The way I burst out laughing when Dain said the sinner is his brother. "dO yOU beLieVe yoUr siBLinG to haVe bEtrAYed yoU?" Projecting a bit huh. Also, I now think Paimon has a sibling purely because hoyo loves handing out those apparently. But also, I have always wondered about the ominous symbolism of inteyvat flowers to our beloved khaenriahn characters. Its just so tragic that the flower is basically doomed the moment it leaves its homeland.
May I ask, how? I just really don't see it. He looks like his daddy (minus wrinkles and a. Bit longer hair). And he has an earring, but it is not like Kaeya's. Eyes, skin colour, hair, jaw shape, clothes, body language... None of them matches... Having the earring is a bit odd, but Aether has one, too... To me, Kaeya looks like Pierro. And it seems he has black hair, too (one strand left the rest is grey)... Being a spy is also a Fatui thing, so... Anyways, for me, his eyes prove we should not read much into his looks. He has pureblood eyes and he is pureblood not...
@@ashy969 It's not like a 1:1 likeness, it's more like some tiny details that somehow resembles Kaeya, like the earring and the dark blue hair and the overall feel to it. It's like when people comment on grandchildren looking like their grandparents when they were young. It's not like they look exactly alike, but there's some resemblance.
@@legendaryeiyuu I don't see it, but okay. At least I get the analogy :D But... regarsless how he looks, they are sure as hell related somehow... Maube some time travel is needed for it to work, but... as we know that's not an issue in Genshin
@@ashy969 yeah understandable. I'm guessing the designers probably want to show the Alberich clan has a certain aesthetic, like a penchant for dangling earring and having different variations of blue and white on their design. And yeah, I'm honestly curious how far down Kaeya is on the family tree in relation to Clothar.
I've always thought the whole 'travelling the stars with my sibling' deal was extremely sus and it's wierd that we've never gone into detail about it or been pressed on it by another npc. My crackpot theory has been that the siblings are sort of 'dreamwalkers' and have the ability to interact with constellations and they contain pocket worlds that are centered around that constellation's 'fate'.
@@Faron93 Theres also Honkai Impact part 2, Dreamweaver/Entropy is the MC and they travels to many bubble worlds, this is going on in tandem with Genshin.
Ayato being the prying guy that he is asks the Traveler about his travels _before_ arriving to Teyvat in a voiceline. Conveniently, there's no way to know if the Traveler answered anything.
Highly doubt that any of the Sinners will be playable. There are direct connections between the Sinners and the Pygmy Lords of Dark Souls games, as well as the Fingers of the God Hand in Berserk. Pretty sure the Sinners are going to turn out to be the genuine antagonists of the whole story and our Traveler will need to kill them.
@DrakeWurrum Yeah, I don't actually expect them all to be playable. I think in true anime fashion sinners will be our new set of mysterious threatening enemies after we deal with the Fatui. And maybe like with Fatui one or two of them will be playable.
@@SparklilyCordiale "after we deal with the Fatui" - many people believe Tsaritsa will convince us to join her against the Heavenly Principles though. But yeah, the sinners might be the antagonists after that anyway.
@FranciscoJG True, it may be, but I meant in screenwriting sense. Now we have a clear path we are following: meeting one harbinger after another. But we'll probably meet all of them in Natlan and Snezhnaya, and after that screenwriters can neatly fit in a new set of enemies we can look forward to. Abyss order and Celestia don't really work for that purpose because they are endgame, or at least currently have a strong endgame position.
two thoughts I had after finishing the quest: 1. caribert only appeared in people's memories at sunset. and you know what a popular drink among khaenrians like dain and kaeya is? death after noon. also in the road not taken mv, aether wakes up at sunset while lumine wakes up at sunrise. i'm not entirely sure if this is all connected but my guess is that this could maybe allude to teyvat being trapped/suspended in its "sunset" era right before it descends into night/death. 2. i kinda reached the same conclusion about the traveler being the only one able to weave the threads of fate that you did, but from a different perspective. when the sibling said they couldn't utilize the loom of fate to its full potential yet, i thought that might be because they don't have all the tools necessary yet, and the fatui might in fact hold the other piece of the puzzle. the abyss order and the fatui basically have the same goal, to destroy the "old world" and build a new world not under the control of celestia and the heavenly principles. i think the fatui have the means to destroy the old world by destroying irminsul. we saw from arlecchino's sq that her blood has the power to erase memories that dottore has been experimenting with, and we also saw that scene of dottore burning down irminsul in the winter night lazzo teaser. meanwhile the abyss order have the ability to create the new world with the loom of fate, because it can create new leylines but not destroy or alter existing ones. so i think what will ultimately happen is that the abyss order and fatui will either team up or fight each other for the other faction's piece of the puzzle. but i also think the traveler is the final key to making this plan work, the final piece of the puzzle, because as you said they are a descender with a will to rival a world, but they are also a "witness" to everything that has happened in teyvat. so i believe when the old world/irminsul is destroyed, the new world will be created based on the traveler's memories of teyvat, and they will be the one using the loom of fate to reweave the threads of teyvat's fate.
