Anime Vs. Content: Why Good Anime is REALLY HARD To Make

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    0:17 - Shirobako
    0:52 - Toshiyuki Inoue sakuga (Millennium Actress, Dennou Coil, Paprika, Ghost in the Shell, Wolf Children, Akira, Tokyo Godfathers, Evangelion Rebuild, Uma Musume, Uchoten Kazoku, A Letter to Momo, Steamboy, and some stuff I don't even recognize)
    2:17 - Jujutsu Kaisen
    2:50 - • Interviewing Jujutsu K...
    5:48 - Inside Toei studio
    5:58 - Inside Sunrise studio
    6:01 - Hayao Miyazaki's Starting Point
    7:00 - My Neighbor Totoro
    7:28 - Inside Sunrise studio
    7:50 - Spirited Away
    8:24 - C: the Money of Soul and Possibility Control
    9:03 - Carole & Tuesday
    9:50 - Eri-chan's Home Workout (NSFW)
    10:15 - Robert Rodriguez's 10-Minute Film School
    10:26 - Yasuji Mori sakuga (Kappa Kawataro, Koneko no Rakugaki, Alakazam the Great)
    10:51 - Shirobako
    10:56 - Chou Futsuu Ken Chiba Densetsu
    11:03 - Megazone 23
    11:14 - M.D. Geist
    11:17 - Dallos
    11:25 - Buta no Liver wa Kenetsu Shiro
    11:37 - Bokura no Ameiro Protocol
    11:59 - Animation Runner Kuromi
    Music from Jujutsu Kaisen season 2

Комментарии • 76

  • @ps3wizard45
    @ps3wizard45 5 месяцев назад +52

    I know it sounds hyperbolic but animation and the fact that it can be made fast enough to be a commoditiy is nothing short of miraculous

    • @acethemain7776
      @acethemain7776 5 месяцев назад +9

      at the cost of animator's lives

  • @peterchui1964
    @peterchui1964 5 месяцев назад +35

    I worked in some fine-dining restaurants so I feel very deeply on the topic. The amount of talent, energy, manpower, self-sacrifice involved in the kitchen is almost incomprehensible. Some of us work 15+ hours, occasionally with injuries, cuts, burns while barely having time to eat and cook for ourselves.
    We go to stupid lengths to making the best possible food. The work can consist of spending hours to make a small garnish in one dish. I shit you not sometimes we spend hours chopping vegetables very fine. Some restaurants have more chefs than customers because the workload is so insane.
    This goes way beyond running a business and keeping people at their jobs. Meanwhile we could much more easily make superb sandwiches and generate way more revenue.

  • @Rage_WinterchiIl
    @Rage_WinterchiIl 5 месяцев назад +12

    10:30 reminds me of something I read in an art book for an anime, where they decided to have one character's weapons be missiles because they had someone who was really good at drawing and animating missiles.

  • @LimeyLassen
    @LimeyLassen 5 месяцев назад +49

    I love how webnovel adaptations have been a thing for over a decade and we are still as a culture struggling to grasp how or why they exist

  • @ConvincingPeople
    @ConvincingPeople 5 месяцев назад +28

    One minor point of contention, as I otherwise entirely agree with this video: I think that assuming the continued existence of the material infrastructure which makes it physically possible to exist in any capacity, I think that regardless of whether a profit motive exists to finance it, labour-intensive group art would continue to be created. There's a bit in the anarchist polemicist Bob Black's 1985 essay "The Abolition of Work" where he talks about the difference between being forced to labour for survival and simply doing things which may be difficult but are personally fulfilling, with the argument being that in the absence of the demand that one labour or else not be allowed to live, doing things for their own sake regardless of how much time or effort they demand so long as that time and effort is decided by the people doing those things becomes far more feasible. I feel like this is what people who advocate for universal basic income or retro-futuristic visions of socialism are often gesturing towards while often failing to see the forest for the trees: The problem is fundamental to how contemporary societies understand work as a concept.

