a neckrest, but pushes your head forward uncomfortably, the seat feels great and the reclinement is pretty good for its price...
I just don't get why they couldn't make the Järv a bit better cushioned and give it a tad longer seat, than it would be perfetc for so many people. Such a missed opportunity imo!
Which chair did you get in the end
@@jayden_2954 " SO I got the Markus and although I don't really like the headrest..."
skiress123 I tried the Markus. Absolute lovely in my back
@@jayden_2954 how tall are you?
@@antoshechka 5’10
Don't know if they changed it by now, but the HATTEFJÄLL does have adjustable armrests.
Adjustable armrest is mandatory for me
pay then
@@imnotasher4892 what. what the fuck are you saying.
@@broodjekaas820 if you want more adjustment options you have to pay for them, easy as
that being said they just need to add that to the Markus and they're golden
@@acidset ah yeah true, I regret buying the jarvfjallet because it lacks customizability like armrests and seat tilt sensitivity.
I agree. And as far as I know IKEA have no chairs with adjustable armrests. No idea why...
I've got the Järvfjället and ditched the "gaming" chair. Mine also came with adjustable armrests in package. Love the stiffer seating, the back support is excellent and overall quality is superb. I absolutely love it, my back has stopped hurting completely.
Did you get the leather or fabric version? Just purchased the glose black leather Jarvfjallet with armrests for $279 but I still have to assemble it.
@@terrasai2857 Locally I couldnt find any Järvfjället chairs at all for a long time. Eventually leather ones popped up for sale so I went with these. Leather is pretty nice but with my experience, leather in general is much more prone to wear compared to fabric. I'd have gone for fabric if I had the option to, but even if leather does wear out, IKEA seems to be very supportive with shipping replacements.
@@cert9111 Yeah the fabric Jarvfjallet’s are always out of stock where I’m from too. It’s been especially bad because COVID completely messed up IKEA’s logistics.
I’m crossing my fingers that the leather isn’t super cheap.
I've been using the Markus for almost 2 years now.
It's good, but in the beginning I had to adjust to the chair, and not the other way around. Specially because I'm tall and the seat doesn't go too deep
mine is 15 years old now. leather is worn but the cusions are still fine.
Do you recommend it for sitting more than 8 hrs?
@@neo6259 bro you should not be sitting 8 hours
@@prntm926 I don't continuously sit 8 hrs. Every hour or half an hour or even sometimes 15 mins or so, I get off my seat for something else.
I had bought the Markus chair yesterday, because of your suggestions. I was having back isseus with previous chairs, and this one fits awesome, Its so comfy and ergonomic.Thanks David!
Do you recommend it after 3 years of using?
Do you recommend it after 5 years of using it?
Thank you for teaching me how to use my chair! I just bought an AS IS Hattefjall in like new condition for $86.
Factual and straight to the point, just like this video should be. Thanks for making this video, it helped me a lot in my purchase.
Hi David... it's 2020... and I can't go to a store and sit in a chair... thank you for this video. I also cant afford $1000 bucks for a herman miller, and my couch isn't cutting it 🤷🏾♀️
yea me too
thx for the thorough comparison. whenever i think about office chair, your channel pops in my mind. keep it up! 😊
Thank you so much for this video! I was on a tight budget but I needed a decent chair and after watching your video comparison, I decided to buy the IKEA Markus chair. It is an amazing chair for the price and I'm loving it!
Thanks for taking the time to make this video. Really helpful. Much appreciated. Oh, your voice is super relaxing too.
As a small person, I could cry over how many chairs I have tried, especially gaming chairs. I just sink in. Then I tried the Hattenfjäll and fell in love immediatelly. Finally a chair in which I can sit straight and am FULLY supported. It forms around all my back to the legs and just locks me into a proper working position. Also sitting relaxing on it, is possible. (Currently sitting on it crosslegged) The adjustments are awesome. Sadly the chair nowadays costs 299€. IKEA is robbing people cause 3 years back it costed 215€.
How tall are you? I'm 5'1" and have the same issue. I've been looking at HATTEFJÄLL, ALEFJÄLL and JÄRVFJÄLLET.
