The Doctor and Missy Become Friends? | Eaters of Light | Doctor Who
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2018
- The Doctor lets Missy out the vault, can they become friends again?
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Taken from Doctor Who: Series 10 Episode 10 "The Eaters of Light"
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Missy is a rarity; she is a perfect character. Flawed in so many ways, quirky in all the rest. The best 'frenemy' the Doctor ever had. Ms. Gomez played her beautifully, full of vim and vigger, spirit, spunk and spite with just enough lunacy to make her just that much more interesting.
McKavian she’s full of spunk?
*vigor
but yes.
Knew who was in the vault as soon as she started playing 'pop goes the weasel'
perfectly said.
Maybe it would be a good idea to show scenes like this to Chibnall and Whittaker then? You know, how a woman can have both strengths and weaknesses and still be a really strong woman? But I fear it would be pearls to the swines.
Missy was the perfect Master. She was amazing.
Scifi Writer wrong, wrong, wrong in a way you don't realize.
Missy is the former Master. Missy is the ascended version of the dead former Master.
Called the new Black Guardian of time.
Because Rassilon activated an ascension device at the last split moment of the time Warner (with the Daleks) And as the frozen Gallifrey passed thru the void Rassilon and only everyone that was present at the Gallifreyan high council (closest to the ascention device) became fully ascended (the rest on Gallifrey became trapped in an half dead/ half ascended state) as the ascension device hasn't had time enough to full work out side it's closest proximity...and yeah the rest that are trapped in that half dead half ascended state are the Weeping Angel's in the Universe Gallifrey was transported into.
The universe timeliness born out of the former classic UT on June 26th 2010 and it's Big bang. Seen/talked about in episodes Big Bang & Doomsday (in end; 10th says goodbye to Rose scene)
Nooooo the master with David tennant was the best.
Indeed he was.
@Kenneth Nyström Where in the heck did you find that garbage? Mate, the end of time "ascension" plan was never carried out. The Master killed Rassilon after they were transported back to Gallifrey (it states how in the Missy book) and then The Day of the Doctor happened.
The weeping angels have nothing to do with those events. Yes, I'm aware of the dead time lord theory, but so far that isn't canon. They weren't even in the Time War
+Kenneth Nystrom Nothing you just said is even close to correct. Rassilon appears having regenerated in Hell Bent, which would have been impossible had he and the high council ascended. They failed in The End of Time.
I really LOVE the idea of Missy's redemption. The idea that without the constant pounding of those drums, she could (over hundreds or even thousands of years if necessary) become the person she COULD have been without them. Truly the idea that no one no matter how lost, no one is beyond saving is indeed as The Doctor puts it... "Hard to resist."
I forget, why didn't Missy hear the drums anymore?
(Also I agree, I loved that arc too)
Once Rassilon and the high council were sent back into the time lock (Along with The Master) they "fixed" her/him. Along with making it so he wasn't "leaking energy" anymore presumably they stopped broadcasting the drums, so from that point onward The Master/Missy no longer heard them.
Exactly. Seeing her go through that redemption arc, only to be cut short by her past incarnation, broke my hearts
kopitarrules: I think with the exception of a TV season with McGann as The Doctor, not having a season with Capaldi as The Doctor and Gomez as Missy as his companion will be the biggest what if missed opportunity in all of Doctor Who.
Unfortunately, it would be her death knell. The primary plot of the Doctor is that he is alone.
Hearing maddening drumbeat almost all of his life, of course he lost the ability to hear the music. I think that is the reason that now she bursts into tears: the Doctor shows her what was barred from her, and now she can embrace it. That is a catharctic experience, like a blind man seeing for the first time.
Well also that she's spent so many years without seeing that there was joy in life.
i never thought that until now... after the drums... imagine like those people that thanks to hearing devices can hear again or the daltonic people thanks to those glasses can see the true colours of their surroundings
This who thing is literally making me tear up. I've had a "maddening drumbeat" most of my life (in this case it was more like another voice in my head constantly screaming). It stopped not to long ago as I found the solution and got a diagnosis for what it was (sensory processing disorder, I was constantly being overloaded at all times), and I just feel so much better. The screaming stopped, I didn't even notice it at first, but once I really took note of how it stopped, I noticed how good I really felt.
A constant beating all of ones life may seem like something so insignificant, but just the short time I've been alive and experiencing it, I couldn't imagine having to live many many lifetimes of the constant beating.
I relate to Missy here so much, and the way its portrayed is spot on.
This is made even more important when you realize that Gallifreyan supposedly sounds like music.
@@polk-adragon6748 You mean sounds like instruments? Because Music could also just be words.
I'm not trying to clarify because I' being a jerk. I'm trying to clarify because I'm autistic and these kind of things really confuse me with the double meanings.
Doctor: "how are the engines?"
Missy: "better than you deserve, you are naughty!"
(Past)
Doctor: "it didn't make the noise.. the woosh wooosh woosh."
River: "it's not supposed to make that noise, YOU leave the breaks on."
Doctor: "yeah well it's a good noise."
The sound of hope.
