now put the cup 2 in that yaris and see what that 2 seconds difference become :) after 5-6 laps at a longer track, typical use in track days, the yaris will probably be ahead
It would, one thing that is misleading when raving on about very heavy fast cars, like the M4, is that barely anyone talks what that does on the components. It's capable as long as the tires and brakes are fresh, but they stay that way not for long. Very normal example of the Nordschleife, where people actually come to use these things. If you drive fast, M3/M4 stock tires and brakes are done after only a couple of laps. Yes, 2 laps and your brakes are gone. Something light, as GR Yaris, can go at least 15.
@@IR-xy3ij I don t know how long the item you mentioned could last but usually Toyota are extremely well designed and built to last even under stress. Let s say I m sure you can add in that cost and still having it much cheaper than that BMW:) only in tires it would cost you a fortune for every track day. Personally I have an S2000 so I d agree that simple and light is the best option for track days
@@massimilianozeni1848 S2000 is a much better track car than gr yaris. In a lot of ways gr yaris sucks for track use, from the high center of gravity to the extremely short wheelbase and narrow track width and fenders. I think the car itself is heavily overrated, because it's neither fast on a straight line nor in the corners, and on top of that it has overheating problems. I wouldn't be surprised if even a stock camaro can corner faster than it, while being much faster everywhere else with better cooling and cost about the same amount.
The fact the price of the M3/4 has gone up by 60% in a little over 10 years is frightening. It pretty much industry wide up at this high performance category too. C6 RS6 was £80k all in in 2008 and now it's almost £120k.
The F80 M3’s base MSRP was $62,925 in 2013. That’s $73,558 in today’s money. The E90 M3’s base MSRP was $56,275 in 2008. That’s $71,768 in today’s money. The G80 M3’s base price is $69,900. Bear in mind that all of these prices don’t factor in the cost of an automated transmission to level the playing field. Global inflation is the scary thing to note here. Manufacturers are providing-on paper at least-more for less nowadays, especially when you factor in standard convenience and safety features on top of their objective performance and crash capabilities. Granted, they’re more bloated, arguably too refined for enthusiasts, and less “pure” as a result, but the overall offering for the stand-alone dollar hasn’t diminished. I think the optimistic way to look at things is to soak in all of the sub-Halo performance car offerings that we can purchase now. If you’re not looking to beat down a car on a track and just want something that you can throw around aggressively on a back road, we’ve got more and better choices for our money than ever before.
@@its_EZ yep, the inflation over that period was around 30% which is less than the 60% increase in price, however, the new m4 is miles better than the e92 m3 so its kinda fair i guess. Also today you can get a cheaper car that will beat the e92 m3 on track like a gr yaris
More power, more dynamism = more cost to develop. I remember watching a savagegeese video on the RS6 and he says no wonder why they are so expensive now because of the amount of engineering that goes into these top performance specs is so much now. This is when he was under the body and talking about the mechanicals of the car.
Really liked this, well done! One thing though - it would be handy to know whether you had the GR Yaris in Sport mode or Track mode. From the oversteer at the end of the video I would assume it was in Sport mode (30:70)...
what a great concept. it opens up so many possibilities for track comparisons which may give an insight into whether it is worthwhile going for - ostensibly - the more capable / expensive car.
Got to admire that BMW, that is one quick car, it just looks ugly though. I see why you had to give the GR a flying lap and the BMW a standing start, the track is what, less than a mile? 2.2 seconds is a lot of time, 60+m difference a lap, that's a lot.
2:58 Funny how the guy in the M4 slammed on the brakes to make the Yaris look faster and "not beatable" in this race. Really shows how insane the bias is for this car. In reality the M4 would have walked all over the Yaris but magazines don't get paid enough for that.
If you think about it, the GR Yaris is the 1980s road legal rally car everyone wish to own,the difference is that the GR Yaris is more comfortable and more practical as well
Interesting to see how they’d fare over 5 laps of your average UK circuit. Whilst the M4 has the power I bet it would cook its brakes double quick. The GR to my mind is a better way of achieving the laptime. Add the nitron suspension, proper rubber & a remap and you have a seriously potent car
Cup 2s probably made up 3/4s of that 2 second a lap difference... Llandow is a good real world test, like for like...but once you throw cups in the mix... or even if one car is on Pirellis and the other is on PS4s... subtle tire variances on a circuit like Llandow make a notable difference.
