After Fontaine I realize power scaling in Genshin is as good as power scaling in DBZ Arlechinno wiped the floor with us but if plot demanded we could get a super boost in the next region and wipe the floor with her It makes no sense we lost to arlechinno so bad.
If the highest ranking Fatui couldn’t beat an Archon the Tsaritsa was really funny for sending the 8th against another three war veteran ones, Signoras lucky Venti got caught off guard and Zhongli is… well, Zhongli
The Mavuika vs Capitano fight really threw us for a loop. If the strongest fatui harbinger couldn't defeat Mavuika, then how strong really are the harbingers. Does that mean the traveller is super weak since he couldn't even defeat Arlecchino on his own? Is Mavuika the strongest because of Ronova?
When 5.0 first dropped I was confused what the fight would mean power scaling wise (because it would mean the Traveler is weak as hell) but I think 5.1 made it more clear. Since Mavuika is equal to Capitano (her words, not mine), the harbinger powerscaling probably goes like this: Capitano = strong archon (Raiden, Zhongli, and Mavuika) Dottore = medium tier archon (maybe strong archon tier in phase 2?) Columbina = weak archon Arlecchino = adeptus tier
Capitano was literally using Less than 30% of His power as he said himself in 5.1. besides that fact, there could be stronger Harbingers as ranks aren't just Strenght
I just want to point out a number of things I disagree with in your evaluation of Neuvillette's strength. 1. "The sovereigns fought against the Primordial One and the Shades for 40 years, therefore they are comparable to the Heavenly Principles". This statement is missing a lot of crucial context. For one, the book where we learn this is extremely vague. we do not know if it was 40 years of non-stop battle, or many individual battles and skirmishes across a period of 40 years. Secondly, the Sovereigns were not fighting alone. They had the backing of the most advanced civilization Teyvat has ever known, which spanned the entire wield. As such the sovereigns would have been fighting against the Heavenly Principles alongside large armies of dragons, alongside many powerful dragon lords like Scylla, whilst wielding incredibly advanced technology to support them. To lose a war like that in only 40 years is actually a sign of how much more powerful the Heavens are compared to the Sovereigns, as many other major conflicts in Teyvat's history have lasted for centuries or even millenia, such as the Night-Warden Wars in Natlan, or the Archon War. And the Sovereigns didn't just lose, they were completely crushed along with their people, their cities and culture demolished, and their entire realm subjugated. Meanwhile, the Heavenly Principles didn't suffer any losses until the dragons returned with the power of the Abyss to exact vengeance. 2. "Neuvillette's final ascension line says he has the power to judge the rest of the gods." This is not an objective statement, it is Neuvillette's subjective evaluation of himself. And it is unreliable for two main reasons. Firstly, Neuvillette has never met or fought against any of the other gods. He has absolutely no idea how powerful or difficult they are as opponents beyond what he has learned through stories, legends, and whatever the Traveler may or may not have told him. Secondly, the dragons are notoriously arrogant and prideful. Just about every dragon we have talked to has rambled on and on about how powerful and supreme they are, and how the mortal realm is puny and insignificant. And yet, when you look at the actual history of Teyvat, the dragons have routinely been defeated and subjugated by the human realm. Neuvillette is no different, I see no reason to take him at his word when he hasn't actually displayed the ability to defeat the other gods yet. 3. "Neuvillette is strong enough to equal and rival the human realm". There is a reason "the human realm" is in quotation marks in that passage. It is not trying to say that Neuvillette is as powerful as every god, human, etc. combined, that's just conjecture based on one interpretation. Character Story 5 is about how Neuvillette doesn't have a constellation and is unbound in fate. He rivals the human realm in the sense that he is unbound by the laws of Heaven which all other beings within that realm are subject to. He has his own fate, and can impose his own "laws", such as choosing whether or not to hand out visions, whereas the Archons are obligated to do so whether they like it or not. That's what I think that passage is trying to convey, rather than making a statement about combat ability. Even from a common sense point of view, saying that Neuvillette is as powerful as EVERY SINGLE BEING IN THE HUMAN REALM COMBINED, is an absolutely wild conclusion to draw. The sovereigns are not that strong individually, and they have never been shown to be that strong in practice.
