For all the ones who question what ram is, think of it like this. Let’s say you want to build a birdhouse, well in order to build one, you would need to a work bench. But let’s say you have a tiny workbench (8 gigs), then you would be limited to what you could put on the work bench, such as tools, materials and such, making the work bench more crowded and leaving you continuously having to take things off the bench in order to put the needed things on it, making the process in the build slower. But now, let’s say you have a bigger work bench (16 gigs), big enough to put every single thing needed to build the birdhouse, then you would be able to build the birdhouse much more “fluently” and much quicker, making everything in the process smoother and organized. Now, let’s say you have a really big work bench (32 gig), you would be able to have all the materials on the bench, but you would have a lot of unused and empty space, making that empty and unused space pointless.That’s basically how ram works.
Going by that example then the 32 GB workbench is still better because now you not only have enough space for everything needed to build the birdhouse, but you also have extra space for anything else, like say you want to use a laptop to watch a RUclips video with a guide on how to build the birdhouse or a Bluetooth speaker playing music. Likewise on a PC, the game itself won't use 32 GB of RAM, but it's way better to have that extra breathing room for other applications. I mean I just upgraded to 32 GB of ram yesterday since I had a bit of spare money and I thought I didn't really need that much but I actually did, now I'm easily surpassing 16 GB of ram used and I'm really glad I upgraded because I don't need to worry so much about how many programs I have running at the same time.
For fortnite, if you want to benchmark with different specs, you can use the in game replay mode to view previous matches and you can do this to make the circumstances exactly the same between each hardware swap.
@@myvidaloka 64 will allow you to detail even more, but one guy i know is an ultra detailers with 12k assets and 130 mods and he still gets 100 GB of pagefile usage 🤣
For gaming itself, 16gb to 32gb isn't a huge difference, but when you want to stream using stuff like OBS or Streamlabs, or screencap your games and do video editing, the extra ram definitely makes a difference.
Your channel is extremely underrated. You give comprehensive information and reviews. As a beginner in the PC scene, I find every single content you put out very helpful.
Idk about beginner lol when I first started watching him there was a lot of jokes I couldn't understand. Like when he joked about hdr being bad he used sarcasm but I still don't understand if he was saying hdr is good or bad
I did some testing recently, I found that if you don't have much physical RAM, Windows will use virtual RAM from the Page File. If your page file is allocated to an SSD, this has minimal impact; if your page file is on a hard drive, it can be painfully slow.
@@serimar Setting a pagefile will speed up games, windows and load times. I have been doing it for years. When I had 8gb ram I would set a 8gb pagefile now I have 16gb ram and run 16gb pagefile on a M.2 SSD but I just started mining this year when not gaming so you need a pagefile for mining and if you turn the pagefile off a lot of apps will not run or open with no or a low pagefile.
Makes me nostalgic for my first computer - a Timex-Sinclair ZX-81 with a whopping 16Kb (yes, kilobytes) of RAM. It was on an expansion module that plugged into the back and was held on with a velcro strip, that made it a processing monster compared to its onboard 3Kb of RAM.
I remember usb sticks of 32MB. Now you get the same (or even smaller) usb sticks of a couple TB! Even the very small micro sd have 1TB. Like how does that fit on it :o
From years (decades) of experience, the simple answer is the fastest RAM your motherboard will support and as much as you can afford. If you can afford to max out your RAM, do it. Windows loves RAM, games love RAM, almost every other application loves RAM. You can never have too much.
16GB is all that's really needed currently for the vast majority of gamers. I got 32GB simply because it was only like $10 more during a sale when I was upgrading but I never really use that much.
@@darkerpath That's my current setup as well. Definitely enough if you don't mind turning off a few things, and FSR can literally save you. HOWEVER -- buy your RX6650XT before anything else, specially if your budget is tight. This processor is powerful enough so it won't be a bottleneck, but the iGPU is simply not enough for nowadays.
I recently went from 16gb to 32gb on my 4820k/1070 combo and for 40 dollars I'm very happy with the upgrade. Everything runs smoother, stuttering went away. Rust will use 20gb+, DCS will use nearly 20, Star Citizen benefitted the most, though the RAM did not fix the broken missions.
@@likizbajke01 With that 4820k and 32 gb ram/ gtx 1070 I would run maxed out at 1080p getting about 48 to 70 fps depending on the map. The extra ram really helped out the 1% lows. I recently swapped the CPU for a used I7-4960x (from Ebay for $140) which increased the average FPS to around 58 to 90. Would recommend that processor if you already have a system running that generation motherboard.
I just went for 32GB, because it's a new build and I intend to use it for the next 6-8 years (AM5 platform, so might upgrade the CPU in the future), plus I found a 2x16GB kit of DDR5 which was only about 30% more than the cheapest 2X8GB kits of same speed and latency.
2x48!!!!!! It is actually only a few hundred. Which doesnt seem to bad. Hahaha. I cant wait for 1x64 and 2x64 to actually be supported by gaming motherboards
Remember CAS times and row times change (get slower) as more ram sticks are put into the motherboard...That's why if you are going to upgrade ram make sure to use to larger sticks not 4 if possible. You can also mostly forget T1 timing with 4 sticks of ram.
this solely depends on your CPU's memory controller capacity.... more channels filled is actually faster. with 4 RAM sticks with an approriate CPU will allow you to run in dual rank which is much more effecient than any 2 DIMM setup.
32gb is a great purchase especially if you multitask and do video editing, lots of browser tabs. 8-16gb is enough for bare bones a game and maybe a couple background tasks.
so I know im late to this video but if you are curious from my experience...Back in my old PC in May of 2020 I had a Ryzen 7 1700/GTX 1060 6GB/8GB ram. It worked for a lot of different games until I hit CoD2019. I would get small stutters here and there when I would have Chrome/discord/spotify running while MW was running as well. Lots of packet loss as well (never really sure if that was internet based but theres more to the story). SO after buying just another 8GB ram stick for $30 I installed it and my frames were more consistent, No stuttering at all unless it came from my HDD (yes I had an SSD but only 120gb). Also the packet loss was eliminated. I eventually updated to 32 gigs because why not and the ram I had was DDR4 3000mhz so it was cheap. The FPS stayed about the same as well anywhere from 65-130 depending on the map. Just thought i'd share. I have 16GB in my current rig but most likely will be updated to full 32gb. I have a i7 8700k with a 2080. Works well, but eventually i'll upgrade. Not sure why I shared this but just thought it was cool and somewhat helpful for anyone who is budget building.
When I play Cold War, I'm usually using about 12.5gb of ram. But since I stream Cold War sometimes and I have one window open of Edge, I'm using about 18gb of ram. Having 32gb of ram gives your PC more breathing room for multitasking and you never have a bottleneck with ram.
I’ve had 32gb in my system for years I used to struggle running rust at high settings with 16gb so I upgraded to 32gb checked usage and rust was using 16.4gb
For one of my old computers, upgrading to 16gb was the difference between playable and not playable. I ran out of ram in multiple games and it took me a while to figure out the what caused the crashes :D
Also the type of ram can affect your gaming experience. I recently upgraded from 3200mhz to 4000mhz ram and the difference for me has been just substantial.
16, 32, 64gb makes very little diffrence. I run my current PC with 16gb atm with 30+ chrome tabs (dont know why people think this is a big deal....) 2 games running, music and some work stuff. I dont notice a lot of diffrence between my 3 systems based on the ram. (very similair in specs just ram diffrence) I only notice a hugh diffrence when doing graphic design and movie rendering. Thats what my 64 gig system is for. But my previous system that had 32gb ram felt so much slower than my new one. Even if its compareble the same. Current system, 16gb ram, Ryzen 5 5600x, 3070ti. Old system, 1080ti, 32gb ram, i9 9900k. What made a hugh diffrence is what kind of storage i took. My old pc have a samsung 870 ssd on 2tb. But my new one got 2 Samsung 980 pro 1tb. Thats a HUGH diffrence in performance. And the diffrence in price of a 2tb samsung 870 ssd in my old pc and a 1tb 980 pro? The 2TB samsung 870 is 300 ish and the 1 980 pro is 200. So its CHEAPER with the 980 pro but its TONS better for the performance of the PC.
The best part of watching Toasty Bros is when one person speaks the other just stares deadly into the camera and nods. Love it! Keep up the good work guys!
