I've got a 2021 Rubicon 2.0T with the Mopar 2" lift running 35" BFG all-terrains. It's stock other than the lift and larger tires. The elevation where I live (something that can have a big impact on performance and fuel economy) is 4500 feet. Typical driving for me is a mix of city and hwy (about 50/50). I routinely get 20 mpg with my regular driving. Running at freeway speeds below 70 mph I will get 23 mpg. If I am on country highways where my speed is 50 - 60 mph I get 24 - 25 mpg. My dad has a 2018 Rubicon (stock) with the 3.6 V6. He's lucky to get 15 or 16 in mixed driving and 19 on the hwy. I don't regret my decision to purchase the 2.0 turbo I believe the biggest benefit to the turbo is that it doesn't lose power as elevation increases. I routinely travel in the mountains at elevations approaching 11,000 feet. I never lack for power to pass slower vehicles thanks to the turbo compensating for the loss in air density over a naturally aspirated engine.
I just got a 2022 wrangler 4dr with the Willy’s package, I4 turbo, and 8 speed transmission. It’s got more get up and go than I expected. I test drove a v6 with smaller tires and even though it had a bit more from a stop, the turbo I4 felt great with the bigger tires and lift. It’s my first wrangler and I love it.
Thats because it has more torque than the pentastar V6. AND if you get a BANKS deringer, all turbo lag is absolutely GONE and stupid quick off the line.
I have a 2020 Wrangler 4 door, 2.0L, with 245/75/R17, I regularly see 25 to 29 Mpg on highway. Around town its about 22 only because I live in Brooklyn and there are light every 10 feet. It woiuld be a bit better in more rural town setting., about 24 to 26.
The Extreme Recon has a 4.56 gear ratio numerically it's higher than the 4.10 but it's actually a lower gear. This means the driveshaft has to turn 4.56 times to make the wheel turn once. Compared to 4.10 turns
Great review. The Xtreme Recon is now offered with the I4 2.0T (later in 2022 year) also. Would be great to have you compare your first Xtreme Recon with the 3.6 eTourque vs. an Xtreme Recon with the i4 2.0T. Full disclosure, I have an XR 3.6 on order. 2.0T XR was not available when I ordered in December 2021.
Great video. I think if the V6 was on 33's, the difference would've been even closer. The lift and tires make a big difference. I am impressed with that I4 turbo, wasn't expecting that kind of performance out of it. Thanks for the comparison.
I just bought a 22 3.6 about three months ago, I thought I was buying a four cylinder but ended up with the six and I'm very pleased with it all in all. I've got the six speed manual and have routinely been getting 22 mpg on the highway only dipping down pulling a trailer. I've got plenty of power and was looking for decent mileage because most of my miles are highway. It seems to have all the power necessary on and off the road and is very responsive in every situation so far, three months into it. Thanks for the analysis compared to the turbo four.
Looks like I am late to the party but here I am! I own a 2022 Wrangler Rubicon JLU with the factory XTreme Recon package (35-in tires) with the V6 eTorque and the 850RE automatic transmission. I have added a 12K winch up front and a few extra embellishments. My son owns a 2018 Wrangler JLU with the Sport trim with the I4 Turbo and the same 850RE transmission. He has added a Mopar 2-inch lift kit and installed 33-inch AT tires. Both Jeeps have factory gearing. We recently took both Jeeps on a Jeep BoH Trail (Hole in the Rock, Utah) where for three days we covered exactly the same highway miles and off-road miles. We both put 5 gallons of carried gas into our Jeeps on the last day to head home. When we got to the nearest gas station roughly 94 miles away I had 0.4 gallons of gas in my tank and he had 3.25 gallons in his tank. I suppose his does get better gas mileage. This is a real world test.
So I will say I have owned the 2.0 turbo for the past two years. I have roughly 43k miles on it. The one thing that I will say the biggest difference is would be you must put midgrade or higher gas in the 2.0 turbo. So over time you may or may not spend more money with that price difference with gas the way that it is. That’s one thing to consider. Other than that I do have a JLU sport with 34 inch tires with a 3 1/2 inch lift. I average between 19 and 22 miles per gallon but I drive very conservatively (65mph) everywhere I go. Too many tickets in the past…..
Also, When you talk about fuel economy, there are two points of perspective. One being to put less pollution into the environment, type of economy. The other being saving money in your pocket, type of economy. I would venture to say that 99% of the guys talking about fuel autonomy on jeeps are talking about saving money. When you consider the cost of running 91 octane or higher in the turbo as opposed to 87 octane in the V6, there's absolutely no question which one gets better cost economy. Hands down V6. Cool video.
My wife ordered a '21 Wrangler Unlimited Sport Altitude. We wanted to get the V6 but at the time it was only offered with the Etorque which was a non-starter for me due to extra battery, complexity. For me, long term reliability is the main consideration (simpler and proven is better). Reluctantly got the vehicle with the 2l Turbo w/o Etorque. At that time the 2l Turbo had somewhat of a track record so we went with it. I must say that after 10k miles, I am extremely surprised by this engine. It gets shockingly good mileage - even better than the EPA estimates of 21/22/24. Very powerful, too. I also have a '21 JGC Trailhawk with the 3.6l V6. Love that car and engine also but the Wrangler surprisingly gets the same or better mileage (especially in the city) despite having the aerodynmics of a brick.
Love my 2.0. I averaged 20mpg including offroading on a 750 mile round trip to Windrock. So much of an improvement over my JKUR. I know the 8 speed helps a lot, but the extra torque is nice.