I stayed with a Clio RS IV just behind an M3 years ago, just the engine gap was too much out of slow corners. Small hothatch are not only pure fun but also quite fast if driven properly!
Probably to keep it fair for the yaris, or they couldnt get a M2 that week. Either way its still like comparing a luxury highway missle to a autocross/small circut track star, both are good it just depends what your goals are.
If you spotted it on the road close to Llandow it would've been me 👋 Though that specific car has been run by Evo magazine on their Fast Fleet for the last few months, too.
@@lbarbato6425 Someone forgets that the M4 has more than 550 hp and a faster automatic transmission, and the GR "only" 260 hp ... I do not think it is so unfair that the Yaris is in motion ... If you agree, we will ballast it, also, with a couple of drums of stones ...
@@messnerps3 what is the point really, we could do the similar with a hill trolley as well, flatten the tyres on the M4 or even better, remove the wheels all together lol.
@@messnerps3 how about do the same with a lambo as a comparison too with a ton of bricks in the car with three bicycles on the roof of the car and then see who wins with a rolling advantage from the Yaris. Point in the Yaris is as interesting as a shopping trolley used by your every day cool granny or grandad. Just a bit pointless this sort of race and means nothing.
@@J200S You know what the word "Handicap" means. It is used a lot in sports like golf and it means: "equalize the chances of each contestant so that the competition is fair" And no one sees it as silly. I can agree that you do not like this type of test, but it is a way of calibrating the possibilities of each machine in terms of the possibilities of each one. I would now like a rally test on dirt or wet between the GR and the M4, we leave a little sooner ... the M4. With two balls, as we say in Spain.
Well the M4 was at a huge disadvantage with a standing start versus a flying start! On the other hand it is significantly heavier and that won’t help in corners. The AWD version will have better traction, but it’s going to weigh more again…..
The AWD version turned out to be substantially faster but tbh that was to be expected. Over 500 hp on two skinny 285 tires means that it struggles to even go in a straight line. C7 grand sport had much less power but 335 rear tires and it had little problem putting down power.
Surprised you didn't have it in the wet, and make the lap even shorter than the very short lap it already was, to give yet more advantage to the GR. Bit pointless imo.
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You obviously looking for a feel good story after the Spanking of your beloved car Porche cayman 718 GT4 by the Mighty M4.
@@Franc39A6DD Well done, you can identify a badge, which Mitsubishi is it? The job of a coupe is to look good & drive well, this fails completely on the looks department. The Yaris is a homologation special, it's job is to be fast, looks are secondary. You'd know this if you actually knew what you were talking about.
@@Zerofightervi @Zerofightervi A badge on your picture? Can't see that on my phone... Lancer Evo before the 7. Picture is too little. I don't like the look of these cars. M4 looks not really good. The M3 is a better looking car.
Gr may be fun but certainly doesn’t appeal in the slightest. If you have this money to spend why would you blow it on this? Get an amg merc e63, M4, Gtr, all second hand but are far more pleasing to own , appreciate and look at. This is like a pimped up rent a car that anyone who has one of the cars I mentioned wouldn’t even consider racing against this - for what? Like racing a corsa b with a can exhaust.
@@relentlesspursuit6894 I currently have an M2 comp and do like the GR Yaris very much and definitely one of the best performance package Toyota “Lexus” has come up with but, not a great comparison with the current M4 which I’ve test driven, the M4 is crazy good. I wanted to buy the GR Yaris for my woman (so I can get the enjoy it too lol) she didn’t like the looks of it, sad lol. So, we have a Golf 8 R line coming.