OMFG. YOU'RE COOKING WITH THIS THEORY. It's kinda of like a civil war happening with the both of the factions due to the fact they have each other's final pieces, while traveler (us) was the key all along👀👀
I love this theory, it's the most comprehensive and coherent one I've had the chance to read yet ! This theory in regards to descenders being the final key to use the loom of fate/weave new ley lines also explains why Khaenriah was actively looking for descenders if their goal was already to rebuild the world prior to their destruction. Heck, it even gives the Heavenly Principles a serious motive for destroying Khaenriah: the threat of an overthrow was too significant to ignore.
Something notable from the 5.1 archon quest: those moon fragments, which remain visible after the hole in the sky closes, are doing something pretty suspicious... they aren't moving. They should be orbiting Teyvat and also following the "stars" as the planet rotates. But they just sit there. This alone really makes me think the world is frozen in time, and running some sort of artificial time--explaining why it's easily manipulated using the right tools, and behaves inconsistently in places like the Abyss that are far from the original gods' territory.
Elaborate this From the "Thread of fate" part This idea already exist on Remuria, which king Remus creating of Fortuna/ ( Grand Symphony ) he already succeeded in creation of Grand Symphony but lack its final components 'pencil' to write it down the last music.. because that pencil is "Will" he didn't know how to complete it because Remus don't have a will to operate the Grand Symphony.. and now we have our own siblings with "Loom of fate" Same cases.. our siblings didn't how to operate it full potential because he/she didn't has the "Will" to fully used it's potential..
At first I had a section on this but i felt it was too long and complicated but yes you def summarized it better than i did originally lmao. spot on A++
@@roozeveltfox yeah this idea is a little to crazy.. first time I learn this then I connect The dote to King Remus Grand Symphony and wow it's just the same thing... Eh I wonder if Vedrofolnir also there when Phobos/ Saybblia betray remus heh...
The thing about the Loom of Fate being separate from Irminsul is also explained in how it is said that it can only create new ley lines, it cannot alter or extend those that already exist. This detail has to matter at some point.
It means, imho, that it's not meant to wrestle against Irminsul for control, but replace it. Either in the locations that have been abandoned by it (cause nails), as a backup if that happens again, or as a way to 'pack up and go elsewhere'.
Every day I pray that they won’t fuvk up kaeya’s ark by brushing off all his lore potential in the endgame imo his final decision is the ultimate choice that also traveller will have to face I think
I don't think they will brush it off. hoyo can be slow about a lot of things and perhaps theyve glossed over some things (...Inazuma things come to mind) but kaeya is one of the OGs and muuuust be a part of the bigger picture
I really hope so, too And I remembered something from HI3rd now... I didn't play HI3rd entirely, just jumped in on the new chapters at the end of KiaMeiBronya story, but sometime in the main quests, the trio suddenly remembered a little detail from the very start of the game... The unmanned battleship "Selene" and some cryptic riddle left for Kiana as a hint, that, as far as I'm aware, wasn't brought up anywhere else in the game('s main story, at least). "Selene" was explored and given more screen time in the manga, but I haven't read them and didn't know all the details besides that which were given in-game, and then suddenly, Hoyo brought up "Selene" and that hint in the end of Kiana's story. AND EXPLAINED IT!! Now I just hope that smth similar happens in Genshin, too
This whole 4.7 situation reminds of Black Swan. How she told us the truth of the dream via a 'bedtime story', how she created a light cone of our memory. Imagine if the photo at the end is a light cone.
The Loom of Fate never affected Traveler's memory. They were in a realm of consciousness after the person who owned it died, THAT is completely different.
I wonder if the venti’s voice line about meeting the traveller before and them not remembering is important in this context ( especially with venti’s connection with istaroth)
That has been debunked so many times though. That voiceline is referring to when we stumbled upon him and Dvalin and scared both away and then he mysteriously helped us during our first fight with Dvalin. He kept us in the air. There's no deeper meaning. He had already met us but we didn't know who he was.
@@Orion_TheyThem That's not true? LOL?? ''Allow me to join you on your journey again" Back when time loops were just a theory, that's what a small percentage of people have concluded to. Now that we know about the second timeline where Istaroth helped Makoto, (read your in game books) that there is another timeline.