Call me crazy but I would probably get the 4 banger. We had a Pentastar in a JKU back in 2016. Not impressive but adequate. We also run a lot of the Pentastars at work. Almost all of them end up with valve train failures and excessive noise. Give me the lower cost up front slight torque advantage and potentially more miles per tank. Love the wrangler vids!🇺🇸💪
JK pentastar experience is completely different from the JL, mostly due to the 8speed. It’s an incredible difference. Not knocking the 4, but turbos have no business in an off roader for me.
Just traded in my 2016 Sahara with the 3.6 foot High Tide 2022 3.6. Even with the HT having 35’s then 3.6 has so much more power and acceleration than my 2016. It’s night and day
I have a Cherokee trailhawk with the 2.0 turbo and I tested it vs the v6 and feel the turbo 4 is far superior. I've had it 3 and a half years since mine is a 19 and I have 48000 miles on it with 0 issues to the engine ( knock on wood ) granted I live in Colorado and turbos are way better in the mtns but I feel that this has been a lot sportier feeling than if I had gotten the v6. I also wanna say I run bigger tires , and carry 600 ish pounds of camping gear at all times ( roof top tent , awning, sliders , rack etc ) and i don't regret my choice at all
Great content. I love the comparison between the two Jeeps. I think your comparison of the power of the 2.0T is emotionally biased against your experience of turbos of the past. I have a 2021 JL Rubicon 2.0 turbo on 2" lift, 37's beadlocks, and re-geared 4.88. I get great acceleration, but more importantly 4x4 wheeling is about low end torque. That's what you need offroad. There is no delay off the line with torque. Do your research on this turbo. It is not like engines of the past. You get the low end torque off the line.
Bro, bullshit it ain’t. I’m literally drivin a 2020 rental with the I-4, and it SUCKS off-road! All of a sudden the turbo spools and when you let off the gas, the built up boost is still tryna push you forwards. granted it a lot faster spooling than, oh, say, a Buick grand national? But turbo lag is still a thing bro. Physics > your opinion
I've had the 3.6 with 33" tires and 3.45 gears and now have the 2.0 turbo with 33" tires and the same 3.45 gears and the turbo is much faster and I get about 4 mpg better fuel economy. I think the 4.56 gears on the first jeep over the 4.10's on the second one pretty much equals things out even with the difference in tire size. Correct gearing for the tire size you run can make all the difference.
Thanks for the video!!! We are trying to decide between the 4cyl and 6cyl now and this was an excellent review. Was also really cool to see/recognize the area you're in. I grew up over in WV near Martinsburg and every summer we'd go to Cunningham Falls and the Catoctin Zoo. Spent a lot of time stomping around route 15, 77, 340, and 40.
Nice idea to compare the two, but you compared "apples to hand grenades" . Recon package has heavier tires and it's lifted. I4 is right at home for a stock Sport trims, especially two door, but it's known to get very thirsty under load - bigger tires, lift, towing, 5 people in the car - MPG drops below V6. I4 has a very narrow MPG utility band over V6 before it loses it completely. It's actually the reason why their 4xe jeep is a "fake electric vehicle" - after 20 miles the heavy battery just suffocates the tiny I4 with MPG below 18.
Thanks for the vid, JB! It looks like the 35's don't make that much difference, which is surprising to me. Coming from a sports car background, I'm a bit paranoid about unsprung weight, and 32.5's vs. 35's seems like a huge weight difference. On the engines, I get the appeal for both. I'm a tech-head through and through, but I get the appeal of simplicity, especially in an offroader. The guy that kept that CJ5 in service all these years is blessed and deservedly so. But I do love my 4xe with all its ridiculous torque and driveability.
I imagine the size of the tires are 33.0 and 34.5 most 35s are 34.5 and the 285/70 number is 33.0 depends on brand of tires to. I can’t compare having a jk 3.6 engine I just went from 34.1 tires to 33.0 tires and it’s a big difference. I would like to try these engines and the tire difference.
Granted I have a 2 door Rubicon but I average around 25mpg with the i4 turbo and to be honest I'm surprised at how much power the I4 has when accelerating. I never measure the acceleration it but it can keep up with traffic.
Dealer told me you should rev the 2.0 to 3k+ before launch. but the two engine are really close. difference are within 0.8 seconds with everything equal.
Good comparison but these are Jeeps so mpg is secondary. Offroad which is the better engine when rock crawling, technical trails? I would like for higher altitudes, e.g. CO, Utah, etc. the turbo would make more sense.
Also when you looked and said 16.4mpg with the turbo it kept climbing to 17.1 4 seconds later so it just kept going. Hard to get mpg numbers on short distances and only real way is to have same stretch road then get up to cruise speed and reset MPG calculator. That way both are at speed
I just traded in my 14 Silverado Z92 with the 35 BFG AT tires getting about 15mpg for a 20 wrangler rubicon recon with the 285 falcon MT tires and I’m getting roughly 18-20 mpg with the jeep. Def thinking about changing the MT tires for AT tires
Price point is huge, you can fuel the vehicle almost its whole life on the price savings along. The biggest this would be drivability and usable powerband.
The turbo 2.0 has become a revolutionary new concept among many car manufactures. Best gas mpg without a doubt for 87 octane. Mine gets 23 mpg driving over 70 mph city driving to work every day. I raced a V6 with equal tire size. I got the turbo jump on him, but after 3 car lengths he stayed with me.
great video, i just ordered the willys xtreme recon package with the 3.6 engine, the mileage doesn't look great but a lot better than my 2500 chevy 6.0 :) should be getting it around april.
I have the recon package, drove the turbo rubicon and I can add this: the turbo was much faster, but messy sounding. The v6 was consistently strong. The unlimited was bouncy and very much Jeep like if you will. The recon was more settled and stable. I'm getting 19 when I'm out of the throttle and 16 when I ha e fun. Happy trails
I have a 4xe, but I get the I4 sound. There's tons of belt noise there from the charger/generator. Some people hear "It sounds like a blower" and others hear, "It sounds like a power suck". And they're both right.
