but shouldn't he have studied his route before even stepping foot into the helicopter?? I would think you would have to study where you are going and think of the best routes to get to a place before taking that risk.
As a Helo pilot with 52 years and 28,000 hours experience I’ve seen this same scenario occur so many times yet pilots continue to put themselves into these situations
I am hoping that my videos will help one pilot make a different decision than they would have otherwise. You may find this new video which includes new ATC communications interesting: ruclips.net/video/M_Dpm144KXo/видео.html
@@Bettyboop08 I'm a student pilot not for a heli but for a SEL plane. When you go into IMC, you can't even feel if you're diving, spinning, etc. You lose all sense of orientation, and thus must focus on your instruments to guide you, as well as NOT FLYING LOW in these conditions. I'm so sure Kobe would have wanted to fly low to show off lol.
This is a classic lesson to pilots of all experience to never become complacent. I was once told "this is the first time you have flown this flight", which basically means no matter how experienced you are what unfolds today is still something new. I always treated the airspeed during landing and the artificial horizon during instrument flight as things critical to life, because they are. Lastly, we must be aware of pilot workload and identify moments when our workload is increased. So, if we know we are turning our attention to navigation, we must realise that our attention on critical issues will now be impaired.
Man.. for that split second when they finally saw the side of the mountain right before impact, that shit had to have been breathtakingly terrifying. RIP Everyone on board 🕊
Actually no. He had lost control of the aircraft. Can't fly a helicopter very far when it's upside down. His mistake was not slowing down and watching attitude indicator while climbing slowly to get out if the soup. Then contact ATC and let them steer him to a place to land.
Not really. Other pilots who flew that say above the clouds all say it was much higher. Also you dont get into clouds in without instruments. They were doomed long before they climbed. That was just a desperation last ditch attempt to save themselves.
They are trained to fly that way usually... this guy was a veteran pilot... there is still no way to know why he was unable to fly through the clouds...
As a master helicopter pilot with over 100 years of experience, I can say with confidence that this crash would not have occurred if they hadn't gotten so close to the ground.
I don't care how experienced that pilot was...It only takes one time to make such a huge mistake, and it's over.. His experience should have guided him to just turn around and go back before he got them all into that mess. This was senseless and completely avoidable.
It makes me angry that the pilot flew in such horrible weather conditions. This accident could have so easily been avoided. What made him think he could fly with such poor visibility? He was completely irresponsible. I would never ever fly in a helicopter, but Inwoukd have never gotten on a helicopter with those poor weather conditions. I don’t care how experienced the pilot was. 😡😡😢
The pilot was flying VFR ( Visual Flight Rules) which means he has permission to fly in those conditions but he chose not to go IFR ( Instrument Flight Rules) . He should’ve waited until the fog passed but as always there’s always a cover up and a hidden agenda to the story.
Fr it wasn’t the pilots fault idk why so many people are saying “iT iS tHe pIolt faUlT “when it wasn’t the pilot couldn’t see anything any there was nothing he could do the pilot died as well. people in the comments are acting like they are professional or something
As someone who didn’t really follow the story when it happened, I had pictured that the helicopter was flying in a straight line with a slight dip and just plowed straight into the mountain they thought they were above. The reconstruction here really demonstrates how much low visibility can mess with your sense of direction/orientation when you don’t pay attention to the instruments.
Spatial disorientation is a dangerous phenomenon. Here a video shows how easy it is to become disoriented when you don't see the attitude indicator and you can't see the ground out the window: ruclips.net/video/9ofStn2KScg/видео.html . In that video, the pilot is flying while his head is covered and the attitude indicator is turned off, and he gets completely disoriented. He is trying to fly straight and level, thinks he might be banking to the right, and is actually banking to the left and descending. My follow -on video clearly shows that the N72EX pilot was disoriented: ruclips.net/video/M_Dpm144KXo/видео.html
He never realized that he had dropped hundreds of feet so quickly a sign of sure vertigo. It happens in military all the time. 20yrs. 101AA CWO4 avionics specialist.
@@novles6262 think about what he did, to put it better and in a way that you''l understand, it's like being on a highway with a very slight turn to the right, you're in the left lane, and you look at the GPS trying to configure it for just a bit too long. You'll see the railing you're going straight into only milliseconds before impact, nothing you could do.
Now we're all left with what if ? What could've happened if he the pilot turned back. They would be alive today. I seen many comments that said Kobe pressured him into flying that day. But they talked to another pilot who used to fly him and he said Kobe's number one thing was safety
My point exactly. i just can’t understand why was the pilot still traveling at a high speed if at some point he couldn’t see anything anymore ? 🤔 Excuse my ignorance I’m just trying to understand. Perhaps he just didn’t have time 🤷🏽♀️
Everyone has their Theory but no one knows what the pilot was thinking or about ready to do nobody was in that helicopter but those people that died that day so no matter how much you try to figure out why how come what if it was it happened it was their time .
@@gdlady9064 that's true. It probably was so fast and a split second decision by then it was too late if he realized he wasn't clear all the way through
Nobody on board knew they were about to die except the pilot who for a second or two got to see the side of the mountain. Cant imagine how jawbreakingly scary those two seconds felt for the pilot and to the others on board i hope they didn’t suffer
@@sweetdeemdd9678 No his brain did not exit his skull. Read the actual report before you post nonsense www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Celebs/bryant,%20kobe_report.pdf
Imagine how scary it would be not knowing if you're climbing or falling and then moments before impact you see that you're literally diving towards the ground. RIP.
I would have lost my tummy the very moment I didn't know whether I'm right side up. It happens to me in whiteouts, whether I'm driving in severe snowfall or briefly airborne on skis. I'd never pass a SEAL test.
@@kazuhira9489 The pilot didnt didnt notice visibly but your body definitely can feel that drop in altitude. They all probably felt it like a drop of a roller coaster but by the time they could have possibly process the feeling that they were falling they'd be dead already.
Excellent recreation. I could never understand why anyone would get into a vehicle, car or aircraft, when they can’t see anything out the window. I drove my car in bad fog trying to get home. It was terrifying.
As the British say, " In for a penny, in for a pound.", ie. whether the pilot was 10 feet or a thousand feet too low the outcome would've been the same. F.Y.I. - In the pilot's last recertification test or practice he had flunked one part of it. Want to guess which one? Yep. Flying under poor visibility.
Incredible to think that this pilot was actually a CFII (instrument instructor) with ~13,000 hours. His daily life at some point involved teaching new students how to fly in the EXACT conditions in which he got disoriented and unfortunately caused this tragic accident. It’s scary how powerful complacency can be when combined with VFR-into-IMC induced spatial disorientation.
I agree, it is hard to believe. I have a better timeline in my May update ruclips.net/video/M_Dpm144KXo/видео.html. In that update it appears that the helicopter is in a controlled climb from about 17:44:30 to 17:45:08. Then the helicopter enters a significant left turn and (I haven't published this yet) flies a flight path that produces exactly 1g into the seat (as though the pilot is flying by the seat of his pants). At about 17:45:22 the pilot notifies ATC that he intends to climb to 4000 feet, when the helicopter is in fact descending. That suggests that the pilot is disoriented and that for at least 12 seconds he didn't look at the attitude indicator. Difficult to believe. What could have distracted him for so long?
@@stevencondas2281 New aircraft maybe? What was his hours on that type of aircraft? If less, then it would take some time to enter the MCDU (computer) not to mentioned the level of stress. That's why it is better to have 2 pilots. One flying, one Pilot monitoring (or assist key in the input of the computer).
Drivers make the same mistakes, too. You get comfortable with it, get distracted one day, or the visibility is low, and next thing you know a deer goes through your windshield or you look down to grab something on the floorboard and look up to see you're in front of a semi. It happens.
@@stevencondas2281 One thing that distracted him was the confused ATC controller asking him to ident. That along in a high stress workload might have taken him 6 seconds to process and a couple of seconds to carry out. The ATC controller asked him this at the worst possible moment.
This is why spacial awareness is crucial. It was the pilot's fault for not paying attention to where he was going. As soon as you lose visibility you focus on the instruments.
All the “should’ve, could’ve, would’ve” in the world won’t be bring 3 teenage girls and 6 adults back. RIP everyone aboard that helicopter 🚁 Let me clarify what I mean, because I’m being attacked for this post for weeks now: I feel like everyone is misinterpreting my comment. It was simply a lament on my part. Simply my expression of how sad and senseless I feel about the whole damn thing. No need to attack me.
No it won't. But, if it helps in TRAINING other pilots that OTHER lives will be spared, then it's worth their time they put in. When we KNOW better, we DO BETTER!