@@jammydoughnuts I am 5'4" 👍
@@jammydoughnuts I'm only 5' but I bought the Jarfvjallet one 😂 did I make a wrong choice? 😂
@@jean-tatlock26 how is it going with your back? Considering to buy same
I am tall and all chairs in this video have the same problem that is half of my leg is in the air while sitting in them
what do you do with all these chairs!?
Hes probably returned them after he finished filming.
The best thing don't buy Nazi, Stollen Wood From the Forest Furniture.
BS1
The Truth will set you free.🔥
@@BlackShogun1 what
@@p.b2061 It's all hard core nazi furnuture do some research.
@@BlackShogun1 bro what.. what do i look up
The foam is thicker on the newer chairs because thinner foam will break down faster over time.
I went trough plenty of videos and google search results, but it seems everyone trys to sell their 50 bucks chair for up to 300.. Im glad all that nonsens brought me here because this was the first video I found really honest and informational. Thanks tho :)
Speaking from experience you want the more dense foam as the more plush one on my old ikea chair has now worn out and i can feel the steel base.
Also to add to this the warranty will only cover; the frame and moving parts so if the material wears out or tears your SOL.
I just picked out a Markus completely at random, before seeing this video and after reviewing your other video about best posture while sitting. I guess I'm fortunate for being a bit of a tall person with longer arms and legs since that made it pretty much perfect for me. But yeah...I can see how it'd be an issue for smaller folks. And agreed on the foam - easily the best of any other and made me completely forget leather.
Same, Being tall can be a gift and a curse. But mainly a gift :D
David Zhang and Ikea furniture reviews, name a more iconic duo.
My back thanks you for this review and your channel. I just grabbed the JÄRVFJÄLLET (prefer it over the Markus) over any of the gaming chairs on the market and its an absolute dream. I cant believe how much a difference it is making to my old "racer" style chair. I dont feel tiered after sitting in it for a few hours and its just so much better for the price.
how are your experience after 3 months?
@@antoshechka Would still recommend it. I have to admit its not as good for "lounging" in watching videos but for typing and working where it encourages you to sit up, its good. I dont feel however that the chair would suit a large or heavy person.
@@simont1299 thanks for your feedback. I'm not able to compare Marcus and JÄRVFJÄLLET (there is no IKEA in my town) so i choose JÄRVFJÄLLET based on better adjustability.
@@antoshechka did you get it ? if yes, what do you think about it ?
@@Le.kine1 How is it not good for lounging? What prevents it from doing that well?
Your video is great. Can we take off the cover of Hattefjall to wash it? Because I see the zipper so I think we can, correct me if I am wrong.
I've been using the Markus for more than 10 year. Best ever! Never got a back pain
Do you recommend ?
Do you recommend it for sitting more than 8 hrs or so?
DO YOU RECOMMEND BUDDY? :D
I have waited so long for a video from you David, I'm always enjoying watching them.
Yesterday after 30 minutes of sitting and switching betwen those chairs I decided to buy the MARKUS. In my opinion it is bettter if you prefer something more comfy, like a sofa. The JÄRVFJÄLLET is better for someone who wants it for work purposes and would need more support while sitting straight.
100%
I bought the Jarvfjallet and I regret not getting the Markus. I guess the stupid adjustable features just got me sold without thinking...
Would you recommend Järvfjället to short people? I bought one, but not sure if it feels right. I'm 158 cm
i’m around the same height and was wondering this as well - did you end up keeping it? i’m worried the head rest won’t go low enough for me (152cm)
Excellent video, everything very well explained, with important details that are very useful.
Congratulations on the channel!
Thank you! Very good reviews. Can't make up my mind between Markus and JÄRVFJÄLLET. Now I know what to choose between the 2.
Hello, can you share your experience on whatever chair you've chosen?
which one did you choose?
Markus is nice, but Järvfjället is reeaally good and supports your back amazingly. And the spring is more effective.
Excellent review , i bought the Markus and initially was comfortable , but after about 2 days i started having a lower back ache , and agree on the armrests , they need to be adjustable and softer material, i added foam and wrapped them in leather , but after a week my back was getting worse due to the not adjustable lumbar, i had to give it back. if the lambar was adjustable i would have kept it because it was comfortable. i am 6'2" and about 260 .
thanks for your feedback
I agree, the lumbar support is too low unfortunately for tall people.