@@secondtest1454 1. Before Sun and Moon is admittedly very vague on a lot of details but the fact that it only notes the Sovereigns doing battle with the Primordial One and the Shades should tell you that they did most of the heavy lifting. 2. Neuvillette would infact know how strong he'd need to be to defeat an Archon considering Focalors gave him a lengthy explanation on how much power it would take to kill an Archon and destroy the divine throne. Plus he is in possession of one of the Archons authorities. Also while he may be prideful he isn't stupid and wouldn't do something as significant as judge and or fight a god if he didn't know he had the power to do it. 3. Fair enough on this
2. Neuvilette +gnosis is on full power of an dragon sovereign dont forget that. also dont forget that archons without their gnosis arnt that powerful as it contains a big part of their power. he met forcalore and got her gnosis so he knows how strong an archon potentially is, also neuvilette is allways calculating and being objektive about things so his evaluation is most likely very accurate. Dragons are known by lore to be prideful and arogant, but neuvilette is known for being self reflected, humble and learning not only from the mistakes of the past, but also from the mistakes other beings did. agree with 1./3. for the most part its hard to make conclusions about how strong are entities we didnt met yet in the game. but from what we got so far even with mavuika and capitano its save to say that neuvilette is the strongest being we met so far (exept maybe childs master)
@@Sinvallis Fair enough, I can agree that Neuvillette isn't like the rest of the dragons. However, I think that there is still more for him to learn about the world in the future. If the power of a single sovereign was enough to overturn the heavens as he claims, the dragons wouldn't be in the sorry state they are now. I'm hoping Neuvillette will realise that he needs something more to set him apart from the sovereigns of the past, rather than putting so much faith in the Hydro Authority alone. As for your comment about the archon's strength, I can't agree. The archons are not all the same level of power, not even close. For starters, they each have many sources of strength beyond just the gnosis and the authority. These can include physical strength, martial prowess, divine abilities, mystic arts, technological devices, and whatever elemental power they may have already had before becoming an archon. Morax was heralded as the Lord of Geo before becoming the Archon. Ei was significantly more powerful than her sister even back when Makoto held both the Authority and the Gnosis. That means that Ei's personal strength exceeds that of the Authority and Gnosis, and they do not make up the majority of her power. As for Focalor, we don't know how strong she was compared to the other archons, but she was most likely not on the level of Morax or Ei, as we have no indication of any fighting prowess or accomplishments in battle. Each archon is very distinct from any of the others. Meeting just one isn't enough for Neuvillette to truly understand all of them.
Your points are perfect! Furthermore, I would like to add the fact that, in the original Chinese in-game version of Neuvilette's Voicelines and Character Story 5, does not quote or affirm whatsoever that he, as a FULL SOVEREIGN, is more powerful than the Archons. Neuvilette's Character Story 5 in Chinese is "现在他取回了尘世七分之一大权重铸了元金之龙的王座与头衔与人的世界分庭抗礼." - translating, we have something like this: "Now he has taken back one-seventh of the power in the world and recast the throne and title of the Dragon of Water to compete with the human world." - The word "头衔" means title/status, referring to his title/status as the Hydro Sovereign, the passage "头衔与人的世界分庭抗礼" directly quotes that Neuvilette's title and status as the Hydro Sovereign is what "rivals the human world" - meanwhile, the phrase "分庭抗礼" essentially means to "remain equal" and/or to "stand on equal footing" with someone/something, this primarily states that Neuvilette is on an "equal footing" and "remains equal" with the Human Realm. Neuvilette's Voiceline in Chinese is this "从僭位者哪里回收了七之大权一角,这才是我本来的身姿, 我已是完全之龙,足以审判其余众神." - a correct translation would be something as this: "I have taken back a portion of the Seven Powers from the Usurper; this is my true self, I am now a complete dragon, capable of judging the rest of the gods." - The passage "我已是完全之龙 directly refers to Neuvilette attaining his full dragonhood, that iconic phrase of his "I am now fully fledged dragon" is correct, the word "足以" means "capable of" and not necessarily implies strength or power whatsoever; finally, the phrase "足以审判其余众神" simply states that he is ABLE, that he is in the POSITION of doing so, to judge the gods; which, once again, does not imply strength or power whatsoever. - My point is: the "arguments" used to "prove" Neuvilette's (and therefore the Sovereigns) supposed "superiority" in relation with the Archons - besides being vague, ambiguous, unquantifiable and context-less as you mentioned - were also poorly translated and adapted to the English localization of the game.
