Plug n Play Adjustable Fuel Management for Harley's
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- Dynamic Fuel Enrichment for Stock Harley's and For Harley's with Stage I Air Cleaners & Exhaust. Easy Plug-n-Play Install, and Easy AFR Adjustment for Improved Throttle Response & Cooler Running.
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You guys really should have a million or more subscribers! Everyone who rides a Harley absolutely needs to be subbed to you guys!
Wow, thank you for the kind words! Share our vids with your friends, might help them out.
Only people riding standard-ish Harleys will find this sort of thing useful. I put the XIEDs on my 2010 Streetbob and whilst the effect was positive I wouldn't say that it added any real power gains. To get a real performance Harley then the AFR is gonna be around 12.5 to 13 : 1, all the weaker AFR's will not make a lot of difference.Loud pipes go hand-in-hand with these AFRs and two-into-one exhausts just stifle the engine above 4500rpm.
Unfortunately to get real power gains involves a lot of parts and engine modifications and money to do this. I stopped counting right away because even if I hadn't had a fair bit of cash to spend, I think I would have questioned the financial costs in comparison to the potential power gains.
If you want more power AND insist on keeping it Harley then it'll cost so it is a good idea to buy a low milage used bike (CVO engined twin cams are better to 'hot-rod' as the engine has much better heads for a start) and remove all the chrome doo-dads to sell, save a good bit extra and then rebuild the engine with more capacity, compression, port the heads ,add a cam, get the crank welded etc etc and you can get a bike with 50+% gains.... my Streetbob now has over 130 bhp and torque (with a carb as I junked the EFI) and is an absolute blast to ride though it did eat the tranny main bearing!
Remember though that the standard suspension, tyres and brakes need upgrading as well.
Whatever. 🤣🤣🤣. Go ride a foreign bike then🤷🏻♂️
@@robbyclark6915 I already do..... I am English and ride Harleys so they are foreign bikes !
@@thakery5720 Well I’m American and they are American bikes so that’s what I ride and what I love. Literally anything else is a foreign bike. Good luck with whatever it is you’re trying to accomplish 🤷🏻♂️?
Just added these on my 2010 Roadglide. I’ve had this bike going on 30k+ miles. Along with these, I’ve done the external breather, converted to factory dual header, drilled CVO mufflers, modified Air box. This was absolutely the best mod I’ve made to the rideability of my bike. Smoother, more torque through out power band, cooler & better throttle response. Set mine at 50% for now. Exceedingly happy. I am not planning cam changes or head work, so this was the answer for my bike.
Great to hear! Thanks for sharing, sounds like you have done some good things to get your ride dialed in how you want it.
We appreciate your business.
I just stuck your VIED into my '08 Sporty. Cleaned up the low/mid RPM stutter completely. It runs so much stronger overall too. Next month I'm getting your 828 air cleaner and EBS too. Thank you DK Customs!
Thank You! We appreciate your business and great to hear your enjoying the improved ride. I believe you will be well pleased with the 828 w/ EBS. 👍
@@fernando3551 Thanks for the kind words, glad you are finding the videos interesting/useful. 👍
@@fernando3551 Thanks! I'll try that.
Well done taking over manufacturing, can't wait til the M8's come out
👍 Working on it!
Waiting for the M8 version
This will be a great affordable option to a tuner for those on a budget. American made by D K Customs is an added bonus
👍 Thanks Jack!
Hi guy again from down under thanks for reply on xied for 08 softail curious as what sort of afr should I roughly achieve or should it enrichen to in ideal conditions
Glad to answer your questions!
If you install the XiED it richens the Air Fuel Ratio from 14.6:1 to 13.8:1 in closed loop mode.
If you install the ViED it richens the Air Fuel Ratio from14.6:1 to a range of 14.3-13.9:1 in closed loop mode. The V is for Variable because you can change the ratio. This Variable Fuel management upgrade allows you to fine-tune the air fuel mixture with a small screwdriver.
Thank you for commenting! MB
Looks like the tuning process can be fun.
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Just ordered a set for my bone stock '07 ultra classic, cant wait to feel the difference in smoothness and temperature
Awesome, let us know how you like them! Thank you for commenting! MB
My 103 twin cam has a SE Heavy Breather intake & a Bassani Firesweep full exhaust system, plus it's got a Vance & Hines Fuelpak 3. Is there any advantage in getting the enrichers if I've already got a Fuelpak 3?
