Great video. I've been fencing for almost 20 years (I hate flicking though, my instructor was always more "traditional", I even use a french grip instead of pistol). What is described in this video is what we call "second intention". Doing something so your opponent does what you want them to do, so you can do what you want to do. You can also get more complex and go to "third" or "fourth" but it means opponents have to have a predicable chain of things they do.
I think the word 'rapierist' could do with some revision. "So what do you for fun on the weekends?" "Oh, I'm a keen rapierist so I usually try to get a few sessions in. It's great exercise." O_O
I've fenced in college for 4 years to improve my kendo and martial arts I'm older and a damaged former green beret fencing is very enjoyable and there is a on going debate about rather or not fencing is a martial art it is and a very effective one still today I got jumped walking by a park and had the pleasure of using my cane for defense against 2 fools trying to put their hands on me. Ya I could have just used empty hand technique on them but getting severe deep thrusts and kote strikes from kendo made things safer and entertaining to the people people in the park.i teach women's and senior citizens self defense in a small town that usually has a small crime rate during tourist season we don't lock our doors even thanks for the great demo you look like you enjoy your art
Very interesting commentary. Sounds similar to the concept of a "Debana" strike in Kendo -- where a skilled fencer can pressure or draw a less skilled opponent into making a strike that the skilled fencer wants them to make.
Interesting stuff, it's nice to see the parallels with unarmed combat styles. We call this 'drawing' the lead in boxing. Feint a jab to trigger their jab so you can throw a cross over their jab.
As an aspiring backsword student, this is really helpful. This, and a few other videos from you, Oz, Skall, and Thrand will hopefully help me avoid some of the beginner mistakes once i can start getting to formal classes.
big part of fighting is to recognize the skill level of who your fighting and to anticipate your opponents attacks and movements . the read is very important. i agree with matt.
Hey! Could you do a video of fencing against a modern sports fencer? This would be realy interesting! I think against a sabre fencer would be the best match to start with... One fight with the electronic modern system and one fight with the historical fencing point system! Would be great fun to see for me as an modern sport fencer :D Cheers
Timo M I'm pretty sure he won't do it for the simple fact that most people are fucking retards. If he loses, all the keyboard warriors and armchair experts will be like "HEMA sucks! This video is the ultimate proof that modern sport fencing is superior!!!111"
***** Certainly a shame. I think it'll be remarkably fun to have such crossovers, as even in history, the sporty Smallsword crossed with Sabres, Backwords and Rapiers.
Damn, I don't know about saber but whoever use smallsword against rapier would probably had an extremely bad time wouldn't he ?
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Hey ! Nice you chose to add "please" and "thank you" to your end message ! Now what you would need to do is "normalize" the sound. In this case, it means tune down a bit the sound of this message because it is too loud comparing to your video. (your video is done outdoor so people will tune up the volume to hear you) Your videos is often the same loundess, so I risk saying that if you tune the message down "a little", you will have no problem at all in next videos. Don't take this precise video as a good standard, use one of your videos created in your desk or living room and tune this message down very gently and try it on. It should be your standard for most of your videos, excluding outside videos. Normalization (tuning sound so there is nothing too loud or to quiet) is an essential part of video mixing. Take care !
scholagladiatoria Would you be willing to put up a video outlining the same topic but with pole weapons? I can see where the simple knocking points/blades side to side to create an opening would be the simplest remedy... however, like you said, it can become predictable. So basically... what would be the most practically unpredictable counter to a pole weapon attacking on the attack?
Matt, I used to do something similar in boxing, inviting an attack to open them up for a really good counter punch. You are right that usually it works best on younger fighters (16 fights or less typically) but it works well also on the "super" aggressive fighters also. Later in my career I began to use an active defense, that is my defense was an attack in itself (elbows hitting hands when blocking punches and such). Tell us sometime what you're saber equivalent to this might be please. Thank-you, Dante.
In fact you can use a buckler to trap - provided your opponent is using a sharp. Sharp blades have a tendency to bite and stick in bucklers - particularly wooden ones - and that gives you all sorts of openings and opportunities.