It all depends on the game. Most games aren't going to have an issue if you have 16 Gb. I play a ton of 7 Days to Die and it absolutely does utilize more RAM. Last alpha I'd hit 17 Gb RAM in use. A20 has me at 15 Gb RAM in use. And that's not taking into account any collapses or roaming hordes that show up. I have a mod in so the hordes are absolutely massive. The thing is, that if you have bottlenecks elsewhere in the system, you will never see that RAM get used. So, a pc build is still a game of balancing parts. Don't pair a flagship gpu with an extreme budget cpu and don't pair a high end cpu and gpu with 8 Gb of RAM. As long as your parts make sense together, you won't have issues.
I remember playing Deus Ex: Mankind Divided with 8GB of RAM. Load times longer than a full minute. Upgrading the RAM (and nothing else) dropped the load times by like 80%.
32gb does make sense for gaming, I've just upgraded from 16 to 32 and the difference is clearly noticable. Especially for ram intense games and a few browser tabs open.
I find that the only game that has caused a memory issue for me so far was Star Citizen. At 16gb of RAM, it's JUST playable, but not really capable of handling more than the game as my memory is capped the whole time while playing it.
Upgrading to 32 GB makes sense if you stream and have a lot of things running outside of your game. 32 GB RAM also mean that you don't have to care about how much your apps are spending...everything runs smooth and nice regardless. (If you have a decent CPU & GPU that is)
Or if a specific game eats up ram. Cities Skylines with added workshop content cam eat ram like crazy, as much as you throw at it. I have 16G, and I have problems loading too much content. Most tutorial makers for that game have 64 or 128. But the game will let you load thousands of workshop assets with save games that take 15min to load.
I mainly upgraded the RAM from 16>32gb to reduce caching wear on my NVME drive. Was surprised to find a few games i play started using over 20gb when it was available. So yeh 32 gb isnt ridiculous
Guys, the more ram you have the better. Doesnt matter what your graphics processor is or what your cpu is. The goal is to simply allow more data through your microprocessor. Dont think too much into it thats what us electrical engineers do. If you typically have alot of windows running, or simply play data saturating programs, then yes get more ram it will not hurt.
This is stupid. Unless you have high end gpu and cpu increasing ram makes literally 0 difference. Your processors will bottleneck you hard even if you were to allocate 128gb
I just upgraded some systems in the home to 32gbs and a big part of it was getting a DUAL RANK configuration and less about the extra headroom of more ram. It took 3 tries to finally get a budget $110 2x16gb kit that was DUAL rank. The first two kits were both single rank and were sent back.
@@mdj.bm7 Each time you purchase RAM sticks you might want to look to see if they are compatible with your DIMM slots on your motherboard. They are the slots that you stick your RAM in. That's the only limitation in choosing RAM. Your motherboard determines what parts can be used, so if you have a really old motherboard and you want to use the new parts such as DDR5 RAM and the new12th gen Intel Processors then you're gonna need to upgrade the entire computer because the motherboard is the "end-all, be-all" of parts that will determine how fast you can make your computer run.
@@olafharoldsonnii4713 It's been some time since you asked this, but if you still have that same question, the answer will always be: look it up in the manual. If your physical manual does not contain that information, search for one that does online(and always verify the information with more than one source). Typically, motherboards can only have one specific DDR format, so if your RAM is a DDR3, it will NOT fit into a DDR4 or 5 motherboard. There is also a frequency range written in megahertz(mhz), and that will be the RAM speed your MB can read. Last thing(and for the love of god, don't make this mistake or you will have to return the memory), CHECK HOW MUCH RAM EACH SLOT CAN TAKE, and also the total memory the MB will actually read. It's no use having a 16gb stick if your individual MB slot can only read up to 8gb. Same goes for the total gigabytes - if your motherboard max is 16gb, then you will not be able to fit two of those at the same time.
One other benifit of using 32 gigs of ram, it would increase your Drives lifespan by it using less paging and with ssds they have a limit to how many times they can read and write therefore paging will decrease the life span of your ssd, but you can also just use a USB flash drive for paging instead.
also something to consider is if you are using integrated graphics like on AMD Ryzen 7 5700G if you have 16gb ram then the IGPU will have 8gb of shared memory but if you want to have 16gb of shared memory for the IGPU then you have to have 32gb of ram.
@@joesjanuaryjames545it's not good for gaming. 16gb of Ram is significantly better for gaming and everything else. It's worth it. besides it's not that much money to upgrade it. 👍
@@pekopeko0619_Isn't playing games using vram? I want to upgrade my RAM from 8 to 16GB. My CPU is a lowend Ryzen 3 3200G, is there any change if I add 16 RAM? because some say it all depends on VRam from VGA. Thank You.
Sooo i found out after 3 years of gaming that one ramstick was not put in correctly...lets just sayy i feel feee now😭(i didnt know much about computers just had it build) i got 16 gbs now, no more lags no more troubles.
as much as you can afford , that's how much if you play games especially , it opens up your gaming world like nothing else really does objects load in quicker while running through a world , looking around with the mouse feels SO MUCH smoother and it gives you a bit more depth to your game , a new dimension , if you will i felt this when i went from 8 to 16 , and i felt it again when going for 32 GB
I upgraded a budget PC from 8gb to 16gb and the micro stutters don't happen as much, and avg fps was more stable. Most games run comfortably around the 10-12gb usage rate. It's also a cheap upgrade to go from 8 to 16 anyways.
it’s still good to upgrade to 32GB. It’s always good to have more if you want to futureproof your pc. If one day you do decide to stream and use your PC for others things besides gaming (which you should), then at least you have the tools handy.
Damn I was trying to get 100 FPS so took it to shop to upgrade too 16 Gb cause I heard 32 wouldn’t help boost it much it goes to like 80 rn wish it were a bit better
not sure why streamers and tech channels don't mention more often that mixing ram kits isn't recommended.. and it's smthg i wish i knew ahead of building my first pc build in over a decade --back in 2018/19 when i built mine. If i had known that beforehand i would've just forked up the extra amount to go straight to 32GB ram instead of simply 16GB ram. You would think it's okay to just add the 16GB ram to the existing 16GB ram i started with..but it's not recommended. So i think this idea should also be noted early on for new PC builders. Not rly disputing many of the pts the video raises but if you think you will end up up-sizing your PC uses/needs.. i would recommend upsizing the RAM at the beginning and save yourself from potential more cost later.
Unless you plan to overclock or tweaking the timing it's very unlikely you'll run into problem. I've been mixing RAM kits the last 10 years and never had any problem.
Hi, Vsauce here. I play stalker 2 on my rig and the specs are: 12th Gen-F i7 RTX3060Ti 16Gb (2x8) Aaaaaand it runs. Barely. It will technically run, but has a habit of either choking on itself and crashing, or just constantly buffering lag spikes. That is if the shader compilers don't crash 1st. I indeed need 32Gb, maybe more just to me on the safe side.
Went from 16 gig @266mhg dual channel to 32 gig @360mhz dual. I benchmarked on Timespy before and after. Original score 11996. New Score 12296. I have an i9 9900k with a 2080ti. Now replaced the 2080ti with a 3080ti and it hits just under 17k 👌
You are using MSI Afterburner and you aren't displaying the Frame Rate + Frame Times. That is where you will see the differences from 8, 16, & 32 GB. Also don't forget, it's highly dependent on the game and the user's PC. If the user has a ton of side apps loaded, having more RAM helps big time. If the user is using a fresh Windows install and just the game... Well yeah, 8 GB is probably enough but, almost no one runs their rig like that. GTA 5 (12 GB of RAM Recommended) & Read Dead 2, would have been games that would show differences as well. Then there is also the RAM speed that will show differences. All of that stuff is important to take into account and shouldn't have been left out of this video imo.
Most games don't need more than 16gb at this point. Anything higher is just good for lowering cpu dependency, which is great if you have an older board running a previous generation chipset.
My Acer Nitro 5 had two 32GB Rams running that bad boy at 64GB Ram it has never failed me and performance is wow… when I had 16GB Ram a few games ran smooth but time to time went sticky…. This is why I upgraded so high. Never had a problem since
Have you looked at how speed affects gaming performance? Perhaps using a single high performance kit and manually clocking the speed and timings to compare?
