ATEM Mini Pro ISO For Multi-Camera Podcast Set Up

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  • @RobertMTeegarden
    @RobertMTeegarden  2 года назад +5

    Which one is best for you; ATEM Mini Pro or ATEM Mini Pro ISO?

    • @DanielHernandezCa
      @DanielHernandezCa Год назад +1

      I am going to buy the mini iso pro right now, thanks

    • @groeivoer
      @groeivoer Год назад +4

      That's pretty obvious right, the ISO

  • @NickPrainito-f3y
    @NickPrainito-f3y Год назад +22

    For Converting to another project file: Open the project in Resolve > Export XML > Open XML in any NLE

    • @LostAuxMedia
      @LostAuxMedia 2 месяца назад +1

      Bro single-handedly saved so many lives with this one.

    • @tomghzel
      @tomghzel Месяц назад

      I could easily make my live switches into multicam seq. in Davinci, but then when exporting, the multicam doesn't open in Premiere.

  • @HOPE00G
    @HOPE00G 18 дней назад

    Finally, a video that answered some of my questions. Time to purchase.

    • @RobertMTeegarden
      @RobertMTeegarden  18 дней назад

      You hear that, Blackmagic? I’ll take my commission in cash because I’m worried it might bump me into a different tax bracket 😂😂😂

  • @abdimalikreacts
    @abdimalikreacts 10 месяцев назад +2

    This is exactly what I was looking for. Great job explaining everything perfectly and being honest with your overall review of things.
    Ty

  • @movingtovawv
    @movingtovawv Год назад

    Just want to say thanks Robert. Having your videos on the ATEM for podcasting gave me the quickstart shortcut on getting off the ground. Thanks!

  • @WillTalkTech
    @WillTalkTech 6 месяцев назад +1

    WOW, I picked up the switcher through your link thinking it was the one I needed to record each channel and it wasn't kind of salty....

    • @RobertMTeegarden
      @RobertMTeegarden  6 месяцев назад

      What did you receive? I just put up the links that Amazon gives me.

    • @WillTalkTech
      @WillTalkTech 6 месяцев назад

      I got the one for $500 that lets you record but, it’s just one file it’s not the $799 one that you’re talking about in the video.
      The links you have up is the $299 and $499 you should add a link for the 799 because the 499 doesn’t give each hdmi port its own recording track which you outline in the video.

  • @ITSolutionsNetwork
    @ITSolutionsNetwork 6 месяцев назад

    This is exactly what I was looking for.
    I currently have only 3 USB-C ports on Mac and I can get only 2 HDMI inputs + USB Webcam, but I don't like using elgato switcher because it's only a switcher.
    I wanted to have all the HDMI outputs recorded so that if I forgot to switch from Dekstop to Camera where I talk, I could fix it in post production.
    At the same time, I wanted to switch cameras during the recording and not waste time on post editing unless I make a mistake.
    So, basically this Pro ISO is exactly what I need.
    Thank you so much, I searched several videos and your's was very easy to follow, wasn't boring, and hit the target audience exactly.

    • @RobertMTeegarden
      @RobertMTeegarden  6 месяцев назад

      So happy you enjoyed it and it was helpful! Appreciate your feedback.

    • @aimevents15
      @aimevents15 3 месяца назад

      Can we have program put and same time Malti views in BLACK MAGIC MINI PRO?

  • @TailoredTechnique
    @TailoredTechnique Год назад +1

    Your link for the ATEM mini iso is actually the link to monitor, if you want to edit that so you on it!

  • @paulidevoss7249
    @paulidevoss7249 2 месяца назад

    Great overview. When it comes to syncing in Premiere I’d use the ‘create multicam sequence clip’ function - super fast way of syncing your multi cam picture with external audio. This basically just uses the audio waveform to match everything up then when you’re on the timeline go into Multicam mode and you can essentially do a software version of live switching right there. You can also go back and tweak transition points etc if need be

    • @RobertMTeegarden
      @RobertMTeegarden  2 месяца назад

      Yes, I’ve used this a bunch as well but it’s not always 100% for me in the sync. Pluraleyes is generally much better to automate this part of the process but if I’m honest, most of the time a great hand clap as a cheap slate is the quickest, most reliable option since the ATEM files are already blocked together and you’re just syncing audio to them.