What's wonderful about this: every move and concept has survived into modern sabre sport fencing.. I would like to see it adopt heavier weapons and a less suicidal rule set. But every well-trained sport fencer is familiar with these moves and concepts. .
Would there ever be a case where a parry or a block then a strike afterwards would not be successful due to the opponent's weapon being larger/heavier like a polearm or a large two handed sword?
Heh heh. Hearty chuckle at how the new end of video is much friendlier than the old one. Didn't you have a cold or something when the last one was recorded? This one sounds way better, anyway.
There was this one guy in LARP that was a huge counter-hitter. Took a while to learn how to deal with him, but once I did he wasn't nearly as scary. Though in my case, I basically counter-hit the counterhitter and dodged better. Didn't help that I was using a heavy weapon though.
This technique have a lot of similarity with schielhau from master lichty's tradition. From my point of view, schielhau is like a double time parry and attack against extended blade CMIIW
rahadian panji oki AFAIK the Schielhau is just a vertical attack in the thumb grip. It can be used in a wide variety of ways but that's not inherent to the move. The Schielhau is very good against people who try to fight with their tip fully extended all the time though.
Good video. Firstly I'd like to comment that contrary to what you often say about HEMA being concerned with not getting hit, sparring, from what I have seen is so messy that it doesn't reflect this strategy I think. In your videos you answer lots of 'imagining' type questions like 'best' sword, this against that etc, I would like to see how / what advice you would give to somebody who had 'foolishly' agreed to a duel against somebody with a samurai sword - where the opponent knows you have a samurai amongst others. How would you coach such a person with no knowledge of fencing, how would you arm, armour him - I guess presuming, lets say knowing he only has the samurai - he will protest if a shield or spear is brought - but he will think it fair against any sword, will not grumble against buttler or knife in spare hand if single handed sword chosen. What would you choose for your friend and what key advice would you give him if he was adamant to go through with the duel, how would you tell him the shit is going to go down ? Should he be offensive or defensive ? We assume the opponent is a samurai movie enthusiast, with no actual sparing training, but considers himself self taught etc. I imagine in a real duel, even with wooden swords, 2 amateur / novices and even semi-proficient, may be even proficient fencers would be very nervy in real life and it would be peculiar to watch as they would use there feet to move out of range rather than stand and block as trained.
Hythloday71 My brother and I are novices and experienced this scenario in a casual duel recently. I'm a katana guy, he prefers the knight's sword and buckler. You don't want to get hit but you can't be afraid of it either (fear is like feinting yourself, which is a silly thing to do), so I just sat in gedan-no-kamae* (very similar to Alber or Middle Iron Gate) and waited for his attack to my exposed head, then simply raised the point and let him impale himself with his own momentum. Yeah, who's the fool now? I'd have exerted myself harder trying to swat a fly. With all due respect to Meÿer, the best defense is a good offense. *LOL, spell-check wants to change "gedan-no-kamae" into "brain-damaged"... how appropriate.
He just wasn't fond of the fool's guard. Hey, nobody ever said the offense you defend yourself with had to be your own. There's plenty of time to counter from that position if you let your opponent do all the work. Besides, I'm too out of shape to run around dodging and stuff. ;)
Soooo, it's a bit like feinting, but with block and counter instead of dodge and attack. Seems more tiring, but might be safer, and might be less visible to opponent. Nice.
+drew avery No, ripostes are made following a parry, counter ripostes are ripostes made after parrying the first riposte of the defender. So the first riposte (of the defender) is the riposte, all subsequent ripostes (of either attacker or defender) are counter ripostes.
***** But he has no time to react because he never expected Matt to fake his attack. The time it would take to bring the sword back to block the final hit. Could take way too long. Thus ending the fight.
All great in theory... Except that when you feint and attempt to predict his next action and he simply does something different. Basically this works on 1. Beginners 2. Idiots who repeat the same strike.
+Lord Farqwhad The whole idea is that this is meant for a predictable opponent. Whether or not they are idiots is beside the point, it is very common to find people who will follow the same instinct after an attack, and this video is meant to show you how to exploit it.