  • @jmiquelmb
    @jmiquelmb 5 месяцев назад +15

    I think the problem about animation is that we've come to assume that it should be a free product, or one tied to a small subscription that isn't going to pay much to the studios anyway unless they got really massive. That's what killed any opportunity to make good mobile games, the free to play model. While in PC/consoles people are perfectly ok paying 60-70 bucks for a AAA game that lasts less than 30 hours and has no replay value (most Sony exclusives), nobody is going to accept paying 10 bucks for the new season of Chainsaw Man which is an extremely work intensive product (they'll be ok paying that for the Chainsaw Man movie though, which shows how irrational consumer preferences are). Tezuka was the god of manga but he had unexpected negative long lasting effects on the anime industry when creating the TV anime model. Back then it was the OVA with the physical medium but nowadays digital is king and the consumer is not willing to pay for bytes despite the fact that those bytes were far more expensive to produce that the 50 cent blu ray disc they got.
    On a semi related note, I just learned that you can buy old genga from shows like dragon ball or perfect blue and this is so cool, I wish this was a legitimate way to finance artists but this is probably going to the wallets of some other dude who didn't draw shit.

    • @WeWatchAnime1
      @WeWatchAnime1  5 месяцев назад +15

      Thank you for this comment which got me thinking so much, I might have to create a follow-up video to expand on what I'm going to say, but I think this problem goes a lot deeper and can't be blamed on the audience at all.
      Anime has ALWAYS BEEN FREE. It was just on TV, most people who watch a show never purchased it on blu-ray, it's always been "the law of the vital few" that keeps productions like these possible. 20% of the viewers will spend 80% of the money on a product. 80% who spend money on it are just buying the blu-ray, representing 20% of the profit of the product (VERY ROUGHLY SPEAKING) meanwhile, the 20% who buys the entire figure set, the insert songs on record, tickets to events, the source material in bulk, and so on and so forth--those are the people who make anime possible.
      The problem isn't anime being less paid-for to watch, it's the tremendous competition for the dollar of those super-fans. Every time a Love Live sells someone twenty-five goddamn girl toys, that's like 4 normal anime they just didn't bother buying statues for at all. Every time someone gets addicted to Genshin Impact or Honkai Star Rail, their anime budget evaporates. I think anime just hasn't figured out how to get people's money the way more predatory industries surrounding them have, and every attempt it makes is going to scare away the casual viewers that talk about these things enough to get anyone to know about them in the first place.

  • @KilljoyKoragar
    @KilljoyKoragar 5 месяцев назад +13

    I'd actually watched Shirobako last month after it sitting in my head for years based off your reccommendation.
    For the alogorithm quest, we ride

  • @ade1174
    @ade1174 5 месяцев назад +7

    I definitely feel fatigue from a lot of the lower budget crap that gets produced nowadays on the hopes of turning a profit, but because it seems like every manga and light novel gets adapted nowadays, we also get gems like Undead Girl Murder Farce that might not have been funded otherwise.

  • @Simp4Gwyn
    @Simp4Gwyn 5 месяцев назад +12

    At one point in the video you mentioned how artists are forced to stay in their lanes for the sake of maintaining a consistent revenue stream (I'm paraphrasing); and that you personally continue to make anime related videos because it is what your Patreon supporters and subscribers expect from you, and would leave if that were to change.
    I personally have been following you for long enough and value your view on the world and on life so much that I would pay to see you branch out into other mediums or whatever really. I admire the way you're able to link important topics of life and self actualization to pieces of media that I, for the most part, am already familiar with.
    I not only respect your opinions, but admire them. I am getting my life together because of you, and hope to someday have enough disposable income support you financially to continue making the content I love so much, for as long as your comfortable making it.
    Sorry this is long, but thank you.

    • @WeWatchAnime1
      @WeWatchAnime1  5 месяцев назад +7

      I've taken my writing on life and the world mostly to my Subtstack, since I can count on people who just love to read my writing to keep paying me there, so I hope you'll enjoy it!

  • @anainbed
    @anainbed 5 месяцев назад +4

    I think there are a lot of good analogies here to be drawn towards people working in music, lots of people in music do gig work teaching lessons weddings, random things that they don't really have that much passion for but pay the bills and allow them to upkeep their skill and form connections. In a similar manner a lot of musicians aren't very well paid. I think in both cases it's sort of this striking the balance of having to do some things that you're not massively passionate about but allow you to work on things that you do actually care about and you do really enjoy.

