They literally had a roadmap The original creator to talk to So much material to pluck from freely And nah we get Bulma only vaguely hinted at with ONE highlighted streak of blue hair like That has to be deliberate disrespect.
I'm going to say something controversial. But idk. If you are going to adapt something to a different medium, then go all out and create something new using the broad strokes of the original as a blueprint. I've seen DragonBall. I LOVE DragonBall. If I wanted to watch or read DragonBall, I would stay home and watch and read DragonBall. Instead, I am going to the theater to watch an american adaptation of DragonBall. So things are going to be different. Different people working on the project all have their own ideas of how DragonBall should look. Some are just doing a job and have no idea what the source material is. Some are hard-core fans with a specific view in mind. You are not going to please everyone, considering even the fanbase is split on what DragonBall is to them. Some love the high intensity battles, some love the slice of life fun adventures, some view it only through the lens of Linkin Park amv's from when they were in highschool. 100 fans can't come to a consensus on what Dragonball would look like in live action. So just do the DragonBall thing that you've always wanted to do and let the chips fall where they may. DragonBall Evolution did not do that. DragonBall Evolution had no idea what it wanted to be. Is it a highschool coming-of-age superhero movie? Kinda. Is it a martialarts action flick? Kinda. Is it a cgi kung-fu fantasy? Kinda. Is it a retelling of the original DragonBall story? Kinda. Is it a modernization of the original? Kinda. Does it do any of these elements properly? lolnope. It feels both "safe" and unsure of what it actually wants to be. Justin Chatwin has fleeting moments of acting like Goku. But the script is so stale that it never let's him be that strange combination of nieve, stupid, aloof, heroic, happy, caring and badass that makes Goku who he is. There is a way to make this "Goku in highschool" plot work. But the movie never even tries to follow the broadstrokes or the blueprint Toriyama made. In fact they even reject Toriyama himself who was probably on board with creating an adaptation that was diffrent from his work. If there is anyone who could write his way out a million plotholes it's Akira Toriyama. That man made "writing by the seat of your pants" a god damn artform. He could have probably helped figure this thing out and give it direction.
@@dn22pkkdd476 I agree. I know 'not being faithful' is something that's a sore point for many people but the term 'pragmatic adaption' exists for a reason. Adaptions balance a fine line between being 'faithful' and being 'it's own thing'. Besides, we already have a (kinda) faithful adaption of Dragon Ball, that's just the anime. The problem with Evolution wasn't that it had a different approach, but rather that it didn't even try to do it well. There's many adaptations that have learnt to be faithful, yet it's own thing. The MCU was faithful but it also took it's own steps. Or for a more recent example the Sonic movies adapt the games reasonably faithfully but there's still details that makes the movies their own continuity rather than just a carbon copy of the games. Hell for a more controversial pick we have the first Transformers movie which only really follows the original lore in broad strokes but it _was_ successful (even if it wasn't the best). I like it when things are faithful but I would be lying to say some stuff shouldn't be changed. Especially for Live Action adaptations. It's one thing for animated/anime adaptions like the actual Dragon Ball anime or something like Invincible where it's far easier to adapt extremely faithfully -- like near 1:1 identical scenes but if I had an anime/manga/comic with a plot as out there as Dragon Ball, I would be lying if I didn't say that changing things for a live action adaptation could be a good idea. Like, even now I still think a good Live Action Dragon Ball could really be a good idea, especially if you want to reintroduce the franchise to newer generations. Like, I love Dragon Ball as it is but as of right now most kids are just going to be jumping into Super or Daima which isn't bad but a good live action could really help retread the old plot for newer audiences and get them accustomed with Goku's origins rather than just jumping onto Super. Also could help reinvigorate interest for newer audiences like how the Sonic movies has done for the Sonic franchise.
Even if the rejected idea of Dragonball evolution went through people would still complain about it take resident evil welcome to raccoon city for example it’s more faithful to the games and then you have the Karen’s known as the Paul Anderson resident evil fans trying to hate on it which they failed because it’s confirmed that welcome to raccoon city is going to be getting a sequel
One cool thing to come from this movie was that James Marsters was a Dragon Ball fan and felt bad that this movie was bad so he voiced Zamasu in the Super dub
ya he such a huge fan he stayed on after knowing how far off the lore it went and disrespected toriyamas creation. and hyped for the sequels. knowing it wouldnt do dbz justice either. ya bravo marsters, bravo. lol but ya $$$ always win over for these guys in the end. same thing with the dude who play goku in this. he was also a supposed fan. but didnt hear any complaints from that guy. so i guess some respect for marsters. at least out of this sad hollywood attempt came toriyamas passion for dragonball again rip toriyama...
@@ssppeeaarr Reminds of Transformers Rise of the Beast where the director claimed to love Beast Wars but just made up nonsense during interviews because he clearly never watched it.
This is always a really funny fact to point out. But arguably the much funnier thing to come out of this movie in my opinion is the fact that Toriyama (allegedly) came back from retirement because this movie was simply THAT bad.