Outstanding video this is exactly what people need to see before they buy. I have ordered a V-6 with the extreme recon package just waiting for it to arrive.
My wife has the wrangler rubicon with the turbo four banger, we like it, it gets over 21 mpg usually. I drive the v6 gladiator, which i really like, even though getting more than 17 mpg on the average is unusual.
The 4cyl shifting at 5k.. the tach didn’t redline for another 1000. Maybe just not a gauge face calibrated to the engine but I would expect more rpm from a modern 4cyl.
Great video. You did a really nice job JB. I just purchased a Rubicon with the 2.0 Turbo and I am very surprised how responsive it is. I have only 600 miles so far, but I am happy so far.
The V6 tires were at 44 psi, but the recommended pressure is 37 psi. Were the 2L Turbo tires also over-inflated? By how much?
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Whats forgotten is that the turbo used to be coupled with the etorque system. That setup was much faster than the v6, which is why i think Jeep switched etorque away from the turbo to the 6.
What would be interesting is a test between the standard Rubicon with 33's and 4.10 gears vs. the one with 35's and 4.56 gears in a acceleration and mpg test.
The fact that the 2.0 Turbo was running 4.10 gears as opposed to the V6 with 4.56 gears.....and was just as fast. Better mileage, More TQ and lower RPM, better fuel economy, its about 2K less than the V6 and it doesnt run the E torque system....2.0 is very stout. However, my only issue with the 2.0 is that it sounds course, where the V6 sounds buttery smooth and refined.
J.B. those are nice. My ‘93 Chevy Silverado 1500 two wheel drive with 5.7L v-8 gets 19 mpg out on open road with A/C during the summer plus it’s paid for. I don’t think good mpg will help ease the pain of the monthly payments. That’s my thinking. Your talking about turbocharged motors, most drivers will put their foot in it constantly just for the feel, thus mpg will suffer. Keep’m coming 👍👍🙂🙂
@@JB_WhoWork no it’s before all of that nonsense. J.B. the truck is stock, bought it in 2000, previous owner put headers with glass pack muffler, I love the sound it’s music to my ears. Also the previous owner had a shift kit put in the tranny plus auxiliary trans cooler, it’s designed to shift later, when I punch it I get a Texas size smile on my face. We also have a ‘02 GMC Yukon XL with a 5.3L v-8 & ‘12 Ram 1500, prefer the ole Chevy
@@troutriver58 as someone who has had the ecodiesel rubicon for 30k miles and now 17 months, trust me the overheating is exaggerated by many. I have had mine get hot, but not enough to derate. Even then that was only with a loaded down M1102 trailer, on the HMMWV steel double beadlocks and kevlar 37's, that has a very large frontal area made of the military soft top pvc coated canvas thus turning it into a big sail. Even with the most non optimal trailer it still took local heat of 102° ambient and elevation of +5,000 ft to get it hot. It would only do it on climbs, and as soon as you get to the top of the hill it was at standard op temp in less than a minute. Dropping speed helps alot. I'm not at all saying it isn't an issue, because it for sure is. Something that Jeep engineers definetly should have addressed but their hands were kind of tied because space is VERY limited in the cooling stack. It is just that those who have had it happen tend to exaggerate the situation and what exactly caused it. For example, that same trailer was pulled from Atlanta to Montrose, CO with the top off so it had much less drag, in summer at 80 mph the whole way without overheating. It was only once I got out west, in the middle of July heat, and put the top on that it got hot in between Montrose, CO and Moab, UT. For reference the day it got hot, when we rolled into Moab it was 115° ambient temp.
Diesels are great or at least they were, but nowadays you have to add piss and worry about clogging the DPF. The motor itself is great just the pollution control stuff is usually the weak link.
@@vdub5818 I’ve got one also. Never technically overheated but has gone into derating mode three times. Twice on interstate. Driving at 40mph while traffic and 18-wheelers are passing you at high speed is no fun. My next jeep won’t be a diesel.
The 3.6 V6 Penastar E-torque Is 308 Horsepower,269 fpt plus 69 fpt available when needed from the E-torque,I Own 1 And Their Isnt Any Need For A V8 It Hauls Ass With The 3.6 V6 Penastar E-torque Engine.
Need longer term to be more accurate I have had both motors in jlu sports had standard tire on 18 with v6 got 17-18 my 22 t4 has 33in tire and I get 21-22 intown.
Nice video. From my experience of driving different cars, trucks and what not, those that drink gas like a crazy I notice that if you accelerate with full pedal to the speed you need to be at, then let go and pretty much hold your gas pedal after just enough to keep up the speed will get you a lot of mpgs vs accelaring slower and then keeping up with your foot more in. I donno, something in the way a vehicle accelarates which drops your mpgs but not as fast before you reach your desired speed. Try it, I guarantee you'll see a difference between fast acceleration and normal or slow. Just a thought! :)
I have a 2.0 4 cynlinder turbo 2020 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Recon Edition with 33 inch tires. The most mpg's I've gotten is 17mpg on the highway and that is traveling around 75 miles an hour. Does anyone think I have a problem?
I have a 2020 2.0L turbo Sport S Unlimited and just completed a 622 mile trip from Sonora, CA to Lone Pine, CA (Mt Whitney)and took two trips up to the trail head. I averaged 25.6 MPG calculated by mileage/fuel use and not the guage. I did drive conservatively.