Traveller might gotten help against scara it doesn't change the fact that afterwards the knowledge was theirs, that's a lot of battle experience and imo current natlan traveller would win against scara from that fight easily.
In Lore Neuvillette Is Debunked. Capitano is way stronger than Mavuika with his full Power, he literally Confirmed he has less than half of his power if not more and was still equal and the fight rnded in a tie. Also, Lower ranked Harbingers can be stronger than Capitano, Ranks aren't based on Physical Strength alone. The Strongest Playable Characters in Lore are: Raiden Ei>>>>>>>Arlecchino debetable with Mavuika>Zhongli Probably. The thing is, Nahida already debunked Neuvillette, he is a fodder. He doesn't have the strength everylne thinks, and Sovereign dragons are not>Archons. The only reason they were strong in the past is because they were heavily buffed with forbidden knowledge, without it they are not nearly as strong. Raiden is the most broken lore character, no one conpares to her in feats. Dimensional cuts, time stopping, Teleportation speed, Her base non Archon form One tapped Orobashi eho is incredibly OP and Split everything from That island until Narukami in Half, stated to have vaporized the oceans and Split the sky open. On top of all that she has the plane of euthymia, basically a domain where she locks you up, you can't use elemental powers and she can 2v1 you with her clone. She has pretty much infinite Stamina, she fought herself for 500 years. I am not even glazing, don't call me a simp because thease are literally facts written in the Game. No one Compares to her, she out-Haxes every single character, blitzes them before they can open their eyes. There shouldn't be any debates on this, after her You can debate whoever you want . Again Harbinger ranks aren't based on strength because Childe>Signora by a land slide, and Signora herself stated that Scaramouche was only 6 because of his Durability,not his name, so perhaps Capitano is 1 Because he is immortal, not necessarily because he is the strongest. Columbina is heavily implied to be the strongest by everyone, and even chasca said in the flower fether clan, that they are also not ranked on physical strength like the traveler and paimon thought. Strongest lore character would go Raiden Ei>Arlecchino>Childe>The rest for the most part. I would say thease are the current top 3 Playable character and this shouldn't be a debate.
1- Nevullite 2-zhonglj (there is reason why we never seen him fight most of the strongest weapon made in the entire world are his doing) 3-arle(nahida word can barely be trusted she is a child no4 harbinger defeated much powerfull traveller that fought ei and traveller couldn't even move in her presence like frozen still this never happen against ei also ei literally stole our kill. No4 even said she can kill no2 harbinger if he cross the line if she can do it or not is up to assumption) 4- Ei (her best feat his killing a serpant god which was prying on defenceless human and slicing a portion of island which other archon have done it too if not better in past venti was moving mountains and zhongli was summoning mountain size spear like without lifting a finger.) 5- God complex version of wanderor (venti is not here because currently he is much weaker)
Zhongli litterally blizted by any archon Ei haxs and speed alone demolish Arle + Aether needed an amp that bassicly revivie him to being equal to Ei while with Arle, Traveler was stated weaken Even do Nahida is a child she litterally has amoung best IQ feats of the Archons + Dottore litterally had to trade her some knowledge for a gnosis
@puppet_43 cap ei get bodies by arle bruh she no diff buffed traveller who can't even move in her presence. That's far beyond anything Ei did. And zhongli lore feat far surpass her. Nahida would have gotten absolutely destroyed if she didn't threaten to destroy genosis.