@@adeniyiibitoye2850 👍 Yes, the existing fog should have NOT allowed them to even go up in the first place. But what happens when the fog happens AFTER they are ALREADY up? Maybe there is SOMETHING that can be learned from the unfortunate mistakes here so they won't ever be repeated. 😥
Monique Knew agreed! Anything is possible and we need to prepare for it. The pilot was experienced but may not have experience in a fog. Breaks me to see a icon like Kobe die in a he most unthinkable way ever. All of this could have been prevented. Even loss the daughters and another coach/ father
This indicates to me that there's a better chance that they only suffered a few seconds if at all. I hope they never saw the ground coming since it was so quick.
@@certifiedchaos4643 Yes I know once they hit the mountain it was instant death. But I had always wondered if they knew they were falling to their death. With this video it showed there was about 2-3 seconds of the ground in view before the crash. Hopefully not enough time to even process what was going to happen
I have hoped that too. That it was quick and they didn’t know what was happening. I would hate to think that they knew what was coming. May the all Rest In Peace. So heartbreaking for the families.
I was thinking of the same thing. Especially, they didn't sit in the cockpit, the chance for them to know what was going on is pretty slim. That's the only relief we can have from this tragedy. The speed of the impact was abt 250 km/s I heard, it was abt the same to the neuron transmission, it might mean that the signal of death never gets to Kobes brain and his subconscious entered into the infinity loop, another dimension if there is.
@@the2kgvdz182 Sorry, but he didnt mean that. They could obviously notice the thick fog( and this gave them bad feelings, felt the danger. The guy said he is anxious even in a car in that kind if fog.
Rhythm Earth I don’t think you guys understand what she is trying to say. Not that they knew they were going to die but that thick fog is scary. If you ever have drove in it. Very unsafe feeling and I’m sure they felt it
Yeah, it's hard to believe that it has been a year, and I feel sad for all of the families who were impacted. FYI, if you haven't already seen it, I created a follow-on that includes additional ATC communications. ruclips.net/video/M_Dpm144KXo/видео.html
Jason Quiroz This is quite literally information, and you twisted it into a narrative that could be seen as offensive somehow. I'm fucking disgusted at my 9th grade geography teacher then, because she was just clearly exploiting my mind by projecting a map of planet Earth into my brain for her own benefit.
Yeah I remember being in LA on my last year of college. My school holds a special connection w/ Kobe because although he never went there he apparently used to come all the time to practice on the same courts us students play on (UCLA). My roommate woke me up in the morning and broke me the news. I think it’s gonna be those moments where everyone remembers where they were when it happened, especially for those living in LA at the time
Great work. I was in the airline business for 35 years, lost several friends in crashes, and my dad was a private pilot almost all of his life. These details always interest me. Thanks for sharing your private investigations.
I would like to sincerely thank you from the bottom of my heart for clarifying and enhancing the video of the horrific crash and subsequent agonizing death of Kobe Bryant. God bless you!
Thank you for the kind words. You may also be interested in my follow-on video with additional ATC communications that I obtained from the FAA: ruclips.net/video/M_Dpm144KXo/видео.html
Remember we have backgrounds on JFK Jr's airplane crash in 1999 and Air France's Flight 447 in 2009, among others. Bad weather is a true factor of possible erratic reactions and spatial disorientation. Pilots, please don't defy bad weather, mother nature is wise.
Whenever I watch videos related to this topic my heart beats so fast just thinking about what it must of been like to be on that helicopter . I wish they never went on that helicopter that day, so sad. Praying they didn't know what was coming. REST IN ETERNAL HEAVEN all of them . Sweet Angels . You will be dearly missed.
@@bradbennett4237 yeah the impact was instant death but making that left turn... if the mountain bike saw the belly of the helicopter all the passengers fell to the side of the doors. So terrible.
@@prittyugly86 Someone said, "When you go into IMC, you can't even feel if you're diving, spinning, etc. You lose all sense of orientation, and thus must focus on your instruments to guide you, as well as NOT FLYING LOW in these conditions" I hope this is true because I can't imagine the fear they would have felt..
If you read all of their autopsy reports and factor in the speed in which the human brain can receive and digest information, they didn't think or feel a thing.
I agree, on another video you can hear the pilot's voice in a very calm demeaner and in control, he never sounded in distress, I don't think he knew he was descending himself...
@@jjan2383 There was a body trunk or two intact with no heads, arms or legs, but mostly they were torn to shreds. What I meant was that even if a full brain had been intact, their deaths were so violent and so sudden that their brains could not process the information fast enough to know what's happening before death occurs. Couple that with a lack of situational knowledge (everything seemed ok) and they never knew what happened.
Wow. :\ My heart dropped watching this seeing the animated plane going down, just imagining how terrified everyone was during those final moments. My god :(
It's a helicopter, not a plane. No one was terrified. They couldn't see anything. In a fog like that, the passengers, as well as the pilots, had no idea they were descending. They thought they were climbing.
I was one of the mountain bikers that came across the scene. It was myself and 2 hikers. We tried to look for survivors but there was nothing but pieces. I am an instrument rated pilot as well and I can tell you I would not have been flying on that day. Clouds were very low. The search and rescue Helicopter even had a hard time finding the site.
It is possible that your claim to be one of the bikers is legit, but I don't see anything in your RUclips profile that suggests your are a pilot or a mountain biker. Can you PM me at deterspam-flight@yahoo.com so that I can authenticate your claim? Thx.
RIP to Kobe Bryant, Gianna Bryant, Payton Chester, 13; Sarah Chester, 45; Alyssa Altobelli, 14; Keri Altobelli, 46; John Altobelli, 56; Christina Mauser, 38; and the helicopter's pilot, Ara Zobayan, 50.
You guys the reason why they had clearance to fly was bcz Kobe's helicopter was a sikorsky s-76. Which has turboshaft twin engines and are big tanks equivalent to a small private jet. They carry up to 13 passengers. LAPD helicopters don't even compare. However it's ultimately the Pilot's responsibility to make the safest decision.
I had 20 hours of small plane flight experience and I still vividly remember my instructor demonstrating how disorientated you could get in a clouds, for example not realize you were in a turn or oriented funny and you need to watch your instruments.
Ugh if he would’ve just flew up about another 100 feet he’d be out of the clouds...that’s f’n mind boggling. This whole thing is just beyond heart breaking and this NEVER should’ve happened!!! I’m just speechless...
If the pilot was indeed looking to his 'down and left' to configure the Honeywell Flight Management System, this would be very indicative of a term known as "target fixation." I used to Road Race motorcycles and "target fixation" was something you had to constantly fight against. Any racer will know what i'm talking about! When you're going at a high rate of speed, you will have a tendency to steer exactly where it is you are looking. ESPECIALLY in a turn. Which is why you are taught to look straight through a turn, through the apex, (the line). As pointed out here, in this mock crash simulation, if the the pilot was looking down and to his left, that's exactly where he would unknowingly start to steer, target fixation... In my early days as Marine crew chief, I spent a few thousand hours in the back of Helo's. H 53E's, UH1N Huey's, and CH-46 Sea Knights. Though i'm not a pilot, i was in constant radio contact with pilots and heard every word they said, and would often be standing right behind them during flight. We were often deployed aboard Navy vessels and spent many hours out at sea, which means flying in lots of fog! Though there are not as many obstacles to run into out at sea, you still have to avoid the water. I remember when we were in complete 'white out fog' the pilots would slow down our forward speed and rely heavily on instrumentation, namely that life saving ADI (attitude directional indicator). It's just like it sounds, it shows you the ATTITUDE of the aircraft. It tells you If you're flying level or not. But, like anything else, your craft has to have an operating ADI and you need to be well versed in its operation. If you're flying in fog and can't see, the ADI needs to be one of the things that has your immediate attention. It can assist in keeping you from flying into terrain. Helicopters are a slightly unstable craft to begin with, simply by design. It's like flying on a knife's edge. It is constantly affected by winds trying to topple it over or push it in one direction or another so it requires quite the touch to counteract these forces and keep it upright, more so than a plane. If you are going to pilot in fog, you had better be well practiced in it!!! The pilot in this case has been flying for a long time, how much of that time has he spent in 'fog like' conditions? I have no idea, but it's clear to me, in my amatuer opinion, that not being able to see where he was going seemed to put him into unfamiliar and uncomfortable territory. And it distracted him long enough, a few seconds is all it takes, and the craft went into a direction that he did not counter or account for and they flew, unwittingly, right into the hillside. It's easy for us to second guess and play armchair Monday morning quarterback as to what happened, we have the luxury of time to do that. The fact is that this accident was set into motion early in this flight by a series of 'human factors.' The final demise taking only seconds to play out. And if you have only seconds to try and save your life, you're going to need an incredibly ridiculous amount of luck!!! I am just not able to process his forward speed, a reported 185 knots or so, when you have zero visibility. He was truly lost, and so now they all share the same fate...May God watch over them and their loved ones.