  • @bryanmederos9717
    @bryanmederos9717 Год назад +2

    This was super thorough. Thanks Robert!

  • @MMFightNight
    @MMFightNight 9 месяцев назад

    Got mini pro iso sdi for myself not really been in fields ith it yet but in process of collecting whole needed gear :) 4 cams + 2 mics and OBS to play live :) Thank you for your video great help for me :)

  • @princeamu
    @princeamu Год назад +1

    Best explanation on this so far. Thank you

  • @AndreasBodin
    @AndreasBodin Год назад

    Awesome tutorial and walkthrough!
    Thank Robert! I've invested in an Atem Mini Pro ISO.

  • @MiguelLoratv
    @MiguelLoratv Год назад +1

    Thanks for this video i recent purchase the Atem Mini pro Iso and your explain help me a lot (sorry about my mediocre english)

  • @billystuckman4089
    @billystuckman4089 Год назад

    Thank you for breaking this down. I’ve watched others and i feel like they skip over things. You answered all my questions 👍

  • @davidjaetucker
    @davidjaetucker 2 месяца назад

    Great video Mahalo! So that I am clear on audio - I use the native camera audio that is output with the hdmi feed as a way to sync with the zoom recorder output, and then mute the cam audio in post.

    • @RobertMTeegarden
      @RobertMTeegarden  2 месяца назад +1

      Thanks, David! Yup, that sounds great to me!

  • @adventureluke3238
    @adventureluke3238 17 дней назад

    very very nice Video. THANKS FOR THIS AMAZING Input. Apreciate your work.

  • @walterjohnson8192
    @walterjohnson8192 Год назад +3

    I love your videos, but out of the box the ISO version does NOT record every camera automatically. You have to set it up in the settings first. Though I should have tested it first, I assumed it would record all inputs separately by default since it is the ISO version. So for my first 3 podcast episodes I produced, which I recorded in one session back to back, there was only the produced video recording for each episode. I'm glad I worked the switcher just in case. You must go into the "Record Stream" settings and choose "ISO record all inputs".

  • @Lathamhipsurgery
    @Lathamhipsurgery Год назад

    Thanks for a really helpful video. I upgraded to an ISO from the original Pro. It arrived yesterday and I did a test multicamera podcast today. I use Vegas Pro. It has a multicamera tool that makes the switches very easy to do without having to keep looking down at the buttons. I did a line out audio feed from my Rodecaster Pro 2 monitor out (line level) into the ATEM mic 1 input but it was noisy. It didn’t matter though as the audio over HDMI from the cameras gave me clear reference points to sync the clean audio. Nice!

    • @RobertMTeegarden
      @RobertMTeegarden  Год назад

      So awesome!

    • @BufBeats
      @BufBeats 9 месяцев назад +1

      You need to switch the atem audio inputs to line level. that should help with the noise.

  • @JMC_hub
    @JMC_hub Год назад

    Phenomenal video. Appreciation Overload 🙏🏽

  • @Cheesedrip268
    @Cheesedrip268 7 месяцев назад

    A gem of a video!!! Thanks

  • @jKHAHN215PA
    @jKHAHN215PA 10 месяцев назад +1

    How fast of an ssd card is need? I didn’t see a link for it below

  • @essentialgaragetapepack
    @essentialgaragetapepack 3 месяца назад

    great video, well explained, Thank you.

  • @medallionmotionpictures
    @medallionmotionpictures Год назад

    A man the most value I got out of your break down is @ 12:08. I was there for years until this device came along. So to everyone who produces streaming/prerecorded content and not using Robert Teeggarden method.... Wake Up & get rich to this. A, thanks Robert Teegarden for sharing your wealth in knowledge & skill.

  • @thatsamuellu
    @thatsamuellu Год назад +1

    You've made everything very clear and straight forward, thanks for sharing, man!
    I have 1 more questions about the unit, because I don't own one never used it yet.
    1, Is 1080p the highest quality of the recording on ATEM?

    • @RobertMTeegarden
      @RobertMTeegarden  Год назад +1

      Hi Samuel, So happy this helped you. Yes, as far as I can tell, the highest resolution I can get it 1080. It might be possible to record internally in 4K while sending a 1080 signal out of an external monitor, however, I have not tried this yet and can't confirm it will work. If you do, I'd love to hear about it.

