10 Quick Tech Tips- Harley Comfort for LOW & NO $$
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- 10 Tech Tips on Little Things That Make a Difference on Your Harley. Improved Comfort & Performance. All for Little or No Cost! Including Two On Cooling Down the Exhaust.
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💥 Video on Tank Lifts- • Harley TLT Series- Bil...
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I like that tank lift idea not only for the heat reduction, but I can get to my chrome heads and clean them easier.
Yep, cools em down a bit, reduces buffeting a bit and shows of the chrome and makes it easier to clean also!
Thanks for the comment!
Don't do it on tiny sportster tanks without moving fuel tap! I did it 2inches and lost 20 miles range, had to stop at bars😂
Number 12 - Point your bike north and ride really, really fast for a long, long time. Not free per se, but lots and lots of fun!
North or to higher elevation! Yep, a ton of fun!
Don't cruse city streets and bolavards
I have removed left side heat shield, added tank lift, air wing deflector which also helped my head buffeting, and floorboard extensions which has really helped riding comfort. Tomorrow installing 606 air cleaner and EBS and VIED. Thanks for all your videos and advice.
Thanks for sharing. We appreciate your business, and it is good to hear the parts have enhanced your riding experience! 👍
Will removing the right side heat shield by your leg, and keeping the left side on, produce the same results?
@@Evil_Empire42 no. You will be blowing more hot air behind your right leg, along with the already hotter right side air. Putting heat to heat only produces more heat.
@@Evil_Empire42 Similar, but not the same.
There is more heat on the right side, so it will not feel as cool to the rider.
Also there are more obstructions on the right, so the air will not flow around the rear cylinder and out as well with left in place and the right removed.
For my 2010 Superglide C i did a stage 1 with a good tune, as well as a Jagg side mount oil cooler.
A HUGE improvement.
Good deal! 👍😎👍
@@DKCustomProducts i just ordered a cleanable oil filter with 5 o-rings from you. Its on its way!
I had one for an d R1 track only and it was good.
I enjoyed listening to bike tech talk even though I'm a Goldwing guy, I love the classic looks on the Harley. Ride safe fellas.
Thank you! You too! 👍
If you wanna spend some money to cool your M8, and get some more power, a canned tune with FP3 cooled my bike significantly. I went in further and changed some of the AFR tables myself, dropping the highest AFR on the table from 14.41 down to 13.90, and changing closed loop AFR from 14.30 min/14.91 max, down to 14.10 max/13.80 min. Cooled my bike down even further.
A tuner is definitely a good way to cool down your bike, but this specific video is for Low to No cost ways to cool down your bike for bikers that can not afford a tuner, or want to try some less expensive ways first!
All from DK Customs I have a hi-flow air cleaner, titanium heat wrap, floor board relocation, external breather system and TTI's. My bike is very comfortable to ride!
Very cool. We appreciate your business, and it is great to hear that you are enjoying the parts. 👍
I totally agree with these tips and have done most of them. However, Pipe wrap? A friend wrapped the pipes on his Shovel and it did keep the heat in but the pipes got so hot that they basically disintegrated.
On the product page it says "DEI does NOT recommend wrapping exhausts made of titanium. The alloys used in the production of titanium exhaust systems tend to be thin and are designed to dissipate heat quickly. Wrapping any titanium exhaust pipe, regardless of brand, can hold in too much heat, and make the titanium alloy turn brittle and prone to premature cracking."
If his exhaust was Titanium it is possible that was the issue. Kevin has had exhaust wrap on his Sportster exhaust for 10+ years and they have not rusted or gotten brittle.
Here is a video about good exhaust wrap- ruclips.net/video/Yj7PxZXGhk4/видео.html
Thanks for commenting! MB
Just added the air deflector wings and a 1.5 inch tank lift to my 2015 FLHTKL and while I don't have historical data on the Temps in the short time I've noticed that I don't feel the heat like I have before. When I have felt heat off engine due to slow speed and changing direction it quickly disapaits when increasing speed and/or changing travel direction. So I highly recommend. Dk Customs has impressed me with their customer service as well as their products. Tank lift,Cooling defector wings and the 606 AC with Transformer EBS. Order wrong size Thunder Tourque Inserts and DK has gone above and beyond by sending correct size. Just can't beat their customer service.
Man, thank you for the comment, and your business. We appreciate it!
Good to hear that you are getting your bike dialed in and are experiencing the benefits of the parts. 👍😎👍
Here in Nevada I do just the opposite with the thigh wind deflectors,.Above 80 degrees I put them back on so my legs don't cook. I tried just taking the left hand side off and about roasted my leg above 80 degrees. The floorboard bump outs help out way more than some might think,that is a Great tip. Plus they are needed with cooling fans so my leg sits more level/straight.
Are you wearing jeans or shorts? If jeans, then my guess is that the engine is just too hot overall and needs some cooling down.
Here is a series of videos that you may find interesting/useful-
ruclips.net/p/PLb3bvZgbH92_3s-2vv63QggFJ3nteFd_C
My 1978 Low Rider has been very cool since parking it in my house decades ago. My flat twin does very well in hot weather
Thanks for sharing! 👍
The biggest difference I have felt was to direct the air vents in my lowers at the engine as opposed to open them wide open. I don’t have a way of checking engine temperature but it definitely has helped the heat I feel on my legs.