@@user-ww9ww1pp2u How is a Non God lvl stronger than an Archon? the top 7 strongest gods in teyvat? Yeah, she bassicly had to pull up strings to make that so that just means Arle has thread Manip and ei dont Tell me 1 Zhongli speed feat (Cus they bassicly scale of the same and the only difference gonna be their speeds) i never say she was gonna win against dottore, just that she has the knowledge to prove her claim lol
@johnboy4037 know I didn't mean that Also can you make a vid talking about the archons origins? Like their race and stuff we know from the lore I am curious about AE the most
technically speaking he's an adeptus, just that he's like adeptus PRO MAX and his adeptus form takes the shape of a dragon. like how xianyun (cloud retainer) takes the shape of a crane or xiao has a bird form. nothing to do with the likes of apep or neuvilette
Neuv is a reincarnation. He cannot be at full power in his human vessel. Note the prophecy from Enkanomiya stating the next hydro dragon will be reincarnated as a human. This is Neuv, not Koko. Zhongli is not just older but predates Teyvat. Its only stated he arrived in Teyvat 6000 years ago, but nothing says how old he was when that happened. He and Neuv are the only archons whose constellation name is not the same as their story. Its clear that Zhongli has hidden power and knows a lot more than we think. The only reason he didnt tell us any more than he did was because he was bound by a contract. As stated by Keqing that the age of adeptus is over, Zhongli sided with this notion by simply stepping down from his role, but he clearly still holds the same power. Hes not an ordinary human as he says in a few of his lines.
Its more likely that zhongli was an ancient dragon In the past. In cn it says he was demoted. Zhongli probably had a constellation before PO arrived then he surrendered to PO and is now working as a archon
After Fontaine I realize power scaling in Genshin is as good as power scaling in DBZ
Arlechinno wiped the floor with us but if plot demanded we could get a super boost in the next region and wipe the floor with her
It makes no sense we lost to arlechinno so bad.
If the highest ranking Fatui couldn’t beat an Archon the Tsaritsa was really funny for sending the 8th against another three war veteran ones, Signoras lucky Venti got caught off guard and Zhongli is… well, Zhongli
The Mavuika vs Capitano fight really threw us for a loop. If the strongest fatui harbinger couldn't defeat Mavuika, then how strong really are the harbingers. Does that mean the traveller is super weak since he couldn't even defeat Arlecchino on his own? Is Mavuika the strongest because of Ronova?
When 5.0 first dropped I was confused what the fight would mean power scaling wise (because it would mean the Traveler is weak as hell) but I think 5.1 made it more clear. Since Mavuika is equal to Capitano (her words, not mine), the harbinger powerscaling probably goes like this:
Capitano = strong archon (Raiden, Zhongli, and Mavuika)
Dottore = medium tier archon (maybe strong archon tier in phase 2?)
Columbina = weak archon
Arlecchino = adeptus tier
From current info
Current Capitano < Mavuika
Dottore > Nahida
@@信衞門 not too much, but i feel like raiden would mop the floor with capitano...i might just be glazing tho !
Capitano was literally using Less than 30% of His power as he said himself in 5.1. besides that fact, there could be stronger Harbingers as ranks aren't just Strenght
I just want to point out a number of things I disagree with in your evaluation of Neuvillette's strength.
1. "The sovereigns fought against the Primordial One and the Shades for 40 years, therefore they are comparable to the Heavenly Principles".
This statement is missing a lot of crucial context. For one, the book where we learn this is extremely vague. we do not know if it was 40 years of non-stop battle, or many individual battles and skirmishes across a period of 40 years. Secondly, the Sovereigns were not fighting alone.
They had the backing of the most advanced civilization Teyvat has ever known, which spanned the entire wield. As such the sovereigns would have been fighting against the Heavenly Principles alongside large armies of dragons, alongside many powerful dragon lords like Scylla, whilst wielding incredibly advanced technology to support them.
To lose a war like that in only 40 years is actually a sign of how much more powerful the Heavens are compared to the Sovereigns, as many other major conflicts in Teyvat's history have lasted for centuries or even millenia, such as the Night-Warden Wars in Natlan, or the Archon War. And the Sovereigns didn't just lose, they were completely crushed along with their people, their cities and culture demolished, and their entire realm subjugated.
Meanwhile, the Heavenly Principles didn't suffer any losses until the dragons returned with the power of the Abyss to exact vengeance.