I still have no idea why they didn't look at the lord of the rings success at the time and tried to do a whimsical journey to the west adaptation, instead they went with a teen drama
1:08 that's actually not true, nor is that exactly how it happened. Toriyama wasn't "angry" or "furious" about Dragonball Evolution, and he wasn't nearly as harsh as everyone else is on it (Hell, Chris Sabat hates the movie FAR more than Toriyama does), in fact, he actually had a FEW complimentary things to day about it, but ultimately he WAS merely a bit disappointed with it and felt it missed the mark. He was grateful to it's existence for showing there was at least still INTEREST in his work globally, and felt that because of that, AND because he felt Evolution missed the mark that he was going to continue work on the series. His motivation was mainly due to Dragon Ball being talked about again and being a source of worldwide conversation again, which is why he decided to come back to the series after his long time away from it. Basically, it wasn't SPITE that fueled his return, it was simple acknowledgement that his work wasn't done and that he felt the interest was there, and it was only a SIDE motivation of his to course-correct the perception of his series. He didn't hate the movie, he was just a bit disappointed in some aspects he didn't like, while he actually kind of liked some other aspects, and decided that it was the best time to return. Just, as many people do, they over-dramatize the situation and attribute a lot of misinformation to Toriyama's opinions. It just needs to be known that it wasn't spite for the movie that caused his return, it was just that the existence of the movie to a global audience reminded him that his work was not yet done.
Thank you for this. Dragonball fandom is full of rumours that were debunked ages ago but people still cling to it. The worst one is is easily "backlash from Goku fans is why Gohan didn't become the main character in the Buu saga".
In 2013 during an interview with Asashi Shinbum they specifically asked Toriyama what motivated him to participate in the production of Battle of Gods, and in response to that Toriyama explicitly mentioned that it was because during the production of Dragon Ball Evolution he was completely ignored and the final result "didn't live up to my expectations". Also, in the theatrical program booklet that was released in Japan alongside BoG he literally says "...it was greatly different from a certain country’s live-action movie, which really was *no good* " , obviously reffering to Evolution. You're right that DBE wasn't the only motivation for Toriyama to return to his franchise, maybe instead of saying "angry" I could've used another word like "upset", but the point would've still been the same: Toriyama had really negative feelings towards Evolution, and his negative experience during the production of that movie was one of the biggest motivations for him to get involved with Dragon Ball once again after he found out that Toei was making a new theatrical DB movie. dbzeta.net/threads/dragon-ball-z-battle-of-gods-theatrical-program-booklet-translated.25859/ www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/asahi-shimbun-digital-akira-toriyama-interview/
@anomynous879 The buu saga highlights Toriyama's favoritism towards Goku. The saga is poorly paced the gotenks fusion did nothing Gohan got absorbed into buu making mystic a usless transformation.
@@Legion849 True, but it was eventually his own choice to bring Goku back. Also I think it's fitting that the protagonist since chapter 1 is the one that defeats the final villian of the original manga.
Around the early 2010's a RUclips channel had made some live-action DBZ shorts that were hugely successful and they later wanted to make a full on web-series based on the Sayian Saga. They went about trying to get permission from 20th Century Fox and they found out that Toei never actually sold the rights to DBZ, only DB and that was why Evolution was primary based on those early stories. This could also explain why a sequel was never made.
A live action Dragon ball Not Z could work with people who are actually fans of the Manga/show if only they stuck to some of the material and had the actors at the right age and good effects also if you didn’t know Stephen Chow was a producer on the movie sadly if he directed it it probably would have been better he’s most know for Journey to the West, Kungfu Hustle, etc
Dragon Ball can work in live action. It's just that most people, including fans, don't understand both the series and Goku. What makes Dragon Ball so great is that it's goofy, filled with fun adventures and wacky characters, but it's also serious, filled with stakes and larger-than-life battles. Unlike many Western stories, Dragon Ball and many other manga don't use the traditional hero's journey; instead, they use Kishotenketsu. Contrary to what the dub might have you think, Goku is not a hero-well, at least not a Western hero-and that's what people don't get about Dragon Ball. Goku is a fun, goofy character who wants to go on adventures and get stronger. He does have a traditional character arc, but the world and characters around him do. This may sound weird for those who have only watched Z and Super, but a road trip-style action-adventure movie set in the world of Dragon Ball can 100% work. I think DBZ just isn't made to be condensed into a bunch of 2-hour-long films. Not that you can't work around that; just look at One Piece. As long as the main story beats and heart of the story are intact, you can have a great live-action adaptation. There are a few fan made live action dbz projects that I think are really worth looking into. ruclips.net/video/Y9qRbQRne20/видео.htmlsi=s64PT513nfyGX4As ruclips.net/video/HM20wwzl4Ds/видео.htmlsi=O54Bx5dfjc1igaIv ruclips.net/video/FwJU5DKdM6s/видео.htmlsi=P6bPoo8xR6EE1Y41
Here’s another interesting fact did you know that the actor Tom Welling was almost cast as Goku in Dragonball Evolution as in Tom Welling the guy that played Clark Kent in the series smallville ya he was almost cast as Goku for Dragonball Evolution
@@GLUBNOIRnot only that but the movie tried to cram the entire plot of dragon ball into one film and rushed to get to z honestly that rejected script sounded better than what we got
I had heard that in Dragonball Evolution 2 they wanted to have Super Saiyan appear which Hell No ! , Super Saiyan doesn't appear until the Frieza Saga so they would have rushed to get to Super Saiyan, yeah thank God this sequel never happened 🤦
Actually there was no super saiyan for the sequel the only thing that was confirmed about dragon ball evolution 2 was that it was solely going to based off of the saiyan saga of dragon ball z
You know what? Sure I would actually give it a shot if they made a Dragon Ball Evolution 2 Keep the same actors but make it way more close to the original material. In both characters, story, and designs. Make it fun!