Good tip! Thank you for the comment. 👍
I removed the vents completely
God, dear God, plz get rid of these stupid temu ads. You'd think RUclips and China were sleeping together with the amount of ads we have to endure. Now on topic great video.
Glad you found the video useful/interesting. 👍
Got the jims fan...... friggn awesome.... buy it yall. I had epic failures with alot of things. But this fan equaled the score
Good to hear you are liking it! 👍 Thanks for the comment, and we appreciate your business.
Enjoy the Ride!!!
So glad you are teaching the proper way to ride. I've never thought riding your clutch at high rlms is wise. Just like driving a stick shift car...
Good to hear you're finding our videos useful/interesting. 👍
I used my FP3 to add the first level of "decelpop" (there was no decel pop on my 107). The extra fuel on deceleration keeps the temp about 10 deg cooler.
Yes, many folks use that strategy of dumping extra fuel to get it cooled down a bit.
Thank you for the add.
While i haven't done any mods to bring the overall heat temps down, I did open the right side vent. It seemed to lower temps slightly, but open it relieved the heat felt on the inside of the leg and foot.
You can see a written report on WHY and How to Cool Down Your Tc & M8 at this link - www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-the-twin-cam-engine-part-i-dk-cl-tc-dn-1.htm
and
www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-your-twin-cam-engine-part-ii-dk-cl-tc-dn-2.htm
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Thank you for commenting! MB
Good tips , #1 I removed both , they cook your legs in stop and go , #2 I used 1 1/2" flat straps in the front and a one inch tall socket in the rear , fuel gauge spot on and runs cooler , #5 I pulled the head pipe and drilled out with a butterfly .. Floorboards are done on the cheep to with pieces of pipe cut to 1" and used as a spacer and longer bolts , this is also a much more comfortable riding position .. external breathers are obvious .. I always wanted an Ultra for the lowers , my '88 Tour Glide was last year before the TGU , so never got one of those , as soon as the RGU hit the floor I got one , and 1) the vents would not stay open and 2) I hated them , they have been hanging in the shop since the second month I got this bike .. I have a set of Harley softs that are well over 35 years old , I use them if I need lowers
Glad you enjoyed. Thank you for the comment.
I had a 2003 Fat boy it was pretty much stock. That dam thing was uncomfortably hot. I switched to full synthetic oil, it made a big difference.
No doubt synthetic oil will result in less friction with is less heat.
Here is a link to a playlist you may find interesting-
ruclips.net/p/PLb3bvZgbH92_3s-2vv63QggFJ3nteFd_C
I added the defector wings, new headers (no cats) ultra cool oil cooler on my 2020 trike and I just rode it hard for an hour and my oil temp was 190 on a stage 2 build 🙌
Also I have the DK catch can
Very cool!
Glad the products are doing their jobs!
Thank you for your support and for commenting! 👍😎👍
Dude! I didn't know Tommy Chong was a H-D mechanic. Awesome!
Me neither.
Kevin, I wrapped my bassani header tonight, but now read some techs saying the heat trapped in the header by wrap has molten effect on some headers and that most vendors will not warranty headers that have been wrapped!! Thank you for your replies to all our questions, reason I wanted to wrap is hot hot right foot/ankle with just shields!
If wrap will make a molten effect on headers, it could be one, or both, of these two reasons:
1. Engine is running too hot for it's own good (regardless of the wrap)
2. Cheaply made exhaust. There are more and more knock-offs coming out of Asia, some with really poor quality
It is understandable that an exhaust MFG. will not warranty wrapped headers. They have not control over whether the bike will be put up with wet wrap, time after time. Done enough, it can result in rust and eventual failure.
Here is a video where we talk about wrap, rain, washing, etc. ruclips.net/video/Yj7PxZXGhk4/видео.html
Getting temps down to the ideal, for performance, heat reduction/comfort, engine longevity...here is a written report link and a video playlist link-
www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-the-twin-cam-engine-part-i-dk-cl-tc-dn-1.htm
ruclips.net/p/PLb3bvZgbH92_3s-2vv63QggFJ3nteFd_C
Thank you Kevin,. I rode today and my leg was not on fire, and I assume bassani made header thinner then oem! But I am happy with your suggestions to cool hd bikes!! And if I notice , I'll adjust tongue insert angle! Thx again!
@@kpnomad7 Good deal on making it more comfortable.
To reduce any chance of a problem, do not let it set up with wet exhaust too much. Of course, it can be impossible with rain sometime. But don't wash it and then park it.
Thanks Brothers you've taught me some new strategies for cooler operation. Respect
Thank you for the good words. Glad you found the video useful. 👍
I have done every mod to my 09 Ultra that can be done on the cheap.....tank lift, air deflector wings, left side air shield removal, factory air box modification (complete removal of any nonessential plastic), external breather mod....and this stuff WORKS!
Alot less felt heat on me, and that means a much more efficiently cooled motor. I don't even feel the heat through the seat like I used to....that should say something about dissipating engine heat.
My only mod left to do is the VIED for better fuel/air ratio mixture.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Good work, and we appreciate your business. 👍
@@DKCustomProducts You guys have outstanding products and same level advice/ideas! 👏 👏👏
Without the mods, I would be riding much less comfortably and with much more engine wear and tear from heat related problems.
@@lancek3387 Man, that is great to hear. From Day one our goal has been to enhance folks riding experience.
