Naur cause imagine if Nahida had Furina or Raiden E skill. It would've been so much better compared to constantly having to recast her skill when the enemies die and the next wave of enemies appear.
@@ErisNoir(not playstyle but lore related) i feel like eyes or imaginary friends would fit well with nahida's character. the eye, possibly because she's observing as someone curious would, and the friends, because she has been locked up for a while and longs for acquaintances
I'm kinda glad we don't really have crowd control for other elements, it's just so interesting to me that the element associated with the city of freedom is the one restricting your enemies!
The archons don't give the visions, Celestia does. It's both funny and annoying how people forget that. Venti literally said this to us after completing the Mondstadt story, when we talked to him and asked him questions before heading to Liyue. That's why there's this "imbalance" that you speak of.
@@raptori Wasn't it mentioned at the beginning that it's weird that the dominant element in each nation doesn't match its archon's element? My point then is that the archons don't decide, it's not up to them. Now, why does Celestia have this imbalance? We still don't know enough about it to say, I think. I personally think Celestia is using some kind of "algorithm" to determine if someone gets a vision or not and of what element, so it's like automated. But that's just my take. 🤷
@@MusicLoverInTheSky Not quite! It's not just the archon - each nation is strongly associated with one element in terms of narrative themes and world design as well, and each one is "the nation of X". Regardless of how exactly the visions are granted in the lore, it'd be natural to assume that each nation would probably have more characters matching its element than the other nations, and the fact that that's not the case is what can be a bit jarring, and what sparked the idea! And yeah I'd love to know the in-world mechanism behind it - it's one of the lore things which I'm most curious about! Wish we'd see more of all of that tbh 👀
@@MusicLoverInTheSky Or in other words, this wasn't a "the game doesn't make sense because of the imbalance", it was a "this imbalance always stuck out to me, and always makes me daydream about alternate versions of the characters, which is fun to talk about! 😁
@@raptori I honestly never thought that so this video felt completely out of nowhere to me. XD But I can see what you're saying. It would be helpful to know canonically how the visions are assigned. I'm not saying that the community's headcanon of, say, "You gotta lose a loved one to get anemo" is true, but I do think what the nation "represents" doesn't match what the element represents, perhaps. We will have to wait and see.
Always had the same thought right from day one! Cryo Venti does sound cool - would be awesome to have some decent crowd control outside of anemo characters... so many anemo characters these days do barely any cc, so it would no longer feel super out of place...
@@ch1mkenn interesting thought, they have kinda been doing stuff like that, take Ororon's burst for example. taunts aren't the most reliable crowd control but they are "suppose" to group up enemies.
I love this - it makes me shout louder that people should c6 their Bennett to know Pyro Zhongli 😎I think Cryo Furina would be amazing - gib please! That would be amazing, not that she isn't already! Super fun video that gave us a peek into how the visions are spread out in the regions. 🥰
Venti: Ayaka-ish Zhongli: 5 star Thoma Raiden: downgrade Nahida: good with her original self Furina: best cryo character in existence Mavuika: downgrade as well The Tsaritsa: Idk. Theres no duplicate elements from Snezhnaya so far
it's absolutely wild that the nation of pyro, does not have a single pyro character yet (apart from Mavuika), nor is there one we know is coming (Citlali is cryo and Iansan is electro)
4:02 I would recommend another character that might out perform Alecinno here - Hu Tao She is still the only Pyro DPS that completely ignore ICD (Internal Cooldown of doing elemental reaction) partially because she was released alot sooner than the others and devs wasn't limiting the ICD back then. Cryo Venti - Crowd Control version - would be Hu Tao biggest buffs since her slightly single target oriented but dramatically scaled if enemies is clustered together. This allow Hu Tao to consistently Melt (x2 reaction) all of her Charged attacks while not worrying about scattered enemies.
I believe there was a youtuber making videos to analyse how visions correspond to the stories of each character, so there was some main ideas like hydro being connected to characters who are disciplined or follow a strict set of rules, pyro being linked with passion, dendro for wisdom, electro for characters who express the idea of eternity/unwavering, and anemo for freedom. On a sociological level, I believe the common people of the nation would correspond with their nation’s respective element, but the exceptional people who earn visions may not necessarily follow those alignments, due to their exceptionality and willingness’s to do what others may not. So you have some characters that heavily align with their nation’s respective element like nahida, ningguang and neuvilette while other characters align with the values of another element and that element’s respective nation due to their exceptional personality and actions
I do think we need a lot more characters from each region including more males, more balance on elements and weapon types. As well as buffs for needed characters or just redesigns at this point. There’s a lot this game needs including making the nations more like the element they represent. Of course none of this is gonna happen but I do wish games with this much potential would just improve. Still love the game tho
yeah, this has always bothered me, mainly from a lore perspective. we know that no one was getting electro visions during the sukoku decree, so it seems likely that visions are tied to their specific archon, but also Raiden was unaware of this fact so she doesn't actually give them out personally, it just happens automatically somehow, but at the same time the archons CAN give them out if they want, like Neuvilette giving one to Furina (i know Neuvi isn't actually an archon but he has the authority of one). it does seem logical to me that each nation would have the most visions corresponding to their specific element but without knowing what visions are and how people actually get them there's no way to tell if that's how it works.
