BlackMagic ATEM Mini Pro ISO Recording and OBS... AT THE SAME TIME!!
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
- The ATEM Mini Pro ISO Switcher from BlackMagic Design is an INCREDIBLY powerful tool and we could not love it more. But, our biggest issue was missing the ability to record/stream in Open Broadcaster Software (OBS) all the while using the awesome ISO recording abilities of the ATEM.
Our Solution? The ATEM Streaming Bridge!
0:00 - Intro & Overview
1:21 - ATEM Streaming Bridge
1:57 - The Issue
4:33 - The Process
7:30 - Budget Option
10:17 - Latency
10:44 - OBS
11:44 - Expensive Option
14:22 - Outro
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This is WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT!!!! Yes!!!! Thank you for figuring this out!
This is a *life-changing* realization. Thanks for the tip!
This was great! We just got our atem mini pro iso in and still need to get everything setup. Thanks for the tips and walkthrough!
I have been trying to set up a live stream/recording and I keep coming back to this video... its awesome and so helpful!
OMG, I didn't understand why this video was good until I read your comment. I remember using my ATEM to live stream to Facebook and to Zoom in 2020 via OBS. I remember recording all 4 streams on a SSD drive plugged into my computer. But now that I think about it, I don't think I was trying to record those live views + live stream. I think I was pulling the stream off of Facebook or whatever. It's been a while! Stress dreams dominate my attempts to think logically about that period. LOL Thanks for your comment!
Dude you freaking genius. Even though I got to spend money on the streaming bridge its more than worth it to be able to record the hard drive AND to get the video to OBS, plus at some point use it for what the streaming bridge was attended for.
As far as a capture device since I already own a a Elgato HD60s that should be a excellent option with minimum lag. You know I had to subscribe and like this video. GOOD JOB BRO!
Thank you for taking out all the guesswork!
The best video so far, explaining all this! Thanks!
This video has all the answers! Super job!
Would this work if the streaming Bridge, both ATEMS, a Hyperdeck Studio Mini and two Laptops (one running OBS, the other one running the ATEM software) were connected via a network HUB?
Nice thinking. Well done and thanks for sharing.
awesome work around!! Thanks so much!!
Great fix guys. I just sent my streaming bridge back because I couldn't figure this out. I hope you can improve the latency is down to a half second. Then it's usable for an in person audience who would be annoyed with the latency. At any rate, this is fantastic.
I’m was impressed at how he had two cameras on monitors and you can’t see them head on. This is magical all by itself 😅
Thanks for this!
I struggled with it too! What I did ( cause I haven’t bought the bridge yet) is to basically send hdmi out from mini iso to a monitor that has in and out hdmi! And from that monitor send the signal with a capture card straight to the laptop. It gave me the same feed as the monitor so I just selected the full screen option! So if you haven’t bought the bridge yet, it works without too! But you just lose the 4camera view.
Hi catalin, will it help with sending hdmi out directly via capture card to the pc too? If you don’t care about multiview?
Fantastic work around - I need to show videos at times (like tomorrow) and there is no time to order the bridge.
Pointless since you are losing multiview. Priceless feature that pros can’t avoid
Wow, this also solves the problem of the stream rate and record rate being tied together. You can now record the highest quality you want to SSD, send the high signal over the stream bridge, and let OBS set the right streaming for distribution. 🤯
Add to it recording in camera and you have every flavor you want for post!
Anyway, in the PRO ISO, you'll get the same bitrate to the streaming AND the pgm recorded into the hard drive.
BUT single cameras are recorded in full quality. So I suppose that if you just open the saved project in DaVinci, you can export it in full quality.
Hero! Thanks alot!
Thanks for the very detailed walk through. If you still didn't dump you cash, you can go with ATEM Mini Pro *Extreme* ISO, which has TWO USB outputs so you can have one for recording and another for webca -> OBS. Btw price wise, ATEM Mini Pro ISO + Streaming Bridge + capture card is equivalent to the price of ATEM Mini Extreme ISO; but the latter has less cables and less latency :)
Already purchased and in our hands! We love the Extreme Pro ISO and have been loving the Super Source Function
@@TheVideoContentFactory Do you plan to review it? I've originally got Mini ISO (not extreme) and stumbled upon single USB port issue. Heading back to the shop to exchange for the Extreme version.