The video is titled dealing with fencers who attack in to an attack. In which case it is a bit misleading, because in reality there are a multitude of ways to attack in to an attack and it could be done fairly unpredictably.
Lord Farqwhad The titling is completely off on this video, but it's pretty clear by the end of the video what he is trying to get across, for a fencer at least.
I don't think you've understood the point of this comment thread, or what I was trying to say. It seems that your'e the only person misinterpreting anything here so feel free to stop embarrassing yourself. If a title is hard to understand, isn't it inherently wrong? Don't forget nearly all of the viewers on this channel are not experienced HEMAists and are not used to the terminology.
Only problem is the first time may be your last time. Which is probably what they think but they forget about multiple opponents. So If the second guy knows what they are gonna do then they are screwed.
Tyler Lalonde I don't understand what you mean. The feint is made out of distance, so that if the other person attacks into the perceived attack, you are still out of range.
scholagladiatoria I wasn't taking about feints. I don't agree with that either by what I meant. First time hitters think that they only need to hit you to think they won. Thus the problem when trying to get rid of that behavior. Because when they fight even if they were lucky the first time they might not get out in the second one. That's why it's not a goid behavior. I'm totally agreeing with you. just trying to add why it's but good of they the bs claim of I only need one hit.
Maybe this is silly, but wouldn't it be difficult to keep your cool and remember all the techniques in a "real" duel? I mean with all the adrenaline pumping and such
kragguth bag-braggle That's the point of training, though. You build muscle memory so your body is able to perform various actions under stress without your brain having to think much about it.
scholagladiatoria but seriously, I think some illustrations go a bit too far, simply becuase artist decided it will look a bit cooler this way. Same goes for left hand. Oftentimes its positioned in a way for cool looks, while in real fight it would just stiffen you up a bit.
Verithiell Depictions of maximum speciality. Duels aren't as long as battles, so there's some advantage to doing the most extreme of actions to gain all possible advantage(in this case, reach and explosive recovery time).
Enoch Tuong but if your muscles are stretched properly then you can have the same reach without risking the well being of your knee. I mean sure, nothing is going to happen for the first time you do it, it will take time before the injury, but why learn bad habits? Especially in modern world where losing a duel doesnt carry any consequences.
So... Are you saying that single time hits are nearly always to be avoided (nearly because nothing is ever _completely_ certain...)? To my eye, a well executed single time attack would be the epitome of good technique. Cut your man down before he's even aware of it, let him run himself up your sword, that sort-of thing...
L.D. Johnson I think one of the key points he made was that you don't want to be predictable. If all you ever do is try to get single hit counters, your opponent can predict your actions and lead you into to a trap. It's great if you are really good at it but if it's all you ever do you are giving your opponent an opportunity to set you up.
Attacking into the attack is NOT remotely some kind of rookie mistake. It is the absolute foundation of Liechtenauer"s art. There are effective counters to every technique. There is no ultimate style over all others, and tricks are a dead man's gamble. This video represents solid responses to poorly executed attacks and as such it is a valuable training tool. Where it fails the viewer is in the assertion that fighting consistently in the vor is an example of poor swordsmanship, rather than a legitimate, battle tested martial philosophy.
That's not about Liechtenauer and longsword or messer, that's about military sabre. This weapon uses a totally different form of footwork and, yes, sticks to a different philosophy. But nevermind that, being in Vor is more than just throwing random attacks, it's about keeping the initiative. Being predictable, which is what Matt is talking about here, is a way to turn your Vor into Nach pretty quickly. In fact, if you throw a cut, get the enemy to defend in a way you saw coming, counter his defense and attack, you never lost Vor in the first place. If you want to use Liechtenauer's terminology so bad, what Matt does is an Indes reaction, which is a parry, that not only neutralizes the threat, but translates into offense very quickly because of how quick sabre is. With a longsword you should often defend while keeping the point online or in some other way as to stop the opponent from attacking and force him to defend, but even a "dead" parry with a sabre turns into a riposte so quickly that rule doesn't really apply.
