@@UniverseStrongestWarriorMore than once in at least one of their cases. He abandoned John in the bank robbery, and didn’t even want to rescue him, and he lied about it. There’s also the question on whether or not Dutch knew Colm was holding Arthur captive, and chose not to rescue him. Granted, we don’t know for sure if Dutch knew or not, if Colm told Dutch. But it’s entirely possible
The only reason he didn’t snitch is because he didn’t know where the gang had set up camp. He definitely would have ratted them out, the gang was just lucky he didn’t have any real information
This should be titled loyalty to Dutch not the gang. If this were actually based on the gang Arthur would be number 1 and Dutch and Micah would be at the bottom.
i feel like this guy didnt even play the game. arthur was loyal to Dutch up until the end. He went back to camp after he found out micha is the rat just to tell dutch. in the standoff at the end arthur only pointed his gun at dutch after dutch started to point his gun at him and sided with micha. he only went again dutch because he cared about the other members and he cared about dutch and tried to reason with him. his last words to dutch were "i gave YOU all i had". But yeah let rank him 11 on the loyalty scale for dutch and the gang. Also bro said arthur left the gang. like what?
Hey man, I tried to make it clear that this is loyalty to the gang, not loyalty to other people and I feel like that’s pretty clear when listening to the Dutch part
@@RedDeadTierLists -Yeah, Arthur is in the gang. Dutch betrays the gang over and over and over. If it was supposed to be just loyalty to Dutch you should have titled it appropriately.
@@RedDeadTierLists No, because you consider loyalty in this context to be loyalty to Dutch. You have Arthur so low because he ‘betrays’ Dutch and Mica by the end of the game; but his ‘betrayal’ is that he’s saving members of the gang. The entire last chapter he is trying to get Dutch to remember the principles the gang was founded on, while Micah was doing the opposite. Arthur isn’t directly loyal to Dutch, he is loyal to the ideals and people that make up the Van Der Linde Gang
@@wuzziecrunch5382Plus, Dutch literally betrayed Arthur first, and other members of the gang even before Arthur’s loyalty shifted. Dutch literally abandoned John in the bank robbery, and was gonna let John hang, and for what exactly? There’s also the question on whether or not Dutch knew Arthur was kidnapped by Colm. There’s no confirmation on if Dutch actually knew or suspected, or if Micah told him some cock and bull that Arthur probably stayed behind to keep his eye on the O’Driscolls. But it’s entirely possible Dutch might’ve known, but didn’t go after.
I really enjoyed watching your video as usual, but I'm afraid I disagree with your opinion this time. As you said at the end of the video, it's a ranking of the gang members loyalty to Dutch. However, I think it's more important to rank them according to their loyalty to the gang as a hole: - For starters, I'd rank bottom Micah instead of Trelawny. Sure, both ultimately cared for what was best for them but Trelawny never did anything against anyone in the gang. - Maybe Molly should be second to the bottom, she didn't care for anyone in the gang except Dutch and only while he cared about her. - Jack should just not be qualified, although it was a fun :) - When it became clear that Dutch was driving the gang of a cliff, gang members had to choose. Be loyal to Dutch while it could hurt my friends or be loyal to my friends abandoning the gang... In this case, what is really being loyal to the gang. - Dutch in the end only cared for his ego and would even sacrifice gang members to get his way. Remember leaving John rotting in the penitenciary. Is he really loyal to the gang? So to sum up, this video should be titled "Ranking Every Van Der Linde Gang Member By Their Loyalty (To Dutch)" XD Still, I enjoyed your video, so good job.
Bro didn't play the game. She never ratted out the gang. Milton boasts at the end of the game to Arthur how Molly never gave them any information and they had to let her go. She said she ratted out the gang because she was manic and losing her mind from being obsessed with Dutch and needing his attention to the point that she didn't care if it was his blind rage directed at her, it was still his attention. She said she ratted the gang out just to get a reaction from Dutch.