2. "Neuvillette's final ascension line says he has the power to judge the rest of the gods."
This is not an objective statement, it is Neuvillette's subjective evaluation of himself. And it is unreliable for two main reasons.
Firstly, Neuvillette has never met or fought against any of the other gods. He has absolutely no idea how powerful or difficult they are as opponents beyond what he has learned through stories, legends, and whatever the Traveler may or may not have told him.
Secondly, the dragons are notoriously arrogant and prideful. Just about every dragon we have talked to has rambled on and on about how powerful and supreme they are, and how the mortal realm is puny and insignificant. And yet, when you look at the actual history of Teyvat, the dragons have routinely been defeated and subjugated by the human realm. Neuvillette is no different, I see no reason to take him at his word when he hasn't actually displayed the ability to defeat the other gods yet.
3. "Neuvillette is strong enough to equal and rival the human realm".
There is a reason "the human realm" is in quotation marks in that passage. It is not trying to say that Neuvillette is as powerful as every god, human, etc. combined, that's just conjecture based on one interpretation.
Character Story 5 is about how Neuvillette doesn't have a constellation and is unbound in fate. He rivals the human realm in the sense that he is unbound by the laws of Heaven which all other beings within that realm are subject to. He has his own fate, and can impose his own "laws", such as choosing whether or not to hand out visions, whereas the Archons are obligated to do so whether they like it or not. That's what I think that passage is trying to convey, rather than making a statement about combat ability.
Even from a common sense point of view, saying that Neuvillette is as powerful as EVERY SINGLE BEING IN THE HUMAN REALM COMBINED, is an absolutely wild conclusion to draw. The sovereigns are not that strong individually, and they have never been shown to be that strong in practice.
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1. Before Sun and Moon is admittedly very vague on a lot of details but the fact that it only notes the Sovereigns doing battle with the Primordial One and the Shades should tell you that they did most of the heavy lifting.
2. Neuvillette would infact know how strong he'd need to be to defeat an Archon considering Focalors gave him a lengthy explanation on how much power it would take to kill an Archon and destroy the divine throne. Plus he is in possession of one of the Archons authorities.
Also while he may be prideful he isn't stupid and wouldn't do something as significant as judge and or fight a god if he didn't know he had the power to do it.
3. Fair enough on this
2. Neuvilette +gnosis is on full power of an dragon sovereign dont forget that. also dont forget that archons without their gnosis arnt that powerful as it contains a big part of their power. he met forcalore and got her gnosis so he knows how strong an archon potentially is, also neuvilette is allways calculating and being objektive about things so his evaluation is most likely very accurate. Dragons are known by lore to be prideful and arogant, but neuvilette is known for being self reflected, humble and learning not only from the mistakes of the past, but also from the mistakes other beings did. agree with 1./3. for the most part
its hard to make conclusions about how strong are entities we didnt met yet in the game. but from what we got so far even with mavuika and capitano its save to say that neuvilette is the strongest being we met so far (exept maybe childs master)
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Fair enough, I can agree that Neuvillette isn't like the rest of the dragons. However, I think that there is still more for him to learn about the world in the future. If the power of a single sovereign was enough to overturn the heavens as he claims, the dragons wouldn't be in the sorry state they are now. I'm hoping Neuvillette will realise that he needs something more to set him apart from the sovereigns of the past, rather than putting so much faith in the Hydro Authority alone.
As for your comment about the archon's strength, I can't agree. The archons are not all the same level of power, not even close. For starters, they each have many sources of strength beyond just the gnosis and the authority. These can include physical strength, martial prowess, divine abilities, mystic arts, technological devices, and whatever elemental power they may have already had before becoming an archon.
Morax was heralded as the Lord of Geo before becoming the Archon. Ei was significantly more powerful than her sister even back when Makoto held both the Authority and the Gnosis. That means that Ei's personal strength exceeds that of the Authority and Gnosis, and they do not make up the majority of her power.
As for Focalor, we don't know how strong she was compared to the other archons, but she was most likely not on the level of Morax or Ei, as we have no indication of any fighting prowess or accomplishments in battle.