Pretty fucking funny.. Shame swords as so effective at cutting people up - because sparring would be fun as hell. But you can never do any real-life sparing in the way you can with boxing.. Great vid tho
as long as you lay some ground rules, know what you're doing and weir protection..why not? Boxing is the same thing. Gloves arent only to protect your hands :p
+Winter is Here Well when we do fight at full contact in most clubs so although you need a little bit more control than without a weapon it's still a good chance to beat people up with swords.
I was walking my dog in the park early in the morning and alluvasudden -- two f**ing guys with sabres.
ffs...
Very interesting, I'll try it on my friend :D
Found ya!
Great video. I've been fencing for almost 20 years (I hate flicking though, my instructor was always more "traditional", I even use a french grip instead of pistol). What is described in this video is what we call "second intention". Doing something so your opponent does what you want them to do, so you can do what you want to do. You can also get more complex and go to "third" or "fourth" but it means opponents have to have a predicable chain of things they do.
In boxing, it's called a feint
I think the word 'rapierist' could do with some revision.
"So what do you for fun on the weekends?"
"Oh, I'm a keen rapierist so I usually try to get a few sessions in. It's great exercise."
O_O
Excellent explanation of what in modern fencing is called "seconda intenzione".
Love this video, Matt!!
I've fenced in college for 4 years to improve my kendo and martial arts I'm older and a damaged former green beret fencing is very enjoyable and there is a on going debate about rather or not fencing is a martial art it is and a very effective one still today I got jumped walking by a park and had the pleasure of using my cane for defense against 2 fools trying to put their hands on me. Ya I could have just used empty hand technique on them but getting severe deep thrusts and kote strikes from kendo made things safer and entertaining to the people people in the park.i teach women's and senior citizens self defense in a small town that usually has a small crime rate during tourist season we don't lock our doors even thanks for the great demo you look like you enjoy your art
Very interesting commentary. Sounds similar to the concept of a "Debana" strike in Kendo -- where a skilled fencer can pressure or draw a less skilled opponent into making a strike that the skilled fencer wants them to make.
Interesting stuff, it's nice to see the parallels with unarmed combat styles. We call this 'drawing' the lead in boxing. Feint a jab to trigger their jab so you can throw a cross over their jab.
As an aspiring backsword student, this is really helpful. This, and a few other videos from you, Oz, Skall, and Thrand will hopefully help me avoid some of the beginner mistakes once i can start getting to formal classes.
Great to see you two doing a video together again!
Great video very much enjoyed it!
great video, have seen similar techniques with foil in sport fencing. they are a really good trick.
These type of videos are very interesting. Keep them coming
Love it! More instructional videos, please.
Matt I love the setting for this video, please do more of the sparring out here :)
Yaaaaaay finaly you have a gentler outro ! thanks for the Video btw :)
please do more videos like these, they are very interesting to watch
Really like the sun reflection - gives a nice glow to the video :)
big part of fighting is to recognize the skill level of who your fighting and to anticipate your opponents attacks and movements . the read is very important. i agree with matt.
reminds me of fencing class :) thanks for the video
These type of videos have to come back.
this is a very cool fencing video :3
Damn I was just reading Roworth's section on this topic.
Like jabs and other feints in martial arts or boxing to open up an opponent
The opening sound is much better now that it's short but the triple flash is rather obnoxious.
can we see some more longsword tips please! PLEEEEEEeeeaaasssee!
blackraver5 use it with armour :3
blackraver5 Carry a bag of pommels with you and throw them at your enemies to confound them!
Zombigotron ...and end him rightly.
Zombigotron Unscrew the pommel, then throw the sword and beat your opponent to death with the pommel. He won't be expecting that!
Robert R Not unless he's seen me fight before.
Will you make a video on sidesword fencing too?
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Hey! Could you do a video of fencing against a modern sports fencer?
This would be realy interesting!
I think against a sabre fencer would be the best match to start with...
One fight with the electronic modern system and one fight with the historical fencing point system!