Make up your mind, are you ranking for loyalty to the Gang or to Dutch? Dutch was not loyal to the Gang anymore than Micah, Dutch used the gang to get what he wanted, Arthur saw this in Guarma. Arthur had Loyalty to the Gang, he stayed through Ch. 6 because of his loyalty to the Gang, wanting everyone to be safe, and together if he could, while Dutch and Micah destroyed it.
fucking exactly bro. like this guy is all over the place. he puts dutch on first spot because he would be loyal to himself so that's what it would means to be loyal to the gang=be loyal tu dutch yet in a comment he says it not about the loyality to dutch or a person but to the gang as a whole. im fairly sure this guy hasn't played the game at all
Trelawny is definitely more loyal than Micah, and he doesn’t always help the gang for his own personal benefit. Need I remind you that Trelawny was the one who found Sean, who was captured in Blackwater? There was no financial stake in a rescue mission from a town where every Lawman and Pinkerton want Van Der Linde’s head. No reward, not for one’s personal gain anyway. But Trelawny helped anyway.
Trelawny wasn’t disloyal. I mean he didn’t talk when he was beaten and tortured. He definitely did care about what happened to them and especially Arthur. He seemed to genuinely care about him
I find it very ironic that the actor that plays Bill is actually super intelligent irl. Despite the fact I disagree with your tier scale this time, it was still a well put together video & you made good arguments for your opinion. Like others have said, I would judge loyalty to the gang as a whole, not just loyalty to Dutch.
This list ain’t it. So much to mention, but here are a few. Trelawny didn’t rat out the gang when he was captured. Uncle actually contributed unlike Swanson, and Arthur Morgan was the most loyal to the gang. He took his dying breath trying to help whoever he could in the gang. Being loyal to Dutch is NOT the same as being loyal to the gang.
I mean trelawny also helped the gang. Arthur says to Charles about Trelawny "just as we think about cutting ties with him, he brings something useful. I guess that's his luck" something like that
I dont understand why people value loyalty so much, as Arthur said "be loyal to what matters" and if what/who you was loyal to, became bad. Why be loyal to it anymore
I don't like Sadie that much but I have to say she's been very loyal for example after the failed robbery in Saint Denis she helped the gang fleeing almost single handed and after Guarma Strauss even said it
Ngl this is probably your worst list, because of how sloppy and inconsistent it is throughout. Micah should be last, because while Trelawny dipped whenever he pleased, he always eventually came back and gave valuable information. He also at least cared about the gang, yet he's below a traitor that never cared for anybody. Pearson should be higher. He cooked for 20+ people every single day and waited for them to eat first before him. He's underrated imo. Arthur being that low is the biggest offense here. Dutch betrayed him first, but even then, Arthur technically didn't betray Dutch, he just wanted to prevent folks from getting killed. Despite his madness, Arthur still stayed with Dutch 'till the very end, even after being left for dead and getting betrayed. He stayed with the camp as long as Hosea, but apparently Hosea is in second because he "went along with it". Wasn't Arthur doing the same? Dutch being number 1 is just corny and predictable. Dutch wasn't loyal to his gang, everything was for his own self-interest. If this list was about loyalty to Dutch instead, why include him? Of course the narcissistic leader would be the most loyal to himself lol. TL;DR: L list
This is a very weird take on what loyalty means in this context. Most of the people you put at the bottom are the MOST LOYAL, The gang is not Dutch, the gang is the people in it. Nothing more, nothing less.
Pearson was one of the first members of the gang, as showed in the epilogue, where he looks at an old picture of the gang. He misses it for sure, so i think he should go higher
It depends what you consider loyalty to. Arthur was the most loyal in the fact that he was loyal to the people and their survival. He’s a truest loyal person because he actually wanted to help
This kind of just a ranking of how much the members contribute to the gang, with like a pinch of loyalty effecting the ranking. I don’t understand this video at all... Also this titled “Ranking Every Van Der Linde Gang Member By Their Loyalty” but then at the end you admit that its loyalty towards Dutch. Even if it was just loyalty to Dutch than this ranking would still be very different so I really don’t know.
This is quite literally Dutch's gang, so of course loyalty to him is loyalty to the gang. Very good list. This backlash is what happens when you dare insult the community's favorite cowboy Arthur Boregan.
The Gang started as a Robin Hood esk group, with rules in place to uphold this. Dutch broke a lot of them to protect his hide, he killed Heidi McCourt, when he preaches not to kill innocents he left Marston for dead twice when he says to never leave a man behind, took revenge on Colm and Cornwall twice, which he preached was a fool's luxury. Power corrupts is another thing he preached, but apparently none of it applied to him, he betrayed the gang the moment he killed Heidi on the boat
alright mister bell.... no seriously tho, the whole rdr2 fandom in general is js arthur meatriders (i say this being an arthur lover myself) like he can do no wrong when he, like the other gang members, is a murderous outlaw
I would say Arthur was very loyal to the gang, since he only goes against them when Dutch tries leaving John behind, who he is also loyal to, and after Dutch betrays Arthur, really the only members he wasn’t loyal to were Dutch, Micha, Strauss, Joe, and Cleet. Or at least I assume, we don’t get to seem Arthur talk to Joe and Cleet much.
