CORRECTIONS HERE! I somehow swapped Dendro and Electro from the loading screen (I don't know how, since I had the image on the second monitor), but that doesn't change anything for the theory, since the conclusion is still the same
personally i think that the healing hand constellation is actually Capitano's, as it originates from similar cultures that Natlan is based offf of, and it is a symbol of protection, which Capitano is shown doing [protecting the people, protecting xilonen, etc.]
Might be a reach but since you're tapping into the topic of alchemy, tarot, colors and symbols, Pantalone's constelation resembles the Antimony symbol, it also plays into the duality of man, it's wild nature and ambition, which is very fitting for him. Just food for thought tho.
Touching on Antimony, I doubt Pantalone constellation is related to it, but mostly because it's already on another Harbinger Tartaglia scarf has a symbol on its end that looks eerily similar to the symbol of Antimony, and its meaning fits him perfectly, so I doubt it's a coincidence
I find it funny that before I interpreted the harbingers with the coats with the crystals as "ohh so cute they have outfits matching their color palette" lmao
@@Keiki-kun well, apart from believing or not in them, they are still part of the culture of the world, so it's knowledge that is worth learning about. At least, that's how I see it!
I can't believe I never noticed the Fatuis crystal accessoires being in different colours 😂 This is the earliest (and latest) I've ever been here, I'll use this as audio to fall asleep, I'll watch the video properly tomorrow
Have a nice sleep then! Though, the video wasn't supposed to come out today... If you didn't leave a comment, I wouldn't have noticed I got the wrong day! Well, what's done is done
In the beginning of the video I was waiting for Sagittarius’s color because that’s my zodiac sign, and since I’ve never heard about the association of the zodiac signs with colors or Tarot Cards before I was genuinely curious what it would be. I’m surprised that it’s purple. Brown is technically a shade of orange but it’s also the color of dried blood so it still checks out for Arlecchino. I know you said that you felt your Dendro Gnosis design was plain, but I think it kinda looks like the flower carriage, which is nice. I think I deluded myself into remembering Scaramouche mention some sort of divine spark. He didn’t. Ever. What I did remember was the reason he was able to connect to Irminsul was because he had traces of divine power, which is also what he used to shield us from Nahida inside of Inner Irminsul. I may have heard divine spark somewhere else but I’m not sure where. It IS a term in Gnosticism, but I don’t think I knew that before. Maybe I did, but I usually remember stuff like that and where I heard it. Whatever this misremembrance was, it does seem to be the basis of the “inner flame” mentioned by Mavuika.
@@gyannunez well, consider that I'm Virgo and brown is definitely not my favorite color at all... But I'm happy with Arlecchino representing Virgo! Yeah, it's more orange than red, but then again, orange is a variant of red.... Still, as you said, it can still make sense for her. So, it probably looks like the flower carriage because I literally stole the designs from Nahida's clothes, from Sumeru's logo and from Nahida's weapon (that I pulled for and I also got!!!!) Yeah, it kinda sound alike something that has been said in the game, but I don't know where as well. I hear in my head a woman saying it, but I can't recognize the voice. It is a calm voice, like Focalors kind of speech when she spoke gently with Neuvillette. Still, yes, that inner flame I think is going to become a very important thing in Teyvat in general very soon!
@@hazelmaple I was shocked when I saw how fitting they were, especially considering the alchemical process goes toward perfection, so it also makes sense to put Pierro first, because he started the Fatui, and then the Harbingers from the lowest (imperfect) rank to the highest (most perfect) rank
For what we're calling Pantalone's constellation, I believe that they were calling it "heresy" for it's similarity to the sacred heart. I think it's most likely a globus cruciger.
@@MinLeanneVerrill the problem with the cruciger, is that Pantalone's symbol has the tip of the sword coming out of the bottom, so it's basically a sword with a kind of templar handle, and the other weird thing, is that circle with two different lines on the sides that is in the middle of the winged "shield". I tried looking for something that really looked similar, but apart from a prop medieval unrealistic shield that acts as a sheath for the sword, I couldn't really find anything at all. If the "shield" is a divine heart, the heart of Teyvat, then he's just probably trying to stab it with his sword...
you cooked!!! the tarot cards plus alchemical harbingers kinda blew my mind---- i've been a longtime believer of diluc's father being the missing 10th harbinger (or was) but a Natlanese harbinger definitely makes more sense..... very thought-provoking!
@@peachcloudx1672 thank you!!! I'm happy you liked the video!!! If the Harbinger is indeed Natlanese, I guess we'll find out soon enough.. Well maybe not that soon, considering we would need 5.3 to be over first, so it's more than 2 months...
Venti willing give back his authority to Devlin, The Gnosis maybe acts as a battery that can channel elemental authority (without potential backfiring). However This theory also has problems, We haven't seen Zhongli give up his authority yet, My personal theory is that, He can't use because it could kill him, It's too much raw power without the Gnosis the Geo authority of Teyvat.
@@azarthefireelf4877 the theory that the ball of anemo that Venti gave Dvalin was the authority, could make sense, until 4.2. If it was that easy to give back, why would have Focalors had to do all of that for 500 years just to give Neuvillette his authority back and save the people of Fontaine? So, clearly, Venti just shared his power, which is what Dvalin actually said. If I remember correctly, he said "is this the power of the Anemo Archon?", which is a different power from the authority of the dragons, since the Anemo element is an evolution of Phlogiston. As for Zhongli, he tried with all his might to seal Azhdaha because he lost his mind since the people broke the Ley Lines in the Chasm, so why would he give him even more power?
i would also love to see a scenario of a harbinger being recruited as part of the story. we kind of saw a little of that in arlechinno's story, but it wasn't enough. for a while i thought maybe ororon can be, since he's now technically friends with capitano ( his words lol ). and since the fatui helped everyone in natlan, i feel the people would be less aggressive towards them after all this archon quest. it would also make natlan have a tie to snez. not that each region needs one, but it would be helpful for strategy. im just thinking outloud. i hope capitano doesn't die, though.
@@hydroho we do have the constellations for all 11 Harbingers and we already know what Ororon's constellation looks like (it's in the pilgrim's chronicle), so at best, he could become a Fatuus but not a Harbinger, but then again, why would he? He's one of the heroes of Natlan, so he already has something important in his life. As for having a connection with Snezhnaya, Fontaine was also kinda connected with them, they have a sort of "friendship", but Snezhnaya is still trying to get the gnoses, so I doubt anyone would really associate themselves with them. I also hope he doesn't die, but it really looks like it's going that way and it makes too much sense for him to sacrifice himself... Hopefully, they'll find a way to save him?
OH MY GOD THAT'S SUCH A GOOD VIDEO I LIVE FOR THIE LORE!!! I Just love all the connections, everything matches Perfectly!!! (Am Also glad to represent Piero, the main "Bad Guy" as Pisces lol. This deserves more attention , you put do much effort in this...
@@Venjoy_zzz thank you!!!! I'm really happy that I get to represent Arlecchino instead, she's my favorite Harbinger so far, and I highly doubt any of the others will be better than her! As for the visibility, there's not a lot we can do, everything is in the hand of the algorithm, and it seems every time I upload something, it just looks away. Maybe one day, as the channel slowly gets bigger, my videos will automatically get more attention, despite what the algorithm wants
You deserve all the views man. Columbina is the most interesting Harbinger for me, she's my absolute favourite and no one comes close (Arlecchino is my 2 fav) Her Lore and theories are so intriguing and her design as well...I shared this video to The reddit of Fatui/HQ and Columbina Mains since am part of both of them, if the combination of about 30K members from both of them decide to click the link, hopefully you can grow more! Literally one of the best Lore channels there is!@@ShadowXImpact
@Venjoy_zzz thank you for everything you said and for sharing my video!!!! I am very intrigued by Colombina, mainly because I want to know if she's actually a Seelie. I mean, she would drop so much lore if she is! But even then, Father would still be my favorite! 😂
11:35 it could also be a "Reichsapfel" /imperial orb. It represents the emperor's authority over the material world and his landownership. It could be a metaphor for Pantalone's "worldy" power over currency through the snezhnayan bank and his one-sided rivalry with Rex Lapis, who prior to his "passing" minted Mora with the Geo Gnosis. Pantalone became the new ruler over the economy, the material world and thereby the new "emporor". The Harbinger's constilation could represent their reasons for joining the Fatui, maybe even the Power of their Delusion. For example Scaramouche and gaining a heart or tempering Signora's flames.
@@theoreinshagen4934 well, it is clear, I think, that Pantalone joined the Fatui to crush Teyvat's economy, gaining a power over the world, since he never received the vision he wanted, so that could be a good explanation for his life goal in scripted in his constellation, but an imperial orb doesn't look right, mainly because it really looks like a sword behind or through something, since there's the tip coming out from below... What's also bothering me, is how the hilt of this supposed sword, looks a lot like a templar thing. Maybe it'll bring up some sort of reference to the holy grail?
Thats litteraly the first thing I thought about when that Trailer droped years ago but everyone kept saying it was the heresy symbol and I wasnt that knowledgable on the subject so I just kinda went with the flow
@@Sacration yeah, the heresy thing just came out of nowhere and everybody just got 100% convinced by it without thinking about it twice, me included. Back then, I didn't try to understand that symbol, it just came out on the research, so it had to be it. Everybody though it was Dottore's symbol, although I kept saying it had to be the plague mask doctor but obviously almost no one listened (and I was right), but once we all saw Dottore with the mask on his shoulder, finally people started thinking about the heresy symbol again, because it didn't apply anymore. We will find an answer sooner or later, either on our own or when we'll meet Pantalone directly
@@theoreinshagen4934 yeah, on his ring, it looks different, except for that templar looking cross at the top of the thing that in the constellation looks like a sword... I think I should research the templar a little more maybe...
@@Sotik0 that's what I've always though. Alain Guillotine had been working on ruin machines most of his life and when he retired, he closed himself in his workshop and disappeared, leaving behind traces of "something big" being built. Fontaine was also all about extracting memories, souls, personas and placing them somewhere else, so I don't really see that as too far fetched. Plus, the ruin machine is dressed in Fontainian clothes...
@@patrykburski2148 Thank you!! I'm happy you liked it!!! Well, considering how I used designs that already exist in the game to make those gnoses (and also how they're not really that good, to be honest), I can hardly even dream of being contacted by hoyo to buy those concepts! 😂
pantalone's symbol reminds me of that "worms 3D" holy grenade besides that a biblical staff decor of a pope or something of the same line as the holy grenade as for who we will see in natlan, it's likely to be Columbina as for leaks because we knew capitano would be in natlan also suggested her to be in natlan
@@dragondevil69 HAAAAAALLELUJAH! BOOOM! I loved that weapon!!!! That was my favorite one! Oh, the memories.... But yeah, it kinda does look like it! Thank god I stopped at "as for leaks". Did you, buly any chance, hear in the disclaimer that leaks are not welcome on this channel? How else can I make it even clearer than that? It's a theory channel, why would I want to know leaks? How am I supposed to make theories if I already know what's going to happen?
@@ShadowXImpact well to be fair it's a sussy leak as for who will show up, nothing reliable or confirmed(besides capitano as we've seen him) and i do apologies as i did not read the disclaimers nor the description
I feel jebaited. At 6:52 at the start you said you'd talk more about the missing 10th harbinger, even assigned them a zodiac (Capricorn) tarot card (The Devil) & color (Gray), but then... didn't share your theory or speculations...
@@lathamtk sorry for the late reply, I never received a notification, but I did share my theory when I talked about the healing hand. That's really all I got, I mean, it's an unknown harbinger, so there's so much I can theorize while remaining coherent with what we have, which is essentially just the image of the constellation
@@genshin_lore_enjoyer yeah!!!! I just had to include her in the video, she is one of my favorite characters anyway! And sorry for replying so late, I never got a notification, so I didn't see your (an many other's) comment!
By far this might be my favourite 3rd descender theory and it makes a bit sense Also here's the new thought for you shadow :- you remember dainslief constellation is the oroborus? Rene there's a black snake in BP story that uses the pearl to trick the heir? So what if i told you the snake/abyss gave dainslief power similar to nibelung and 5 sinners but this time it made a bet with dainslief to see if humanity can avoid getting engulfed by the abyss And what if i told you dainslief used that power and bargain to stop his corruption And at the end of the game at the sea of flowers dain will try to ascend and become a deacender just like aether but he is too soft for that he challenges aether to defeat him and set him aside and ascend as a true god just like PO did but he will actually fix everything by using the future to fix the past and make sure the present is working like as it should be And you remember the guy called Kevin from honkai right he had a org called world serpent what if i told you dainslief boss will be same as him a pinnacle of power a man holding his monster form back and through the ring of nibelun finally becomes the dragon from beyond if you look at both of them they share many similarities and the snake being one of them and their hidden strength
@@osmial first of all, sorry for replying so late. There is an ocean of comments I never received a notification for, and I'm replying to all of them now that I noticed. As for Dainsleif and the serpent, your theory is really nice, but I think, or better yet, I've always believed that the serpent doesn't represent the abyss power but forbidden knowledge, the "temptation" that the Primordial One sealed away to prevent people from acquiring it, reason why Forbidden Knowledge can destroy the world (basically the world is made so that it can never use it) while the abyss can exist without worldwide repercussions, albeit still dangerous. I do believe there is a connection between Dainsleif and Kevin, and that actually feels coherent with my theory. Khaenri'ah didn't try to get the power of the abyss, they were stealing powers from beyond the sky, so forbidden knowledge, just like the Flame-Chasers used the Honkai to modify themselves (well, Möbius modified them, but you get what I mean). So, the power the Sinners obtained, a "world-shattering" power is still Forbidden Knowledge (which we know can shatter the world), and Dainsleif, although he says he's not part of them, also acquired that same power, reason why Lumine said he was at fault for not saving Khaenri'ah. He had the power to at least try, but he didn't. This could also explain why Capitano, who bears the curse, had his body rot, while Dainsleif didn't. As for what will happen at the sea of flower at the end, I still think it's where Aether will understand that the world is just a dream that conforms to what the dreamer wants, reason why Lumine found the flowers Aether was looking for, as if to give her what she wanted, what she needed to have her brother back. What Dainsleif will do there, I don't know. I don't trust Dainsleif, so I can't even conjure a scenario in which he's soft. Besides, I don't think a person can become a Descender in the first place, although everything is actually possible, so it's not outside the realm of possibilities...
@@ShadowXImpact hey not at all just take your time k believe this was one of the best videos after the fontaine narzissenkruez ordo quest breakdown Also the serpent being abyss i meant it that way like it's temptation but it is a being that temp others the serpect is just a motif of whatever is inside abyss that attracts those who seek power and false answers Also it's possible that flower field is basically a place where you set a dream and it becomes reality for the creator maybe what we are experiencing is a dream of someone else or PO itself set this dream and left the world thus no creator but i think traveler will break the cycle of dreams and make everything reality even if the outcome is destruction or prosperity Also yeah dainslief and kevin definitely related by impressions i think like how can we not think that way and yeah dainslief most definitely got the power to shatter the world and on top of that i think the ring of nibelung will make him even more dangerous than any sinner which is why i think he will be a boss like kevin not someone you can quite trust be he does everything for some reason even if it means his death because he will prepare that outcome as well also thanks man it took me actually lack of one night of sleep to actually piece few things together for multiple theories i got things on nibelung and PO and many others but one more I'll mention is What is PO is just different sets of kiana? Like sustainer is sirin void suit Maybe ronova and istaroth and shade of life is also different suits of kiana And PO being the finality type? Or maybe the original kalen Or another theory is PO is griseo and all shades are kiana mei bronya and fu hua like it can be
broo u cooked soo crazy with the take on the chess thing absolutely brilliant 💯💯 what u revealed here is mind blowing - all that time i thought pierro is working with the tsaritsa but in reality she is jus testing him playing with him bc heee wants what belongs to her wtf that changes the whole plot bro it all makes sense now 😵💫 - also finally more points on the cryo archon really being bronya model man 1 more year!!
@@777dreamresort thank you!!! I'm happy you liked it!!! Well, I do think they're still working together, but it's more or a shared goal that brought them together rather than actual trust. Of course, we don't really have proof of this mistrust, but it wouldn't be a theory if we already knew what was going on! As for the Tsaritsa, the easiest solution would be for her to be Bronya, although I still believe Cocolia is going to appear somehow. Maybe they'll even mix them up, and who knows, Seele might become her daughter this time! Even though we would have to wait little less than a year, Mavuika might tell us something important about the Tsaritsa at the end of 5.3!
@@Kynokefalos thank you!! I did talk about it in one of my past videos, probably the one about Snezhnaya. We can see some frost or ice particles around the knight, that's why I think she's the one playing. And sorry for replying late, I never got a notification, which apparently happened for a lot of comments that I'm now replying to!
holy shit, skirk potentially being the seele expy and thus likely being connected to the tsaritsa is Nuts. can’t believe i didn’t make that connection. im so excited to find out if it’s true
13:25 : "may-be we will finally meet this unknow harbinger very soon" - "Well, Of Course I Know Him. He's Me." : You gave multiple informations suggesting that it could be the Traveler. "The Devil" : multiple things suggest that the traveler is associate to Satan. 6:52 and the description you give of the meaning of this card fit our status of 4th descender, and "thous who dream of dreaming". 8:13 : "the associate alchemy stage to this 10th harbinger is separation" : our sibling. 12:33 : the hand symbol : this one is the least clear, but may-be it will be clearer after the Natlan Acrhon quest when we will have a name. Ororon also corresponds rather well. may-be it is him who will becom the 10th. There is also the possibility that it is our sibling.
@@paulamblard3836 hold on, how can the tenth harbinger ever be the traveler to begin with? The constellation is already on the wheel, so we know it's not any playable character we've met so far, Ororon included (the image of his constellation is in the Pilgrim's Chronicle and it's literally a bat). As a consequence, the sibling also can't be the 10th harbinger, both because of the constellation again, but it wouldn't make sense for her to join the Fatui, since she's with the Abyss Order
@@ShadowXImpact If it is the sibling, it would means a secret alliance between the fatuis and the abyss order. if it is us : we would likely have the answer about this symbole at the end of the Natlan Archon quest.