Each archon is very distinct from any of the others. Meeting just one isn't enough for Neuvillette to truly understand all of them.
@secondtest1454 agree
Your points are perfect! Furthermore, I would like to add the fact that, in the original Chinese in-game version of Neuvilette's Voicelines and Character Story 5, does not quote or affirm whatsoever that he, as a FULL SOVEREIGN, is more powerful than the Archons.
Neuvilette's Character Story 5 in Chinese is "现在他取回了尘世七分之一大权重铸了元金之龙的王座与头衔与人的世界分庭抗礼." - translating, we have something like this: "Now he has taken back one-seventh of the power in the world and recast the throne and title of the Dragon of Water to compete with the human world."
- The word "头衔" means title/status, referring to his title/status as the Hydro Sovereign, the passage "头衔与人的世界分庭抗礼" directly quotes that Neuvilette's title and status as the Hydro Sovereign is what "rivals the human world" - meanwhile, the phrase "分庭抗礼" essentially means to "remain equal" and/or to "stand on equal footing" with someone/something, this primarily states that Neuvilette is on an "equal footing" and "remains equal" with the Human Realm.
Neuvilette's Voiceline in Chinese is this "从僭位者哪里回收了七之大权一角,这才是我本来的身姿, 我已是完全之龙,足以审判其余众神." - a correct translation would be something as this: "I have taken back a portion of the Seven Powers from the Usurper; this is my true self, I am now a complete dragon, capable of judging the rest of the gods."
- The passage "我已是完全之龙 directly refers to Neuvilette attaining his full dragonhood, that iconic phrase of his "I am now fully fledged dragon" is correct, the word "足以" means "capable of" and not necessarily implies strength or power whatsoever; finally, the phrase "足以审判其余众神" simply states that he is ABLE, that he is in the POSITION of doing so, to judge the gods; which, once again, does not imply strength or power whatsoever.
- My point is: the "arguments" used to "prove" Neuvilette's (and therefore the Sovereigns) supposed "superiority" in relation with the Archons - besides being vague, ambiguous, unquantifiable and context-less as you mentioned - were also poorly translated and adapted to the English localization of the game.
Ngl this video breaks down everything perfectly totally agree with him being the strongest
Thanks Sy💗
Realistically, traveler solo's i meant they can just heal and most importantly RESPAWN
this is a really good video. You get a sub
Thank you❤️
Arabalika solos everyone
Based and Aranara pilled
According to the oratrice mecanique d'analyse cardinale
Traveller might gotten help against scara it doesn't change the fact that afterwards the knowledge was theirs, that's a lot of battle experience and imo current natlan traveller would win against scara from that fight easily.
In Lore Neuvillette Is Debunked. Capitano is way stronger than Mavuika with his full Power, he literally Confirmed he has less than half of his power if not more and was still equal and the fight rnded in a tie. Also, Lower ranked Harbingers can be stronger than Capitano, Ranks aren't based on Physical Strength alone. The Strongest Playable Characters in Lore are:
Raiden Ei>>>>>>>Arlecchino debetable with Mavuika>Zhongli Probably. The thing is, Nahida already debunked Neuvillette, he is a fodder. He doesn't have the strength everylne thinks, and Sovereign dragons are not>Archons. The only reason they were strong in the past is because they were heavily buffed with forbidden knowledge, without it they are not nearly as strong. Raiden is the most broken lore character, no one conpares to her in feats. Dimensional cuts, time stopping, Teleportation speed, Her base non Archon form One tapped Orobashi eho is incredibly OP and Split everything from That island until Narukami in Half, stated to have vaporized the oceans and Split the sky open. On top of all that she has the plane of euthymia, basically a domain where she locks you up, you can't use elemental powers and she can 2v1 you with her clone. She has pretty much infinite Stamina, she fought herself for 500 years. I am not even glazing, don't call me a simp because thease are literally facts written in the Game. No one Compares to her, she out-Haxes every single character, blitzes them before they can open their eyes. There shouldn't be any debates on this, after her You can debate whoever you want . Again Harbinger ranks aren't based on strength because Childe>Signora by a land slide, and Signora herself stated that Scaramouche was only 6 because of his Durability,not his name, so perhaps Capitano is 1 Because he is immortal, not necessarily because he is the strongest. Columbina is heavily implied to be the strongest by everyone, and even chasca said in the flower fether clan, that they are also not ranked on physical strength like the traveler and paimon thought.