@@keyan7805 you’re welcome. 32 is great. Even if you don’t encode or anything. Or example. When I used to play Warzone I would be in “downtown” and I would be using like 18-19gb with a RUclips tab open. Msi afterburner. A couple chrome tabs. Discord. Ram cleaner application. (On my second monitor) with the current games I play I run around 15/16ish with the same tabs open. And when I do encode a RUclips video or something. Then I’m using like 24GB. Moral of my argument is. If you love multitasking. Then 32 is absolutely the move from dual monitors.
@@mikeramos91 no cpu core count matter for work stations. Dual monitors are gpu dependent. I mentioned to have more ram available because you can get carried away with dual monitors. Spotify. RUclips. 5 chrome tabs. Wallpaper engine (moving images). Discord. Msi afterburner (any monitoring software) and who knows what else you may like. Oh and plus your video game. 16Gb is trash these days. It just goes by sooooo quickly. I’m always using 16gb bare minimum all day everyday. If you just want 16gb there’s no point of having dual monitors cuz you’ll probably only have 1 thing open before you’re out of memory. Especially with these demanding triple A titles these days. Best of luck. Let me know what you decide. Side Note: core counts do matter if you edit (endcode videos) cuz you can share your cpus cores between your game and your encoding program. I’m not 100% sure on how much cores you need if you do that stuff tho. You might have to do your own research im sorry. Since I’m unknowledgeable on end coding.
I generally just keep an eye on how much RAM I normally use. I run a dual monitor setup and pretty much always have something going on using my second monitor. Sometimes I'll even have a second client running (Generally when I'm playing EVE Online). Two PC's ago I was creeping up on 16 gigs pretty regularly. Since then I've been putting 32 gigs in my builds. I don't foresee myself going much higher anytime soon.
The problem with 8gb ram is what I notices is that rdr2 and other titles crash in background while adding other 8gb ram (16GB) games strated running smoothly and never crashed after being paused for long time
Galactic Civilizations 3 can use 32GB of RAM. The main reason for 32GB of RAM is performance. 4x8GB of RAM means Dual Rank which gives better performance. This also means that 16GB of RAM is free for the game and the rest for windows.
I upgraded to 32gb few weeks ago, because i play a lot of rust, and after upgrading it, i don't have stutters, the frames increased from 100 to 105, not a big difference, but not having stuttering is a huge difference. When i had 16Gb i couldnt open chrome, and discord would make this stuttering worse. So yeah, in rust, is pretty convinient upgrading to 32
Yeah I think I would’ve appreciated you using a better graphics card so that we got more data. Also it would’ve been nice to see what true XMP can do for a system. Not just being stuck at 2666. I mean it’s intel so numbers prob aren’t that different. But would’ve been nice to see.
K procesors can breack those limit, if u have a z490 board. Im on a i7 10700K 2x16 at 3200Mhz. This is the diference, I was able to corroborate it in Warzone a big improvement when I went from 2666 to 3200.
@@wolfoxpc it was six months ago when I made this, but I think my point was that fast ram on Intel boards doesn’t make that much of a difference compared to ram speeds on ryzen
@@wolfoxpc you’re really trying to say that the 10700k gives u more performance than the 5800x ..? I mean good for you if u found 1 game that can beat the 5800x. But please don’t act like I’m crazy bc You are in the minority on that statement. Stability i can see that. Ryzen seems to be more finicky
@@wolfoxpc u clearly had a f'd up 5800x or u were bottlenecking it and if u had the same memory then you were most likely using 2933mhz or lower which isn't a surprise then if the 5800x was under performing!
100% agree buy mainly just thinking 8gb 2x4 or 8gb 1x8 cause the single stick is a better option for upgradability in the near future compared to a dual channel setup. When you wanna upgrade, just get another stick that's itentical to your current one
@@brandonbennett7865 if youre looking for that just buy a mobo with 4 slots and get another 2x4 kit, unless you think youll go 32, which i doubt if ur deciding between 1x8 or 2x4.
I don't change laptop for 8 or more years so it's always better to buy the higher specs specially of the price is not that much higher. If you're going to buy laptop in 2023, buy 32 gb and it will still be usable til 2030.
THIS IS IMPORTANT. If you have a PC with Intel graphics, getting 16GBs of RAM will help you out significantly in games like GTA V. I have a laptop with the i5 8250U which is a great gaming CPU, however it was bottlenecked by the Intel UHD620 graphics and 8GB RAM. Initially when you play GTA with 8GB of RAM, you will have no issues until you start moving around a lot and the RAM usage skyrockets, causing painful frame drops and an unplayable experience... 16GB of RAM will be super handy, as you won't need to upgrade your GPU and other components (For budget gamers) 16GB of RAM should be the standard for everyone. You might not need 16GBs initially and most games don't need 16GBs, but you will eventually need it and sometimes you will regret not having it. 8GB of RAM is really only 4 to 5GB when you consider that your PC has other apps running in the background that you can't or shouldnt disable, such as Steam, Rockstar Launcher, system apps and Windows Defender. Those will take up about 3GB of RAM constantly and games like GTA V need roughly 5 to 8GB of RAM, s you'll always be on the limit with 8GBs of RAM. In other words, having more RAM makes up for the lack of video ram. Do yourself a favour and upgrade to 16GB. You'll thank yourself.
great video. Could you all do a break down for the best sim racing computer on a budget? The idea of paying $3500 is tough - do i really need the best? Any suggestions would be awesome!
For budget gaming pcs like that more likely gaming at 1080p, 8gb of ram should be ok. But having really high end gpus usually cranking up everything to max at 4k then having 16gb ram would show a difference.
i disagree with this because windows 10 will use 4gb if you have only 8 and thats just to run they system ... leaving 4gb of ram makes for super poor gaming no matter the video card you use.
I have recently ordered a new GPU and CPU for myself and I’m waiting for the part to come in. I am going to be a touch interested to see how well this pans out since I am curious about upgrading my RAM to 32 GBs too (currently at 16GB). Either way though, I think I may consider it down the line after I check a few more things, but need to wait for another paycheck or two before I make that leap (already put $400 to upgrade the PC fair sum already). That and for what was suggested, if I want to stream while playing on PC, that might be a good idea to upgrade.
32gb is way better its for multi tasking so having stream opened while on something like warzone or tarkov, if you tried with 16 it would be unplayable
I think 16gb is the minimum to have today for AAA/AA video games produced from 2017/2018 to present. I easily surpass 8gb of ddr4 ram on my 4 year old gaming laptop. If you are building a new gaming pc today I think 32gb is the best option not necessary now but I can only assume it will be better to have.
I am currently using an 8gb gaming laptop for, well, kinda everything, from gaming to studying to watching videos to learning animation, I was gonna upgrade to "only" 16gb but this made me realize I can never survive with anything below 20, this video undoubtedly helped me make a better decision :)
It doesn't actually only depend on the RAM if you want to have more FPS, but on the VRAM of the graphics card, the PCI-Version the motherboard has, with how many lanes the RAM and the graphics card it's connected to the Mainboard, and which DDR-Version the mainboard supports and which speed it has, whether you are using Dual-Channel or not, and so on...
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before windows 10, 4GB of RAM was still good, 8GB was the sweet spot for hardcore gaming and multitasking and 16GB or more was luxury or for high end use. now with windows 10 drawing at least 1.5GB of RAM just on the desktop and modern games needing more RAM than older ones, 8 has become the bare minimum for gaming PCs, 16 is the sweet spot and 32+ is for professional use. even in terms of core count in CPUs, before a 2 core 4 thread CPU could handle games just fine, but now most games need at least 4, and 6 is the sweet spot for both gaming and some multitasking at the same time, and 8 is more of a luxury.
this is a good test for people that only have a game open. Pretty much everyone I know has at least discord open which is pretty ram heavy so if you are gonna be gaming with friends this might not be the right guide for you. In my experiences 32 gigs of ram is a minimum if you want to have zero issues no matter what you have open in the background plus ram is very cheap right now so it wont break the bank.
It's the clock rate and how often the mobo interacts with the ram which is the most important. That's like how fast you can bail water out of the boat where as the capacity of ram is like how much water can go into the boat before it starts sinking. If the clock rate is too low then eventually you'll run out of avalibile ram.