I saw this movie on one of those premium movie channels in like 2013 when I was about 12. I was a huge DBZ fan but had never heard of it so I was extremely confused by what the hell I was watching and thought I made it up in my mind for a few years until I saw people online talking about it
I'm so glad that the man who played Piccolo in this movie, would get his redemption role in the form of Zamasu later in Dragon ball super. So glad he was able to actually show his talents as he is an actual fan.
I might get bullied for this or whatever but I actually liked the DBE movie, I wish they would have went more into stuff like the elements, and characters like fuller,weaver,emi,seki and her daughter, the mystics, ancient masters, sifu, agundas and lord piccolos new form neo piccolo, and if they did a second movie I would have loved to see DBE Gohan, and I think weaver was the krillin of the movie and I would definitely love to see the good fu-lum
There was a guy back then named Stormsink or as he is called now by Robert Storms that liked Dragonball Evolution but he was so Toxic about k&k productions live action dbz Saiyan saga trailer trying to attack people for liking that trailer over the Dragonball Evolution film the only thing that I actually agreed with him on was the fact that Goku doesn’t have to be Asian
Battle of gods already existed before toriyama became involved with it. It was also a big hit with audiences. Studios would have just made super with or without toriyama, but it would likely have looked very different. Point is, evolution had nothing to do with supers creation.
these clowns deserved their failure. if you ignore the creator, and refuse to give him a voice in the movie? all you're doing is just wasting money on a pompous self indulgent western trash pit they made with no awareness of what made DragonBall loved.
@Chillin-jg8vg fr I despise when companies think they can take a well known series and go "we not listening to the creator we're gonna make what we think is good and people will watch"...and 100% of the time it fails. Companies need to listen to what the creator tells them to make and keep their "creative ideas" to themselves.
I just watched Dragon Ball evolution yesterday and wow yeah it really sucked. But the way you mentioned how the story would’ve gone through and the concert art look much better than the final product. This made my day better. Thank you. 🙏
When you realize China made their own take on Dragon Ball 17 years prior and it's actually way better than DB Evolution. The movie is called Dragon Ball: The Magic Begins.
In "Super History Book" from 2016, Toriyama was quoted as saying this: "I had put Dragon Ball behind me, but seeing how much that live-action film ticked me off, and how I revised that script for the anime movie and complained about the quality of the TV anime, I suppose somewhere along the line it’s become a series I like too much to ever leave alone."
Alright I love the Schumacher Batmans from Nostalgia but I feel it is wholly unfair to compare that to DBE. Batman Forever and... & Robin may have been extraordinarily goofy but, they didn't seem to outright disrespect the property. I mean come on we know Adam West exists; it's FINE for Batman to be goofy, let's keep it a buck. Yeah they're not "good" but, they were fun. Dragon Ball Evolution is not fun. Just frustrating. Hope this makes sense.
I'm gonna take a shot in the dark and guess that Evolution 2 would have made the Saiyans be like some ancient clan of humans that got banished off the earth thousands of years ago or whatever.
I remember seeing a video a few years ago about the little information available about DBE 2. I don't know the sources of this video, but I think it was on an MDB page, well it was more or less this as far as I remember: the film would start with a quick montage recapping the Red Ribbon arcs and the Tenshihan tournament, yes, they would do that and it looks like a DBE adaptation. anyway, the film would jump straight to the arrival of Raditz and, according to what I remember from the video, he would be played by none other than Robert Pattinson, can you imagine that shit? Robert Pattinson would be doubly hated in the 2010s, the guy just can't catch a break. Everything would follow according to the story and Vegeta would arrive on land, that's right guys, this film would jump directly to adapting the Saiyan saga. I'm not sure about this part, but apparently Vegeta would end the arc teaming up with Goku, perhaps because they didn't have enough screen time to develop all the characters, which is a shame. Vegeta has an incredible arc. The end of the film would be a turning point for the Freeza saga, showing the planet Namekusei. I don't know how much of this is true or not, but I like to believe that it all is. Like, can you imagine? It would be wild! Edit: I really believed this information because the way she describes the adaptation seems a lot like what is shown in the first film, in addition, Vegeta's actor was an unknown actor, from what I remember he was a martial artist too. A little-known actor just like Goku. I'll try to look for the video and come back here to say the actor's name. Edit 2: I went searching. The source is actually an IMDB page that is now down. The sequel would be called Dragon Ball Rebirth, and it would be much crazier than I remembered, the film would adapt not one, but 3 sagas. The Red Ribbon arc, the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai, would end with the arrival of Rabitz, who was the final villain. I also gathered some information about the possible cast, most of them are unknown actors. but what I found most interesting was Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa as Kamisama, that would be interesting to say the least. And Vegeta's actor would be Matt Mullins, an actor, stuntman and martial artist. It would probably be pretty bad, but I'm not going to lie, I was interested in all of this, I would see this film.