we sorta know how and why visions are given out now someone with a strong enough will or ambition who is recognized by either the dragon's athority or the heavenly principles utilizing the dragon's athority will get a vision. the electro dragon athority still lies with raiden. also no, the archons can't give them out because they can't fully control the athority power to the extent of a dragon, so it either happens naturally or the heavenly principles is doing it. also raiden can control if people get visions or not, she just can't give them out. its already been explained that a dragon athority holder sets aside/seperates a portion of their power to be used to be given out as a vision, its just the archons can't control who gets it. all they can do is take back the pool of power they set aside, and if there's no power set aside to make visions, visions can't happen. (its also likely that the archons set aside power unknowingly or passively, and rejecting the idea of visions may have unknowingly or passively taken back the power) as for the element people get, that had literally nothing to do with the region, but the god who's personality and backstory aligns strongest with them. all anemo lose a friend and long for freedom but bind them selves with a rule they follow on purpose. all pyro are following in a parental figure's footsteps (a passing of the torch) all cryo have strong emotions but have trouble for one reason or another expressing them and so on... you get the idea...
I think you're missing a few points: A) Monstadt is the city of freedom, B) all things are connected like for example air being a crucial fuel to fire granted not the only one and can help spread ice, C) visions are given at random based on a few factors like one's one pure dream/ wishes among other things; so basing it on quantites of element users is kinda stupid, this isn't avatar the last air bender or naruto in terms of elemental masteries. who let you cook? you're burning the kitchen down. what element is dominant in monstadt in nature? hint its not cryo.
If Zhongli became Pyro, I think he could end up being one of the weakest 5 stars in the game. His shield would be 2/3 of the current strength, he has slow pyro application, and he would maybe be the worst case of circle impact (or I guess square impact) in the game because he would be reliant on the enemies always being close to his pillar and not breaking it for him to provide anything over the other defensive pyro options. But at least he could have huge nukes by vaporizing his spicy meatballs.
and people still think cryo is worse than geo nowadays just bcs it's gotten a bit more attention lately. it clearly still is, and will remain being, the worst element by far
Nahida not being dentro would have catastrophic consequences for half of the meta of the game.
True LOL
VERY true ahahah
Naur cause imagine if Nahida had Furina or Raiden E skill. It would've been so much better compared to constantly having to recast her skill when the enemies die and the next wave of enemies appear.
@@ErisNoir(not playstyle but lore related) i feel like eyes or imaginary friends would fit well with nahida's character. the eye, possibly because she's observing as someone curious would, and the friends, because she has been locked up for a while and longs for acquaintances
welcome to my nahida-less world
Green Raiden is cracking me up for some reason. She became WhatsApp
HELP ZKZJZKAKAL
YOU WILL BE INLAID UPON THIS GROUP CHAT
nahh..SHE BECAME SPOTIFY-
I'm kinda glad we don't really have crowd control for other elements, it's just so interesting to me that the element associated with the city of freedom is the one restricting your enemies!
Nahida as a electro archon would be such a drastic change to the plot - half of trauma would leave Inazuma.
their personalities wouldn’t change, it’s just that their elements would.. instead of thunder around Inazuma, she’d put mountains instead😭
I think they’ll still rule their nation ,just different element
Would Electro Nahida's burst be the...Thunderdome? ;D
Like those electro bubbles you have to rid inazuma of 💀
Imagine you just predicted the Tsarita’s kit 😂
OOOP 👀
Commenting to come back a year from now 😂
@ Alright then, we will come back to this next year
Need to know if this is right when she’s released
I for one welcome Mr. John Lee of the Funeral Crematorium throwing flaming asteroids at enemies.
There's no green raiden, wanderer simply take the throne
time for you to retire mother
@@saurusnesswanwans wife here, he says he's not interested
@@Scaracatiscute._. Confident King, living his own best life 👑
@@saurusness
Ei: who are you?