Spatial disorientation. JFK jr and many others have fallen victim. People don't get when visual senses are disabled, the seat of the pants sense of up, down, left and right is disabled as well. The two leading causes of non commercial aviation crashes are CFT (Controlled flight into terrain) and running out of fuel ( usually miscalculated weight or windage which consumes more fuel than estimated)
It's more terrifying on the road because there could be a car ahead, a turn, anything since you couldn't see, and can't stop either due to cars behind you. In the air, at least there's nothing in every direction.
The left and down theory on the joystick is probably what it did it. I don't think the pilot realized they were going left and down, because there was no visibility and he was confused. When the chopper got out of the fog to see the mountain, it was too late because they were moving over 100mph. RIP Mamba forever
Someone with a heart. not just ohhh kobe my favorite, i swear just saw a comment saying" oh just if crona hapend before he died which would mean more people dead the under stupidity.
That’s the saddest thing about life. We can become proficient at things with dangerous elements like driving or flying and do it tens of thousands of times, but all it takes is one lapse of judgement in a moment to end your life. All we can do is manage and reduce the risks where we can! Prayers up for all the lives lost and their families 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾.
If the pilot thought he was climbing and had no sensation he was going down, its fair to assume that everyone on the plane had no clue and where not holding each other screaming. They were probably just talking and suddenly lights out. If that's how it happened, at least no one suffered, no pain....its like one minute you are this world famous basketball player who is admire by millions, and in a blink of an eye you become history....like you were never here.
Thank you. I've seen your work and your comment means a lot. You might be interested in my latest video which has some new ATC comms I got from the FAA: ruclips.net/video/M_Dpm144KXo/видео.html
@macks Smith you actually make some of the best points I've read studying this horrible crash since day one trying to find any answers that make logical sense aside from the easiest though of frustration he went up high to fly down in suicide mission, but why? The stall makes the most sense crashing at 185 miles an hour versus the helicopter being able to fly only 154 miles an hour max speed... but this helicopter has two engines so we have to assume both engines went out in a stall and he couldn't get them back on... therefore crashing extremely sadly.
Because the higher you go bud the worse it gets he wouldn’t of cleared the clouds until close to stalling level and that’s fog so good luck getting out of that by going higher
This was what I was waiting for ..thanks for this. It makes plenty sense how this tragic event happened🙏🙏 RIP KOBE GIGI and the rest of the people on board.
It is mostly a shameless video, with no respect for the dead people...All this for some click and some money... If you like it, good for you...Not sure that the families involved will like it...
Denice Brooks yes for sure. Think about when we are driving and run into bad weather or fog and can’t see. That fear that goes through you. If you aren’t closest to the shoulder to where you can possibly pull over you take chances. In the air you don’t have that ability to just pull over and wait. He knew he was in trouble and knew Kobe counted on him and was hoping he could make it some how. We all pray in situations that we are doing the right thing and will be able to handle it. It’s just so damn tragic. He may have said to Kobe we shouldn’t fly it’s a bit rough in the air or we need to turn around. Who knows what Kobe’s response was. We will never know unfortunately. Breaks my heart.
@@user-cc2oc3pq4y or like you said....he didnt want to let Kobe down and possibly lose his business and/or trust. You can really hear the panic in his voice when he asked the traffic controller "Is it ok for me to turn left"? Yes, he knew he was in trouble and was probably angry at himself for allowing his situation to happen. Fear started to take over because he knew the consequences of his situation. I certainly hope the passengers weren't aware....do you think they were..? So very, very sad...all of those lives lost, not to mention the legend that will never be again, amongst them.💔💔
There was a witness that heard a bang he said then he was cut off Kobe was murdered these fuckers don't have a problem with taking out a whole plane full of passengers to kill one in this case a helicopter they have no respect for human life they don't know Jesus
The saddest thing imo about this was how scary and frightening, and also painful it must’ve been. Imagine being so accustomed to helicopter travel Kobe and his daughter (as well as the other victims) were, then suddenly how their lives flashing before their eyes as your demise is being played out, and how there is nothing you can do as a father to comfort your child. I could still cry if I let myself.
someone said, "When you go into IMC, you can't even feel if you're diving, spinning, etc. You lose all sense of orientation, and thus must focus on your instruments to guide you, as well as NOT FLYING LOW in these conditions" Which I hope is true and there was no pain... that's instant death. They just experienced a ko you don't wake up from..smh
there never is anything you can do to truly comfort your child other than to just be there. I'm sure he was there. I'm sure he made her feel safe in the last moments even though they weren't
It really doesn't matter how many years or how many hours you have logged. When you lose that spatial orientation (which can happen at ANY moment) due to darkness or fog, you better be able to fly by instrumentation or you are screwed.
Well said. Unfortunately, many instrument rated pilots lose proficiency through lack of practice, complacency or other factors. For his total hours, the accident pilot's experience in actual instrument conditions was paltry.
Great job on the reconstruction. I am an Instrument Commercial Pilot and I have flown actual instrument meteorological conditions in the exact area of the Kobe crash for 12 years. All would have been saved if he like I would do set up the autopilot on the ground before taking off. That way all he had to do was hit a button to engage the autopilot when he could no longer see out of the cockpit. The gyroscopes that run the autopilot do not get disoriented like humans do. The same mistake killed Kennedy in his Piper Saratoga.
I feel like a dog asking this question, but I am not a mathematician, with a specialty in physics. With deepest respect to those who lost their lives, and their families and loved ones remaining, I've never been able to figure out how the final resting places of some of the victims happened. Gianna and one of her teammates came to rest northwest of the wreckage, almost parallel to each other, but some distance apart. Kobe came to rest almost immediately outside of the fuselage, as well as another female adult few ft north of him, while two passengers, one of the young players and the defense coach remained trapped inside. The father who was the baseball coach came to rest almost at a 90 degree angle left of the fuselage, but several feet away, then the pilot, still strapped in his seat maybe 80 degrees to the right of the fuselage several feet away up a slight embankment. Previous reenactments around the time of the accident, accounting for the witness view of the underside of the helo, positioned the helo upside down, as opposed to this scenario of a high bank position on its left side at impact. If so, I think the girls must have been ejected from the craft prior to impact. I am not a pilot, nor engineer; however, I do have 30 years' of experience of taking the testimonies of experts and others in the reconstruction of accidents involving different modes of transportation. The pilo comment referenced in the video of the possibility of altering somehow the controls when he leaned left is sound. It happens more often than you think. The operator drops something in a car, reaches down to pick it up, unintentionally putting pressure on the gas pedal, or rudder of a plane. It's speculation that may have been an associated cause of the accident with John Denver; when he reached behind him to try to switch gas tanks, he put pressure on his right foot. Sadly, in both of these cases, neither pilot or aircraft should have been in the air thos horrible days, and not because they are celebrities. John's license was revoked, and flying conditions using only vfr were unsafe, which was the only condition this helo was certified to operate.
Well said about inadvertent control inputs. One of the most important sj=kills a pilot should learn is lightness on the controls, especially in rough air and low/zero visibility.
This was one of the most foggiest days ever. I woke up that morning and notice right away how Thick that fog was..it was really bad that Sunday morning...and to think people would get on a helicopter in this mess 'was pure unbelievable. this was like being despaired for a peace of crack or something.
Helicopters have instruments please tell em what indicators you need to know your X Y Z position, cause it seems like you don’t know. There is an instrument that tells you your altitude. Instrument called GPS that shows you your position. You can fly blind. That’s what the instruments are for.
It was his time to go onto another life and experience his next love.. And now his life had fulfil his dreams and goals, it was already done. Link this to his goodbye basketball letter. he knew his journey and life goal was over, he's somewhere again giving his all for the next goal he has. GO KOBE!❤
I still don’t understand how if a helicopter can literally hover in place at 0mph, why was he flying so fast at 184mph in FOG!!?? It’s not an airplane that has to maintain super high speeds.
Hovering is not as easy as non-pilots think it is. You *need* visual references to be able to hover. NO pilot can hover in fog with no visibility. You are right that 160 mph was too fast for that area and those conditions. This is what I've been told by helicopter pilots. Hovering/flying very slow is EXTREMELY difficult to impossible without visibility.
Jarrett Baker I think this chopper wasn’t capable to hover it had to maintain a forward motion,it can only hover on take off while it’s going up but once it’s moving forward it can’t hover for long,choppers with wheels usually can’t hover
Jesus. Basically the pilot couldn't see a single thing and his perception got all mixed up thinking he's going one direction, but was going all the way down to the ground
Thank you for making this wonderful video representation for us all to see. Such useful information and it has explained it better to me then any news outlet could! 😊❤️👏🏼
I flew single engine as a VFR- only pilot for 22 years. The cause of this tragic accident was pretty clear from early on. A classic case of what we call “VFR into IMC” and the spatial disorientation it caused the pilot so that he lost control. Truly, truly, sad….