I run 32 gigs because I use one of the minus fourm mini pc with amd onboard graphics,my modded skyrim uses up to 16gigs of my ram at times so having the extra ram helps me some
Thank you a lot I think I'm going to stick with 16GB of RAM because I need a new PC and this one only has 3GB of RAM so thank you for telling me how I might want to do this as a RUclipsr thank you a lot!😊
3 years age i had a custom gaming pc built up to my specs. Since i was under budget i decided to get 128 GB of Rams to test how much rams each game can take. The idea was to test the 128 GB the remove some of it icn case of performance issues. The Maximum usage from a software was 36 gb and it was from msfs 2020 running with a minimum amount of addons. The other games that i play generally take less than 32 Gb but a lot of them are close or a bit above the 32 Gb. and on the performance issues, no remarquable difference, so i still run with 128 Gb of rams.
I'm using 16gb, dual channel 2400mhz and I'm pretty much okay with my games. Unless you do photo/video or audio production, you'll be pretty much very good with 16Gb of ram.
I do have 12gb..haha. 4gb and 8gb on my ryzen laptop. I only play nba 2k21 and cities skylines so it works for me. At least for now. In the future, i would want to build a mid budget pc.
You are so right. 32 gigs is a waste. That is why I run 64 gigs now.
lol
You had me in the first half not gonna lie.
Hell yeah 4 real I’m running 64 too. 👌😂
Rookie number. I’m running 1 petabyte of ram
yeah you can barely run virtual machines with that much smh
For all the ones who question what ram is, think of it like this. Let’s say you want to build a birdhouse, well in order to build one, you would need to a work bench. But let’s say you have a tiny workbench (8 gigs), then you would be limited to what you could put on the work bench, such as tools, materials and such, making the work bench more crowded and leaving you continuously having to take things off the bench in order to put the needed things on it, making the process in the build slower. But now, let’s say you have a bigger work bench (16 gigs), big enough to put every single thing needed to build the birdhouse, then you would be able to build the birdhouse much more “fluently” and much quicker, making everything in the process smoother and organized. Now, let’s say you have a really big work bench (32 gig), you would be able to have all the materials on the bench, but you would have a lot of unused and empty space, making that empty and unused space pointless.That’s basically how ram works.
Going by that example then the 32 GB workbench is still better because now you not only have enough space for everything needed to build the birdhouse, but you also have extra space for anything else, like say you want to use a laptop to watch a RUclips video with a guide on how to build the birdhouse or a Bluetooth speaker playing music. Likewise on a PC, the game itself won't use 32 GB of RAM, but it's way better to have that extra breathing room for other applications. I mean I just upgraded to 32 GB of ram yesterday since I had a bit of spare money and I thought I didn't really need that much but I actually did, now I'm easily surpassing 16 GB of ram used and I'm really glad I upgraded because I don't need to worry so much about how many programs I have running at the same time.
Bro, this is an underrated comment, Thank you!
This is such a perfect explanation
That comment was super Saiyan god level.
Now all I need is someone to explain every part of the pc like the way you did here.
Thank you for this video, Im upgrading the ram in my pc from 8 to 32 and everything you’ve stated are the answers to my questions 💪🏿💯
Same
Same bro my pc has had 8gb for far too long it’s starting to cause latency for me
For 2024 I would go with 32gb or above for future proofing
@@Fypeditoris it worth doing that? I have heard that dddr5 is comming soon
@@DarcyTheManstop ddr5 is already out
For fortnite, if you want to benchmark with different specs, you can use the in game replay mode to view previous matches and you can do this to make the circumstances exactly the same between each hardware swap.
Wow big brain actually
Pretty sure replays were down for a week and a half, not sure if they’re back tho lmao
@StronkGamer you’re not wrong, but in a case of comparing different hardware configs that doesn’t really matter
i think the FPS are higher I believe in replay mode
U can also switch settings from performance to all epic for more testing
As soon as I added a second 16gb kit to my existing 16gb, I immediately felt a HUGE difference. WZ started using 16.2 gigs.
That upgrade unleaches 99,99% of games. Exeption : Cities:Skylines that can need 128 GB if you're going nuts with detailing
Mind sharing the rest of your components please
@@Spido68_the_spectator and here I was thinking on getting 64 gigs for cities skylines lmao. How much is a 128 GB one?
@@myvidaloka 64 will allow you to detail even more, but one guy i know is an ultra detailers with 12k assets and 130 mods and he still gets 100 GB of pagefile usage 🤣
@@Spido68_the_spectator so for a normal user we have no need to go that high
For gaming itself, 16gb to 32gb isn't a huge difference, but when you want to stream using stuff like OBS or Streamlabs, or screencap your games and do video editing, the extra ram definitely makes a difference.
If you play warzone you need more then 16gb
@@shiftlimited8363I only have 1 stick of ram. ☠️ guess I’m fucked
Nuh uh. If you are getting warnings or your ram is leaking it's probably the frame that is leaking not the actual ram@@shiftlimited8363
@@shiftlimited8363 no you don't lol i have a MSI laptop 16gb and it runs 200 fps lol
@@shiftlimited8363not rly 16 is enough for wz
Your channel is extremely underrated. You give comprehensive information and reviews. As a beginner in the PC scene, I find every single content you put out very helpful.
Idk about beginner lol when I first started watching him there was a lot of jokes I couldn't understand. Like when he joked about hdr being bad he used sarcasm but I still don't understand if he was saying hdr is good or bad
Testing one game. Very thorough 😂
I did some testing recently, I found that if you don't have much physical RAM, Windows will use virtual RAM from the Page File. If your page file is allocated to an SSD, this has minimal impact; if your page file is on a hard drive, it can be painfully slow.
even on ssd, pagefile will cause studder. if its going to pagefile you are introducing a bottleneck.
This was found to be true by several youtubers who did this same test. Not Enough ram to not force use of pagefile causes performance issues
This will decrease the life expectancy of the SSD
Won't be minimal and all that writing and rewriting on the SSD is gonna wear it out
@@serimar Setting a pagefile will speed up games, windows and load times. I have been doing it for years. When I had 8gb ram I would set a 8gb pagefile now I have 16gb ram and run 16gb pagefile on a M.2 SSD but I just started mining this year when not gaming so you need a pagefile for mining and if you turn the pagefile off a lot of apps will not run or open with no or a low pagefile.
Makes me nostalgic for my first computer - a Timex-Sinclair ZX-81 with a whopping 16Kb (yes, kilobytes) of RAM. It was on an expansion module that plugged into the back and was held on with a velcro strip, that made it a processing monster compared to its onboard 3Kb of RAM.
I don't remember the ram we had, but it was 166mhz, and started with a 2MB GPU and upgraded to a 4MB GPU, lol.
Alright nasa boy
Dudes first computer is older than I am lmao
I remember usb sticks of 32MB. Now you get the same (or even smaller) usb sticks of a couple TB! Even the very small micro sd have 1TB. Like how does that fit on it :o
Wow it means your very old bro
From years (decades) of experience, the simple answer is the fastest RAM your motherboard will support and as much as you can afford. If you can afford to max out your RAM, do it. Windows loves RAM, games love RAM, almost every other application loves RAM. You can never have too much.
@Gamy Auras but bro he didn't mention that RAM Loves more RAM
16GB is all that's really needed currently for the vast majority of gamers. I got 32GB simply because it was only like $10 more during a sale when I was upgrading but I never really use that much.
I'm currently using R5 5600G + DDR4 16GB (2x8) 3600Mhz is that enough for gaming ?
Saving couple months before moving to R7 5800X + RX6650XT.
That's why I always download more RAM from the internet
@@darkerpath That's my current setup as well. Definitely enough if you don't mind turning off a few things, and FSR can literally save you. HOWEVER -- buy your RX6650XT before anything else, specially if your budget is tight. This processor is powerful enough so it won't be a bottleneck, but the iGPU is simply not enough for nowadays.
I recently went from 16gb to 32gb on my 4820k/1070 combo and for 40 dollars I'm very happy with the upgrade. Everything runs smoother, stuttering went away. Rust will use 20gb+, DCS will use nearly 20, Star Citizen benefitted the most, though the RAM did not fix the broken missions.
Rust always crashed now it’s smooth af and haven’t crashed since the 32 gb upgrade
Oh a fellow rust player. Yeah rust loves ram lol
How is rust running on that pc? What settings do you use and what kind of fps u get? Iam planning on bilding pc for rust cuz mine sucks!