Strongest lore character would go Raiden Ei>Arlecchino>Childe>The rest for the most part. I would say thease are the current top 3 Playable character and this shouldn't be a debate.
Neuvillete. Next question please :)
1- Nevullite
2-zhonglj (there is reason why we never seen him fight most of the strongest weapon made in the entire world are his doing)
3-arle(nahida word can barely be trusted she is a child no4 harbinger defeated much powerfull traveller that fought ei and traveller couldn't even move in her presence like frozen still this never happen against ei also ei literally stole our kill. No4 even said she can kill no2 harbinger if he cross the line if she can do it or not is up to assumption)
4- Ei (her best feat his killing a serpant god which was prying on defenceless human and slicing a portion of island which other archon have done it too if not better in past venti was moving mountains and zhongli was summoning mountain size spear like without lifting a finger.)
5- God complex version of wanderor
(venti is not here because currently he is much weaker)
Zhongli litterally blizted by any archon
Ei haxs and speed alone demolish Arle + Aether needed an amp that bassicly revivie him to being equal to Ei while with Arle, Traveler was stated weaken
Even do Nahida is a child she litterally has amoung best IQ feats of the Archons + Dottore litterally had to trade her some knowledge for a gnosis
@puppet_43 cap ei get bodies by arle bruh she no diff buffed traveller who can't even move in her presence. That's far beyond anything Ei did. And zhongli lore feat far surpass her.
Nahida would have gotten absolutely destroyed if she didn't threaten to destroy genosis.
Hydro traveller is atleast twice as strong as electro traveller that ei fought.
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How is a Non God lvl stronger than an Archon? the top 7 strongest gods in teyvat?
Yeah, she bassicly had to pull up strings to make that so that just means Arle has thread Manip and ei dont
Tell me 1 Zhongli speed feat (Cus they bassicly scale of the same and the only difference gonna be their speeds)
i never say she was gonna win against dottore, just that she has the knowledge to prove her claim lol
I'm glad everyone is gathered here to witness the most incomprehensible argument in the history of youtube comments
It's Moraxe's true form a dragon to?
@MassiF-z7v yes but he isn't a sovereign
@johnboy4037 know I didn't mean that
Also can you make a vid talking about the archons origins?
Like their race and stuff we know from the lore I am curious about AE the most
@MassiF-z7v I'll try, tho it may not be the most complete video ever since there's a lot of gaps in the lore regarding the origins of the gods
@johnboy4037 k
I like yr vid btw
technically speaking he's an adeptus, just that he's like adeptus PRO MAX and his adeptus form takes the shape of a dragon. like how xianyun (cloud retainer) takes the shape of a crane or xiao has a bird form. nothing to do with the likes of apep or neuvilette
yea the mc is way to crap....
it's so sad....
to see the mc bing this weak
Neuv is a reincarnation. He cannot be at full power in his human vessel. Note the prophecy from Enkanomiya stating the next hydro dragon will be reincarnated as a human. This is Neuv, not Koko.
Zhongli is not just older but predates Teyvat. Its only stated he arrived in Teyvat 6000 years ago, but nothing says how old he was when that happened. He and Neuv are the only archons whose constellation name is not the same as their story. Its clear that Zhongli has hidden power and knows a lot more than we think. The only reason he didnt tell us any more than he did was because he was bound by a contract. As stated by Keqing that the age of adeptus is over, Zhongli sided with this notion by simply stepping down from his role, but he clearly still holds the same power. Hes not an ordinary human as he says in a few of his lines.
Its more likely that zhongli was an ancient dragon In the past. In cn it says he was demoted. Zhongli probably had a constellation before PO arrived then he surrendered to PO and is now working as a archon
Zhongli glazers never fail to put a smile off my face
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@@nihalgaming3234 I wish Raiden would clap me❤️