The Loom Of Fate - A New Reality (Genshin Impact 4.7)
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- Опубликовано: 6 июл 2024
- Hello everybody!
Genshin Impact version 4.7 was incredibly good! We got a few answers we needed and we learned a whole lot about Khaenri'ah and its Sinners and the Loom of Fate.
We will analyze every single detail from Dainsleif's new quest to try to figure out what the Abyss Order is trying to achieve, but not just them!
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0:00 - Intro and Disclaimers
0:45 - Caribert 3.5
2:11 - Caribert 4.7
4:00 - Operation Loom of Fate
6:11 - A New Irminsul
8:24 - The Bedtime Story
9:28 - Kaeya
10:53 - The Sinners
20:14 - Lumine
22:05 - Heavenly Principles
22:44 - The Name Aether
24:13 - King of the Abyss
24:52 - Sea of Flowers at the End
26:18 - Outro
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Alice is the leader of a group of world class witches, and even one of the sinners of Khaneriah….
Let that sink in
Yeah, Alice is on another level... I do hope we'll meet her soon!
18:38 I’d like to add that in Portuguese the Vinster King was translated to “rei do eclipse” which means “eclipse king”.
Oh that's even better! I tried to look for a RUclips video of the quest in Portuguese, but I couldn't find it... But thanks!
That could refer to the Eclipse Dynasty the same dynasty of khaenriah that Arlecchino was born into. As far as I understand the abyss order and Arlecchinos intentions with the Hearth are aligned. My interpretation of her talking about Lyney was that she imagines him to be a future king of her dynasty. Her allegiance is not to the Fatui she plans to swoop in with her soldiers and start a second Crimson Moon Dynasty. Hoyo always choses words very very carefully and she says that Lyney does not lack conviction she may be able to transfer her power to Lyney he is also a pyro wielder, when he comes back only confirms that he is committed to the cause for real.
Arlecchino knows that Tsaritsa used her but she is still in debt to her all the same for not getting the death penalty as such she compromised and raised orphans so they get a better life than she had. But that is not her goals who she is today is not the same person. She has left the past behind which is evident with how she thinks about Clervie. Since Arlecchino can't really remember her true origin she is an ashen shadow herself which is the title on her banner. She gravitates to Neuvilette because he was in a similar boat I really don't think they dislike each other but Neuvilette knows the Fatui are bad business for Fontaine.
@@alexanderericson8628 I highly doubt Arlecchino is even remotely thinking about starting a second Crimson Moon Dynasty, something she doesn't even really know about, nor that she would even curse Lyney with her powers just to make him a "king to her dynasty", nor that Lyney can even get her powers, since he isn't a descendant of the Crimson Moon.
What she wants, is to keep helping orphaned children, and Lyney is going to be her successor, not as a Harbinger but as a Father. Her only true allegiance is to her kids, so yeah, she's going to mess the Fatui up real good, but that's because they want to use her children as expendable pieces to complete Project Stuzha
@@ShadowX5452GamingNo she said she is going to swoop in when Tsaritsa fails with her little experiment. Pay attention to what she actually says, and she mentions Moon. I don't have her exact words but I know she talks about what she really plans on doing when Project Stuzha fails. Trying to find that conversation now so I can quote her exact words.
Found it " A Crimson Moon shall rise amid the frigid blizzards of winter no demonstration of loyalty shall go unrewarded" Still sure of yourself?
If we meet as friend of foe doesn't matter to me, but I will remember our camaraderie.
@@alexanderericson8628 maybe try to quote the entire context next time.
She says that if the cowardly businessmen and heartless dignitaries, so Pantalone and Pulcinella, try to bring them, the house of the hearth, down, then she will take action against them, and they will see a crimson moon, so Arlecchino herself, not the dinasty, rise in the frigid blizzards of winter.
Lyney decided to stay and Arlecchino welcomed his decision, because his goal is to "protect the family at all costs". This is the demonstration of loyalty that shall not go unrewarded.
But then again, believe what you wish
The thing you mentioned about ppl not being able to remember travelers name is interesting. Right after you said we had an affect on the worldso we cant be forgotten but it has been my theory ever since Scaramouches quest that all of our deeds will be attributed to the characters in the travail for each nation if we were ever deleted. If we truly aren't being recorded then it may already be attributing it them.
That makes sense, it wouldn't surprise me
That would be the worst ending for me, I don't like when the person who saves the world, has to be forgotten for it to happen, but it is, indeed, a possibility. It would explain why we saw those people in the Travail video
Dude. Given what the kind of People are in the CN Gacha Community.
They will be so angry if there Waifus Forgot them.
You are basically Saying in Yoimiya Story Quest, She wont remember Traveller holding her.
In Ayaka story quest she wont remember us Confiding with her.
Donyou seriously want to tell every Gacha gamer there Waifus will Forget them?
@@ShadowX5452GamingLook up Girls front Line Controversy. They will not Erase travellers Achievements and there Time with there Waifus. They will not erase Yoimiya, Ayaka, Shenhe, etc Memories with us.
@@silverhawkscape2677 what did I just read? There are things that, honestly, defy my comprehension...
There is more going on with Kaeya. His Hang out quest these usually say nothing at all but his doesn't. The theatre he is participating in is about a king that refuses to share power. Later you can participate in a game were Kaeya knows what is going to happen. Both quests heavily suggest that Kaeya knows the future and him flipping a coin is how that future is going to unfold. How much Kaeya knows is unknown.
I think him having a death on the afternoon cocktail is not missed on anyone either that must have been the time Khaenri'ah fell. He is gently making Dainsleif know that he is aware of what he is doing.
Regarding the name Lumine reminds Aether of his name so he won't forget it, as she has, I think that is the reason why she lost her descender status it's been said earlier in the game that a true name holds power Xiao's name is not Xiao. She is concerned that he is next. This idea that Lumine is evil I am not buying and I really don't think Hoyo want's to take the story that way. She told Aether the truth when she is sure nobody can listen in to protect him not the other way around.