Hi JB thanks for this video. I was researching on RUclips to see if anyone had any review on the v6etorque engine vs a v6 engine upgrade. Im in a beautiful v6 torque and not too thrilled if any one has a comparison on the two engines and which is best let me know appreciate it.....jeeps in MIA
Thanks, you’re not going to see any noticeable performance gain between the etorque and non. The etorque doesn’t really give you much gain for fuel mileage as I had the etorque on my ram 1500 V8.
Where do you live? They are both nice. Acceleration looked about the same. But you'd need to compare both either with or without ER package to make it fair. I'd proly take the 4cyl myself. And the etorque 6cyl is nearly $1700 more than the 4cyl now.
15:32 Looking at them side by side, or top by bottom as it were, it seems that the v6 starts out a bit quicker and is very slightly beating it but then once the turbo kicks in they reach 60mph at the same time.. But I feel like the v6 has more off the line torque which is really what you want off-road.. If you need immediate torque to get over obstacles.. you can't wait for turbo to kick in. For towing a small trailer I think the turbo may be good because towing is a constant power requirement so that turbo will be constantly getting use, if it has better gas mileage.. But TBH I'm happy with the v6 etorque numbers.. I would not expect a vehicle with such heavy axles, 35s and bead locks to be that quick on the v6.. That might actually be very nice. What I'd like to see is how the etorque handles towing a small trailer.. what the MPG goes to.. I know the regular pentastar I've been told it gets down to 10 mpg.
Go with the inline4, but in the 4xe variant. It rides better than either of the others, has 375 hp and 470 lb ft of torque and the government gives you $7,500 for buying one. Our 4xe Rubicon was $63k + tax title and fees. After the federal tax credit we are at about $60k all in.
@@dcar7446 If you lease you can get it upfront as a down payment (the leasing company claims it for you). On a purchase you get it as a credit (not deduction) on your federal income tax return.
@@JB_WhoWork Not sure why, but the only way to get a non-eTorque V6 is with a 6-speed manual transmission. But, you can also option up the 4.88 gear set with that 6-speed manual/3.6 liter. Heard it makes it a great little runner especially if you jump up to 35's or 37's.
@@DUNEATV Just not into anything Hybrid or Electric. Don't care for the 4xe either. Complexity. And, I'd rather modify the engine for more hp and torque.
$61K for a factory Wrangler is absolutely ridiculous, and a complete waste of parts for 95% of these that are bought. Should make FWD Soccer Mom and Urban Hipster models
Did he really just compare acceleration and fuel milage on vehicles with completely different gear ratios and tire sizes, and motors??? So which is it we are trying to see is better?? You need at least ONE common factor 🤦 Tell me you know nothing about vehicles without telling me you know nothing about vehicles.
I've got a 2021 Rubicon 2.0T with the Mopar 2" lift running 35" BFG all-terrains. It's stock other than the lift and larger tires. The elevation where I live (something that can have a big impact on performance and fuel economy) is 4500 feet. Typical driving for me is a mix of city and hwy (about 50/50). I routinely get 20 mpg with my regular driving. Running at freeway speeds below 70 mph I will get 23 mpg. If I am on country highways where my speed is 50 - 60 mph I get 24 - 25 mpg. My dad has a 2018 Rubicon (stock) with the 3.6 V6. He's lucky to get 15 or 16 in mixed driving and 19 on the hwy. I don't regret my decision to purchase the 2.0 turbo
I believe the biggest benefit to the turbo is that it doesn't lose power as elevation increases. I routinely travel in the mountains at elevations approaching 11,000 feet. I never lack for power to pass slower vehicles thanks to the turbo compensating for the loss in air density over a naturally aspirated engine.
I just got a 2022 wrangler 4dr with the Willy’s package, I4 turbo, and 8 speed transmission. It’s got more get up and go than I expected. I test drove a v6 with smaller tires and even though it had a bit more from a stop, the turbo I4 felt great with the bigger tires and lift. It’s my first wrangler and I love it.
Thats because it has more torque than the pentastar V6. AND if you get a BANKS deringer, all turbo lag is absolutely GONE and stupid quick off the line.
did you get extreme recon on it?
Dude, in the first 15 seconds EVERYTHING you said was wrong. A numerically higher gear ratio is a lower gearing.
This video is just horrid.
I have a 2020 Wrangler 4 door, 2.0L, with 245/75/R17, I regularly see 25 to 29 Mpg on highway. Around town its about 22 only because I live in Brooklyn and there are light every 10 feet. It woiuld be a bit better in more rural town setting., about 24 to 26.
That’s really good!
Exact comparison I was hoping someone would finally do, well done, thank you 🤝🙌🏻!
The Extreme Recon has a 4.56 gear ratio numerically it's higher than the 4.10 but it's actually a lower gear. This means the driveshaft has to turn 4.56 times to make the wheel turn once. Compared to 4.10 turns
the tire height makes the difference very close in overall drive ratio
Great review. The Xtreme Recon is now offered with the I4 2.0T (later in 2022 year) also. Would be great to have you compare your first Xtreme Recon with the 3.6 eTourque vs. an Xtreme Recon with the i4 2.0T. Full disclosure, I have an XR 3.6 on order. 2.0T XR was not available when I ordered in December 2021.
Great video. I think if the V6 was on 33's, the difference would've been even closer. The lift and tires make a big difference. I am impressed with that I4 turbo, wasn't expecting that kind of performance out of it. Thanks for the comparison.
Gears make up for the taller tires.
I just bought a 22 3.6 about three months ago, I thought I was buying a four cylinder but ended up with the six and I'm very pleased with it all in all. I've got the six speed manual and have routinely been getting 22 mpg on the highway only dipping down pulling a trailer. I've got plenty of power and was looking for decent mileage because most of my miles are highway. It seems to have all the power necessary on and off the road and is very responsive in every situation so far, three months into it. Thanks for the analysis compared to the turbo four.