Would be great fun to see for me as an modern sport fencer :D
Cheers
Timo M Would be great fun to see for me as a historical fencer :)
Timo M I'm pretty sure he won't do it for the simple fact that most people are fucking retards. If he loses, all the keyboard warriors and armchair experts will be like "HEMA sucks! This video is the ultimate proof that modern sport fencing is superior!!!111"
***** Certainly a shame. I think it'll be remarkably fun to have such crossovers, as even in history, the sporty Smallsword crossed with Sabres, Backwords and Rapiers.
Damn, I don't know about saber but whoever use smallsword against rapier would probably had an extremely bad time wouldn't he ?
Hey !
Nice you chose to add "please" and "thank you" to your end message !
Now what you would need to do is "normalize" the sound. In this case, it means tune down a bit the sound of this message because it is too loud comparing to your video. (your video is done outdoor so people will tune up the volume to hear you)
Your videos is often the same loundess, so I risk saying that if you tune the message down "a little", you will have no problem at all in next videos. Don't take this precise video as a good standard, use one of your videos created in your desk or living room and tune this message down very gently and try it on. It should be your standard for most of your videos, excluding outside videos.
Normalization (tuning sound so there is nothing too loud or to quiet) is an essential part of video mixing.
Take care !
scholagladiatoria Would you be willing to put up a video outlining the same topic but with pole weapons? I can see where the simple knocking points/blades side to side to create an opening would be the simplest remedy... however, like you said, it can become predictable.
So basically... what would be the most practically unpredictable counter to a pole weapon attacking on the attack?
Matt, I used to do something similar in boxing, inviting an attack to open them up for a really good counter punch. You are right that usually it works best on younger fighters (16 fights or less typically) but it works well also on the "super" aggressive fighters also. Later in my career I began to use an active defense, that is my defense was an attack in itself (elbows hitting hands when blocking punches and such). Tell us sometime what you're saber equivalent to this might be please. Thank-you, Dante.
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In fact you can use a buckler to trap - provided your opponent is using a sharp. Sharp blades have a tendency to bite and stick in bucklers - particularly wooden ones - and that gives you all sorts of openings and opportunities.
What's wonderful about this: every move and concept has survived into modern sabre sport fencing.. I would like to see it adopt heavier weapons and a less suicidal rule set. But every well-trained sport fencer is familiar with these moves and concepts. .
Stephan Khinoy Absolutely, the fundamentals are almost the same.
Would there ever be a case where a parry or a block then a strike afterwards would not be successful due to the opponent's weapon being larger/heavier like a polearm or a large two handed sword?
Hi. What kind of saber were you using and where can I get one?
Heh heh. Hearty chuckle at how the new end of video is much friendlier than the old one. Didn't you have a cold or something when the last one was recorded? This one sounds way better, anyway.
There was this one guy in LARP that was a huge counter-hitter. Took a while to learn how to deal with him, but once I did he wasn't nearly as scary. Though in my case, I basically counter-hit the counterhitter and dodged better. Didn't help that I was using a heavy weapon though.
Aw, you changed it from demanding we follow you on facebook into a "please". I liked it the old way.
Seeing such videos I always wonder how people these days really trained fighting.
This technique have a lot of similarity with schielhau from master lichty's tradition. From my point of view, schielhau is like a double time parry and attack against extended blade
CMIIW
rahadian panji oki AFAIK the Schielhau is just a vertical attack in the thumb grip. It can be used in a wide variety of ways but that's not inherent to the move. The Schielhau is very good against people who try to fight with their tip fully extended all the time though.
Mindgames. Still the most effective weapon.
Boom, Bam, Wham!
3:40 move cancelling , 4:44 prediction parry , basically dark souls ... sorry
Karmazynowy Drwal Art mirrors reality :)
Karmazynowy Drwal id say bloodborne since, you know, people dont roll around
Good video. Firstly I'd like to comment that contrary to what you often say about HEMA being concerned with not getting hit, sparring, from what I have seen is so messy that it doesn't reflect this strategy I think. In your videos you answer lots of 'imagining' type questions like 'best' sword, this against that etc, I would like to see how / what advice you would give to somebody who had 'foolishly' agreed to a duel against somebody with a samurai sword - where the opponent knows you have a samurai amongst others. How would you coach such a person with no knowledge of fencing, how would you arm, armour him - I guess presuming, lets say knowing he only has the samurai - he will protest if a shield or spear is brought - but he will think it fair against any sword, will not grumble against buttler or knife in spare hand if single handed sword chosen. What would you choose for your friend and what key advice would you give him if he was adamant to go through with the duel, how would you tell him the shit is going to go down ? Should he be offensive or defensive ? We assume the opponent is a samurai movie enthusiast, with no actual sparing training, but considers himself self taught etc. I imagine in a real duel, even with wooden swords, 2 amateur / novices and even semi-proficient, may be even proficient fencers would be very nervy in real life and it would be peculiar to watch as they would use there feet to move out of range rather than stand and block as trained.