Do you still need a capture card to send from the USB C on the Atem Mini Extreme ISO to a PC using OBS?
@@PartyCreate you don't - it appears as a plain usb webcam.
love the video btw, really helped
well done man. Really well done! I appreciate you
Great stuff brother! We are building our studios out now and this was clutch! 🙏
I've been running OBS and ATEM Mini Pro with a capture card since the start of COVID. Recording simultaneously on both. No need to engage two ATEMs. Even more cost effective with just one ATEM Extreme.
Nice review thanks
Awesome!
Great video!
cool video Thank you for figuring this out
Short question. I own a Macbook Pro from 2018. I last connected my DSLR via USB and integrated it into OBS using a software solution. A USB mic is also connected to the Macbook Pro. When streaming, the Macbook Pro box has already reached its limits and the CPU load ensures that you can actually no longer use the computer to work in a program and stream a video tutorial, for example.
The ATEM Mini Pro with built-in encoder could solve this problem for me. In any case, I understand it that way, when I connect all the hardware mentioned to the ATEM Mini Pro and also connect my Macbook Pro to the ATEM via HDMI, that I can stream directly from the ATEM Mini Pro and the entire CPU performance would no longer come to fruition yes the ATEM is working.
How does it all work when I connect all my hardware to the ATEM Mini Pro and connect it to my Macbook Pro via USB-C and then stream from my Macbook Pro via OBS (source is then ATEM video and audio). Is the CPU utilization of my Macbook Pro even smaller than when I use the first scenario without ATEM? Have you been able to gain experience on this?
Do you need to set up the stream in the switching software before hand? I've set it up, but the live stream button just keeps flashing but I've never actually configured the atem for streaming in the past?
Thank you very much for this video.
All they have to do - put one more USB-C out.
But now we need to buy more ATEM products to do what we want - get clean feed and our stream at the same time!
or just buy an ATEM mini extreme.
You save my Life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Basically, if you are using the Mini Pro ISO with OBS to stream, as we have to as we need some opacity in graphics we need to import and overlay when filming motor sport that the atem does not offer, buy the extreme instead. If the additional device was £50 (what it's probably worth), then it's a workaround, but at over £225 it's a nonsense of a solution when comparing the additional functionality of the extreme for the difference in price, plus you have a lot more inputs. Bought a 3 port usb c hub so I could go to two ssd's and the laptop, but the laptop does not then see the atem as a web camera input in OBS.
Will this method consumed the CPU usage? And what about quality? Is there any frame drop? Also, will I be encoding from ATEM MINI OR OBS? Thanks i
Would I be able to also use the SD OUT on the bridge and connect it to the SD IN on the HyperDeck Studio Mini to record on an SD card there?
Why is this video glitch on the front camera? And another questions how much bitrate is on streaming because RJ45 send picture in bitrates, How much bitrate is that? Is the image good?
That's from a wireless signal disruption in our Ghost Eyes Signal not a result of streaming. Image is perfect, the downsampling occurs within the ATEM Mini Pro. We've never had any bitrate issue, it's certainly at HD distribution levels.
Great Video. Thanks for sharing this workaround. Question...What do you use the ISO's for ? I'm trying to understand why you need to record to SSD to capture the ISOs.? do you edit with them later? or like to have the raw video from each input? If you have no need for this , then recording in OBS would be the solution to capture the full stream in a record mode. Thanks.
The ISO recordings are fantastic for when you're doing a multicamera project and want to cut it same day, BUT want the ability to change some of the cuts later, add graphics or re-link all the cameras to the B-raw footage that all of our blackmagic cameras record in. Better color and the ability to make mistakes and fix them later
So I just used this setup for streaming from my ATEM mini pro. Is there a way to still do lower thirds without being able to use the computer interface?
Can you not load up RTMP mini server by Garanin on the PC and configure the mini pro to stream to it? Mini server then outputs to OBS as an NDI source.
would it work with a double usbc dongle directly to the Atem ? like one for the ssd and the other for OBS ? just asking
The latency is quite noticeable. Now we have the atem mini extreme iso which actually does everything we want.