Thank you for the feedback.
I have a 2011Softail CVO 110 at one time it did run hot, 270 oil temp but now in Texas in August hottest month of year stop and go traffic 235 oil temp. I'm running Oil Bud 37 row cooler with a 313cfm fan on it that comes on at 190 degrees, Love Jugs fan system, External breather ,2 into 1 D&D fat cat and been Dyno tuned also a ribbed billet cover over my oil filter this really works about 8 to 10 degrees on oil temp Harley sold these at one time for $50.00.
Great to hear you have your heat under control. Thank you for your comment.
One way I’ve found in addition is to add a tuner and lower the AFR. A little more fuel sure cooled down my twin cam.
Yes, thank you for the comment. Typically one will see a 10-15* drop when going from the OEM tune to a good tune on a Twin Cam.
Unfortunately it is not a low cost/no cost mod.
However, it is a very important mod on a Twin Cam.
I have a 103 police version Electra with deflectors. But…..the previous owner let mount a blower behind the oilcooler….nice!
Thanks for combining all those free and low cost cooling tips.
Thank you! Appreciate the comment.
I just installed the transformer catch can. And the 828 air filter. Looks fantastic!
Very cool. Thanks for the comment. 👍😎👍
We appreciate your business, and glad you are liking the parts.
@DKCustomProducts I was watching your video on the exhaust that you all put in your after market mufflers. Do you have how to install them video?
Yes, there are quite a few in this playlist- ruclips.net/p/PLb3bvZgbH92-y9LGItkUD9O2fFo3-gtVl
And here is one we did a few months back on a friends bike- ruclips.net/video/FbsPDZNi5Zw/видео.html
Also redirecting the oil exhaust lines away from the air cleaner and into a catch can instead. The oil being forced back into the engine through the air intake adds heat as it forces the engine to work more.
Thank you for watching, we appreciate your comment.
2011 StreetGlide, Open flow Air cleaner, Chrome "Umbrella" Baffle, Floor board extenders
Glad you're enjoying your ride!
I got my first Harley in 1996. Now I know how those shovel head guys felt at that time. I’m now riding a 1998 springer and very few of these ideas apply to me…. however I think I’ll relocate my oil filter. Get it out from in front of my engine and put it out in the wind somewhere. They look cool remotely mounted and the act cool too
Good idea!
Enjoy your ride! 👍
Oil filter relo link- www.dkcustomproducts.com/cnc-oil-filter-relocation-kit-sportster-dyna-softail-touring-dk-cnc-ofr-uni.htm
@@DKCustomProducts that’s perfect!
@@fatboyrowing Good deal man, thanks for watching our videos! Ride safe!
Thanks for your time on these videos.
Glad that you liked it! Thank you for commenting! MB
Interesting on the coil relocate. Mine is behind the plate under the seat. 15 Glide. Pretty sure that is not blocking any air flow to that rear cyl. That said, the DK tank lift and airfoils are awesome on my bike.
Interesting! Thanks for the info and for commenting!
Glad you are liking the tank lift.
Thank you for your business! 😎
But I love the fork fangs on a FLHR!! You guys ruined my day!
Sorry man. They are really good for reducing buffeting...but also really good at reducing the amount of air flowing over the engine.
RUN GOOD OIL!!!!!! most OIL goes shish around 225-250 ... mobil1 vtwin is good to 300... I have run my s&s engine for 17yrs at high rpms in south florida... breaking down the oil runs engine heat up. With the mobil1 she never breaks down. I change oil twice a year and it always looks good. Not even close to being burned up... my bike is chopped as well and hangs out in the air all day. But firm believer in high temp synthetic oils. And mobil1 has never let me down. 17yrs 100mph..
Thank you for sharing your experience. 👍
Northern Canada here, we get 40°C up here in summer...105°F. So the fans are in my future.
That will definitely help! 👍
Stuck in California, for now. Not paying California 100000 for a fine. But as soon as I get back to Idaho I’ll be using your products again. My experience is your right, everyone else is wrong. Electra glide 53 mpg at 80 in Idaho with your products. No tune ran better than stock. I get called a liar as well so don’t worry about it.
Thank you for the comment and kind words.
Quite a few of the mods listed in this video are not in violation of any Cali laws.
Tank Lift
CDW
Exhaust wrap
Floorboard extensions
Coil relocation
Just off the top of my head.
btw, never heard of a private individual getting a fine for making their bike how they want to in Cali...unless they were obnoxious with their exhaust.
Good to hear you've enjoyed our parts in the past, and plan to again.
I bought a love jug that works great only use it when I'm in traffic
Nice. If you run them while riding you will get even more benefit. Rear cylinder runs hotter going down the interstate than in stop n go traffic.
We did a test on that and published the numbers in this video- ruclips.net/video/zmJmpdgBM3A/видео.html
Exhaust wraps help a lot keeping the heat of you
Yes it really does decrease the felt heat! Thanks for commenting
I use Valvoline VR1 in my 93 Harley Heritage Evo. I starting using it from recommendation from others that had the old Evo Big Twin.
That is a good oil.
Have you seen this fun video we made about oil?
You can see it at this link- ruclips.net/video/bNHgNThrqQo/видео.html
Check out Quick Silver synthetic oil. Can usually get a gallon for around $30. The charts show it's better than Amsoil, Mobile One, etc. Definitely cools the bike down a notch.