Rust is why I'm here lol just went from 8gb to 32bg
@@likizbajke01 With that 4820k and 32 gb ram/ gtx 1070 I would run maxed out at 1080p getting about 48 to 70 fps depending on the map. The extra ram really helped out the 1% lows. I recently swapped the CPU for a used I7-4960x (from Ebay for $140) which increased the average FPS to around 58 to 90. Would recommend that processor if you already have a system running that generation motherboard.
I just went for 32GB, because it's a new build and I intend to use it for the next 6-8 years (AM5 platform, so might upgrade the CPU in the future), plus I found a 2x16GB kit of DDR5 which was only about 30% more than the cheapest 2X8GB kits of same speed and latency.
2x48!!!!!! It is actually only a few hundred. Which doesnt seem to bad. Hahaha. I cant wait for 1x64 and 2x64 to actually be supported by gaming motherboards
16GB minimum and 32GB for future, RAM is cheap (DDR4)
@@A-BYTE94 I run 64 gigs the pc I have I think I built it for a total of 5k or around that number
Yo hit me up in 6-8 years when youre looking to sell your rig 😂
Remember CAS times and row times change (get slower) as more ram sticks are put into the motherboard...That's why if you are going to upgrade ram make sure to use to larger sticks not 4 if possible. You can also mostly forget T1 timing with 4 sticks of ram.
I have two T-Force 32GB 3600 cl14 kits. One white and one black. It works just fine with T1 timing.
this solely depends on your CPU's memory controller capacity.... more channels filled is actually faster. with 4 RAM sticks with an approriate CPU will allow you to run in dual rank which is much more effecient than any 2 DIMM setup.
to add to this, you dont NEED 4 sticks to run ram in dual rank, however you do need a minimum overall memory size of 32GB
32gb is a great purchase especially if you multitask and do video editing, lots of browser tabs. 8-16gb is enough for bare bones a game and maybe a couple background tasks.
so I know im late to this video but if you are curious from my experience...Back in my old PC in May of 2020 I had a Ryzen 7 1700/GTX 1060 6GB/8GB ram. It worked for a lot of different games until I hit CoD2019. I would get small stutters here and there when I would have Chrome/discord/spotify running while MW was running as well. Lots of packet loss as well (never really sure if that was internet based but theres more to the story). SO after buying just another 8GB ram stick for $30 I installed it and my frames were more consistent, No stuttering at all unless it came from my HDD (yes I had an SSD but only 120gb). Also the packet loss was eliminated. I eventually updated to 32 gigs because why not and the ram I had was DDR4 3000mhz so it was cheap. The FPS stayed about the same as well anywhere from 65-130 depending on the map. Just thought i'd share. I have 16GB in my current rig but most likely will be updated to full 32gb. I have a i7 8700k with a 2080. Works well, but eventually i'll upgrade. Not sure why I shared this but just thought it was cool and somewhat helpful for anyone who is budget building.
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When I play Cold War, I'm usually using about 12.5gb of ram. But since I stream Cold War sometimes and I have one window open of Edge, I'm using about 18gb of ram. Having 32gb of ram gives your PC more breathing room for multitasking and you never have a bottleneck with ram.
That's literally what ram is used to do
Nice! I got a gaming laptop and my brother hooked me up with a new SSD as well as 32gb ram. May I ask what graphic card are you using?
@@Skate247allday123 what specs laptop??
@@1hezzi I would definitely recommend gtx 1650 or 1060
@@1hezzi I would go 20 or better I just got thx msi katana 11 gen intel i7 11800h 3050 ti runs wz at 150-160 regular
I’ve had 32gb in my system for years I used to struggle running rust at high settings with 16gb so I upgraded to 32gb checked usage and rust was using 16.4gb
For one of my old computers, upgrading to 16gb was the difference between playable and not playable. I ran out of ram in multiple games and it took me a while to figure out the what caused the crashes :D
Upgrade to 32 and you have so much more space
@@IN-pr3lw step one of upgrading ram: win the lottery 😂
@@jamesdonnelly7194 exactly bro ppl think 32 gb is free
@@Joshg-23 I just got 32 GB RAM today… I upgraded from 8 GB to 32GB can’t wait to see the difference
@@zurfield7226 and how much did it cost?
Also the type of ram can affect your gaming experience. I recently upgraded from 3200mhz to 4000mhz ram and the difference for me has been just substantial.
Or sometimes slower ram for certain X99 CPU's
I’m guessing you’re using Ryzen? What’s the difference in performance it surely can’t be that much unless synthetic benchmarks or you’re using an APU
Yeah the mhz does wonders
Speed not type ediot
@@Shvraz yeah I use ryzen, my rx 6800 and my ryzen 7 3700x were bottlenecked by my slow ram speeds
Starting a PC build project after having a 16GB laptop for 3+ years. I'm putting 64GB of RAM in my build and I know it'll be a massive improvement
You need 8,
16 is the most your gonna need.
32 is for multitasking.
I multi-task with 8 GB, but I think it depends on what you're doing.
@@rotzloffel matter whats open,
16, 32, 64gb makes very little diffrence. I run my current PC with 16gb atm with 30+ chrome tabs (dont know why people think this is a big deal....) 2 games running, music and some work stuff.
I dont notice a lot of diffrence between my 3 systems based on the ram. (very similair in specs just ram diffrence)
I only notice a hugh diffrence when doing graphic design and movie rendering. Thats what my 64 gig system is for. But my previous system that had 32gb ram felt so much slower than my new one. Even if its compareble the same.
Current system, 16gb ram, Ryzen 5 5600x, 3070ti.
Old system, 1080ti, 32gb ram, i9 9900k.
What made a hugh diffrence is what kind of storage i took. My old pc have a samsung 870 ssd on 2tb. But my new one got 2 Samsung 980 pro 1tb. Thats a HUGH diffrence in performance.
And the diffrence in price of a 2tb samsung 870 ssd in my old pc and a 1tb 980 pro?
The 2TB samsung 870 is 300 ish and the 1 980 pro is 200. So its CHEAPER with the 980 pro but its TONS better for the performance of the PC.
I have 8gb, playing valorant and have 2 tabs in firefox RUclips and Facebook.
@@rynldio755 yeah 16gb gb is really the sweet spot to play any game.
Anything above it wont do anything.
Better storage is tons and tons better
The best part of watching Toasty Bros is when one person speaks the other just stares deadly into the camera and nods. Love it! Keep up the good work guys!
It all depends on the game. Most games aren't going to have an issue if you have 16 Gb. I play a ton of 7 Days to Die and it absolutely does utilize more RAM. Last alpha I'd hit 17 Gb RAM in use. A20 has me at 15 Gb RAM in use. And that's not taking into account any collapses or roaming hordes that show up. I have a mod in so the hordes are absolutely massive. The thing is, that if you have bottlenecks elsewhere in the system, you will never see that RAM get used. So, a pc build is still a game of balancing parts. Don't pair a flagship gpu with an extreme budget cpu and don't pair a high end cpu and gpu with 8 Gb of RAM. As long as your parts make sense together, you won't have issues.
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So basically:
8GB: Minimum
16GB: Sweet Spot
32GB: Necessary for certain situations
64GB: Overkill
I bought star citizen and i had 16 gb ram not good neededcat least 32
64gb is defo not overkill. Especially not for citites skylines with 1mil assets
i always say any thing worth doing is worth overdoing ! Overkill is just underestimated imho..32gb and 64gb is butter smooth
in halo or the division, there is no such thing as overkill, only 'open fire' and 'I need to reload'
@@Idunno54 XD
I went with 32 gigs of ddr5 ram on a new build, might add two more after a while but for now this is going to go a long way
The Division 2: 15,5-16GB usage 1440P
Warzone: 14GB and after 2 hours playing 17-18GB
I remember playing Deus Ex: Mankind Divided with 8GB of RAM. Load times longer than a full minute. Upgrading the RAM (and nothing else) dropped the load times by like 80%.
That's the power of dual channel.
I was already on dual channel. Two sticks upgraded to four.
Legit tests showed big performance gains on Ryzen 5000 when using 4 dimms instead of two.
Good to know, but at the time I was on an AMD FX-8320.