@@dragondevil69 but it wouldn't really make sense, since the gnoses were created something like 2500 years (approximately) before the traveler even arrived on Teyvat,so why would it represent him? That could simply be the Tsaritsa having foreseen Pierro losing one of his pawns, and her making a point that she was right
@@ShadowXImpact the creation of gnoses has no effect on when they were put on that chess board, to begin with they were put on that chest board after the current harbingers got them they weren't in her possession before we were involved in the story and she's clearly missing some gnoses on that chess board too so it's pretty clear the game represent past actions rather than future ones
it's kind of interesting that of the two weekly bosses in each region, we fight a dragon for one of them everywhere except inazuma and fontaine, fontaine is probably because neuvilette is the dragon. like we've been helping to suppress dragons until fontaine, i'm curious about what the natlan weeklies will be
@@greatedcorn I am so worried that our Lil Buddy will turn out to be the reincarnation of Xiuhcoatl and we will have to fight it.... But more realistically (I still think Lil Buddy will become the new dragon sovereign but we won't fight it, because it's a good boy), once we go to Ochkanatlan, most likely in 5.2, we will meet the Sage of the Stolen Flame, Waxaklahun Ubah Khan (aka the Python King, Och-Khan), waiting for us there, since he has the second entreaty, and we will fight him. He is a dragon, so here's the dragon weekly boss!
@@ShadowXImpact All I want is the juicy Lore he will tell us! Im still not over the "Lunar continent" and that other precious stone he talked about to Chaac tbh
@@CarlosAnglada I hope you'll like it!!! Although, I didn't even know it got released today, so I was as surprised as you were... I chose the wrong day when I scheduled the release😂
More Snezhnaya food for thought, yippee! I've been working on my own theories (specifically about the Tsaritsa) so this video is a very welcome surprise :D
@@catdownthestreet I also have a Snezhnaya video I made a long time ago, where I talk about the Tsaritsa probably being Tsarina Alexandra (and if I'm not mistaken, Bronya is associated with the name Alexandra in Honkai Impact as well) and Pierro being Rasputin. That could also help, maybe!
@@ShadowXImpact I watched that one! I think it's pretty solid, but I wanted to look into more than what you covered in that video. I've been researching Russian folklore and history quite a bit thanks to you (and my dad, who is a nerd for history). Honestly, even though I think it would be interesting for Bronya to be the Tsaritsa, I think Cocolia fits the role better. Especially considering the folklore aspect. Mother goddesses seem very important to Russia. That's just speculation though. Also, have you considered looking into Catherine the Great? She could have inspired the Tsaritsa as well.
@catdownthestreet I proposed the idea of the Tsaritsa being Cocolia once, and I got flamed so hard, I simply stopped saying it, because apparently, it's like people lose something of their lives if it's not Bronya... As for Catherine the Great, no I haven't researched her because the idea of Anastasia Romanov being brought into the game would be a great opportunity for the writers, but I'll check her out in a little bit
@@ShadowXImpact Bro what, who flamed you??? Bronya not being the Tsaritsa doesn't mean she won't make another appearance, it just means she's playing a slightly different role. She could be Anastasia, the missing daughter of the Romanov family, with Cocolia as her mother/the Tsaritsa. That opens up a lot of possibilities for the plot of Snezhnaya- perhaps the reverse of the rumors surrounding Anastasia, in which the Tsaritsa believes her daughter is dead when she is actually still alive somewhere? That's my main theory at the moment. If the people of Snezhnaya are unhappy with the Tsaritsa and her Harbingers (just as Russians were unhappy with Catherine the Great and later the Romanovs) and the missing daughter is aware of their unrest, perhaps she could lead a revolution with the purpose of convincing her mother to help the people. It would be an interesting remix of Russian history (even if it feels pretty similar to HSR's Bronya... but hey, no one said her story couldn't repeat with a slightly different ending for Cocolia). Also, if you're curious about Russian history, there's a series of ten minute videos that covers a good chunk of it, which is actually how I came to the conclusion that the Tsaritsa may have multiple inspirations beyond the Romanovs.
@catdownthestreet so, there are some things that you say at your own risk, because you know what's coming next. Try to say that the Tsaritsa may not be the God of Love, for example (which is what I believe actually), and all hell will break lose. Same goes with the Tsaritsa not being Bronya but Cocolia, despite the fact that Cocolia has ALWAYS been the evil mother figure of the main character, Bronya (and Seele), plus Signora "stole" the Tsaritsa's face and she looks like Cocolia... That Alexandra-Anastasia theory is actually the one I'm going for, I think I said that in one of the videos, maybe the ancient Archons one, I can't remember. It's because Anastasia has always believed to be alive and everybody has been looking for her, so it would be a nice story to use in the game. There's also the possibility that Bronya (daughter) is half Snezhnayan (from the Tsaritsa Cocolia) and half Khaenri'ahn, so the curse turned her into a monster, and the Tsaritsa is trying to go back in time to prevent the cataclysm from happening to lift her curse. I mean, the possibilities are endless with so little we actually know about the Tsaritsa. Now that I've actually played Honkai Impact, considering how Skirk MIGHT be Seele, we could also think that the previous original Archon is Cocolia who sent Skirk into the abyss during the cataclysm for whatever reason (since Cocolia's experiment caused Seele to be lost in the sea of quanta), so Bronya (in this case the Tsaritsa) got rid of the previous Archon and, again, is trying to rever the cataclysm to save Skirk
@@marcusbullock2753 it is, indeed, weird, but then again, when Childe was appointed his delusion, the Tsaritsa was there, so either she doesn't know at all what Dottore is doing, or she simply doesn't care how much people suffer, she just cares about her goal. The other possibility is that Pierro is manipulating her, like with some kind or power, so the Tsaritsa has been rendered a puppet, but I don't think that's the case... I hope
@@lexical450 I'm hoping for the tenth unknown harbinger, mainly because I want to put a face and a name to this number, but I can't wait to meet Colombina as well, especially after what Arlecchino told us about her!
As a tarot reader I’m not going to say that the interpretation of the meaning of each card is wrong but at least very different from the traditional meaning. Like emperor being reckless, the lovers meaning conflict, temperance meaning reckless, chariot meaning cowardice and never leaving the place, death meaning invincibility and etc. these are almost opposite of what these cards traditionally represents. The emperor usually means control, power, thoughtful planing. Temperance is equilibrium, rationality. Lovers usually has a positive meaning like good relationships or finding a new passion. Chariot usually means courage, action, movement. Death usually represents weakness, end of a circle, failure, but sometimes being reborn and the start of a new cicle. I don’t know where you did you research but I’m sure it’s not what most websites or books would tell about these cards. The cards can have the opposite meaning when it’s draw upside down when the reader use this method of reading.
@@galerinha it's from multiple websites, I basically used the meanings that most of them agreed on, and I used both the right way and the upside-down interpretations, but also the descriptions of the cards. I'm no Tarot reader, but I've never heard of death meaning weakness, while end of a cycle and a new beginning, for example, is also what I said in the video. As far as I know, the tarot cards have different meanings according to the way they present themselves, so again, the right way or upside-down, and when they're upside down, their meaning can drastically change to the point it can represent the opposite. So if the emperor means thoughtful planning, the opposite is recklessness, same for the lovers, that represent a perfect relationship, but the opposite is a conflictual one. Though, as I said before, these are the meanings I found online
@ compare what ChatGPT says about each of the major arcana and your video. I think ChatGPT can be used as a summary of what most websites says about a matter. And it is very different than what you used in your video. 0. The Fool New beginnings, adventure 1. The Magician Power, manifestation, creativity 2. The High Priestess Intuition, mystery, subconscious 3. The Empress Nurturing, abundance, nature 4. The Emperor Authority, stability, leadership 5. The Hierophant Tradition, wisdom, teaching 6. The Lovers Love, choices, connection 7. The Chariot Victory, determination, control 8. Strength Courage, compassion, resilience 9. The Hermit Introspection, solitude, wisdom 10. The Wheel of Fortune Change, cycles, destiny 11. Justice Fairness, truth, balance 12. The Hanged Man Pause, surrender, perspective 13. Death Transformation, endings, renewal 14. Temperance Balance, harmony, patience 15. The Devil Bondage, temptation, shadow 16. The Tower Upheaval, revelation, crisis 17. The Star Hope, inspiration, healing 18. The Moon Illusion, fear, subconscious 19. The Sun Joy, success, vitality 20. Judgment Reflection, rebirth, awakening 21. The World Completion, fulfillment, unity These keywords capture the core essence of each Major Arcana card for quick reference.
@galerinha so you went from "tarot reader" to "I'm using ChatGPT". I'm sorry, I don't use AI to make research, I think I still have some brain capacity to do my own research without using software known for their inaccuracy and their ability to invent stuff. And this is ignoring how there words per card is not even close to enough. I mean, anyone with even the minimum amount of knowledge about tarot cards would know this...
Love your vids, you always cook so good! Though I thought you were gonna touch on Diluc's harbinger coded skin with his own red small crystal and all... Is he a double agent?
@@qbanarik3465 thank you!!! I honestly think that the "third party from the north" that helped Diluc when he left for his three years journey, was Arlecchino. I mean, he is part of a secret intelligence network right? And that's basically Arlecchino's job. Diluc's clothes look like hers, even, and he left Mondstadt after his father died, so he was, indeed, an orphan, and as such, he probably joined the house of the hearth. And I love it, if that's what happened!
Your implication that Skirk might be the 8th gnosis is wild (in a positive sense). I hope I understood that correctly and am not overinterpreting your edit there. If she really used to be the Tsaritsa's loved one she lost, what in the world happened to her then before or after Surtalogi became her master...
@@nthinparticular3345 no no no, I didn't say she was the 8th gnosis, I meant the Third Descender. I used that video because she was talking about the Third Descender. If she's her loved one (I think a daughter in this game), then maybe she went to fight in Khaenri'ah but she fell into the abyss and was taken by Surtalogi, maybe? I don't know, she's still a massive unknown!!
Note: The electro gnosis is not a bishop. It's a king piece. Every gnosis is a king piece. Every gnosis provides its wielder with access to a divine THRONE that grants them divine AUTHORITY. King have thrones. Kings have authority. Not knights or rooks or bishops. Each gnosis is the king of its own chess set. The chess game we saw in Winter Nights' Lazzo was meant as nothing more than an allegory for the Harbingers facing off against Celestia... with a reference to a game where a human played against a computer. Which contributes to the theory that The Heavenly Principles might be an advanced AI.
@@DrakeWurrum so I guess that saying "I don't believe in the theory that says that every gnosis in a king piece" right before talking about my own theory, was apparently useless. Still, kings have their own authority, the Archons have been given authorities that don't belong to them at all, so what I can tell you is that, although I know why this all-kings theory is now believed to be the absolute truth to the point of being used as a "correction" for other people's theories (despite the fact that a "theory" is not an official statement by definition, so it can be wrong, both mine and the kings one), so I still believe that each gnosis is a different piece. Even saying with such confidence that "it was meant as nothing more that an allegory", you don't really have proof nor official facts to back up this "certainty". A theory is a theory, no matter who is the one who comes up with it, it's still a theory until it's confirmed in the game, which also means that there's another 50% chance it will turn out to be wrong
@@ShadowXImpact - It's kinda useless, yes. Because I don't believe in the theory that every gnosis is a specific piece from a single side of the chess board. Because it doesn't work. There are 6 chess pieces: King, Queen, Rook, Knight, Bishop, Pawn. If you decide to ignore Pawns and count double for Knight, Bishop, and Rook... you need 8 pieces. The only way it works is to include The Heavenly Principles as King (which would mean The Heavenly Principles has a gnosis, which doesn't really make sense), or else make up an 8th element that we currently do not have (It MIGHT happen, but at that point you're coming up with more theories to make theories work instead of using existing facts to support theories.) I also don't think ignoring Pawns is something that should be done if we're going to liken gnoses to a chess set. Each side of the chess board has exactly 8 and they're arguably the most important piece in the hands of a chess master. But the theory doesn't have room for pawns, since it wouldn't even make sense because as pawns could only become anemo archons. But perhaps more important than all of that is that the theory has no deeper meaning. It would just be a funny easter egg. But if every gnosis is a king piece, that perfectly matches the lore we've already uncovered that explains how the gnoses were created with the remains of the Third Descender and thus used to grant literal authority to each of the Archons. Elemental authority, specifically. None of the gnoses even match a chess piece in their design. Every single one, however, has a crown. How do you even reconcile the pyro gnosis design with the idea that it's supposed to be a knight? And MANY kings throughout history have claimed that they were granted divine authority by god himself. While IRL it may be hyperbole, in the case of the archons... it's literal.
@@DrakeWurrum well, even if you think it's useless, it doesn't change the fact that to me, making every piece the same, makes no sense. You clearly didn't watch the video to gain a new perspective, you watched with the intention never to consider anything different from the theory you are 100% certain to be true, even though this certainty has no ground at all. It shows from the fact that I found a solution for the 8th gnosis which, as the King, the one who rules over the other pieces, would be the one the gnoses were originally made from, but you ignored it completely in favor of calling my theory a potential Easter Egg with no deeper meaning, as if making them all kings just because the Archons (who are not even represented by the gnoses anyway) rule over the nation has some deeper meaning. The Gnoses, since you ignored both what I said in the video and what it has been said in the game, represent the Heavenly Principles' authority over Teyvat. The Archon don't receive any kind of authority from the Gnoses, in fact 5 over 6 nations have lost their gnoses, but their Archons are still Archons, they don't need them to hold that position. Furthermore, the gnoses do mach the pieces. The Anemo Gnosis clearly has the Queen's crown (not the King's, which has a cross at the top and is completely different in all aspects), the Geo gnosis doesn't have a crown, that's called a crenellation, it's the top of a castle tower, while the Electro gnosis' "helmet" has two tips, just like the bishop's hat is split into two parts. Of course, as before, this comment is useless, because you're not here to have a conversation, you're here to impose your "facts". If you disagree with my theory, it's okay, I'm not here to convince you nor am I saying (differently from you) that my theory is the absolute truth, I wouldn't waste my time with a disclaimer in every single video otherwise
I can see the harbinger crystals all having thematic connections to the zodiac, but I feel like there's a more grounded reason for them. Like how Arlecchino's crystal being a reference to her connections with the Crimson Moon Dynasty which is the only one I'm sure about lol. However, if I had to guess some of the reasonings for their crystal's colors it would be: Il Capitano's crystal might be from the dark aura around his ice. We still don't really know much about him so that's all I have. Il Dottore's crystal has the same color as a lot of the tubes in his design. I don't really know what to say about Columbina's crystal, but it does have an interesting color scheme bc it kinda has dim primogem colors Sandrone's orange crystal is probably referencing the color of azosite which is what powers ruin guards iirc, or it also has a similar orange color to the marechaussee hunter artifact set which fits with Alain's past of being one of them Childe's red crystal is present in his mask which if I had to guess could be connections to Surtalogi bc of Surtr's associations with fire but this feels like there isnt enough evidence especially since skirk doesnt have any red on her. And idk why for Pierro, Pantalone, or Pulcinella they kinda giving blanks rn. Still this was a goated video!!! U were edging us in the community tab with those gnosis designs they came out great!
oh also Fontaine's gnosis being the basis of Focalors's execution device would be such a cool idea from a narrative perspective bc it would be like we always had the design but just never knew its similarities to the gnosis.
@@Crunchycrunkybro it could be, but then again, as you said, Childe doesn't really have anything connecting him to red but his design is still very centered on this color, and the fact that he wears a red scarf just like the Emperor, and the description of the card literally describes him, makes me feel like the theory might actually be right. As for the sword in Fontaine, my understanding is that the gnoses might have two different uses: one related to the Ley Lines and one about combat. We saw this in Natlan, because the Pyro Gnosis can be used on the leylines but also in battle, and the same goes for Sumeru, since Nahida used the gnoses to access memories (something that exists in the Ley lines), but dottore said she can't use the Electro one in battle. In Fontaine, similarly, the Ley Lines use of it is the power of belief that can be turned into a usable material, or in battle, the sword. Anyway, I'm happy my gnoses design were decent enough in the end!!!!
Probably it’s obvious, but i just wanted to highlight some thoughts: - if Time is connected with the Winds, Life with Water and Death with Flame, i suppose that Zhongli, regarding his age, would probably somewhat connected with the last celestial element? - I was always interested in why Khaenri’ah uses both the latin and scandinavian cultural elements, but after learning about the Crimson Moon, i guess that latin is used by them (Albedo’s alchemy, Mona’s astrology, magic circles etc. Arle’s name too), because they were known for using magic and alchemy, while all known people living under the Eclipse dynasty had scandinavian names. Also we could remember the fact that Khaenri’ah tried to imitate ancient civilization’s architectural style (Dainsleif’s dialogue in the Chasm) - Moon sisters are non existent, because it’s just notes saved from Irminsul’s influence - moons just cross the sun’s path P. S. - i’m sorry for numerous grammatical and other mistakes - English is not my native language and my speech is not so diverse as in my own. If it is THAT bad, i can just use google instead of handwritten text 😅
@@НиколайКамеров-ь3о I honestly didn't even notice you weren't an English native speaker to be honest, if you didn't say anything and I didn't notice your name, I wouldn't have thought about it at all. Anyway, yes, Zhongli might be related to the 4th shade, although if it's the void, the shogun might be a better fit, considering what she can do. I never thought about it, but it actually makes sense. If the Khaenri'ahn built their nation on the ruins of the unified nation (this is how I interpret what Dainsleif said), then they probably used the language they found in those ruins, so Latin, but then, when the eclipse dynasty took over, they might have cut ties with their predecessors and opt for Scandinavian. The moon sisters are a big unknown, because although they first appeared in a collection of stories from Liyue, they also exist in the memories of the Nilotpala flowers in Sumeru, so they might have actually existed, but maybe they were simply heavenly envoys?
@@НиколайКамеров-ь3о I talked about the artifacts/shade association in my previous video and I will probably talk about them in my next one as well! Anyway, thank you!!! I'm happy you like it!