What’s the correct thing to do in this situation where you suddenly lose all visibility in proximity to terrain? Would there have been enough time to stop and hover?
Erich Von Manstein Lol it’s pilot responsibility to make sure it’s safe period it’s not the passengers. I worked airlines the pilot runs the show period 🔥🔥
100,000 Subscribers With No Videos Challenge right that could of happened but it’s pilots job period not safe you don’t go - passengers don’t tell pilot ///
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“If they were just 100 feet higher” that one hurt😣
That's his estimate.... The pilot lost control of the helicopter.... Even is he was "100" feet higher there would've been no difference
but shouldn't he have studied his route before even stepping foot into the helicopter?? I would think you would have to study where you are going and think of the best routes to get to a place before taking that risk.
100 feet is a lot fym just😂
Anima Vestra yeah but that’s not a lot when you’re almost basically free falling that’s .2 seconds you’re talking 100 feet
@@killershark4121 But if he did that 100 feet he wouldn't have lost control.
As a Helo pilot with 52 years and 28,000 hours experience I’ve seen this same scenario occur so many times yet pilots continue to put themselves into these situations
I am hoping that my videos will help one pilot make a different decision than they would have otherwise. You may find this new video which includes new ATC communications interesting: ruclips.net/video/M_Dpm144KXo/видео.html
So what would've been the best maneuver to do? I'm not asking to blame anyone or something like that, I'm just interested ^^
@@eue4127 I think he's saying don't fly in these conditions, it's not worth the risk at all.
@@Bettyboop08 I'm a student pilot not for a heli but for a SEL plane.
When you go into IMC, you can't even feel if you're diving, spinning, etc. You lose all sense of orientation, and thus must focus on your instruments to guide you, as well as NOT FLYING LOW in these conditions. I'm so sure Kobe would have wanted to fly low to show off lol.
Anna Richards don’t say lol
I learned more from this than all the news coverage combined.
ASMR Critique literally
Thanks. Take a look at my latest video for even more information. ruclips.net/video/M_Dpm144KXo/видео.html including newly released ATC audio.
Facts me too
The crash did not happen that way
so true
This is a classic lesson to pilots of all experience to never become complacent. I was once told "this is the first time you have flown this flight", which basically means no matter how experienced you are what unfolds today is still something new. I always treated the airspeed during landing and the artificial horizon during instrument flight as things critical to life, because they are. Lastly, we must be aware of pilot workload and identify moments when our workload is increased. So, if we know we are turning our attention to navigation, we must realise that our attention on critical issues will now be impaired.
Man.. for that split second when they finally saw the side of the mountain right before impact, that shit had to have been breathtakingly terrifying. RIP Everyone on board 🕊
@PARK stfu
Hanji Zoe hes not lying
PARK but there’s no reason for saying this this is youtube
PARK religion is a myth made up by mankind to give reason to prosper. after death it all goes black. there is no god.
Wavyy Mochy Sooo you died before and came back to say all this?
Ugh. I think the most frustrating part of this is 100 feet and they would have been clear.
Yeah.
Yep
Actually no. He had lost control of the aircraft. Can't fly a helicopter very far when it's upside down. His mistake was not slowing down and watching attitude indicator while climbing slowly to get out if the soup. Then contact ATC and let them steer him to a place to land.
Not really. Other pilots who flew that say above the clouds all say it was much higher. Also you dont get into clouds in without instruments. They were doomed long before they climbed. That was just a desperation last ditch attempt to save themselves.
@@gailtaylor1636 slowing down an aircraft is worst. It stalls out faster and that helicopter was not made to go slow.
The part where you showed how there was no visibility gave me so much anxiety, I can’t imagine how scared they must have been :(
Omg ikr
ur mom kid if you can’t see that’s not normal
ur mom kid Well the pilot probably didn’t think he was flying normally.
@@peytonlengacher not being able to see is very common. People fly IFR all the time.
They are trained to fly that way usually... this guy was a veteran pilot... there is still no way to know why he was unable to fly through the clouds...
As a master helicopter pilot with over 100 years of experience, I can say with confidence that this crash would not have occurred if they hadn't gotten so close to the ground.
as a cloud, i agree
You have over 100 years of experience? Wait, what?
@@omairtech6711 😴
lol
By the way, there were no helicopters in 1923(100 years ago). Helis were invented in the 50's.
I love how everyone in the comments are trained pilots
Thank you I was thinking the same thing
fr smh typical
RUclips is the place where all the pros and experts come together to share their knowledge.
I noticed the same thing. Everyone giving their expert opinion and obviously have zero experience.
Armchair pilots
I don't care how experienced that pilot was...It only takes one time to make such a huge mistake, and it's over..
His experience should have guided him to just turn around and go back before he got them all into that mess. This was senseless and completely avoidable.
He made a beginner's mistake which makes me question his experience for real!!!!
Foot soldier it happens man. Unfortunate for him and Kobe and everyone in the helicopter Rip Kobe Gianna and the victims
It makes me angry that the pilot flew in such horrible weather conditions. This accident could have so easily been avoided. What made him think he could fly with such poor visibility? He was completely irresponsible. I would never ever fly in a helicopter, but Inwoukd have never gotten on a helicopter with those poor weather conditions. I don’t care how experienced the pilot was. 😡😡😢
Kobe said he had 8,000 hours under his belt and that he trusted him.
The pilot was flying VFR ( Visual Flight Rules) which means he has permission to fly in those conditions but he chose not to go IFR ( Instrument Flight Rules) . He should’ve waited until the fog passed but as always there’s always a cover up and a hidden agenda to the story.
Im not going to agree with y’all ! keep saying the pilot killed them . HE COULDNT SEE EITHER . Like he died too . Y’all have to understand that !
SharpGrain VLOGS lmfaooo , gtfo “Karen” .😘
Prehistoric Spongebob no since at all .💀😭
Prehistoric Spongebob that was one of the worst analogies ever. I cringed reading that.
Fr it wasn’t the pilots fault idk why so many people are saying “iT iS tHe pIolt faUlT “when it wasn’t the pilot couldn’t see anything any there was nothing he could do the pilot died as well. people in the comments are acting like they are professional or something
SharpGrain VLOGS clearly doesn’t know the definition of Karen
As someone who didn’t really follow the story when it happened, I had pictured that the helicopter was flying in a straight line with a slight dip and just plowed straight into the mountain they thought they were above. The reconstruction here really demonstrates how much low visibility can mess with your sense of direction/orientation when you don’t pay attention to the instruments.
Spatial disorientation is a dangerous phenomenon. Here a video shows how easy it is to become disoriented when you don't see the attitude indicator and you can't see the ground out the window: ruclips.net/video/9ofStn2KScg/видео.html . In that video, the pilot is flying while his head is covered and the attitude indicator is turned off, and he gets completely disoriented. He is trying to fly straight and level, thinks he might be banking to the right, and is actually banking to the left and descending. My follow -on video clearly shows that the N72EX pilot was disoriented: ruclips.net/video/M_Dpm144KXo/видео.html
Honest to God I thought he was re-creating it in GTA 5
Imma do it
same lol
Looks like los Santos
Same bro
@Gabriel Godina Are you stupid? I didn't make a joke. And I said an honest opinion about who I thought he was recreating this accident in a game.
He never realized that he had dropped hundreds of feet so quickly a sign of sure vertigo. It happens in military all the time. 20yrs. 101AA CWO4 avionics specialist.
You know he just had to look at the altitude and they would have been alright
ur mom kid shut up u kid
ur mom kid exactly 🤦🏽♀️
@@novles6262 think about what he did, to put it better and in a way that you''l understand, it's like being on a highway with a very slight turn to the right, you're in the left lane, and you look at the GPS trying to configure it for just a bit too long. You'll see the railing you're going straight into only milliseconds before impact, nothing you could do.
@@itsvenatiic-8957 yo that want a mistake man sadly
Why keep flying if you can’t see anything???
I know. It was such a careless and irresponsible thing to do.
Now we're all left with what if ? What could've happened if he the pilot turned back. They would be alive today. I seen many comments that said Kobe pressured him into flying that day. But they talked to another pilot who used to fly him and he said Kobe's number one thing was safety
My point exactly. i just can’t understand why was the pilot still traveling at a high speed if at some point he couldn’t see anything anymore ? 🤔 Excuse my ignorance I’m just trying to understand. Perhaps he just didn’t have time 🤷🏽♀️
Everyone has their Theory but no one knows what the pilot was thinking or about ready to do nobody was in that helicopter but those people that died that day so no matter how much you try to figure out why how come what if it was it happened it was their time .