  • @untrustworthybagel
    @untrustworthybagel 5 месяцев назад +7

    There was so much cool animation in this video I got so distracted that I had to rewatch it to catch what you were saying lol

  • @venturelord32
    @venturelord32 5 месяцев назад +1

    The savvy studios and teams have realized that like every other art form, the content alone often isn't enough to pay the bills. Miyazaki (or I guess Toshio Suzuki, since he crafted the image) is a great example you've mentioned in the video, but other studios like Kyo-Ani, Trigger, and formerly Gainax (later Anno and his closest associates at Khara) are examples where the a sort of cult of personality has been constructed that allows them to perpetuate their collectives as artistic brands. They engage more directly with fans, run active social media, etc. Unfortunately not everyone who wants to animate wants to be a part of that kind of dynamic environment, but I think it's a viable way to balance profits and passion. Bonus points for guys like Imaishi who make crazy enough art that it really buys all his other friends at the studio a lot of creative liberty with what they want to do, I think its cool that people expect Trigger's brand to just be really cool/fun stuff and i dont see much backlash for them exploring different directions unlike youtube meta for example.

  • @jordandwiggins1026
    @jordandwiggins1026 5 месяцев назад +3

    Your “content” so to speak is living proof to me that the best work doesn’t always get the most attention. I really appreciate the perspective you give to the processes behind this medium and the questions you ask about what we as an audience or as an aspiring creator should be aware of when engaging with it. I do wonder what topics you would choose to focus on if you did have an unrestricted ability to make videos about whatever you wanted knowing it would guarantee engagement regardless of whether it was anime related or not. I feel like that’s something that has been on my mind a lot, as I feel I could make engaging video essays about a variety of things I’m very passionate about but outside of a very lucky few, most channels that try such a thing end up with no choice but to pick a lane that works and stay in it as long as possible. Right now for example I have a lot of anime I could talk about but I don’t know for sure if I would still be as interested in making such videos 10 years from now, or at least only making anime videos and not on other things I feel I could bring equally quality discussion to. And in general I’ve always struggled to keep up with whatever is currently the trendy things to talk about as I usually only get around to watching things after they have already been around for a while, but that isn’t really the best way to capitalize on a potential online audience.

    • @WeWatchAnime1
      @WeWatchAnime1  5 месяцев назад

      My advice: copy Nerdwriter. I would have if I hadn’t come before him.

  • @ATRO317
    @ATRO317 5 месяцев назад +8

    Awesome vid, hearing you talk makes me want to perform better and care more in my own creative pursuits. I also really vibe with the sentiment of “why did someone pay people to make this?” while simultaneously kind of enjoying a good dumpster fire. I’ll throw some money at you soon, this block of vids seems pretty excellent so far.

  • @lumoc.
    @lumoc. 5 месяцев назад +5

    Many artists are also motivated by the social validation that comes with "being an artist" (depending on the specific artistic discipline they work in). It's a way to elevate oneself socially if it's through literature, attracting romantic partners through music, for example, or achieving a mystique as a poet. However, being an animator carries little social prestige compared to other art forms, which makes the situation of these workers even more poignant.

  • @adventuresingamedevelopment
    @adventuresingamedevelopment 5 месяцев назад +7

    Missed your videos. Glad to see you're making more again.

  • @ade1174
    @ade1174 5 месяцев назад +4

    It's very fitting that you used clips from C Control when talking about money. That show definitely got me thinking more about the economy when I watched it even if a lot of details went over my head.