I thought between Light and Darkness of Kingdom Hearts. 7 lights like Archon or elements. But 13 seeker's of Darkness as there was, but unfortunately what are name's aren't meant here presents, are they? But the Chess pieces of chessboard are presents is key for anybody need to know of what purpose. 🤔
@@JamesBrown-zu8iv I haven't played Kingdom Hearts, so I can make a comparison, but I'm sorry, I didn't understand what you meant about the names and the chessboard
Interesting that you think that the unknown harbinger might be from natlan. Most of the time on the discussion on the harbinger people say it could be the mc. Your idea makes way more sense
@@leafrek I saw that people think it's the traveler. It honestly doesn't make sense at all. The traveler doesn't have a real constellation, and his pseudo one is completely different from those on the wheel, so I honestly don't understand why people think it's either the traveler or the sibling. Besides, signora is from Mondstadt, Capitano from Khaenri'ah, Scaramouche from inazuma, Childe, Pantalone and Pulcinella from Snezhnaya, Sandrone most likely from Fontaine, dottore from Sumeru, Arlecchino and Colombina are unknown, so there's someone from every nation except for Liyue (so maybe Colombina is a seelie from there?) and Natlan. I kinda expect the Harbingers to be at least one harbinger from every nation at this point
@@AlexisNess-mn4zw yeah, agree, it makes no sense. I don't think, though, it's Crepus, simply because he died and the ranks change based on their achievements, so why is Childe the 11th and not the 10th if there's a free spot? So, there must be someone occupying that spot, someone who is slightly more useful than Childe (which doesn't really take much). Diluc can't be a Harbinger (but I do think he is part of the House of the Hearth) because his constellation is not on the wheel
@@ShadowXImpact The thing is pantalone also hasnt taken Signoras spot. The rankings are extremely weird as is the 10th harbinger not being mentioned ONCE the entire game Reason i brought Diluc up was the manga but i also doubt he or Creepus are. I just think they have relations so the position in some capacity but we gotta wait for Diluc II SQ
Interesting you put SKirk on screen when talking about Seele...and Tsaritsa has her lovers disciple as one of her right arms... What the fuck is Childes role in this game i wonder XD
@@AlexisNess-mn4zw I honestly don't think they're going for the Bronya-Seele romantic affair in Genshin Impact, namely because I think her story is going to be about losing a child, which is what would push her to shut everybody out and become cold and emotionless not to suffer anymore. Tldr, I think Seele is going to be her daughter, mirroring Alexandra and Anastasia (reason why I used Alexandra's crown design in the Gnosis). As for Childe, I think it's all about his latent potential to overturn the world, which is what pushed Surtalogi to have Skirk teach him his legacy, the Foul (Surtalogi) Legacy. I still think there's a secret alliance between the Fatui and the abyss order, so Childe is probably going to be in danger because of what Surtalogi might do to him, like taking over him, leaving his own cursed body behind, bypassing the curse completely...
@@ShadowXImpact Even if its not romantic, its pretty interesting how Childe is always caught in the middle of some bullshit, 90% of the time when he doesnt even want to xD
@AlexisNess-mn4zw Childe is everywhere, everytime. I wouldn't be surprised if he appeared in Natlan sooner or later. I mean, he was in liyue, in Inazuma, in Fontaine, it's already strange enough we didn't meet him in Sumeru, actually....
Great theory as always! I love your style of making videos as they are always original and very interesting to watch. Also, I like your design for Cryo and Hydro Gnosis, they are badass! And that point about Skirk being Seele, xd. I like it too. Anyway, I have some ideas for you! They're not exactly related to this video, but I've had these ideas for a while now, so I would like you to see that. Um, Pierro has always reminded me of a man named Rasputin, who was a ‘friend’ of the Russian Imperial family, despite being an outsider. Pierro was a royal magician or something, so Rasputin was also considered a dark magician, ‘starets’, etc. Rasputin is known to have influenced Tsar Nicholas II in many aspects of his life, just as Pierrot influenced Snezhnaya, I think. Rasputin loved to talk about God and religion, and despite not being that educated, he was considered super intelligent and cunning. But most people disliked him because he was just a strange man who suddenly appeared next to the Tsar out of nowhere. Just like Pierro, who suddenly appeared next to the Tsaritsa out of nowhere. But again, if Pierro was based on Rasputin, then who is the Tsaritsa? I think she may be based on Empress Catherine II the Great. She was a magnificent empress of Russia. However, there is a chance of a very different outcome! What if Pierro is based on Menshikov, the actual ruler of the Russian Empire under Catherine the First? Catherine the First was the first Russian Empress to rule without an Emperor, but she put power in the hands of the Supreme Privy Council, with Menshikov in charge. Just like Fatui governing in Snezhnaya: among the Harbingers is the Mayor of the capital city of Snezhnaya, and among them is the man who controls the economy of Snezhnaya...
@@emotionalnito thank you!!! I'm happy you liked the video and the designs I came up with!! So, I did a video about Snezhnaya a while ago and while I do agree that Pierro is Rasputin, I believe the Tsaritsa is actually Alexandra, the Tsarina he Rasputin was manipulating, and her crown does appear in things related to Cryo, like the hypostasis when it becomes a wheel, which is why I used her crown as an inspiration for the gnosis. Alexandra was completely wrapped around Rasputin's fingers, and there's the whole thing about him convincing that he could cure her son, but there's also the story of Anastasia, Alexandra's daughter, which I think is going to be Seele in this game, so the Tsaritsa lost her daughter, reason enough to go against the whole world. Ei lost her twin sister, but she didn't go to those extreme, so it has to be someone with an even stronger bond, like mother daughter. I mean, if the Adepti can have children, then why wouldn't the gods be able to od the same?
tarot cards always reminds me of "lord of the mysteries" web novel. fantastic book, if you every want to read a story about cosmic horror + steam punk. give it a try
@@siliconhawk then I'll give it a try, thank you! And sorry for replying so late. There are a ton of comments I never received a notification for, so I'm now replying to them one by one!
@@haraa_5 upss... My bad, but thankfully it doesn't really change things, since they're both bishops in my theory. To fix that, it would have simply been the Electro gnosis that was brought to Sumeru and was used by Nahida with her dendro Gnosis. I honestly don't even know how I swapped them, since I had the loading screen image on my second monitor. I guess my brain stopped working for a second there!
@@listvg yes, I thought so, too, but then again, with Capitano officially being the first of the Fatui Harbingers, it's now impossible for Pierro to be both the founder but also the 10th Harbinger, it doesn't make sense
@@ShadowXImpact What if hes the mask above that Constellation wheel ? seems fiting and I do believe the fatui "visions" are different from regular sneznayan vision but thats just a theory for now because of Arlecchino having that casing even though she got her vision IN Fontaine BEFORE going to Sneznaya
@@Sacration I do believe that mask is his constellation, actually. As for Arlecchino, you're wrong. She got her Vision when she went to Snezhnaya to train in order to defeat Crucabena. She received her vision before she defeated Crucabena (she was wearing it, hidden near her heart, while she was fighting), but after she became the king. Once she became the king, she trained as hard as she could to close the gap between her and mother, and because she was the only kid left in the orphanage, the winner of the massacre, the strongest that would have become a Fatuus, she most likely went to Snezhnaya to train with the organization. Beside, we know that visions' Inlays always represent the nation they are given in, like Thoma, who's from Mondstadt, getting an Inazuman vision. So, Arlecchino's vision, just like Childe's, is the Snezhnayan vision but, for a reason we still don't know (and I think it's related to defying fate), their inlay is silver like Ororon's, so I believe that normal Snezhnayan vision holders do have golden, regular vision with that same inlay. Tldr, Arlecchino didn't get her vision in Fontaine, she was in Snezhnaya for some reason.
@WayneZvidza-qh2dp oh okay, yeah, that's basically the conclusion I came to in the video. The knight is the only chess piece who would actually use a sword, so the Hydro piece should be a knight because of that massive sword, that I still think it's the gnosis itself
Still missing on the discussion about the Night Kingdom vs Natlan's weak Ley-Lines. Well you mentioned it once and repeated the assertion that Natlan has no Ley-Lines that are not the Night Kingdom itself. I'm sure you'll never change your mind about this but several quotes prove you wrong, and yes I think PROVE is warranted. Mavuika: The Gnosis would drain all the souls and memories from the Night Kingdom and weave them into a giant net, which would surround the Ley Lines and protect them against Abyssal corrosion. The Night Kingdom not only houses the souls of the dead, but also our memories and legends. Using the Gnosis means converting all three into material for the net, erasing our history and culture. From this statement it is CLEAR that the Natlan Ley-Lines, while weak, do exist outside the Night Kingdom. Mavuika says once the Night Kingdom is consumed / destroyed they would be made into a net to protect "the Ley-Lines". But you say that there are NO Ley-Lines in Natlan except the Night Kingdom. That is a clear contradiction. It is true that in several places the game talks about NK and LL interchangeably and we're told the NK is a LL substitute / does much the same thing, however the opposite is not true; namely LL do not do everything that the NK does. NK has properties that make Natlan unique so while the NK act like LL they also do more. Natlan has LL (albeit weak LL) and they connect to the LL in the rest of Teyvat and to the Irminsul just like regular LL in all the other nations.
@@davidjohnson8273 and yet, the Night Kingdom is what the Envoy created by using what survived of the Ley lines of Natlan, as it was also stated multiple times, but you keep avoiding that because you would be wrong otherwise. The night kingdom is the Natlan version of the Ley Lines, it was made from the Ley Lines and it can be used to make new Ley Lines. When and if (it's never going to happen) you'll acknowledge that, which means acknowledging EVERYTHING that has been said, not just what you can use, then we'll talk
this is quite likely a reach but with the repeated showcase of "inner flame" it puts into question the true capabilities of signora. her entire body is made of flame, and the pale flame set repeatedly states a "pure white flame continued to burn within her heart" do we think this has any merit?
@@TheCrimsonWitchofFlames I think they're different things. Signora never received a vision first of all, but she was studying magic at the Akademiya in Sumeru when the cataclysm happened, and she used that magic to turn herself into a pyro elemental being. Now, I admit, it is still unclear what the difference is between magic and the elements, but we also don't have a lot about witches to understand it. Even with the Hexenzirkel, we don't really understand what the actual difference is, or what is magic in Teyvat
@@ShadowXImpact yes, i am extremely interested in the following possibility: one of the winning moves in deep blue vs gary, is a pawn reaching the end and becoming a queen. likewise, vision bearers can "ascend" to godhood [ascend from pawn to queen] and considering the fatui's goals, and arlecchino's voiceline about signora, calling her death a "sacrifice," is it possible that her death was planned so she could ascend from pawn to queen and take down celestia from the inside???
i'd like to know your thoughts on this. especially since we know the fatui was experimenting with phlogistion which allowed fatui soldiers to "respawn", and with phlogistion being the source of elemental energy, it makes me question the source of signora's "Liquid flame" is it also derivative of phlogistion, or is it another source entirely.
@@TheCrimsonWitchofFlames well, it's kinda hard to theorize on this, to be honest. If she was a needed or planned sacrifice, it's clear that she did know it was going to happen at all, but then again, why would Pierro promise her that her final resting place will be the entirety of the old world, if he decided to sacrifice her? Still, it's Hoyoverse, so the third descender is most likely going to be a woman, so if there's a reason behind her sacrifice, then it could be using her to bring the third descender back to life. Yes, nothing remained of Signora, she turned I to ashes, but then again, she wasn't really a human anymore, she became a pyro elemental being, so her moths going back to Snezhnaya could mean that there might be something of her, some sort of elemental remains that they either got back or simply went back on their own (like the moth). If that's the case, since the queen and king have been swapped, then the pawn would become the king in this case and, as I said in the video, I think the third descender is the king, so it still fits with my idea. I don't know how the players would take it if they brought her back to life only for her not to really be Signora anymore...
@@ShadowXImpact personally i think pierro and signora set this entire thing up, as a way to reignite the power of prime crimson witch. in pierro's artifact set "pale flame" he says this upon discovering signora "You astound me. You have but a human body, and yet you carry such a power within you." For The Director of the fatui, rank 0, to be astounded by signora's prime power, it should suggest she had quite a powerful ability then, no? plus the lazzo line "it's time we end tonight's foolish theatrics" and childe's line saying signora is "two steps ahead" along with the crimson witch artifact stating signora had to become ashes in order to transform, it really seems like he's trying to repeat the cycle and reignite the embers of the crimson witch. what do you think?
I still disagree with the gnosis chess peice identity because why would pyro be rook even though it’s an element known for death destruction and rebirth it feels more qualified for the knight peice it is true we don’t know why the elements are in that order but if we pair them together it will give of cryo/geo dendro/electro and pyro/hydro anemo is left alone since it’s a queen and doesn’t have a counter part plus we also have to take into perspective of what the elements represent you were the one who said that the cryo element represents the fake sky which is also theorized to be protecting teyvat from the abyss so if your right then the cryo gnosis being knight doesn’t fit that particular element if their one thing both geo and cryo represent is preservation and or protection so it would make sense if their rook notice how both of the cryo sand geo slimes also share a shield which directly contradicts what you say abt the cryo gnosis being the knight it would make more sense if cryo and geo were rook and would fit better in a narrative sense For pyro and hydro they have the most connection to being knight for one natlan is a nation of war while Fontaine is a nation of justice not to mention their the only nations so far to have been on the brick of extinction due to a fated end that both of the archons wish to defy notice how both the pyro and hydro slime’s themselves are the only liquid based slimes plus theirs pretty much nothing connecting pyro to being a rook which looks look like a tower fortress that is common for protecting but all of the pyro archons and the pyro element in general is about how it’s destructive the pyro archon being called the god of war should have been an obvious clue and for dendro and and electro I agree that their both bishops because their slimes and elements also share some connection but since you released this video I will tell you another vid talking abt the gnosis and how it goes deeper into the gnosis as a whole and what their role could be Their a RUclipsr called genshin bane who made a vid abt the gnosis some time ago the video is called a game of fate with the gnosis as the thumbnail I highly suggest you watch it I mean you did tell me to remind you to go watch the vid
@@isaiahhaley4816 yes, but pyro is also behind Rebirth, so protecting life... See where I'm getting to? And yes, I said that Cryo might have been used to create the fake sky (and I still believe it), but at the same time, you agree that Geo is the rook, and yet, how doesn't the ground represent a shield? Plus, we're talking about the Primordial elements, not the human elements that derive from Phlogiston, we should start making a real difference between them now. You did see the base of the Pyro Gnosis, right? And you can't find any reference to a tower still? Also, about defying fate and the heavenly principles, remember what Makoto did in the end. If that wasn't defying the heavenly principles, creating something in the past in a place where they're "free from the clutches of the heavenly principles", then I don't know what it is. Even Zhongli making a deal with the Tsaritsa is an act of defiance. I'll watch the video soon, thanks for reminding me
@ yes the base of the pyro gnosis does look similar to the geo one but it doesn’t mean that it’s the same piece if it was a rook then the crown would look like it also rebirth doesn’t mean protecting life. It’s just a new form of it if our life comes from the primordial, sea and dendro nurtures that life then pyro is a way for that life to end and be reborn again it’s not a form of protection but instead a form of change the geo gnosis is rook because the element represents a sense of preservation and protection which also what cryo is as well not to mention if you melt geo and cryo they turn into hydro and pyro it makes sense for hydro and Pyro to be the knight pieces one because they are both considered living entities that possess a will and furina and mavuika both have very strong wills despite being humans mavuika is an inheritor of xabalanques will while furina possesses a will as strings as the gods both showing clear parallels to each other not to mention again their lines and hypostasis are both is liquid based formes once again, showing their connection and familiarity while all life comes from water it is also represented as a lit fire and one Starfire goes out that life is done the reason why I don’t think the pyro gnosis is a rook is because it doesn’t have any cubic similarity especially with the crown it doesn’t make any sense for Pyro to be represented as a rook when the element is very clear to be represented as destruction even nanook the aeon of destruction, has flames around himself
The idea of the sword of Damocles is interesting, even if I can't really see it. The zodiac sign idea is interesting, but there is around 24/25 tarot cards, so I don't know if that fit the harbingers, or rather if it fit only the harbingers. As for the gnosis.. there is one thing weird. If it is supposed to maintain Teyvat rules intact. First weird point, why give them to people who after barely 2000years don't give a shit about them. And secondly why are they so fragile? If Nahida can threaten to break it, that mean it's really not sturdy at all
@@hirods9889 well, apart from the sword, yes, there are 22 major arcana and many more minor arcana, but only 12 of the major arcana are officially associated to the zodiac signs. The association wasn't my theory, it's something that actually exists. As for the gnoses, they were given to the Archons probably becuase they would care more for their own lives and those of their people, so they wouldn't willingly sacrifice themselves, nor would the people decide to give up on the protection of their Archon, so the divine throne would be safe. I doubt Celestia would have ever predicted Focalors' plan. As for how fragile they are, well, would Nahida actually be able to break a gnosis? It was a gamble, she didn't know what would happen if she did, but it also means that she doesn't know whether it's actually possible. It's not like anyone tried before
@ShadowXImpact with how severe some things are in teyvat I doubt celestia would be that careless. It was a gamble on whether it would awaken the heavenly principle or not. If she couldn't break it I don't believe dottore would have taken the bait
@@hirods9889 yeah, but then again, the Archons are the overseeres of the human realm and they exist to protect and guide their people, just as much as the people revere the Archons, even when they do something they disagree with, like in Inazuma and in Fontaine. Despite the tyrannical decisions of the shogun, most people still believed in and followed her, while in Fontaine, even though the people didn't take Furina seriously, mocked her behind her back and they not everybody liked how justice became a spectacle, they still believed in their Archon. The only nation where that didn't happen was Sumeru, becuase the people kept following Rukkhadevata, but that ended up being resolved anyway. As for the gamble, yes, she was talking about awakening the heavenly principles, but as I said, no one has ever attempted to break a gnosis, so how could she be sure that it could be broken to begin with? Visions don't break, for example, and some of our characters really tried their worst to break them!