I suppose I should really start playing the hangout events.... But this seems kinda interesting. I mean, from what you said, it feels like Kaeya gets to decide how the future goes, and that would imply that he's the one capable of using the Loom of Fate and rule over destiny....
@@ShadowX5452Gaming Yes please play that quest I know you will find a lot of hidden meaning I think they might have gone to far even.
do you think that hangout quest could be foreshadowing kaeya taking control of the loom of fate in the future?
Doesn’t he also say “all the worlds a stage and all the people players” in the same hangout? Like I know it’s a reference to Shakespeare but this literally came out the patch before Fontaine
@@rish77778 I think that is a possibility and I think Dainsleif knows about it, there is a tension between Kaeya and Dainsleif when they meet in Sumeru a lot of things are going on outside of our knowledge they are spying on each other. I think he came to Mondstadt to investigate who Kaeya is. Kaeya's constellation is "true blood" He also has one eye covered like a certain Irmin/Odin did.
The whole thing with kaeya, I dont think he was directly related to clothar, there were more alberich's in khaenriah, likely he's just related to anfortas which could well have been clothar's brother.
Then why would Dainsleif tell him he's a "descendant of the abyss order's founder"? It's not like he didn't know Anfortas, I mean he was a soldier just like him. If you're talking about someone descending from someone else, you don't really talk about anyone other than a direct ancestor, someone who caused them to be born through generations
Given that Clothar was a nobleman and Khanre'an aristocrary is focused on bloodline purity, its likely he had an arranged marriage and legitimate heirs only for his mistress and bastard son discovered. Kaeya would descend from the line of the legitimate son in that case
@@yamakaze951 Given the time descrepancy (some 500 years) all sorts of family tree could "above" kaeya.
Clothar supposedly got his curse removed (from verdofnir?) so he could have fathered a second son after caribert before he passed himself.
One thing that i question is Kaeya eyes now. Like in the Caribert quest the way he talks about pure bloods eyes make it seem like his eyes look different because he’s a halfblood, but so is Caribert and yes he did model how he looked like after his father, wouldn’t he as an 8 year old remember what his own eyes look like? Idk why I find it so weird
O think it depends on how diluted the Khaenri'ahn blood is. Haldan is another example of a half-blood, and he has the diamond pupils. Kaeya is the result of a lot of generations, so his eyes are slightly Khaenri'ahn, he had small diamond pupils that almost look like normal ones.
@@ShadowX5452Gaminghmm that makes sense. Also I just had a thought but do you think the Dandelion sea might be an allegory for the sea of flowers? Because both might not exist and for some reason Mondstadt has a lot of foreshadowing for other story points.
@@BlueDaisy33 it could be. I mean, it's a fantasy flower field as well, so maybe someone reached it once, before Lumine, and turned it into a fairytale, and that person found Dandelions. At this point, everything is possible...
You nailed Lumine she doesnt make sense
She whines because Dain couldnt 1v9 archons all the monsters and celestia, but is working together with the Sinner who let the khaneriah burn?????
Yeah, Lumine is the classic player you find in Valorant as a random. They all die instantly, and then blame you, the only one still alive, for not acing!!! XD
Not being recorded by Irminsul might have something to do with Aether's status as a Descender, it's his will that stops Irminsul from doing its thing. Also, I think getting recorded in Irminsul has many more implications, it's not simply a ledger, its primary function seems to be keeping souls on Teyvat and writing their fate.
But why is the sibling recorded did they sacrifice her descender status somehow in Khaenri'ah. Or is it her that has forgotten her name and keeps reminding Aether of his name so it won't happen to him.
@@alexanderericson8628 Lumine was never a Descender, she's just an outlander. What makes a Descender is having the will greater than an entire world.
@@VeraldoAncodini Yeah I don't think that is accurate Nahida is surprised that she has no descender status both are supposed to be descenders. She has none NOW but that is because they both lost their vision their true purpose. The Aranara tells the traveller that looking for his sibling is not a real will strong enough to do anything. They seem to either not want to identify Paimon but insists on calling her "White-Floaty" this implies that Paimon is not part of Theyvat at all. I heavily suspect that Arlecchino is a descender she just doesn't know it and her will is currently stronger than that of the traveller because she has no doubts what she wants to do.
@@alexanderericson8628 No, it's very well established that only Aether is a Descender.
Yeah Nahida was surprised because she thought at first that both of them are, but soon realized that's not the case. It's extremely rare for outlanders to also be Descenders anyway.
What do you mean by vision? The Twins never had elemental Visions.
Yeah, we know Paimon is from Celestia.
Arlecchino might be descended from outlanders, but she's not a Descender. Raw power and the willpower to change an entire world are two different things. Right now Aether can easily get beaten by many characters in Teyvat, that doesn't make them Descenders, because they don't have the will necessary to change the entire world.
@@VeraldoAncodini Aranara comments that the traveller don't have a vision and then suggests that maybe they haven't found what they truly want. Aranaras are supposed to be beyond ancient. I am not sure you are accurate you seem very sure of yourself. Nahida is surprised because Lumine is supposed to be a descender. I think the BP cut scene shows her losing her descender status by becoming the abyssal queen. It means she lost her descender status not that she never had one, those are different things. Yeah well if they lose their purpose and name maybe they also lose the descender status and would be the reason why Lumine always calls Aether, Aether because she is afraid he also is going to be trapped the way she is now. I don't think Lumine cares about Theyvat at all only to save her brother and if giving up her descender status somehow helped her with that she would do that in a heartbeat. The reason why Lumine is looking so sad on her journey is because she has lost her sense of self while Aethers path is the opposite almost.
Lumine has never explained her understanding of Theyvat and I can guarantee that it's very different than the archons or Dainsleif. Hoyo is currently teasing that conversation she said something that was muffled while the world was disappearing. Possibly because she is afraid who else might be listening and since the Sinner most likely took the picture of them she is not wrong.
about the abyss order and fatui collusion, i personally dont think they are working together, but their objectives are the same, so what one organization does ends up benefitting the other. great video as usual!