Imagine furinas C6 would just make every enemy freezable during her burst and increase the duration
The archons don't give the visions, Celestia does. It's both funny and annoying how people forget that. Venti literally said this to us after completing the Mondstadt story, when we talked to him and asked him questions before heading to Liyue. That's why there's this "imbalance" that you speak of.
How does that explain the imbalance? 🤔
@@raptori Wasn't it mentioned at the beginning that it's weird that the dominant element in each nation doesn't match its archon's element? My point then is that the archons don't decide, it's not up to them.
Now, why does Celestia have this imbalance? We still don't know enough about it to say, I think. I personally think Celestia is using some kind of "algorithm" to determine if someone gets a vision or not and of what element, so it's like automated. But that's just my take. 🤷
@@MusicLoverInTheSky Not quite!
It's not just the archon - each nation is strongly associated with one element in terms of narrative themes and world design as well, and each one is "the nation of X". Regardless of how exactly the visions are granted in the lore, it'd be natural to assume that each nation would probably have more characters matching its element than the other nations, and the fact that that's not the case is what can be a bit jarring, and what sparked the idea!
And yeah I'd love to know the in-world mechanism behind it - it's one of the lore things which I'm most curious about! Wish we'd see more of all of that tbh 👀
@@MusicLoverInTheSky Or in other words, this wasn't a "the game doesn't make sense because of the imbalance", it was a "this imbalance always stuck out to me, and always makes me daydream about alternate versions of the characters, which is fun to talk about! 😁
@@raptori I honestly never thought that so this video felt completely out of nowhere to me. XD But I can see what you're saying. It would be helpful to know canonically how the visions are assigned.
I'm not saying that the community's headcanon of, say, "You gotta lose a loved one to get anemo" is true, but I do think what the nation "represents" doesn't match what the element represents, perhaps. We will have to wait and see.
Lol, imagine Mavuika's bike made out of stone.
HAHAH the image this paintedin my head; have you ever seen the Flintstones 😂
@@saurusness queen of the flintstones
her hair would have a stone aura and she could be a medusa type character
This is so interesting! I've never thought about the imbalance on the element´s regions :)
Always had the same thought right from day one!
Cryo Venti does sound cool - would be awesome to have some decent crowd control outside of anemo characters... so many anemo characters these days do barely any cc, so it would no longer feel super out of place...
Right it' snot even that the visions shoudl match the nation, it's how massively imbalanced the whole roster is in general!
honestly they could've done a magnetic ish character cc from electro
or a tsunami esque burst for hydro character
@@ch1mkenn interesting thought, they have kinda been doing stuff like that, take Ororon's burst for example. taunts aren't the most reliable crowd control but they are "suppose" to group up enemies.
@@ch1mkenn Yeah that would've been awesome!
Cryo venti would be so cool, he was friends with the tzarista so they basically just switched gnosis.
I love this - it makes me shout louder that people should c6 their Bennett to know Pyro Zhongli 😎I think Cryo Furina would be amazing - gib please! That would be amazing, not that she isn't already! Super fun video that gave us a peek into how the visions are spread out in the regions. 🥰
it's interesting right?? Whenever there's a character with a particulalry cool kit I'm like "imagine if they were xyz 👀"
What a fun idea!! Love these AU archons 😂
Thank you! 💜I like playing the "what if this chaarcter was a different element" game haha
Venti would be Pyro if for early versions,so,the idea is interesting but will not age so well (we got Mika as 5th far too late if compared)
The theorising is for fun though - if it does change then that just means we've got more alternate universe archons to talk about 😁
I know,that doesn't mean I cannot criticize the idea,it's all imaginary yk
Ok but the color swapped Nahida in the thumbnail is still just as cute as dendro Nahida
Venti: Ayaka-ish
Zhongli: 5 star Thoma
Raiden: downgrade
Nahida: good with her original self
Furina: best cryo character in existence
Mavuika: downgrade as well
The Tsaritsa: Idk. Theres no duplicate elements from Snezhnaya so far
it's absolutely wild that the nation of pyro, does not have a single pyro character yet (apart from Mavuika), nor is there one we know is coming (Citlali is cryo and Iansan is electro)
It irks me that you listed Neuv as a hydro vision holder. It didn't change the results, but since you emphasize the visions specifically, it irks me.
Bruh I didn't even notice 😬
Although.... technically speaking while Neuvi doesn't have a vision, Furina does! And therefore technically Furina isn't an archon 🙈
4:02 I would recommend another character that might out perform Alecinno here - Hu Tao
She is still the only Pyro DPS that completely ignore ICD (Internal Cooldown of doing elemental reaction) partially because she was released alot sooner than the others and devs wasn't limiting the ICD back then.
Cryo Venti - Crowd Control version - would be Hu Tao biggest buffs since her slightly single target oriented but dramatically scaled if enemies is clustered together.