32gb does make sense for gaming, I've just upgraded from 16 to 32 and the difference is clearly noticable. Especially for ram intense games and a few browser tabs open.
I find that the only game that has caused a memory issue for me so far was Star Citizen. At 16gb of RAM, it's JUST playable, but not really capable of handling more than the game as my memory is capped the whole time while playing it.
There are a few games I've played that should require more than 16gb of ram for example Cities skyline. 16 gb is a min for that game lol.
@@midnitesnac Agreed. Games like that make sense to have at least 16gb of ram since you rendering a huuuuge map at times haha
@Swag Land 8 GB? OOOOOOOF
Beam NG Drive takes ALOT of RAM. Some maps require 16GB RAM.
Don't feel bad. I've got 64 gigs of memory and Star Citizen is still JUST playable.... Wasted my money on that one MANY years ago....
Upgrading to 32 GB makes sense if you stream and have a lot of things running outside of your game. 32 GB RAM also mean that you don't have to care about how much your apps are spending...everything runs smooth and nice regardless. (If you have a decent CPU & GPU that is)
thats what i did lol
Or if a specific game eats up ram. Cities Skylines with added workshop content cam eat ram like crazy, as much as you throw at it. I have 16G, and I have problems loading too much content. Most tutorial makers for that game have 64 or 128.
But the game will let you load thousands of workshop assets with save games that take 15min to load.
@@peterbelanger4094 yes minimum for cities skylines for me is 32GB. 16GB is not enough if it’s heavily modded or lots of assets
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I changed from 8 to 16 on my pc and it made a huge difference in all games from csgo to cod
It’s crazy I was just about to google this question!
I mainly upgraded the RAM from 16>32gb to reduce caching wear on my NVME drive. Was surprised to find a few games i play started using over 20gb when it was available. So yeh 32 gb isnt ridiculous
I upgraded from 16 and was surprised the difference it made. Rig is much more comfortable.
try setting up Empty Standby Memory
Guys, the more ram you have the better. Doesnt matter what your graphics processor is or what your cpu is. The goal is to simply allow more data through your microprocessor. Dont think too much into it thats what us electrical engineers do. If you typically have alot of windows running, or simply play data saturating programs, then yes get more ram it will not hurt.
So it doesn't matter if the processor is small, or the graphics card is low all u need is to get more ram ?
This is stupid. Unless you have high end gpu and cpu increasing ram makes literally 0 difference. Your processors will bottleneck you hard even if you were to allocate 128gb
@@ManiacalPenguin_ which GPU is best for i7 processor?
@@Abdi-libaax which processor lol tell us the exact model first
@@olayinkaadam8066 that's not even close to what he said why are so many people unable to read properly 💀
I just upgraded some systems in the home to 32gbs and a big part of it was getting a DUAL RANK configuration and less about the extra headroom of more ram. It took 3 tries to finally get a budget $110 2x16gb kit that was DUAL rank. The first two kits were both single rank and were sent back.
I have a quick question, do you need different sized RAM sticks for different computers?
@@mdj.bm7 Each time you purchase RAM sticks you might want to look to see if they are compatible with your DIMM slots on your motherboard. They are the slots that you stick your RAM in. That's the only limitation in choosing RAM.
Your motherboard determines what parts can be used, so if you have a really old motherboard and you want to use the new parts such as DDR5 RAM and the new12th gen Intel Processors then you're gonna need to upgrade the entire computer because the motherboard is the "end-all, be-all" of parts that will determine how fast you can make your computer run.
@@brad4058 I have a 690z motherboard. What ram should I look for?
@@olafharoldsonnii4713 It's been some time since you asked this, but if you still have that same question, the answer will always be: look it up in the manual. If your physical manual does not contain that information, search for one that does online(and always verify the information with more than one source). Typically, motherboards can only have one specific DDR format, so if your RAM is a DDR3, it will NOT fit into a DDR4 or 5 motherboard. There is also a frequency range written in megahertz(mhz), and that will be the RAM speed your MB can read. Last thing(and for the love of god, don't make this mistake or you will have to return the memory), CHECK HOW MUCH RAM EACH SLOT CAN TAKE, and also the total memory the MB will actually read. It's no use having a 16gb stick if your individual MB slot can only read up to 8gb. Same goes for the total gigabytes - if your motherboard max is 16gb, then you will not be able to fit two of those at the same time.
One other benifit of using 32 gigs of ram, it would increase your Drives lifespan by it using less paging and with ssds they have a limit to how many times they can read and write therefore paging will decrease the life span of your ssd, but you can also just use a USB flash drive for paging instead.
I started off with 16gb of ram. Two 8gb sticks. I didn't like the empty slots so I went to 32gb lol!!! it did help with multitasking.
Gotta make things symmetrical. I can relate.
@TERGRAX G Only reason I have 4x8 GB in my MB now...lol
also something to consider is if you are using integrated graphics like on AMD Ryzen 7 5700G if you have 16gb ram then the IGPU will have 8gb of shared memory but if you want to have 16gb of shared memory for the IGPU then you have to have 32gb of ram.
does this include the intel iris xe?
for i5-1135g7
Guys DON'T USE LESS THAN 16GB.
Why
Why
@@joesjanuaryjames545it's not good for gaming. 16gb of Ram is significantly better for gaming and everything else. It's worth it. besides it's not that much money to upgrade it. 👍
@@pekopeko0619_Isn't playing games using vram? I want to upgrade my RAM from 8 to 16GB. My CPU is a lowend Ryzen 3 3200G, is there any change if I add 16 RAM? because some say it all depends on VRam from VGA. Thank You.
Sooo i found out after 3 years of gaming that one ramstick was not put in correctly...lets just sayy i feel feee now😭(i didnt know much about computers just had it build) i got 16 gbs now, no more lags no more troubles.
as much as you can afford , that's how much
if you play games especially , it opens up your gaming world like nothing else really does
objects load in quicker while running through a world , looking around with the mouse feels SO MUCH smoother
and it gives you a bit more depth to your game , a new dimension , if you will
i felt this when i went from 8 to 16 , and i felt it again when going for 32 GB
I upgraded a budget PC from 8gb to 16gb and the micro stutters don't happen as much, and avg fps was more stable. Most games run comfortably around the 10-12gb usage rate. It's also a cheap upgrade to go from 8 to 16 anyways.
with 32 your micro stutters would be non existent... just saying
@youtubeistoogayformycomments I have micro stutters should l upgrade to a 32? Have 16gb
upgrading my laptop to 16 has made such a huge difference I am not kidding when I felt like I had a totally different laptop
it’s still good to upgrade to 32GB. It’s always good to have more if you want to futureproof your pc. If one day you do decide to stream and use your PC for others things besides gaming (which you should), then at least you have the tools handy.
Damn I was trying to get 100 FPS so took it to shop to upgrade too 16 Gb cause I heard 32 wouldn’t help boost it much it goes to like 80 rn wish it were a bit better
just get 16GB kit first then upgrade to 32 when u needed it.
@@Orly-pl4un you should ideally upgrade the graphics card/CPU if you want to achieve a higher frame rate like that
@@Gattberserk just get 32GB to start
Will I still be able to screen record games (not stream) and still maintain high fps with 16gb ram?
not sure why streamers and tech channels don't mention more often that mixing ram kits isn't recommended.. and it's smthg i wish i knew ahead of building my first pc build in over a decade --back in 2018/19 when i built mine. If i had known that beforehand i would've just forked up the extra amount to go straight to 32GB ram instead of simply 16GB ram. You would think it's okay to just add the 16GB ram to the existing 16GB ram i started with..but it's not recommended. So i think this idea should also be noted early on for new PC builders. Not rly disputing many of the pts the video raises but if you think you will end up up-sizing your PC uses/needs.. i would recommend upsizing the RAM at the beginning and save yourself from potential more cost later.
Unless you plan to overclock or tweaking the timing it's very unlikely you'll run into problem. I've been mixing RAM kits the last 10 years and never had any problem.
Video starts at 1:25
Thx
I'd like to see a comparison with faster ram and worse latency vs slower ram with better timings.
You guys rock.
Thank you for making this video.
Hi, Vsauce here. I play stalker 2 on my rig and the specs are:
12th Gen-F i7
RTX3060Ti
16Gb (2x8)
Aaaaaand it runs. Barely. It will technically run, but has a habit of either choking on itself and crashing, or just constantly buffering lag spikes. That is if the shader compilers don't crash 1st.