The only benefit there could be ,with running both, would be if your tuner is not giving you enough fuel enrichment then the addition of the iED certainly will. The FP3 should be giving you enough fuel enrichment.
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Thank you for commenting! 👍 MB
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Thank you, appreciate your business, and very good to hear your digging them.
Need better camera angle to see where u are turning to. Plus I need where on the bike these harnesses are to be placed. What years have this
You can see which models of these fit which years and models of which Harley's at this link- www.dkcustomproducts.com/xied-vied-fuel-management-c121.htm
Depending on what bike you have depends on where the harnesses go. On Touring models they fit behind the side covers, on most other models they go along the front downtube.
When you choose which ones fit your year and model bike, you can click on the instructions tab and get those details there.
As far as what is being turned and which direction, you can see that on page 3 at this link- www.dkcustomproducts.com/media/wysiwyg/vied_new.pdf
Better camera? I don't think so,Funny how I seen and understood everything perfectly according to the diagram on the instruction manual 😁
been using these for a while now with a jackpot header and rineharts. didn't want to spend a lot of money on a tuner since i'm not going to do any internal work to the bike. these have helped make it run better overall. I might need to take some of your advice and richen up the rear just a bit though before my thighs turn into bacon this summer. thanks for the video!
Thank you for your business, we appreciate it. Glad you are getting a good result, and thanks for the comment!
I received my vied's and tti's. Installed the vied's last night with an initial adjustment I went with 75%. I'll be doing a few test runs and adjusting the afr. I plan on installing the TTI's Sunday
Good deal! Be aware, the full benefit of the ViED's will take 60-90 minutes of riding to show. Details on how this works is in this video....this link is already set up to start playing at the point where we talk about "Adaptive Learning", or LTFT. ruclips.net/video/gOeJ6Mx_mQo/видео.html
@@DKCustomProducts 10-4, Appreciate Y'all... 👍🤙✌️
Thanks! I believe you are going to be well pleased with the improvements from both parts. 👍
Hello, Have you released a VIED for the M8’s?
We do not have plans at this time for any M8 IED products.
The nice thing is that the M8's are not lean from the factory like the Twin Cam and Sportys. You can see a video link below showing that the M8's do not need a product like the XiED or ViED.
ruclips.net/video/aWW-nt7-fzA/видео.html
Thanks for commenting! MB
Thank you I appreciate the reply! 👍
You are most welcome! Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
I ordered your vied's and a set of your thunder torque inserts... I'm looking forward to installing these parts on my 2011 Nightster 1200. 👍🤙✌️
Cool. Thank you for your business, we appreciate it. 👍😎👍
I believe you are going to be well pleased with the results!
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Nothing will ever replace my Power Vison with Target tune !!
The Power Vision with Target Tune is the cats meow. I have that on my Sporty and it is amazing how well it works. It is expensive, but does an amazing job. www.dkcustomproducts.com/power-vision-tuner-accessories-c120-240.htm
I have a power vision and just ordered the target tune kit with the O2 sensors today, better than getting dyno tuned i hear!
Thats my goal for the trike is to get the Power Vision and Target Tune but I still like the idea of these little things during the stage 1 " un corking" process since it's simple and quick. These obviously won't work when it comes to putting in a hotter cam or a larger set of jugs & pistons etc, but its a nice convenience to be able to pull off a side cover, make a quick adjustment, and back on the road.
@@grimeyhonkyracing3938 The PV with the TT is crazy good. 👍
@@daviddavis8653 Yes, these will give you 85-90% of all the available power in a stock or stage I situation, for about 1/4 the cost.
Will they fit a 2020low rider s. M8
They do not fit any M8's.
We’ll explained, cool one. 😎👍🇨🇦
Thank you! 👍
Will it work on a M8
M8's do not need a tune to add a free flowing air cleaner, and/or free flowing exhaust. Here is a video on that subject- ruclips.net/video/Lb_57Z_Ipms/видео.html
If you have a Sportster or any Twin Cam, they come too lean from the factory, and the first thing to be done to those is either a tuner or a XiED product. You want to do one of those before changing intake or exhaust.
Here is a link to some options. The XiED line is very effective for Stage I's and are not expensive.
www.dkcustomproducts.com/efi-tuners-c74.htm
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What about for Milwaukee 8? I think I really need this for my 2020 Low Rider S.
We do not have plans at this time for any M8 IED products.