A couple of years ago this would've been ridiculous, Toyota vs BMW's cream of the crop.... That little Yaris is one hellavu piece of engineering
With a police wrap on the M4, it would be even funnier to watch. 🤣 NFS Most Wanted style ! 😂
now put the cup 2 in that yaris and see what that 2 seconds difference become :) after 5-6 laps at a longer track, typical use in track days, the yaris will probably be ahead
It would, one thing that is misleading when raving on about very heavy fast cars, like the M4, is that barely anyone talks what that does on the components. It's capable as long as the tires and brakes are fresh, but they stay that way not for long. Very normal example of the Nordschleife, where people actually come to use these things. If you drive fast, M3/M4 stock tires and brakes are done after only a couple of laps. Yes, 2 laps and your brakes are gone. Something light, as GR Yaris, can go at least 15.
@@hayashishark7378 100% spot on, well said
GR yaris also has the awd clutch pack as a wear item. For true track durability you want a light 2wd car like civic or brz
@@IR-xy3ij I don t know how long the item you mentioned could last but usually Toyota are extremely well designed and built to last even under stress. Let s say I m sure you can add in that cost and still having it much cheaper than that BMW:) only in tires it would cost you a fortune for every track day. Personally I have an S2000 so I d agree that simple and light is the best option for track days
@@massimilianozeni1848 S2000 is a much better track car than gr yaris. In a lot of ways gr yaris sucks for track use, from the high center of gravity to the extremely short wheelbase and narrow track width and fenders. I think the car itself is heavily overrated, because it's neither fast on a straight line nor in the corners, and on top of that it has overheating problems. I wouldn't be surprised if even a stock camaro can corner faster than it, while being much faster everywhere else with better cooling and cost about the same amount.
As a peasant American, be thankful you can even think about buying that magnificent car
Lowlives get to have some fun for owns
*kisses teeth*
I’m still not liking the new bugs bunny teeth grills on the M4 🙁
The race we all secretly wanted🤣
loved the ending...that smile...pure bliss. This is what driving a fun should be about!
M4’s kerb weight of 1,800kg is bonkers. Well done to the Yaris GR! Little beast of a car.
It's a brilliant machine. Certainly lives up to the hype!
how was that well done. M4 was faster by 2 seconds on a tiny circuit
God over 500hp dude.
@@RaGeAlucard come on bro 2 seconds for 50 000 euro more
@@RaGeAlucard this thing is cheaper and it's only an inline 3 which is impressive
And, the tuners are already all over the GR. A little backyard fiddling, some Cup 2s, and Snaggle Tooth will need the rolling start :)
M4 with AWD is gonna be be 2000kg. Ridiculous.
The fact the price of the M3/4 has gone up by 60% in a little over 10 years is frightening. It pretty much industry wide up at this high performance category too. C6 RS6 was £80k all in in 2008 and now it's almost £120k.
The F80 M3’s base MSRP was $62,925 in 2013. That’s $73,558 in today’s money.
The E90 M3’s base MSRP was $56,275 in 2008. That’s $71,768 in today’s money.
The G80 M3’s base price is $69,900. Bear in mind that all of these prices don’t factor in the cost of an automated transmission to level the playing field.
Global inflation is the scary thing to note here. Manufacturers are providing-on paper at least-more for less nowadays, especially when you factor in standard convenience and safety features on top of their objective performance and crash capabilities. Granted, they’re more bloated, arguably too refined for enthusiasts, and less “pure” as a result, but the overall offering for the stand-alone dollar hasn’t diminished.
I think the optimistic way to look at things is to soak in all of the sub-Halo performance car offerings that we can purchase now. If you’re not looking to beat down a car on a track and just want something that you can throw around aggressively on a back road, we’ve got more and better choices for our money than ever before.
well, taking inflation into consideration it's more or less 35% and not 60%, which is still significant.
@@its_EZ yep, the inflation over that period was around 30% which is less than the 60% increase in price, however, the new m4 is miles better than the e92 m3 so its kinda fair i guess. Also today you can get a cheaper car that will beat the e92 m3 on track like a gr yaris
More power, more dynamism = more cost to develop.
I remember watching a savagegeese video on the RS6 and he says no wonder why they are so expensive now because of the amount of engineering that goes into these top performance specs is so much now. This is when he was under the body and talking about the mechanicals of the car.