@ShadowXImpact that still doesn't explain why they were given to the Archons or why they give them up. It's like the tops of a company handing over all the secret files of their company to another. The first one got "stolen" barely. But nobody actually cares. And it's supposed to represent the rules of the world? xD
@@hirods9889 well, maybe it doesn't matter if they get stolen because, normally, they can't be used by any other being except for the right Archon? Or, to be more precise, only one or the two powers of the gnoses can by used by someone else, the power related to the Ley Lines (weaving a net with souls, accessing memories, creating indemnitium from belief), but only the correct Archon can use the fighting power, which is the only thing that can destroy a divine throne (unleashing the true power of the gnosis, so the sword or the sun). Still, if they didn't give them to the overseers of the human realm, it's not like they had many other alternatives. Having created the gnoses, means that they can't keep them, so the best option is to give them to the being that rule over Teyvat, so they represent the acknowledgment of those beings as Archons by Celestia, the order they created
>Shows the Devil Tarot card It better be the Traveler; Paimon is, after all, the most loyal of Lucifer's followers, just as our little silvery companion is to the Traveler... Or... Could it be...Paimon, instead? She *_is_* silver, a metallic gray. Anyways, I'll keep watching lol 8:23 So, the Traveler and Paimon 🗣️🗣️🗣️ 13:14 Gwait, no way it could be Ororon... 8:12 We literally don't know how he got his vision, and he had it long before the fight with the Narwhal. The Narwhal has only gone to the Primordial Sea once, else, there wouldn't be a Teyvat in which to play the game. Childe most likely got it after coming back from the Abyss, after his training gave him new resolve or something.
@@KyzenEX Ok, since you're the second person so far who said this, let's make it clear. The traveler is not and is not going to be the tenth harbinger, it makes no sense, really. Plus, we have 11 constellation symbols, and neither the traveler, nor the sibling, nor Ororon (his constellation is in the Pilgrim's Chronicle, it looks like a bat) have one of those constellations. Same goes for Paimon, but I'll make a video on her, so wait for that one. As for Childe. He fell into an "unknown abyss" when he was a kid, and there he met the Narwhal, which gave him his hydro powers, that's literally what he told us in Fontaine and what we already knew from his character story. Now, the place where he fell into the "unknown abyss" disappeared after he got out, so he most likely didn't fall into the actual abyss, he was brought to the Primordial Sea, where Surtalogi was raising his narwhal pet, because these all-devouring Narwhals, as we were told, feed on the Primordial seas of the planets they encounter. Skirk, who "happened" to be there where he fell (reason why I think he didn't accidentally fall, it was a trap just for him) then trained him to teach him how to fight and pass onto him Surtalogi's Legacy, the Foul Legacy
@@ShadowXImpactLemme cope :;. Also, it could still be Paimon hehe. Either way, I said Ororon because of his Vision's gray encasing (something we only see with Harbingers (sadly we don't have any non-Harbinger delusion-haver as a playable character)), so he's the only option (as of now) who could fit the description of a Natlanese with ties to the Fatui who has shown up during the Archon Quest, and he's been pretty close to Il Capitano so far. Although, I just remembered the pattern with the 2nd Harbinger showing up way later during the chapter (Mondstadt/Prologue Chapter does break the "rule"). *_If_* there is a 2nd Harbinger in Natlan at all, that is. As per Childe, maybe yes, maybe not. But, why wait for so long to let the Narwhal eat the Primordial Sea? I mean, maybe it was just to test Childe's growth, but idk, it just doesn't sit right with me. Also, I seriously doubt the Narwhal was just a little thing, small enough to give Childe a fight but not to be a threat to Teyvat by taking it to the Primordial Sea back then, it's been a relatively (for the Narwhal and Surtalogi, maybe even Skirk) short period of time between the two events, after all. Also, we really have no idea of what the abyss really looks like, or how many such "spaces" there are, as it is clear that the place where Tartaglia fell was just somewhere outside regular Teyvat, but considering Surtalogi and Skirk, I doubt it was far away from the actual space taken over by the Abyss. Also, I wanna take the opportunity to tell you something I've noticed, and that is that, when you open the door to Teyvat during the loading screen, for a brief second, the background of the Spiral Abyss's Chamber selection screen can be seen on the sides. It's a detail that's been eating away at my head and I need to tell someone with more brains that I have, and I still can't decide whether to give it further thought or maybe attribute it to weird asset priority behaviour, which would be the lamer option tbh.
@KyzenEX well, I still think Ororon can't be a Harbinger because of the constellation, since we have 11 constellations for them. Yes, he got close to Capitano, but that was to protect Citlali and he even was lucky that Capitano is a good guy (excluding his first and second plan), but I don't really see him becoming one of the Fatui. He has no qualms with the heavenly principles, so why would he join them? As for the vision, in my last video I shared some possibilities for the silver casing, and it's either related to his soul (which cna also apply to Arlecchino and Childe) or having defied fate (again, it applies to the other two). As for Childe, I still think he was taken on purpose to that abyss, in order to give him Surtalogi's legacy. It's just too much of a coincidence that he suddenly fell into the abyss, found the narwhal, met Skirk, she taught him to fight, she gave him the legacy and set him free... As for the door, I've never seen that, I'll check it out tomorrow (it's 4am, I need to go to sleep!). I'll record the video and watch it frame by frame. Still, I've always said in my videos that I believe that door to be the entrance to Teyvat, and that it is in the abyss, so it would make sense. Remember that the twins tried to escape Teyvat through the abyss, so to get in and out, you need to go through it. Plus, the two meteors in the opening cutscenes were going toward musk reef, where the abyss is...
Harbinger crystal colours feels like a swing and a miss. You're over thinking it all. The Harbinger crystal colours don't mean anything and are just coloured with the same highlight colour as their model. * Pierro is a pale blue (not green) matching his necklace perfectly and his eye. * Childe's is red matching (as you said) his scarf * Arlecchino's colours are red/black of course, as are her eyes. * Pulcinella's main colour is a darker blue than his crystal but his scarf is the right light blue. * Sandrone's orange matches her cloak thing * Capitano is black obviously * Columbina's is basically white (considering the blue filter the whole scene is in) and with a little red - just like her clothes. * Pantalone is purple like his clothes and his rings * Dottore's is a light blue like his test tube fluid and other details. Sets of 12 colours are pretty common. The absence of Scaramouche and 10th give you two outs. It's pretty easy to make most sets of 12 colours fit. Try it with -- I dunno - birthstones maybe -- all sort of sets of 12. There's a few problems though. Arlecchino is black-red and not a single colour which will never fit. And doesn't fit the Zodiac. Brown? Good grief. Come on man. You think her crystal is brown??? It's not. Swing and a miss. Capitano is another issue because groups of 12 colours usually don't include black and white, or if they do it's both. So make Columbina white and it's easier for you. The other issue is there's too many blue-ish colours and not a single green. But you can use your 2 missing harbingers to fill in that gap. But does anyone thing Scaramouche is green? As for the matching with the major Arcana, as I said with the Hypostases which you also think are linked to them, you can always just make up some nonsense to pretend there's a link. If you had made your decision as to which major Arcana you thought matched each Harbinger BEFORE looking then that would have been impressive. After the fact it's meaningless. Well it means you have an agile imagination.
@@davidjohnson8273 listen, I'm actually getting sick of your attitude to be honest. I was writing a longer reply, but I then realized how pointless that is with you. It's been years that I've been telling you I won't accept your rudeness, and here we are. Your comments are not constructive, it's just your attempt at belittling and mocking my efforts and research. So no, I'm not overthinking things, nor am I swinging and missing. You make yourself sound so high and mighty with "it just represents their model colors" and yet, you're too focused on mocking my theory to even stop and think "why have their models been designed with those colors?" "why is Childe red if he's hydro and Electro?" "why is signora yellow if she's Pyro and cryo?". So for once, do yourself a favor and think. Lastly, Pierro is light green, not blue, and Colombina is pink, not red. At the very least, double check things before speaking
i feel like it does have a little teaser to their lore. For me, this is mostly bc of Sandrone's orange rarely showing up, and it's a little coincidental that azosite, which powers a lot of Khaenriahn technology, is also orange which fits her obsession with robots.
@@CreatrixTiara what's Homestuck? Anyway, no, I researched them and, although there aren't universally recognized colors, I picked the color scheme that most astrology websites agreed with
@ShadowXImpact it's a very complex webcomic about a group of kids that create a new universe via a video game (this is oversimplified). There are a group of trolls based on the Zodiac that also have associated colours, and a couple of yours matched!
@@phoenixgrimoire3833 in the game, the crystal is grey, but in the night's Lazzo video it's black, especially compared with Colombina's crystal which is actually grey but with a pink core. Considering how the 3d characters are always less detailed than in the videos, I think the right colors are those from the video, at least that's my thought process
@ShadowXImpact Then how do you explain that small gray crystal on his coat? You can actually see it during the animation short with Arlecchino. You even said that the colored crystals was on the coat when you brought up Signora. And before you say anything, I double checked before writing this.
@phoenixgrimoire3833 okay, I had a doubt about how I worded my comment before. There is a difference between drawings used in some videos (like the Winter Night's Lazzo video and Song of Burning Embers) and the 3D model used in game, which is the same model used for the cutscenes (like the fighting scene) and the demo videos. The 3D models are obviously different from the drawings, so while in the game the crystal on the coat is grey (and in that fighting scene you don't see the crystal at the end of the coat because Capitano is using a different coat altogether), in the Winter Night's Lazzo video, so in the drawing, the crystal is actually black, just like the crystal at the end of the coat and the storm shield (which is fabric, so it wouldn't change according to the lighting). Since those drawings are the official art, I believe those are the ones that need to be taken into consideration, especially since that's where we see all the Harbingers together. I also think that the 3D model's crystal became grey simply because in the game, if it were black, it would have been really hard to see, which isn't a problem when it comes to art, because the artist gets to decide how the lighting works
@@ShadowXImpact Nobody's faulting you. Even back then, I thought that his crystal was going to be black just like in the teaser. But that was before Arlecchino. Now, I wondering if the black crystal is actually for the 10th harbinger instead of the 1st. As for why I thought that his zodiac would be Capricorn? It has to do with what you said about the Devil Arcana, that it represents the feeling of being trapped. At first I thought it was referring to the curse of immortality, but then I recalled what he said to Ororon after his fight with Mavuika, that he "heard" something from here (by that, I mean the burnt mark on his chest). Some speculated that he may actually have souls in his body, which would explain where Guthred came from when he Grand Theft Ororon. As for how he could've stored those souls into him? I would like to think that maybe Ayizu taught him how to do that. ...Ugh! I made Capitano look like he's Legion, didn't I?
@phoenixgrimoire3833 well, I actually also think he has the souls of his legion inside of him, I said it in my 5.1 analysis video, but even with that in mind, I still think he's Death, because it represents the end of something and the beginning of something new, and Capitano went to the Lord of the Night to ask her for her help to save both Khaenri'ah and Natlan, so my thought is that he will use those souls, his own included, to pay for both Mavuika and Xilonen's debts, so that they may keep living after creating the traveler's ancient name and after defeating the abyss with Ronova's powers. So he would mark the end of Natlan's problem with the abyss, and give Natlan a hope for the future, a new beginning in which they're finally free
@@callmeandoru2627 why??? You're the third viewer who said so, and I still can't understand why the traveler would be the 10th harbinger. I mean, we have 11 constellations for them, so the Harbinger already exists, plus it wouldn't make sense for Childe to be the 11th harbinger and not the 10th if the spot was open, but above all, the traveler doesn't even have a real constellation, and the pseudo one he's got, is not even remotely similar to any of the symbols
@@AlezandraOcampo oh, the video wasn't even supposed to come out today, so we could say I'm earlier than you! I picked the wrong date when I scheduled the release 🤣
As for the 2nd half of the video about the Gnoses, Descenders and chess pieces I don't see anything to agree with [outside of the first minute of recapping what we've been explicitly told], but it's a cloudy sort of area of the lore so I'll mostly let it go. Mostly. * the Gnoses and Visions are to suppress the Abyss, not the Light Realm, and not to stop dragons getting their "authorities", which were not "stolen" * the Traveler has nothing to do with Visions * the Statues of Seven have nothing to do with Irminsul * the Nails have nothing to do with being a set of elements, one each. I doubt there's one per nation either. We agree that any chess theory (but yours) like the new one about them all being kings, is dumb. I just think one more chess theory is dumb than you do! Chess theory is a total red herring. I like your observation that Pierro doesn't play with the Cryo gnosis. But I think a simpler explanation is that the Tsaritsa doesn't have her own gnosis. Either way it explains why the Harbingers don't try to put together the 7 gnoses in Natlan but instead we have to wait.
@@davidjohnson8273 oh now the authorities of the dragons weren't even stolen, even though Focalors literally said that... Okay... Who knows what game you're playing...
@@justsomeguywithgreenhair stealing something doesn't really mean taking something in secret. You can steal something from a person right in front of their face. Stealing means taking something that doesn't belong to you without the owner's consent and without the intention of giving it back. As a consequence, whether you call it usurping or stealing, the definition is literally the same. Though, that wasn't even the point of the main comment here. The purpose here was to just mock me and my theories, acting all superior as if he helf the truth, while conveniently never telling this supposed truth. I prefer directing my time to replying to people who disagree with my theories but are still trying to be constructive, sharing their theories, fully knowing that they are theories and that they can be as wrong as I can be.
The 12 steps of some obscure dude's alchemical processes is more you seeing a pattern (after the fact) where none exists by matching vague things with other vague things. Again if this had been intentional then the ordering would match up and you would have (quite rightly) bragged about the 1000s to one odds against such an ordering match by random luck. There's an ordering of the Harbingers, an ordering of the Zodiac, an ordering of the 12 super obscure alchemical steps you managed to find, and an ordering of the Harbinger constellations within the Harbinger wheel. And none of them match any of the others. But my theory works pretty well on the ordering still despite Arlecchino being a bust over their description of her as having a sort of dual personality. Namely the ordering of the Harbingers matches the ordering of the constellations in the Wheel from the top right hand side, to the top left side, to the 2nd row right, 2nd row left etc all the way down to the bottom. And as I've said before the odds of this happening by random luck is 1000s : 1 against. This is not a match made up random observation to cards or Zodiac signs. The ordering down the Wheel exactly matches the ordering by rank of every known harbinger. 1 : Capitano (you agree) 2 : Dottore (you agree) 3 : Columbina (you agree) 4 : Crucabena (you say this is Pantalone) 4 : Arlecchino (you agree) 5 : Pulcinella (you agree) 6 : Scaramouche (you agree) 7 : Sandrone (you say this is the non-existent 10th Harbinger 8 : Signora (you agree) 9 : Pantalone (you say this is Sandrone) 11 : Childe (you agree) The odds of a fit that good by chance is very low. This is good evidence. Matching stuff about cards to Zodiac to alchemical steps etc is not. I mean if it was an actual match it would be great evidence but none of it fits and you don't get any matching ordering. It's true that on this basis I assumed (because they said Arlecchino had a dual personality which was a total lie) the two 4th rank Harbingers would both be Arlecchino twice, and yes it's a boring solution, but the fact is we have 10 Harbingers and 11 constellations so we need one more and that is Crucabena who was also a 4th rank harbinger who came before Arlecchino chronologically and therefore in the Wheel ordering too. In a sense Crucabena is the shadow side of Arlecchino. The "mother" to her "father". But that doesn't really matter. The point is that Arlecchino's story revealed the existence of another 4th ranked harbinger. Yes, in a completely boring and shitty way which really disappointed me, but all my theory wanted was a 2nd 4th ranked Harbinger (or a 2nd 3rd ranked harbinger would also have worked).
@@davidjohnson8273 I'm not even replying to this. I stopped at "bragged about the 1000s to one odds against such ordering march by random luck". I don't deal with luck, I research things, I study them, and then I come to conclusions. As always, your rudeness precedes you
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I somehow swapped Dendro and Electro from the loading screen (I don't know how, since I had the image on the second monitor), but that doesn't change anything for the theory, since the conclusion is still the same
personally i think that the healing hand constellation is actually Capitano's, as it originates from similar cultures that Natlan is based offf of, and it is a symbol of protection, which Capitano is shown doing [protecting the people, protecting xilonen, etc.]
@@TheCrimsonWitchofFlames but Capitano is not from Natlan, so it wouldn't really make sense for him to be represented by a Mesoamerican symbol
Might be a reach but since you're tapping into the topic of alchemy, tarot, colors and symbols, Pantalone's constelation resembles the Antimony symbol, it also plays into the duality of man, it's wild nature and ambition, which is very fitting for him. Just food for thought tho.
@@opalakv4ob never heard of Antimony before, I'll have to research it, so yeah, it's food for thought for sure!
Touching on Antimony, I doubt Pantalone constellation is related to it, but mostly because it's already on another Harbinger
Tartaglia scarf has a symbol on its end that looks eerily similar to the symbol of Antimony, and its meaning fits him perfectly, so I doubt it's a coincidence
@@sewing1847 Duality def fits Childe
I find it funny that before I interpreted the harbingers with the coats with the crystals as "ohh so cute they have outfits matching their color palette" lmao
@@Keiki-kun and now you can go down the rabbit hole just like I did and question everything you see 🤣🤣
@ShadowXImpact well... time to over analyze everything I see from now on
only Genshin to make me interested in astrology, tarot cards and signs 😂
@@Keiki-kun well, apart from believing or not in them, they are still part of the culture of the world, so it's knowledge that is worth learning about. At least, that's how I see it!
People don't realize life has lore lol.
They call it religion. So I dont blame a lot of people, but hey. I guess that's where delusions come in. Lmao
I can't believe I never noticed the Fatuis crystal accessoires being in different colours 😂
This is the earliest (and latest) I've ever been here, I'll use this as audio to fall asleep, I'll watch the video properly tomorrow
Have a nice sleep then!
Though, the video wasn't supposed to come out today... If you didn't leave a comment, I wouldn't have noticed I got the wrong day! Well, what's done is done
@Schnubi lol i thought I was the only one using genshin theories to fall asleep 😂😂
OMG I love your designs for the Dendro, Hydro, and Cryo Gnoses
@@stardaze6236 Thank you!!!!!!
@@ShadowXImpactyeah it looks legit
The part with the gnosis made so much senseee!!
@@jhonatanboodram2109 I guess we now need to wait and see if I got it right!
In the beginning of the video I was waiting for Sagittarius’s color because that’s my zodiac sign, and since I’ve never heard about the association of the zodiac signs with colors or Tarot Cards before I was genuinely curious what it would be. I’m surprised that it’s purple.
Brown is technically a shade of orange but it’s also the color of dried blood so it still checks out for Arlecchino.
I know you said that you felt your Dendro Gnosis design was plain, but I think it kinda looks like the flower carriage, which is nice.