The nice thing is that the M8's are not lean from the factory like the Twin Cam and Sportys. You can see a video link below showing that the M8's do not need a product like the XiED or ViED.
ruclips.net/video/aWW-nt7-fzA/видео.html
You can also see a written report about the same subject here - www.dkcustomproducts.com/milwaukee-eight-dyno-charts-other-interesting-info-dk-m8-rpt.htm
Thanks for commenting! MB
How much money
Depends on what bike you have, they range from $130 - $150
You can see which one for your bike, and more details at this link- www.dkcustomproducts.com/xied-vied-fuel-management-c121.htm
I guess these are for earlier production harleys?
EFI Sporty Evo and all EFI Twin Cams
Should both VIED's be set equally? (Same setting for both front and rear cylinders)? I bought my bike used, these were installed by the previous owner (who changed the exhaust back to stock before letting the bike go). So I'm not to sure if he setting are correct now. 2014 Ultra. Thank you in advance for your response! New Sub here!
It is not necessary for them to be set equally. If your bike is running warm and/or you ride in hot temps, it is not a bad idea to have the rear cylinder a little richer (more toward the 100% setting) than the front. Just ride it at different settings, like talked about in the video, and where ever it runs best, that is where you should leave it. You cannot hurt the bike trying different settings.
@@DKCustomProducts Thank you for the rapid and helpful response! I am in process of playing with the settings now. When i discovered the VIED's on the bike, i noticed the rear was approximately 40% while the front was near 75%. The fuel economy was horrid with a lot of decel pop. Todays ride they were both at 50%: The bike seemed more responsive and a lot less decel popping. It did seem to be throwing off more heat, near the end of the ride though. I will set the rear up to 75% and leave the front at 50% for the next ride. Thanks Again!
@@scottthornton9237 Can't go wrong trying different settings till you find what gives you the best results on your bike!
Love this product. I have a’19 RG w/a 107. All Stock. Where would I set it & how much IS it?
Your '19 RG is an M8. We are working on the 2017-2020 M8's right now. They should be available within the next few months.
Can this be adjusted differently front and back?? Or should adjustments need to be even for both??
It is not necessary for them to be set equally. If your bike is running warm and/or you ride in hot temps, it is not a bad idea to have the rear cylinder a little richer (more toward the 100% setting) than the front. Just ride it at different settings, like talked about in the video, and where ever it runs best, that is where you should leave it. You cannot hurt the bike trying different settings.
I almost regret getting the 2021 model Road Glide, because no manufacturers have come up with tuning options for the 2021's
I hear ya. Harley really tried to close the door on that. But Dynojet and V&H have already broken in and are just now getting the user interface put in place. Sometime in June or July there will be options...then later this year the VIED's will also be ready. www.dkcustomproducts.com/efi-tuners-c74.htm
@@DKCustomProducts I look forward to it. The new Glide runs great from factory but I know a little tweak in the fuel will unleash a few more horses and cool things down a little.
@@easyglider1307 True that. The Best Way to get more power out of your Glide is to get the operating temp down to the ideal range. Here is a video series on that subject- ruclips.net/p/PLb3bvZgbH92_3s-2vv63QggFJ3nteFd_C
Can i get that for my Dyna lowrider 06
Good question. On the Dyna's, in 2006, most of them are the same delphi ECM that Harley started using on all other HD's in 2007. If your 2006 has o2 sensors, then you can run these on your bike. www.dkcustomproducts.com/vied-fuel-enrichment-for-harley-efi-plug-n-play-more-details-dk-vied-nr.htm
Will you at some point soon be doing these for the 2021 M8 ?
Hope so. We are working on the 2017-2020 M8's right now.
As you know, HD changed the ECM in 2021 and not even Dynojet or V&H's have come out with upgrades for the 2021 yet (they are close). Once we get the 2017-2020 done, then we'll move on to the 2021.
Can these be added to a factory stage 1 ecm reflash, (slip ons and screaming eagle air cleaner kit).
Yes, they are especially useful on Sportsters and Twin Cams.
Here is a video you may find useful- ruclips.net/video/gOeJ6Mx_mQo/видео.html
Screaming Eagle High flow air filter/Vance and Hines Power headers and Vance and Hines exhaust...
You saying these are better than the Screaming Eagle tuner put on a Dyno?
There are a lot of versions of the Screamin' Eagle Tuner. This is much better than the EPA compliant ones that are all the SE Tuners have been since 2017, and some of them from before 2017.
I want to pick a the anti gravity lithium battery from your website, is the 360 cranking amps enough for a hot 1275 sporty? Is the 480 too much?