  • @thomasffrench3639
    @thomasffrench3639 5 месяцев назад +3

    I don’t think it’s the money that doesn’t make sense, but art itself. Most people don’t know what will and won’t resonate with but will try to pay for what they think will resonate with them. Maybe it’s just because I’m an accountant, but even though I love this stuff. If I look at it from a money perspective, sure people are definitely finding ways to pay animators less, but that’s because any business is a risky endeavor, none more so than creating media. This is because quality and commercial success are unfortunately completely different things. Which is pretty much why I wouldn’t want to work with any entertainment industry, I feel like it may ruin the things I love by seeing the bumpy reality of it. Anyways that’s my perspective, and I don’t really expect others to share it, I just though that I should say it, from a person who is not a creator or artist

  • @throwod2923
    @throwod2923 5 месяцев назад +1

    I really wish this channel was called Trixie the Golden Witch since I can remember that but not we watch anime but the logo looks great and the analysis videos have been great and I’ve been enjoying that a lot. I’m hoping we get to see more videos about your own thought processes as well that was one of my favorite parts about you as a creator before, doing some vlogging and self analysis I felt like was just so fun to hear from you specifically because your thought process is either similar to mine or I at least appreciate you describing your thought processes. Anyway cheers :)

    • @WeWatchAnime1
      @WeWatchAnime1  5 месяцев назад

      I thought about changing it, but I think I will have more guest presence in the future when I have a better home recording setup. I always put that name in the video tags so it should get you to my videos at least. Glad you’re enjoying the content!

  • @noampresnete8677
    @noampresnete8677 5 месяцев назад +4

    i feel like if this video was the first one of this new series maybe it would have a bigger chance to find an audience, i just hope you will find enougth support to continue making your work

    • @WeWatchAnime1
      @WeWatchAnime1  5 месяцев назад +3

      Why does it matter which one is first? Any of them has a shot to blow up at any time. Just a waiting game. Funnily enough this was the 22nd script and I only published it sooner because I didn’t have time to do a longer one.

    • @invoicequaint
      @invoicequaint 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@WeWatchAnime1because a good first impression keeps many coming back, just how you drop anime after 1 episode. I was personally not super into the first video you published, and have kept checking these out cause I've liked your writing for a long time, but I was ready to stop looking into these if I wasn't captivated at some point.
      This one was great and I agree it should've been the first one to come out. Lots of promise here.

    • @WeWatchAnime1
      @WeWatchAnime1  5 месяцев назад +2

      If this had been first and the first one was the second one, it would’ve made you think I only had one good script up my sleeve. Instead I started with one of the weakest to set the bar low so I could impress people more later. People like you who think this much about what you watch are a minority, and video success isn’t temporally connected. Trust the process.

    • @invoicequaint
      @invoicequaint 5 месяцев назад

      @@WeWatchAnime1 doesn't youtube prioritize recommending a video if it's a success within the audience first? I would assume you'd want to hit a home run first so the audience is sharing while the hype is up that you're back, especially with a great video. I haven't been getting these in my recommended and I'm subscribed. If the first one was the second you uploaded I wouldn't immediately lose interest either, in fact I might have been more eager to watch it after the first even if I didn't care for it as much, and would assume that this would be a hit or miss series for me. The difference here is that I would still be looking out for more after the first one and might have seen the second more favorably due to the promise of the first one rather than feeling disappointed from the start.
      This is also similar to anime, how they usually open up with the most well animated first episode and by episode 3 you can tell there's barely any movement. But you're right that RUclips works differently anyway, I'll trust the process considering that you've been doing this for so long. Just trying to share my observations in maybe being able to help in some way. And if not then whatever at least I got my thoughts out.
      I am curious as to why this wasn't your second upload though. Do you put a lot of thought into the order or does it not matter to you? The first and second seem semi-related to each other by title, so maybe that's why they were uploaded back to back? Just wondering.