The thing is, Evolution is an adaptation of Dragon Ball, not Z. It needed to have a kid(or teenager for more mass appeal) Goku, Krillin and Bulma going on a Adventure to get the Dragon Balls, fighting Piccolo or Pilaf by the end.
If they ever try to do it again, they should start with the Saiyan Saga, then Frieza, Cell and Buu. After that maybe consider diving into prequels covering OG Dragon Ball.
Honestly I feel rather bad for a lot of the actors in the movie. Reading a lot of their statements and interviews, it seemed like a good number of them were fans or at the very least were willing to respect the source material.
honestly i wanna see the script for the scrapped sequel. i wonder if there's an easy way to reach out to ben ramsey (cause i assume he worked on it or something).
Never knew they considered George Lucas to direct. He probably could've pulled off Dragon Ball's more whimsical/mythological qualities (Star Wars is already a kitchen sink of world mythology & film genres) instead of shying away from them like the final product. Zack Snyder on the other hand 100% could have gotten Dragon Ball's action down to a T.
that look on the thumbnail, I think that design is a dragon-like being, as it is DRAGON ball. Totally unthinkable in manga-sense as it will cheapen the main character.
The thing that still bogging me why they cant make master roshi bald& wrinkle in first time i mean chou yun fat are completely bald in pirates of the carribean part 3 as sao feng So why they can make him bald in dragon ball evolutions
Hell yeah dude, both Speed Racer and Sin City are awesome. Robert Rodriguez is a great director and he could've potentially done a good job, but I was specifically talking about action scenes. The fights between the kryptonians in MoS are the closest translation of Shonen style fights we've seen in live action yet, no other movie has really shown super powered beings having such large scale hand to hand fights.
@@cinemaarts8795Zack would have been a terrible choice for a dbz live action movie if he had the ability to direct one he has no good track record regarding movies the only good movie he has made was watchmen and he hasn’t even made a good decent movie since
Funny thing is, there are two other live action Dragon Ball movies out there which, though were made in foreign countries, are far more faithful to Toriyama's vision than this piece of trash they call a film.
Just make a sequel to Evolution and Toriyama would literally come out of hell , get back to life and write an entirely new story separate from Super and Diama 😅😅😅
when will they learn pep want the live action to be like the anime or video games i mean all the fails with resident evil and such but then one piece sticks close to the source material and pep loved it they are just so stupid
@@maximillianx1395 because no one gives a single fuck about what you got to say they'll watched even if it's bad . They don't care they'll enjoy because they love it .
@@maximillianx1395no we love them because we like them news flash people have different tastes then you chase trust me from my end anyone who doesn't like super and daima is stupid
The rejected idea for this was being an actual faithful adaptation of the work
Absolutely
They literally had a roadmap
The original creator to talk to
So much material to pluck from freely
And nah we get Bulma only vaguely hinted at with ONE highlighted streak of blue hair like
That has to be deliberate disrespect.
I'm going to say something controversial. But idk. If you are going to adapt something to a different medium, then go all out and create something new using the broad strokes of the original as a blueprint. I've seen DragonBall. I LOVE DragonBall. If I wanted to watch or read DragonBall, I would stay home and watch and read DragonBall. Instead, I am going to the theater to watch an american adaptation of DragonBall. So things are going to be different. Different people working on the project all have their own ideas of how DragonBall should look. Some are just doing a job and have no idea what the source material is. Some are hard-core fans with a specific view in mind. You are not going to please everyone, considering even the fanbase is split on what DragonBall is to them. Some love the high intensity battles, some love the slice of life fun adventures, some view it only through the lens of Linkin Park amv's from when they were in highschool. 100 fans can't come to a consensus on what Dragonball would look like in live action. So just do the DragonBall thing that you've always wanted to do and let the chips fall where they may.
DragonBall Evolution did not do that. DragonBall Evolution had no idea what it wanted to be. Is it a highschool coming-of-age superhero movie? Kinda. Is it a martialarts action flick? Kinda. Is it a cgi kung-fu fantasy? Kinda. Is it a retelling of the original DragonBall story? Kinda. Is it a modernization of the original? Kinda. Does it do any of these elements properly? lolnope. It feels both "safe" and unsure of what it actually wants to be. Justin Chatwin has fleeting moments of acting like Goku. But the script is so stale that it never let's him be that strange combination of nieve, stupid, aloof, heroic, happy, caring and badass that makes Goku who he is. There is a way to make this "Goku in highschool" plot work. But the movie never even tries to follow the broadstrokes or the blueprint Toriyama made. In fact they even reject Toriyama himself who was probably on board with creating an adaptation that was diffrent from his work. If there is anyone who could write his way out a million plotholes it's Akira Toriyama. That man made "writing by the seat of your pants" a god damn artform. He could have probably helped figure this thing out and give it direction.