The 360 is probably not enough, especially in colder weather. 480 is not too much. Unfortunately anti-gravity quality started suffering a couple of years ago and we are not carrying them anymore. I am getting ready to test out a Shorai in my own 1250 build.
so I have a question. will adding the vied lock the afr at whatever it is set at? So say whether I'm idling or redlining would it have a 14 afr if set at 75% or would this allow for a richer afr at higher demands?
The way the XIED and VIED work is to add xyz % of fuel to the existing map. Harley has a good tune in there....it is just too lean across the board (because of the EPA). So these add to the existing tune, making it not too lean. This all happens in closed loop. It also sends the corrections to the LTFT tables to adjust open loop.
When you have higher throttle and load, the tune will go much richer (down into the 11's & 12's) as it should.
There is another video coming out in the next couple of weeks where we talk about Closed and Open Loop and some of the details of how all that works.
Hello, I have V&H FP3 on my 2012 Road King and one of there maps flashed on the bike. I still get some decel pop even though I have it enriched a little more with V&H tweaking the map, they also have a feature on their device that is represented by a firecracker that enriches it some that is also flashed on the bike. Do you think this device would work with this flashed map in order to dial in the fuel mixture a little better or should I flash back to a stock setup, take the FP3 completely out of the equation and see how this device works on the problem? thx
The VIED will work with the FP3 and richen it up even more.
However, if you are only trying to get rid of the decel pop, there is a less expensive way to do that, and will result in better power too, that is with the Thunder Torque Inserts™.
See the two videos below-
ruclips.net/video/I_djBYYYu28/видео.html (around the 6:00 minute mark)
ruclips.net/video/gOeJ6Mx_mQo/видео.html
@@DKCustomProducts Very good...thx
Do you need a Tuner with this ?
You do not. These will work on stock bikes and on bikes with High flow air cleaners and high flow exhaust. If you do more than that....cams, heads, etc., that is when a tuner is needed.
I have a2008 this bike runs battery's down due to the key fob alarms system i need toby pass this thing and which wire from ecm to cut so I can by pass this I jumped start relay it starts but shuts down after 3 seconds
I don't know. We've never done that. We've never had an alarm run down the battery. If a bike is going to sit longer than 1 week it is plugged into a battery tender. You may have something else going on with your battery and parasitic drain.
If it is sitting for more than a week or so without running (by running I mean at least a half hour of riding between starts) then a tender is a good idea, regardless of whether it has an alarm system.
Does this take the place of a tuner or run them both?
It takes the place of. If you have a good tuner, then these are not needed.
If you have an EPA compliant SE tuner, then these will help to run in addition to.
Hey Guys... would this replace my V&H FuelPak?? I have stock bike with open air kit and Rinehart true duals on 2006 FI Road King. What difference would VIED make vs FuelPak? Is this plug N play like the fuelPak?? Thanks, Charlie
I'm sorry, it will not. These work on 2007 and up Road Kings. Thank you for checking.
Are there any issues shipping to California?
No, there are no issues with shipping the IED products to California.
Great videos and product line. I want to give you my support. What do you have for a 2017 FatBoy S with the SE 110ci. It has the stock Screaming Eagle Ventilator Air Intake and Vance & Hines Twin Slash 3-inch Slip-Ons.
I plan on upgrading to a 117ci, full exhaust, and cams next year, so I will need a $500 tuner and dyno then, but right now, I just want to make the bike run right.
It is running lean as hell and popping on decel.
Thank you.
Thank you, appreciate the kind words, and good to hear you're enjoying the videos.
For your 2017 FatBoy with the Stock 110, the one to use is the FL-VIED at this link. www.dkcustomproducts.com/fl-vied-fuel-enrichment-for-harley-efi-plug-n-play-more-details-dk-flvied-10-nr.htm
@@DKCustomProducts thank you, what breather kit would you recommend for this same bike? haven't installed one yet for this bike, might as well while I am at it.
thank you for your time.
@@killdozer3464 Thank you for looking at our parts.
Any of the kits at this link will work with your bike- www.dkcustomproducts.com/diy-external-breather-systems-374.htm
@@DKCustomProducts I ordered the FL-VIED kit. I didn’t order the breather kit, because my bike has a back plate that I never seen before. Instead of venting through the screws into the intake, the plate has small holes through the plate that feed from the mounting stand offs from behind the plate. I never seen that before.
I guess I could just replace the screws with standard venting screws, and then modify the plate to install the breather filter. But at that point I’ll just install a new high flow air cleaner.