@@PAULY-P Thanks for the info. You may like this video and comment in it.
ruclips.net/video/bNHgNThrqQo/видео.html
I put a Vance and Hines exhaust on my nitester is awesome.
Good to hear you're enjoying your ride! 👍
Having both of those heat deflectors has made a big difference when stuck in traffic. Before I was burning my 'nads to a crisp. That's why I bought them. I would not remove one.
Thank you for your business! I am so glad you like the products! Thanks for commenting!
Love you guys. Talked to Dwayne today and and ordered a Transformer breather system for my 2022 Road King
Thanks man. Appreciate your business, and I believe you will be well pleased with that.
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Thank you guys for another excellent video. Please keep them coming because these videos or a wealth of information. It's nice to have mechanics like you that can talk about the V-Twin air-cooled motor and get the most performance out of something that supposedlyyyyyyy, old technology. If you take care of it gets your ass home don't it.
Thank you for the kind words, appreciate your comment, and agree with you on motorcycle boots not being made for walking. lol
My 04 ultra runs so hot in the summer that I don’t even want to ride it but I think one of,if not the biggest problem is the true duals with the pipe that comes off the rear jug and directly under my left leg,can’t tell you how many times I’ve burnt my leg on it but I have a 2 into 1 that I’m going to install and do the heat deflectors and hopefully that’ll help,my superglide runs so much cooler it’s not funny but it’s also not a long distance bike,thanks for the vids guys,gonna try some of your suggestions
Glad you like the video! The cooling deflector wings can certainly help push air to the heads and cool it down.
If you haven't taken the CAT out of the exhaust, that can help with a lot of the felt heat.
Also you may want to look at an exhaust wrap. That can also help on the felt heat from your exhaust.
Here is a video about taking the CAT out of your exhaust that you may find useful - ruclips.net/video/ks39Gwb3NdI/видео.html
Here is a video on the exhaust wrap that you may also find useful - ruclips.net/video/Yj7PxZXGhk4/видео.html
Here is a full video list of why and how to cool down your bike - ruclips.net/p/PLb3bvZgbH92_3s-2vv63QggFJ3nteFd_C
Here is a written report that can also be helpful when choosing what items you would like to do to help reduce the heat with charts and heat reduction measurements - www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-the-twin-cam-engine-part-i-dk-cl-tc-dn-1.htm
Please feel free to contact us with any questions you might have;
Support@DKCustomProducts.com
662-252-8828
Thanks for commenting! MB
Adding rear cyclinder air scope on older bikes helps also,if you can find them,,bolts to rear cyclinder head bolt
Yeah, the shovels used to run those pretty regular. 👍
Very informative. My 05 RK is going to go on a diet by loosing a lot shiny deflector parts. I’ve thought about trimming down the factory air box many times and using an external vent. Thanks for the information.
Glad you found it useful, and thank you for the comment. 👍
@@DKCustomProducts I just drilled 2 2 1/8 holes into factory backing plate,already a different sound and better throttle response. Next is the external breathers tomorrow.
@@Jack-wi5qr Good deal, opening up that hot box and stopping that nasty air from going into your intake.
As far as cat removal..check out American customs,awesome company and not very expensive exhaust alternative
Yes, we have quite a few Customers that get their set up and then put the TTI's in them. Turns into a nice exhaust. Here's a video from one of them- ruclips.net/video/Q0GMOkrCdJo/видео.html
@@DKCustomProducts I was referring to head pipe cat,American customs guts out cat and replaces with a power chamber,almost like a 2 into 1 into 2...uses same heat Shields,bike looks stock,sounds great and cuts out heat. Alot cheaper than head pipe replacement
I had a 2016 Fatbob that got HOT. Now I have a 2021 Sport Glide, far less heat.
Yeah, Harley did a better job of isolating the rider and passenger from the heat on the M8's...plus, with the larger oil cooler on the M8 Softails, they do run a bit cooler...but still too hot for their own good.
Enjoy your ride! 👍
Thank you gentlemen.
Glad you are finding the videos useful/interesting. 👍
I rode HDs 45 years. The best thing you can do is buy a big metric cruiser that's liquid cooled. For half the price,
double the HP, and far more reliable.
Different strokes for different folks! Glad you're happy. 👍
Nice info great explaining it as well the only thing I would suggest is maybe mics. The sound is echoing a bit and sounds like you are talking into a barrel
Thanks for the kind words. Glad you're digging the vids.
Yeah, took us some time, and a whole bunch of different mics. We finally have some that are working really well. Check out some of our videos from the last couple of months.
Don’t forget the air deflectors on the bat wing
Great point that we missed. Thank you!!! 👍
Simple, water cooled!
There are no truly water cooled Harley's (except for the Pan America and the new Sportsters, which are not really selling).
Here is a video you may find interesting- ruclips.net/video/wRRtRYWm5rw/видео.html
Thanks for commenting! MB
interesting thanks
Glad you like the video! Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
My 2010 Fatboy is all stock except for pipes and breather, and it runs that hot if I get stuck at a set of lights for 3 or 4 minutes I have to get off stand beside the bike.
Sounds like the engine is just too hot overall and needs some cooling down.
Here is a series of videos that you may find interesting/useful-
ruclips.net/p/PLb3bvZgbH92_3s-2vv63QggFJ3nteFd_C
Thanks for commenting!