Bro, Arthur lived his entire life to the end for the gang and Dutch chose Micah’s side, he always returned to the gang even if he questioned the plans. If Arthur isn’t at the very least in the top 5 it’s a terrible take
Let's see acts of disloyalty by Dutch 1) Betrayed Arthur inside Cornwall oil factory just because he was doing things on his own. 2) Didn't try to help John escape because he thought John was the rat without any evidence. 3) Betrayed John again during train shootout. 4) Betrayed Abigail by not saving her 5) Betrayed his own ideals by which he taught the gang to live by. 6) Didn't shoot stop or shoot Micah, when Micah had shot Suzan for no reason. This list is purely based on loyalty to Dutch. If this was loyalty to gang, definity Arthur and Hosea would be top 2
*JACK IS A GODDAMN CHILD! WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?! BY YOUR ANALYSIS YOU SOUND LIKE YOU’RE DAEMONIZING HIM FOR NOT HAVING LEAD THE BOAT ROBBERY OR THE ST. DENIS BANK ROBBERY!* *HE NEVER HAD A GODDAMN CHOICE IN THE MATTER. CALLING A CHILD WHO HAD NO CHOICE, AND TALKING ABOUT HIM THE WAY YOU DO, IS JUST OBSCENE.* You’re not even talking about loyalty. You’re talking about people blindly bowing to Dutch’s will.
Bill and Javier should be 2nd and 3rd place honestly. They felt like they owed Dutch their lives and were by his side literally to the very end. Lenny should have also been a few spots lower as he was VERY loyal to Arthur and is intelligent and wouldve realized that Dutch is falling apart. Grimshaw should also be lower as she did pull a gun on Dutch and all of them.
this list lacks structure my man. loyalty to the gang or loyalty to dutch? Trelawny wasn't a part of the gang but he didn't snitch even when tortured by the bounty hunters wich makes him much more loyal than Molly, Micah, Mary-Beth and probably even Swanson
Jack Marston getting smoke for being “unloyal” to the gang while he was FIVE YEARS OLD is cracking me tf up 🤣🤣🤣🤣 talking about doing train robberies and shit, I can’t tell if this guy is being sarcastic or not 🤣
disagree with arthurs low ranking. he literally went back in the end to reveal micah to dutch idk how tilly is more loyal then arthur lmao but good video regardless
Uncle is a lot more loyal than you’re putting him. He was with the gang up until he knew that staying in it was stupid. It could be argued he was not loyal to Dutch but that’s because at the point we start the game the gang was already on the decline and you can see a conversation between Dutch and Uncle in Chapter 2 explaining his doubts. I think prior to Red Dead 2 Uncle was more loyal to Dutch as that was when Dutch was leading the gang better.
And how is Arthur not Number 1? He did literally everything for the gang, as a whole and individually for people. Even when he disagreed with the methods and reasons of what was going on he still did what was asked of him. How is that not loyalty???🤔
i disagree bc arthur isnt really loyal like hosea or bill/javier, like javier is insanely loyal to an insane degree, arthur atleast acknowledges dutch's deteriorating mental state which can be seen as disloyalty (especially in dutch's eyes) it depends on what you count being loyal to dutch/the gang to mean
Dutch is not loyal in any sense to the gang. He’s loyal to himself he constantly puts himself at a higher priority than the rest of the gang, which is disloyalty by definition. an Arthur should be the most loyal person and this is shown just by the fact he went back to tell Dutch that Micah was the rat and expose him if he wanted to. He could’ve ran away, but he decided to go back and try one last time to get Dutch to come back to rationality
This list is bad trewlany wasn’t a outlaw he was a regular dude that had ties to the gang Micah is a snaking rat and Dutch a snake too and Jack is 5 he still waited for the Pinkertons to leave to ask Arthur why he lied
Many members of the gang stick with dutch because of the same interest. Please think properly. Being loyal to the gang is different to being loyal to dutch since dutch himself is not loyal to the gang.