Thanks again. Can’t wait to install my FL-VIED and have my 110 running right.
@@killdozer3464 Thank you, we appreciate your business. I believe you will be well pleased with the improvement with the FL-VIEDs.
Here is a video showing how the breather kit works with the air cleaner you described...while yours may look a little different (or a lot) the principles are the same.
ruclips.net/video/uAmPC_kglJk/видео.html
WHAT IS THE SETTING OF THE VIED FROM FACTORY? IS IT AT 75%?
It should be at 50% when delivered to you.
I bought a used 2016 FLTRU. I just bought A power vision. I have factory 02 sensors. Vance & Hines power duals With twin slash cut Mufflers. The pipes do not have 18mm bungs. I believe it has a stock Cam. And a screaming Eagle air cleaner With breather bypass. Would This product will be Advantageous And/or compatible?
The Power Vision uses the narrow band sensors that are 12mm. You would only need the 18mm if you were to add the Target Tune module, because it uses wide band sensors.
Your power duals should have the 12mm bungs for the narrow band sensors, so you are good to go.
@@DKCustomProducts It seems from what I read that even with the power vision, The narrow band sensors can't Enrich the fuel Enough accurately. I thought maybe Your Product Might get my fuel mixture into the 13's
@@fredflint1797 You can see some details on the Power Vision at this link- www.dkcustomproducts.com/dynojet-power-vision-flash-tuner-w-auto-tune-dk-pv-cmp-pkg.htm
With this Power Vision you can get your AFR to where ever you want. 13's in closed loop is not a problem at all.
Now, if you are having a Dealership tune with the Power Vision, many of them will not tune it outside of the EPA mandates...but that is not a function of the Power Vision, but of the person using the Power Vision. The PV has no restrictions built into it.
@@DKCustomProducts Thank you for your patience and response. I am a technology-challenged senior Determined to learn. I need to find out How It reads beyond the range of the Narrow band Sensors. But if you say it can be done I believe you I just gotta keep Hammering at it
@@fredflint1797 In closed loop, where the narrow band sensors are used, that is a low load, low throttle area of the tune. Getting the AFR down too low is not preferable...doable, yes, beneficial? I can't think of how. When you go into open loop the table in the PV tune take over (there is no o2 sensor feedback in open loop) and you can set those wherever you want. Also, those tables are affected by the Long Term Fuel Trim (or as HD calls it "adaptive learning")
If you want complete control, and I have this on my Sporty and it is amazing, use the Power Vision with the Target Tune. You can see it at the link below. Part of the Target Tune are wide band sensors, so you will need the 18mm bungs. The TT lets you set the AFR wherever you want in open and closed loop and it constantly adjusts to stay "on target".
When I installed this my power GREATLY increased AND my MPG did also.
www.dkcustomproducts.com/dynojet-target-tune-for-the-power-vision-harley-efi-tuner-dk-pv-tt.htm
Hey there so I have a question for you guys. I have a 2015 ultra limited with python slip ons. I like a loud bike so I’m thinking Of taking the baffles and packing right out of my slip ons. Would it be ok to run no baffles if I install the xied on my bike. I still have stock air breather to. So if I open that up and had no baffles would I then have a problem?
You will be fine tune wise with the FL-ViED's or FL-XiED's tune wise.
Removing the baffles will create a bit of a dip in your low and mid range torque, but that is easily fixed by installing the Thunder Torque Inserts™. You will still be loud, and just a bit deeper tone. You will have more power than you have now.
www.dkcustomproducts.com/xied-vied-fuel-management-c121-287.htm
LINK to TTI's-
www.dkcustomproducts.com/thunder-torque-inserts-c57-298.htm
LINK to a report on how and why the TTI's work at producing a loud deep tone, along with more power- www.dkcustomproducts.com/harley-exhaust-myths-and-facts.htm
Thanks very much for the quick reply. The cat is still in my stock header so will I still loose low end power?
@@kamakazeekid1 Yes, take a look at this video, I believe you will find it interesting/useful- ruclips.net/video/pr6z00gL5Yg/видео.html
Very cool setup, same here I can't wait til the M8 version comes out.
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I have 2012 switchback with 103. Which one do you recommend? 2 into 1 exhaust
I would use the FL-ViED that you can see at this link- www.dkcustomproducts.com/fl-vied-fuel-enrichment-for-harley-efi-plug-n-play-more-details-dk-flvied-10-nr.htm