@@gdlady9064 that's true. It probably was so fast and a split second decision by then it was too late if he realized he wasn't clear all the way through
Nobody on board knew they were about to die except the pilot who for a second or two got to see the side of the mountain. Cant imagine how jawbreakingly scary those two seconds felt for the pilot and to the others on board i hope they didn’t suffer
the basketball american didnt bounce
Jaw breaking is an understatement by you. Kobe’s brain exited his skull according to autopsy; a bit more than jaw breaking!
@@sweetdeemdd9678 No his brain did not exit his skull. Read the actual report before you post nonsense www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Celebs/bryant,%20kobe_report.pdf
check out the autopsy of kobe. they for sure didnt die slow
Kobe forced the pilot to fly in bad conditions. Why is no one talking about this? Is this a cover up?
Imagine how scary it would be not knowing if you're climbing or falling and then moments before impact you see that you're literally diving towards the ground. RIP.
Wat? No, it's not scary, nobody in the back of the helicopter knew anything then they crashed dying instantly.
I would have lost my tummy the very moment I didn't know whether I'm right side up. It happens to me in whiteouts, whether I'm driving in severe snowfall or briefly airborne on skis. I'd never pass a SEAL test.
@@colin-nekritz and now they are all rottting in hell
not scary bc like 2 seconds later they dead
@@Elias-xh8xm no u
It sends chills down my spine thinking about how scared they would have been.
Spazzmat Studios if the pilot didn’t notice then most likely they didn’t either. I’m pretty sure it happened faster than they could react
They didn’t see it coming bro 😞 that’s the scarier part 💔
@@kazuhira9489 The pilot didnt didnt notice visibly but your body definitely can feel that drop in altitude. They all probably felt it like a drop of a roller coaster but by the time they could have possibly process the feeling that they were falling they'd be dead already.
LAN Evo shut tf up
Ionnn. Layy they were happy
Keri, John, Sarah, Christina, Ara, Gigi, Kobe, Alyssa and Payton (all the people lost on the helicopter)
Who tf asked
@@allmyhomiesk2509 sym bro
All my homies K stfu
LMAO who did ask??
@@allmyhomiesk2509 😂😂😂
Excellent recreation. I could never understand why anyone would get into a vehicle, car or aircraft, when they can’t see anything out the window. I drove my car in bad fog trying to get home. It was terrifying.
For what it's worth, when they took off they could see outside the window. They didn't hit zero visibility until they got near Calabasas.
So close 100 feet. That really bothers me.
As the British say, " In for a penny, in for a pound.", ie. whether the pilot was 10 feet or a thousand feet too low the outcome would've been the same.
F.Y.I. - In the pilot's last recertification test or practice he had flunked one part of it. Want to guess which one? Yep. Flying under poor visibility.
Daniel Fronc god damn.
@@danielfronc4304 trying to be slick and it cost everyone
Yes so close and maybe they would have been alive may there souls rest in peace
Even if the hill wasn't there, they would've crashed anyway.
Incredible to think that this pilot was actually a CFII (instrument instructor) with ~13,000 hours. His daily life at some point involved teaching new students how to fly in the EXACT conditions in which he got disoriented and unfortunately caused this tragic accident. It’s scary how powerful complacency can be when combined with VFR-into-IMC induced spatial disorientation.
I agree, it is hard to believe. I have a better timeline in my May update ruclips.net/video/M_Dpm144KXo/видео.html. In that update it appears that the helicopter is in a controlled climb from about 17:44:30 to 17:45:08. Then the helicopter enters a significant left turn and (I haven't published this yet) flies a flight path that produces exactly 1g into the seat (as though the pilot is flying by the seat of his pants). At about 17:45:22 the pilot notifies ATC that he intends to climb to 4000 feet, when the helicopter is in fact descending. That suggests that the pilot is disoriented and that for at least 12 seconds he didn't look at the attitude indicator. Difficult to believe. What could have distracted him for so long?
My opinion he trained others only did not fly Instruments on occasion. And “forgot” to fly the aircraft.
@@stevencondas2281 New aircraft maybe? What was his hours on that type of aircraft? If less, then it would take some time to enter the MCDU (computer) not to mentioned the level of stress. That's why it is better to have 2 pilots. One flying, one Pilot monitoring (or assist key in the input of the computer).
Drivers make the same mistakes, too. You get comfortable with it, get distracted one day, or the visibility is low, and next thing you know a deer goes through your windshield or you look down to grab something on the floorboard and look up to see you're in front of a semi. It happens.
@@stevencondas2281 One thing that distracted him was the confused ATC controller asking him to ident. That along in a high stress workload might have taken him 6 seconds to process and a couple of seconds to carry out. The ATC controller asked him this at the worst possible moment.
The helicopter should never have taken off, I don’t think that’s an overstatement. RIP Kobe.
Johnny Roberts agreed
Ya know Kobe gotta go extra showing up to a basketball game
@@dirtynikesocks6405 wtf
@@dirtynikesocks6405 facts kobe need to flex his shit make the kids cheer as he landed
Geezy i know but even when his car showed up there would be a crowd, and which is safer, a car.... during a cloudy, foggy day.
This is why spacial awareness is crucial. It was the pilot's fault for not paying attention to where he was going. As soon as you lose visibility you focus on the instruments.
All the “should’ve, could’ve, would’ve” in the world won’t be bring 3 teenage girls and 6 adults back. RIP everyone aboard that helicopter 🚁
Let me clarify what I mean, because I’m being attacked for this post for weeks now: I feel like everyone is misinterpreting my comment. It was simply a lament on my part. Simply my expression of how sad and senseless I feel about the whole damn thing. No need to attack me.
Renee H no it won’t but it will give us closure we need. Because this “could’ve” of been avoided
No it won't. But, if it helps in TRAINING other pilots that OTHER lives will be spared, then it's worth their time they put in.
When we KNOW better, we DO BETTER!
Monique Knew the pilot was experienced. The issue was allowing him to fly in a fog and not having the right safety checks beforehand
@@adeniyiibitoye2850 👍 Yes, the existing fog should have NOT allowed them to even go up in the first place. But what happens when the fog happens AFTER they are ALREADY up? Maybe there is SOMETHING that can be learned from the unfortunate mistakes here so they won't ever be repeated. 😥
Monique Knew agreed! Anything is possible and we need to prepare for it. The pilot was experienced but may not have experience in a fog. Breaks me to see a icon like Kobe die in a he most unthinkable way ever. All of this could have been prevented. Even loss the daughters and another coach/ father
This indicates to me that there's a better chance that they only suffered a few seconds if at all. I hope they never saw the ground coming since it was so quick.
Seems that way because cause of death was blunt force trauma
@@certifiedchaos4643 Yes I know once they hit the mountain it was instant death. But I had always wondered if they knew they were falling to their death. With this video it showed there was about 2-3 seconds of the ground in view before the crash. Hopefully not enough time to even process what was going to happen
I have hoped that too. That it was quick and they didn’t know what was happening. I would hate to think that they knew what was coming. May the all Rest In Peace. So heartbreaking for the families.
Karen Kramer yea exactly if anything they were told to buckle up because it a maneuver coming. I don’t think they saw death coming
I was thinking of the same thing. Especially, they didn't sit in the cockpit, the chance for them to know what was going on is pretty slim. That's the only relief we can have from this tragedy.
The speed of the impact was abt 250 km/s I heard, it was abt the same to the neuron transmission, it might mean that the signal of death never gets to Kobes brain and his subconscious entered into the infinity loop, another dimension if there is.
Can't imagine how they felt. I feel anxious when in car with fog that strong.
Devastating 😔
They didn’t see it coming
@@the2kgvdz182 Sorry, but he didnt mean that. They could obviously notice the thick fog( and this gave them bad feelings, felt the danger. The guy said he is anxious even in a car in that kind if fog.
They had no idea it was about to happen. That’s how low the visibility was.
Rhythm Earth I don’t think you guys understand what she is trying to say. Not that they knew they were going to die but that thick fog is scary. If you ever have drove in it. Very unsafe feeling and I’m sure they felt it
Kobe more like deadbe
I saw this when it came out but I’m here on the 1 year anniversary of their deaths rip Kobe his daughter and the others 🕊💜💛 rest in Peace
Yeah, it's hard to believe that it has been a year, and I feel sad for all of the families who were impacted. FYI, if you haven't already seen it, I created a follow-on that includes additional ATC communications. ruclips.net/video/M_Dpm144KXo/видео.html
i don’t know why there are so many dislikes, he’s giving us answers to our many questions
Because its fucking tastless and turns Kobe's tragedy into a fucking project for profit.