    • @thenestpodcast
      @thenestpodcast Год назад

      Atem out to an Atomos Ninja V+
      Sarah Dietchy has a video about it.

  • @CornerstonePI
    @CornerstonePI 26 дней назад +1

    So aggressive. Fine I’ll like the damn video

  • @tomghzel
    @tomghzel Месяц назад

    This can work, but only if your HDMI outputs are already exactly colorgraded as you wish. I'ts more difficult if you want to use the recorded files on the camera's or if you record the podcast in log and want to colorgrade later. You can't do it on the full edited clip. So you need to get those cuts and apply them to the recorded files.. There is a way in Davinci to make a multicam seq from the Davinci project file. But for Premiere? I had Premiere autocut, and then move all the cuts per camera to a layer, and let that cut the multicam seq. I'll be thinking of an easier way, but not sure yet.

    • @RobertMTeegarden
      @RobertMTeegarden  Месяц назад +1

      Yea, for now I scene edit detect, grade each ISO camera file and then C&P then throughout the timeline.

  • @CydiaUndCo
    @CydiaUndCo Год назад +1

    Really good video and inspiring!
    Do you have a recording limit with your Sony cameras? Do you need a pc to record or monitor everything? No right? I only need to connect a ssd…?

    • @mrfen07
      @mrfen07 Год назад

      @robert would love an answer to this question sir

  • @MarcusOSullivan123
    @MarcusOSullivan123 10 месяцев назад

    Hi Robert, have you figured out yet how to open the XML file in Premiere Pro? Thanks for the great video. I'm not live streaming but will soon be using this for post-production.

  • @NamarasaPodcast
    @NamarasaPodcast Год назад

    Great Video!!! who mans the atem while you are podcasting? you need a friend to do the live switching, right?

    • @RobertMTeegarden
      @RobertMTeegarden  Год назад +1

      A friend, small child, maybe a well trained monkey... but someone needs to man the switching of cameras.

  • @PaulSyng
    @PaulSyng Год назад

    Really helpful!

  • @Spartan300MC
    @Spartan300MC 7 месяцев назад

    great video! What is the highest quality clip is recorded in?

  • @BeautytainmentStudios
    @BeautytainmentStudios 4 месяца назад

    I just want to start with thanks for all the information, very helpful. your videos are top tier. I have a quick question if I have 4 mics connected into a soundboard can I feed the soundboard into the ATEM PRO ISO and will it be able to record all 4 mics as one or can it record all 4 mics separate? is that something that can be done with the Pro ISO?

    • @RobertMTeegarden
      @RobertMTeegarden  4 месяца назад

      Glad it was helpful and thank you the kind words. Only two mic line inputs are available.

  • @TechyTorres34
    @TechyTorres34 7 месяцев назад

    Thanks 🙏

  • @DanielHernandezCa
    @DanielHernandezCa Год назад +1

    Thanks!

  • @arturakhmetov3764
    @arturakhmetov3764 3 месяца назад

    Great tutorial. There is a way to crop the image that come from an hdmi source? I use my phone as one source to record an app screen but I can't get ride of some phone icon like battery, wifi, etc that stay on top of the image.

  • @Premier_lawns_official
    @Premier_lawns_official 11 месяцев назад

    This video has been beyond helpful, thank you. I can see myself rewatching it a few times!
    I'm about to start a podcast and have 3 Sony cameras. After watching this, it's a no-brainer to buy the ISO version of the Atem
    1 x ATEM Mini Pro ISO
    2 x Shure SM7B
    1 x Rodecaster pro 2
    Will I need a pc/laptop to record, and can I take the audio out of the rode into the Atem?

    • @RobertMTeegarden
      @RobertMTeegarden  11 месяцев назад +1

      So happy it was helpful! If you have a Rodecaster that’ll record the audio, you should pipe a line out of the monitor our headphone jack that goes into the Mic line of the ATEM. You’ll have audio in two different t places but have to sync in post, which is my preference.

    • @Premier_lawns_official
      @Premier_lawns_official 11 месяцев назад

      @@RobertMTeegarden thanks 👍

  • @minarimon3106
    @minarimon3106 10 месяцев назад

    What’s the maximum record resolution??
    And what’s the maximum live stream resolution ??