Wondering if you have a video on FLASHING a TC103 ECM when replacing a body module.
We do not. Never had to do that, so no opportunity to video it. Thanks for checking.
removing either air deflector likely creates a blow torch for your 2-up rider's leg. Good idea on the floor board extensions...didn't think about that.
In addition to their recommendations...IF you chip away at the engine temp to maintain your ride - spend some bucks for solid results: (1) Use a CLEAN air filter, (2) Use certified HIGH-PERF Oil, like Mobil 1 (API, SH, SG, CF certified), contrary to Harley full-syn 3 w/NO heat/viscosity certs, (3) Heads - install a cooling fan (although, it's a blow torch on the left leg, (4) Oil Cooling/engine cooling - install an oil cooler that's large enough and actually delivers results (Oil Bud system 30 degree drop in oil temp). Oil Bud was pricey, BUT, it made a big positive difference in the bike's performance over the summer in traffic and just plain summer heat.
2012 ultra limited, 110 SE Full Stage V HC pistons/ported heads, 259 cams, S&S cam plate w/ TC-3 oil pump, Basani 2x1 cross-over pipe, VH big ovals, SE 58mm mass air filter, billet rockerbox/high lift rockers, M8 trans, SE clutch pack, man-o-war compenstator, Baker tensioner, Rockford Fosgate Stage III, and 40+ mpg w/a solid tune!
Thanks for the comment, glad you like the video. Some good suggestion you made.
Everyone's experience is different, but ours is, with well over 150k miles of two up riding that there is no blow torch effect on the rider or passengers legs. That is probably a result of having the engine temp down to what HD Corporate says is the optimum temp of 230*F.
We have done a whole series on this subject that can be seen at this link-
ruclips.net/p/PLb3bvZgbH92_3s-2vv63QggFJ3nteFd_C
I've looked at exhaust wraps, but I have heard stories of the wraps holding moisture and causing the pipes to rust out and disintegrate. Any thought or personal experience on this?
Yes, we address them in the video and comments linked here- ruclips.net/video/Yj7PxZXGhk4/видео.html
Don’t forget tyre pressures the higher they are the list the bike has to push down the road keep it cooler and decent oil fully synthetic
You are absolutely correct! We made an entire video on tire pressure, you can see it here- ruclips.net/video/DrLXIhM-eXU/видео.html
You also may like this video- ruclips.net/video/jqBGhvZWOyg/видео.html
Great video guys. Just a little to much eco
Yeah, we were trying new mics that day...We did 5 videos with that set up. 😬 We won't be doing more. Thanks for the feedback.
Oh man…. I love my fangs. I wondered if they had any affect on air hitting the jugs
Yeah, unfortunately they do. It is possible to keep them and keep the temps down, in some cases. Ideal operating temps, per Harley Corporate (not what folks say at dealerships) is 230* F. So if you can keep it there and run the fangs, you're good. Most can't.
Thanks
Great video. Have a good one
Thank you for the comment. Glad you enjoyed and hope your weekend is great!
Great channel guys!
Thank you! 👍
Your products and knowledge are first rate and appreciated. I have purchased you EBS (catch can), oil filter relocation kit, tank lift, decatted my exhaust by way of new header pipes, changed my intake and done a tune on my '19 Street Glide.
Have you tested or an opinion on Harleys oil cooler fan and rear fan? I like the appearance of them over the other options, but is the cooling benefit worth the cost or us money best spent on alternatives?
Thank you for your kind words, and we appreciate your business. 👍
If your oil is going up over 230 F, the oil cooler fan will help cool the oil when at a stop, and up to 30 mph. Above 30 mph the oil cooler fan provides no cooling effect.
The rear fan, aka CoolFlow Fan, is to reduce heat radiating out to the rider and passengers, it does not provide any actual cooling to the engine, but it is effective at reducing felt heat when at a stop or going slowly.
You did not mention, but the Cooling Deflector Wings will reduce actual engine temp by around 10 F when moving.
There is an entire list of things that can be done to reduce actual heat and felt heat at this link- www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-the-twin-cam-engine-part-i-dk-cl-tc-dn-1.htm
There is a video series on the subject at this link- ruclips.net/p/PLb3bvZgbH92_3s-2vv63QggFJ3nteFd_C
Feel free to email or call with any questions:
Support@DKCustomProducts.com
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Thanks! I'll have to look into a couple of these
Cool, good to hear you found it useful. Thank you for the comment. 👍
Thank you for sharing.
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great ideas guys, thanks!
Thanks for watching! Glad you're enjoying.
What if I need the fork fangs to keep the buffeting down on my helmet? Without them my head shakes so bad I can’t see
On average your engine will run 25 F hotter with the fangs. If your temps are not getting too hot with the fangs, that is great.
If you engine temp is too hot, you may want to look at other solutions to reducing buffeting...
Cooling Deflector Wings
Windshield
Helmet
Foot position
etc.
KP
I would like to pull the cats out of my 2020 softail standard and install the tti but really need to hear one upclose, not wanting too loud all the time. Thanks.
That's a good idea...it is not really a reversible procedure. Although, you can probably pick up stock slip-ons pretty cheap at some dealerships.
Here's a vid you may find interesting (it agrees with what you said) - ruclips.net/video/H681dl2X_f4/видео.html
aluminum-bodied reusable oil filter, less oil restriction, faster oil flow, while cooling oil. my oil pressure comes up quicker when starting the bike up. hot or cold.