Looks like I am late to the party but here I am! I own a 2022 Wrangler Rubicon JLU with the factory XTreme Recon package (35-in tires) with the V6 eTorque and the 850RE automatic transmission. I have added a 12K winch up front and a few extra embellishments. My son owns a 2018 Wrangler JLU with the Sport trim with the I4 Turbo and the same 850RE transmission. He has added a Mopar 2-inch lift kit and installed 33-inch AT tires. Both Jeeps have factory gearing. We recently took both Jeeps on a Jeep BoH Trail (Hole in the Rock, Utah) where for three days we covered exactly the same highway miles and off-road miles. We both put 5 gallons of carried gas into our Jeeps on the last day to head home. When we got to the nearest gas station roughly 94 miles away I had 0.4 gallons of gas in my tank and he had 3.25 gallons in his tank. I suppose his does get better gas mileage. This is a real world test.
...plus the 2.0T only takes premium fuel which at the end costs more per mile.
So I will say I have owned the 2.0 turbo for the past two years. I have roughly 43k miles on it. The one thing that I will say the biggest difference is would be you must put midgrade or higher gas in the 2.0 turbo. So over time you may or may not spend more money with that price difference with gas the way that it is. That’s one thing to consider. Other than that I do have a JLU sport with 34 inch tires with a 3 1/2 inch lift. I average between 19 and 22 miles per gallon but I drive very conservatively (65mph) everywhere I go. Too many tickets in the past…..
Also, When you talk about fuel economy, there are two points of perspective. One being to put less pollution into the environment, type of economy. The other being saving money in your pocket, type of economy. I would venture to say that 99% of the guys talking about fuel autonomy on jeeps are talking about saving money. When you consider the cost of running 91 octane or higher in the turbo as opposed to 87 octane in the V6, there's absolutely no question which one gets better cost economy. Hands down V6. Cool video.
Nice, video. I have the 2.0 Turbo its amazing.
My wife ordered a '21 Wrangler Unlimited Sport Altitude. We wanted to get the V6 but at the time it was only offered with the Etorque which was a non-starter for me due to extra battery, complexity. For me, long term reliability is the main consideration (simpler and proven is better). Reluctantly got the vehicle with the 2l Turbo w/o Etorque. At that time the 2l Turbo had somewhat of a track record so we went with it. I must say that after 10k miles, I am extremely surprised by this engine. It gets shockingly good mileage - even better than the EPA estimates of 21/22/24. Very powerful, too. I also have a '21 JGC Trailhawk with the 3.6l V6. Love that car and engine also but the Wrangler surprisingly gets the same or better mileage (especially in the city) despite having the aerodynmics of a brick.
Good video JB
Good review dude,thanks for your help!!!
Love my 2.0. I averaged 20mpg including offroading on a 750 mile round trip to Windrock. So much of an improvement over my JKUR. I know the 8 speed helps a lot, but the extra torque is nice.
Call me crazy but I would probably get the 4 banger. We had a Pentastar in a JKU back in 2016. Not impressive but adequate. We also run a lot of the Pentastars at work. Almost all of them end up with valve train failures and excessive noise. Give me the lower cost up front slight torque advantage and potentially more miles per tank. Love the wrangler vids!🇺🇸💪
Thanks for sharing bro, I owned 3 V6 and they seemed to be good overall 👍🏾
2016 the roller rocker problem was solved.
JK pentastar experience is completely different from the JL, mostly due to the 8speed. It’s an incredible difference. Not knocking the 4, but turbos have no business in an off roader for me.
Just traded in my 2016 Sahara with the 3.6 foot High Tide 2022 3.6. Even with the HT having 35’s then 3.6 has so much more power and acceleration than my 2016.
It’s night and day
This is why I need to test a jl so I can see the difference in the 3.6 engines.
I have a Cherokee trailhawk with the 2.0 turbo and I tested it vs the v6 and feel the turbo 4 is far superior. I've had it 3 and a half years since mine is a 19 and I have 48000 miles on it with 0 issues to the engine ( knock on wood ) granted I live in Colorado and turbos are way better in the mtns but I feel that this has been a lot sportier feeling than if I had gotten the v6. I also wanna say I run bigger tires , and carry 600 ish pounds of camping gear at all times ( roof top tent , awning, sliders , rack etc ) and i don't regret my choice at all
Great content. I love the comparison between the two Jeeps. I think your comparison of the power of the 2.0T is emotionally biased against your experience of turbos of the past.
I have a 2021 JL Rubicon 2.0 turbo on 2" lift, 37's beadlocks, and re-geared 4.88. I get great acceleration, but more importantly 4x4 wheeling is about low end torque. That's what you need offroad. There is no delay off the line with torque. Do your research on this turbo. It is not like engines of the past. You get the low end torque off the line.
the turbo literally accelerated faster in this video too and he said the v6 did lol.
Bro, bullshit it ain’t. I’m literally drivin a 2020 rental with the I-4, and it SUCKS off-road! All of a sudden the turbo spools and when you let off the gas, the built up boost is still tryna push you forwards. granted it a lot faster spooling than, oh, say, a Buick grand national? But turbo lag is still a thing bro.
Physics > your opinion
I've had the 3.6 with 33" tires and 3.45 gears and now have the 2.0 turbo with 33" tires and the same 3.45 gears and the turbo is much faster and I get about 4 mpg better fuel economy. I think the 4.56 gears on the first jeep over the 4.10's on the second one pretty much equals things out even with the difference in tire size. Correct gearing for the tire size you run can make all the difference.
Great point!
300 miles is not broken in. Great Video!!!