This allow Hu Tao to consistently Melt (x2 reaction) all of her Charged attacks while not worrying about scattered enemies.
I believe there was a youtuber making videos to analyse how visions correspond to the stories of each character, so there was some main ideas like hydro being connected to characters who are disciplined or follow a strict set of rules, pyro being linked with passion, dendro for wisdom, electro for characters who express the idea of eternity/unwavering, and anemo for freedom. On a sociological level, I believe the common people of the nation would correspond with their nation’s respective element, but the exceptional people who earn visions may not necessarily follow those alignments, due to their exceptionality and willingness’s to do what others may not. So you have some characters that heavily align with their nation’s respective element like nahida, ningguang and neuvilette while other characters align with the values of another element and that element’s respective nation due to their exceptional personality and actions
I imagine nahida pyro she would be an atomic bomb
I do think we need a lot more characters from each region including more males, more balance on elements and weapon types. As well as buffs for needed characters or just redesigns at this point. There’s a lot this game needs including making the nations more like the element they represent. Of course none of this is gonna happen but I do wish games with this much potential would just improve. Still love the game tho
yeah, this has always bothered me, mainly from a lore perspective. we know that no one was getting electro visions during the sukoku decree, so it seems likely that visions are tied to their specific archon, but also Raiden was unaware of this fact so she doesn't actually give them out personally, it just happens automatically somehow, but at the same time the archons CAN give them out if they want, like Neuvilette giving one to Furina (i know Neuvi isn't actually an archon but he has the authority of one). it does seem logical to me that each nation would have the most visions corresponding to their specific element but without knowing what visions are and how people actually get them there's no way to tell if that's how it works.
Basically
we sorta know how and why visions are given out now
someone with a strong enough will or ambition who is recognized by either the dragon's athority or the heavenly principles utilizing the dragon's athority will get a vision. the electro dragon athority still lies with raiden.
also no, the archons can't give them out because they can't fully control the athority power to the extent of a dragon, so it either happens naturally or the heavenly principles is doing it.
also raiden can control if people get visions or not, she just can't give them out. its already been explained that a dragon athority holder sets aside/seperates a portion of their power to be used to be given out as a vision, its just the archons can't control who gets it. all they can do is take back the pool of power they set aside, and if there's no power set aside to make visions, visions can't happen. (its also likely that the archons set aside power unknowingly or passively, and rejecting the idea of visions may have unknowingly or passively taken back the power)
as for the element people get, that had literally nothing to do with the region, but the god who's personality and backstory aligns strongest with them.
all anemo lose a friend and long for freedom but bind them selves with a rule they follow on purpose.
all pyro are following in a parental figure's footsteps (a passing of the torch)
all cryo have strong emotions but have trouble for one reason or another expressing them
and so on... you get the idea...
When are we going to get a hydro claymore character. It's been 5yrs
I think you're missing a few points: A) Monstadt is the city of freedom, B) all things are connected like for example air being a crucial fuel to fire granted not the only one and can help spread ice, C) visions are given at random based on a few factors like one's one pure dream/ wishes among other things; so basing it on quantites of element users is kinda stupid, this isn't avatar the last air bender or naruto in terms of elemental masteries. who let you cook? you're burning the kitchen down. what element is dominant in monstadt in nature? hint its not cryo.
That's why i confused why own nation don't have any same element with archon and Natlan so far no pyro beside archon only
If Zhongli became Pyro, I think he could end up being one of the weakest 5 stars in the game. His shield would be 2/3 of the current strength, he has slow pyro application, and he would maybe be the worst case of circle impact (or I guess square impact) in the game because he would be reliant on the enemies always being close to his pillar and not breaking it for him to provide anything over the other defensive pyro options.
But at least he could have huge nukes by vaporizing his spicy meatballs.
Feels like cryo venti would just uave ganyus kit
People held onto to this idea? After literally no nation bothered to have their vision distribution lineup with their archon?
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@@raptori I mean, that's because the element itself got introduced. It kinda had to be that way since we've had like 2 years of the other 6.
and people still think cryo is worse than geo nowadays just bcs it's gotten a bit more attention lately. it clearly still is, and will remain being, the worst element by far
technically mondstadt has 5 pyro character if we include Thoma
Doesn't Thoma have an Inazuman vision though? 👀 Good point that he's another special case!
@@raptori yess thoma's vision is inazuman heh
Hes Inazuman
@@Sacration No, he's a Mondstadter. But he got his vision in Inazuma, so it has the Inazuman design.
I can't stand Zhongli. I try to play Hu Tao. My Zhongli deals more damage.
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