@@dn22pkkdd476 I agree. I know 'not being faithful' is something that's a sore point for many people but the term 'pragmatic adaption' exists for a reason. Adaptions balance a fine line between being 'faithful' and being 'it's own thing'. Besides, we already have a (kinda) faithful adaption of Dragon Ball, that's just the anime.
The problem with Evolution wasn't that it had a different approach, but rather that it didn't even try to do it well.
There's many adaptations that have learnt to be faithful, yet it's own thing. The MCU was faithful but it also took it's own steps. Or for a more recent example the Sonic movies adapt the games reasonably faithfully but there's still details that makes the movies their own continuity rather than just a carbon copy of the games. Hell for a more controversial pick we have the first Transformers movie which only really follows the original lore in broad strokes but it _was_ successful (even if it wasn't the best).
I like it when things are faithful but I would be lying to say some stuff shouldn't be changed. Especially for Live Action adaptations. It's one thing for animated/anime adaptions like the actual Dragon Ball anime or something like Invincible where it's far easier to adapt extremely faithfully -- like near 1:1 identical scenes but if I had an anime/manga/comic with a plot as out there as Dragon Ball, I would be lying if I didn't say that changing things for a live action adaptation could be a good idea.
Like, even now I still think a good Live Action Dragon Ball could really be a good idea, especially if you want to reintroduce the franchise to newer generations. Like, I love Dragon Ball as it is but as of right now most kids are just going to be jumping into Super or Daima which isn't bad but a good live action could really help retread the old plot for newer audiences and get them accustomed with Goku's origins rather than just jumping onto Super. Also could help reinvigorate interest for newer audiences like how the Sonic movies has done for the Sonic franchise.
Even if the rejected idea of Dragonball evolution went through people would still complain about it take resident evil welcome to raccoon city for example it’s more faithful to the games and then you have the Karen’s known as the Paul Anderson resident evil fans trying to hate on it which they failed because it’s confirmed that welcome to raccoon city is going to be getting a sequel
One cool thing to come from this movie was that James Marsters was a Dragon Ball fan and felt bad that this movie was bad so he voiced Zamasu in the Super dub
ya he such a huge fan he stayed on after knowing how far off the lore it went and disrespected toriyamas creation.
and hyped for the sequels. knowing it wouldnt do dbz justice either. ya bravo marsters, bravo.
lol but ya $$$ always win over for these guys in the end. same thing with the dude who play goku in this. he was
also a supposed fan. but didnt hear any complaints from that guy. so i guess some respect for marsters.
at least out of this sad hollywood attempt came toriyamas passion for dragonball again
rip toriyama...
@@ssppeeaarr Reminds of Transformers Rise of the Beast where the director claimed to love Beast Wars but just made up nonsense during interviews because he clearly never watched it.
Tbf his piccolo was the best parts of that movie
This is always a really funny fact to point out.
But arguably the much funnier thing to come out of this movie in my opinion is the fact that Toriyama (allegedly) came back from retirement because this movie was simply THAT bad.
lolno
I still have no idea why they didn't look at the lord of the rings success at the time and tried to do a whimsical journey to the west adaptation, instead they went with a teen drama
You mean, an adaptation of early Dragon Ball? Which, I would've liked to have seen
I've sayed this everywhere if they made a dragonball set with kid goku it would sell out. Whether cgi pixar movie or real life it would work
1:08 that's actually not true, nor is that exactly how it happened. Toriyama wasn't "angry" or "furious" about Dragonball Evolution, and he wasn't nearly as harsh as everyone else is on it (Hell, Chris Sabat hates the movie FAR more than Toriyama does), in fact, he actually had a FEW complimentary things to day about it, but ultimately he WAS merely a bit disappointed with it and felt it missed the mark. He was grateful to it's existence for showing there was at least still INTEREST in his work globally, and felt that because of that, AND because he felt Evolution missed the mark that he was going to continue work on the series. His motivation was mainly due to Dragon Ball being talked about again and being a source of worldwide conversation again, which is why he decided to come back to the series after his long time away from it.
Basically, it wasn't SPITE that fueled his return, it was simple acknowledgement that his work wasn't done and that he felt the interest was there, and it was only a SIDE motivation of his to course-correct the perception of his series. He didn't hate the movie, he was just a bit disappointed in some aspects he didn't like, while he actually kind of liked some other aspects, and decided that it was the best time to return.
Just, as many people do, they over-dramatize the situation and attribute a lot of misinformation to Toriyama's opinions. It just needs to be known that it wasn't spite for the movie that caused his return, it was just that the existence of the movie to a global audience reminded him that his work was not yet done.
Thank you for this. Dragonball fandom is full of rumours that were debunked ages ago but people still cling to it. The worst one is is easily "backlash from Goku fans is why Gohan didn't become the main character in the Buu saga".
In 2013 during an interview with Asashi Shinbum they specifically asked Toriyama what motivated him to participate in the production of Battle of Gods, and in response to that Toriyama explicitly mentioned that it was because during the production of Dragon Ball Evolution he was completely ignored and the final result "didn't live up to my expectations".