LOL, so that whole time he kept traveling with a handbrake on?
@@Fiufsciak - nah, all TARDISs make that noise. So either all Time Lords are wrong, or River is wrong.
@@nightowl8477 Maybe TARDISes are the biggest trolls ever
@@nightowl8477 Moffat loved to smash continuity with his balls
"Well, team, who's going to help me hide his guitar?"
Bill's face when she mouths "Team" gets me every time! haha!
Now that is what Missy as a companion would be like. Able to do what every companion could do and more, plus the chaotic good that it'd bring.
imagine all of the banter of "where did you put my guitar???"
@@bananaeclipse3324ugh! I know, makes me wish we could see an alternate direction where everything didn't go to shit lol
The on-screen chemistry between Capaldi and Gomez is so amazing and unique, they're just both so talented! This series was fantastic in examining the relationship between The Doctor, and his oldest friend/enemy. Michelle Gomez was genuinely amazing as Missy, in my opinion she's the best actor to ever play the role of The Master, and she's definitely the incarnation where we got the most insight into the Master's emotions/backstory.
Props to Steven Moffat for this storyline of The Doctor trying to make Missy good, it's all worth the wait and suspense for the impeccable finale!
Exactly! If The Master returns in the Chris Chibnall era, I really hope this redemption storyline isn't forgotten, especially as this particular one took place over a whole season. It'll be interesting to see how Chibnall writes the character!
I agree. I was a big fan of Delgado and quite firmly believed no other incarnation could come close. I held that belief all the way through to the Missy incarnation.
Gomez has said she’s done as Missy with the exception being the audio dramas but I could she Chibnall bringing in a new Missy at some point
They grew up together that's why
Dylan C I hope to see a pre-Missy Master if the character ever returns. Let Missy’s perfect end be the worthy end of the Master.
Maybe give Alex McQueen a shot on TV finally? Or bring back Beevers? Or make a new post-Simm incarnation.
Just let Missy’s end be the Master’s end.
"I don't even know what I'm crying. I keep doing that now."
"Maybe you're trying to impress me."
"Yes. Probably some devious plan. That sounds about right."
My favorite string of dialogue from this scene.
The friendship of these 2 incarnations is wonderfully brilliant I wish we could have seen more of it!
Ace Creeper: I think with the exception of a tv season with McGann as The Doctor, not having a season with Capaldi as The Doctor and Gomez as Missy as his companion will be the biggest what if missed opportunity in all of Doctor Who.
Ace Creeper hai
Here's a mini episode (IDK if Missy already did this)
The Drums, The never-ending drums. The Quavers tingling in her and his ears.
The Sounds, The never-ending sounds. They beat high and low. The Drums. The Beats.
The Never-Ending Drums... The Drums, the sounds, the beats, the sounds, the repeat and repeat. The Chaos the mischief, the sounds, the beats, the repeat, the sounds, the beats...
The Drums, the never-ending drums struck in the Master's ears from the awakening and to her death. And for one last story, the Master's last story however not for her friend.
Missy closed her eyes for one last time, petals of pink glittered and scattered around her body until then at one last moment in time, time stops. The Petals stop. *Her heartbeat stops*
"There has been a timeline error. A Timeline error." cries the Testimony.
"I escaped? That's pretty cool and a tiny bit sexy"
"The Master."
"Correction! Missy I'd prefer to called as"
"The Mistress-"
"FINE, god, human technology really was as useless as I thought."
"-has not completed one thing last and needed or else all will not happen and a paradox will be formed."
"What. Have. I. NOT. Done. I'm supposed to be dead! And it's high time I should be."
"You must fufill one last act one Earth."
"Is it destroying you? I'd love it to be that."
The Testimony became Clara.
"Wait- wait why am I here?"
"Oh god, I thought you were dead."
"I'm not yet, I'm not supposed to be dead!"
"DEAD! I mean it *happened* ."
"It hasn't! I'm a time-travelling maniac still with an immortal viking! Why should I be dead?"
"And why aren't I?"
"And why isn't he?"
"Who he?"
"He who?"
"Yodel-ay-HEEE-WHOOOO."
"Not the Doctor, the Doctor isn't to die just yet."
"You think I don't know that?"
"Oh, I know. I know which one was the lie now."
"That's pretty cool and also, if time has stopped, should that TARDIS be De-Materialising still?"
They both turn around to the Master's TARDIS is fading, and then coming back. That TARDIS was moving. They both enter said TARDIS and find the man who should be dead.
Clara and Missy operate the TARDIS they get a time telegram from Ashildr.
"Oi! Why are you in the Master's compass we're supposed to spying on the Doctor and River Song on Darillium!"
"I don't know but it seems someone has come to end my timeline."
"You don't mean?"
"They're called the Testimony and I've been downloaded onto their systems. I never plann-"
"EXCUSE ME! I'm supposed to be the dead one here and the round potato just said I haven't done someting"
"Is that.. Missy?"
"Yes Immortal Viking Woman whom I don't know the name of."
"Me"
"Yes, you."
"No no, my name is Me."