@@supaahflyy yeah but you gotta admit that european luxury cars are kinda overpriced compared to honda and toyota
Really liked this, well done! One thing though - it would be handy to know whether you had the GR Yaris in Sport mode or Track mode. From the oversteer at the end of the video I would assume it was in Sport mode (30:70)...
Love that gr!
Try the same shootout on a wet A-road
m4 no where to be seen
@@talharoxen M4? What M4?😂😂
@@bruhwth even gtr and porshe gt3 rs might lost in the wet if there are corners in the track
@@talharoxen gtr may understeer off, GT3 rs is just saying goodbye maybe a 911 turbo s???
Resulting in a big beemer accident
The boss rules. No 3 cylinder shopping trolley is going to beat the BMW!
what a great concept. it opens up so many possibilities for track comparisons which may give an insight into whether it is worthwhile going for - ostensibly - the more capable / expensive car.
Got to admire that BMW, that is one quick car, it just looks ugly though.
I see why you had to give the GR a flying lap and the BMW a standing start, the track is what, less than a mile? 2.2 seconds is a lot of time, 60+m difference a lap, that's a lot.
Yea, that was cool! Enjoyed that.
Steve the man....The best in business !
2:58 Funny how the guy in the M4 slammed on the brakes to make the Yaris look faster and "not beatable" in this race. Really shows how insane the bias is for this car. In reality the M4 would have walked all over the Yaris but magazines don't get paid enough for that.
Yeah BMW doesnt pay their bills but toyota & hyundai do though, cash rules everything around me
When the M4 caught the GR they had a baby Supra.
GRY is 2.2s behind without Cup 2s, decent result!
Yep, pretty impressive! Two very different ways of getting the lap time.
Sutcliffe trying to find creative ways for the M4 to lose after the GT4 video 😄
True
Fun video but a M2 comp manual vs GR would have been more fun. Plus M2comp looks miles better than the M4 well from the outside.😊
Yaris ,,, yes a Yaris .😂
If you think about it, the GR Yaris is the 1980s road legal rally car everyone wish to own,the difference is that the GR Yaris is more comfortable and more practical as well
Interesting to see how they’d fare over 5 laps of your average UK circuit. Whilst the M4 has the power I bet it would cook its brakes double quick.
The GR to my mind is a better way of achieving the laptime. Add the nitron suspension, proper rubber & a remap and you have a seriously potent car
Cup 2s probably made up 3/4s of that 2 second a lap difference... Llandow is a good real world test, like for like...but once you throw cups in the mix... or even if one car is on Pirellis and the other is on PS4s... subtle tire variances on a circuit like Llandow make a notable difference.
I stayed with a Clio RS IV just behind an M3 years ago, just the engine gap was too much out of slow corners. Small hothatch are not only pure fun but also quite fast if driven properly!
GR on Cup 2's would have been nice
It was never a fair race in the first place :)
That's a really strange comparison haha
It’s like a lion chasing a house cat it’s so funny but mind blowing how it’s able to keep distance on the M4
Love it! Yes, more of that stuff please
Swap drivers and Steve would catch the Yaris driving the M4.
Please try it the other way around!
Standing start more fair - the GR would win though, despite the conditions being in the M4's favour
Go to 3:00 to see that the m4 was catching and edging but we know (production terms)
Would be more of a fair test if you guys put cup 2 tyres on the Yaris is well
Dude “Would be more of a fair test if you guys didn’t give the Toyota a 2 sec jump start.”
Love it! Need more battles!
Yaris also beat GT-R at this track
What mode did you have it in that might make a difference between them both
Why are you comparing an M4 to a Yaris GR?
Probably to keep it fair for the yaris, or they couldnt get a M2 that week. Either way its still like comparing a luxury highway missle to a autocross/small circut track star, both are good it just depends what your goals are.
wait so the Beamer did it 2 seconds quicker but also with a standing start? thats a big fat DUB i think
The times at the end are both from standing start, a fair bit given the short track though
I’m sure that I saw Sean and the Yaris driving back after the test. It was the first GR that I’d seen on the road.
If you spotted it on the road close to Llandow it would've been me 👋 Though that specific car has been run by Evo magazine on their Fast Fleet for the last few months, too.
@@alexingram7329 It was by tesco on port road.