    • @WeWatchAnime1
      @WeWatchAnime1  5 месяцев назад +1

      The first one was the literal first I wrote, and I kept it there because it best-represents the spirit with which I approached the whole of the series. I also thought it had decent odds of being a hit video just because the subject matter is inherently interesting to me, although as I discovered in making the video, there really aren't a ton of examples to actually talk about.
      Anime With Personality seemed to me like the most-obvious candidate for a successful video since it's basically just hyping up anime that are good and noteworthy, and it also felt like a good compliment to the previous video to make the general vibe of the series clear.
      My next video would've been Jujutsu Kaisen vs. Evangelion: Storytelling Spirals, because I saw the complaints that the first two videos were too "list-like" and not "analytical" enough, so I moved forward one of the most crackpot, unique, deep-tier storytelling analysis scripts up the pipeline--however, I had to go out of town a couple weekends ago and didn't have time to edit that (16-minute) video before the deadline, so I found the shortest script (this one) and front-loaded that instead.
      Honestly, I didn't like this script very much at first because I felt like I made a lot of unjustified claims; however, after I recorded audio for it, I started looking into the JJK animator crisis to see if I could find more detail, and realized I hadn't seen Yiman's interview yet, and finding the quotes in there which I used in the video sort-of justified its existence to me. In this sense, the video (as it is) couldn't even have existed before the week I actually edited it (I also had the idea to read the Miyazaki passage only because I had already broken up the video with a different audio source already and wanted to keep the flow in the video).
      In my opinion, all three of these videos are equally hits. If my channel was already successful, they would have no reason to get fewer views than anything else I was making (any of these would've had at least 100k in a day at my channel's peak), but RUclips's algorithm is a mysterious creature. If I could tell you what it takes to make a video pop off, I would never have a video that didn't pop off. This one seems like it has better odds than the first two, but I think it has more to do with feeling topical (using the JJK animator crisis) as compared to the last two videos where I mostly talked about very old anime.

  • @veikko3911
    @veikko3911 5 месяцев назад +2

    Almost everything said in this video could be applied to any other medium or profession. Reason why arts and the media industry are subject to more extreme capitalist dynamics is precisely because of the view that it is something "extra" even tough most things in modern society is just that.

  • @Soyuhhh
    @Soyuhhh 5 месяцев назад +2

    Looking at the viewpoint from a shareholder, a business needs to consistantly make a profit or else they won't want to fund projects. If you look at the USA, they stopped the majority of the production of 2D animation because how labor intensive it was and they weren't getting enough profits to continue compared to 3D. Now the USA focuses on a few but bigger budget 3D animation blockbusters. The USA businesses tends to focus on low volume but highly skilled and specialized products such as aerospace products. Now look at Japan, the product they're known for is automotive which is high volume. If you're looking at anime now, its trying to be high volume product to make a profit but lack enough skilled talent. The anime industry needs better ways to monitize itself and grow more on a global scale.

  • @Westile
    @Westile 5 месяцев назад +1

    Its been a few years since a vid of yours popped up for me.

  • @vic94pad
    @vic94pad 4 месяца назад +1

    love this type of content. have for years

  • @fraktaalimuoto
    @fraktaalimuoto 5 месяцев назад +2

    This is actually good and unique insight that I rarely hear.

  • @TheComiKen
    @TheComiKen 5 месяцев назад +1

    This voice takes me back!😃

  • @ps3wizard45
    @ps3wizard45 5 месяцев назад +3

    Hey trixie this video made me think do you think you could ever make a video on how directors stretch budgets in anime? I think itd be fun to disect good and bad examples of it. For every slide show anime with no budget theres anime studios/directors that disguise the slide show much better or uses the budget effectively.

    • @WeWatchAnime1
      @WeWatchAnime1  5 месяцев назад +5

      I think it’s just impossible to determine what is attributed to budget and not other constraints without honest behind-the-scenes looks we will never get

    • @ps3wizard45
      @ps3wizard45 5 месяцев назад +4

      @@WeWatchAnime1 Well without speculating on budgets Id like to see you discuss directing and story boarding techniques someday in one of these videos, I think itd make for a good topic : D

    • @WeWatchAnime1
      @WeWatchAnime1  5 месяцев назад +4

      That I would like to do! I did that Killer Cuts in Evangelion video once and always wanted to do more, but it takes a kind of strong relationship with a show to notice everything interesting it has going on.

    • @ps3wizard45
      @ps3wizard45 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@WeWatchAnime1 oh yeah thanks for reminding me of that video, I just saw eoe in theaters and was gonna revisit some of your old eva stuff actually.

    • @ps3wizard45
      @ps3wizard45 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@WeWatchAnime1 > it takes a kind of strong relationship with a show to notice everything interesting it has going on.
      yeah it really does, like 3rd of 4th rewatch is when you start to notice camera placements and such quirks

  • @anainbed
    @anainbed 5 месяцев назад +2

    I'd disagree that in an ideal world anime wouldn't exist. Art and stories have had value (less tangible than monetary or practical) for humans since prehistory, and I don't think it's purely a response to adversity. It would exist in a different form sure, but I think it would still exist.