@@Orion_TheyThem Also, just pointing something obvious out. The first time Venti mentions he was interruped while trying to communicate with Dvalin and Traveler remembers that they were the ones who interrupted him and they are apologetic. The second time they apologize for absorbing the anemo power without asking.
I think one important detail many of us are forgetting in this quest is that memories have nothing to do with fate. Traveler says that any change in memory must be imperfect, and it contradicts with the physical world, just like what happened to the villagers of Vimara village. But what Makoto, Rukkhadevata,Focalors and to some extent, Wanderer did was in fact changing the fate. 1. Makoto didn't simply alter the memories, she changed the fate by planting seeds that couldn't and shouldn't been able to be planted under normal circumstances. Istaroth helped her in this. 2. Rukkadevata changed the fate by managing to preserve a branch of Irminsul from the cataclysm which later became Kusanali. 3. Focalors changed the fate of all the Fontainians, but notice how the Prophecy still happened, which was the memory of one of the Sinners who wrote it on the tablets. 4. Wanderer changed his own fate, by forgetting his past and being able to weave a new future for himself. We need to rethink and even discard the idea that "Irminsul changes memories". It doesn't, because otherwise the changes would have been imperfect at best and destructive at worst. What it does however is that it re-records the events that happened whenever someone changes fate. Alterations in memories are just by-products of someone changing the fate. Also remember Caribert mentioned that changing memories is what the worst version of Loom Of Fate can do, its best version should be able to create new leylines which have nothing to do with memory manipulation. in fact he goes on to say that memories have no role in the final version of Loom Of Fate. There are certain people however who are not susceptible to the changes made in fate by someone else. Hexenzirkel, The Sinners and the Traveler are the only examples I can think of right now. However even amongst them nobody has the power to weave new fate from scratch except for obviously us, the traveler. This also makes me think that Verdonfolnir(and other Sinners) are just great fortune tellers and some people/groups like Hexenzirkel are able to decipher what they foretell, and can even help the capable people to change the fate. Hence Nicole kept on nudging Traveler in the right direction in the Sumeru and Fontaine AQ. Very long comment but thanks for reading to anyone who made this far lol.
Agree, and thank you for summarizing all this I'd like to make one addition/propose a change : Focalors' actions, at least, may not have defied fate....only our understanding of it (and maybe the same applies to other cases??). And we have long misunderstood fate. There are 2 reasons I believe this : 1. Fontaine AQ : We talk to Mage N of the Hexenzircle. She says we cannot stop the prophecy from coming to pass, but there are always loopholes to be found. We did not prevent the exact images on the stone slates from coming to pass.......but we did prevent what _we feared_ the images might mean. 2. Remuria quest : A strikingly similar prophecy was handed to Remus. The kingdom would fall, and was doomed to drown. This did happen. Remus could not, with all his maneuvers prevent it. But he _did_ make his citizens undissolvable (insoluble?) Both nations in the same area ~(implying shared ley lines?)~ had similar fates that came to pass despite all attempts to circumvent it - there is also the shared attempt at leveraging dragon-kin. Where the vishap prince Scylla was prevented from actually bein able to help, Neuvilette (hydro dragon himself) _did_ successfully save people. These lead me to believe that although fate/fortuna is absolute and unchangeable, it _is_ limited in its scope : it defines certain things, but the blank spaces with little to no definition can be changed, thus changing what an outcome might mean. What happens in between two predestined events, seems changeable. (Of course not considering a Descender's power. Also......so many time a rebellion against Celestia has been carried out by 'uniting' people in a collective consciousness/soul/harmony etc. Makes me wonder if this, too, isn't fate. And if that's why Tsaritsa is collecting gnoses.)
Wait, why those 2 groups could escape the irminsul alterations? Unless you meant they have artificial means to do so (unlike descenders like the Traveler who do it naturally), since the writer from Hexenzirkel is relevant precisely because allegories bypass those alterations.
I don't agree but... (and take my opinions with a grain of salt because I never feel like I actually know what's going on (lmao)). Basically: imho the biggest theme of genshin is that fate is unchangeable... but thus the entire point of the loom of fate (and the traveler, eventually.) rukkhadevata and wanderer altered memories, and the "changed past" was filled in with other memories. the "past" fate did not change. focalors worked around the prophecy, so she did not change "future" fate. as Nicole said, the prophecy HAD to happen, but focalors worked inbetween the lines. even makoto w/ istaroth didn't technically "change" fate or the past themselves, istaroth simply created a "new" ley line (which didnt "change the past" but altered the past, present and future as we know it.) these are all super interesting and good insights though - I just think that as nicole said, changing fate is hard af, and that's the theme imho! just my thoughts though. ty for the food for thought!