Yes, definitely a great mod. It is something we do to all our rides.
Here's a video on them- ruclips.net/video/__WbuX1IT1c/видео.html
In the 1980s I rode GoodWings and thought that switching to a Harley with be a hotter ride....WRONG. my first Harley was waaaay cooler riding than the Hondas.
That flat engine sitting right on top of your feet is like riding in an oven.
Harley's do run very hot from the factory, but there are lots of things you can do to reduce the actual heat and the felt heat.
Here is a link to a full play list on Why and How to Cool Down Your Ride that you may find helpful/interesting - ruclips.net/p/PLb3bvZgbH92_3s-2vv63QggFJ3nteFd_C
Here is a written report that you may also find useful - www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-the-twin-cam-engine-part-i-dk-cl-tc-dn-1.htm
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How about the harley cool fan takes the heat from the rear cylinder and blows it down
Yes, that is sorta what they do...they take the hot air from around the rear cylinder and blow it down. They are good for reducing the heat radiating to the passengers legs. HD specifically states, and our testing shows it to be true, that the fan does not reduce the temperature of the rear cylinder at all. But they do make passenger comfort a bit better if they passenger is feeling warm.
I have a 21 Road Glide with the the lower fairing spoiler, HD oil cooler fan, DK catch can w/ external breather, and mid frame deflectors, which I will remove the left side. I also have the Dakota gauges where I can monitor oil temp and head temp. The head temp at its hottest was 333 deg. while the oil temp was 175 deg. This was on a 75-80 day. What are your thoughts I'm not sure if I want to raise the tank. Thanks.
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When you say the head temp at its hottest was 333 F. What was this measured with? The Power Vision ET gauge is what gets the direct temp read out from the embedded OEM heat sensor.
There is a read out on the PV of Cylinder Head Temp, this is not an accurate reading of anything. It is a computed number that is not stable or reliable.
I do know that the oil temp read out on the Dakota Digital has not been accurate the few times we have tested it. We have also had Customers report to us that it is not accurate.
The way you can test your oil temp accuracy is to measure it at the dipstick hole...use a oven thermometer, and see if the reading is close to what the DD is giving you.
Here is a video that I believe will be very useful in explaining the different readings the ECM uses- ruclips.net/video/0vbTkRvFa80/видео.html
One other thing to note, it takes the oil far longer to heat up than the OEM heat sensor. To get an accurate reading, you will want to ride at a good clip (50 mph or more) for close to 45 minutes for the engine to fully warm up and get an accurate read of your fully warmed up oil.
If, after riding for 45 minutes, you are able to verify that the oil (at the dipstick) is 200-230 F and that the heat sensor in the cylinder head is over 300 F, then you will know that your oil cooler is working very well, but that not enough air is getting to the engine to keep it down in the optimum temp range (which for your M8 is between 230-260 F), and that you will benefit from increased air flow to the engine.
I need your help before I buy my next bike. I like the Street Glide and want to buy the ST model. When I do my research on them so many people comment on how bad the wind buffeting is and the best way is to install the fork fangs. But here on this video you say to remove them when the outside temp is 70 and over. Why don't you recommend to remove lowers too, would they also block air like the fork fangs? Can I leave them on and install a oil cooler fan to help things out and not get it too hot? I am in California and can not install any tuner to help out and the FL-ViED Fuel Enrichment for Harley EFI Plug-n-Play you sell are not available for the newer M8. When I ask others about the Street Glide buffeting some say to just get a Road Glide or to install the fork fangs. I would not be running lowers or the wind baffle, just the fangs. If the fork fangs and baffle raise the temp when hot outside by 20 degrees or so, will or can a oil cooler fan lower it back down 20 degrees or so with just the fangs? Will your cooling wings still work with the fangs installed to help things out? Thank You!!
Everybody experiences buffeting differently. So many variables:
How tall
Slouch or sitting up straight
How tall are the handlebars
Backrest or not
Helmet
Foot placement
and much more.
I would recommend riding a Street Glide and seeing if buffeting is even an issue for you.
One of the biggest ways, for many who experience buffeting, to reduce it is to get a recurve windshield.
Lowers do not block air flowing to the engine like the fangs do. Lower push air onto the engine in two ways.
1. They are rounded, with the inside half directing air onto the engine
2. They have vents that can be opened to direct air past the engine
Say your engine is running at 270* and you put fangs on, that bumps it up to 290*, then you put an oil cooler on, that will drop oil temps by about 20* and engine temps by about 10*, so now your engine temp is 280*.
Whereas, if you start at 270* and do an oil cooler (-10* ET), Cooling Deflector Wings (-10* ET), and tank lift (-10* ET), you are now down to 240* ET, a full 50* less than adding fangs, and 40* less than fangs and an oil cooler.
Yes, CDW's will work in conjunction with fangs.
A tank lift and cooling deflector wings do about 70% as much good at reducing buffeting (for those that experience it) as the fangs. BUT, the benefit of the CDW and Lift is that they also cool the engine.
You can see a list of cooling components, including the CDW and Tank Lift at this link- www.dkcustomproducts.com/cooling-components-c661-191.htm
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@@DKCustomProducts Thank you for the help. I am always told to install fangs to get rid of the buffeting. Is there a recipe that will work for cooling that include the installed fangs? I would be installing fangs, replacing the stock oil cooler with the electric fan Harley version like the police bikes come with and doing the wing deflectors you have, would this be OK and reduce the heat enough or are the fangs as you say going to reduce so much wind even with your wind deflectors I should not run them?