Thanks for the video!!! We are trying to decide between the 4cyl and 6cyl now and this was an excellent review. Was also really cool to see/recognize the area you're in. I grew up over in WV near Martinsburg and every summer we'd go to Cunningham Falls and the Catoctin Zoo. Spent a lot of time stomping around route 15, 77, 340, and 40.
20:43 I think if you had the xtreme recon package on the 4 cylinder it would be the same gas mileage as the v6.
Nice review JB. I would get the V-6 with the e-Torque myself. MPG wasn’t that much different. Thanks JB, I enjoyed the video
Thanks for sharing Ric 👍🏾
Problem is I can't find anything but i4 variants of the rubicon with extreme recon.
@@turboleggy That's not good.
They should have a turbo on the 3.6
Nice idea to compare the two, but you compared "apples to hand grenades" . Recon package has heavier tires and it's lifted. I4 is right at home for a stock Sport trims, especially two door, but it's known to get very thirsty under load - bigger tires, lift, towing, 5 people in the car - MPG drops below V6. I4 has a very narrow MPG utility band over V6 before it loses it completely. It's actually the reason why their 4xe jeep is a "fake electric vehicle" - after 20 miles the heavy battery just suffocates the tiny I4 with MPG below 18.
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20 rubicon I4 turbo 23 mpg with 37x18 tires had it a year and no modifications except lift and tires, 1hr 11 min commute one way to work at 65
Good stuff!
What gears?
@@alexs.5675 stock 4:10's
Thanks for the vid, JB! It looks like the 35's don't make that much difference, which is surprising to me. Coming from a sports car background, I'm a bit paranoid about unsprung weight, and 32.5's vs. 35's seems like a huge weight difference. On the engines, I get the appeal for both. I'm a tech-head through and through, but I get the appeal of simplicity, especially in an offroader. The guy that kept that CJ5 in service all these years is blessed and deservedly so. But I do love my 4xe with all its ridiculous torque and driveability.
I imagine the size of the tires are 33.0 and 34.5 most 35s are 34.5 and the 285/70 number is 33.0 depends on brand of tires to.
I can’t compare having a jk 3.6 engine I just went from 34.1 tires to 33.0 tires and it’s a big difference.
I would like to try these engines and the tire difference.
Granted I have a 2 door Rubicon but I average around 25mpg with the i4 turbo and to be honest I'm surprised at how much power the I4 has when accelerating. I never measure the acceleration it but it can keep up with traffic.
Dealer told me you should rev the 2.0 to 3k+ before launch. but the two engine are really close. difference are within 0.8 seconds with everything equal.
Beautiful jeeps but god damn, 61k is ridiculous.
lol I agree!
Great review. Thanks man. Very informative!
I got the v6 and love it 😊
You are 100% right Pentastar V6 are proven reliable
Good comparison but these are Jeeps so mpg is secondary. Offroad which is the better engine when rock crawling, technical trails? I would like for higher altitudes, e.g. CO, Utah, etc. the turbo would make more sense.
Also when you looked and said 16.4mpg with the turbo it kept climbing to 17.1 4 seconds later so it just kept going. Hard to get mpg numbers on short distances and only real way is to have same stretch road then get up to cruise speed and reset MPG calculator. That way both are at speed
I just traded in my 14 Silverado Z92 with the 35 BFG AT tires getting about 15mpg for a 20 wrangler rubicon recon with the 285 falcon MT tires and I’m getting roughly 18-20 mpg with the jeep. Def thinking about changing the MT tires for AT tires
Price point is huge, you can fuel the vehicle almost its whole life on the price savings along. The biggest this would be drivability and usable powerband.
Thanks for sharing 👍🏾
Well done on this video!! You did a great job with the comparison.
The turbo 2.0 has become a revolutionary new concept among many car manufactures. Best gas mpg without a doubt for 87 octane. Mine gets 23 mpg driving over 70 mph city driving to work every day. I raced a V6 with equal tire size. I got the turbo jump on him, but after 3 car lengths he stayed with me.
If you have the turbo, it requires 91 octane or higher.
@@Jefftaylor2114 little bit not many mention about those fiat / alfa motors lol
great video, i just ordered the willys xtreme recon package with the 3.6 engine, the mileage doesn't look great but a lot better than my 2500 chevy 6.0 :) should be getting it around april.
I have the recon package, drove the turbo rubicon and I can add this: the turbo was much faster, but messy sounding. The v6 was consistently strong. The unlimited was bouncy and very much Jeep like if you will. The recon was more settled and stable. I'm getting 19 when I'm out of the throttle and 16 when I ha e fun. Happy trails
I have a 4xe, but I get the I4 sound. There's tons of belt noise there from the charger/generator. Some people hear "It sounds like a blower" and others hear, "It sounds like a power suck". And they're both right.
Outstanding video this is exactly what people need to see before they buy. I have ordered a V-6 with the extreme recon package just waiting for it to arrive.
Thanks Michael, I was wondering if there would be a big difference and as you see, there wasn’t 👍🏾
My wife has the wrangler rubicon with the turbo four banger, we like it, it gets over 21 mpg usually. I drive the v6 gladiator, which i really like, even though getting more than 17 mpg on the average is unusual.
The 4cyl shifting at 5k.. the tach didn’t redline for another 1000. Maybe just not a gauge face calibrated to the engine but I would expect more rpm from a modern 4cyl.
Great video. You did a really nice job JB. I just purchased a Rubicon with the 2.0 Turbo and I am very surprised how responsive it is. I have only 600 miles so far, but I am happy so far.
Thanks bro and congrats!
👍👍 but Why you didn't use the V6 EcoDiesel. 11-06-23
Hy from germany :-) Do you feel some Jerky in lower rpm when you drive the 3,6 ? Thanks for answer
The V6 tires were at 44 psi, but the recommended pressure is 37 psi. Were the 2L Turbo tires also over-inflated? By how much?