"Let's get to the point: there is something Missy needs to do. The Testimony have downloaded my memories meaning... this is like a warning. This'll happen if you don't do this."
"I'm rather fine with it happening!"
"Wait a minute... did you say something Missy hasn't done?"
"Yes."
"I think I know what it is. Sending you co-ordinates."
Ashildr gave Clara co-ordinates to a helpline Wi-Fi store. Ashildr ends the telegram.
"Okay. Okay. We are in a Helpline store?"
"Yes... we are and I think there's something funny about this Wi-Fi store."
"Checking the signals... oh."
"What- what is it."
"I understand what it is and I think I should be leaving you. I'll give you the number."
Clara notes down a number and leaves putting the Master's TARDIS back where it originally was. Missy puts on a uniform and goes to a cashier. Beside her is the past of Ashildr.
"Hello, who would you be. New too?"
"Me?"
"Yes you."
"No no, I mean, your name is Me?"
"Yes? How did you know that?"
"You gave me co-ordinates to this place and it appears that I should be giving this number to a customer."
"Perhaps that customer"
Ashildr points a small woman.
"Hello ma-am, how may I make your service?"
"The Wi-fi isn't working and I was hoping I could have a helpline number."
"Here, use this one."
The Woman walks away.
Missy's eyes glitter as she turns to Ashildr. She realises who the woman was, who's number it was and the definition of "who".
"So erm, you know why I sent you here?"
"I very much do... I very... much do... oh my lord, Doctor."
"What about him?"
"The Doctor, the who."
"What, what?!"
"Doctor Who, he's been keeping it from me for all this time and it was... that?!"
"WHAT?!"
"His name."
Missy begins to laugh maniacally but as this moment occurred, the Testimony had teleport-ed Missy back to her appointed time and death...
Michelle Gomez is so perfect as the Missy/master, only she can appear infinitely dangerous, fragile and galactically beautiful in the same scene and say with an expression what most actors would struggle to say in a 1000 words.
Yep! All hail Michelle Gomez!
Imagine if we had one more season with Capaldi, and Missy as the companion.
Stop, it’s painful to imagine how we never got a masterpiece such as that.
A great thing about Doctor Who is that there's always room for more stories. They could write in between adventures for Missy and the Doctor and we could have another season, maybe even a whole spinoff series.
But what would they do? Maybe just a deeper look at years and years of morality and observance lessons where the Doctor is trying to teach Missy. If they'd do it right, it might even make the main story that much more heartbreaking.
I got FURIOUS when I saw Dawans version of the master. Not because it wasn't good. But because they IGNORED missy. She was recovering from the drums... This was such an amazing turn for the master. I would 100000000% have Missy flying around trying to be better than a return to the 2D villian.
Maybe that Master is before missy
@@mrmaclovin255 i hope davies does that. Simms was really amazing. Missy was, to steal the masters line, Spec-tak-you-lahh!!
There's hope. Boxset man Moffat didn't show the Simm --> Gomez regeneration, thus leaving it open for the Dawan master to be him doubling down after Simm, not wanting to become Missy.@@chrissyclark7836
So Missy apparently used forbidden technology in order to regenerate after being shot by the Simms incarnation. This regeneration, The Lumiat was the good regeneration, and she meddled with Missy to right the wrongs essentially. However, she was later killed by Missy, and this caused her to regenerate back into the Master that we saw during Jodie's era. Whether or not he was still good after the regeneration is up for debate but either the regeneration itself caused him to regress or the reveal of the Timeless Child did
I don't think they can ever redeem her, for the same reason as they won't ever have the Doctor suceed at wiping out the Daleks, but it has to be a proper arc, you can't just reset the character, with a silly excuse as "driven mad by the revelation" at that.
With Missy, it built on the previous arc (namely, the Simm Master sacrificing himself to take out Rassilon in End of Time), ovsly at first she's still evil & comes up with that super twisted idea of a "birthday gift", but at the same time she very genuinely wants to be on good terms with the Doctor again.
You can keep her a villain without just resetting her to cartoon evil, like she could conclude after being shot by her past self that being good just isn't who she is & she doesn't want to be trapped anywhere.
Or something. Just give me an actual arc!
Plus the Doctor had this big arc about emotional honesty in series 9 that noticeably stuck through the special with River and series 10, but then they just wrote 13 as super closed off for no apparent reason. The characters don't really experience or react to anything, they just got spectacle thrown at them.
Chibnall can't do characterization to save his life & really didn't get the dynamic between the two.
If he had, he'd probably kept Gomez at least for a few more episodes & had her act alongside Whittaker, because they're supposed to be *counterparts*.
0:46 Telling Bill to stop staring with her mouth open, subtle but effective.
Oh I didn't notice that! I love subtle physical acting
I love Peter's performance in this scene. He's not angry, he's not being quirky or awkward, he's just dead serious about it in a soothing way.
I am one who thoroughly enjoyed Missy altogether. Not just her as the master, but as a character in general. That's why I'm really holding on to hope that the Current Master came Before her. Otherwise all of her growth would have been for nothing.