Hi David, following your review (and a few others), I bought my Markus from Ikea 29th December 2019 and it has been used almost all day and every day and evening since. Today, 21.1.23 over three years on, I still love it, however, although everything still works as new, it has developed an annoying 'clunk' in the seat mechanism whenever I move slightly. As it is located in an upstairs bedroom used as an office, the clunk is a disturbance to anyone trying to get to sleep in the next bedroom and downstairs. I'm hoping that with my receipt and proof of purchase, I can have the seat mechanism part replaced under Ikea's 10-year guarantee. I'll let you know if they do.
did they do it?
@@bogdanvalentin977 Not in January when I returned it. They couldn't get it to "clunk" when they examined it so, dissappointed, and thinking that it must be fixed, I ended up brining it home again for a second chance. However it got progressively worse so I video recorded the evidence and uploaded it to their customer support chat. They were really helpful ans assured me that if I returned it again that it would certainly be exchanged. I did so on 13.4.23 and they exchanged it without hesitation. The new one is perfect and the guarantee on this one runs until 2029. I am thrilled with Ikea's customer service policy on the Markus. You can't beat it! Happy customer!
as someone looking for a chair that stops me sitting cross legged - hattefjall seems ideal, just need to add some custom armrests.
The jarv-fillet had me weak
Thanks so much for this extensive review, you commented most of the main comfort points that I wanted to know about the new Jarvälfjeffjlkf... I'll be sticking with my trusty old Markus for now, until a really comfortable chair comes along. The maximum tilt angle looks the same on both, which is not enough for me; though maybe with the seat tilt on the new one it will have a better effect.
2:14 that’s what she said
Just watched this video to decide if I wanted to keep my MARKUS or get one of the other models. I decided to keep it but take the arm rests off :)
Please do a review of the IKEA Matchspel if you can! The comparison between that and the other IKEA adjustable office chairs would be interesting.
Got Markus almost a year ago and I love it. I do wish the Markus got a bit closer to the ground, but it's still very comfortable.
Minimal height seems too high for me too
Highly recommend the Javfjallet but it does click a bit but can be fixed
Hey what exactly do you mean? I own the chair and it sometimes makes noises. What would be your fix? Thank you.
@@MrTommyjolly old.reddit.com/r/IKEA/comments/99rgj5/finally_a_new_markuslike_chair_järvfjället/ebp9ff1/
I've used the Markus for for (even though my budget was over $500) for the past 3 years. A couple of mods I've done: remove the lower back foam insert, and flipped the arm rests so they are down and out of the way. I'm 6' and I like it.
Did you still had lumbar support without it or nothing at all?
@@ancestralrocha7709 there is still lumbar support. The mesh back holds the shape. It was too intense before but now it's perfect.
@@modestmaking5314 Thank you mate
@@modestmaking5314 Yeah, I'm having a similar issue with the foam insert being a bit too intense (but it is new and maybe breaks in). If you rip the foam insert out, is it impossible to put back in?
@@Tephnos Not at all. It's a little tricky to get it out as you have to open the back of the chair, but it's possible to take it out and put it back if desired. I don't think you'll want to put it back though.
Can you buy aftermarket art rest Hattefjall?
I tried the Jarvfjallet for about a month and compared to a normal office chair, the seat cushion is incredibly stiff and uncomfortable for long periods of sitting. Granted, we shouldn't be sitting as long as we are but now that we're quarantined and working from home I spend way more time sitting to be comfortable in the Jarvfjallet. I can't recommend it and I would suggest anyone looking for a comfortable chair to simply wait, save more money and buy a chair. This is one of those BIFL (buy it for life) type things and not something to really cheap out on.
after 7 month, what do you think now ?
@@Le.kine1 it’s even worse. The seat cushion squeaks and constantly comes loose from the base that holds it in place. I’m not the most slender guy but this thing is just not comfortable for long periods. I am already seriously looking at the Herman Miller Aeron. Yes it is a $1200+ chair but if you factor in how much time you sit at a desk and if you value your health and posture, it’s a worthwhile investment.