  • @dudZ249
    @dudZ249 5 месяцев назад +1

    Hell yeah! New video!

  • @natsuno420
    @natsuno420 4 месяца назад +1

    Great video

  • @Kuudere-Kun
    @Kuudere-Kun 3 месяца назад +1

    The statement that Anime can only exist under Capitalism is to me so in conflict with everything else in the video. The fact that people are forced to Work to Earn their right to not Starve to Death is what gets in the way of people devoting as much time as they can to a Passion Project. Even the USSR the one Communist State caricatured as cold and mechanistic and what most American Communists insist is not what we're going to repeat had Art being made, George Lucas is famously quoted as talking about how so many Soviet Directors felt they had plenty of Artistic Freedom.
    4chan projects like Katawa Shoujo prove that Otaku Specifically can and will make Art independent of the Profit Motive. We just need Society to stop being built around it to get way more.

  • @briankovacevich8701
    @briankovacevich8701 5 месяцев назад +1

    This made me think of the recent Oscar Wilde episodes of the podcast "Cool People who did Cool Things". His personal views of Aestheticism and Libertarian Socialism created an attitude of "I don't make art because I want a revolution, I want a revolution because I love making art" that I think is really cool. Worth listening to if you haven't.

  • @huey_kind611
    @huey_kind611 5 месяцев назад +3

    wooo new trixie video🎉

  • @Alienrun
    @Alienrun 5 месяцев назад +1

    Can I get a link to the image at 7:20 ? Its cool that it even exists...as it seems pretty comprehensive to see how anime studios relate to each other.

    • @Alienrun
      @Alienrun 5 месяцев назад +1

      Nevermind I found it by just googling the url on the top right and scrolling down his blog for a bit! :D

  • @TheBellman
    @TheBellman 5 месяцев назад +1

    I see I am not the only one mining Starting Point for video ideas

  • @nightlydata2181
    @nightlydata2181 5 месяцев назад +2

    This is a very tough subject for a multitude of reasons that go outside even everythin mentioned here & as someone who emotionally invests in this medium too much & have done basically all my life(before I even knew wut anime was) I often find myself pretty to even deeply worried on how it could all turn out even wit such a huge boom globally as of late. I'll jus simplify to a couple of the questions u asked by the end. 1. It's a no brainer that those who make it R thy lifeblood & I'd never want them to stop or go away lest their own passion & the medium both creators & watchers adore go away(I mainly mean in regards to jp but it also regards outside as well). There'll prob always be older stuff but creation moves forward & is always on the cusp of some new breakthrough & anime is the 1 I C do this the most in the history of animation I'm aware of. 2. When it comes to the greater amount put out this is obv in response to the aforementioned boom & also shows bein held back from Covid as well. I don't really know where to stand on this cus of several reasons. More anime (even "mediocre" or "bad") means more options for everyone & the studio makes wut little more they can off those scraps from the committees. I do wish more of the talent rather bein split & regularly press for time on "wutever" stuff could allocate themselves to more singular/unified & more ambitious stuff wit more time(& pay frankly) but obv that isn't as feasible for too many reasons(It also makes it harder to keep up wit everythin lol). I can't complain too much partly cus I sit there & watch a good chunk of that "schlop" (like the pig isekai in ur vid lol, wasn't too "bad" imo if not incredibly bog standard, I had a decent time surprisingly). It's kinda like wit the great amount of "remakes" wit VGs for me. If it's "good" then cool, if not then "oh well" ig. It's not so much I have a dedicated feelin towards wantin it to all stop but more rather they simply ease up cus it's "too much" both for watchers & ofc the animators. If more studios were able to be like KyoAni or Trigger this convo would be plenty diff in a way I believe most of us imagine would be more "positive" but that's an assumption. I also wanna say this kinda reminds of a vid u made as "digibro" years ago on solutions for the industry at the time but I don't remember everythin nor the title so it's hard to go into specifics. As much as I understand, revere, & respect their adherence to tradition, there's a couple of things both the industry & japan as a whole could maybe stand to pull back on or rethink in some ways. At the very least they need higherups that don't take way too much advantage of it. I think that's all rn sry for the essay thx for readin if u did