Hythloday71 My brother and I are novices and experienced this scenario in a casual duel recently. I'm a katana guy, he prefers the knight's sword and buckler. You don't want to get hit but you can't be afraid of it either (fear is like feinting yourself, which is a silly thing to do), so I just sat in gedan-no-kamae* (very similar to Alber or Middle Iron Gate) and waited for his attack to my exposed head, then simply raised the point and let him impale himself with his own momentum. Yeah, who's the fool now? I'd have exerted myself harder trying to swat a fly. With all due respect to Meÿer, the best defense is a good offense.
*LOL, spell-check wants to change "gedan-no-kamae" into "brain-damaged"... how appropriate.
YouTubalcaine Funny, Meyer typically emphasises the best defense is a good offense.
He just wasn't fond of the fool's guard. Hey, nobody ever said the offense you defend yourself with had to be your own. There's plenty of time to counter from that position if you let your opponent do all the work. Besides, I'm too out of shape to run around dodging and stuff. ;)
Dark Souls Meta
so feints. :D woot!
what if someone observes your tendency to think you've observed their tendency and then does the opposite of what you expect :o
Soooo, it's a bit like feinting, but with block and counter instead of dodge and attack. Seems more tiring, but might be safer, and might be less visible to opponent. Nice.
rubbers3 Nice.
Is this the counter riposte?
+drew avery No, ripostes are made following a parry, counter ripostes are ripostes made after parrying the first riposte of the defender. So the first riposte (of the defender) is the riposte, all subsequent ripostes (of either attacker or defender) are counter ripostes.
I hate how these explanations always ignore that when you're making the final hit the enemy doesn't just stand and watch...
***** But he has no time to react because he never expected Matt to fake his attack. The time it would take to bring the sword back to block the final hit. Could take way too long. Thus ending the fight.
All great in theory... Except that when you feint and attempt to predict his next action and he simply does something different. Basically this works on 1. Beginners 2. Idiots who repeat the same strike.
+Lord Farqwhad The whole idea is that this is meant for a predictable opponent. Whether or not they are idiots is beside the point, it is very common to find people who will follow the same instinct after an attack, and this video is meant to show you how to exploit it.
The video is titled dealing with fencers who attack in to an attack. In which case it is a bit misleading, because in reality there are a multitude of ways to attack in to an attack and it could be done fairly unpredictably.
Lord Farqwhad The titling is completely off on this video, but it's pretty clear by the end of the video what he is trying to get across, for a fencer at least.
***** It is easily misinterpreted though.
I don't think you've understood the point of this comment thread, or what I was trying to say. It seems that your'e the only person misinterpreting anything here so feel free to stop embarrassing yourself.
If a title is hard to understand, isn't it inherently wrong? Don't forget nearly all of the viewers on this channel are not experienced HEMAists and are not used to the terminology.
Only problem is the first time may be your last time. Which is probably what they think but they forget about multiple opponents. So If the second guy knows what they are gonna do then they are screwed.
Tyler Lalonde I don't understand what you mean. The feint is made out of distance, so that if the other person attacks into the perceived attack, you are still out of range.
scholagladiatoria I wasn't taking about feints. I don't agree with that either by what I meant. First time hitters think that they only need to hit you to think they won. Thus the problem when trying to get rid of that behavior. Because when they fight even if they were lucky the first time they might not get out in the second one. That's why it's not a goid behavior. I'm totally agreeing with you. just trying to add why it's but good of they the bs claim of I only need one hit.