  • @theycallme_g
    @theycallme_g Год назад

    Great video!! Can I also add a zoom feed to the mix? Meaning record local and a zoom feed as well and add all footage to the se card ?

    • @RobertMTeegarden
      @RobertMTeegarden  Год назад

      Thanks! What we do is record audio to a Zoom or Rodecaster separately and run a line-out from those recorders into the ATEM Mic 1 or 2 as scratch audio to match up in post. Works like a charm.

  • @byronholman9228
    @byronholman9228 Год назад +1

    Can you replace your source videos in post with the native raw files from the individual cameras if you’re not using black Magic cameras in Divinchi Resolve?

    • @RobertMTeegarden
      @RobertMTeegarden  Год назад

      So I use Sony cameras. You can't record on camera while you're pushing to HDMI unless it's from an monitor out. The ISO has a setting where it will record the program feed as well as all four HDMI feeds giving you a program feed that has all of the camera switches you made during recording, but also the individual camera feeds. As we should in this video, you can bring all of those files into the NLE of your choice and make changes to the video before you export.

  • @TerryMurrayTalks
    @TerryMurrayTalks Год назад

    Thanks most useful.

  • @Coach_Chris_
    @Coach_Chris_ 10 месяцев назад

    Now what if I don’t want to record all of my cameras individually and only want the video file where the switcher is going between cameras. Would the other device be more feasible since I’m on a budget?

  • @potnik000
    @potnik000 Год назад

    Hey Robert...top video. Nobody talks about the details...How many GB was this 2 hours podcast (all 4 chanels + mix with other files)? For how long project (time) is 1 TB ssd drive? Tnx for answer!

    • @RobertMTeegarden
      @RobertMTeegarden  Год назад

      Thanks! Hour long is roughly ~50GB. I have a 1TB and it works perfect.

  • @essentialgaragetapepack
    @essentialgaragetapepack 3 месяца назад +1

    Which SSD Version did you use was normal San Disk or the extreme?

    • @RobertMTeegarden
      @RobertMTeegarden  3 месяца назад +1

      I use the 1TB Extremes. The grey and red ones.

    • @essentialgaragetapepack
      @essentialgaragetapepack 3 месяца назад

      @@RobertMTeegarden Thank you so much, I thought so, again great video. I look forward for more content from yourself.

  • @XOblivion97
    @XOblivion97 4 месяца назад

    Hey if you go with the route of no mixer will it still work

  • @jcastro502
    @jcastro502 10 месяцев назад

    Do I have to push the record button on each camera or does the ATEM automatically record the feed coming from each camera?

  • @nightingale3632
    @nightingale3632 13 дней назад

    Does the camera need to have clean HDMI output? Or you can use any camera?

    • @RobertMTeegarden
      @RobertMTeegarden  12 дней назад

      Clean HDMI as in no data on the feed? If so then yes.

  • @minarimon3106
    @minarimon3106 8 месяцев назад

    I have atem mini pro
    And the resulting video is very laggy regarding that my output is 4k and settings are 800 iso , shutter speed 1/50
    Any idea how do I solve the lagging problem ??

  • @williamnavea552
    @williamnavea552 2 месяца назад

    A question: In OBS, can you make camera changes synchronized with the sensitivity of the microphones? I do this with 3 cameras and 2 microphones connected to a mixer. Can this be done with Atem? There are 2 of us in a podcast and we do not have the support of a third party for camera changes. We are looking to simplify the post-production process. Thanks

    • @RobertMTeegarden
      @RobertMTeegarden  2 месяца назад

      Not on the switcher, no. Maybe something like AutoPod for Post?

  • @nda42831
    @nda42831 9 месяцев назад

    Question, let say I get the ATEM mini pro (not the ISO) when recording are my cameras still recording to the sd cards?

  • @pet1err
    @pet1err 3 месяца назад

    would you recommend the atem mini ( not pro, not pro ISO ) for live streaming ?

  • @Thesimplelifewithsam
    @Thesimplelifewithsam 10 месяцев назад

    hey dude, just exports in 1080 tho?? or proxy 4k??? thanks

  • @nix4ua
    @nix4ua 7 месяцев назад

    Do you recommend certain micro hdmi to hdmi cables that are longer than 15ft? Inputs 2-4 on my atem mini pro iso won’t show the camera feed on regular hdmi cables longer than 15-20ft

  • @gaips
    @gaips Год назад

    Will you do an updated version of this?