  • @tomasjaramillogaviria1821
    @tomasjaramillogaviria1821 5 месяцев назад +3

    I believe this is not the first time I have heard you express surprise regarding the people who dedicate themselves to making mediocre content for a living. I'm one of those people, so I'm going to try to explain myself because I think it's pretty understandable if you hear our perspective. I don't claim to speak for everybody in this position, but I believe what I'm going to describe is fairly common among people who work in creative industries making "slop".
    I'm not particularly talented, driven, or disciplined, but I absolutely love making art. I'm using a super broad definition of art, you can also call it just creative endeavors. So, I could choose to dedicate my life to being some paper pusher at an office, maybe doing some crapy service job or any other thing that probably pays better than what I do, but bearly interests me. Or I can dedicate myself to work in a creative industry and create lots of stuff, even if I know is not great. In a capitalist society, most adults spend the majority of their time at work, so I choose to spend that time working and trying to improve at something that genuinely interests me, even if I'm not amazing at it, animation and film in my case. I'm not going to be Hideaki Anno, I've been working on commercial slop in a creative industry for 8 years and I do not see a path to greatness, but I get to work in something I at least find fun. And even tho I'm probably never going to blow anyone's mind with my art, I have seen myself improve a lot in these 8 years, and that is truly satisfying.
    Anyway, I wanted to share my perspective on this topic. I'm really happy you're making videos again Trixy, I've always loved your stuff. Hope you are doing well.

    • @WeWatchAnime1
      @WeWatchAnime1  5 месяцев назад

      Don't worry, I am also unapologetically creatively mid. My goal was only ever to make minimum wage as an independent creative, and after I crossed that threshold I never had a strong concept of where to go besides "try to make more money" (and when I did, I fucked it up pretty badly); so now I'm back to just trying to make it back to minimum wage lol.
      I'm not really shocked by people who are willing to make mid, I am more so shocked by people who are willing to pay for it (as in producers, mainly). I think I am able to sell just on sheer uniqueness of perspective--no one else writes like me or is as willing to incorporate their unique experiences into the writing (and has enough unique experiences) so I see my selling point, but I'm also just obscure enough that I don't think I'll ever be mainstream on the level of, like, Jujutsu Kaisen.

  • @YTmaxi
    @YTmaxi 5 месяцев назад +1

    This one is kind of hard for me to relate to.
    There is definitely too much content in the sense that even simply parsing what exists and what doesn't is already nontrivial effort. But anime is also doing relatively well compared to say games, of which something like a dozen appears daily, and the best one can hope for is maybe be an expert in one genre.
    Ultimately, the question at the end seems bogus to me. You create because you can't do otherwise. If you stop creating just because you are not sufficiently appreciated, then what was the point of even starting?
    The creative industry definitely warps this simple approach.

  • @Alchemist103
    @Alchemist103 5 месяцев назад +1

    Good video, but I'm not sure why the existence of animation relies on capitalism. Most of these artists do the work for next to nothing, meaning that, if they were paid nothing but their needs were met otherwise, they would likely be better off and would still continue to create the art. Removing the financial incentive would likely only benefit the industry as most of these "content" shows would cease to justify their own existence and only the really popular or interesting anime would get made.
    I think that the amount of anime being produced nowadays is reaching nearly unsustainable levels and the lack of respect (and pay) for talented creators is going to bite the industry in the long run. I've been a huge anime fan all my life but, over the past few years, it feels like western animations (Spiderverse, Puss in Boots, TMNT, Blue Eye Samurai) or Netflix co-productions (Cyberpunk, Scott Pilgrim) have caught up to or even surpassed most Japanese anime. I find myself struggling to become interested in most new series. Why would I force myself to watch TV anime when there are many better alternatives?
    It feels like the anime industry thinks it's a given that people will watch anime just because it's anime. People watch anime because it's good and it's different. If those things cease to be true, why would anyone watch?