I think I deluded myself into remembering Scaramouche mention some sort of divine spark. He didn’t. Ever. What I did remember was the reason he was able to connect to Irminsul was because he had traces of divine power, which is also what he used to shield us from Nahida inside of Inner Irminsul. I may have heard divine spark somewhere else but I’m not sure where. It IS a term in Gnosticism, but I don’t think I knew that before. Maybe I did, but I usually remember stuff like that and where I heard it.
Whatever this misremembrance was, it does seem to be the basis of the “inner flame” mentioned by Mavuika.
@@gyannunez well, consider that I'm Virgo and brown is definitely not my favorite color at all... But I'm happy with Arlecchino representing Virgo!
Yeah, it's more orange than red, but then again, orange is a variant of red.... Still, as you said, it can still make sense for her.
So, it probably looks like the flower carriage because I literally stole the designs from Nahida's clothes, from Sumeru's logo and from Nahida's weapon (that I pulled for and I also got!!!!)
Yeah, it kinda sound alike something that has been said in the game, but I don't know where as well. I hear in my head a woman saying it, but I can't recognize the voice. It is a calm voice, like Focalors kind of speech when she spoke gently with Neuvillette. Still, yes, that inner flame I think is going to become a very important thing in Teyvat in general very soon!
Interesting how the alchemy gates are in order of their rank
@@hazelmaple I was shocked when I saw how fitting they were, especially considering the alchemical process goes toward perfection, so it also makes sense to put Pierro first, because he started the Fatui, and then the Harbingers from the lowest (imperfect) rank to the highest (most perfect) rank
For what we're calling Pantalone's constellation, I believe that they were calling it "heresy" for it's similarity to the sacred heart. I think it's most likely a globus cruciger.
@@MinLeanneVerrill the problem with the cruciger, is that Pantalone's symbol has the tip of the sword coming out of the bottom, so it's basically a sword with a kind of templar handle, and the other weird thing, is that circle with two different lines on the sides that is in the middle of the winged "shield". I tried looking for something that really looked similar, but apart from a prop medieval unrealistic shield that acts as a sheath for the sword, I couldn't really find anything at all.
If the "shield" is a divine heart, the heart of Teyvat, then he's just probably trying to stab it with his sword...
you cooked!!! the tarot cards plus alchemical harbingers kinda blew my mind---- i've been a longtime believer of diluc's father being the missing 10th harbinger (or was) but a Natlanese harbinger definitely makes more sense..... very thought-provoking!
@@peachcloudx1672 thank you!!! I'm happy you liked the video!!!
If the Harbinger is indeed Natlanese, I guess we'll find out soon enough.. Well maybe not that soon, considering we would need 5.3 to be over first, so it's more than 2 months...
Venti willing give back his authority to Devlin, The Gnosis maybe acts as a battery that can channel elemental authority (without potential backfiring).
However This theory also has problems, We haven't seen Zhongli give up his authority yet, My personal theory is that, He can't use because it could kill him, It's too much raw power without the Gnosis the Geo authority of Teyvat.
@@azarthefireelf4877 the theory that the ball of anemo that Venti gave Dvalin was the authority, could make sense, until 4.2. If it was that easy to give back, why would have Focalors had to do all of that for 500 years just to give Neuvillette his authority back and save the people of Fontaine? So, clearly, Venti just shared his power, which is what Dvalin actually said. If I remember correctly, he said "is this the power of the Anemo Archon?", which is a different power from the authority of the dragons, since the Anemo element is an evolution of Phlogiston.
As for Zhongli, he tried with all his might to seal Azhdaha because he lost his mind since the people broke the Ley Lines in the Chasm, so why would he give him even more power?
i would also love to see a scenario of a harbinger being recruited as part of the story. we kind of saw a little of that in arlechinno's story, but it wasn't enough. for a while i thought maybe ororon can be, since he's now technically friends with capitano ( his words lol ). and since the fatui helped everyone in natlan, i feel the people would be less aggressive towards them after all this archon quest. it would also make natlan have a tie to snez. not that each region needs one, but it would be helpful for strategy. im just thinking outloud. i hope capitano doesn't die, though.
@@hydroho we do have the constellations for all 11 Harbingers and we already know what Ororon's constellation looks like (it's in the pilgrim's chronicle), so at best, he could become a Fatuus but not a Harbinger, but then again, why would he? He's one of the heroes of Natlan, so he already has something important in his life.
As for having a connection with Snezhnaya, Fontaine was also kinda connected with them, they have a sort of "friendship", but Snezhnaya is still trying to get the gnoses, so I doubt anyone would really associate themselves with them.
I also hope he doesn't die, but it really looks like it's going that way and it makes too much sense for him to sacrifice himself... Hopefully, they'll find a way to save him?
OH MY GOD THAT'S SUCH A GOOD VIDEO I LIVE FOR THIE LORE!!! I Just love all the connections, everything matches Perfectly!!! (Am Also glad to represent Piero, the main "Bad Guy" as Pisces lol. This deserves more attention , you put do much effort in this...
@@Venjoy_zzz thank you!!!!
I'm really happy that I get to represent Arlecchino instead, she's my favorite Harbinger so far, and I highly doubt any of the others will be better than her!
As for the visibility, there's not a lot we can do, everything is in the hand of the algorithm, and it seems every time I upload something, it just looks away. Maybe one day, as the channel slowly gets bigger, my videos will automatically get more attention, despite what the algorithm wants
You deserve all the views man. Columbina is the most interesting Harbinger for me, she's my absolute favourite and no one comes close (Arlecchino is my 2 fav) Her Lore and theories are so intriguing and her design as well...I shared this video to The reddit of Fatui/HQ and Columbina Mains since am part of both of them, if the combination of about 30K members from both of them decide to click the link, hopefully you can grow more! Literally one of the best Lore channels there is!@@ShadowXImpact
@Venjoy_zzz thank you for everything you said and for sharing my video!!!! I am very intrigued by Colombina, mainly because I want to know if she's actually a Seelie. I mean, she would drop so much lore if she is! But even then, Father would still be my favorite! 😂
amazing video!
@@Myraclesdream thank you!!!!!
Sorry for the late reply, I never got a notification!!!
11:35 it could also be a "Reichsapfel" /imperial orb. It represents the emperor's authority over the material world and his landownership. It could be a metaphor for Pantalone's "worldy" power over currency through the snezhnayan bank and his one-sided rivalry with Rex Lapis, who prior to his "passing" minted Mora with the Geo Gnosis. Pantalone became the new ruler over the economy, the material world and thereby the new "emporor".
The Harbinger's constilation could represent their reasons for joining the Fatui, maybe even the Power of their Delusion. For example Scaramouche and gaining a heart or tempering Signora's flames.
@@theoreinshagen4934 well, it is clear, I think, that Pantalone joined the Fatui to crush Teyvat's economy, gaining a power over the world, since he never received the vision he wanted, so that could be a good explanation for his life goal in scripted in his constellation, but an imperial orb doesn't look right, mainly because it really looks like a sword behind or through something, since there's the tip coming out from below... What's also bothering me, is how the hilt of this supposed sword, looks a lot like a templar thing. Maybe it'll bring up some sort of reference to the holy grail?
Thats litteraly the first thing I thought about when that Trailer droped years ago but everyone kept saying it was the heresy symbol and I wasnt that knowledgable on the subject so I just kinda went with the flow
@@ShadowXImpact The symbol on his ring looks less sword-like, so it could be a styliesation to emphasize the conquering aspect 🤷♂️
@@Sacration yeah, the heresy thing just came out of nowhere and everybody just got 100% convinced by it without thinking about it twice, me included. Back then, I didn't try to understand that symbol, it just came out on the research, so it had to be it. Everybody though it was Dottore's symbol, although I kept saying it had to be the plague mask doctor but obviously almost no one listened (and I was right), but once we all saw Dottore with the mask on his shoulder, finally people started thinking about the heresy symbol again, because it didn't apply anymore.
We will find an answer sooner or later, either on our own or when we'll meet Pantalone directly
@@theoreinshagen4934 yeah, on his ring, it looks different, except for that templar looking cross at the top of the thing that in the constellation looks like a sword... I think I should research the templar a little more maybe...
3:15 so sandrone is not a girl harbinger but that big robot and he carries his robot sister? This is too much to take😭
@@Sotik0 that's what I've always though. Alain Guillotine had been working on ruin machines most of his life and when he retired, he closed himself in his workshop and disappeared, leaving behind traces of "something big" being built. Fontaine was also all about extracting memories, souls, personas and placing them somewhere else, so I don't really see that as too far fetched. Plus, the ruin machine is dressed in Fontainian clothes...
@@ShadowXImpactthank you for the interesting theories!
@Sotik0 thank you for watching!
Great video! Also amazing design of the gnosis! I hope hoyo will see this and just buy this design from you cuz they look so so nice!
@@patrykburski2148 Thank you!! I'm happy you liked it!!!
Well, considering how I used designs that already exist in the game to make those gnoses (and also how they're not really that good, to be honest), I can hardly even dream of being contacted by hoyo to buy those concepts! 😂
I hear some of the names of the tarot cards and I just get reminded of jojo stands LOL
@@AlezandraOcampo ZA WOORDO!!
Ah, yeah, first generation of jojo stands named after taro cards, you didn't read manga/watch anime?
pantalone's symbol reminds me of that "worms 3D" holy grenade
besides that a biblical staff decor of a pope or something of the same line as the holy grenade
as for who we will see in natlan, it's likely to be Columbina as for leaks because we knew capitano would be in natlan also suggested her to be in natlan
@@dragondevil69 HAAAAAALLELUJAH! BOOOM! I loved that weapon!!!! That was my favorite one! Oh, the memories.... But yeah, it kinda does look like it!
Thank god I stopped at "as for leaks". Did you, buly any chance, hear in the disclaimer that leaks are not welcome on this channel? How else can I make it even clearer than that? It's a theory channel, why would I want to know leaks? How am I supposed to make theories if I already know what's going to happen?
@@ShadowXImpact well to be fair it's a sussy leak as for who will show up, nothing reliable or confirmed(besides capitano as we've seen him)
and i do apologies as i did not read the disclaimers nor the description
Correlating the harbingers to the tarot cards blew my mind. Excellent video!
@@daten9075 Thank you!!! Sorry for replying so late, I never received a notification, I just saw your comments while scrolling in the comment section!
Great video as always!!!
@@Jota_dot thank you!!!!!
I feel jebaited. At 6:52 at the start you said you'd talk more about the missing 10th harbinger, even assigned them a zodiac (Capricorn) tarot card (The Devil) & color (Gray), but then... didn't share your theory or speculations...
@@lathamtk sorry for the late reply, I never received a notification, but I did share my theory when I talked about the healing hand. That's really all I got, I mean, it's an unknown harbinger, so there's so much I can theorize while remaining coherent with what we have, which is essentially just the image of the constellation
0:16 props to Nahida for collab with you
@@genshin_lore_enjoyer yeah!!!! I just had to include her in the video, she is one of my favorite characters anyway!
And sorry for replying so late, I never got a notification, so I didn't see your (an many other's) comment!
By far this might be my favourite 3rd descender theory and it makes a bit sense
Also here's the new thought for you shadow
:- you remember dainslief constellation is the oroborus?
Rene there's a black snake in BP story that uses the pearl to trick the heir?
So what if i told you the snake/abyss gave dainslief power similar to nibelung and 5 sinners but this time it made a bet with dainslief to see if humanity can avoid getting engulfed by the abyss
And what if i told you dainslief used that power and bargain to stop his corruption
And at the end of the game at the sea of flowers dain will try to ascend and become a deacender just like aether but he is too soft for that he challenges aether to defeat him and set him aside and ascend as a true god just like PO did but he will actually fix everything by using the future to fix the past and make sure the present is working like as it should be
And you remember the guy called Kevin from honkai right he had a org called world serpent what if i told you dainslief boss will be same as him a pinnacle of power a man holding his monster form back and through the ring of nibelun finally becomes the dragon from beyond if you look at both of them they share many similarities and the snake being one of them and their hidden strength
@@osmial first of all, sorry for replying so late. There is an ocean of comments I never received a notification for, and I'm replying to all of them now that I noticed.
As for Dainsleif and the serpent, your theory is really nice, but I think, or better yet, I've always believed that the serpent doesn't represent the abyss power but forbidden knowledge, the "temptation" that the Primordial One sealed away to prevent people from acquiring it, reason why Forbidden Knowledge can destroy the world (basically the world is made so that it can never use it) while the abyss can exist without worldwide repercussions, albeit still dangerous.
I do believe there is a connection between Dainsleif and Kevin, and that actually feels coherent with my theory. Khaenri'ah didn't try to get the power of the abyss, they were stealing powers from beyond the sky, so forbidden knowledge, just like the Flame-Chasers used the Honkai to modify themselves (well, Möbius modified them, but you get what I mean). So, the power the Sinners obtained, a "world-shattering" power is still Forbidden Knowledge (which we know can shatter the world), and Dainsleif, although he says he's not part of them, also acquired that same power, reason why Lumine said he was at fault for not saving Khaenri'ah. He had the power to at least try, but he didn't. This could also explain why Capitano, who bears the curse, had his body rot, while Dainsleif didn't.
As for what will happen at the sea of flower at the end, I still think it's where Aether will understand that the world is just a dream that conforms to what the dreamer wants, reason why Lumine found the flowers Aether was looking for, as if to give her what she wanted, what she needed to have her brother back. What Dainsleif will do there, I don't know. I don't trust Dainsleif, so I can't even conjure a scenario in which he's soft. Besides, I don't think a person can become a Descender in the first place, although everything is actually possible, so it's not outside the realm of possibilities...
@@ShadowXImpact hey not at all just take your time k believe this was one of the best videos after the fontaine narzissenkruez ordo quest breakdown
Also the serpent being abyss i meant it that way like it's temptation but it is a being that temp others the serpect is just a motif of whatever is inside abyss that attracts those who seek power and false answers
Also it's possible that flower field is basically a place where you set a dream and it becomes reality for the creator maybe what we are experiencing is a dream of someone else or PO itself set this dream and left the world thus no creator but i think traveler will break the cycle of dreams and make everything reality even if the outcome is destruction or prosperity
Also yeah dainslief and kevin definitely related by impressions i think like how can we not think that way and yeah dainslief most definitely got the power to shatter the world and on top of that i think the ring of nibelung will make him even more dangerous than any sinner which is why i think he will be a boss like kevin not someone you can quite trust be he does everything for some reason even if it means his death because he will prepare that outcome as well
also thanks man it took me actually lack of one night of sleep to actually piece few things together for multiple theories i got things on nibelung and PO and many others but one more I'll mention is
What is PO is just different sets of kiana? Like sustainer is sirin void suit
Maybe ronova and istaroth and shade of life is also different suits of kiana
And PO being the finality type? Or maybe the original kalen
Or another theory is PO is griseo and all shades are kiana mei bronya and fu hua like it can be
broo u cooked soo crazy with the take on the chess thing absolutely brilliant 💯💯
what u revealed here is mind blowing - all that time i thought pierro is working with the tsaritsa but in reality she is jus testing him playing with him bc heee wants what belongs to her wtf
that changes the whole plot bro it all makes sense now 😵💫 - also finally more points on the cryo archon really being bronya model man 1 more year!!
@@777dreamresort thank you!!! I'm happy you liked it!!!
Well, I do think they're still working together, but it's more or a shared goal that brought them together rather than actual trust. Of course, we don't really have proof of this mistrust, but it wouldn't be a theory if we already knew what was going on!
As for the Tsaritsa, the easiest solution would be for her to be Bronya, although I still believe Cocolia is going to appear somehow. Maybe they'll even mix them up, and who knows, Seele might become her daughter this time!
Even though we would have to wait little less than a year, Mavuika might tell us something important about the Tsaritsa at the end of 5.3!
Never thought that the knight piece was moved by the cryo powers of the Tsaritsa, thanks for the detail.
@@Kynokefalos thank you!! I did talk about it in one of my past videos, probably the one about Snezhnaya. We can see some frost or ice particles around the knight, that's why I think she's the one playing.
And sorry for replying late, I never got a notification, which apparently happened for a lot of comments that I'm now replying to!
holy shit, skirk potentially being the seele expy and thus likely being connected to the tsaritsa is Nuts. can’t believe i didn’t make that connection. im so excited to find out if it’s true
@@shadycactus6146 I hope I was right! I mean, it makes sense, but you never know! 😁
Oh god! U nailed it again, this video is everything so much so that I think you might be actually right, 90 percent right at the very least
@@Sacration thank you!!! I guess we'll find out once we meet them all!
And sorry for replying so late, I never got a notification for your comment!
13:25 : "may-be we will finally meet this unknow harbinger very soon" - "Well, Of Course I Know Him. He's Me." :
You gave multiple informations suggesting that it could be the Traveler. "The Devil" : multiple things suggest that the traveler is associate to Satan. 6:52 and the description you give of the meaning of this card fit our status of 4th descender, and "thous who dream of dreaming".
8:13 : "the associate alchemy stage to this 10th harbinger is separation" : our sibling.
12:33 : the hand symbol : this one is the least clear, but may-be it will be clearer after the Natlan Acrhon quest when we will have a name.
Ororon also corresponds rather well. may-be it is him who will becom the 10th.
There is also the possibility that it is our sibling.
@@paulamblard3836 hold on, how can the tenth harbinger ever be the traveler to begin with? The constellation is already on the wheel, so we know it's not any playable character we've met so far, Ororon included (the image of his constellation is in the Pilgrim's Chronicle and it's literally a bat).
As a consequence, the sibling also can't be the 10th harbinger, both because of the constellation again, but it wouldn't make sense for her to join the Fatui, since she's with the Abyss Order
@@ShadowXImpact If it is the sibling, it would means a secret alliance between the fatuis and the abyss order.
if it is us : we would likely have the answer about this symbole at the end of the Natlan Archon quest.
she used a knight to defeat the rook which was Signora
so that means the traveler is the knight right like the one from the battle pass?