I indeed need 32Gb, maybe more just to me on the safe side.
Went from 16 gig @266mhg dual channel to 32 gig @360mhz dual.
I benchmarked on Timespy before and after. Original score 11996. New Score 12296.
I have an i9 9900k with a 2080ti.
Now replaced the 2080ti with a 3080ti and it hits just under 17k 👌
U have the dream pc
You are using MSI Afterburner and you aren't displaying the Frame Rate + Frame Times. That is where you will see the differences from 8, 16, & 32 GB. Also don't forget, it's highly dependent on the game and the user's PC. If the user has a ton of side apps loaded, having more RAM helps big time. If the user is using a fresh Windows install and just the game... Well yeah, 8 GB is probably enough but, almost no one runs their rig like that. GTA 5 (12 GB of RAM Recommended) & Read Dead 2, would have been games that would show differences as well. Then there is also the RAM speed that will show differences. All of that stuff is important to take into account and shouldn't have been left out of this video imo.
It's good to see that the 16gb ram I built my rig back in 2016 are still more than adequate today.
My name is Rafael too
Most games don't need more than 16gb at this point. Anything higher is just good for lowering cpu dependency, which is great if you have an older board running a previous generation chipset.
This is my experience running more recent games on an i7-4820k, 16 to 32gb was a great performance booster.
On my 8 year old laptop I made an upgrade from 12gb to 16gb and it made huge difference
Does it run Doom, though?
@@AW-po7jr never tried it I was mostly playing final fantasy xiv on it at that time
My Acer Nitro 5 had two 32GB Rams running that bad boy at 64GB Ram it has never failed me and performance is wow… when I had 16GB Ram a few games ran smooth but time to time went sticky…. This is why I upgraded so high. Never had a problem since
I'm upgrading from 8gb to 64gb so I can feel how much of a difference it makes
Holy shit
Have you looked at how speed affects gaming performance? Perhaps using a single high performance kit and manually clocking the speed and timings to compare?
The speed of the ram is only going to do so much for gaming. The amount of ram is mite important.
@@evacody1249 But once you reach the "that is enough" barrier then speed becomes more useful than additional capacity
When my cousin gifted me my pc he accidentally bought one stick of 16gbs of ram so I had to buy another 16gbs for dual channel
32gb is the sweet spot for me honestly,gives your PC breathing room and doesn't get bottlenecked as a result of ram
Having more ram doesnt fix bottleneck, higher the speed of the sticks the better it is generally.
Tarkov would’ve been a really good game to test. It’s very ram hungry
maybe that’s why i only get like 80-100 frames with a 3060 ti 5600x
@@kidretrofan4713 Tarkov doesn’t run amazing in general
@@kidretrofan4713 I mean if you can afford a 3060 ti you should probably just upgrade to 16GB anyways
I upgraded for 8GB single chanel to 16gb dual chanel cant wait to see the difference because i was having a real bad time with only 8gb single chanel
Thanks for making this video, I just recently bought my parts for my pc and was deciding between 16 and 32gb of ram! 🙂
Go 32 if you rock dual monitors.
@@Collins7.3l Thanks for the suggestion I have currently bought my cpu the i5 11600k and will plan to buy some Corsair vengeance memory.
@@keyan7805 you’re welcome. 32 is great. Even if you don’t encode or anything. Or example. When I used to play Warzone I would be in “downtown” and I would be using like 18-19gb with a RUclips tab open. Msi afterburner. A couple chrome tabs. Discord. Ram cleaner application. (On my second monitor) with the current games I play I run around 15/16ish with the same tabs open. And when I do encode a RUclips video or something. Then I’m using like 24GB. Moral of my argument is. If you love multitasking. Then 32 is absolutely the move from dual monitors.
@@Collins7.3l i thought a higher core cpu would be better for multiple monitors?
@@mikeramos91 no cpu core count matter for work stations. Dual monitors are gpu dependent. I mentioned to have more ram available because you can get carried away with dual monitors. Spotify. RUclips. 5 chrome tabs. Wallpaper engine (moving images). Discord. Msi afterburner (any monitoring software) and who knows what else you may like. Oh and plus your video game. 16Gb is trash these days. It just goes by sooooo quickly. I’m always using 16gb bare minimum all day everyday. If you just want 16gb there’s no point of having dual monitors cuz you’ll probably only have 1 thing open before you’re out of memory. Especially with these demanding triple A titles these days. Best of luck. Let me know what you decide.
Side Note: core counts do matter if you edit (endcode videos) cuz you can share your cpus cores between your game and your encoding program. I’m not 100% sure on how much cores you need if you do that stuff tho. You might have to do your own research im sorry. Since I’m unknowledgeable on end coding.
I generally just keep an eye on how much RAM I normally use. I run a dual monitor setup and pretty much always have something going on using my second monitor. Sometimes I'll even have a second client running (Generally when I'm playing EVE Online). Two PC's ago I was creeping up on 16 gigs pretty regularly. Since then I've been putting 32 gigs in my builds. I don't foresee myself going much higher anytime soon.
same. 16gb isn't enough if you have multi monitors and applications running. I have 2 1080p gaming monitors and plan to upgrade to 32 gb soon.
The problem with 8gb ram is what I notices is that rdr2 and other titles crash in background while adding other 8gb ram (16GB) games strated running smoothly and never crashed after being paused for long time
Galactic Civilizations 3 can use 32GB of RAM. The main reason for 32GB of RAM is performance. 4x8GB of RAM means Dual Rank which gives better performance. This also means that 16GB of RAM is free for the game and the rest for windows.
Meanwhile I’m playing battlefield 1 with 4gb rams. It does lag sometimes so I need to upgrade soon :)
I upgraded to 32gb few weeks ago, because i play a lot of rust, and after upgrading it, i don't have stutters, the frames increased from 100 to 105, not a big difference, but not having stuttering is a huge difference. When i had 16Gb i couldnt open chrome, and discord would make this stuttering worse. So yeah, in rust, is pretty convinient upgrading to 32
the stutters could be paks
Yeah I think I would’ve appreciated you using a better graphics card so that we got more data. Also it would’ve been nice to see what true XMP can do for a system. Not just being stuck at 2666. I mean it’s intel so numbers prob aren’t that different. But would’ve been nice to see.
K procesors can breack those limit, if u have a z490 board. Im on a i7 10700K 2x16 at 3200Mhz. This is the diference, I was able to corroborate it in Warzone a big improvement when I went from 2666 to 3200.
@@wolfoxpc it was six months ago when I made this, but I think my point was that fast ram on Intel boards doesn’t make that much of a difference compared to ram speeds on ryzen
@@codycroosh3073 WTF, a lot MORE of fps and stability from 5800x to a 10700K xDD same mems hahaha. You re doing any wrong.
@@wolfoxpc you’re really trying to say that the 10700k gives u more performance than the 5800x ..? I mean good for you if u found 1 game that can beat the 5800x. But please don’t act like I’m crazy bc You are in the minority on that statement. Stability i can see that. Ryzen seems to be more finicky
@@wolfoxpc u clearly had a f'd up 5800x or u were bottlenecking it and if u had the same memory then you were most likely using 2933mhz or lower which isn't a surprise then if the 5800x was under performing!
Could you do a video to show the performance difference between single, double, triple and quad channel RAM
Running single channel ram always nerfs performance.. Most desktop mobos run dual channel, take advantage of it.
100% agree buy mainly just thinking 8gb 2x4 or 8gb 1x8 cause the single stick is a better option for upgradability in the near future compared to a dual channel setup. When you wanna upgrade, just get another stick that's itentical to your current one
@@brandonbennett7865 if youre looking for that just buy a mobo with 4 slots and get another 2x4 kit, unless you think youll go 32, which i doubt if ur deciding between 1x8 or 2x4.
@@onezeee In my system I have 16gb already. I'm thinking for a first build for someone who just wants a pc and gets a board that only has 2 slots
@@onezeee In my system I have 16gb already. I'm thinking for a first build for someone who just wants a pc and gets a board that only has 2 slots
I don't change laptop for 8 or more years so it's always better to buy the higher specs specially of the price is not that much higher. If you're going to buy laptop in 2023, buy 32 gb and it will still be usable til 2030.