The whole programs growth was for nothing with the current wasters running it.
But that’s what to expect with chibnall in charge of ruining the show. Also soz for the late reply
It's officially after Missy now
Honestly, even though they’ve made it ‘canon’ that the current master comes after Missy, I just refuse to believe it. I have my own belief that Missy’s version is actually the final version of the Master and that she actually dies properly in The Doctor Falls. It would make so much more sense this way. Especially with Simm’s Master deciding that he can’t bear the thought of his future standing with the Doctor. It’s suitably poetic and the current master doesn’t fit in with that at all in my opinion. The general consensus is that the current master has looked back into his time as Missy and regrets being that close to the Doctor again, but I hate that idea personally
I mean, think about it from the current Master's perspective, if he is after Missy. She tried being good. She tried being the Doctor's friend. She tried helping people! And it sucked. She was locked in the vault most of the time, she still couldn't get the Doctor to trust her, and she ultimately had to kill himself about it. And then he killed herself AGAIN, just to drive the point home. That by itself would be enough to drive anyone off of having a moral compass! Throw in the fact that his entire worldview was thrown on its head immediately after that, you have a recipe for an unstable disaster trying desperately to get some semblance of control over his life. In this case, by returning to what he knows how to do.
Idk, I think it makes sense.
This moment is so cathartic. No matter what The Master did, The Doctor always offered him/her forgiveness and his friendship only to have it spat back in his face, but he never gave up. I always thought that was such a beautiful sentiment of the series. Too often people just give up on one another when the going gets tough IRL, but The Doctor always held on to hope that one day he would find a way to reach his lost friend and pull him/her out of their madness no matter how deep he had to dig or how much it hurt or costed him.
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Sorry, just wiping the tears off my keyboard...
The Doctor did say in a previous incarnation,
"I will save you old friend...one day..."
@@jennas4907 wich one, i N E E D to know
In many way, it’s family. The only other time lord who understands him. They grew up together as kids. Went to the academy together. The doctor sees what could happen to himself given the wrong choices. And did in a way during the time war. Even when the Saxon master was dying and refused to regenerate, it destroyed 10.
@@akodaah13-e32 Sylvester McCoy I believe
"That's the trouble with hope...it's hard to resist."
3:30 And so are her eyes. God _damn._
Missy's redemption arc in series 10 was beautiful. I frickin adored Gomez's performance and how Moffat made the master a much more relatable character (not that he wasn't already). This is why I think the fact that the Master is back only 2 seasons later just to be childishly evil all over again with no hint at what came before is such an ass move on the writer's part.
Hit the nail on the head of why I have a problem with the newest version of the Master. The Master seems nothing like Missy. Carries nothing Missy has learned over. Is just used as a villain again. MIssy was so much more complex and interesting than that. Sad to see the character be reduced once more.
One theory is that he is the incarnation before missy
@jasimmathsandphysics According to some of the written material, there is a regeneration between Missy and the "spy" Master that was also good. Pre-redemption Missy forced the next regeneration, resulting in the evil "Spy" Master. I think finding out what the Timelords did to the Doctor and himself pushed him over the edge.
Chibnall's era is all the superficials with no depht. He can't do characterization to save his life.
I don't think it's cartoon evil that was the problem, but lack of depht.
Like, EoT and the series 3 finale had their weak points, but ppl cried at both apparent deaths of the Simm Master cause they really sold us the Doctor's attachment to him (if maybe woobified him too much).
& Moffat pretty much wrote the Master alot like they did in the 3rd Doctor / Delgado Master era, where the dynamic is that they have very different moral codes which puts them at odds, but at the same time they're genuinely friends & like each other on some level.
It also formed a continuous arc where after chosing to save the Doctor in EoT, the Master was genuinely interested in patching things up (in her own way)
That's totally absent from Chibnall. There's no arc. He made all these big changes that were not only thematically unfitting, he didn't really give them any proper weight.
"I'm bio-locked out of the controls"
*plays with the controls*
Hey, she's stimming, let her press the buttons, it's fun
You understand the universe, you grasp it, but you never learn to hear the music... great words that also apply to how some people see Doctor Who. Some people get the basics, grasp the concept, but they never truly see how clever, relatable and generally amazing this show really is and how powerful and down-to-Earth its messages really are. I really miss Peter...
Applies to a lot of us in life, how we deal with the day to day and we think we understand what's around us, but we never really take the time to feel the joy the world can bring
@@StillJustDreaming A person can have a strong technical grasp of a subject, but never learn to truly appreciate it.
Peter was so good :( :( :(
Missy is always going to be "My" Master.
She was an absolute monster. But so charming and funny. She truly embodied the idea of the "Anti-Doctor". And for just the briefest of moments, we believed that maybe there was something there that could be redeemed...
But her own nature, including her past incarnations, would never allow it.
The Master remained his own best saboteur.
I'd like to point out that this episode was written by Rona Munro, who had, 27 years earlier, wrote the 7th Doctor serial "Survival", making her the only Doctor Who writer to write for both the classic series and the revival series.
oh thank you for this nugget of info!