@@dragondevil69 but it wouldn't really make sense, since the gnoses were created something like 2500 years (approximately) before the traveler even arrived on Teyvat,so why would it represent him? That could simply be the Tsaritsa having foreseen Pierro losing one of his pawns, and her making a point that she was right
@@ShadowXImpact
the creation of gnoses has no effect on when they were put on that chess board, to begin with they were put on that chest board after the current harbingers got them
they weren't in her possession before we were involved in the story and she's clearly missing some gnoses on that chess board too so it's pretty clear the game represent past actions rather than future ones
it's kind of interesting that of the two weekly bosses in each region, we fight a dragon for one of them everywhere except inazuma and fontaine, fontaine is probably because neuvilette is the dragon. like we've been helping to suppress dragons until fontaine, i'm curious about what the natlan weeklies will be
@@greatedcorn I am so worried that our Lil Buddy will turn out to be the reincarnation of Xiuhcoatl and we will have to fight it.... But more realistically (I still think Lil Buddy will become the new dragon sovereign but we won't fight it, because it's a good boy), once we go to Ochkanatlan, most likely in 5.2, we will meet the Sage of the Stolen Flame, Waxaklahun Ubah Khan (aka the Python King, Och-Khan), waiting for us there, since he has the second entreaty, and we will fight him. He is a dragon, so here's the dragon weekly boss!
@@ShadowXImpact All I want is the juicy Lore he will tell us! Im still not over the "Lunar continent" and that other precious stone he talked about to Chaac tbh
I literally hollered when I saw this has dropped!
@@CarlosAnglada I hope you'll like it!!!
Although, I didn't even know it got released today, so I was as surprised as you were... I chose the wrong day when I scheduled the release😂
@@ShadowXImpactyou cooked, served, AND ate!
More Snezhnaya food for thought, yippee! I've been working on my own theories (specifically about the Tsaritsa) so this video is a very welcome surprise :D
@@catdownthestreet I also have a Snezhnaya video I made a long time ago, where I talk about the Tsaritsa probably being Tsarina Alexandra (and if I'm not mistaken, Bronya is associated with the name Alexandra in Honkai Impact as well) and Pierro being Rasputin. That could also help, maybe!
@@ShadowXImpact I watched that one! I think it's pretty solid, but I wanted to look into more than what you covered in that video. I've been researching Russian folklore and history quite a bit thanks to you (and my dad, who is a nerd for history).
Honestly, even though I think it would be interesting for Bronya to be the Tsaritsa, I think Cocolia fits the role better. Especially considering the folklore aspect. Mother goddesses seem very important to Russia. That's just speculation though. Also, have you considered looking into Catherine the Great? She could have inspired the Tsaritsa as well.
@catdownthestreet I proposed the idea of the Tsaritsa being Cocolia once, and I got flamed so hard, I simply stopped saying it, because apparently, it's like people lose something of their lives if it's not Bronya...
As for Catherine the Great, no I haven't researched her because the idea of Anastasia Romanov being brought into the game would be a great opportunity for the writers, but I'll check her out in a little bit
@@ShadowXImpact Bro what, who flamed you??? Bronya not being the Tsaritsa doesn't mean she won't make another appearance, it just means she's playing a slightly different role. She could be Anastasia, the missing daughter of the Romanov family, with Cocolia as her mother/the Tsaritsa. That opens up a lot of possibilities for the plot of Snezhnaya- perhaps the reverse of the rumors surrounding Anastasia, in which the Tsaritsa believes her daughter is dead when she is actually still alive somewhere? That's my main theory at the moment. If the people of Snezhnaya are unhappy with the Tsaritsa and her Harbingers (just as Russians were unhappy with Catherine the Great and later the Romanovs) and the missing daughter is aware of their unrest, perhaps she could lead a revolution with the purpose of convincing her mother to help the people. It would be an interesting remix of Russian history (even if it feels pretty similar to HSR's Bronya... but hey, no one said her story couldn't repeat with a slightly different ending for Cocolia).
Also, if you're curious about Russian history, there's a series of ten minute videos that covers a good chunk of it, which is actually how I came to the conclusion that the Tsaritsa may have multiple inspirations beyond the Romanovs.
@catdownthestreet so, there are some things that you say at your own risk, because you know what's coming next. Try to say that the Tsaritsa may not be the God of Love, for example (which is what I believe actually), and all hell will break lose. Same goes with the Tsaritsa not being Bronya but Cocolia, despite the fact that Cocolia has ALWAYS been the evil mother figure of the main character, Bronya (and Seele), plus Signora "stole" the Tsaritsa's face and she looks like Cocolia...
That Alexandra-Anastasia theory is actually the one I'm going for, I think I said that in one of the videos, maybe the ancient Archons one, I can't remember. It's because Anastasia has always believed to be alive and everybody has been looking for her, so it would be a nice story to use in the game. There's also the possibility that Bronya (daughter) is half Snezhnayan (from the Tsaritsa Cocolia) and half Khaenri'ahn, so the curse turned her into a monster, and the Tsaritsa is trying to go back in time to prevent the cataclysm from happening to lift her curse. I mean, the possibilities are endless with so little we actually know about the Tsaritsa.
Now that I've actually played Honkai Impact, considering how Skirk MIGHT be Seele, we could also think that the previous original Archon is Cocolia who sent Skirk into the abyss during the cataclysm for whatever reason (since Cocolia's experiment caused Seele to be lost in the sea of quanta), so Bronya (in this case the Tsaritsa) got rid of the previous Archon and, again, is trying to rever the cataclysm to save Skirk
I still find it crazy how the Tsaritsa lets Dottore do whatever he wants he seems the most questionable out of all the harbingers man.
@@marcusbullock2753 it is, indeed, weird, but then again, when Childe was appointed his delusion, the Tsaritsa was there, so either she doesn't know at all what Dottore is doing, or she simply doesn't care how much people suffer, she just cares about her goal.
The other possibility is that Pierro is manipulating her, like with some kind or power, so the Tsaritsa has been rendered a puppet, but I don't think that's the case... I hope
I hope we get a Columbina appearance in Natlan, it only seems fitting and it doesn't get more topical than that.
@@lexical450 I'm hoping for the tenth unknown harbinger, mainly because I want to put a face and a name to this number, but I can't wait to meet Colombina as well, especially after what Arlecchino told us about her!
As a tarot reader I’m not going to say that the interpretation of the meaning of each card is wrong but at least very different from the traditional meaning.
Like emperor being reckless, the lovers meaning conflict, temperance meaning reckless, chariot meaning cowardice and never leaving the place, death meaning invincibility and etc.
these are almost opposite of what these cards traditionally represents.
The emperor usually means control, power, thoughtful planing.
Temperance is equilibrium, rationality.
Lovers usually has a positive meaning like good relationships or finding a new passion.
Chariot usually means courage, action, movement. Death usually represents weakness, end of a circle, failure, but sometimes being reborn and the start of a new cicle.
I don’t know where you did you research but I’m sure it’s not what most websites or books would tell about these cards.
The cards can have the opposite meaning when it’s draw upside down when the reader use this method of reading.
@@galerinha it's from multiple websites, I basically used the meanings that most of them agreed on, and I used both the right way and the upside-down interpretations, but also the descriptions of the cards.
I'm no Tarot reader, but I've never heard of death meaning weakness, while end of a cycle and a new beginning, for example, is also what I said in the video. As far as I know, the tarot cards have different meanings according to the way they present themselves, so again, the right way or upside-down, and when they're upside down, their meaning can drastically change to the point it can represent the opposite. So if the emperor means thoughtful planning, the opposite is recklessness, same for the lovers, that represent a perfect relationship, but the opposite is a conflictual one. Though, as I said before, these are the meanings I found online
@ compare what ChatGPT says about each of the major arcana and your video. I think ChatGPT can be used as a summary of what most websites says about a matter. And it is very different than what you used in your video.
0. The Fool
New beginnings, adventure
1. The Magician
Power, manifestation, creativity
2. The High Priestess
Intuition, mystery, subconscious
3. The Empress
Nurturing, abundance, nature
4. The Emperor
Authority, stability, leadership
5. The Hierophant
Tradition, wisdom, teaching
6. The Lovers
Love, choices, connection
7. The Chariot
Victory, determination, control
8. Strength
Courage, compassion, resilience
9. The Hermit
Introspection, solitude, wisdom
10. The Wheel of Fortune
Change, cycles, destiny
11. Justice
Fairness, truth, balance
12. The Hanged Man
Pause, surrender, perspective
13. Death
Transformation, endings, renewal
14. Temperance
Balance, harmony, patience
15. The Devil
Bondage, temptation, shadow
16. The Tower
Upheaval, revelation, crisis
17. The Star
Hope, inspiration, healing
18. The Moon
Illusion, fear, subconscious
19. The Sun
Joy, success, vitality
20. Judgment
Reflection, rebirth, awakening
21. The World
Completion, fulfillment, unity
These keywords capture the core essence of each Major Arcana card for quick reference.
@galerinha so you went from "tarot reader" to "I'm using ChatGPT". I'm sorry, I don't use AI to make research, I think I still have some brain capacity to do my own research without using software known for their inaccuracy and their ability to invent stuff.
And this is ignoring how there words per card is not even close to enough. I mean, anyone with even the minimum amount of knowledge about tarot cards would know this...
I’m a libra and VERY INTERESTED in columbina… this explains A LOT 🤩🤩
Well, Colombina is very interesting! I hope we can meet her soon!!!
Love your vids, you always cook so good! Though I thought you were gonna touch on Diluc's harbinger coded skin with his own red small crystal and all... Is he a double agent?
@@qbanarik3465 thank you!!!
I honestly think that the "third party from the north" that helped Diluc when he left for his three years journey, was Arlecchino. I mean, he is part of a secret intelligence network right? And that's basically Arlecchino's job. Diluc's clothes look like hers, even, and he left Mondstadt after his father died, so he was, indeed, an orphan, and as such, he probably joined the house of the hearth.
And I love it, if that's what happened!
Your implication that Skirk might be the 8th gnosis is wild (in a positive sense). I hope I understood that correctly and am not overinterpreting your edit there.
If she really used to be the Tsaritsa's loved one she lost, what in the world happened to her then before or after Surtalogi became her master...
@@nthinparticular3345 no no no, I didn't say she was the 8th gnosis, I meant the Third Descender. I used that video because she was talking about the Third Descender.
If she's her loved one (I think a daughter in this game), then maybe she went to fight in Khaenri'ah but she fell into the abyss and was taken by Surtalogi, maybe? I don't know, she's still a massive unknown!!
Note: The electro gnosis is not a bishop.
It's a king piece.
Every gnosis is a king piece.
Every gnosis provides its wielder with access to a divine THRONE that grants them divine AUTHORITY.
King have thrones. Kings have authority. Not knights or rooks or bishops.
Each gnosis is the king of its own chess set.
The chess game we saw in Winter Nights' Lazzo was meant as nothing more than an allegory for the Harbingers facing off against Celestia... with a reference to a game where a human played against a computer.
Which contributes to the theory that The Heavenly Principles might be an advanced AI.
@@DrakeWurrum so I guess that saying "I don't believe in the theory that says that every gnosis in a king piece" right before talking about my own theory, was apparently useless.
Still, kings have their own authority, the Archons have been given authorities that don't belong to them at all, so what I can tell you is that, although I know why this all-kings theory is now believed to be the absolute truth to the point of being used as a "correction" for other people's theories (despite the fact that a "theory" is not an official statement by definition, so it can be wrong, both mine and the kings one), so I still believe that each gnosis is a different piece.
Even saying with such confidence that "it was meant as nothing more that an allegory", you don't really have proof nor official facts to back up this "certainty".
A theory is a theory, no matter who is the one who comes up with it, it's still a theory until it's confirmed in the game, which also means that there's another 50% chance it will turn out to be wrong
@@ShadowXImpact - It's kinda useless, yes.
Because I don't believe in the theory that every gnosis is a specific piece from a single side of the chess board.
Because it doesn't work.
There are 6 chess pieces: King, Queen, Rook, Knight, Bishop, Pawn.
If you decide to ignore Pawns and count double for Knight, Bishop, and Rook... you need 8 pieces.
The only way it works is to include The Heavenly Principles as King (which would mean The Heavenly Principles has a gnosis, which doesn't really make sense), or else make up an 8th element that we currently do not have (It MIGHT happen, but at that point you're coming up with more theories to make theories work instead of using existing facts to support theories.)
I also don't think ignoring Pawns is something that should be done if we're going to liken gnoses to a chess set. Each side of the chess board has exactly 8 and they're arguably the most important piece in the hands of a chess master. But the theory doesn't have room for pawns, since it wouldn't even make sense because as pawns could only become anemo archons.
But perhaps more important than all of that is that the theory has no deeper meaning. It would just be a funny easter egg.
But if every gnosis is a king piece, that perfectly matches the lore we've already uncovered that explains how the gnoses were created with the remains of the Third Descender and thus used to grant literal authority to each of the Archons. Elemental authority, specifically.
None of the gnoses even match a chess piece in their design. Every single one, however, has a crown.
How do you even reconcile the pyro gnosis design with the idea that it's supposed to be a knight?
And MANY kings throughout history have claimed that they were granted divine authority by god himself. While IRL it may be hyperbole, in the case of the archons... it's literal.
@@DrakeWurrum well, even if you think it's useless, it doesn't change the fact that to me, making every piece the same, makes no sense.
You clearly didn't watch the video to gain a new perspective, you watched with the intention never to consider anything different from the theory you are 100% certain to be true, even though this certainty has no ground at all.
It shows from the fact that I found a solution for the 8th gnosis which, as the King, the one who rules over the other pieces, would be the one the gnoses were originally made from, but you ignored it completely in favor of calling my theory a potential Easter Egg with no deeper meaning, as if making them all kings just because the Archons (who are not even represented by the gnoses anyway) rule over the nation has some deeper meaning.
The Gnoses, since you ignored both what I said in the video and what it has been said in the game, represent the Heavenly Principles' authority over Teyvat. The Archon don't receive any kind of authority from the Gnoses, in fact 5 over 6 nations have lost their gnoses, but their Archons are still Archons, they don't need them to hold that position.
Furthermore, the gnoses do mach the pieces. The Anemo Gnosis clearly has the Queen's crown (not the King's, which has a cross at the top and is completely different in all aspects), the Geo gnosis doesn't have a crown, that's called a crenellation, it's the top of a castle tower, while the Electro gnosis' "helmet" has two tips, just like the bishop's hat is split into two parts.
Of course, as before, this comment is useless, because you're not here to have a conversation, you're here to impose your "facts".
If you disagree with my theory, it's okay, I'm not here to convince you nor am I saying (differently from you) that my theory is the absolute truth, I wouldn't waste my time with a disclaimer in every single video otherwise
I can see the harbinger crystals all having thematic connections to the zodiac, but I feel like there's a more grounded reason for them.
Like how Arlecchino's crystal being a reference to her connections with the Crimson Moon Dynasty which is the only one I'm sure about lol. However, if I had to guess some of the reasonings for their crystal's colors it would be:
Il Capitano's crystal might be from the dark aura around his ice. We still don't really know much about him so that's all I have.
Il Dottore's crystal has the same color as a lot of the tubes in his design.
I don't really know what to say about Columbina's crystal, but it does have an interesting color scheme bc it kinda has dim primogem colors
Sandrone's orange crystal is probably referencing the color of azosite which is what powers ruin guards iirc, or it also has a similar orange color to the marechaussee hunter artifact set which fits with Alain's past of being one of them
Childe's red crystal is present in his mask which if I had to guess could be connections to Surtalogi bc of Surtr's associations with fire but this feels like there isnt enough evidence especially since skirk doesnt have any red on her.
And idk why for Pierro, Pantalone, or Pulcinella they kinda giving blanks rn.
Still this was a goated video!!! U were edging us in the community tab with those gnosis designs they came out great!
oh also Fontaine's gnosis being the basis of Focalors's execution device would be such a cool idea from a narrative perspective bc it would be like we always had the design but just never knew its similarities to the gnosis.
@@Crunchycrunkybro it could be, but then again, as you said, Childe doesn't really have anything connecting him to red but his design is still very centered on this color, and the fact that he wears a red scarf just like the Emperor, and the description of the card literally describes him, makes me feel like the theory might actually be right.
As for the sword in Fontaine, my understanding is that the gnoses might have two different uses: one related to the Ley Lines and one about combat.
We saw this in Natlan, because the Pyro Gnosis can be used on the leylines but also in battle, and the same goes for Sumeru, since Nahida used the gnoses to access memories (something that exists in the Ley lines), but dottore said she can't use the Electro one in battle. In Fontaine, similarly, the Ley Lines use of it is the power of belief that can be turned into a usable material, or in battle, the sword.
Anyway, I'm happy my gnoses design were decent enough in the end!!!!
alot of info i needed thanks
@@Ayvixx-p2q thank you for watching!
Probably it’s obvious, but i just wanted to highlight some thoughts:
- if Time is connected with the Winds, Life with Water and Death with Flame, i suppose that Zhongli, regarding his age, would probably somewhat connected with the last celestial element?
- I was always interested in why Khaenri’ah uses both the latin and scandinavian cultural elements, but after learning about the Crimson Moon, i guess that latin is used by them (Albedo’s alchemy, Mona’s astrology, magic circles etc. Arle’s name too), because they were known for using magic and alchemy, while all known people living under the Eclipse dynasty had scandinavian names. Also we could remember the fact that Khaenri’ah tried to imitate ancient civilization’s architectural style (Dainsleif’s dialogue in the Chasm)
- Moon sisters are non existent, because it’s just notes saved from Irminsul’s influence - moons just cross the sun’s path
P. S. - i’m sorry for numerous grammatical and other mistakes - English is not my native language and my speech is not so diverse as in my own. If it is THAT bad, i can just use google instead of handwritten text 😅
@@НиколайКамеров-ь3о I honestly didn't even notice you weren't an English native speaker to be honest, if you didn't say anything and I didn't notice your name, I wouldn't have thought about it at all.
Anyway, yes, Zhongli might be related to the 4th shade, although if it's the void, the shogun might be a better fit, considering what she can do.
I never thought about it, but it actually makes sense. If the Khaenri'ahn built their nation on the ruins of the unified nation (this is how I interpret what Dainsleif said), then they probably used the language they found in those ruins, so Latin, but then, when the eclipse dynasty took over, they might have cut ties with their predecessors and opt for Scandinavian.
The moon sisters are a big unknown, because although they first appeared in a collection of stories from Liyue, they also exist in the memories of the Nilotpala flowers in Sumeru, so they might have actually existed, but maybe they were simply heavenly envoys?