It could be, although the Osial thing is too much of a coincidence. I could explain Scaramouche, because if a mechanized god is needed to defy fate, then Pierro would try the same, but why waking up Osial, the one God the abyss wanted? I guess we will see!
And thank you, I'm happy you liked the video!!! XD
okay this is actually onto something
I always found it weird that abussy's plans and the fatui's never came across each other's path but always seemed to be complementary to each other's
Maybe, when we'll get to Snezhnaya, the Archon quest and Pierro's quest will basically merge and everything we've experienced will converge into a new and unique kind of quest. That would be really nice!
wow less than half in and theres already so much more to this quest than i thought thank you so much for explaining the quest needed this
I'm happy I could help!!! XD
your contents makes Genshin more deep and food for the mind.... i just simply enjoy your contents
Thank you so much!!! That's the whole point of this channel, share ideas, give the viewers food for thought and discuss our theories! XD
Oooh, im chilled, you talking in spanish XD.
Also Shadow i wanted to comment you a fun fact about the sinners. It reminds me a lot to the 5 fingers of God Hand from Berserk, their main emblen is an Eclipse, and Dainsleif could be a mix of Guts and Gaiseric in his search of vengeance.
I did study Spanish for a bit at university XD
I basically removed everything about Berserk from my memories. I watched the anime and I honestly didn't really like it, or better yet, I liked it up to a certain point, then everything went down... But yeah, Dainsleif kinda feels like Guts, and the 5 fingers of God Hand could be an inspiration. The devs did take a lot from anime and manga, so I wouldn't be surprised
@@ShadowX5452Gaming Sadly, Berserk is best read with the manga. I just watched the movies and then i read the whole manga, for me was perfect. I watched the other animes of after but an horror.
9:30 remember that 'descendant' doesn't *necessarily* means direct offspring. It can also refer to someone related through siblings. My theory is that Kaeya is a descendant of Anfortas Alberich, the Marshal of the Schwanenritter and the one taking over Khaenri'ahn rule after Irmin became indisposed. Since both Anfortas and Chlothar are Alberichs, there's a high likelihood they were brothers or cousins, in other words directly related. Anfortas has a LOT of similarities to Charles Martel, who is the grandfather of Charlemagne, making Kaeya the Genshin version of Charlemagne himself, who *united all the Frankish kingdoms* and became Emperor of the Frankish Empire.
This would make Kaeya ALSO directly related to Chlothar, just one step removed through Anfortas.
Thats exactly what I was about to say
I'm starting to understand that many don't really know what a descendant really means, considering how many identical replies I've been leaving.
Oxford Dictionary, descendant: a person, plant, or animal that is descended from a particular ancestor.
If like to highlight "from a particular ancestor", because that's what a descendant is. It's the direct line from one ancestor to the descender, the brothers or cousins or whatever, they mean nothing when it comes to being a descendant, you don't descend from them.
Furthermore, why would Dainsleif, the Twilight Sword, one of the highest ranking soldiers of Khaenri'ah, tell Kaeya that he's a descendant of Chlothar when he certainly knows Anfortas way better, since he's another high ranking soldier, one who even became the reagent of Khaenri'ah?
@@Sacration maybe look up the definition of descendant? If I'd known, I would have added it to the video...
@@ShadowX5452Gaming Because Anfortas disappeared somewhere in Sumeru after the Cataclysm. Chlothar is the only Alberich that has surfaced in Dainsleif's affairs with the Abyss Order after the Cataclysm.
Obviously you are technically correct definition-wise, but as you said in the video, we can't really connect Chlothar and Kaeya in any way unless he is indeed his descendant through a pureblood arranged marriage prior to the Cataclysm. Anfortas is a 'safer' option and as I said, would make more sense thematically. But we'll have to see what info we get about Kaeya later in the game, if we ever will.
Thanks for the video, aahhh I want to know more about kaeya and I'm not native english speaker but I found out about "collateral descendant"
after reading the wiki page about alberich clan
"Interestingly, the Alberich Clan history Kaeya was taught as a child - or at least, the part he secretly saved, as the present-day Alberich Clan does not keep written records of their affairs - emphasizes Anfortas' role in the clan's history, although it is currently impossible to determine the relationship between Anfortas and Chlothar, nor does Dainsleif indicate whether Kaeya is a lineal or collateral descendant of Chlothar's."
Thank you, I'm happy you liked the video!!
So, apart from the fact that I haven't even heard of a collateral descendant before, I don't think he is.
The reason is simple: Dainsleif was one of the highest ranking soldiers of Khaenri'ah, so he most likely knew Anfortas way better than he knew Chlothar, at least back in Khaenri'ah.
At the beginning of that quest, the Abyss Order wasn't the main topic of the conversation, so Dainsleif would have probably said "descendant of the last regent of Khaenri'ah" rather than "descendant of the Abyss Order Founder". More specifically, apart from English, in the other languages, Kaeya is "THE descendant", which point to a linear descendant more than a collateral one.
Lastly, we don't know what happened to Anfortas, we only know he got cursed, and cursed people can't possibly have children, let alone a whole family tree post cataclysm, otherwise what's the point of the curse? OK the other hand, Chlothar managed to lift his own curse, so he was more likely to have other children or genetically engineer clones of Caribert, the only person who was able to wield the Loom of Fate, Chlothar's goal, in order to create a child who was capable of using the Loom of Fate at full capacity, since it clearly needs someone to operate it.
So, I still believe my theory could make more sense than Kaeya being a descendant of Anfortas. Of course, the fact that Kaeya uses an eyepatch like "his grandfather" seems to point to Anfortas, but then again, Kaeya wouldn't be connected to the Abyss Order and it wouldn't make sense for him to be the only hope of Khaenri'ah....