Why BMW, the kidneys were just fine...
ANY Steve Sutcliffe content is worth watching!
No - he's a complete flip flop - says whatever the publication that's hiring him wants him to say.
Now do the test over 10 laps. Who ever in their right mind does one lap on a track?
Exactly!
Do this test on a wet B road - your average UK weather and narrow "fun" roads, then I know which car I'd rather be in.
This circuit is not made for an M4…
Try the M4 rolling and the GR standing start lol, pointless comparison either way. For me this reviewer has shot he’s credibility.
@@lbarbato6425 Someone forgets that the M4 has more than 550 hp and a faster automatic transmission, and the GR "only" 260 hp ... I do not think it is so unfair that the Yaris is in motion ... If you agree, we will ballast it, also, with a couple of drums of stones ...
@@messnerps3 what is the point really, we could do the similar with a hill trolley as well, flatten the tyres on the M4 or even better, remove the wheels all together lol.
@@messnerps3 how about do the same with a lambo as a comparison too with a ton of bricks in the car with three bicycles on the roof of the car and then see who wins with a rolling advantage from the Yaris. Point in the Yaris is as interesting as a shopping trolley used by your every day cool granny or grandad. Just a bit pointless this sort of race and means nothing.
@@J200S You know what the word "Handicap" means. It is used a lot in sports like golf and it means: "equalize the chances of each contestant so that the competition is fair" And no one sees it as silly. I can agree that you do not like this type of test, but it is a way of calibrating the possibilities of each machine in terms of the possibilities of each one. I would now like a rally test on dirt or wet between the GR and the M4, we leave a little sooner ... the M4. With two balls, as we say in Spain.
Whats the track called? What times have the CTR and Meg pulled here.
Llandow, south Wales.
@@mikekomor8565 thanks Steve piloted the Fk8 CTR in 45.6s around this circuit.
Exactly what I was thinking. I think the Yaris Gr is a great but have a feeling both the Ctr and Meg would be quicker as long as it's dry.
M4 vs Dacia Sandero, maybe🥴
It's GR Yaris people... not Yaris GR
Well the M4 was at a huge disadvantage with a standing start versus a flying start! On the other hand it is significantly heavier and that won’t help in corners. The AWD version will have better traction, but it’s going to weigh more again…..
The AWD version turned out to be substantially faster but tbh that was to be expected. Over 500 hp on two skinny 285 tires means that it struggles to even go in a straight line. C7 grand sport had much less power but 335 rear tires and it had little problem putting down power.
Nice and fun video !
That was fun to watch
Surprised you didn't have it in the wet, and make the lap even shorter than the very short lap it already was, to give yet more advantage to the GR.
Bit pointless imo.
You obviously looking for a feel good story after the Spanking of your beloved car Porche cayman 718 GT4 by the Mighty M4.
Yes
Great test but the Civic Type R was quicker around the circuit than the GR ❗️🤔
Its the driver, not the car. ;-p
Can't even get the name of the Toyota correct. Says absolutely everything!
how long is your track plz ?
Put the Yaris on cups is well.
Watched till 16 seconds in when realised its Llandow and turned off. Already know the outcome, talk about horses for courses.
Yaris def needs the Litchfield tune up
M4 too big and heavy
And pig ugly
It's unfair competition. Steve is driving one of the cars
Tiny track very twisty suits the GR Yaris.
try a real race track instead of that gokart track
How about a Hachiroku
I would take the Yaris any day of the week
🤦🤦🤦
With Stevies name in the title you will get more views.....
that track is barely a mile that m4 caught it in no time
That test is completely irrelevant. It shows absolutely nothing at all.
I only watch when Steve is on job.
Imagine a mid-mounted I3 sports car by toyota
Small track and u say it is uncatchable…. Go to a longer track n yaris will lose on the straights
Nissan Gtr 35 is God of car👍
So, driver errors Mr Sutcliffe?😎
completely pointless comparison. the cars are totally different. I can't compare a dacia to a ferrari either
Its a good car that is true but its no way quicker than a M4 around any track 😂😂 thats just plain silly
Nice and fun. Why not...
who deflated sutcliffe?