@@ericjames7680 There are many things you can do to cool it down...even with the fangs. It is just that you are starting in the hole by 20* with the fangs.
I would do a small tank lift, 1" or 1.5", and the Cooling Deflector Wings. They will still help, even with the fangs installed.
I would get a better oil cooler, the one at the link below will do better than the HD version.
www.dkcustomproducts.com/lowmount-fan-assisted-oil-cooler-system-harley-touring-models-dk-j-751-fp2400.htm
If you are still running to hot after that, then go thru the list at the link below, doing one thing at a time until you get your temps down to a safe range.
www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-the-twin-cam-engine-part-i-dk-cl-tc-dn-1.htm
@@DKCustomProducts Thank you for the help. Perhaps I will forget the FANGS for now. And as you had told us, I just got off the phone with Harley and they stated that 300 degrees is normal, then I told him yes but not at the recommended per manual temp just as you said! I would not be able to install the oil cooler you recommend because this would be a new bike purchase and void my warranty but I think the tank lift and wind deflector you offer would be OK. I would however have them install the Harley part fan/oil cooler that is standard on the Police bikes here in California.
Does adding a tank lift reduce your useable fuel in the tank
Usable fuel capacity is not affected noticeably when lifting the tank, it is the superficial low fuel, like the low fuel light coming on too soon due to the new angle of the tank. You can also add the Deluxe Option to the rear to help off set that low fuel light coming on.
Here is a written report on the tank lifts that you may find useful/interesting. At the bottom of the report is where we talk about fuel capacity - www.dkcustomproducts.com/what-is-a-tank-lift-and-why-do-i-need-one.htm
Here is a video on the subject that you may also find interesting - ruclips.net/video/LShnwlEd7Uw/видео.html
Here is a link to the Tank Lifts if you would like to look at the product page or see some customer reviews- www.dkcustomproducts.com/gas-tank-lift-kits-c4.htm
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geat video. have nice day 🙏🏼🖤
Thanks for the comment. Currently those are not on our list for development.
Adding RVS to the oil should also help, as less heat would then be produced.
Yes, that make sense...but how much of a reduction. Regardless, it seems like it would be useful just for better lubrication. 👍
@@DKCustomProducts When I added RVS to my 1982 BMW R100 engine (in good condition) I didn't feel more power, but temperature came down about 10C on the guage dipstick after 1000 km. But its difficult to notice because it happens so slowly. It did turn the oil black almost right away as it loosens all the dirt before oil change and adding the other half. I know its excellent for restoring compression on worn engines. The Finnish producer says people usually first notice less heat and smoother running. Maybe the best source of info are the TUV and Fraunhofer reports on the Finnish site.
Thank you for the info! Going to look into it. 👍
I enjoy the info
Great to hear, thanks for the comment. 👍
What about fan pulled oil coolers? They're like extensions to the ones already factory installed.
Depending on how you ride, most of the time it is better to cool the metal, so the oil never gets as hot, than to let the metal get hotter and then have to cool the oil after the effect.
I removed the lowers storage compartment wind deflectors from the crash bars on my Ultra Classic. Didn't need the storage anyway and it allowed plenty more air flow past the engine. Cost nothing too.
Good deal! Anything to get that heat down, and for free is even better!
That's got to be one of the goodies beards on the planet.
lol 14 years in the making! 👍😎👍
90/100 degree riding heat, hell no way I am going to torture my self on a hot day.
If you want to ride on HOT days here is a video on helping reduce felt heat that you may find useful/interesting - ruclips.net/video/xjRnteGdH3U/видео.html
Here is a full video playlist on why and how to cool down your bike that you may also find interesting- ruclips.net/p/PLb3bvZgbH92_3s-2vv63QggFJ3nteFd_C
Thanks for commenting! MB
My biggest problem is I got rid of on electraglide because wife wouldn’t never ride with me and kept my Dyna
Now when she does ride said she feels like she is on a birthing table on the Dyna
Swears she will never ride again
Do you have any suggestions for a more comfortable foot peg location as compared to the stock foot pegs
Thanks
Something like the Triple trap, Bear Trap or Primo pegs might be a bit more comfortable than pegs.
Then, if you add heel rests to either of those above, that will give even more foot positions.
Then for a more refined look, but, still with almost as many different positions are these-
www.dkcustomproducts.com/fatty-chrome-iso-footpegs-rubber-cushioned-w-heel-rest-dk-ky-iso-c-hr-f.htm
She might also be more comfortable if the ride is not so rough, anywhere from the Bitubo's up to the NexGens.
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The best low cost way of cooling down your Harley is#1 don’t ride in Texas summers.
#2) Ride north as far north as you can in the summer, or move North for the summer and move back in winter!
#3) buy a Honda because it’s liquid cooled and still ride North.
#4) put skis on your Harley and turn into a personal watercraft!
#5) sale it buy something that’s not woke! I personally like number 4 but I’ve got a 2001 prewoke Harley so #4 does not apply to me or anyone with a prewoke model!