Also maybe im delusional but Raiden Shogun is very important to this game. Im sure of it and everyone will see very soon
Oh no, she is going to be important. She's been saying important things since her first appearance, and they're all coming back
17:14 is hard to believe. The sages of Khaenri’ah specifically didn’t listen to Pierro, and in the Pale Flame artifact set Pierro set up the Harbingers to fight both Celestia and the Abyss. If Pierro was one of the “sinners,” then why would he say that the sages didn’t listen to him when he warned them of the Cataclysm, when Dain specifically said the “sinners” didn’t do anything to save Khaenri’ah? Hroptatyr in Norse mythology is a title of Odin, the one-eyed God. Pierro isn’t a god, he’s more of a scholar / lesser sage in Khaenri’ah
Dainsleif said that the sinners were people who should have stopped the king, that they were trying to do it with also Dainsleif, but then they couldn't resist the power of the abyss, they weren't always trying to acquire those powers. Pierro was against what the sages were doing, so if he changed idea afterwards, it would fit what Dainsleif said.
As for Odin, we don't really know Pierro, we just saw him ones and he was mentioned in the game like two or three times. If he's one of the sinners then he became a transcendent one just like the others, which means a sort of God. I mean, would we have defined Rhinedottir as a goddess before Dainsleif talked about the sinners? We only knew she was a witch and an outstanding alchemist...
9:30 I'd assume that perhaps... maybe... Chlothar simply wasn't an only child, so he wouldn't be Kaeya's great great great great great grandfather, but you know, uncle instead. Pretty sure one's uncle would still be their ancestor.
Well, yes, an uncle would be an ancestor, but Kaeya wouldn't be his descendant as Dainsleif said. A descendant is directly connected to the person, so the great great great (I don't know how many) grandfather
Or maybe Caribert wasn't an only child... but we don't have enough info on Clothar's life to know for sure. However, the 2 musketeers event story is coming to mind right now for some reason...
@@captaindanger13 but if Caribert had a sibling, then that sibling would have been cursed just like him. For now, I kinda feel like the Honkai Impact route with cloning Caribert to fine tune his ability to wield the Loom of Fate, could be an actual option, we just have to wait and see, hopefully before 5.8 because waiting a whole year would be bad... If the answer is even given to us in Dainsleif's next quest, that is....
@@ShadowX5452Gaming I mean, I'm not an english major but I'm thinking ancestor and descendant are describing the same level of relation between people, and are just different in the timeline.
I think historically speaking you're right that it used to refer to a specific anscestor but it's more broadly used now.
Might be worth to look into how other languages have worded that honestly.
@@ShadowX5452Gaming I mean, Chlothar could've had a Khaenri'ahn wife before no? Like it wouldn't be too wild for him to have had some loveless arranged marriage before actually falling in love with a Mondstadtian woman
I do agree that the abyss plans are weirdly coinciding with the Fatuis operations, Pierro is more and more sus.
As for Lumine It's not really surprising that she know about the divine throne, bc a character is not there doesn't mean he can't know, especially if she's in touch with that ''Visionary''.
Also the HP are sleeping for sure, as she said to many blasphems happened and they didn't do anything. Gnosis getting gathered in one place (when 2 important peoples said that gathering them will bring misfortune). A man-made god and finally a divine throne destroyed, each time was crazier than the last, it's not really a theory at this point.
About the name however I'm still confused, Paimon was definitely there when Lumine tell it and she heard it. If not she would have ask something like ''what did she say''. And the traveler only use the name we gave him, he never once try to give the name Aether so obviously no one going to call him that. We'll have to wait bc it's strange Indeed
Yeah, I think they are slowly building things up for when we'll get to Snezhnaya, or even Natlan since Capitano should be the first of the Fatui Harbingers. Now more than ever, I want to know what he has to say about Pierro, although I don't think he'll be playable, sadly...
The visionary could, indeed, explain why Lumine knows things Aether didn't even see with his own eyes, but then it would really mean that Vedrfolnir has some absurd powers, almost on par with the Heavenly Principles. But then again, someone obfuscated Lumine's end of the journey from Irminsul itself, so...
I don't know about the Heavenly Principles, it sounds too convenient and easy that they are sleeping. Why would they be sleeping? Are we slowly hinting at Venti going to sleep for centuries for no reason? Because that what it always sounds to me... Could it be that everything that is happening, even the destruction of the Divine Throne, was something that was meant to be, so nothing has really gone against the rules of Teyvat? Could it be that the people, Lumine included, don't really understand what the rules really are? I mean, they took action when a world-shattering event happened, so maybe they don't act unless the entire world is at stake? It would be a twist, like "you thought you did something fate-defying, but long have I forseen it".
As for the name.... Well, if I'm right, then Paimon didn't really hear Lumine saying anything, she just moved her lips from her perspective. Aether may have tried to introduce himself to people before fishing Paimon, and he realized no one was capable of understanding his name, so he gave up and came up with a different name that the people would remember. I'm so into this name thing right now, I hope they'll bring it up again soon!!!
@@ShadowX5452Gaming I would have agree with the name thing but the problem is, we choose the name before starting the journey. If it was for example during the first chat with Amber I would have agree but we already choose when fighting Susty so I don't believe traveler tried to use it anywhere so when he said that Lumine is the only one calling him that it's weird. And Paimon is annoying but she not stupid, I think she would have ask if Lumine had talked and she didn't heard
The HP are not sleeping conveniently, we heard multiple times, it's since after the cataclysm that they didn't make any moves. And since the cataclysm nothing major happened before we started our journey. And from the writing of genshin so far they doesn't lie, only omitting things.
Like when we heard that the only OG Archon remaining are Venti and Zhongli. So far it's true, even if Ei was around she was not the Archon. Nahida, Focalor, each case was different but never goes against that one info we got since Liyue
@@hirods9889 I mean, the moment we picked the name was a gameplay thing more than a lore one, because we needed to choose which sibling was caught first, so they gave us the chance to pick the name there. I think that 90% of what happens in the game is lore related and 10% is pure game mechanics, and this is part of the 10%.