@@Minerva___ okey I see what you mean, for my part I was looking for ergochair 2 of autonomous, what do you think? Personally it's the middle chair ergonomic between Ikea chair and herman Miller
@@Le.kine1 I looked at autonomous as well and considered buying one but held off because i didn’t want to buy another chair I would regret. It’s a shame they don’t have their chairs in a showroom as that would be a better way to see if it fits your needs. I would just look for reviews but everyone is different so you have to take those with a grain of salt. Sorry I couldn’t be more helpful. Maybe there are RUclips videos of that chair? Also if they have a good return policy maybe just buy it and give it a test run.
@@Minerva___ since 1 week I tried to found a good chair, decide between chair games or ergonomic, and then I saw review of the autonomous, they say it's very comfort and cool, so I try to get it but I live in France so they take +60€ for the taxes and the delivery is pretty long, and I don't know if we can got a refund if I don't like it. But thanks for your help bro
what a wonderful review...I'm on their website and just decided to search reviews. Thank you!!
My biggest problem is that every chair I try the cushion bottoms out after like an hour of use, and im relatively light. Do any of these suffer from that issue?
I’m in love with the design of the HATTEFJÄLL chair but is it worth the money? It’s a lot to spend on a chair and they have brought out a black wheeled version but it’s even more money.
Id rather buy the one from your local supermarket
Have you looked at IKEA ALEFJÄLL? Looks very interesting.
I went to ikea to try out their gaming chairs ,ended up sitting in the Markus for 20 min or so.
Thing is they’re removing the leather one ,according to staff.
Went home saw a few Markus used online ,and immediately bought one just a few 100 m from my home for 20€.
Love that chair when gaming ,I’m 193 and 96 kg and it suits me fine.
I use two small pillows as neck and lumbar support
Why do you use pillows if it suits you fine
@@Gotlererer because it makes even a better fit that way of course.
Fair enough. But in my opinion if you need to use someting like pillows to get better feeling then it probably doesnt suit you that well xd
@@Gotlererer i guess a 200-300€ chair would ,but for the price ,lots of bang for the buck.
One factor is looks/design as well ,pretty neutral.
Imagine having a red/green ugly racing chair.
I think I'll need some comfy cushion no matter chair since both neck and back is pretty banged up
Had my Markus for 5 years now (blue cloth version) I love it personally, i never use the reclining feature though as i use it primarily to sit at a computer.
is it good if ur sitting in it for longer periods of time? like does cushion fuck up?
Which one would be best for a tall (194cm) and heavy (130kg) man?
Thanks to these comments below, I finally bought Markus and i seriously loved it. Jarv is almost twice the price so the choice is pretty simple.
Twice the price? Where are you from? Here the jarv is only like 30$ more expensive 😂 (jarv without arms. With arms it'll be 60$ more)
In spain they are the same price
Oh hey its the
Austin Evans of chairs!
Thank you! Can i dismantle the armrests from the markus. I would use it without armrest.
You can buy the chair without the armrests. Cheaper also.
STAPLES HYKEN 4 LYFE.
The hyken is really small.
Lol
I found Markus lumbar is much more comfortable and softer than JArv. But I hated how hard it is to recline. It require so much strength to push it back,then I have to lean forward to access to the lock so it basically doesn’t work.
So for the Jarv I like how I can effortlessly lean back a bit but not too much while have the chair tucked in to allow my body close to the table. But I don’t feel much of the lumbar support and it’s hard I would put a think cushion inbetween. The Hat chair more comfortable than I expected, looks good only thing is missing a head support which I wanted other wise it felt quite supported to have back to back to the chair while tuck close to the table.
Buuut IKEA lack of stock for god knows how long I don’t know when I’ll be able to get the Jarv chair
its been 2 years but... you can adjust the strrngth of the recline from the big circular knob.
Sorry if you mentioned at some point but whats your approx weight? I find for me, that impacts the way I feel in a chair - I don't like to fully sit on top of a chair (too firm) or sink to the bottom of the cushion after a few minutes (too soft). Thanks for your videos!
David : "You know what to do"
Me : What i need to do ?
Exactly 😂
From a higher price range which better chair than these would you recommend?
question: Did u buy all of these chairs to show us or did u buy, make a video and then give it back to ikea?