Love how Missy tells Bill to close her dropped jaw 0:48
Now this is the part where we ship it like FedEx.
XD
Dante Inferno I like to think of it as two halves of a whole, a matched set, rather than a romantic relationship.
The actors def seem to have some chemistry :o
I really wanted to believe Missy was turning good. This is the only variation on Doctor/Master where you could see friendship at the core. What's agonizing is that Missy 'died' without the Doctor ever knowing she was going to help him against the Cybermen.
My thing is this: What's it going to look like when Jodi-Doc meets The Master?
Matthew Stephens yes!!! Seething her go through that redemption with the Doctor never knowing waa heart wrenching
That depends. If Thirteen does meet the Master, will it be a pre or post-Missy incarnation? I like the idea that now we can have an evil pre-missy incarnation of the Master, and a “good” post-Missy one.
@@Reapzehz -We can't have a post-Missy Master as the Master died for good as Missy. The Master killed himself.-
@Herbert N -Well, now you know, I guess? The Master clearly specified that Missy wouldn't be able to regenerate afterwards, so we definitely won't get to see more of her unless the Doctor went back and somehow managed to save her, but that's unlikely. The only reason I can think of that might be good enough for the writers to do that would be if it was a very special episode, as an anniversary episode. But it's still very unlikely.-
This wouldn't be the first time the master "died for good without being able to regenerate" and still came back, or the second for that matter.
obsessed with the little “get your jaw off the floor” motion missy does towards bill at :50
Capaldi's hair
I was fully on board with this partnership. I loved it so much! It just clicked!!! Is that wrong?
Liam Catterson Nah mate not wrong at all. I loved the whole "Missy conflicted with helping or hurting the Doctor" set up. Wish there was more of it instead of one season. 😭
Yes... I wanted it to work out sooooo bad, especially with Missy. THEN SHE LEFT.
It's Doctor Who.. there's still a chance she can come back when they come up with a decent story and Michelle agrees. She is awesome though and would be great to have Missy meet the Doctor as a female too.
Since Missy would have had full memory of shooting herself in the back, presumably she would've taken some precaution.
She wouldn't have remembered, though. Remember earlier in the episode, she said she wasn't really sure how she ended up regenerating? In Day of the Doctor it was established that Eleven was the only version of the Doctor who would retain any real memory of what happened, so presumably the same is true of Missy.
That being said, I would not be remotely surprised if she _had_ taken precautions. After all, she rigged up a teleporter safety system in case she got shot by one of her own Cybermen in Death in Heaven. And it's not like the Master in any incarnation has ever needed an explanation for not dying when they should have...
12 and Missy were such a chaotic yet emotional duo. I wish they were together for at least another season. Hope we'll see them again
ALSO "DON'T MAKE ME GO SQUEAKY VOICED" WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT THAT 😂
Squeaky voiced Nardole is the best Nardole!
That step back was heartbreaking. Completely understandable and expected, but heartbreaking.
I really wish we'd gotten more of The 12th Doctor, Missy, Bill and Nardole travelling together. That's a a great TARDIS team that never really got the chance to shine.
me too, they had such a great dynamic
This season was amazing. 😭
Jason Starr No it wasn't. It was the weakest one since the 6th first season.
Kenneth Nyström Okay man that's your opinion. Have a good day.
Jason's right. Season 10 was refreshing, especially after two and a half seasons of Clara Who. I feel like, without Clara, Capaldi was able to really shine and take the spotlight. Plus the stories were great
Orange Domino Studios Thank you mate! 😄 I loved Clara though but yeah this season Capaldi was really able to shine bright and he was most wonderful this season! I don't hate on anything I love all Doctor Who. 💫
Agreed!
This partnership is the most phenominal - season 10 should have been solely this dynamic and arc - there was so much more to explore! It would have madeso much more sense for this to be the focus after Clara - Missy's whole point of "the friend inside the enemy, the enemy inside the friend" - perfect evolution.
This is the best relationship in Nuwho. The Doctor and Missy. Im calling it.
RenegadeTimelord: I feel with the exception of a tv season with McGann as The Doctor, not having a season with Capaldi as The Doctor and Gomez as Missy as his companion will be the biggest what if missed opportunity in all of Doctor Who.
Can you imagine finally being able to reform your childhood friend after so long of being enemies; I loved missy and the master I miss them dearly :((
It never ceases to amaze me that these 4 minutes are so much better, better written, better acted, than anything, and I mean anything, produced during Jodie W's tenure.
And that's the thing, isn't it? Fans get hated for disliking Whittaker as the Doctor -- "You just can't stand that the Doctor's a woman, nyehhh!" No, that's not it. Ms Gomez did a _fantastic_ turn as the Master/Missy, so the swap in sex isn't the issue at all. It's down to Chibnall's hamfisted political preaching through the character, and Whittaker's lack of investment in bringing the character to life. By God, I'd rather have seen Michelle Gomez take the role of the Doctor. We know from 12's taking a face he'd seen as 10 that he will sometimes regenerate into the form of someone he's seen before -- why not take Missy's form? Now _there_ would have been a mind-melter! (And a better actress in the role, as a bonus.)