@@ShadowXImpact Oh my, i forgot about these artifacts! Thanks, i need to check them out
Anyways, great video as always!
@@НиколайКамеров-ь3о I talked about the artifacts/shade association in my previous video and I will probably talk about them in my next one as well!
Anyway, thank you!!! I'm happy you like it!
I thought between Light and Darkness of Kingdom Hearts. 7 lights like Archon or elements. But 13 seeker's of Darkness as there was, but unfortunately what are name's aren't meant here presents, are they?
But the Chess pieces of chessboard are presents is key for anybody need to know of what purpose. 🤔
@@JamesBrown-zu8iv I haven't played Kingdom Hearts, so I can make a comparison, but I'm sorry, I didn't understand what you meant about the names and the chessboard
Interesting that you think that the unknown harbinger might be from natlan. Most of the time on the discussion on the harbinger people say it could be the mc. Your idea makes way more sense
MC makes no sense. Its either natlan/plothole/Something to do with DIluc/Creepus
@@leafrek I saw that people think it's the traveler. It honestly doesn't make sense at all. The traveler doesn't have a real constellation, and his pseudo one is completely different from those on the wheel, so I honestly don't understand why people think it's either the traveler or the sibling. Besides, signora is from Mondstadt, Capitano from Khaenri'ah, Scaramouche from inazuma, Childe, Pantalone and Pulcinella from Snezhnaya, Sandrone most likely from Fontaine, dottore from Sumeru, Arlecchino and Colombina are unknown, so there's someone from every nation except for Liyue (so maybe Colombina is a seelie from there?) and Natlan. I kinda expect the Harbingers to be at least one harbinger from every nation at this point
@@AlexisNess-mn4zw yeah, agree, it makes no sense. I don't think, though, it's Crepus, simply because he died and the ranks change based on their achievements, so why is Childe the 11th and not the 10th if there's a free spot? So, there must be someone occupying that spot, someone who is slightly more useful than Childe (which doesn't really take much). Diluc can't be a Harbinger (but I do think he is part of the House of the Hearth) because his constellation is not on the wheel
@@ShadowXImpact The thing is pantalone also hasnt taken Signoras spot. The rankings are extremely weird as is the 10th harbinger not being mentioned ONCE the entire game
Reason i brought Diluc up was the manga but i also doubt he or Creepus are. I just think they have relations so the position in some capacity but we gotta wait for Diluc II SQ
you cooked, comrade
@@alter-naria😊😊😊
Interesting you put SKirk on screen when talking about Seele...and Tsaritsa has her lovers disciple as one of her right arms...
What the fuck is Childes role in this game i wonder XD
@@AlexisNess-mn4zw I honestly don't think they're going for the Bronya-Seele romantic affair in Genshin Impact, namely because I think her story is going to be about losing a child, which is what would push her to shut everybody out and become cold and emotionless not to suffer anymore. Tldr, I think Seele is going to be her daughter, mirroring Alexandra and Anastasia (reason why I used Alexandra's crown design in the Gnosis).
As for Childe, I think it's all about his latent potential to overturn the world, which is what pushed Surtalogi to have Skirk teach him his legacy, the Foul (Surtalogi) Legacy. I still think there's a secret alliance between the Fatui and the abyss order, so Childe is probably going to be in danger because of what Surtalogi might do to him, like taking over him, leaving his own cursed body behind, bypassing the curse completely...
@@ShadowXImpact Even if its not romantic, its pretty interesting how Childe is always caught in the middle of some bullshit, 90% of the time when he doesnt even want to xD
@AlexisNess-mn4zw Childe is everywhere, everytime. I wouldn't be surprised if he appeared in Natlan sooner or later. I mean, he was in liyue, in Inazuma, in Fontaine, it's already strange enough we didn't meet him in Sumeru, actually....
Great theory as always! I love your style of making videos as they are always original and very interesting to watch. Also, I like your design for Cryo and Hydro Gnosis, they are badass! And that point about Skirk being Seele, xd. I like it too.
Anyway, I have some ideas for you! They're not exactly related to this video, but I've had these ideas for a while now, so I would like you to see that.
Um, Pierro has always reminded me of a man named Rasputin, who was a ‘friend’ of the Russian Imperial family, despite being an outsider. Pierro was a royal magician or something, so Rasputin was also considered a dark magician, ‘starets’, etc. Rasputin is known to have influenced Tsar Nicholas II in many aspects of his life, just as Pierrot influenced Snezhnaya, I think. Rasputin loved to talk about God and religion, and despite not being that educated, he was considered super intelligent and cunning. But most people disliked him because he was just a strange man who suddenly appeared next to the Tsar out of nowhere. Just like Pierro, who suddenly appeared next to the Tsaritsa out of nowhere.
But again, if Pierro was based on Rasputin, then who is the Tsaritsa? I think she may be based on Empress Catherine II the Great. She was a magnificent empress of Russia. However, there is a chance of a very different outcome!
What if Pierro is based on Menshikov, the actual ruler of the Russian Empire under Catherine the First? Catherine the First was the first Russian Empress to rule without an Emperor, but she put power in the hands of the Supreme Privy Council, with Menshikov in charge. Just like Fatui governing in Snezhnaya: among the Harbingers is the Mayor of the capital city of Snezhnaya, and among them is the man who controls the economy of Snezhnaya...
@@emotionalnito thank you!!! I'm happy you liked the video and the designs I came up with!!
So, I did a video about Snezhnaya a while ago and while I do agree that Pierro is Rasputin, I believe the Tsaritsa is actually Alexandra, the Tsarina he Rasputin was manipulating, and her crown does appear in things related to Cryo, like the hypostasis when it becomes a wheel, which is why I used her crown as an inspiration for the gnosis.
Alexandra was completely wrapped around Rasputin's fingers, and there's the whole thing about him convincing that he could cure her son, but there's also the story of Anastasia, Alexandra's daughter, which I think is going to be Seele in this game, so the Tsaritsa lost her daughter, reason enough to go against the whole world. Ei lost her twin sister, but she didn't go to those extreme, so it has to be someone with an even stronger bond, like mother daughter. I mean, if the Adepti can have children, then why wouldn't the gods be able to od the same?
@ShadowXImpact, hmm... can we say Furina is daughter of the previous archon?
@@emotionalnito ehm.... Well, technically, everyone in Teyvat is Egeria's child, since she was created to use the Primordial Sea and create life
tarot cards always reminds me of "lord of the mysteries" web novel. fantastic book, if you every want to read a story about cosmic horror + steam punk. give it a try
@@siliconhawk then I'll give it a try, thank you!
And sorry for replying so late. There are a ton of comments I never received a notification for, so I'm now replying to them one by one!
So the loading screen element order are:
Pyro, Hydro, Anemo, Electro, Dendro, Cryo and Geo
While in 23:03, you swapped electro and dendro 🤔
@@haraa_5 upss... My bad, but thankfully it doesn't really change things, since they're both bishops in my theory. To fix that, it would have simply been the Electro gnosis that was brought to Sumeru and was used by Nahida with her dendro Gnosis.
I honestly don't even know how I swapped them, since I had the loading screen image on my second monitor. I guess my brain stopped working for a second there!
I thought crying mask was Pierro 😮 Since theater Pierro often has a white face paint with a tear drawn on it
@@listvg yes, I thought so, too, but then again, with Capitano officially being the first of the Fatui Harbingers, it's now impossible for Pierro to be both the founder but also the 10th Harbinger, it doesn't make sense
@@ShadowXImpact What if hes the mask above that Constellation wheel ? seems fiting and I do believe the fatui "visions" are different from regular sneznayan vision but thats just a theory for now because of Arlecchino having that casing even though she got her vision IN Fontaine BEFORE going to Sneznaya
@@Sacration I do believe that mask is his constellation, actually.
As for Arlecchino, you're wrong. She got her Vision when she went to Snezhnaya to train in order to defeat Crucabena.
She received her vision before she defeated Crucabena (she was wearing it, hidden near her heart, while she was fighting), but after she became the king. Once she became the king, she trained as hard as she could to close the gap between her and mother, and because she was the only kid left in the orphanage, the winner of the massacre, the strongest that would have become a Fatuus, she most likely went to Snezhnaya to train with the organization.
Beside, we know that visions' Inlays always represent the nation they are given in, like Thoma, who's from Mondstadt, getting an Inazuman vision. So, Arlecchino's vision, just like Childe's, is the Snezhnayan vision but, for a reason we still don't know (and I think it's related to defying fate), their inlay is silver like Ororon's, so I believe that normal Snezhnayan vision holders do have golden, regular vision with that same inlay.
Tldr, Arlecchino didn't get her vision in Fontaine, she was in Snezhnaya for some reason.
O dont think the hydro gnosis is a sword exactly, but because Ficalor was killed by a divine sword, which means the Gnosis had to be of a Knight
@@WayneZvidza-qh2dp I'm sorry, I didn't understand what you were trying to say
@ShadowXImpact sorry, I meant to say that the hydro gnosis is probably a knight since Forcalors was killed by a sword
@WayneZvidza-qh2dp oh okay, yeah, that's basically the conclusion I came to in the video. The knight is the only chess piece who would actually use a sword, so the Hydro piece should be a knight because of that massive sword, that I still think it's the gnosis itself
Still missing on the discussion about the Night Kingdom vs Natlan's weak Ley-Lines.
Well you mentioned it once and repeated the assertion that Natlan has no Ley-Lines that are not the Night Kingdom itself. I'm sure you'll never change your mind about this but several quotes prove you wrong, and yes I think PROVE is warranted.
Mavuika: The Gnosis would drain all the souls and memories from the Night Kingdom and weave them into a giant net, which would surround the Ley Lines and protect them against Abyssal corrosion. The Night Kingdom not only houses the souls of the dead, but also our memories and legends. Using the Gnosis means converting all three into material for the net, erasing our history and culture.
From this statement it is CLEAR that the Natlan Ley-Lines, while weak, do exist outside the Night Kingdom. Mavuika says once the Night Kingdom is consumed / destroyed they would be made into a net to protect "the Ley-Lines". But you say that there are NO Ley-Lines in Natlan except the Night Kingdom. That is a clear contradiction. It is true that in several places the game talks about NK and LL interchangeably and we're told the NK is a LL substitute / does much the same thing, however the opposite is not true; namely LL do not do everything that the NK does. NK has properties that make Natlan unique so while the NK act like LL they also do more. Natlan has LL (albeit weak LL) and they connect to the LL in the rest of Teyvat and to the Irminsul just like regular LL in all the other nations.
@@davidjohnson8273 and yet, the Night Kingdom is what the Envoy created by using what survived of the Ley lines of Natlan, as it was also stated multiple times, but you keep avoiding that because you would be wrong otherwise. The night kingdom is the Natlan version of the Ley Lines, it was made from the Ley Lines and it can be used to make new Ley Lines. When and if (it's never going to happen) you'll acknowledge that, which means acknowledging EVERYTHING that has been said, not just what you can use, then we'll talk
this is quite likely a reach but with the repeated showcase of "inner flame" it puts into question the true capabilities of signora. her entire body is made of flame, and the pale flame set repeatedly states a "pure white flame continued to burn within her heart" do we think this has any merit?
@@TheCrimsonWitchofFlames I think they're different things. Signora never received a vision first of all, but she was studying magic at the Akademiya in Sumeru when the cataclysm happened, and she used that magic to turn herself into a pyro elemental being. Now, I admit, it is still unclear what the difference is between magic and the elements, but we also don't have a lot about witches to understand it. Even with the Hexenzirkel, we don't really understand what the actual difference is, or what is magic in Teyvat
@@ShadowXImpact yes, i am extremely interested in the following possibility: one of the winning moves in deep blue vs gary, is a pawn reaching the end and becoming a queen. likewise, vision bearers can "ascend" to godhood [ascend from pawn to queen] and considering the fatui's goals, and arlecchino's voiceline about signora, calling her death a "sacrifice," is it possible that her death was planned so she could ascend from pawn to queen and take down celestia from the inside???
i'd like to know your thoughts on this. especially since we know the fatui was experimenting with phlogistion which allowed fatui soldiers to "respawn", and with phlogistion being the source of elemental energy, it makes me question the source of signora's "Liquid flame" is it also derivative of phlogistion, or is it another source entirely.
@@TheCrimsonWitchofFlames well, it's kinda hard to theorize on this, to be honest. If she was a needed or planned sacrifice, it's clear that she did know it was going to happen at all, but then again, why would Pierro promise her that her final resting place will be the entirety of the old world, if he decided to sacrifice her? Still, it's Hoyoverse, so the third descender is most likely going to be a woman, so if there's a reason behind her sacrifice, then it could be using her to bring the third descender back to life. Yes, nothing remained of Signora, she turned I to ashes, but then again, she wasn't really a human anymore, she became a pyro elemental being, so her moths going back to Snezhnaya could mean that there might be something of her, some sort of elemental remains that they either got back or simply went back on their own (like the moth).
If that's the case, since the queen and king have been swapped, then the pawn would become the king in this case and, as I said in the video, I think the third descender is the king, so it still fits with my idea.
I don't know how the players would take it if they brought her back to life only for her not to really be Signora anymore...
@@ShadowXImpact personally i think pierro and signora set this entire thing up, as a way to reignite the power of prime crimson witch. in pierro's artifact set "pale flame" he says this upon discovering signora "You astound me. You have but a human body, and yet you carry such a power within you." For The Director of the fatui, rank 0, to be astounded by signora's prime power, it should suggest she had quite a powerful ability then, no? plus the lazzo line "it's time we end tonight's foolish theatrics" and childe's line saying signora is "two steps ahead" along with the crimson witch artifact stating signora had to become ashes in order to transform, it really seems like he's trying to repeat the cycle and reignite the embers of the crimson witch. what do you think?
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@@nettedteeth 😊😊😊
I still disagree with the gnosis chess peice identity because why would pyro be rook even though it’s an element known for death destruction and rebirth it feels more qualified for the knight peice it is true we don’t know why the elements are in that order but if we pair them together it will give of cryo/geo dendro/electro and pyro/hydro anemo is left alone since it’s a queen and doesn’t have a counter part plus we also have to take into perspective of what the elements represent you were the one who said that the cryo element represents the fake sky which is also theorized to be protecting teyvat from the abyss so if your right then the cryo gnosis being knight doesn’t fit that particular element if their one thing both geo and cryo represent is preservation and or protection so it would make sense if their rook notice how both of the cryo sand geo slimes also share a shield which directly contradicts what you say abt the cryo gnosis being the knight it would make more sense if cryo and geo were rook and would fit better in a narrative sense
For pyro and hydro they have the most connection to being knight for one natlan is a nation of war while Fontaine is a nation of justice not to mention their the only nations so far to have been on the brick of extinction due to a fated end that both of the archons wish to defy notice how both the pyro and hydro slime’s themselves are the only liquid based slimes plus theirs pretty much nothing connecting pyro to being a rook which looks look like a tower fortress that is common for protecting but all of the pyro archons and the pyro element in general is about how it’s destructive the pyro archon being called the god of war should have been an obvious clue and for dendro and and electro I agree that their both bishops because their slimes and elements also share some connection but since you released this video I will tell you another vid talking abt the gnosis and how it goes deeper into the gnosis as a whole and what their role could be
Their a RUclipsr called genshin bane who made a vid abt the gnosis some time ago the video is called a game of fate with the gnosis as the thumbnail I highly suggest you watch it I mean you did tell me to remind you to go watch the vid
@@isaiahhaley4816 yes, but pyro is also behind Rebirth, so protecting life... See where I'm getting to?
And yes, I said that Cryo might have been used to create the fake sky (and I still believe it), but at the same time, you agree that Geo is the rook, and yet, how doesn't the ground represent a shield?
Plus, we're talking about the Primordial elements, not the human elements that derive from Phlogiston, we should start making a real difference between them now.
You did see the base of the Pyro Gnosis, right? And you can't find any reference to a tower still? Also, about defying fate and the heavenly principles, remember what Makoto did in the end. If that wasn't defying the heavenly principles, creating something in the past in a place where they're "free from the clutches of the heavenly principles", then I don't know what it is. Even Zhongli making a deal with the Tsaritsa is an act of defiance.
I'll watch the video soon, thanks for reminding me
@ yes the base of the pyro gnosis does look similar to the geo one but it doesn’t mean that it’s the same piece if it was a rook then the crown would look like it also rebirth doesn’t mean protecting life. It’s just a new form of it if our life comes from the primordial, sea and dendro nurtures that life then pyro is a way for that life to end and be reborn again it’s not a form of protection but instead a form of change the geo gnosis is rook because the element represents a sense of preservation and protection which also what cryo is as well not to mention if you melt geo and cryo they turn into hydro and pyro it makes sense for hydro and Pyro to be the knight pieces one because they are both considered living entities that possess a will and furina and mavuika both have very strong wills despite being humans mavuika is an inheritor of xabalanques will while furina possesses a will as strings as the gods both showing clear parallels to each other not to mention again their lines and hypostasis are both is liquid based formes once again, showing their connection and familiarity while all life comes from water it is also represented as a lit fire and one Starfire goes out that life is done the reason why I don’t think the pyro gnosis is a rook is because it doesn’t have any cubic similarity especially with the crown it doesn’t make any sense for Pyro to be represented as a rook when the element is very clear to be represented as destruction even nanook the aeon of destruction, has flames around himself
I almost didn't see this video because it didn't have enough red lettering in it's thumbnail :)
Actually I like the longer titles.
@@davidjohnson8273 I don't really use red in the thumbnail titles that often, though
The idea of the sword of Damocles is interesting, even if I can't really see it. The zodiac sign idea is interesting, but there is around 24/25 tarot cards, so I don't know if that fit the harbingers, or rather if it fit only the harbingers.
As for the gnosis.. there is one thing weird. If it is supposed to maintain Teyvat rules intact. First weird point, why give them to people who after barely 2000years don't give a shit about them.
And secondly why are they so fragile? If Nahida can threaten to break it, that mean it's really not sturdy at all
@@hirods9889 well, apart from the sword, yes, there are 22 major arcana and many more minor arcana, but only 12 of the major arcana are officially associated to the zodiac signs. The association wasn't my theory, it's something that actually exists.