I think Sttauss was more loyal than u gave him credit for because he kept his mouth he shut he never gave a peice of info on the gang not because he didn't kno anything but because he really was loyal
It's not the loyalty to the gang, but the loyalty to Dutch. Dutch isn't loyal to the gang.
This is absolutely spot on, lists a bit all over
He was loyal
@@piotr3580he abandoned authur, John, and Abigail all at one point in the story
@@UniverseStrongestWarriorMore than once in at least one of their cases. He abandoned John in the bank robbery, and didn’t even want to rescue him, and he lied about it.
There’s also the question on whether or not Dutch knew Colm was holding Arthur captive, and chose not to rescue him. Granted, we don’t know for sure if Dutch knew or not, if Colm told Dutch. But it’s entirely possible
BRO TRELAWNY LITERALLY DIDNT SNITCH WHEN GETTING BEATEN AT BRAITHWAITE
MANOR HOW IS HE NOT LOYAL
What mission are you talking about good sir?
@@joeboah6040chapter 3, he got kidnapped by bounty hunters and you go look for him in the corn fields with Charles
The only reason he didn’t snitch is because he didn’t know where the gang had set up camp. He definitely would have ratted them out, the gang was just lucky he didn’t have any real information
@@joeboah6040 Magicians for Sport
@@joeboah6040 Magicians for Sport
This should be titled loyalty to Dutch not the gang. If this were actually based on the gang Arthur would be number 1 and Dutch and Micah would be at the bottom.
i feel like this guy didnt even play the game. arthur was loyal to Dutch up until the end. He went back to camp after he found out micha is the rat just to tell dutch. in the standoff at the end arthur only pointed his gun at dutch after dutch started to point his gun at him and sided with micha. he only went again dutch because he cared about the other members and he cared about dutch and tried to reason with him. his last words to dutch were "i gave YOU all i had". But yeah let rank him 11 on the loyalty scale for dutch and the gang.
Also bro said arthur left the gang. like what?
This is wildly off on multiple fronts. Dutch betrayed everyone whenever it was convenient, Arthur was loyal to him even AFTER Dutch betrayed him.
Hey man, I tried to make it clear that this is loyalty to the gang, not loyalty to other people and I feel like that’s pretty clear when listening to the Dutch part
@@RedDeadTierLists -Yeah, Arthur is in the gang. Dutch betrays the gang over and over and over. If it was supposed to be just loyalty to Dutch you should have titled it appropriately.
When Molly is above Jack and uncle ☠️
Bro hasn't finished the game...
Jack should be lower than all of them, the boah just kept leechin'.
Man didn't let it slip arthur was lying about seeing Dutch so there was some loyalty
@@SawyerFools Kay fine, ill give that to the boah. Still a leech but more like uncle.
this list is fucked up from start to finish
Just because Micah isn’t last?
i think you have a different idea of loyalty then most
no. but because Arthur is the eleventh, even though he could have easily stepped down when dutch was going crazy
@@RedDeadTierLists No, because you consider loyalty in this context to be loyalty to Dutch. You have Arthur so low because he ‘betrays’ Dutch and Mica by the end of the game; but his ‘betrayal’ is that he’s saving members of the gang. The entire last chapter he is trying to get Dutch to remember the principles the gang was founded on, while Micah was doing the opposite. Arthur isn’t directly loyal to Dutch, he is loyal to the ideals and people that make up the Van Der Linde Gang
@@wuzziecrunch5382Plus, Dutch literally betrayed Arthur first, and other members of the gang even before Arthur’s loyalty shifted.
Dutch literally abandoned John in the bank robbery, and was gonna let John hang, and for what exactly?
There’s also the question on whether or not Dutch knew Arthur was kidnapped by Colm. There’s no confirmation on if Dutch actually knew or suspected, or if Micah told him some cock and bull that Arthur probably stayed behind to keep his eye on the O’Driscolls. But it’s entirely possible Dutch might’ve known, but didn’t go after.
dutch left 3 people to die 💀
I really enjoyed watching your video as usual, but I'm afraid I disagree with your opinion this time. As you said at the end of the video, it's a ranking of the gang members loyalty to Dutch. However, I think it's more important to rank them according to their loyalty to the gang as a hole:
- For starters, I'd rank bottom Micah instead of Trelawny. Sure, both ultimately cared for what was best for them but Trelawny never did anything against anyone in the gang.
- Maybe Molly should be second to the bottom, she didn't care for anyone in the gang except Dutch and only while he cared about her.