Im on the heavier side, 185cm, will the jarvfjallet be a good choice?
Can you do a "Totaly how to not sit" in those chairs? I have a DXRacer that I want to replace and sometime I pull my legs in it just to change position, other times I lean back with my arms behind my neck, or I just let one leg hang over the side; and then it is a DXRacer I can flip it far back so I almost can rest in it. So how far can you push the relaxed sitting in those chairs.
One reason I want to change is that the DXRacer looks like a monolith in my apartment.
Thank you! You've saved many many people some respectable money! 🤜🤛
For 250 euros you can e.g. buy a pro-tech 200, which is just more durable as these Ikea chairs. These are clearly built to sit on for multiple hours a day.
What about kneeling chairs? Could you do a comparison on kneeling chairs vs normal office chairs?
Ive had markus chair for a year now, i can say its amazingly comfortable and great especially for its price!
@SUFFQR im 169 cm
@SUFFQR hmm maybe, it is a bit tall but i think its comfortable! I dont think i will be buying another chair
@SUFFQR you can always visit ikea and test the chairs out there! They usually have them out for testilg
@SUFFQR oh i see :/
@SUFFQR think thw headrests are about same height! But hope you like it!
is their warranty good, and do they actually honor it years later?
Having just moved out to start uni I've been using an old dining chair for the last 6 months. Horrid. Bought the hattefjall after Christmas from my home town. I had eyed it when innitially shopping for the apartment but back then it seemed expensive as hell. Thankfully the price here went down like 50€ since, so it wasn't as bad. I did try all the chairs at the store and for me it just felt the best, most of the bigger ones felt like I was drowning in them and could barely reach the headrests. Maybe I'll finally start using my new desk more often now :)
the review is helpful. wonder if MARKUS fits 163cm tall man and sitting for 10 hours working per day? can you help?
Sir, I had tried Markus chair at a local IKEA store and fell in love immediately with it (Vissle, dark grey version as I strongly dislike the faux leather). Then I watched this video many times over - even when testing the chair right on the spot for the second time :-). Please accept my thanks for doing such valuable and informative videos. As I am 189 cm tall (6ft 3in), Markus fits me perfectly and infinitely better than literally tens of chairs I tried at six specialist furniture stores within the past week (with prices ranging from 200 to 600 USD). Here in the Czech Republic, Markus is favourably priced (3490 CZK/152 USD based on today’s conversion rate) and they provide a 99 CZK/5 USD delivery up to 50 kg per single item (I do not drive). Not that I do not contemplate a Herman Miller chair but for now I am very happy.
Doesn't the lumbar support bothers you ? I'm 185-186 cm and it's too low for me.
@@botzer8817 Not in the slightest. Yes, I definitely feel it being present but find it comfortable and soothing for my lumbar back. But chairs, as many other things in life, tend to be rather subjective affair. :-)
Hi David. What do you think about the Markus for tall people? I'm 184 cm tall and I think that maybe the armrests are too low.
David, what do you think about Ergoal One
office chair?
Thank you for sharing the video. I just learned my ALEFJÄLL also allows me to adjust pan depth lol
I have that 3rd one for gaming and im very happy
The armrests on the JÄRVFJÄLLET do adjust
I bought the Markus but I found after around 45 minutes of sitting in it, my underthighs would become quite painful, which I presume is due to the firmness of the foam.
Same issue
Could you tell me the make of the pants?
Would also like to know
can the wheels be changed to castor polyurethane wheels ?
that would be great if it can...
The JÄRVFJÄLLET is absolutely terrible compared to the MARKUS, especially considering the MARKUS is cheaper. The construction of the base itself is piss-poor; it squeaks and cracks at any little movement after less than a month. The padding is hard as hell and you'll never get used to it. I tried for six months, with four layers of extra padding material and it was still unbearable. The seat constantly creaks when you move your ass forward/back as it slides around in its rails. The lumbar support pushes your lower back away from the mesh supporting your upper back and is thus counterintuitive because it causes all the weight of your back to end up on just your lower back. The head support, regardless of adjustment, is always in the way when you want to sit in a slightly more relaxed position while watching a movie reclined.