Yes it does, and it costs $1,295.00. Also nobody has actually used it yet but there are indeed TWO usb-c outputs on there. Fingers crossed you can record and stream at the same time.
So with the Atem Extreme Iso it is possible? I can't really find that answer online
@@isthisaweirdnamea long overdue...YES 😂
How then do you get the atem showing in the software control ?
I have a question, with this device you can also connect to a zoom call for example and being able to tell zoom that the camera you will choose is one the Blackmagic for example? Is there a way also to record the zoom call for example in a separate file in the mini pro ISO? Thank you in advance.
Excellent work. Thanks for posting.
One question: If you run the ethernet out of the ATEM to a router, can you stream to the Stream Bridge AND run the ATEM companion software simultaneously?
you absolutely can, its the way I do it now
Those small HDMI-USB dongles output 30FPS only... if you're in the US working at 60Hz this is not a problem, but for the rest of us with 50Hz in the 25/50 FPS world - it is not suitable, the OBS stream will lose frames. To solve this, I am using BlackMagic UltraStudio Recorder 3G, which can output as a USB-C webcam and supports all frame rates
Thanks for this..we want to do something similar in our school...just another thought...given we're not necessarily after amazing quality...could we just stream directly via OBS/RUclips etc...and simply record the stream via OBS? Is that another possible 'simple' solution?
I didnt get it 100% but you can do this:
1. Record on disk and directly stream to fb/etc from atem mini(no pc needed)
2. Record on disk and stream to atem bridge and do exactly as he did aaand
3. Record on a disk,setup a rtmp server on your pc and feed it to obs.
The only think is setting a good rtmp server is a bit tricky. There is a software(rtmp server) which i dont recall at the moment, i set it up in 10 mins and it worked But didnt test it on professional enviroment. You just have to spent some time reading on how it works and set it correctly and you dont need the blackmagic bridge!
I have a question that is SOMEWHAT related to this, but it may help someone else too. I have a Hyperdeck Studio, a Video Assist 3G, Atem Mini Pro, and the Streaming Bridge is on the way. I have the Atem Mini Pro's program going into OBS as a webcam. I want to be able to use the Streaming Bridge in the same way you are, but with a twist. Instead , I want to use the USB-C port to record to my external SSD (which is a given), yes, but I want to be able to use my Streaming Bridge to send SDI or HDMI signal to my Blackmagic Video Assist. Then, using the Video Assist 3G 's webcam ability to go to OBS Studio (for guest interivews), and project the final OBS Output to my GTX-1080ti's display to an HDMI adapter and record the final output back into the Video Assist. I believe the latest update to the Video Assist 3G gave it the ability to select which channel to record (SDI or HDMI). I prefer to keep my Hyperdeck for playback instead of recording, since it can do auto-roll from the switcher, and the Video Assist cannot. If this is not possible to record back to the Video Assist on another channel, I plan to BEG Blackmagic to update the Hyperdeck Studio firmware so that I could record on one SSD while using the other for playback. I have a feeling that I will be forced to use the Atem Mini Pro's USB-C for webcam to OBS, the GPU's display port output converted to HDMI to the Video Assist for recording OBS Output, and therefore nullifying the external USB-C SSD. If this s wordy or verbose, I am also typing this for myself as a reference point while it is in my head.
Could you use the stream /Ethernet out thru the bridge and capture card to disc to record and use the USBc out to OBS without the delay?
Yes I actually don't see any reason why not. But you will lose the ability to record the ISOs which is the beauty of the Atem mini pro ISO unit. That would certainly work for program record.
I could use your help! I connected everything as showed and while my computer is seeing the Blackmagic, it is not seeing the video feed via ethernet. I've tried two different ethernet cables to check that it wasn't a cable issue and connected my camera directly to my atem mini pro to ensure it wasn't an hdmi cable issue also and that worked. So I'm not sure what the problem is? I just received the Atem Mini Pro Iso yesterday, so I guess maybe that could be broken? But I doubt it. Thoughts?
Maybe a fun challenge? Find a work around for only being able to stream to one bridge? Maybe have a local restream server that can broadcast to multiple local destinations.
I’ve been trying to find a video or info for this, but am having quite the time finding anything
but what about the lack of NDI input to the MINI? no trick about?