As for Paimon... She is sus, she knows things she shouldn't know, she even remarked about Vedrfolnir with Skirk, she didn't say a thing because she probably knows why she didn't hear that name. Let's not forget how sus she is and the fact that she has a demon name XD
I mean, yeah, it could be that they're actually sleeping, but it's still a very weird thing. Did they exhaust all of their powers in Khaenri'ah and are waiting to just awake again? There must be something else that we don't know, I can't really see some beings that are supposed to rule over an entire world, depleting their entire powers and fall asleep for 500 years just like that. But, alas, it's still too early to know. We still don't even have a hint at what the Heavenly Principles may even be, apart from being some sort of entity.... Natlan, please, give us something!
@@ShadowX5452Gaming yes Paimon is sus but I'm 100% sure sure unable to play comedy that well. She can be a spy of celestia or the HP themselves but she herself would not even aware of it.
If she is playing then she got me fooled
As for kaenri'ah, everyone knows about the Archon war but still put the cataclysm as a severer event than that. (Which is a bit crazy imo) and while we seem to know what have happened we actually don't know that much.
We know key figures, the parties involved but beside that, the why it started and the it got stoped still eluded us.
@@hirods9889 I think Paimon is well aware of things, she's not dumb, she's playing it. It all started from her saying that Scaramouche finally got his usual hideous attitude, when she wasn't supposed to even know how hideous he usually was... And let's not forget how she can speak underwater in Fontaine, even though that's something only vision holders can do, or that she could see Nahida in the Samsara, something only those blessed with the power of Dendro could.........
As for Khaenri'ah, I think people consider the cataclysm as something worse than the Archon War, because it's closer in time and the consequences are still there, while the Archon War is so old, that all you see, is the nation's ruled by the Archons, so it doesn't feel like something bad.
But yeah, we still don't have enough. We just know that the Khaenri'ahns wanted to use powers from beyond the sky, but why? Where did they know about them? How did they learn how to use them and what for? Too many unanswered questions...
Great video as usual!
I also like you feels like Lumine is so hypocritical and she knows it.
As for Kaeya, this dude is sus asf, he knows things im sure of it. Idk if if manipulate fate or see the future but he knows things.
In early game talking about his grandfather found a sword that came from the stars/heavens and then talk about what the grandfather slayed in his life : Abyssal dragon, 4 headed hydra and a silver banshee.
Exactly the type of creatures will fight in the futur.
Abyssal dragon could refers to Childe Foul legacy
The hydra is obviously Osial
And the silver banshee (type of witche) is La Signora.
And im not even talking about his voiceline "Khaenri'ha was destroyed and only the sinners remain" or his hangouts who do alot of allusions to Celestia and Khaenri'ha.
Also the fact that Kaeya loves fischl and always make comparisons about both being royalties of distant lands... (I have a whole theory about those 2 but I will stop for now)
Btw Descendant dont always meaning directly tho and often includes brothers, cousins etc...
Kaeya like is linked to Anfortas Alberich.
Also will you talking about the fact that Genshin are doing a lot of Odin Analogs with Khaenri'hans ?
Irmin (one eyed)
Hroptatyr
Rerir to some extent
Kaeya (one eyed covered)
Pierro (one eyed covered)
Fischl (one eyed)
Anfortas (lose an eye a bit after taking regency)
NotaBene:
Pay attention to Dainsleif when he talks about the 5 sinners.
The wise (close up on the eye)
The visionary (his face, his kin but als 2 eyes (vision))
Gold (look to the river)
The foul (the sky, likely in space with his star beast pet)
Rächer of solnari (the Moon, yk a moon hunter)
This might also explain what the abyss mage said about the book "Pale Princess and the six pygmies" in Lisa story quest.
"A secret related to the abyss" If u already read it the similarities are uncanny
I do need to check Kaeya all over again, because I don't remember a lot of things, and I never played his hangout event, so I'll have to do that too....
As for Descendant, in the Oxford Dictionary, it is a person, plant or animal that is descended from a particular ancestor, so despite how people decided to use it to mean anyone who had any kind of blood relationship with a person, it officially means someone who descended from a specific person, so saying that Kaeya is a descendant of Chlothar, it means that he comes directly from a family tree that begins with Chlothar himself. The same goes for my own language, in which we don't have the liberty of including anyone in the lineage but just the direct ancestors, not their brothers and sisters.
Also, if he was a descendant of Anfortas, Dainsleif would have said his name, not Chlothar's. It wouldn't make sense to name him instead of Anfortas, especially since Dainsleif probably knows Anfortas way better than Chlothar, since they were both soldiers of Khaenri'ah with high ranks. I think Anfortas is the great uncle, to be honest, or it could even be that Anfortas was Chlothar's father, who knows? We don't really know how old he was, really...
There are a lot of references to Odin, but then again, Khaenri'ah is about Norse mythology. Fischl is the odd one out, though....
As for Dainsleif's poses, yeah, it feels strange. Hroptatyr, so Odin, has one eye, so that fits. Vedrfolnir is his brother, so Dainsleif's face. Gold the river like in Wagner's opera, Surtalogi in the sky because he probably specializes in the universe at this point, not just the Primordial Sea, and Rerir has to do with the moon. Nothing in this game is random, this confirms it.
As for the pale princess, I do remember reading it, but I don't remember if it's the one that were still waiting for the whole book to be officially released (although it has been leaked for a long time). If it's that one, then I only read the released parts, because I don't want to read the leaked ones.
I wonder if the Albreich clan had more branches than just Clothar (ie. he had brothers or sisters (who kept the name) and they had children who eventually resulted in Kaeya)
The thing is that, when it comes to descendants, by definition, siblings or cousins have nothing to do with it. If Dainsleif said that Kayea is a descendant of Chlothar, that "descendant" means that Chlothar was his great great (how don't know how many great) grandfather.