- Jack should just not be qualified, although it was a fun :)
- When it became clear that Dutch was driving the gang of a cliff, gang members had to choose. Be loyal to Dutch while it could hurt my friends or be loyal to my friends abandoning the gang... In this case, what is really being loyal to the gang.
- Dutch in the end only cared for his ego and would even sacrifice gang members to get his way. Remember leaving John rotting in the penitenciary. Is he really loyal to the gang?
So to sum up, this video should be titled "Ranking Every Van Der Linde Gang Member By Their Loyalty (To Dutch)" XD
Still, I enjoyed your video, so good job.
how is molly more loyal than uncle? dude died defending the marstons and Molly failed at ratting out the gang
Bro didn't play the game. She never ratted out the gang. Milton boasts at the end of the game to Arthur how Molly never gave them any information and they had to let her go. She said she ratted out the gang because she was manic and losing her mind from being obsessed with Dutch and needing his attention to the point that she didn't care if it was his blind rage directed at her, it was still his attention.
She said she ratted the gang out just to get a reaction from Dutch.
Make up your mind, are you ranking for loyalty to the Gang or to Dutch? Dutch was not loyal to the Gang anymore than Micah, Dutch used the gang to get what he wanted, Arthur saw this in Guarma. Arthur had Loyalty to the Gang, he stayed through Ch. 6 because of his loyalty to the Gang, wanting everyone to be safe, and together if he could, while Dutch and Micah destroyed it.
fucking exactly bro. like this guy is all over the place. he puts dutch on first spot because he would be loyal to himself so that's what it would means to be loyal to the gang=be loyal tu dutch yet in a comment he says it not about the loyality to dutch or a person but to the gang as a whole. im fairly sure this guy hasn't played the game at all
Nice tier list bro so accurate please dont make anymore ❤
Trelawny is definitely more loyal than Micah, and he doesn’t always help the gang for his own personal benefit.
Need I remind you that Trelawny was the one who found Sean, who was captured in Blackwater? There was no financial stake in a rescue mission from a town where every Lawman and Pinkerton want Van Der Linde’s head. No reward, not for one’s personal gain anyway. But Trelawny helped anyway.
Uncle was very loyal imo
Trelawny wasn’t disloyal. I mean he didn’t talk when he was beaten and tortured. He definitely did care about what happened to them and especially Arthur. He seemed to genuinely care about him
I find it very ironic that the actor that plays Bill is actually super intelligent irl.
Despite the fact I disagree with your tier scale this time, it was still a well put together video & you made good arguments for your opinion. Like others have said, I would judge loyalty to the gang as a whole, not just loyalty to Dutch.
This list ain’t it. So much to mention, but here are a few. Trelawny didn’t rat out the gang when he was captured. Uncle actually contributed unlike Swanson, and Arthur Morgan was the most loyal to the gang. He took his dying breath trying to help whoever he could in the gang. Being loyal to Dutch is NOT the same as being loyal to the gang.
besides being very off on multiple fronts how in the world did you write so many names so wrong xD
Your channel is very specific and I love it
I mean trelawny also helped the gang.
Arthur says to Charles about Trelawny "just as we think about cutting ties with him, he brings something useful. I guess that's his luck" something like that
I dont understand why people value loyalty so much, as Arthur said "be loyal to what matters"
and if what/who you was loyal to, became bad. Why be loyal to it anymore
Arthur was loyal to the gang they just weren’t loyal to him
I don't like Sadie that much but I have to say she's been very loyal for example after the failed robbery in Saint Denis she helped the gang fleeing almost single handed and after Guarma Strauss even said it
Ngl this is probably your worst list, because of how sloppy and inconsistent it is throughout. Micah should be last, because while Trelawny dipped whenever he pleased, he always eventually came back and gave valuable information. He also at least cared about the gang, yet he's below a traitor that never cared for anybody.
Pearson should be higher. He cooked for 20+ people every single day and waited for them to eat first before him. He's underrated imo.
Arthur being that low is the biggest offense here. Dutch betrayed him first, but even then, Arthur technically didn't betray Dutch, he just wanted to prevent folks from getting killed. Despite his madness, Arthur still stayed with Dutch 'till the very end, even after being left for dead and getting betrayed. He stayed with the camp as long as Hosea, but apparently Hosea is in second because he "went along with it". Wasn't Arthur doing the same?