Also, in the theatrical program booklet that was released in Japan alongside BoG he literally says "...it was greatly different from a certain country’s live-action movie, which really was *no good* " , obviously reffering to Evolution.
You're right that DBE wasn't the only motivation for Toriyama to return to his franchise, maybe instead of saying "angry" I could've used another word like "upset", but the point would've still been the same: Toriyama had really negative feelings towards Evolution, and his negative experience during the production of that movie was one of the biggest motivations for him to get involved with Dragon Ball once again after he found out that Toei was making a new theatrical DB movie.
dbzeta.net/threads/dragon-ball-z-battle-of-gods-theatrical-program-booklet-translated.25859/
www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/asahi-shimbun-digital-akira-toriyama-interview/
@anomynous879 The buu saga highlights Toriyama's favoritism towards Goku. The saga is poorly paced the gotenks fusion did nothing Gohan got absorbed into buu making mystic a usless transformation.
@@Legion849 True, but it was eventually his own choice to bring Goku back. Also I think it's fitting that the protagonist since chapter 1 is the one that defeats the final villian of the original manga.
To be fair, Toriyama liked almost anything, despite quality, lol. He loved GT and you almost never see he talk negatively about anything.
Around the early 2010's a RUclips channel had made some live-action DBZ shorts that were hugely successful and they later wanted to make a full on web-series based on the Sayian Saga. They went about trying to get permission from 20th Century Fox and they found out that Toei never actually sold the rights to DBZ, only DB and that was why Evolution was primary based on those early stories. This could also explain why a sequel was never made.
They did? Where can I watch this web series?
@@GLUBNOIR The channel is called K&K Productions
Thts even worse because a dragonball with kid goku would sell like alot of tickets
the thumbnail looks the a prototype of the super saiyan 10 fan art
I just love the idea Pilaf being Piccolo incognito that's a great twist
I remember as a kid I had the dbz movies so starting with og dragon ball I was waiting for that twist 😅
Snyder has openly said that the fight and Man of Steel was based off of DBZ.
A live action Dragon ball Not Z could work with people who are actually fans of the Manga/show if only they stuck to some of the material and had the actors at the right age and good effects also if you didn’t know Stephen Chow was a producer on the movie sadly if he directed it it probably would have been better he’s most know for Journey to the West, Kungfu Hustle, etc
Btw the video does state what I said as well just giving my thoughts on it
Dragon Ball can work in live action. It's just that most people, including fans, don't understand both the series and Goku. What makes Dragon Ball so great is that it's goofy, filled with fun adventures and wacky characters, but it's also serious, filled with stakes and larger-than-life battles.
Unlike many Western stories, Dragon Ball and many other manga don't use the traditional hero's journey; instead, they use Kishotenketsu. Contrary to what the dub might have you think, Goku is not a hero-well, at least not a Western hero-and that's what people don't get about Dragon Ball. Goku is a fun, goofy character who wants to go on adventures and get stronger. He does have a traditional character arc, but the world and characters around him do.
This may sound weird for those who have only watched Z and Super, but a road trip-style action-adventure movie set in the world of Dragon Ball can 100% work.
I think DBZ just isn't made to be condensed into a bunch of 2-hour-long films. Not that you can't work around that; just look at One Piece. As long as the main story beats and heart of the story are intact, you can have a great live-action adaptation.
There are a few fan made live action dbz projects that I think are really worth looking into.
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Thank you. You get it.
Here’s another interesting fact did you know that the actor Tom Welling was almost cast as Goku in Dragonball Evolution as in Tom Welling the guy that played Clark Kent in the series smallville ya he was almost cast as Goku for Dragonball Evolution
Man, this movie was a train wreck 🤦
@@GLUBNOIRnot only that but the movie tried to cram the entire plot of dragon ball into one film and rushed to get to z honestly that rejected script sounded better than what we got
Oh wow that would've been awesome
Vídeo idea: the rejected ideas of young justice (2010)
Banger video fam
The original 2004 script sounds interesting, if not tolerable than the final product.
I had heard that in Dragonball Evolution 2 they wanted to have Super Saiyan appear which Hell No ! , Super Saiyan doesn't appear until the Frieza Saga so they would have rushed to get to Super Saiyan, yeah thank God this sequel never happened 🤦
Damn I didn't know about that! Thank God they never got the chance to do it lmao
@@SantiBarrios i know right, we dodged a major bullet Lol
Actually there was no super saiyan for the sequel the only thing that was confirmed about dragon ball evolution 2 was that it was solely going to based off of the saiyan saga of dragon ball z
"kammy house"
That's a new one.
100milly budget for a DB movie woulda been wilddd lol
Yeah, you know, it's bad when the original creator is horrified for what you did to they're artwork.
0:10 Can’t wait for Dragonball daima to get its own animated movie someday like the other shows
Thanks bro, been wanting someone to make a vid one this!
10:00 Those designs look more like DOOM concept art.
You know what? Sure
I would actually give it a shot if they made a Dragon Ball Evolution 2
Keep the same actors but make it way more close to the original material. In both characters, story, and designs. Make it fun!