A descendant is someone who "derives" from a specific person, not their siblings, it's the straight line that goes from that specific ancestor to that descendant that counts.
@@ShadowX5452Gaming true.. I wonder if Clothar had “legitimate” children before Caribert and then that would make Kaeya a direct descendant of Clothar (although time shenanigans/clones are not unheard of in Teyvat)
Last bit about the flower field makes me think the traveller is not real at all just a copy/wish of Lumine… maybe Aether died and shes not ready to face it
I don't think so and I definitely hope that's not the case either. They seem to be telling us that Teyvat is not an actual reality, so I guess that's the one thing that doesn't really exist
If I'm not mistaken, Caribert was the result of an affair Clothar had with a non-Khaenri'ahn woman. Considering that he was part of noblity, I like to imagine he had a political marriage and 'pure-blooded' offspring as well. Kaeya could very well be the descendent of one of Caribert's half-siblings.
Apart from the fact that he did have a wife, it was an arranged marriage that he disliked, he told us that, if he had a child with his noble wife, then this kid would have been a pure-blood Khaenri'ahn, he would have the curse of immortality. As a consequence, how did he have children? That's why I think they're going the "clone" route, and Kaeya is the result of a family tree that started with one of Caribert's clones, in order to fine tune his ability to control the Loom of Fate, until they got a descendant who could wield it at full power. I guess we'll have to wait and see!
Lumine could learn about the throne from the Sinner? He is the visionary.
Yes, but if that was a corner where the gods' gaze does not fall, meaning that Celestia couldn't see what was going on there, how did Vedrfolnir see instead? Wouldn't that make him more powerful than the Heavenly Principles?
Idk about being stronger than Celestia, but if they gained the power from beyond Teyvat, the rules of this world dont apply to them. Either that or an oversight by the devs lol
Didn't pierro said he wasn't able to convince the king because he was not one of the sage?
Yes, but the sinners were outstanding people who were against what Irmin was doing, but then they couldn't resist the power of the abyss, so the same could have happened to Pierro as well, since he wants to rewrite the rules of destiny, which is basically the goal of the Abyss Order, especially with the Loom of Fate
i mean, what else could it do if not simply change reality? i don't think there are any other ways to do what abyss order wants to do
I don't think I'm following, so I don't know what to reply. Who or what is the subject of your post?
@@ShadowX5452Gaming i'm saying if the sibling wants to "revive the homeland" via the loom of fate and their enemy (celestia) is so powerful that they can control, for example, fate and time (istaroth, even if it doesn't count as part of celestia anymore), then the loom of fate gotta do something very fundamental and grand, so i think it will in some form simply change reality
@@danita122 the problem with that is that the Loom can't expand nor replace the pre-existing ley lines, which means that it can't edit the current reality, which would be the only way to change fate.
If you grow another Irminsul that follows a different set of rules, and you get rid of the only one, then you would have a new reality, one you can change as you wish, because you decide how it's going to work.
Remember what we learned in Remuria: fate is the result of one person's decisions together with everybody else's decisions, and these decisions can be made because of Fortuna, the laws of the world, what allows you to do something and prevents you from doing something else. Decisions can only be made based on life experience, which is what makes you who you are. Life experience is you knowledge, so your memories.
The Ley Lines and Irminsul work with those memories, and they follow the rules of Teyvat. But if you send those memories to another Irminsul with different laws, fate will be different. People will be allowed to make different decisions, ones that weren't allowed according to the current laws.
Hey Shadow! nice video as always dude!. But first of all, I just wanted to say that some comments there are unnecessary rude, like what the heck?!. Why should you apologize for something you've done in your OWN channel?, I mean... seriously?! hahaha 😂
But anyways, I got some comments abt the video. For example, I don't think Pierro is a sinner, mainly because he wanted to avoid the cataclysm but he couldn't, we saw in the mission that sinners may actually have stopped the catastrophe, but they used the abyss powers to their own purposes instead. But hey, who knows, we still need more info about him.
Speaking about Lumine, I think there're many ways to explain how she knows about the hydro throne, for example, the loom of fate itself, we learned that such thing can modify ley lines, then, why couldn't be used to see through its memories too?, I mean, I don't think the conversation between Focalors and Neuvillette was recorded, but the consequences.
And finally, I'm also waiting for the witches, 100% sure that will come with even more lore to analyze!. This gonna sound weird but, since Narzissenkreuz and Remuria (Now with this quest), I got the feeling that hoyeverse is trying to explain us how teyvat's entire world actually works, but there're still many things to know, I hope Hexenzirkel lore give us the whole idea, specially before Natlan!
Thank you!!! As for the comments, I mean, it's the internet, being safe behind a fake name, without showing your face, allows people to do or say whatever they want, so.... XD
The thing about Pierro... The sinners, before being sinners, were against what Irmin was doing, that's why Dainsleif said that then, they couldn't resist the call of the abyss. This means that they were against it, but then they got convinced. Pierro was, like them, against what Irmin was doing, reason why he tried to stop the sages, but then he may have fallen prey to the abyss. I mean, he was a lesser mage that no one listened to, and he became one of the most influential and powerful people of Teyvat....
As for Lumine, well, the Loom of Fate can't modify the key lines, that's the whole concept of it. What happened in Focalors's realm of consciousness, should be accessible through the ley lines as well, because that was a place where the gods' gaze does not fall. If Irminsul could see it, then she wouldn't have been defying any fate at all.
Of the witches, I will be livid if we don't get anything from the Imaginarium Theater, and it's always a risk in this game. We need to know them, we need to meet them!!! Give us the witches!!!!
They are definitely trying to explain how Teyvat works, little at a time just not to drive us crazy, and there's definitely a lot more to learn. Natlan is (hopefully) going to be really heavy with lore, if what I think is even partly right. We are, indeed, reaching the end of the game, so they need to explain the deeper stuff so that we can fully understand what will happen at the end.