Whats forgotten is that the turbo used to be coupled with the etorque system. That setup was much faster than the v6, which is why i think Jeep switched etorque away from the turbo to the 6.
what yr has i?
What would be interesting is a test between the standard Rubicon with 33's and 4.10 gears vs. the one with 35's and 4.56 gears in a acceleration and mpg test.
I wish I could have someone drive the other truck and do a dig race but it’s kind of hard unless I find owners 😅
Do you like the drive feeling and sound of the turbo 4? Think I'll pick the V6.
The fact that the 2.0 Turbo was running 4.10 gears as opposed to the V6 with 4.56 gears.....and was just as fast. Better mileage, More TQ and lower RPM, better fuel economy, its about 2K less than the V6 and it doesnt run the E torque system....2.0 is very stout. However, my only issue with the 2.0 is that it sounds course, where the V6 sounds buttery smooth and refined.
My Rubicon has 3:73 gears on 35's and I average 15.2 MPG combined. And it is a 2 door.
I have the 2-door 2.0 Turbo and it's a ROCKET! 😂🔥
J.B. those are nice. My ‘93 Chevy Silverado 1500 two wheel drive with 5.7L v-8 gets 19 mpg out on open road with A/C during the summer plus it’s paid for. I don’t think good mpg will help ease the pain of the monthly payments. That’s my thinking. Your talking about turbocharged motors, most drivers will put their foot in it constantly just for the feel, thus mpg will suffer. Keep’m coming 👍👍🙂🙂
That’s crazy good for a old school V8, I’m assuming it has VVT? Thanks for sharing James!
@@JB_WhoWork no it’s before all of that nonsense. J.B. the truck is stock, bought it in 2000, previous owner put headers with glass pack muffler, I love the sound it’s music to my ears. Also the previous owner had a shift kit put in the tranny plus auxiliary trans cooler, it’s designed to shift later, when I punch it I get a Texas size smile on my face. We also have a ‘02 GMC Yukon XL with a 5.3L v-8 & ‘12 Ram 1500, prefer the ole Chevy
That’s awesome!
How about the eco diesel. Better acceleration. More torque. Much better mileage. Diesels last for ever. 3500 addl at purchase
mpg of diesel is only slightly better than the I4, plus the diesel overheats and has less payload.
@@troutriver58 as someone who has had the ecodiesel rubicon for 30k miles and now 17 months, trust me the overheating is exaggerated by many. I have had mine get hot, but not enough to derate. Even then that was only with a loaded down M1102 trailer, on the HMMWV steel double beadlocks and kevlar 37's, that has a very large frontal area made of the military soft top pvc coated canvas thus turning it into a big sail. Even with the most non optimal trailer it still took local heat of 102° ambient and elevation of +5,000 ft to get it hot. It would only do it on climbs, and as soon as you get to the top of the hill it was at standard op temp in less than a minute. Dropping speed helps alot.
I'm not at all saying it isn't an issue, because it for sure is. Something that Jeep engineers definetly should have addressed but their hands were kind of tied because space is VERY limited in the cooling stack. It is just that those who have had it happen tend to exaggerate the situation and what exactly caused it. For example, that same trailer was pulled from Atlanta to Montrose, CO with the top off so it had much less drag, in summer at 80 mph the whole way without overheating. It was only once I got out west, in the middle of July heat, and put the top on that it got hot in between Montrose, CO and Moab, UT. For reference the day it got hot, when we rolled into Moab it was 115° ambient temp.
Diesels are great or at least they were, but nowadays you have to add piss and worry about clogging the DPF. The motor itself is great just the pollution control stuff is usually the weak link.
@@vdub5818 I’ve got one also. Never technically overheated but has gone into derating mode three times. Twice on interstate. Driving at 40mph while traffic and 18-wheelers are passing you at high speed is no fun. My next jeep won’t be a diesel.
The 3.6 V6 Penastar E-torque Is 308 Horsepower,269 fpt plus 69 fpt available when needed from the E-torque,I Own 1 And Their Isnt Any Need For A V8 It Hauls Ass With The 3.6 V6 Penastar E-torque Engine.
17:30 there are certain situations where the stop/start won't come on.
Need longer term to be more accurate I have had both motors in jlu sports had standard tire on 18 with v6 got 17-18 my 22 t4 has 33in tire and I get 21-22 intown.
A family member of mine has the 2.0 turbo and the engine blow up at 64,000 miles I don’t believe the 4 cylinder has great longevity!
Good video. My feedback would be if you want mpg get a prius. I've had a Vette, Ram 2500, caddy, and ram1500, and f150. Mpg is not why you get one.
Awesome review ===thank you !
No problem, thanks for sharing 👍🏾
I'd love to see how these two compare to the Ecodiesel.
What, destroy it in a race? All the ecodiesel has is balls and lots of it.
I'd love the diesel but that DEF though...too much of a pain I'd think. Idk.
Awesome comparison.
Nice video. From my experience of driving different cars, trucks and what not, those that drink gas like a crazy I notice that if you accelerate with full pedal to the speed you need to be at, then let go and pretty much hold your gas pedal after just enough to keep up the speed will get you a lot of mpgs vs accelaring slower and then keeping up with your foot more in. I donno, something in the way a vehicle accelarates which drops your mpgs but not as fast before you reach your desired speed. Try it, I guarantee you'll see a difference between fast acceleration and normal or slow. Just a thought! :)
Great Review! I’m actually going back and forth on which one to get. I’ll go with V6.