    • @RobertMTeegarden
      @RobertMTeegarden  Год назад +1

      What are you looking to see?

    • @gaips
      @gaips Год назад +1

      @@RobertMTeegarden an updated studio tour if you made changes.

  • @patrickrivers7491
    @patrickrivers7491 9 месяцев назад

    Does the Atem mini pro iso connect over network (NDI)

  • @kendrickjarias
    @kendrickjarias 6 месяцев назад

    Hello there, could you tell me is 1080p sufficient for decent quality for RUclips streaming or just general podcasting because all the Atem’s seem to only do 1080p, I mean, would it even be wise to record in 4K, if the Atem’s only processing in 1080p?

    • @RobertMTeegarden
      @RobertMTeegarden  6 месяцев назад +1

      1080 for RUclips and streaming is great.

  • @salderosalia2992
    @salderosalia2992 Год назад

    Is there a way to get a copy from the ATEM ISO to a computer HDD and to the externals simultaneously? Since there is only one USB C???

  • @jKHAHN215PA
    @jKHAHN215PA 9 месяцев назад

    8:30 do you need a monitor and be attached to the app in order to records using the atem?

  • @Victor60824
    @Victor60824 Год назад

    Hi Robert! Thanks for your info, very well explained. I have a doubt about the ATEM. I understand that the ATEM at the end of the recording is giving us the program and all the inputs recorded in 1920x1080 as it does not accept 4K but, as you, I do use Sony cameras that can record in 4K. Is there any chance to record the show to each camera to an SD card internally in 4K in case we want to edit and deliver the show in 4K to the client?. Thanks!

    • @RobertMTeegarden
      @RobertMTeegarden  Год назад

      Hey! Unfortunately, I haven't figured out how to record and send to the ATEM without blackout. Doesn't mean you can't but I haven't figured that out yet. Let me know if you get any more intel on this!

    • @thatsamuellu
      @thatsamuellu Год назад

      @@RobertMTeegarden I asked pretty much same question above, if it can't record 4k in ATEM, then the old fashion one might be the only solution which take tons of the work and leave the ATEM useless.

    • @RobertMTeegarden
      @RobertMTeegarden  Год назад

      @Sameul Lu - Just curious, does your client work necessitate 4K all the time? I think we get bogged down with 4K res but the client often doesn't care at all. It's also nice to not have to deal with those massive file sizes too.

  • @PolishedAudio
    @PolishedAudio Год назад

    Can you use a laptop to monitor the camera feeds or do you need a Ninja ATOMOS?

    • @RobertMTeegarden
      @RobertMTeegarden  Год назад

      You may. I just chose to use an external. BM has an entire software dedicated to the ATEM system.

  • @movingtovawv
    @movingtovawv Год назад

    Hey Robert! Thanks for posting this excellent video. I was curious if you could help with something. I'm hoping to use AutoPod with my 3 camera setup feeding into Rodecaster pro 2 + ATEM Mini Iso. AutoPod needs separate A/V tracks for each speaker. Is there any way you can think of to accomplish this straight from ATEM to SSD or PC?

    • @RobertMTeegarden
      @RobertMTeegarden  Год назад

      Hey Thank you for watching and the kind words. Curious, if you are using AutoPod to edit, why are you also using a switcher? Wouldn't the ATEM do the job of AutoPod at the time of recording?

    • @movingtovawv
      @movingtovawv Год назад

      @@RobertMTeegarden hey Robert! The reason I’d like to have the option is because I’m often going to be interviewing clients on camera podcast style and I won’t always have someone to man the ATEM in real time. Additionally I’d like to create form content where the jump cutting features in AutoPod will allow me to save significant time on editing.

    • @walterjohnson8192
      @walterjohnson8192 Год назад

      @@movingtovawv - We use separate mics and audio recordings through a Rodecaster Pro 2, which gives us separate, and better audio, but if you wanted, since I believe the ISO records separate camera audio tracks too, you could run your each speaker's microphone into one of the cameras so you would get the audio separated that way for AutoPod. Might not be the best audio, but it would be separate. Always best to record audio separately for best audio quality and best audio separation for things like AutoPod.