Hey! Thank you for this video. I just have one doubt: is it possible to take the HDMI output from ATEM Mini Pro ISO and connect it directly as a HDMI input on ATEM Mini? So ATEM Mini would be used as a capture card to OBS and ATEM Mini Pro ISO would record all video sources.
Yes but...
Like you only have 1 USB-C you also only have 1 HDMI Out.
You can make that HDMI be Program out, but then you can't see the Multiviewer. If you make it MV, you lose program out.
hi ., i extreme pro iso ., and i cant get it to work . i have all the cables but i cant see multiview first of all , and obs is far to connect . i did every single thing you mentioned since i have 8 hdmi ports , 2 in out hdmi ports , and 2 usb c but still i dont understand
This is great, but why don't you just plug the HDMI out from the ATEM mini pro iso into the capture card directly? Why does it need to go via ethernet to the streaming bridge? Doesn't the HDMI out show the same feed? Or is that for monitoring only? (i.e. does it have UI controls on it?)
this is what a creative person can do..
One more question. I'd like to use one of the streaming bridge SDI outputs to run into our remote monitors in our building via a cable setup that already exist. Will the HDMI ouput now interrupt this process?
It shouldn’t! Technically the outputs on the Streaming Bridge are active at all times but we can test this specific situation and get back to you!
@@TheVideoContentFactory Thanks a lot. You guys are awesome.
Using the ATEM Bridge remotely over the internet, is it possible to connect a camera to the usb c or to either of the SDI REF IN connections to than broadcast that camera through a an ATEM SDI Extreme ISO locality and out to a Zoom audience. (Don’t know if the Bridge HDMI is bidirectional.) Would the ATEM Bidirectional SDI HDMI 12G Converter be required to use a remote camera feed in this scenario?
Currently the Bridge is not bidirectional. However what you can do is have the Bridge at the home studio, and run a camera into the ATEM SDI Pro (or extreme) and use a 5G phone signal to broadcast untethered
How much, if any, video quality is lost when going from ISO>Bridge>Capture Card (Or Atem Mini)>PC?
Haven't noticed much at all, still able to send out the hd signal, but that would likely be more based on the capture card in the computer rather than the iso to bridge. Keep in mind it is NOT a 4k output from the switcher, it already downresses the footage to HD. You need one of the big boy ATEM units to retain the 4K signals from cameras.
1) Can you not capture via USB OUT from yr ATEM PRO to "webcam" on OBS, OR 2) via LAN /Stream OUT from the ATEM to OBS NDI? (And record via OBS if you wish). Last question 3) if you use your method, what are the ATEM stream settings; server, key, address, etc?
yes you can use the atem as webcam over ethernet port, and still record through usbc :D
search for rtmp, ffmpeg, h264 codec
You are the man. Great video! #NewSubscriber
OH YEAHH!!!
Do You notice difference about video Quality when You connect capture card and then Atem Mini to OBS?
No real dip, the atem minis only output 720/1080 to begin with keep in mind.
Wow! Finally! This is the ONLY WAY to stream to Zoom and ISO record at the same time (that I know of, and I've searched for DAYS!)
Ok, now the next challenge is doing the same thing without the streaming bridge 😂
Using NDI maybe?
If you are using a second atem mini why not just use the HDMI program out from the ISO to the mini and forgo any latency issues. And you are probably going to ask about multi view but just by a multi view monitor that has 4 inputs and outputs
You can do it without the bridge too! You just have to give up the control view with multiple cameras and just pick the full view!
Just run free software like i.e. NGINX with RTMP-server on your OBS computer and you will not need to purchase any new hardware and you can keep controlling your Atem Mini Pro ISO with the Atem Software Control or other networkbased control solutions like Companion. Ads a few seconds of latency though.
What camera are you using as your primary camera here?
Good day! If you set the Atem to send Program Out via the Streaming Bridge (then to an external monitor), will the Atem Mini Pro lose the ability to directly stream from the hardware to a website (Facebook, et al)? Thank you.
No it will not! you can still setup all of your streaming services before hand in the ATEM control software
@@TheVideoContentFactory Whoa, neat! Thanks again!
How do you trigger ATEM Macros using this method?