As for the gnoses, they were given to the Archons probably becuase they would care more for their own lives and those of their people, so they wouldn't willingly sacrifice themselves, nor would the people decide to give up on the protection of their Archon, so the divine throne would be safe. I doubt Celestia would have ever predicted Focalors' plan.
As for how fragile they are, well, would Nahida actually be able to break a gnosis? It was a gamble, she didn't know what would happen if she did, but it also means that she doesn't know whether it's actually possible. It's not like anyone tried before
@ShadowXImpact with how severe some things are in teyvat I doubt celestia would be that careless.
It was a gamble on whether it would awaken the heavenly principle or not. If she couldn't break it I don't believe dottore would have taken the bait
@@hirods9889 yeah, but then again, the Archons are the overseeres of the human realm and they exist to protect and guide their people, just as much as the people revere the Archons, even when they do something they disagree with, like in Inazuma and in Fontaine. Despite the tyrannical decisions of the shogun, most people still believed in and followed her, while in Fontaine, even though the people didn't take Furina seriously, mocked her behind her back and they not everybody liked how justice became a spectacle, they still believed in their Archon. The only nation where that didn't happen was Sumeru, becuase the people kept following Rukkhadevata, but that ended up being resolved anyway.
As for the gamble, yes, she was talking about awakening the heavenly principles, but as I said, no one has ever attempted to break a gnosis, so how could she be sure that it could be broken to begin with? Visions don't break, for example, and some of our characters really tried their worst to break them!
@ShadowXImpact that still doesn't explain why they were given to the Archons or why they give them up. It's like the tops of a company handing over all the secret files of their company to another. The first one got "stolen" barely. But nobody actually cares. And it's supposed to represent the rules of the world? xD
@@hirods9889 well, maybe it doesn't matter if they get stolen because, normally, they can't be used by any other being except for the right Archon? Or, to be more precise, only one or the two powers of the gnoses can by used by someone else, the power related to the Ley Lines (weaving a net with souls, accessing memories, creating indemnitium from belief), but only the correct Archon can use the fighting power, which is the only thing that can destroy a divine throne (unleashing the true power of the gnosis, so the sword or the sun).
Still, if they didn't give them to the overseers of the human realm, it's not like they had many other alternatives. Having created the gnoses, means that they can't keep them, so the best option is to give them to the being that rule over Teyvat, so they represent the acknowledgment of those beings as Archons by Celestia, the order they created
>Shows the Devil Tarot card
It better be the Traveler; Paimon is, after all, the most loyal of Lucifer's followers, just as our little silvery companion is to the Traveler...
Or... Could it be...Paimon, instead? She *_is_* silver, a metallic gray.
Anyways, I'll keep watching lol
8:23 So, the Traveler and Paimon 🗣️🗣️🗣️
13:14 Gwait, no way it could be Ororon...
8:12 We literally don't know how he got his vision, and he had it long before the fight with the Narwhal. The Narwhal has only gone to the Primordial Sea once, else, there wouldn't be a Teyvat in which to play the game. Childe most likely got it after coming back from the Abyss, after his training gave him new resolve or something.
@@KyzenEX Ok, since you're the second person so far who said this, let's make it clear. The traveler is not and is not going to be the tenth harbinger, it makes no sense, really. Plus, we have 11 constellation symbols, and neither the traveler, nor the sibling, nor Ororon (his constellation is in the Pilgrim's Chronicle, it looks like a bat) have one of those constellations. Same goes for Paimon, but I'll make a video on her, so wait for that one.
As for Childe. He fell into an "unknown abyss" when he was a kid, and there he met the Narwhal, which gave him his hydro powers, that's literally what he told us in Fontaine and what we already knew from his character story. Now, the place where he fell into the "unknown abyss" disappeared after he got out, so he most likely didn't fall into the actual abyss, he was brought to the Primordial Sea, where Surtalogi was raising his narwhal pet, because these all-devouring Narwhals, as we were told, feed on the Primordial seas of the planets they encounter. Skirk, who "happened" to be there where he fell (reason why I think he didn't accidentally fall, it was a trap just for him) then trained him to teach him how to fight and pass onto him Surtalogi's Legacy, the Foul Legacy
@@ShadowXImpactLemme cope :;. Also, it could still be Paimon hehe. Either way, I said Ororon because of his Vision's gray encasing (something we only see with Harbingers (sadly we don't have any non-Harbinger delusion-haver as a playable character)), so he's the only option (as of now) who could fit the description of a Natlanese with ties to the Fatui who has shown up during the Archon Quest, and he's been pretty close to Il Capitano so far. Although, I just remembered the pattern with the 2nd Harbinger showing up way later during the chapter (Mondstadt/Prologue Chapter does break the "rule"). *_If_* there is a 2nd Harbinger in Natlan at all, that is.
As per Childe, maybe yes, maybe not. But, why wait for so long to let the Narwhal eat the Primordial Sea? I mean, maybe it was just to test Childe's growth, but idk, it just doesn't sit right with me. Also, I seriously doubt the Narwhal was just a little thing, small enough to give Childe a fight but not to be a threat to Teyvat by taking it to the Primordial Sea back then, it's been a relatively (for the Narwhal and Surtalogi, maybe even Skirk) short period of time between the two events, after all. Also, we really have no idea of what the abyss really looks like, or how many such "spaces" there are, as it is clear that the place where Tartaglia fell was just somewhere outside regular Teyvat, but considering Surtalogi and Skirk, I doubt it was far away from the actual space taken over by the Abyss.
Also, I wanna take the opportunity to tell you something I've noticed, and that is that, when you open the door to Teyvat during the loading screen, for a brief second, the background of the Spiral Abyss's Chamber selection screen can be seen on the sides. It's a detail that's been eating away at my head and I need to tell someone with more brains that I have, and I still can't decide whether to give it further thought or maybe attribute it to weird asset priority behaviour, which would be the lamer option tbh.
@KyzenEX well, I still think Ororon can't be a Harbinger because of the constellation, since we have 11 constellations for them. Yes, he got close to Capitano, but that was to protect Citlali and he even was lucky that Capitano is a good guy (excluding his first and second plan), but I don't really see him becoming one of the Fatui. He has no qualms with the heavenly principles, so why would he join them? As for the vision, in my last video I shared some possibilities for the silver casing, and it's either related to his soul (which cna also apply to Arlecchino and Childe) or having defied fate (again, it applies to the other two).
As for Childe, I still think he was taken on purpose to that abyss, in order to give him Surtalogi's legacy. It's just too much of a coincidence that he suddenly fell into the abyss, found the narwhal, met Skirk, she taught him to fight, she gave him the legacy and set him free...
As for the door, I've never seen that, I'll check it out tomorrow (it's 4am, I need to go to sleep!). I'll record the video and watch it frame by frame. Still, I've always said in my videos that I believe that door to be the entrance to Teyvat, and that it is in the abyss, so it would make sense. Remember that the twins tried to escape Teyvat through the abyss, so to get in and out, you need to go through it. Plus, the two meteors in the opening cutscenes were going toward musk reef, where the abyss is...
Harbinger crystal colours feels like a swing and a miss. You're over thinking it all.
The Harbinger crystal colours don't mean anything and are just coloured with the same highlight colour as their model.
* Pierro is a pale blue (not green) matching his necklace perfectly and his eye.
* Childe's is red matching (as you said) his scarf
* Arlecchino's colours are red/black of course, as are her eyes.
* Pulcinella's main colour is a darker blue than his crystal but his scarf is the right light blue.
* Sandrone's orange matches her cloak thing
* Capitano is black obviously
* Columbina's is basically white (considering the blue filter the whole scene is in) and with a little red - just like her clothes.
* Pantalone is purple like his clothes and his rings
* Dottore's is a light blue like his test tube fluid and other details.
Sets of 12 colours are pretty common. The absence of Scaramouche and 10th give you two outs. It's pretty easy to make most sets of 12 colours fit. Try it with -- I dunno - birthstones maybe -- all sort of sets of 12. There's a few problems though. Arlecchino is black-red and not a single colour which will never fit. And doesn't fit the Zodiac. Brown? Good grief. Come on man. You think her crystal is brown??? It's not. Swing and a miss. Capitano is another issue because groups of 12 colours usually don't include black and white, or if they do it's both. So make Columbina white and it's easier for you. The other issue is there's too many blue-ish colours and not a single green. But you can use your 2 missing harbingers to fill in that gap. But does anyone thing Scaramouche is green?
As for the matching with the major Arcana, as I said with the Hypostases which you also think are linked to them, you can always just make up some nonsense to pretend there's a link. If you had made your decision as to which major Arcana you thought matched each Harbinger BEFORE looking then that would have been impressive. After the fact it's meaningless. Well it means you have an agile imagination.
Also if the colours did match Zodiac then the ordering would match and it does not.
@@davidjohnson8273 listen, I'm actually getting sick of your attitude to be honest. I was writing a longer reply, but I then realized how pointless that is with you. It's been years that I've been telling you I won't accept your rudeness, and here we are.
Your comments are not constructive, it's just your attempt at belittling and mocking my efforts and research. So no, I'm not overthinking things, nor am I swinging and missing. You make yourself sound so high and mighty with "it just represents their model colors" and yet, you're too focused on mocking my theory to even stop and think "why have their models been designed with those colors?" "why is Childe red if he's hydro and Electro?" "why is signora yellow if she's Pyro and cryo?".
So for once, do yourself a favor and think.
Lastly, Pierro is light green, not blue, and Colombina is pink, not red. At the very least, double check things before speaking
i feel like it does have a little teaser to their lore. For me, this is mostly bc of Sandrone's orange rarely showing up, and it's a little coincidental that azosite, which powers a lot of Khaenriahn technology, is also orange which fits her obsession with robots.
😅 I felt targeted 🎯 with wander......I'm also Taurus ♉
@@yamisarkar91 😂 well, consider im Virgo, brown is my least favorite color, but at least I get Arlecchino on my side! Father!!! 🤣
Wait, are you getting some of your colour associations from Homestuck?
@@CreatrixTiara what's Homestuck? Anyway, no, I researched them and, although there aren't universally recognized colors, I picked the color scheme that most astrology websites agreed with
@ShadowXImpact it's a very complex webcomic about a group of kids that create a new universe via a video game (this is oversimplified). There are a group of trolls based on the Zodiac that also have associated colours, and a couple of yours matched!
As a Libra I am pleased let’s go
@@marcusbullock2753 as a virgo, I'm also very pleased!!!
Capitano's crystal is actually gray. That would mean his zodiac is actually Capricorn. Fitting when you look at the biblical meaning for the number 1.
@@phoenixgrimoire3833 in the game, the crystal is grey, but in the night's Lazzo video it's black, especially compared with Colombina's crystal which is actually grey but with a pink core.
Considering how the 3d characters are always less detailed than in the videos, I think the right colors are those from the video, at least that's my thought process
@ShadowXImpact Then how do you explain that small gray crystal on his coat? You can actually see it during the animation short with Arlecchino. You even said that the colored crystals was on the coat when you brought up Signora. And before you say anything, I double checked before writing this.
@phoenixgrimoire3833 okay, I had a doubt about how I worded my comment before. There is a difference between drawings used in some videos (like the Winter Night's Lazzo video and Song of Burning Embers) and the 3D model used in game, which is the same model used for the cutscenes (like the fighting scene) and the demo videos.
The 3D models are obviously different from the drawings, so while in the game the crystal on the coat is grey (and in that fighting scene you don't see the crystal at the end of the coat because Capitano is using a different coat altogether), in the Winter Night's Lazzo video, so in the drawing, the crystal is actually black, just like the crystal at the end of the coat and the storm shield (which is fabric, so it wouldn't change according to the lighting). Since those drawings are the official art, I believe those are the ones that need to be taken into consideration, especially since that's where we see all the Harbingers together.
I also think that the 3D model's crystal became grey simply because in the game, if it were black, it would have been really hard to see, which isn't a problem when it comes to art, because the artist gets to decide how the lighting works
@@ShadowXImpact Nobody's faulting you. Even back then, I thought that his crystal was going to be black just like in the teaser. But that was before Arlecchino. Now, I wondering if the black crystal is actually for the 10th harbinger instead of the 1st.
As for why I thought that his zodiac would be Capricorn? It has to do with what you said about the Devil Arcana, that it represents the feeling of being trapped.
At first I thought it was referring to the curse of immortality, but then I recalled what he said to Ororon after his fight with Mavuika, that he "heard" something from here (by that, I mean the burnt mark on his chest). Some speculated that he may actually have souls in his body, which would explain where Guthred came from when he Grand Theft Ororon. As for how he could've stored those souls into him? I would like to think that maybe Ayizu taught him how to do that.
...Ugh! I made Capitano look like he's Legion, didn't I?
@phoenixgrimoire3833 well, I actually also think he has the souls of his legion inside of him, I said it in my 5.1 analysis video, but even with that in mind, I still think he's Death, because it represents the end of something and the beginning of something new, and Capitano went to the Lord of the Night to ask her for her help to save both Khaenri'ah and Natlan, so my thought is that he will use those souls, his own included, to pay for both Mavuika and Xilonen's debts, so that they may keep living after creating the traveler's ancient name and after defeating the abyss with Ronova's powers. So he would mark the end of Natlan's problem with the abyss, and give Natlan a hope for the future, a new beginning in which they're finally free
Kinda obvious the 10th harbinger’s gonna be the traveller isn’t it?
@@callmeandoru2627 why??? You're the third viewer who said so, and I still can't understand why the traveler would be the 10th harbinger. I mean, we have 11 constellations for them, so the Harbinger already exists, plus it wouldn't make sense for Childe to be the 11th harbinger and not the 10th if the spot was open, but above all, the traveler doesn't even have a real constellation, and the pseudo one he's got, is not even remotely similar to any of the symbols
Strength wise it makes no sense.
im so early
@@AlezandraOcampo oh, the video wasn't even supposed to come out today, so we could say I'm earlier than you! I picked the wrong date when I scheduled the release 🤣
As for the 2nd half of the video about the Gnoses, Descenders and chess pieces I don't see anything to agree with [outside of the first minute of recapping what we've been explicitly told], but it's a cloudy sort of area of the lore so I'll mostly let it go. Mostly.
* the Gnoses and Visions are to suppress the Abyss, not the Light Realm, and not to stop dragons getting their "authorities", which were not "stolen"
* the Traveler has nothing to do with Visions
* the Statues of Seven have nothing to do with Irminsul
* the Nails have nothing to do with being a set of elements, one each. I doubt there's one per nation either.
We agree that any chess theory (but yours) like the new one about them all being kings, is dumb. I just think one more chess theory is dumb than you do! Chess theory is a total red herring.
I like your observation that Pierro doesn't play with the Cryo gnosis. But I think a simpler explanation is that the Tsaritsa doesn't have her own gnosis. Either way it explains why the Harbingers don't try to put together the 7 gnoses in Natlan but instead we have to wait.
@@davidjohnson8273 oh now the authorities of the dragons weren't even stolen, even though Focalors literally said that... Okay... Who knows what game you're playing...
@@ShadowXImpact to be specific, they were usurped. Stolen would imply that they were taken in secret. But well, nothing to stress about too much.
@@justsomeguywithgreenhair stealing something doesn't really mean taking something in secret. You can steal something from a person right in front of their face. Stealing means taking something that doesn't belong to you without the owner's consent and without the intention of giving it back. As a consequence, whether you call it usurping or stealing, the definition is literally the same.
Though, that wasn't even the point of the main comment here. The purpose here was to just mock me and my theories, acting all superior as if he helf the truth, while conveniently never telling this supposed truth. I prefer directing my time to replying to people who disagree with my theories but are still trying to be constructive, sharing their theories, fully knowing that they are theories and that they can be as wrong as I can be.
@@ShadowXImpact sure. Fair enough.
The 12 steps of some obscure dude's alchemical processes is more you seeing a pattern (after the fact) where none exists by matching vague things with other vague things. Again if this had been intentional then the ordering would match up and you would have (quite rightly) bragged about the 1000s to one odds against such an ordering match by random luck. There's an ordering of the Harbingers, an ordering of the Zodiac, an ordering of the 12 super obscure alchemical steps you managed to find, and an ordering of the Harbinger constellations within the Harbinger wheel. And none of them match any of the others.
But my theory works pretty well on the ordering still despite Arlecchino being a bust over their description of her as having a sort of dual personality. Namely the ordering of the Harbingers matches the ordering of the constellations in the Wheel from the top right hand side, to the top left side, to the 2nd row right, 2nd row left etc all the way down to the bottom. And as I've said before the odds of this happening by random luck is 1000s : 1 against. This is not a match made up random observation to cards or Zodiac signs. The ordering down the Wheel exactly matches the ordering by rank of every known harbinger.
1 : Capitano (you agree)
2 : Dottore (you agree)
3 : Columbina (you agree)
4 : Crucabena (you say this is Pantalone)
4 : Arlecchino (you agree)
5 : Pulcinella (you agree)
6 : Scaramouche (you agree)
7 : Sandrone (you say this is the non-existent 10th Harbinger
8 : Signora (you agree)
9 : Pantalone (you say this is Sandrone)
11 : Childe (you agree)
The odds of a fit that good by chance is very low. This is good evidence. Matching stuff about cards to Zodiac to alchemical steps etc is not. I mean if it was an actual match it would be great evidence but none of it fits and you don't get any matching ordering. It's true that on this basis I assumed (because they said Arlecchino had a dual personality which was a total lie) the two 4th rank Harbingers would both be Arlecchino twice, and yes it's a boring solution, but the fact is we have 10 Harbingers and 11 constellations so we need one more and that is Crucabena who was also a 4th rank harbinger who came before Arlecchino chronologically and therefore in the Wheel ordering too. In a sense Crucabena is the shadow side of Arlecchino. The "mother" to her "father". But that doesn't really matter. The point is that Arlecchino's story revealed the existence of another 4th ranked harbinger. Yes, in a completely boring and shitty way which really disappointed me, but all my theory wanted was a 2nd 4th ranked Harbinger (or a 2nd 3rd ranked harbinger would also have worked).
@@davidjohnson8273 I'm not even replying to this. I stopped at "bragged about the 1000s to one odds against such ordering march by random luck".
I don't deal with luck, I research things, I study them, and then I come to conclusions. As always, your rudeness precedes you