@@JohnCastleSmokeless bull.
JW is fantastic with the crappy material given but this constant bs from fans like you is why the show and her tenure will always get a bad rep.
no. simply because moffat was still at the helm.
I love The Doctor and Missy’s relationship in Series 10.
MattyMatthews _YT: I think with the exception of a tv season with McGann as The Doctor, not having a season with Capaldi as The Doctor and Gomez as Missy as his companion will be the greatest what if missed opportunity in all of Doctor Who.
Those four in this scene are the best four that could have been. Love Missy. She is just amazing as The Master. Miss Peter..but what great memories to look back on.
cheekyoziechick: I feel with the exception of a tv season with McGann as The Doctor, not having a season with Capaldi as The Doctor and Gomez as Missy as his companion will be the biggest what if missed opportunity in all of Doctor Who!
Ironic of the Doctor to tell her she couldn't hear the music when she spent her whole life with an unending drumbeat in her head lmao
Maybe that's why she can hear the music....tinnitus is a horrendous thing
My heart breaks at 3:14. All the Master has had for millennia has been the neverending drums. Driving him away from his friend, from the possibility of a life with the Doctor. They betrayed the Doctor over and over again. But now that they're gone, she doesn't know what to do. She's lost, and without purpose, so she returns to the one constant in her life. You can see, for the breifest of moments, that she's just Koschei again, and he's just Theta Sigma. But the Doctor has been betrayed too many times. He can't accept that his old friend has returned to him.
And they threw this gorgeous character development away in favour of Sacha Dahwan acting "cRaZy!"
I really have what Chibail did to the master. Moffat basically gave him a well-developed character and Chibnail just went: "I don't care, the master is a stereotypical villain again"
these two deserved more screen time. they are fire together.
"That's the trouble with hope; it's hard to resist."
Wow, only just realised
The master complained about “the never ending drums” “the noise, the noise doctor, it hurts!”
Then in this episode at the end Where doctor says you could never HEAR the music... she is listening to what at the end?!
NEVER ENDING DRUMS
Maybe that's why she can't hear the music. Too much noise inside their head...
What I notice is that you only hear the drums outside when the kid is walking around the stones, but not when we see missy.
Except the drums disappeared when the link was broken back in season fours final. It only makes sense cause there'd be no use for them anymore because it was a direct link to Gallifrey that came full circle. What I think is happening here, is that she's finally hearing the music and that's her reaction
Master/Missy learns of music and then decides to make an elaborate plan around the Rasputin song.
I think I finally understand why the Doctor always gave the Master so many chances, it was because he was hoping something like this moment would happen, but all the past incarnations were so stubborn and didn't really think about the Doctors words, but they got through to Missy in a way, all it took was lots and lots of patience and regeneration on the Master's part, not to mention lots of hope
Series 10 really was the best, wasn't it? Peak of New Who for me. I wish it had been more popular when it was airing. I hope in years to come, the fandom remembers this series as one of, if not the best.
I haven't seen enough of Season 10 to judge it as a whole - although David Bradley's great as the First Doctor - but I believe that Moffat's era in general is going to age very well. It's the last great era of Doctor Who. The only major criticisms I have are that giving River Song the ability to regenerate was outright stupid (and ultimately pointless because Moffat could have just had her grow into Alex Kingston without throwing in the Time Lords' most powerful ability) and Peter Capaldi's Season 8 Doctor was better suited to the Time War. I kind of wish they'd swapped Capaldi with John Hurt because Hurt nailed the Doctor better in one episode than Capaldi did in his entire first season. He was better in Season 9, much more in line with a Doctor who isn't fighting on the front lines, but judging by his Season 8 portrayal, I can easily see him blasting Daleks left, right and centre. Meanwhile, Hurt captured the world weary traveller who had witnessed war but was no longer fighting, which could have backfired spectacularly since Day of the Doctor took place in the Time War but it worked because Hurt's Doctor was at the very end of his life.
As much as I liked watching the new version of the Master prance around 13, I kinda wish he were a pre-Missy version. Otherwise it just feels like they threw away everything they did with Missy. Which I guess could really become the tragedy of the Master, but if Missy were to really die at the end of “The Doctor Falls,” then it’d be a perfect way to end the character.
One of the most powerful scenes!It's so sad though that it didn't last...
Mike Paz: I think that with the exception of a tv season with McGann as The Doctor, not having a season with Capaldi as The Doctor and Gomez as Missy as his companion will be the biggest what if missed opportunity in all of Doctor Who.
The closest they ever got to being Theta and Koschei again
shanoodleskidoodle I mean we always have fanfiction.
I really hope that the next master and Jodie's doctor can become friends. It'd be amazing to see the doctor and master save the universe together
Erm... Missy gets killed by the Master in the last episode of season 10.
the master's died tons of times. in the classics, the master died after almost every encounter with the doctor but he still managed to come back. plus, the master's one of the shows most iconic villains so i dont think they'll just kill him off like that.