More "Yay" :)
STOP. CALLNG. IT. A. YARIS. GR. AND. START. CALLING. IT. A. GR. YARIS.
What a waste of 4 minutes
The M4 is still unbelievably ugly, I just couldn't live with the way it looks.
When I look at your youtube profile picture, I wonder if you are able to give your opinion on the aesthetics of a car.
😂😂😂😂
@@Franc39A6DD Do you even know what car it is?
@@Zerofightervi A hideous Mitsubishi.The Yaris is also hideous. It's not because a car performs well that makes it look good.
@@Franc39A6DD Well done, you can identify a badge, which Mitsubishi is it?
The job of a coupe is to look good & drive well, this fails completely on the looks department.
The Yaris is a homologation special, it's job is to be fast, looks are secondary.
You'd know this if you actually knew what you were talking about.
@@Zerofightervi @Zerofightervi A badge on your picture? Can't see that on my phone... Lancer Evo before the 7. Picture is too little.
I don't like the look of these cars.
M4 looks not really good. The M3 is a better looking car.
and yaris with pilot cup 2 ….
PS4S
@@relentlesspursuit6894
yes
but if you have cup2 with M4 why yaris not cup2…
I think he means with Cup 2 even faster. Go on Mr Pursuit go Cup 2.😎
@@Dave-gl6jb no thanks - I've got semi-slick R888R on order 😀
@@Arnaud-D agree - on the same tyres the GR would be even quicker
BMW come back
Gr may be fun but certainly doesn’t appeal in the slightest. If you have this money to spend why would you blow it on this? Get an amg merc e63, M4, Gtr, all second hand but are far more pleasing to own , appreciate and look at. This is like a pimped up rent a car that anyone who has one of the cars I mentioned wouldn’t even consider racing against this - for what? Like racing a corsa b with a can exhaust.
Best you avoid trying to race a GR - you just end up embarrassed 😀
@@relentlesspursuit6894 yes if you let the gr race past you at 80 mph and then try and catch it on a small stretch but why bother in the first place
@@J200S with a speed limit of 70, the GR is far more useful on UK roads than the cars you mention
Non are as fun tried them all. Especially on a b road
My dream car💓
The GR 😎
@@relentlesspursuit6894 yeah buddy
Go for it. Sell a kidney or M4 grill.😂😂 amazing car.
@@Dave-gl6jb i would but no one wants my kidney
The BMW will breakdown before it catches the Yaris
MAD respect for toyota puting frameless doors.....meanwhile subaru and others that had them before they all look like cheap buckets now
💥🔥💯🇲🇽
AMAZING GR YARIS
🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
What is the point of this? If anybody in there right mind was offered either of these cars to take home for a week I know which one I’ll take lol.
So do I - and it's not the German one
@@relentlesspursuit6894 lol, I strongly suggest you take the German one for a test drive, education is a positive thing indeed.
@@lbarbato6425 I know which is more special! German RWD 500bhp, weve seen it all before!
@@relentlesspursuit6894 I currently have an M2 comp and do like the GR Yaris very much and definitely one of the best performance package Toyota “Lexus” has come up with but, not a great comparison with the current M4 which I’ve test driven, the M4 is crazy good. I wanted to buy the GR Yaris for my woman (so I can get the enjoy it too lol) she didn’t like the looks of it, sad lol. So, we have a Golf 8 R line coming.
@@lbarbato6425 shame she went for the Golf R - its dull! I know quite a few M2C owners who have swapped theirs for a GR
Just one more lap & it wld be a wrap!
There's just no way a Yaris would compete with any M car, old or new.
You believe that.😂 For the price it's amazing.
@@Dave-gl6jb A rally car is hardly "amazing".
So let me guess not driven one. I'm no hater of M cars as I have driven a Manual M2 loved it but GR is very well made car for the price.
@@Dave-gl6jb Each to their own buddy. I wouldn't look past an M car for a Toyota.
BMW fan. That's fine. Double price or more. Enjoy.😎
Want to watch another lap and m4 get pass
Biggest BS I've ever seen!! M4 will kill the YARIS ! Lol or is the engine made by BMW just like Supra? Lol