TLDR: counter-riposte them
Attacking into an attack and overpowering the opponent is something I like to do.
I Think you misspelled that Rapierists, shouldnt it be called Rapists? Ba dum tzzzz! :D
Maybe this is silly, but wouldn't it be difficult to keep your cool and remember all the techniques in a "real" duel? I mean with all the adrenaline pumping and such
kragguth bag-braggle That's the point of training, though. You build muscle memory so your body is able to perform various actions under stress without your brain having to think much about it.
1:36 knee goes past the line of toes. Save your knee, dont do that!
Verithiell Surprisingly, quite a few historical fencing treatises show exactly that. However I try to avoid it.
scholagladiatoria ye, but I guess they didnt live long enough to feel the aftermath :)
scholagladiatoria but seriously, I think some illustrations go a bit too far, simply becuase artist decided it will look a bit cooler this way. Same goes for left hand. Oftentimes its positioned in a way for cool looks, while in real fight it would just stiffen you up a bit.
Verithiell Depictions of maximum speciality. Duels aren't as long as battles, so there's some advantage to doing the most extreme of actions to gain all possible advantage(in this case, reach and explosive recovery time).
Enoch Tuong but if your muscles are stretched properly then you can have the same reach without risking the well being of your knee. I mean sure, nothing is going to happen for the first time you do it, it will take time before the injury, but why learn bad habits? Especially in modern world where losing a duel doesnt carry any consequences.
Nice explonation, fake attacks which allow toget into riposte faster - thank you.
Can't take people serious on sword techniques who clearly never held a live blade.
So... Are you saying that single time hits are nearly always to be avoided (nearly because nothing is ever _completely_ certain...)? To my eye, a well executed single time attack would be the epitome of good technique. Cut your man down before he's even aware of it, let him run himself up your sword, that sort-of thing...
L.D. Johnson I think one of the key points he made was that you don't want to be predictable. If all you ever do is try to get single hit counters, your opponent can predict your actions and lead you into to a trap. It's great if you are really good at it but if it's all you ever do you are giving your opponent an opportunity to set you up.
Ah, true that. Think I may have missed the forest for the trees (it was late when I watched the vid...). Thank you, friend.
Dead?
Attacking into the attack is NOT remotely some kind of rookie mistake. It is the absolute foundation of Liechtenauer"s art. There are effective counters to every technique. There is no ultimate style over all others, and tricks are a dead man's gamble. This video represents solid responses to poorly executed attacks and as such it is a valuable training tool. Where it fails the viewer is in the assertion that fighting consistently in the vor is an example of poor swordsmanship, rather than a legitimate, battle tested martial philosophy.
That's not about Liechtenauer and longsword or messer, that's about military sabre. This weapon uses a totally different form of footwork and, yes, sticks to a different philosophy. But nevermind that, being in Vor is more than just throwing random attacks, it's about keeping the initiative. Being predictable, which is what Matt is talking about here, is a way to turn your Vor into Nach pretty quickly. In fact, if you throw a cut, get the enemy to defend in a way you saw coming, counter his defense and attack, you never lost Vor in the first place. If you want to use Liechtenauer's terminology so bad, what Matt does is an Indes reaction, which is a parry, that not only neutralizes the threat, but translates into offense very quickly because of how quick sabre is. With a longsword you should often defend while keeping the point online or in some other way as to stop the opponent from attacking and force him to defend, but even a "dead" parry with a sabre turns into a riposte so quickly that rule doesn't really apply.
I think your partner might be surprised just how cheaply you can buy a pair of sunglasses these days...
Pretty fucking funny.. Shame swords as so effective at cutting people up - because sparring would be fun as hell. But you can never do any real-life sparing in the way you can with boxing.. Great vid tho
as long as you lay some ground rules, know what you're doing and weir protection..why not? Boxing is the same thing. Gloves arent only to protect your hands :p
+Winter is Here Well when we do fight at full contact in most clubs so although you need a little bit more control than without a weapon it's still a good chance to beat people up with swords.
Military sabre > english backsword *grabs popcorn*