I have a feeling John simm won't regenerate into Missy it'll be someone else before her or Missy will somehow survive and regenerate and the new incarnation will have amnesia and then try kill her or there will be a romance
same.
exactly. you never predict what's gonna happen in doctor who.
One of my favourite moments from series 10. The first half alone, where the Doctor and the Master converse around Nardole and Bill, is a fascinating glimpse into their relationship. (And while Missy states she's biolocked out of the controls, I don't believe for one minute she doesn't backseat drive and critique the Doctor's piloting.)
And then the second half! The way they're both scared this might actually be change for good between them but while Missy is ready to embrace that, the Doctor still thinks it's a foolish hope.
What kills me about Missy's story is that 12 never knew that she didn't betray him, that she died alone and then all that progress was just....erased... I would have loved to see some kind of continuation of it.
Are we gonna just skip over the fact that Nardole's threat is "Don't make me go squeaky-voiced"?
This moment was so powerful. The Doctor / Missy relationship is one of the most meaningful and memorable this show has given us.
I'd have paid real money to see a season of 12, Missy, and River Song. 60% of the episode could be various ways that Missy and River try to use where ever they land to try to kill the other and make it look like an accident or the doings of where and when they are, while the Doctor is stuck in the middle. All. The. Time.
That symphony at 3:36 is amazing, even if it is short...
i appreciate the celtic emphasis on teaching corresponding angle rules in maths 1:53
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In all the time they knew each other, The Master has wanted The Doctor to be like them. Until Missy. She may have started like the rest, but She was the only one who was willing to become like The Doctor, all for the sake of becoming his friend again.
God Capaldi and Gomez were great.
I cannot express how much I hope Dhawan's Master comes before Missy. The character development here is stunning, so well written. The way the Master is now feels like all of this has been thrown in the bin and that is a real shame. It proves what a bad writer Chibnall truly is
I refuse to acknowledge anything that's involved in Chibnall's run these days.
To be fair, Moffat threw out all the development the Saxon Master had under RTD. Both Moffat and Chibnail are guilty of wrecking what was previously set up.
If Missy was pre-Spymaster then she knew about the Timeless Child and the second destruction of Gallifrey which I just think is kind of weird
@@HOTD108_ Did he though? Cause I thought that Missy clumsily trying to rekindle their friendship (of course at first in evil, missing-the-point ways like "here's an army"... but notice that she also placed that advert in 'deep breath') directly followed from the Saxon Master sacrificing himself in End Of Time.
Plus, the Saxon Master chose death that one time cause he didn't want to be trapped & have the Doctor 'keep him', so it figures that when he sees his future self seriously considering that, he'd shoot her.
He had maybe come a step in the direction of winding up where Missy did, but he wasn't all the way there, tragically. They couldn't escape their past... literally. I thought that was pretty deep. "the light that genuinely wanted to shine couldn't conquer the depht of her personal darkness", to quote Elfen Lied.
Chibnall didn't even TRY to do an arc or acknowledge that there was one previously, it's just back to cartoon villain for no reason.
he is so, so bad.
But they can't retcon it completely without being disrespectful to the actors or being seen as petty.
I'm even saltier since I heard that rumor that Peter wanted to stay on a bit & wasn't allowed.
Missy's face always make me think of a cat for some reason. I think it's the eyes. She's always got that "How can you serve me today?" look... just like my cat.
God chibnall really had to ruin everything didnt he.
We got this perfect, brilliant depiction of missy/the master. And then they die, in one of the best scenes, alone in the woods, taken out by themselves.
Then chibnall undid all that in his fan fiction.
Missy is my favorite incarnation of the Master. She's so brilliant, complicated and conflicted. Her slow path to redemption is a piece of art!
And season 12 just chucks all of that good Missy development out the friggin airlock.
Imagine retconning thi-
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One of the most beautifully acted and produced scenes this series, its been almost a year and it never fails to stun me. I hope they continue to make moments of this calibre in Series 11, I will thoroughly enjoy rekindling my love for the show again in a different light.
Peter and Michelle's chemistry was untouchable here and throughout the series. "That's the trouble with hope. It's hard to resist." Hits so hard.
" See ? That's what i'm trying to teach you, Missy. You understand the universe. You see it, you grasp it... but you never learn to hear the music."
Thanks to Chibnall we won't get to see this grown up version of Master after the drums anymore.
Michelle Gomez slayed this entire role so hard, I wish missy got her happy ending by standing with the doctor
This scene was awesome I really enjoyed the Missy turning good story line, At first I thought she was faking it but in the finale we saw that she was actually turning good and that she really did want to stand with The Doctor and be his friend again.
It was a fairly mediocre episode, but this scene just hit it out of the park. Superb writing, unbeatable performances. I'm going to miss both of them.
Missy is so flipping relatable it’s sometimes hard to articulate feelings
What I find funny about this is how - basically - THIS is what TEN wanted to do with the Simm's Master... and you can understand - seeing what Missy goes through - WHY the Simm's Master would be so abjectly TERRIFIED of that... ... ... why the thought of the Doctor HELPING him or - worse - FORGIVING him - would be more than he can stand... because it would mean calling everything he's ever known - everything he's ever worked for - into question.