Lol! There are mods that can be done to cool down the Woke Bikes. Since you do not have a woke bike you may not need them, but the information in the video and our Why and How to Cool Down Your TC/M8 report is helpful information for those that do have woke bikes or heating issues.
Thank you for commenting! MB
I have an 2006 softail Delux what can I do to make my bike run even cooler???
There is a list in this report- www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-your-twin-cam-engine-part-ii-dk-cl-tc-dn-2.htm
The items relevant to your 2006 are listed below
A good tune
#2, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, & 14.
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I watched this video before I purchased some fork fangs.
Here is a video on how crucial air flow is to your Harley that you may find helpful/interesting - ruclips.net/video/RL2yTgROoAw/видео.html
No drain plug or oil filter [ Shovelhead ] Adding remote oil filter lowers oil temperatures .
Thanks for sharing! 👍😎👍
Harley-Davidson has been making motorcycles for 118 years... They've got to get it Right sooner or later... 'Nuff said!!!...
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But will they? 🤔
@@Kris_P._Bey_Ken They have been doing a lot right...they have a good share of the market, and lots of us enjoy riding them. The coming years definitely hold some new challenges for them.
@@DKCustomProducts lately they've been doing alright. I'm quoting others "harley has bikes with yesterdays technology with tomorrows prices"
Ok, I thinking about adding one Mid frame shield/scoop , but for the mid-frame shields, looking it over, I'm going to have to ask as a matter of engine cooling only (not rider comfort issue considered): Don't you think removing only the right side (rather than the left) would better serve? The left side shield is farther from the cylinder head and partly due to being out from the cylinder and not having a large airfilter box in front of it, its likely can scoop more air due to this, and by removing the Much-closer to the cylinder, right side shield.. I wondering,, wouldn't esp at no or slow movement traffic, that the heat could escape easier as opposed to the left side (since the cylinder is tucked farther under the tank)?
We recommend having the right side deflector in place and no deflector on the left for the following reasons.
1. There is more heat on the right, so having the scoop there also shields the rider and passenger from some of that heat.
2. The air flows much smoother from right to left, than left to right. So by leaving it on the right, it will result in more and faster flow of air past the rear cylinder.
3. If at any point you decide to add cooling fans, then #2 above is even more significant
This has been our experience, both in real life testing and with a fan and smoke pen. We did not video that, so we may do that experiment again with the smoke pen & video it this time.
It is so sad that HD haven't fixed this overheating issue for decades. All of those smart engineers and a HD still need to be cooled down with aftermarket modifications. I will stick with Indian or Goldwing.
They are in a catch-22 between regulators and Customers that want the traditional look and sound. Video on the subject here- ruclips.net/video/N0kLaVQhbW4/видео.html
How about an ultra cool aux oil cooler?
They definitely work. All our testing shows that the Jagg oil coolers are more effective, and they have a better warranty also. You can see them at this link- www.dkcustomproducts.com/oil-coolers-c134.htm
That said, the ultra cool will perform better than the OEM. Depending on what bike you have, the UC may want you to cut your lower fairing for install. I would NOT do that.
Adding an oil cooler or lower the oil temp 20ﾟ.
???
Harley Davidson needs to start building liquid cooled engines period. Harley Davidson motorcycles no matter how much technology they come up with here in 2021 heat is still killing them.
No doubt they have tried many times...the bikes did not sell well...VRod & Streets. Their newest attempt is the RevMax is yet to be seen how it will sell. We will know in the next year or two.
Here is a video we made on the very subject that you bring up- ruclips.net/video/mzzc-ydotOQ/видео.html
Porsche had to do away with air cooled engines to get more HP
@@UncleFjester True that.
my rgu is liquid cooled and has the EITMS system too, which i think they did alright at
@@TheDags75 Thanks for the comment.
Not sure if you realize, the Twin Cooled is only liquid cooled around the exhaust valves. No other part of the engine is liquid cooled. They actually run hotter than the non Twin Cooled bikes for a couple of reasons. We did a video on it that is linked below.
Also, Harley specifically states the the EITMS is only for rider and passenger comfort when stopped, that it does not do anything to make the engine actually run cooler.
ruclips.net/video/6AhPqVlvE-w/видео.html
A flo oil filter, it cooled mine 10°+
Good deal! We have not seen those kind of drops on our testing, glad you got them. Here is a link to where we list what kind of temp drops we have gotten from various mods.
www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-your-twin-cam-engine-part-ii-dk-cl-tc-dn-2.htm
Removing the cat on my 100% stock 22 road glide, wouldn’t that require tuning?
I don't believe so, but we have not had a '22 on the dyno yet to see how the AFR's look. On the 2017-2021 models it is not necessary.
ruclips.net/video/Lb_57Z_Ipms/видео.html
Does removing the cat help cool down the engine or the exhaust?
Removing the cat will reduce felt heat. It does not reduce actual engine heat. You may find this video on the 2 kinds of heat useful/interesting- ruclips.net/video/N0kLaVQhbW4/видео.html
The big holes in de aircleaner is not good! Now it sucks very hot air into the engine which is bad for the performance.
Yeah, it is a catch-22 with the factory air cleaner. The best thing is to use a true performance air cleaner (see video link below).
But if one is using the stock air cleaner, having the holes in the plastic backplate will help it run better/cooler, even though the holes are near the engine, they will help the intake air be cooler, whenever the bike is moving.
ruclips.net/video/tJXGEwLCNDw/видео.html