  • @hiddenmusicisland2736
    @hiddenmusicisland2736 5 месяцев назад +1

    After seeing this video I have a few questions: What can we as fans of anime do to support the animators to get a rightful pay? Stream legally, Buy more blue-rays? More merch? Or should it all be boycotted? Also why dont more artists just set up patreons or gofundme to help them make money on the side? Is it a japanese pride thing?

  • @IlIlIIlIlIlIlIlIl
    @IlIlIIlIlIlIlIlIl 5 месяцев назад +1

    Just wait for ai anime

  • @noampresnete8677
    @noampresnete8677 5 месяцев назад +3

    I wouldn't say producers invest in the arts just for profit. At the end of the day art needs to to keep the lights on and a lot of cynical media was created for that purpose.
    But from interviews by artist about producers,even the "business first art later" typically care about movies. There much easier ways for people of their skills to make money in the business world, and they usually care about either the status/prestige of the arts and sometimes just want to allow artists to make good work, even if it means sacrificing the integrity of some works so "the good one's" could get made.The producers at the big studio's make shit movies willingly hoping they could make enough money to fund the artists they do like
    I know thats how it works in the movie industry i bet the median anime isn't that profitable either. I just wish i could say video game publishers have a soul.
    Maybe im totally wrong and just rumbling

    • @WeWatchAnime1
      @WeWatchAnime1  5 месяцев назад +3

      I didn't mean to imply that they do it *only* for profit, but simply that they are always hoping to make the most they can, and that profit is necessary to keep the machine going.

  • @sambaroglio1234
    @sambaroglio1234 5 месяцев назад +2

    Yep. We don't respect animators in america unless they're working on big mouth or boss baby and that's why the originality isn't there. The creativity is gone.
    Remake after remake. That's why people are turning to Japan for entertainment. Because Hollywood is basically a dead empty shell and now everybody knows it. .

    • @noampresnete8677
      @noampresnete8677 5 месяцев назад +5

      originality was always there, and there have always been insipred animation from the west with works like avatar, infinity train, bojak horseman and so on. because animators get payed better in the west (it's definetly not a bad thing), it's much harder to make the creative inspired vanity projects that you can see in anime like sonny boy but hardly in western animation. luckily films like the spiderverse movies are making a lot of money so i hope the recent trend of creatively inspired westarn animated films will continue. the west always had the same talent and passion you can find in japan, it's just harder to convince studios to make good shit. it's not that japan is even sagnificantly better than the west in that regard, i doubt something like Seiken Gakuin no Makentsukai had significantly more passion behind it than big mouth

    • @thomasffrench3639
      @thomasffrench3639 5 месяцев назад +2

      One thing I’ll say about this, where do you think all of your anime comes from? Because it’s sure not anime original for the most part

  • @Inspiration_Date
    @Inspiration_Date 5 месяцев назад +2

    It's not hard. Just find a manga and adapt it.

    • @WeWatchAnime1
      @WeWatchAnime1  5 месяцев назад +7

      Tell that to Berserk 2016

    • @PalaeoJoe
      @PalaeoJoe 5 месяцев назад +5

      The word "adapt" is doing a lot of work here
      Easier said than done, as they say

  • @prosecutorgodot519
    @prosecutorgodot519 5 месяцев назад +1

    Hey B, I think you roomed with Turkey Tom for a week? He's best buds with Destiny now, what a small world huh? Speaking of Destiny, I think he was looking to chat with an expert on anime, so maybe hit up his email, you could potentially build a bridge, get into some drama, gain some viewers.
    Anyway, peace, hope y'all are doing well.

    • @WeWatchAnime1
      @WeWatchAnime1  5 месяцев назад

      I have never met Turkey Tom, tho I did talk to him once. I'd for-sure be down to talk to Destiny about anime, though.

  • @lykaeon8082
    @lykaeon8082 5 месяцев назад +1

    Where do you find the image you used at 7:19? I can't seem to find it.

    • @WeWatchAnime1
      @WeWatchAnime1  5 месяцев назад +1

      aninomiyako.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/anime-industry-overview.png

    • @lykaeon8082
      @lykaeon8082 3 месяца назад

      @@WeWatchAnime1 Thanks!

  • @brendancoulter5761
    @brendancoulter5761 5 месяцев назад +1

    "In a just world anime wouldnt exist" Spoken like a true communist.