I saw this movie on one of those premium movie channels in like 2013 when I was about 12. I was a huge DBZ fan but had never heard of it so I was extremely confused by what the hell I was watching and thought I made it up in my mind for a few years until I saw people online talking about it
I'm so glad that the man who played Piccolo in this movie, would get his redemption role in the form of Zamasu later in Dragon ball super. So glad he was able to actually show his talents as he is an actual fan.
I might get bullied for this or whatever but I actually liked the DBE movie, I wish they would have went more into stuff like the elements, and characters like fuller,weaver,emi,seki and her daughter, the mystics, ancient masters, sifu, agundas and lord piccolos new form neo piccolo, and if they did a second movie I would have loved to see DBE Gohan, and I think weaver was the krillin of the movie and I would definitely love to see the good fu-lum
There was a guy back then named Stormsink or as he is called now by Robert Storms that liked Dragonball Evolution but he was so Toxic about k&k productions live action dbz Saiyan saga trailer trying to attack people for liking that trailer over the Dragonball Evolution film the only thing that I actually agreed with him on was the fact that Goku doesn’t have to be Asian
@rabbitcorp Agreed! I liked this movie too, and those elements were my favorite.
Battle of gods already existed before toriyama became involved with it. It was also a big hit with audiences. Studios would have just made super with or without toriyama, but it would likely have looked very different. Point is, evolution had nothing to do with supers creation.
these clowns deserved their failure. if you ignore the creator, and refuse to give him a voice in the movie? all you're doing is just wasting money on a pompous self indulgent western trash pit they made with no awareness of what made DragonBall loved.
The movie was just made to cash on Dragon Ball's popularity
@Chillin-jg8vg fr I despise when companies think they can take a well known series and go "we not listening to the creator we're gonna make what we think is good and people will watch"...and 100% of the time it fails. Companies need to listen to what the creator tells them to make and keep their "creative ideas" to themselves.
I just watched Dragon Ball evolution yesterday and wow yeah it really sucked. But the way you mentioned how the story would’ve gone through and the concert art look much better than the final product. This made my day better. Thank you. 🙏
I would have loved to never have Nolan's trilogy
When you realize China made their own take on Dragon Ball 17 years prior and it's actually way better than DB Evolution. The movie is called Dragon Ball: The Magic Begins.
That movie is silly but still respected the source
The whole movie should've been canceled.
Or changed to be good
0:58 pure conjecture, citation needed
In "Super History Book" from 2016, Toriyama was quoted as saying this:
"I had put Dragon Ball behind me, but seeing how much that live-action film ticked me off, and how I revised that script for the anime movie and complained about the quality of the TV anime, I suppose somewhere along the line it’s become a series I like too much to ever leave alone."
Citation found.
They should've gotten Edgar Wright to direct
Alright I love the Schumacher Batmans from Nostalgia but I feel it is wholly unfair to compare that to DBE. Batman Forever and... & Robin may have been extraordinarily goofy but, they didn't seem to outright disrespect the property.
I mean come on we know Adam West exists; it's FINE for Batman to be goofy, let's keep it a buck. Yeah they're not "good" but, they were fun.
Dragon Ball Evolution is not fun. Just frustrating. Hope this makes sense.
8:44 Bro thats just Darth Maul 🤣🤣🤣
I get offended by the idea that the Evolution Piccolo is a cheap knockoff of the mask.
He is clearly a cheap knockoff of the Martian Manhunter
I'm gonna take a shot in the dark and guess that Evolution 2 would have made the Saiyans be like some ancient clan of humans that got banished off the earth thousands of years ago or whatever.
I remember seeing a video a few years ago about the little information available about DBE 2. I don't know the sources of this video, but I think it was on an MDB page, well it was more or less this as far as I remember: the film would start with a quick montage recapping the Red Ribbon arcs and the Tenshihan tournament, yes, they would do that and it looks like a DBE adaptation. anyway, the film would jump straight to the arrival of Raditz and, according to what I remember from the video, he would be played by none other than Robert Pattinson, can you imagine that shit? Robert Pattinson would be doubly hated in the 2010s, the guy just can't catch a break. Everything would follow according to the story and Vegeta would arrive on land, that's right guys, this film would jump directly to adapting the Saiyan saga. I'm not sure about this part, but apparently Vegeta would end the arc teaming up with Goku, perhaps because they didn't have enough screen time to develop all the characters, which is a shame. Vegeta has an incredible arc. The end of the film would be a turning point for the Freeza saga, showing the planet Namekusei. I don't know how much of this is true or not, but I like to believe that it all is. Like, can you imagine? It would be wild!
Edit: I really believed this information because the way she describes the adaptation seems a lot like what is shown in the first film, in addition, Vegeta's actor was an unknown actor, from what I remember he was a martial artist too. A little-known actor just like Goku. I'll try to look for the video and come back here to say the actor's name.