A COMPLETE identity crisis.
It would mean all those things he'd ever done - all those lives he'd ever taken - all those 'little people' he'd burned and just to see the 'pretty shapes the smoke made' - meant NOTHING because, at the end of the day, the Doctor was right... he wasn't a 'Master' - he wasn't a 'Ruler' - he was just... ... ... ... ... sick.
Not just an identity crisis - but a MASSIVE blow to a being who's ego was PRACTICALLY all his people deigned to leave him after he fled Gallifrey.
And you can ALSO understand why he kills Missy - kills himself - because the Master can NEVER be helped. The Master can NEVER be forgiven... whatever it costs. Whatever it takes. The Doctor CAN NEVER be right.
Michelle Gomez is the only person who could pull off a Time Lord gender swap.
Uhhh... Jodie Whittaker? She’s tremendous at being the Doctor
Uhhh.........No, Jodie isn't. Michelle Gomez would out act her off the set! Michelle is a member of the RSC and accomplished actress , where Jodie is just average.
"You'll never learn to hear the music" kind of a harsh thing to say to someone who was driven mad by drums in their head lol
Missy makes me wonder if John simm regenerated into sacha's incarnation first then missy after
Nope, it's canon that missy regenerated into Sacha Dhawans master (doctor who annual 2021/big finish audio "the lumiat")
:)
of all the speeches from Doctor who I ever heard, the one that hits me the most is just the short one about Hope.
I miss missy☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️
I Missy her to
*rimshot*
"I'm as much a prisoner here as i am in the vault'
by which she meant not at all.
I'm so glad this clip has been released! 😊😄
I thought she was lying. But damn, I wish there was more to her
There’s a lot of history there that we just don’t know from their childhood. It’s so damn interesting but we’ll never know because the stories will never focus on the Doctor’s childhood probably ever again. We can only hope
I love the ending Missy had.
I would've been ecstatic to see her stand with the doctor as she planned to, but it's still amazing to see her finally decide to do good, and yet no one knows.
Like the Doctor said. Without witness, without reward.
How can 13’s master be so maniacal after this? So fast as well.
@@EternalPayne really? Ok I’ll look up a timeline
@@amanekabbaj Dhawans master came after an incarnation after Missy basically the laser screwdriver trick didn't work she regenerated into an incarnation called the Lumait but was forced to regenerate once again because of an incarnation of the Master into the one we know now and he just decided bugger being good I'm gonna be bad again
Is it weird that for about half a minute in the middle of this video I found myself shipping them? 3:00
my sister shipped Nardole and Missy; nothing can be more weird
I ship The Doctor And Missy (No hate pls)
A little bit ngl
MIssy's redemption arc was such a beautiful thing. It felt so real and believable and was executed perfectly. And though I love Sacha Dhawan's Master, it breaks my heart that we didn't get to see a redeemed Master onscreen
This scene works in the long run for how long these two have known each other and how we've seen them go from friends to enemies and the slow progression back to friends again...
That feeling right there...Hope...its so hard to resist but to have it is why I live. I will always have it even in my final hour.
I actually wish The Doctor and Missy kept traveling I like them together.
Me too, I'd love to see a spin off ✨
Missy and the Doctor's relationship in this series was great, but I can't help but feel as if Nardole and Bill just got in the way - would it have been better if Missy was the full time companion and the whole series was based on the Doctor trying to teach her the rights and wrongs of the universe?
this should have been the story of Season 10, maybe have set it on Gallifrey, have Bill actually be a Time Lord in training, that the Doctor sees as the brand new hope to lead Gallifrey, and the whole season is the Doctor helping Missy and the Time Lord Bill. would have shown the Doctor living on Gallifrey now that its back, and giving him a reason to go travelling again
I wish it had just been them to. The doctor learned soo much in this run. I think this is the closest we'll ever get to The Doctor and The Master traveling together
The Doctor living on Gallifrey for a time would have been fantastic. He finally has the oppertunity to be home again and he's fully imbrasing it.
I sooooo want Missy back for S15.
Her interactions with Ncuti will be gold.
The best tardis interior ever
The Doctor and The Master have always been best freinds. I thought that was common knowledge.
This scene. This interaction between Capaldi's Doctor and Gomez' Missy makes my eyes tear up every time. I am going to miss them so much.
It’s cool that when John Simms master lost, he said “so you’re just going to keep me?” But Lucy then shot him. I guess after a while the Doctor realised it’s the best thing for him to keep the master/missy and try and change her for the better.
2:00 Good to see my home town of Blaengarw on Doctor Who.
Please come and film again soon :)
Love,
Your biggest fan
"don't make me go squeaky-voiced" ah yes, most convincing Nardole...
I really loved this episode, this cast and this series. It was a real treat.
Thank you for posting this. I lost a friend, or a mentor. It hit me hard when I was betrayed and hurt, but seeing this character have hope. We all want to be better people, despite the world around us. We can be better. Thank you.