Jason Quiroz your stupid
Jason Quiroz This is quite literally information, and you twisted it into a narrative that could be seen as offensive somehow. I'm fucking disgusted at my 9th grade geography teacher then, because she was just clearly exploiting my mind by projecting a map of planet Earth into my brain for her own benefit.
Jason Quiroz Ehh shut up
1.6 dislikes and 3M views? There is always dislikes.
That Sunday was so gloomy and depressing. Something bad was bound to happen
yeah i said "man it's foggy as hell" before the breaking news happened
Yeah I remember being in LA on my last year of college. My school holds a special connection w/ Kobe because although he never went there he apparently used to come all the time to practice on the same courts us students play on (UCLA). My roommate woke me up in the morning and broke me the news. I think it’s gonna be those moments where everyone remembers where they were when it happened, especially for those living in LA at the time
I broke my Knee Cap that same time of the helicopter crash 😣
@@gioblic dam doing what
RJ Basketball
Great work. I was in the airline business for 35 years, lost several friends in crashes, and my dad was a private pilot almost all of his life. These details always interest me. Thanks for sharing your private investigations.
What your name
Seeing details of someone’s death is interesting? Fucking gross dude.
@@rachaelbly6714 I don't think that's what they meant DUDE.
Rachael Bly u sound ridiculous for taking this person’s comment out of context
I would like to sincerely thank you from the bottom of my heart for clarifying and enhancing the video of the horrific crash and subsequent agonizing death of Kobe Bryant. God bless you!
Thank you for the kind words. You may also be interested in my follow-on video with additional ATC communications that I obtained from the FAA: ruclips.net/video/M_Dpm144KXo/видео.html
Remember we have backgrounds on JFK Jr's airplane crash in 1999 and Air France's Flight 447 in 2009, among others. Bad weather is a true factor of possible erratic reactions and spatial disorientation. Pilots, please don't defy bad weather, mother nature is wise.
Air France 447 was pilot error of controls not disorientation.
JR was murdered by the Clinton’s
Whenever I watch videos related to this topic my heart beats so fast just thinking about what it must of been like to be on that helicopter . I wish they never went on that helicopter that day, so sad. Praying they didn't know what was coming. REST IN ETERNAL HEAVEN all of them . Sweet Angels . You will be dearly missed.
They didn't even know they crashed. The impact at that speed, it was instant.
@@bradbennett4237 yeah the impact was instant death but making that left turn... if the mountain bike saw the belly of the helicopter all the passengers fell to the side of the doors. So terrible.
@@prittyugly86 Someone said, "When you go into IMC, you can't even feel if you're diving, spinning, etc. You lose all sense of orientation, and thus must focus on your instruments to guide you, as well as NOT FLYING LOW in these conditions"
I hope this is true because I can't imagine the fear they would have felt..
He probably didnt realize how close the hills were.
Paul Whitaker yeah that’s what i’m thinking, it was so foggy that day he didn’t realize that he was going straight into a hill..
@@aduzzy8075 I'm thinkin' he was drunk!
@@aduzzy8075 it's his job to know
Paul Whitaker, i think youre the reincarnation of Sherlock
@@ayolaipo 🤔😉
It’s absolutely insane this was already 3 years ago. Feels like I was walking out to my car reading the headline on my phone just last year
1. Aviate
2. Navigate
3. Communicate
He overloaded himself the entire flight.
captaingordon well said
captaingordon This type of helicopter never should be flewn by just one pilot. Period.
VFR expert in IFR.
No. He shouldn't have even lifted off....
@@TrillMatic187 This!
It could had been avoided 😭
Very much so...
I believe all this happens for a reason
@@jhstashy1027 yeah the *fog*
Hindsight is 20/20
anything could have been avoided. it’s just how the universe is. No going back anymore.
I can't take this anymore. Love you Kobe 💕
If you read all of their autopsy reports and factor in the speed in which the human brain can receive and digest information, they didn't think or feel a thing.
I agree, on another video you can hear the pilot's voice in a very calm demeaner and in control, he never sounded in distress, I don't think he knew he was descending himself...
@@rebeccareyes405 goes to show that there are way too many dogsht pilots out there
@@Elias-xh8xm spill
their brain was still in tact? how much of them was left?
@@jjan2383 There was a body trunk or two intact with no heads, arms or legs, but mostly they were torn to shreds. What I meant was that even if a full brain had been intact, their deaths were so violent and so sudden that their brains could not process the information fast enough to know what's happening before death occurs. Couple that with a lack of situational knowledge (everything seemed ok) and they never knew what happened.
Wow. :\ My heart dropped watching this seeing the animated plane going down, just imagining how terrified everyone was during those final moments. My god :(
This is X Plane 11 btw.
It's not a plane
@@sebastianrm1973 No one cares. :)
It's a helicopter, not a plane. No one was terrified. They couldn't see anything. In a fog like that, the passengers, as well as the pilots, had no idea they were descending. They thought they were climbing.
I was one of the mountain bikers that came across the scene. It was myself and 2 hikers. We tried to look for survivors but there was nothing but pieces. I am an instrument rated pilot as well and I can tell you I would not have been flying on that day. Clouds were very low. The search and rescue Helicopter even had a hard time finding the site.
It is possible that your claim to be one of the bikers is legit, but I don't see anything in your RUclips profile that suggests your are a pilot or a mountain biker. Can you PM me at deterspam-flight@yahoo.com so that I can authenticate your claim? Thx.
Emailed.
I have corresponded with Blake_SVT and I believe their post is authentic.
Do you reckon the leaked autopsy reports are fake?
@@michaelflores9220 No I dont think so, from everything I saw I could agree to most of it. Even saw the cops taking the pictures of bodies.
Thank you for the time you put into making this video. I think I speak for everyone when I say we greatly appreciate it.
Thanks!
RIP to Kobe Bryant, Gianna Bryant, Payton Chester, 13; Sarah Chester, 45; Alyssa Altobelli, 14; Keri Altobelli, 46; John Altobelli, 56; Christina Mauser, 38; and the helicopter's pilot, Ara Zobayan, 50.
50? that explains a lot
All other helicopters were grounded due to the fog. So sad they didn't take head and found alternative for travel 💔😩😭
This isn’t true
IT'S TRUE
Bradley Elliott police should’ve advised everyone
You guys the reason why they had clearance to fly was bcz Kobe's helicopter was a sikorsky s-76. Which has turboshaft twin engines and are big tanks equivalent to a small private jet. They carry up to 13 passengers.
LAPD helicopters don't even compare. However it's ultimately the Pilot's responsibility to make the safest decision.
I agree, bunch of idiots
I will never fly in a helicopter after what happened to Kobe.
daniel7899999 unfortunately my job requires me too
daniel7899999 helicopters are completely safe. It was the weather that caused this. A bad judgment and should of never flown
@@sydneyc3259 No mode* of transportation is completely safe, ESPECIALLY helicopters
@Abu Mansaray Only if you're incompetent and don't pay attention
@@patstaysuckafreeboss8006 Not really, there are so many ways to die in traffic that are completely out of your control.
1:07 my whole body just tensed up seeing the visibility like that
Mine didn't
You claustrophobic?
Fairly common on IFR flights
Snowflake
literally all he had to do was keep going up
I had 20 hours of small plane flight experience and I still vividly remember my instructor demonstrating how disorientated you could get in a clouds, for example not realize you were in a turn or oriented funny and you need to watch your instruments.
Classic spiral dive in IMC.
This exact scenario has killed more people than the FAA can count.
Long story short Rip to everyone involved my condolences to all families
Mamba.for.life
Ugh if he would’ve just flew up about another 100 feet he’d be out of the clouds...that’s f’n mind boggling. This whole thing is just beyond heart breaking and this NEVER should’ve happened!!! I’m just speechless...
Could layer can vary a lot apparently. So at the exact location the helicopter was in it could have been a couple of hundred feet from breaking out.
Apparently he tried to climb above and shoot down quickly to shove the clouds out of the way. It was a buffer system to clear. Smh
Let's stop with the 100 feet comment. They were doomed the second he went into the clouds. Flying into clouds in VFR is a death sentence.
Enerio Romero well wouldn’t that mean it was a suicide mission since he was so “experienced” ?
If the pilot was indeed looking to his 'down and left' to configure the Honeywell Flight Management System, this would be very indicative of a term known as "target fixation." I used to Road Race motorcycles and "target fixation" was something you had to constantly fight against. Any racer will know what i'm talking about! When you're going at a high rate of speed, you will have a tendency to steer exactly where it is you are looking. ESPECIALLY in a turn. Which is why you are taught to look straight through a turn, through the apex, (the line). As pointed out here, in this mock crash simulation, if the the pilot was looking down and to his left, that's exactly where he would unknowingly start to steer, target fixation...