THIS IS IMPORTANT.
If you have a PC with Intel graphics, getting 16GBs of RAM will help you out significantly in games like GTA V.
I have a laptop with the i5 8250U which is a great gaming CPU, however it was bottlenecked by the Intel UHD620 graphics and 8GB RAM.
Initially when you play GTA with 8GB of RAM, you will have no issues until you start moving around a lot and the RAM usage skyrockets, causing painful frame drops and an unplayable experience... 16GB of RAM will be super handy, as you won't need to upgrade your GPU and other components (For budget gamers)
16GB of RAM should be the standard for everyone. You might not need 16GBs initially and most games don't need 16GBs, but you will eventually need it and sometimes you will regret not having it.
8GB of RAM is really only 4 to 5GB when you consider that your PC has other apps running in the background that you can't or shouldnt disable, such as Steam, Rockstar Launcher, system apps and Windows Defender. Those will take up about 3GB of RAM constantly and games like GTA V need roughly 5 to 8GB of RAM, s you'll always be on the limit with 8GBs of RAM.
In other words, having more RAM makes up for the lack of video ram.
Do yourself a favour and upgrade to 16GB.
You'll thank yourself.
Does it run well with mods 🤔
@@YourThighness69 I don't know. I stopped modding the game a few years ago.
I’m looking to get a pc would a gtx660 with 16 ram be good for gaming like iW4x and gta 5
You could've checked the timings being used for each kit in realtime with something like CPU-Z (Memory tab).
great video. Could you all do a break down for the best sim racing computer on a budget? The idea of paying $3500 is tough - do i really need the best? Any suggestions would be awesome!
For budget gaming pcs like that more likely gaming at 1080p, 8gb of ram should be ok. But having really high end gpus usually cranking up everything to max at 4k then having 16gb ram would show a difference.
i disagree with this because windows 10 will use 4gb if you have only 8 and thats just to run they system ... leaving 4gb of ram makes for super poor gaming no matter the video card you use.
Windows uses 4gb by itself, 4gb left to game? Lol maybe minesweeper
I was surprised to hear you can have 8 gigs of ram with an rtx 3090 and its perfectly ok, I have 16 gigs and I thought it was a low amount
Why would you think that? Lol
@@isaiah1927 because I tried it+ according to the video 8 gigs is basically the same fps as 16 gigs
8gb ram with a rtx 3090 u stupid better 16gb
I have recently ordered a new GPU and CPU for myself and I’m waiting for the part to come in. I am going to be a touch interested to see how well this pans out since I am curious about upgrading my RAM to 32 GBs too (currently at 16GB). Either way though, I think I may consider it down the line after I check a few more things, but need to wait for another paycheck or two before I make that leap (already put $400 to upgrade the PC fair sum already).
That and for what was suggested, if I want to stream while playing on PC, that might be a good idea to upgrade.
GG. 32gb is the new 16 these days.
32gb is way better its for multi tasking so having stream opened while on something like warzone or tarkov, if you tried with 16 it would be unplayable
@@Panzer-Toji agree completely
@@iamatlantis1 yeah but if your just playing not streaming or anything just use 16gb 😂
@@Panzer-Toji You still might get a ram bottleneck though depending on which game you're playing if you're using 16gb
I think 16gb is the minimum to have today for AAA/AA video games produced from 2017/2018 to present. I easily surpass 8gb of ddr4 ram on my 4 year old gaming laptop.
If you are building a new gaming pc today I think 32gb is the best option not necessary now but I can only assume it will be better to have.
What is a I want to screen record the games I play?
I am currently using an 8gb gaming laptop for, well, kinda everything, from gaming to studying to watching videos to learning animation, I was gonna upgrade to "only" 16gb but this made me realize I can never survive with anything below 20, this video undoubtedly helped me make a better decision :)
I was gonna upgrade my RAM from 8gb to 16, but decided to go all in and do the 32gb. Best decision I made.
@@NotLikeUs17how significant is the upgrade would you say?
It doesn't actually only depend on the RAM if you want to have more FPS, but on the VRAM of the graphics card, the PCI-Version the motherboard has, with how many lanes the RAM and the graphics card it's connected to the Mainboard, and which DDR-Version the mainboard supports and which speed it has, whether you are using Dual-Channel or not, and so on...
You should do this test again with integrated graphics, both Intel and AMD.
I was expecting you guys to touch more on speeds as well, as they can make a pretty noticable difference
Why does the title say 2023 tf.
clickbait poeple will change the title to match more common searches like people could type something like “best ram for 2023” and this video will show up
the answer to the question is the same 😊
before windows 10, 4GB of RAM was still good, 8GB was the sweet spot for hardcore gaming and multitasking and 16GB or more was luxury or for high end use.
now with windows 10 drawing at least 1.5GB of RAM just on the desktop and modern games needing more RAM than older ones, 8 has become the bare minimum for gaming PCs, 16 is the sweet spot and 32+ is for professional use.
even in terms of core count in CPUs, before a 2 core 4 thread CPU could handle games just fine, but now most games need at least 4, and 6 is the sweet spot for both gaming and some multitasking at the same time, and 8 is more of a luxury.
Fr I have 8gb and just running my pc it use 25-30% and anti malware service doesn't help
This isn't 2015 dude, requirements get higher and higher
With 32GB, windows 10 uses around 4gb ram
this is a good test for people that only have a game open. Pretty much everyone I know has at least discord open which is pretty ram heavy so if you are gonna be gaming with friends this might not be the right guide for you. In my experiences 32 gigs of ram is a minimum if you want to have zero issues no matter what you have open in the background plus ram is very cheap right now so it wont break the bank.
I agree that 32 gigs is a bit much at the moment, but for futureproofing your pc you could go for 32 so you won't need to upgrade too soon
yes, but dont forget the evolution of ram like ddr3 to ddr4 and ddr5. Good idea to get a good amount especially so u can wait to upgrade
I use 64gigs of ram so I never run into a problem if my tasks change along with an i9 9900k processor.
I got 64gb as well & a 10700k. Never have issues with gaming, discord, editing & music all at the same time. Its amazing
why would you run into a problem if you have all of that though.
@@rynldio755 I haven't so far nothing slows down that's what I like
It's the clock rate and how often the mobo interacts with the ram which is the most important. That's like how fast you can bail water out of the boat where as the capacity of ram is like how much water can go into the boat before it starts sinking. If the clock rate is too low then eventually you'll run out of avalibile ram.
I run 32 gigs because I use one of the minus fourm mini pc with amd onboard graphics,my modded skyrim uses up to 16gigs of my ram at times so having the extra ram helps me some
I have 32gb because i can fill all the slots.
@@sopcannon lmao same
I have 16
Thank you a lot I think I'm going to stick with 16GB of RAM because I need a new PC and this one only has 3GB of RAM so thank you for telling me how I might want to do this as a RUclipsr thank you a lot!😊
3 years age i had a custom gaming pc built up to my specs. Since i was under budget i decided to get 128 GB of Rams to test how much rams each game can take. The idea was to test the 128 GB the remove some of it icn case of performance issues. The Maximum usage from a software was 36 gb and it was from msfs 2020 running with a minimum amount of addons. The other games that i play generally take less than 32 Gb but a lot of them are close or a bit above the 32 Gb. and on the performance issues, no remarquable difference, so i still run with 128 Gb of rams.
Me who has always played on console and didn't know games could exist above 60fps
With TVs coming out at higher refresh rates I can see that changing
If you want to save your SSD from tons of swap thrashing and early death, 16GB minimum.
I'm using 16gb, dual channel 2400mhz and I'm pretty much okay with my games. Unless you do photo/video or audio production, you'll be pretty much very good with 16Gb of ram.
12,16 is minimum for a great gaming experience
You have a 4gb ram and 8gb ram?
@@thegamingbird101yeah and I also have three sticks of 4gb ram
I do have 12gb..haha. 4gb and 8gb on my ryzen laptop. I only play nba 2k21 and cities skylines so it works for me. At least for now. In the future, i would want to build a mid budget pc.
@@thegamingbird101 I have too
4X3
I have 16gb
I think if u used a motherboard that supported 3200mhz, the 16gb and 32gb would make more of a difference
Getting two Corsair Dominator Platinums, 32gb, white. So excited.
RAM stands for random-access memory.