Mistake
Its a nearly 10% better fuel economy return, probably more given you did the 0-70 TWICE in the Turbo-4 AND drove for 2 more mins.
V6 did awesome considering it’s sits higher and has 35’s!
It really did!
My 3.6 gets 30mph easy on the highway if I stay at 60-65. 70-75 I see 25-28. Gearing is everything.
I have a 2.0 4 cynlinder turbo 2020 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Recon Edition with 33 inch tires. The most mpg's I've gotten is 17mpg on the highway and that is traveling around 75 miles an hour. Does anyone think I have a problem?
Yes - should be well over 20mpg on the highway, even at 75…
I have a 2020 2.0L turbo Sport S Unlimited and just completed a 622 mile trip from Sonora, CA to Lone Pine, CA (Mt Whitney)and took two trips up to the trail head. I averaged 25.6 MPG calculated by mileage/fuel use and not the guage. I did drive conservatively.
4 banger ALL DAY
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Disagree
Hi JB thanks for this video. I was researching on RUclips to see if anyone had any review on the v6etorque engine vs a v6 engine upgrade. Im in a beautiful v6 torque and not too thrilled if any one has a comparison on the two engines and which is best let me know appreciate it.....jeeps in MIA
Thanks, you’re not going to see any noticeable performance gain between the etorque and non. The etorque doesn’t really give you much gain for fuel mileage as I had the etorque on my ram 1500 V8.
@@JB_WhoWork thank you guys!
Where do you live? They are both nice. Acceleration looked about the same. But you'd need to compare both either with or without ER package to make it fair. I'd proly take the 4cyl myself. And the etorque 6cyl is nearly $1700 more than the 4cyl now.
I was in Thurmont, MD at Criswell Jeep
Good job, great👍👍😎🇺🇸 review!Thanks.
Thanks! 🇺🇸🇺🇸
17:44 That's a really great point. I think it's gonna be a lot worse if you had the recon package on this.
I have the i4 TurboFax on my Rubicon. Runs good but sounds terrible.
gear ratio is the same front in rear/
V6 was quicker by mph first bit cause turbo lag then the Turbo passed the v6 in speed
15:32 Looking at them side by side, or top by bottom as it were, it seems that the v6 starts out a bit quicker and is very slightly beating it but then once the turbo kicks in they reach 60mph at the same time.. But I feel like the v6 has more off the line torque which is really what you want off-road.. If you need immediate torque to get over obstacles.. you can't wait for turbo to kick in. For towing a small trailer I think the turbo may be good because towing is a constant power requirement so that turbo will be constantly getting use, if it has better gas mileage..
But TBH I'm happy with the v6 etorque numbers.. I would not expect a vehicle with such heavy axles, 35s and bead locks to be that quick on the v6.. That might actually be very nice. What I'd like to see is how the etorque handles towing a small trailer.. what the MPG goes to.. I know the regular pentastar I've been told it gets down to 10 mpg.
Go with the inline4, but in the 4xe variant. It rides better than either of the others, has 375 hp and 470 lb ft of torque and the government gives you $7,500 for buying one. Our 4xe Rubicon was $63k + tax title and fees. After the federal tax credit we are at about $60k all in.
How does that tax credit work? Do you get it up front when you purchase the vehicle or do you get it when you file your taxes?
@@dcar7446 If you lease you can get it upfront as a down payment (the leasing company claims it for you). On a purchase you get it as a credit (not deduction) on your federal income tax return.
@@rich7447 yeah I heard it about it but never knew how it worked a co worker bought a Tesla I remember he mentioned something about a tax credit Thanx
Can you tow the same with the 4xe?
@@johnny2124 I think all the Wranglers are limited to 3,500 lbs. Definitely not a heavy hauler.
You couldn't run fast enough to GIVE me an eTorque V6. So my choice is a 2
0 liter turbo 4cyl. or a 3.6 liter V6 with the 6-speed manual. Or...a 392.
Why is that? I probably would prefer the non eTorque V6 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork Not sure why, but the only way to get a non-eTorque V6 is with a 6-speed manual transmission. But, you can also option up the 4.88 gear set with that 6-speed manual/3.6 liter. Heard it makes it a great little runner especially if you jump up to 35's or 37's.
I saw that too on the builder, I wish they made the 4.88 available on other options though 🤷♂️
How come you don’t like the E-torque?
@@DUNEATV Just not into anything Hybrid or Electric. Don't care for the 4xe either. Complexity. And, I'd rather modify the engine for more hp and torque.
Like work this jeep extremely extremely hot let’s do a zero 90 MPG run
DONT FORGET TO ACHIEVE THOSE FACTORY POWER NUMBERS ON THE V4 YOU NEED PREMIUM FUEL
YUP
$61K for a factory Wrangler is absolutely ridiculous, and a complete waste of parts for 95% of these that are bought. Should make FWD Soccer Mom and Urban Hipster models
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Lol if you want a FWD soccer mom SUV just buy something else like a Bronco.
V6 for the win and I wouldn't lift mine
Where s the 4runner
Did he really just compare acceleration and fuel milage on vehicles with completely different gear ratios and tire sizes, and motors??? So which is it we are trying to see is better?? You need at least ONE common factor 🤦
Tell me you know nothing about vehicles without telling me you know nothing about vehicles.
You don’t get a Jeep for fuel mileage…
Turbo is quicker
Love jeep but that 2.0t is a problem child of a motor
higher gearing in the "rear".
lol
Go eco diesel
When getting a vehicle with bigger tires most don't care about MPG
eh? I've got 37's on my diesel JLUR and I pay alot of attention to mpg
TURBO 2000 TOP V6 👎
WTH was this ?
Pretty much useless test...
Thank You
When getting a vehicle with bigger tires most don't care about MPG