Close to 8 Weeks later, BMD puts the ATEM Mini Extreme out, with two USB-C Ports
Yeah, not having two USB C was an oversight on the Pro ISO for sure.
Absolutely
so atem mini iso + stream bridge = same price of atem mini extreme and it works the same?
@@kaevOne Well technically we don't know that. My gut says extreme will work better because it will remove the 1 second of latency we experience through the bridge.
Can you use the hdmi and sdi outputs from the bridge at the same time? So two feeds?
So this is only necessary if you want to use the main HDMI out to view the whole preview deck on a separate monitor correct?
Do you lose the ATEM control software using the bridge?
Do you think this process will work on a Mac the same way?
Can you also use the sdi outs to go to local TVs like in a different rooms?
certainly, even better there are TWO sdi outs!
Does the Atem Mini Pro support webcam via USB ? Cant we just use a HUB on the Type C Port .
I have tried a hub and it does not work
Any reason why this won't work with me? there no video signal going out from the bridge, and yes I have pressed the on Air button on the Pro ISO. Tried entering into the pc from 3 different cdmi capture cards but no luck.
Is your source activated in OBS and on the switcher?
Why the ATEM mini pro HDMI out you can't connect directly to the video capture? thanks
You can, but with only a single HDMI out, you are choosing program only instead of also getting a multi view out in addition to program feed.
What’s the difference in having this setup that you explain vs using the hdmi output on the atem iso I to the $15 device to get it into OBS? I’m new to all these devices so I don’t know much about this. Thanks!
you can do this but you delete the all view screen
@@mehdiego2308 doing it his way, doesn’t it get rid of being able to control atem from computer via atem app?
Gold
Couldn’t you just split the hdmi out from the Atem Mini Pro ISO & run one side to your monitor and the other to an input on the Atem Mini to get the same result without the need for the streaming bridge?
The only hdmi out from atem mini pro ISO is the multiview, with all the previews from the cameras and the streaming output preview.
Otherwise you don't get to see the cameras you're switching (you'd only see the "program" camera, the one being used at the time). You'd still need a capture card to input the split HDMI to a computer to use OBS.
@@GutoHernandes ok. I thought the HDMI Out had the option of selecting Program out as well. Thanks.
It should be possible to go from the pro iso to a capture card directly, shouldn’t it? Or is the HDMI out already in use elsewhere?
The problem is that the HDMI out is being used for a multiview monitor. This workaround is designed to allow you to also use the multiview monitor via HDMI out.
How do you use the multi cam viewer on the mini pro? Their is only one out
That's exactly what this video is about! You use the hdmi out for that and then a streaming bridge for the rest!
Is there any way to still be able to control the switcher via the software although the ethernet cable isn't connected directly or do I lose this option in this case?
You loose DIRECT connection but if you run your switcher through a network, then you can control your switcher Via the ATEM Setup program
you dont have to connect unit to unit you can connect them both to your network. then you will have ability to control the atem with your computer via ethernet. everything still works
While the expensive Atem Mini Extreme Iso has solved the problem meanwhile with its two USB-C outputs (plus two HDMI outputs you can use as well!) it is interesting to see how you can convert Ethernet to HDMI.
But hey: you could have put your Atem HDMI-out to an HDMI Splitter (to monitor and to OBS!) instead of using the Atem Streaming Bridge, right?
This is what I would've done before the extreme and it would've cost 1/10th the price
No cause the hdmi out from the atem is in multiview mode. If you switch it to normal mode and go into obs directly it will work but you lost the multiview.
So depends on the situation but for me your solution is pointless cause you are losing something. How could you know if your camera is properly framed if you don’t see it before you put it live .
great stuff. So annoying that BM don't explain uses of the Streaming Bridge other than with BM products or just even to be able to split the output from the USB-C on the ATEM!
my question. i stream right now directly over obs. which tooks to much power of my cpu. will the cpu usage of obs on my macbook better, if i use an atem mini pro?
Not necessarily, what the system can do is downres the signal so its easier for the capture card to read, but if you were already accepting a 720 or 1080 signal it wouldn't affect CPU too much.
Does the Streaming Bridge work through a network switch? instead of connecting directly?
Yes, but you don't need the streaming bridge. You can use free software on your computer that brings the RTMP-stream into OBS without any additional hardware.