Dutch being number 1 is just corny and predictable. Dutch wasn't loyal to his gang, everything was for his own self-interest. If this list was about loyalty to Dutch instead, why include him? Of course the narcissistic leader would be the most loyal to himself lol.
TL;DR: L list
This is a very weird take on what loyalty means in this context. Most of the people you put at the bottom are the MOST LOYAL, The gang is not Dutch, the gang is the people in it. Nothing more, nothing less.
Very poorly made video, needs to have a new title.
I hope that you get more people to subscribe asap!! Love your videos, keep up the good work my man!!!!
Pearson was one of the first members of the gang, as showed in the epilogue, where he looks at an old picture of the gang. He misses it for sure, so i think he should go higher
Good vid but Charles that low is a crime
It depends what you consider loyalty to. Arthur was the most loyal in the fact that he was loyal to the people and their survival. He’s a truest loyal person because he actually wanted to help
The list is fucked
never rate again bro 😭
This kind of just a ranking of how much the members contribute to the gang, with like a pinch of loyalty effecting the ranking. I don’t understand this video at all... Also this titled “Ranking Every Van Der Linde Gang Member By Their Loyalty” but then at the end you admit that its loyalty towards Dutch. Even if it was just loyalty to Dutch than this ranking would still be very different so I really don’t know.
This is quite literally Dutch's gang, so of course loyalty to him is loyalty to the gang.
Very good list. This backlash is what happens when you dare insult the community's favorite cowboy Arthur Boregan.
The Gang started as a Robin Hood esk group, with rules in place to uphold this. Dutch broke a lot of them to protect his hide, he killed Heidi McCourt, when he preaches not to kill innocents he left Marston for dead twice when he says to never leave a man behind, took revenge on Colm and Cornwall twice, which he preached was a fool's luxury. Power corrupts is another thing he preached, but apparently none of it applied to him, he betrayed the gang the moment he killed Heidi on the boat
alright mister bell....
no seriously tho, the whole rdr2 fandom in general is js arthur meatriders (i say this being an arthur lover myself) like he can do no wrong when he, like the other gang members, is a murderous outlaw
I would say Arthur was very loyal to the gang, since he only goes against them when Dutch tries leaving John behind, who he is also loyal to, and after Dutch betrays Arthur, really the only members he wasn’t loyal to were Dutch, Micha, Strauss, Joe, and Cleet. Or at least I assume, we don’t get to seem Arthur talk to Joe and Cleet much.
“no one wanted to shoot molly” yea miss grimshaw shot her but dutch wouldve shot her if it werent for arthur lol
Uncle is the most loyal in the game he got kidnapped by the skinners and he didnt tell them where john and abigail are
That's not the gang 😭
@@Reverse_Goat it is in the end?
@@YingYang1259 The gang got ditched after 1899
@@Reverse_Goat and the last of the people in the gang that didnt do their own thing are sadie charles uncle and johns family 💀
The most loyal members would have side with dutch
Anybody got a ‘the gang’ counter 😂
Bro, Arthur lived his entire life to the end for the gang and Dutch chose Micah’s side, he always returned to the gang even if he questioned the plans. If Arthur isn’t at the very least in the top 5 it’s a terrible take
Let's see acts of disloyalty by Dutch
1) Betrayed Arthur inside Cornwall oil factory just because he was doing things on his own.
2) Didn't try to help John escape because he thought John was the rat without any evidence.
3) Betrayed John again during train shootout.
4) Betrayed Abigail by not saving her
5) Betrayed his own ideals by which he taught the gang to live by.
6) Didn't shoot stop or shoot Micah, when Micah had shot Suzan for no reason.
This list is purely based on loyalty to Dutch. If this was loyalty to gang, definity Arthur and Hosea would be top 2
you were jumping all over between it being ranked by loyalty to dutch and loyalty to the gang
Arthur is loyal to the gang till the end, but not to Dutch
I just want to say that i appreciete all things you do so keep creating this golden content and dont listen to haters
Thank you!
*JACK IS A GODDAMN CHILD! WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?! BY YOUR ANALYSIS YOU SOUND LIKE YOU’RE DAEMONIZING HIM FOR NOT HAVING LEAD THE BOAT ROBBERY OR THE ST. DENIS BANK ROBBERY!*
*HE NEVER HAD A GODDAMN CHOICE IN THE MATTER. CALLING A CHILD WHO HAD NO CHOICE, AND TALKING ABOUT HIM THE WAY YOU DO, IS JUST OBSCENE.*
You’re not even talking about loyalty. You’re talking about people blindly bowing to Dutch’s will.