IKEA actually stopped producing these chairs recently, after less than two years on the market. Even without seat depth, lumbar and headrest adjusment the Markus is a far superior chair. They need to iterate on that chair instead of trying to re-invent the wheel.
So the markus is more comfortable? Im going to ikea this weekend and really just need a good chair that doesnt hurt my ass like my gaming chair does.
@@flowsy5294 Yes. It's much more comfortable. I sat in both at IKEA and found JÄRVFJÄLLET to be slightly more comfortable during a short 5 minute test, and had to buy it as it was the only one in stock. Worst decision of my life. Constant back and ass pain for 6 months. Couldn't do deadlifts at the gym anymore because my lower back was stiff as a rock.
Got the Markus now. No back/neck pain, no butt pain and my lower back feels better than it has in a long, long time. Can easily fall asleep in the chair too. Far superior to the rock hard gaming chairs, for sure.
@@vidyamancer7135 hey thanks! I have a 500 dollar gaming chair that fucking sucks. Worst money ever when i could have gotten an Ikea one. Its so fucking horrible, my ass is in so much pain and my lower back. Im going to ikea this weekend and i cant wait to try out the Markus. I wish i would have done that in the first place.
@@flowsy5294 No worries dude. Yeah, I feel ya. Gone through countless cheap and expensive chairs that were no better than the Markus. It's just easily overlooked these days with all the marketing hype from DXRacer etc. Hopefully you'll like it as well, otherwise you can just return it for a refund.
@@vidyamancer7135 yeah dxracers are doo doo for sure. Thanks for letting me know and for the information 🤙 have a good one
As a 193cm 80Kg dude ( 6ft 3" 176lb for you Imperial folk) the IKEA Markus was the first good chair for sub 150e that i got 2 years ago and it has served me well for my PC and study needs aka sitting for more than 10 hours a day. The arm rest are useless so I took them off on day one. The cushion, back support, mesh and mechanism are all as good as they were the first day. I got a new table for my Lego hobby so i was thinking of getting something nice and comfy from Ikea again, but i will will be another Markus for sure.
thanks for your feedback
Sub 150e? Where are you from ? It's 190-200 in my country
@@botzer8817 124e in Serbia for the cloth upholstered version. The pleather is 158e. There are even discounts when they go for like 100e.
It is still serving me well, so no complaints in the durability department and I sit for 12h a day easy with my online job.
hey David what do you think of leather version in term of comfort?
I don’t even need a new chair but your vids are so well done so I decided to sub
*WHOA*
We got *Zhang'd* twice within the span of a month?
damn, I just learned something new about my chair I didn't even know (the locking of the recline). Thanks dude!
great review, appreciate this!
Thank you for the video. My Jarjavvet recline became locked and I was worried it broke. Turned out it was merely locked. While the padding is more firm, I’m 6’4” and built like the dad version of a body builder (38” waist but 280 lbs) and I’ve been very happy with it.
Hi, I’m 6,3.5 and was wondering on your opinions of this chair. Have you tested out the Markus and how does it match up?
David, when are you going to try the Steelcase gesture or leap in your house? They have like a 30 days trial
Thanks for the review. I am torn between the MARKUS & JÄRVFJÄLLET. Have visited Ikea 2 times now to check them out. I like the MARKUS better, but since the JÄRVFJÄLLET is newer I am wondering if I should get this one.
Well the next visit will be the decider I guess.
Excellent review and compare thanks David.
did you buy something?
@@antoshechka Yes I ended up buying the MARKUS. With the COVID lock downs have been WFH since and loving my buy. Thanks Ikea (no thx China ;)
@@Shark-x77 thanks for your feedback. I'm not able to compare Marcus and JÄRVFJÄLLET (there is no IKEA in my town) so i choose JÄRVFJÄLLET based on better adjustability.
@@antoshechka I dont think you can go wrong with either. Am sure you will enjoy using it. Happy working/sitting bro
Are those Uniqlo sweat pants?
I think i have those :O
So do I :D
What chair do you use personally?
I’m 6’0.5 what would be the better purchase for someone on the tall side the JÄRVFJÄLLET or Markus
Should i get one of these or a Secretlab chair?
One of these
*I* ngvar *K* amprad *E* lmtaryd *A* gunnaryd
Is the best