Wow you solved it! Well done! But wait, did you try connecting the ATEM ISO via network cable to the computer AND turn "On Air"? Seems like that should have worked too.
NVM I just tested it. The ATEM control works via RJ45 and TB adapter. However no webcam feed appears when "On Air". Just a noticed the BM Web Presenter HD has a RJ45 port. Which could be another robust way to input the video feed to OBS.
Will you be able to use this setup with the purpose Of recording to an ssd via the USB out and then via ethernet bridge af HD capture get a signal for Zoom instead Of OBS? My issue is that i want to livestream a zoom meeting and still record it lovally, because the zoom record quality is bad. Thanks in avance.
Btw i dont need to see the feed from the hdmi out port. Does this Mean i can just plug a HD capture card in the hdmi out and into My computer and use as a webcam? And that way leave the USB c out for hdd Recording?
@@jo9jo9dk Exactly!
Thanks for your video! Can we still control the cameras with this setup? (blackmagic micro studio 4k)
Youre welcome!
So you can control the cameras before the stream by connecting to your computer through the ethernet or usb-c port, then using the ATEM control software (like we all know how to do). But! you can run your switcher through your network so that you can split the ethernet signal to the streaming bridge and your computer. This will allow you to control the cameras and use OBS at the same time. Without the network though, you cannot control the ATEM and use OBS at the same time.
@@TheVideoContentFactory Thanks !
@@TheVideoContentFactory Really? Atem mini -> Ethernet-Switch/Hub ->To Bridge AND to OBS-PC??? How to address?
one thing though you haven't shown that if the iso is still working because not sure why my atem mini is not detecting in the computer.
ah I missed the same thing as yours....on air button was supposed to be pressed.
Doesn't the Streaming Bridge has a USBC port? What is it for? I thought you can connect that to the computer to UBS, without needing another ATEM Mini or a capture device
You’re genius
is the pixels in the middle of the video due to recording and streaming?
It's not at all! We are using a wireless GhostEyes set up, and there was a little interference that was present in monitors pre stream and pre recording. There were people around the studio so likely a cellphone. You will not have this issue if you go wired directly or if you mess with your antenna's a bit more.
@@TheVideoContentFactory awesome thank you for the response 👍🏼
So you can't use a USB hub o the atem?
LOVE THE VIDEO. However I have a question thats bugging the crap outta me . Why not run the Atem Mini directly to OBS and the run your HDMI out to a field recorder. That way your visual portion is already recorded in 422 ProRes? I honestly feel like that streaming bridge is unnecessary cause you could also run the Atem Mini Pro ISO HDMI Out to the ATEM Mini and then run that to OBS. So then you Pro ISO is recording to SSD while the original mini runs to OBS. Great Video by the way. Just seem like its taking the long way just to get around the corner if that analogy makes any sense.
The whole point is to record all the video inputs as separate files, so that after the stream, you can make something else out of them in post.
This would still work if I replaced OBS with Zoom, right? I’m trying to stream over the Ethernet port and (using an Ethernet switch) have the capability to output a Zoom webcam
Does the $13.99 capture card have higher quality compared to the usb webcam out of the ATEM?
Question!
So if you’re using the Ethernet cable from the Pro ISO into the Atem Streaming Bridge, then that to the capture card on your computer. Does that mean you no longer have access to the Atem Setup app on a computer?
No, technically not. If you run your Switcher through your network (a router), you can split the signal from the Atem to your streaming bridge and computer to regain control through the Atem setup program.
like it
is it work in atem mini pro aslo?
Also, would a USB-C splitter work?
We have not tried that, as I am concerned about a potential recording error onto the ISO SSD. Let me know if you give it a try!
I work with a Mac. Will your set work with a Mac laptop computer?
Absolutely it will we do it all the time.
How do you keep it connected to the Internet via Ethernet?
He doesn't need to, because OBS on the PC goes to the internet for streaming.
How about if you just buy the ATEM mini extrême? It has two USB-C ports.
We can't agree with you more! But check the date on the video, the ATEM Mini Extreme didn't exist yet! We had to find a way around the issue until it was released.
Your question and the corresponding response solved my problem aswell. Awesome!