In my early days as Marine crew chief, I spent a few thousand hours in the back of Helo's. H 53E's, UH1N Huey's, and CH-46 Sea Knights. Though i'm not a pilot, i was in constant radio contact with pilots and heard every word they said, and would often be standing right behind them during flight. We were often deployed aboard Navy vessels and spent many hours out at sea, which means flying in lots of fog! Though there are not as many obstacles to run into out at sea, you still have to avoid the water. I remember when we were in complete 'white out fog' the pilots would slow down our forward speed and rely heavily on instrumentation, namely that life saving ADI (attitude directional indicator). It's just like it sounds, it shows you the ATTITUDE of the aircraft. It tells you If you're flying level or not. But, like anything else, your craft has to have an operating ADI and you need to be well versed in its operation. If you're flying in fog and can't see, the ADI needs to be one of the things that has your immediate attention. It can assist in keeping you from flying into terrain. Helicopters are a slightly unstable craft to begin with, simply by design. It's like flying on a knife's edge. It is constantly affected by winds trying to topple it over or push it in one direction or another so it requires quite the touch to counteract these forces and keep it upright, more so than a plane. If you are going to pilot in fog, you had better be well practiced in it!!! The pilot in this case has been flying for a long time, how much of that time has he spent in 'fog like' conditions? I have no idea, but it's clear to me, in my amatuer opinion, that not being able to see where he was going seemed to put him into unfamiliar and uncomfortable territory. And it distracted him long enough, a few seconds is all it takes, and the craft went into a direction that he did not counter or account for and they flew, unwittingly, right into the hillside. It's easy for us to second guess and play armchair Monday morning quarterback as to what happened, we have the luxury of time to do that. The fact is that this accident was set into motion early in this flight by a series of 'human factors.' The final demise taking only seconds to play out. And if you have only seconds to try and save your life, you're going to need an incredibly ridiculous amount of luck!!! I am just not able to process his forward speed, a reported 185 knots or so, when you have zero visibility. He was truly lost, and so now they all share the same fate...May God watch over them and their loved ones.
Spatial disorientation. JFK jr and many others have fallen victim. People don't get when visual senses are disabled, the seat of the pants sense of up, down, left and right is disabled as well. The two leading causes of non commercial aviation crashes are CFT (Controlled flight into terrain) and running out of fuel ( usually miscalculated weight or windage which consumes more fuel than estimated)
I cant read all that summarizing would be better next time
uuummm, it's not required reading...
@@tima.478 get a job man
That’s a damn novel. Seriously way too long. Try and summarize that shit a bit lol
I honestly find this video absurdly educational. I was dying to know how such a thing could’ve ever happened under normal circumstances.
The no visibility thing freaks me out when driving. I can't imagine flying. I think at that point, I accept death is a possibility.
Right? That’s terrifying wtf
It's more terrifying on the road because there could be a car ahead, a turn, anything since you couldn't see, and can't stop either due to cars behind you. In the air, at least there's nothing in every direction.
@@quickspinner210 Yes that is very scary too, they are on their own level of scary lol.
Just keep flying up
Death should never be a possibility in that situation, the pilot made a huge error and it cost the life of many.
R.I.P Kobe, Gigi and everyone onboard that helicopter 🙏😢😭❤️💔
Nobody remembers any other names. Had Kobe not been on here it would have never made the news
@@kojack635 what are you talking about? A freaking helicopter crashed ofc its gonna make the news are u dumb!
@@BtwNodea Happens all the time, only a few make the news.
@@kojack635 atlest for a day
. im sike of famous people get a fucking 7 day boo ho story
@@kojack635 the pilot can rot in hell
It’s so good that we have this much information on what happened. There’s some deaths that go unsolved, so this is good.
ruclips.net/video/nku-diMKUpI/видео.html rip Kobe :(
The left and down theory on the joystick is probably what it did it. I don't think the pilot realized they were going left and down, because there was no visibility and he was confused. When the chopper got out of the fog to see the mountain, it was too late because they were moving over 100mph. RIP Mamba forever
RIP everyone who passed in that crash. Nobody matter anymore than another❤️
Exactly.
Someone with a heart. not just ohhh kobe my favorite, i swear just saw a comment saying" oh just if crona hapend before he died which would mean more people dead the under stupidity.
@@anubisizzy your right now I know COVID actually was discovered in late 2019
Except Kobe. He was a rapist POS.
Yea but we all know and love Kobe , that’s why is hurt. We didn’t know anyone else but is sad for their families who knew and loved them .
This is preventable! The pilot should turn around or do emergency landing!!!
Ya, pilot was not an expert as people are suggesting.
I don't see his 20 years of experience I work offshore we fly out to the oil rigs and when I saw this I couldn't believe my eyes!!!!!
The pilot probably trying to showboat
I would love to see you go it you would panic so you know it's always good to shut up
Brian Joe Reyes yes!! 🥺
That’s the saddest thing about life. We can become proficient at things with dangerous elements like driving or flying and do it tens of thousands of times, but all it takes is one lapse of judgement in a moment to end your life. All we can do is manage and reduce the risks where we can! Prayers up for all the lives lost and their families 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾.
If the pilot thought he was climbing and had no sensation he was going down, its fair to assume that everyone on the plane had no clue and where not holding each other screaming. They were probably just talking and suddenly lights out. If that's how it happened, at least no one suffered, no pain....its like one minute you are this world famous basketball player who is admire by millions, and in a blink of an eye you become history....like you were never here.
Classic Spiral Dive accident, nobody on board knew they were crashing until the last second.
Thanks for posting, good work. Juan
Thank you. I've seen your work and your comment means a lot. You might be interested in my latest video which has some new ATC comms I got from the FAA: ruclips.net/video/M_Dpm144KXo/видео.html
Wow and that’s probably how it happened. Damn RIP to them all
This is heartbreaking in all ways.
Can't imagine what they felt as this crash was happening. So sorry. I pray it was quick
We miss you Kobe and Gianna ❤️
You knew them?
So you dont care about the others involved that also lost there lives . ?
Dave X this is unnecessary that’s obviously not what he meant those are just the first two that come to mind dick
Hypocrite
Why the hell didn’t he keep climbing to get over the clouds? Second- why did he make that turn when he had no visibility?
One of the big questions is why would a pilot flying under special visual flight rules go into the clouds. Definitely a bad decision.
@macks Smith Who's blaming ATC?
@macks Smith you actually make some of the best points I've read studying this horrible crash since day one trying to find any answers that make logical sense aside from the easiest though of frustration he went up high to fly down in suicide mission, but why?
The stall makes the most sense crashing at 185 miles an hour versus the helicopter being able to fly only 154 miles an hour max speed... but this helicopter has two engines so we have to assume both engines went out in a stall and he couldn't get them back on... therefore crashing extremely sadly.
@@johannsimonot huh?
Because the higher you go bud the worse it gets he wouldn’t of cleared the clouds until close to stalling level and that’s fog so good luck getting out of that by going higher
This was what I was waiting for ..thanks for this. It makes plenty sense how this tragic event happened🙏🙏 RIP KOBE GIGI and the rest of the people on board.
It is mostly a shameless video, with no respect for the dead people...All this for some click and some money...
If you like it, good for you...Not sure that the families involved will like it...
Steve, thanks for your time in creating this. It's great to have some perspective and understanding around what happened.
THANK YOU!
Yep...spatial disorientation was the cause...💔 What a panic the pilot must have been in surrounded by nothing but clouds!
Denice Brooks yes for sure. Think about when we are driving and run into bad weather or fog and can’t see. That fear that goes through you. If you aren’t closest to the shoulder to where you can possibly pull over you take chances. In the air you don’t have that ability to just pull over and wait. He knew he was in trouble and knew Kobe counted on him and was hoping he could make it some how. We all pray in situations that we are doing the right thing and will be able to handle it. It’s just so damn tragic. He may have said to Kobe we shouldn’t fly it’s a bit rough in the air or we need to turn around. Who knows what Kobe’s response was. We will never know unfortunately. Breaks my heart.
@@user-cc2oc3pq4y or like you said....he didnt want to let Kobe down and possibly lose his business and/or trust. You can really hear the panic in his voice when he asked the traffic controller "Is it ok for me to turn left"?
Yes, he knew he was in trouble and was probably angry at himself for allowing his situation to happen. Fear started to take over because he knew the consequences of his situation. I certainly hope the passengers weren't aware....do you think they were..?
So very, very sad...all of those lives lost, not to mention the legend that will never be again, amongst them.💔💔
Take a look at my latest video that support your hypothesis: ruclips.net/video/v2V7cUoA_UA/видео.html
Just 100 more feet ☝ and they ALL would still be here... 😪
R.I.P. 🙏❤🙏❤🙏
When it’s ur time to go details don’t matter
@@raghurajaram8817
Very True...