10:40 well, Clothes could simply have blood brother.. but sure
An uncle is not a descendant. I'm reading a lot of people saying that a descendant can also be the brother of a direct ancestor, but that's not the real definition of the word. So, if Kaeya is a descendant of Chlothar, it means that he is the forefather, Kaeya's family tree begins with Chlothar. Anyone who isn't directly related, so that isn't a grandparent, are not involved in it. Plus, why would Dainsleif tell Kaeya he is a descendant of Chlothar if he doesnt descend from him? That would make no sense at all
Ok but imagine this pierro is part of the five sinners of khaenriah but was the only one who knew the abyss or at the very least understood that the abyss was bad news but unfortunately he fell into corruption by it becoming one of the five centers of khaenriah and didn’t save khaenriah because he saw no point in it or like you said he became one of the five sinners after the cataclysm also another is that in the pale flame artifact set the mask artifact talks abt pierro and how he’s devoted to the tsaritsa because she understands his pain and due to there aligning goals what if the tsaritsa is aware of the abyss orders plans to stop celestia because pierro is telling her and as a way to help them she sends her fatui to do these specific goals to help them without the rest of them realizing it the abyss order and the fatui have the same goal into defying or overthrowing celestia so it would make sense that pierro would be working both sides to help each other and only the tsaritsa and pierro know abt this partnership it would make sense i mean if the abyss order and the fatui aligned they would have a better chance in defeating celestia now i really want him to be playable but we will have to wait another 2 years at the very least that is if he doesn’t get released during snezhnaya which I hope to god he does because the hype is so real
Also in question for Kaeya I’m pretty sure there were more than one alberech in the family if kaeyas origin originates from both Sumeru and khaenriah and the nation was sad to be located underneath Sumeru (which in my opinion doesn’t make sense because in the two scenes that we actually see the nation getting destroyed it seems to be above ground and doesn’t even look like Sumeru) it’s very possible that another family member had a child with another women in Sumeru and sent then here to mondstadt for whatever reason either as a way to keep the bloodline of khaenriah going or to keep keaya safe from the abyss possibly the reason why I think this is because I think another alberach was said to be leading the nation during the calamity I just can’t remember where or their name
Also I like to think that the reason lumine knows abt the hydro archon destroying her divine throne is because she’s been keeping track of her brother in someway by some one like a visionary (hint hint) anyways it would make sense if she knew this plus I thought the people already knew of what happened in Fontaine they just left out the part abt folcalors sacrificing herself I thought it was said that furina sacrifice her divinity to save Fontaine which she did but it was told as a half truth
Yeah, I mean, it's fairly possible. They all want to defeat the Heavenly Principles, but they also need to keep this alliance quiet, because the entire world would attack them, if they knew they were working with the abyss. The Tsaritsa seems to have given up on her ideals and is more than willing to do anything to defeat the Heavenly Principles, so there's really nothing stopping her from joining hands.
As for Kaeya, this is the 6th time in the comment section, a descendant is someone who directly derives for a specific person. You are a descendant of your great grandfather, not his brothers, sisters or cousins. In the family tree, when it comes to descendants, it's the straight line that goes from one person to another through generations, it only matters who genererated a child, who generated another child and so on, until you were generated.
That's why Dainsleif told him that he was Chlothar's descendant and not, for example, Anfortas's. Plus, a cursed Khaenri'ahn can't have children, otherwise being cursed wouldn't be a punishment, it wouldn't annihilate the people of Khaenri'ah if they can keep having kids, what's the point. The only one who lifted the curse, was Chlothar, so he could have had another child, making Kaeya his descendant, even though I would mix that with the clone theory as a way to refine Caribert until he was able to wield the Loom of Fate (just like Kiana with the Herrscher of Void).
Yeah, Vedrfolnir is most likely the one who was able to see what happened to Focalors. When it comes to public knowledge, people know Furina sacrificed her divinity, but then again, that alone doesn't really mean "destroying the divine throne", that's an insider knowledge. People usually don't even know what a divine throne is or how the Archons even work, they just know that they're the gods of the nations.
@@ShadowX5452Gaming also I had this little theory that clorindes master could be part of the hexenzircle possibly also I wonder if we’re gonna see a face reveal of some of the sinners soon I’m really interested in them based on Diana description at least two will be female while the others male
@@isaiahhaley4816 there's only one woman among the sinners, the other 4 are men. It's hard to figure it out in English, because if they don't use a pronoun, you would never know, but in the other languages, Rerir, Hroptatyr, Surtalogi and Vedrfolnir are all men
@@ShadowX5452Gaming ye but that doesn’t mean much in genshins terms they could very well change it like how they change the dendro archons pronoun to he to a she though it was a translation error. There are still chances of it getting changed, especially since this game is dedicated to more female characters, so I think it’s reasonable to assume that the very lease two sinners would be female, especially since all of the names don’t really sound male nor female so it’s still a possibility
@@isaiahhaley4816 I don't think that genshin impact has to be dedicated to female characters to the point that they would feel the need to change some of the male characters into women just to make it "right", whatever that may even mean. Is being a man something wrong that needs to be changed?
The Dendro Archon's mistake was acceptable, because it was the beginning of the game and the character came out 2 years later. In this case, they will become integral part of the game very soon, I wager the next "winter night's lazzo" kind of video, is going to be about the sinners actually, so they really can't be unsure of who the characters really are, they need for them to be defined already. Who knows, maybe they even drew their character designs already (so leakers will probably be happy, I guess).
Still, I don't think they'll change. I don't see anything wrong with creating male characters with important roles. Almost all the Archons are women, Venti is very feminine, too. The big shots in the nations are literally almost all women (Jean, Ningguang, Sara, Clorinde, etc), it's not like there's a lack of important women in this game
couldnt it have been that clothar had a sibling-
idk rhat one was quite a strech
Descendant: a person, plant, or animal that is descended from a particular ancestor.