    • @movingtovawv
      @movingtovawv Год назад

      @@walterjohnson8192 thank you sir! Didn’t realize how much worse the audio sounds recorded to ISO tracks vs natively in the Rode.
      Been trying to get rid of the hissing as well, but seems we need a ground loop isolator or something similar

  • @Empirefilmzentertainment
    @Empirefilmzentertainment 2 месяца назад

    Lost me at the part with premiere, I use Final Cut Pro and Davinci

  • @xanderneal
    @xanderneal 4 месяца назад

    Why are you bringing in the external H6 recording when you have a feed already running into the Atem Mini?

    • @RobertMTeegarden
      @RobertMTeegarden  4 месяца назад +1

      Redundancy with audio is always a great idea, especially in a medium where audio is the primary output. Plus, it’s a cleaner feed with more data to work with/manipulate in post later.

    • @xanderneal
      @xanderneal 4 месяца назад

      Ok cool so you’ll just pick the cleanest audio and not use both in Premiere Pro?

    • @nesmithcreative
      @nesmithcreative 22 дня назад

      About this ⬆️ I gotta ask: why are your external audio files 44.1 from the Zoom, and not 48khz like the audio from your video files? Doesn’t this create unnecessary sync issues?

  • @ElijahAstonG
    @ElijahAstonG 3 месяца назад

    How can I make it record 4k the item has given me the worst quality possible do you manage to get real good quality or just 1080?

    • @RobertMTeegarden
      @RobertMTeegarden  3 месяца назад

      I do. It's has to be your output settings on your camera. What are you using? Camera, mode, settings etc.

  • @modernsuccesspodcast
    @modernsuccesspodcast 2 месяца назад

    Is there a reason why when I put the HDMI from the pocket black magic 4k into the ATEM Mini Pro Iso I can no longer record in 30fps only 24 fps now... ? Thanks

    • @RobertMTeegarden
      @RobertMTeegarden  2 месяца назад +1

      Have you looked at the settings through the BM application on a computer? You can configure all of that in there.

    • @modernsuccesspodcast
      @modernsuccesspodcast Месяц назад

      @@RobertMTeegarden I have yet to hook it up to a computer, but will try it out. thanks

  • @angelor3466
    @angelor3466 Год назад

    do you get a delay in the raw audio recording without syncing?

    • @RobertMTeegarden
      @RobertMTeegarden  Год назад

      Sometimes. You can nudge the audio in the BM software if that is happening for live. Otherwise, I just fix that in post with the audio I capture separately.

  • @matthewanthonio5988
    @matthewanthonio5988 Год назад

    Hey Robert, do you need to set our cameras to any specific frame rate for it to record? I tried using mine last time and the video was choppy. Im using Sony a6400 and a6600 as my cameras

    • @RobertMTeegarden
      @RobertMTeegarden  Год назад

      I haven't noticed anything related to that, Matthew but to be fair, I haven't experimented a bunch with anything other than 24 fps. What were you recording in? How long until you say issues with your video; right away or later in the recording?

  • @sufikhal
    @sufikhal Год назад

    hi i hve atem mini pro iso with 2 black magic 4k studio. i am planning to have just 1 ssd to record all via the atem mini pro iso. which ssd do you recommend? do note its 4k studio pro

  • @goodisanoun
    @goodisanoun Год назад

    Can I use an android phone as a camera input? How about a USBc webcam?

  • @guyver14322
    @guyver14322 Год назад

    Hello can someone please help me? I'm having troubles understanding camera setup for the mini pro. I have a sony A7c and A7iv connected to the atem mini pro, works great. But now my issue is the a7iv is recording the not only the image, but the camera Huds also, and how to get rid of the black bars on the camera display its recording a black square outline also.

    • @RobertMTeegarden
      @RobertMTeegarden  Год назад +1

      You need a clean feed for your HDMI output. That's why you're getting the huds. Also, your aspect ratio is probably 3:2 for the black bars. Pretty sure I go over that in this video (how to get a clean HDMI feed) but it's in your HDMI monitor settings in the menu.

  • @HonestArttsEntertainment
    @HonestArttsEntertainment Год назад

    why not just do a multicam edit from the begining before using plural?

  • @HonestArttsEntertainment
    @HonestArttsEntertainment Год назад

    It should NOT RECORD anything that was not supposed be recorded. It's crazy that black magic would record a file that you did not want to be recorded.