@Darryl Perry
Well said.
They would of crashed anyway something was wrong with it
There was a witness that heard a bang he said then he was cut off Kobe was murdered these fuckers don't have a problem with taking out a whole plane full of passengers to kill one in this case a helicopter they have no respect for human life they don't know Jesus
The saddest thing imo about this was how scary and frightening, and also painful it must’ve been. Imagine being so accustomed to helicopter travel Kobe and his daughter (as well as the other victims) were, then suddenly how their lives flashing before their eyes as your demise is being played out, and how there is nothing you can do as a father to comfort your child. I could still cry if I let myself.
someone said, "When you go into IMC, you can't even feel if you're diving, spinning, etc. You lose all sense of orientation, and thus must focus on your instruments to guide you, as well as NOT FLYING LOW in these conditions"
Which I hope is true and there was no pain... that's instant death. They just experienced a ko you don't wake up from..smh
They didn't feel anything. His brain was ejected from his skull on impact.
there never is anything you can do to truly comfort your child other than to just be there. I'm sure he was there. I'm sure he made her feel safe in the last moments even though they weren't
It really doesn't matter how many years or how many hours you have logged. When you lose that spatial orientation (which can happen at ANY moment) due to darkness or fog, you better be able to fly by instrumentation or you are screwed.
Well said. Unfortunately, many instrument rated pilots lose proficiency through lack of practice, complacency or other factors. For his total hours, the accident pilot's experience in actual instrument conditions was paltry.
Thanks to the creator of this video. This is the first re-creation that didnt make me want the creator to die in their sleep.
Made me laugh!
Yeah, this is really good.
Makes sense to me. Better version from what I’ve been seeing lately.
Ya
Great job on the reconstruction. I am an Instrument Commercial Pilot and I have flown actual instrument meteorological conditions in the exact area of the Kobe crash for 12 years. All would have been saved if he like I would do set up the autopilot on the ground before taking off. That way all he had to do was hit a button to engage the autopilot when he could no longer see out of the cockpit. The gyroscopes that run the autopilot do not get disoriented like humans do. The same mistake killed Kennedy in his Piper Saratoga.
I feel like a dog asking this question, but I am not a mathematician, with a specialty in physics. With deepest respect to those who lost their lives, and their families and loved ones remaining, I've never been able to figure out how the final resting places of some of the victims happened. Gianna and one of her teammates came to rest northwest of the wreckage, almost parallel to each other, but some distance apart. Kobe came to rest almost immediately outside of the fuselage, as well as another female adult few ft north of him, while two passengers, one of the young players and the defense coach remained trapped inside. The father who was the baseball coach came to rest almost at a 90 degree angle left of the fuselage, but several feet away, then the pilot, still strapped in his seat maybe 80 degrees to the right of the fuselage several feet away up a slight embankment.
Previous reenactments around the time of the accident, accounting for the witness view of the underside of the helo, positioned the helo upside down, as opposed to this scenario of a high bank position on its left side at impact.
If so, I think the girls must have been ejected from the craft prior to impact.
I am not a pilot, nor engineer; however, I do have 30 years' of experience of taking the testimonies of experts and others in the reconstruction of accidents involving different modes of transportation. The pilo comment referenced in the video of the possibility of altering somehow the controls when he leaned left is sound. It happens more often than you think. The operator drops something in a car, reaches down to pick it up, unintentionally putting pressure on the gas pedal, or rudder of a plane. It's speculation that may have been an associated cause of the accident with John Denver; when he reached behind him to try to switch gas tanks, he put pressure on his right foot.
Sadly, in both of these cases, neither pilot or aircraft should have been in the air thos horrible days, and not because they are celebrities. John's license was revoked, and flying conditions using only vfr were unsafe, which was the only condition this helo was certified to operate.
Well said about inadvertent control inputs. One of the most important sj=kills a pilot should learn is lightness on the controls, especially in rough air and low/zero visibility.
This was one of the most foggiest days ever. I woke up that morning and notice right away how Thick that fog was..it was really bad that Sunday morning...and to think people would get on a helicopter in this mess 'was pure unbelievable.
this was like being despaired for a peace of crack or something.
Helicopters have instruments please tell em what indicators you need to know your X Y Z position, cause it seems like you don’t know. There is an instrument that tells you your altitude. Instrument called GPS that shows you your position. You can fly blind. That’s what the instruments are for.
Imagine if there was no fog that day
The more I think about how it happened, the more heartache I get about the whole thing. So tragic
It was his time to go onto another life and experience his next love.. And now his life had fulfil his dreams and goals, it was already done. Link this to his goodbye basketball letter. he knew his journey and life goal was over, he's somewhere again giving his all for the next goal he has. GO KOBE!❤
I still don’t understand how if a helicopter can literally hover in place at 0mph, why was he flying so fast at 184mph in FOG!!?? It’s not an airplane that has to maintain super high speeds.
Makes you wonder. He spent 15 mins hovering not too long before this so I wonder if frustration, fear and rushing all came into play
Hovering is not as easy as non-pilots think it is. You *need* visual references to be able to hover. NO pilot can hover in fog with no visibility.
You are right that 160 mph was too fast for that area and those conditions.
This is what I've been told by helicopter pilots. Hovering/flying very slow is EXTREMELY difficult to impossible without visibility.
@@frankiey9943 Not hovering, circling.
It's very hard to hover in fog. Not being able to see the horizon or ground makes it very difficult.
Jarrett Baker I think this chopper wasn’t capable to hover it had to maintain a forward motion,it can only hover on take off while it’s going up but once it’s moving forward it can’t hover for long,choppers with wheels usually can’t hover
Dude broke it down for real. Thanks for your research
EXCELLENT JOB,Steven Condas! very clear to me it was pilot error,due to SPATIAL DISORIENTATION.R.I.P to ALL 9 aboard. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
That is a reasonable hypothesis!
Jesus. Basically the pilot couldn't see a single thing and his perception got all mixed up thinking he's going one direction, but was going all the way down to the ground
Yes. That is even clearer in my follow on video: ruclips.net/video/M_Dpm144KXo/видео.html
@@stevencondas2281 great work. Thank you
This hurts my heart just to even see this happening smdh R.I.P TO THEM ALL😭😭
Thank you for making this wonderful video representation for us all to see. Such useful information and it has explained it better to me then any news outlet could! 😊❤️👏🏼
So nice of you
If quarantine happened a month before his death this could have all be avoided
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@Omnibad u still think its from a bat🤣
That don’t even make sense
@@captainjj6408 yes it does
& how would you know he still wouldn’t have flown that same exact day & time? 🤔
That morning was incredibly cloudy. I’m surprised they let them take off.
MAY THEY ALL REST IN PEACE!
Well done. Helps to bring clarification as to what may have happened in this very tragic incident.
Now it comes out that the pilot had a reprimand in 2015 from the FAA for flying into airspace with reduced visibility Wow sounds familiar
Yeah, and he didn't learn anything from it!
I flew single engine as a VFR- only pilot for 22 years. The cause of this tragic accident was pretty clear from early on. A classic case of what we call “VFR into IMC” and the spatial disorientation it caused the pilot so that he lost control. Truly, truly, sad….
Your conclusion is substantiated in my follow-on video with complete ATC recordings: ruclips.net/video/M_Dpm144KXo/видео.html
What’s the correct thing to do in this situation where you suddenly lose all visibility in proximity to terrain? Would there have been enough time to stop and hover?
Very good work technically. So sad. Just 100 more feet. 😢
-6 feet now.
Mason Montague stfu
I shouldnt be laughing
@@abrahamrivera6298 why
John Adams cuz he ain’t funny
You should present this to V’s lawyers bro. This is very accurate.
Rhythm Earth yes she need this 👍👍 It was pilots fault
Erich Von Manstein yes it was his fault the pilots fault you don’t put people and children on helicopter in that weather he should of said MO
Gianna2 Bella maybe he did, what if Kobe told him to fly regaurdless of the conditions?
Erich Von Manstein Lol it’s pilot responsibility to make sure it’s safe period it’s not the passengers. I worked airlines the pilot runs the show period 🔥🔥
100,000 Subscribers With No Videos Challenge right that could of happened but it’s pilots job period not safe you don’t go - passengers don’t tell pilot ///
If this is the case.. the pilot knew impact was ahead and the passengers never knew impact was ahead.
Hello. Could you please elaborate on your position? I'm curious to understand.
Not at all. Pilot probably had spatial disorientation and was also terrified because he couldn’t get hold of the tower and had no idea where he was.
Amazing work reconstructing the crash - very terrifying
Insane just how unexpectedly and suddenly this can happen.
That second before the crash though. I felt my heart dropping.
Still heartbroken over this shit man long live one of the greatest of alltime