This is the Oxford definition, so if Kaeya is the descendant of the Abyss Order founder, then it wouldn't make sense for him to descend from another Alberich entirely.
Plus, this hypothetical Chlothar's sibling would have been cursed. If a cursed person can simply have children and have a family, what's the point of that curse? Chlothar, instead, lifted his curse.
And then, we have who knows how many Dottore copies, the shogun created two living puppets, there are at least 7 Katherynes, and in Honkai Impact there's Theresa and Kiana that are also clones, so if it that much of a stretch to think that clones may have been created?
Alberich is family name, so Kaeya isn't necessarily their son/grandson
Descendant: a person, plant, or animal that is descended from a particular ancestor.
This is the Oxford Dictionary, so when Dainsleif says that Kaeya is a descendant of Chlothar Alberich, it literally means that he's a great grand father.
@@ShadowX5452Gaming he didn't say he's a descendant of Chlotar, he said the founder of the abyss order which I thought to be someone more like the sinner
14:38 portuguese mencioned LETSGOOOOO🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Here on this channel, I always mention other languages. Foreign languages are my field of study XD
Today the accent is particularly strong huh...
Really?
@@ShadowX5452Gaming 😃
the Portuguese version of the game doesn't play around, there are no word plays or enigmas, everything is translated into the literal sense and real meaning of things 😂
I was wondering why in all the videos I saw you were having so much trouble understanding the meaning of some things
It's not like I'm having a hard time understanding the meaning of things, is that I try to figure out the hints they're giving us. Even if a word has a simple, straight meaning, the context in which that word exists, is often not so direct. Sometimes, things can also be better understood by looking at the translations in other languages
@@ShadowX5452Gaming sorry "you guys were" I meant to refer to more theory and lore channels
while you guys were looking for related things and translations, the game in Portuguese already came with the answers 🤯
I'm not sure why you were assuming I'd hate this stuff. I mean sure, the analysis of the history of the real world counterparts to the 5 sinners is a waste of time, but apart from that, which in any case is nothing, I have no issues with it. Well you seem oddly down on the Sibling but even there you at least actually look at what they do and say to draw conclusion unlike 90% of people out there with a brain dead "Sibling is corrupted / deceived by Abyss" analysis, which runs counter to the game narrative. Still you made a lot of unwarranted assumptions about the Sibling to reach your "hypocrisy" conclusion.
We don't know enough about how the Caribert dying thing shakes out to know if Sibling's statement blaming Celestia is right or wrong, but it's probably broadly right and it's not like she couldn't have picked many many other examples. We all know the Sustainer has made many shitty choices at best. Also where you thought Sibling was guessing about the sleeping Sustainer I thought they were actually understating all they knew. I guess we don't know, but it's a poor basis for a theory about Sibling's persona I think. As for Focalors' confessions to Neuvillette while Traveler was on the inside track with Furina, I don't think those secrets are a big deal. They only needed to be a secret for that moment in time and it's quite possible the Traveler finds out later on in various ways.
Btw do you usually say "Lumine" instead of "Sibling"? I got the impression more people play Lumine than Aether. Well I don't know.
Sea of Flowers at the End: yeah, you kinda really guessing on that one. Besides which none of those theories answer the Traveler's question about why can't they travel together? I don't have any ideas either.
Congratulations on making it all the way through without referencing Rukkhadevata or comparing Irminsul and the Loom on the basis of them "both editing memories". On the contrary you correctly drew the comparison between them both as means of changing the Fate of Teyvat, which means you're saying Irminsul changes Fate, while most idiots are stuck saying Irminsul can only change memories. of course you have this weird thing where you say Irminsul can change both but nobody's perfect (apart from me obviously).
Other than that main stuff I think I disagree on most of the small stuff, but there's a lot of unknowns there. Even if you have a lot of evidence the Devs can just go zag instead of zig on the small stuff.
Nice video. Very punchy. No wasted time (apart from the Norse myth stuff). Going to have to re-watch it a time or two. And you didn't make some silly apology about how "long" the video was. It was as short as it could be. Having said that I think the 4.7 may have answered more questions than it raised, though it's popular to say the other way around.
It makes more sense to say Lumine when referring to the abyss sibling because all of the official trailers and stuff have aether as the traveler and lumine as the abyss sibling.
You know, it kinda felt like this was, for once, a decent comment, despite your usual insults toward culture which make me want to throw up, until I reached the Rukkhadevata thing.
Well, I AM one of the "idiots" who think Irminsul can only erase memories, so thank you for the compliment. Teyvat runs on memories, everything is created with them. If you remove those memories, you're changing fate. If you have amnesia and don't remember who you are anymore, you won't be doing what you would have normally done, so your "fate", in this idiotic example, has been changed.
So yeah, Mr. Perfect, I am that idiot and I will keep on being it
> If you remove those memories, you're changing fate
Uhuh? Explain how changing everyone's memories stopped everyone in Fontaine drowning please.
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@@davidjohnson8273 that is a bad argument because we already know the reason for fontaine not drowning, and it wasn't because of memory change. I do have an example of someone's fate changing because of memory, tho. Scaramouche. He lost his memory, and as a result became COMPLETELY different from his usual self. I'd imagine being a completely different person would alter the decisions you make. Of course, now he has his memory back, but that event definitely impacted him enough to even change his usual self to the point where he even has a vision now.
In any case you're not one of those idiots. Are you saying I made a mistake? No. I said the idiots think Irminsul ONLY changes memories. You think Irminsul has a dual function on the basis of . It can change memories or fate you have said. Also I said they were stuck saying the Irminsul is like the Loom because they both change memories which you will acknowledge is false because the completed Loom has no capacity to change memories. As plainly stated in the game text (hence to ignore this is stupid).
You suggested the Loom of fate might be used to make a 2nd Irminsul and subsequently change fate - not memories only, but fate. This is correct and not 100% dumb.
Not exactly sure why you want to debate being included with the dummies but I'm fine arguing you're not.
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Thats some baseless assumptions you got there