How could Jack work on the train heist?!
Hes joking bro
Bill and Javier should be 2nd and 3rd place honestly. They felt like they owed Dutch their lives and were by his side literally to the very end. Lenny should have also been a few spots lower as he was VERY loyal to Arthur and is intelligent and wouldve realized that Dutch is falling apart. Grimshaw should also be lower as she did pull a gun on Dutch and all of them.
this list lacks structure my man. loyalty to the gang or loyalty to dutch? Trelawny wasn't a part of the gang but he didn't snitch even when tortured by the bounty hunters wich makes him much more loyal than Molly, Micah, Mary-Beth and probably even Swanson
Jack Marston getting smoke for being “unloyal” to the gang while he was FIVE YEARS OLD is cracking me tf up 🤣🤣🤣🤣 talking about doing train robberies and shit, I can’t tell if this guy is being sarcastic or not 🤣
DUDE, jake is a kid, i wouldent even place him on the list, he 4 flipping years old
disagree with arthurs low ranking. he literally went back in the end to reveal micah to dutch idk how tilly is more loyal then arthur lmao but good video regardless
Josiah trewlany at 24 is crazy but I get were your coming from
I’m with you, Jack was a deadbeat! 😂
Worst list ever
Imagine a kid being more loyal to a gang than you 💀
Why is Jack even included? He’s a CHILD. He’s not a gang member ffs
Molly didn’t rat out she was bluffing
Uncle is a lot more loyal than you’re putting him. He was with the gang up until he knew that staying in it was stupid. It could be argued he was not loyal to Dutch but that’s because at the point we start the game the gang was already on the decline and you can see a conversation between Dutch and Uncle in Chapter 2 explaining his doubts. I think prior to Red Dead 2 Uncle was more loyal to Dutch as that was when Dutch was leading the gang better.
You handle the understanding of these characters so rigidly be careful
And how is Arthur not Number 1? He did literally everything for the gang, as a whole and individually for people. Even when he disagreed with the methods and reasons of what was going on he still did what was asked of him. How is that not loyalty???🤔
arthur is first no ifs ands or buts
i disagree bc arthur isnt really loyal like hosea or bill/javier, like javier is insanely loyal to an insane degree, arthur atleast acknowledges dutch's deteriorating mental state which can be seen as disloyalty (especially in dutch's eyes)
it depends on what you count being loyal to dutch/the gang to mean
not saying he aint loyal though bc he is still def like top 5 or so
Dutch is not loyal in any sense to the gang. He’s loyal to himself he constantly puts himself at a higher priority than the rest of the gang, which is disloyalty by definition. an Arthur should be the most loyal person and this is shown just by the fact he went back to tell Dutch that Micah was the rat and expose him if he wanted to. He could’ve ran away, but he decided to go back and try one last time to get Dutch to come back to rationality
This list is bad trewlany wasn’t a outlaw he was a regular dude that had ties to the gang Micah is a snaking rat and Dutch a snake too and Jack is 5 he still waited for the Pinkertons to leave to ask Arthur why he lied
Many members of the gang stick with dutch because of the same interest. Please think properly. Being loyal to the gang is different to being loyal to dutch since dutch himself is not loyal to the gang.
Strauss was loyal he died not ratting on the gang what are you talking about
I think Sttauss was more loyal than u gave him credit for because he kept his mouth he shut he never gave a peice of info on the gang not because he didn't kno anything but because he really was loyal
I am sorry but I strongly disagree with Arthur, when it comes to loyalty, he was the most loyal member of the gang
So you're supposed to have blind loyalty to someone when you see its leading to your demise🤔 I guess fuck self preservation
Boy you are starting off on a Bad foot already
What kind of loyalty is this dude looking for?? To Dutch?? This list is messed up
Trelawney is loyal to the vibe
Trelawny was loyal to what matters
L opinion after L opinion
Arthur was built on loyalty 💯this makes no sense
24 abigails roberts
I agree she should be low but not at last. I know there are rumors of her being the second rat but it isn’t confirmed so we shouldn’t pretend it is.
@@GlitchStock for me She not the second rat She the only rat and She steal the dutch Key
L list ngl
I request to make a horse tier list
The most loyal is Havier imo