Edit 2: I went searching. The source is actually an IMDB page that is now down. The sequel would be called Dragon Ball Rebirth, and it would be much crazier than I remembered, the film would adapt not one, but 3 sagas. The Red Ribbon arc, the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai, would end with the arrival of Rabitz, who was the final villain. I also gathered some information about the possible cast, most of them are unknown actors. but what I found most interesting was Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa as Kamisama, that would be interesting to say the least. And Vegeta's actor would be Matt Mullins, an actor, stuntman and martial artist. It would probably be pretty bad, but I'm not going to lie, I was interested in all of this, I would see this film.
The thing is, Evolution is an adaptation of Dragon Ball, not Z. It needed to have a kid(or teenager for more mass appeal) Goku, Krillin and Bulma going on a Adventure to get the Dragon Balls, fighting Piccolo or Pilaf by the end.
That “Oozaru” picture had been circulating online once the movie was announced.
Blood pronounced every actors name wrong 😭
I don't want to see a dragon ball evolution sequel… but I can't deny I am curious what it would be like
Tbh it looked like they were planning a DB Evolutions x Super Mario Bros with how that thumbnail looked to me
If they ever try to do it again, they should start with the Saiyan Saga, then Frieza, Cell and Buu. After that maybe consider diving into prequels covering OG Dragon Ball.
Honestly I feel rather bad for a lot of the actors in the movie. Reading a lot of their statements and interviews, it seemed like a good number of them were fans or at the very least were willing to respect the source material.
honestly i wanna see the script for the scrapped sequel. i wonder if there's an easy way to reach out to ben ramsey (cause i assume he worked on it or something).
If you collected all the toys they came with parts of what you could turn into the original oozaru design in saiyan armor.
Never knew they considered George Lucas to direct. He probably could've pulled off Dragon Ball's more whimsical/mythological qualities (Star Wars is already a kitchen sink of world mythology & film genres) instead of shying away from them like the final product. Zack Snyder on the other hand 100% could have gotten Dragon Ball's action down to a T.
LET'S GO JUSTIIIIIN
Thanks to this monstrous abomination we will never ever have a live-action Dragonball movie.. At least not anytime soon.
Dragon Ball Super a great success? Probably monetarily speaking, but it was pretty hated by many.
Kinda not really dragon ball super is also loved by man, hell the final ep was played live in front of thousands in mexico
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean everyone else did
Yo, that thumbnail looks like Toad from the live-action Super Mario Bros.
that look on the thumbnail, I think that design is a dragon-like being, as it is DRAGON ball.
Totally unthinkable in manga-sense as it will cheapen the main character.
You mean tp tell me that we almost got a Dragon Ball movie directed by _Stephen_ _Chow_ ?
Damn it that sounds so much cooler :(
The thing that still bogging me why they cant make master roshi bald& wrinkle in first time i mean chou yun fat are completely bald in pirates of the carribean part 3 as sao feng
So why they can make him bald in dragon ball evolutions
think they should make the second one
the first one is so well known and second one even now would still work
or just leak the second script
you say robert rodriguez on there and thought zack snyder was the closest to making a good anime movie? Did you watch speed racer? Sin city even?
Hell yeah dude, both Speed Racer and Sin City are awesome. Robert Rodriguez is a great director and he could've potentially done a good job, but I was specifically talking about action scenes. The fights between the kryptonians in MoS are the closest translation of Shonen style fights we've seen in live action yet, no other movie has really shown super powered beings having such large scale hand to hand fights.
@@SantiBarrios Synder's also a DBZ fan, one of the Kryptoinan characters is named Nam-Ek.
@@cinemaarts8795 You're right! That's an awesome reference
Bro sin city and speed racer kick all of the ass
@@cinemaarts8795Zack would have been a terrible choice for a dbz live action movie if he had the ability to direct one he has no good track record regarding movies the only good movie he has made was watchmen and he hasn’t even made a good decent movie since
Funny thing is, there are two other live action Dragon Ball movies out there which, though were made in foreign countries, are far more faithful to Toriyama's vision than this piece of trash they call a film.
I've only ever seen the trailer to that piece. Will never watch the whole movie.
Jesus, those concept arts have so junky anatmy that it hurts my eyes ngl...
Just make a sequel to Evolution and Toriyama would literally come out of hell , get back to life and write an entirely new story separate from Super and Diama
😅😅😅
Wish daima wasn’t a goku an vegeta story wish it was Goten an trunks
I found and even worse Dragon Ball movie than Evolution. It's on Tubi
It wasn't that good
when will they learn pep want the live action to be like the anime or video games i mean all the fails with resident evil and such but then one piece sticks close to the source material and pep loved it they are just so stupid
Tht script was actually good. Sucks
Idk how u f up dragon ball💀
Man glazing DB harder than Toriyama ever did. “Work of art” ok dude calm down
Daima is acceptable, Super was horrible.
But since they both got Toriyama's name on them, DB fans would love them, regardless of the quality.
@@maximillianx1395 because no one gives a single fuck about what you got to say they'll watched even if it's bad . They don't care they'll enjoy because they love it .
@@maximillianx1395no we love them because we like them news flash people have different tastes then you chase trust me from my end anyone who doesn't like super and daima is stupid
@@maximillianx1395true he's creativity fell off
These things are so lame