@@worm2976 well, N says basically the same. That fate cannot be changed but we can change the steps - our actions - as fate unfolds. Don't remember her exact words but... It seems to be true... I mean, I am sure we will crack the system somehow, but it seems, for now, even our Abyss-brainwashed sibling is clueless...
This is a bit off-topic, but we saw the Golden Power during Clorinde's SQ too, which allowed the Traveler and their friends to calm upon long deceased warriors. And this power was only able to be used thanks to the weapons they picked up; which were imbued not only with magic to slay monsters, but the Wills of their wielders. This, to me, seems like a small acknowledgement towards the fact that anyone, or at the very least all Allogenes can use Descender powers if they have enough Will, even if it lacks compared to a fully-fledged Descender. Also, “The Sword of Reason, capable of cutting through any Will and Reality, can be anything”, and remember that René had to "die" before completing his journey, so that he could avoid getting a Vision, which are tools that control those with Wills strong enough that reach the Heavens... Seems like Visions are tools to stop Teyvatians from becoming Descenders, and Allogenes are lured into a false sense of power and freedom by the promise of ascending into Celestia and becoming gods.
It itches me a lot that someone buried Chlothar with his lover and Caribert's scarf. Was it the abyss sibling? but, if Caribert died why not burying him with his family, WHERE IS HIS BODY? and it was never explained how did Chlothar break free of the curse of inmortality. Too many questions again.
I kinda assumed that when caribert took of his mask he went POOF and later the abyss sibling buried chlothar with his long-dead wife. but that also implies that the sibling buried chlothar & knows how he broke the curse.... argh!!!
My theory about the sea of flowers at the end was the factor that stripped abyss sibling's status as a descender and recorded her memories in the eirmensil
So now I think Kaeya was created by the abyss sibling using the loom in the likeness of Caribert. To give him the life he never had. Maybe Reindottir popped in to give them tips on not creating an abyssal beast?
i left this comment on a few videos after the bedtime story quest came out cause i wanna see what others think.... I wonder if…… aether and lumine’s original home world…… is teyvat? but they just don’t recognize it? their home world was destroyed, but lumine “belongs to THIS world”, and we know the primordial one came and basically destroyed the original teyvat and rewrote it… the twins also wanted to find a place where the flower from their now-destroyed home world grows, and at the end of lumine’s journey through the rewritten teyvat, she found the place, on this “new” world. there are the theories that the new teyvat is a dream, and the “forbidden knowledge” that its denizens cannot understand is that the real teyvat is actually destroyed and they’re now living in a fake dream world. when apep ate deshret and absorbed his knowledge, all she could see was death and destruction and wasteland, as if she was peering outside of the dream and seeing the “truth of the world”, but it was so jarring that she cannot understand and it just causes her pain. the truth breaks down the dream, which causes all the adverse effects we’ve seen in game (withering, eleazar, etc). if i remember correctly, lumine also refused to link up with aether because he has not yet reached the end of his journey and learned the truth that she learned at the end of hers. maybe she hates the heavenly principles and she is determined to fight this war by any means necessary, because at the end of her journey when she found the sea of inteyvats, she realized that this is actually her original home world, but the heavenly principles destroyed it and trapped everyone in a dream/samsara to cover up the truth, and to have control over everyone. so now lumine is determined to fight for her homeland, and is waiting for aether to finish his journey, learn the truth, and understand why she has “taken it this far”, in the hopes that he will see where she’s coming from and join her. I COULD ALSO just be COMPLETELY wrong and missing a bunch of details, but that’s the theory that popped into my head when she mentioned the sea of flowers!!!!!
So has caribert been watching everyone for close to 500 years? There’s no way he didn’t also contact keaya right? Keaya has a suspicious amount of knowledge about khaenri’ah, could caribert be one of his sources?
I think the abyss twin is following in the footsteps of Deshret, Narzissenkreuz, and Remus. Deshret and Narzissenkreuz both tried to create a collective consciousness and Remus moved everyone's consciousness into stone bodies and tried to weave music to defy fate, but for various reasons they all failed. I think the underlying reason is fairly obvious; none of them were descenders so didn't have the will to successfully go against the status quo like that. But in all cases they separated the mind/will from the body in order to circumvent a disaster, or, more plainly, defy fate. So I think the abyss twin is trying to create a similar outcome because they've realised they can't prevent the awakening of the heavenly principles from purely within the current system, so the leylines, irminsul, etc. So they've decided to try to brute force the problem whatever the personal cost. Caribert says the loom of fate can't replace or extend current leylines but it can create new ones. So the abyss twin is going to use the loom of fate to weave an entirely new system of leylines and probably create a new irminsul equivalent, which will be free of the authority of the heavenly principles. The abyss twin is going to try to separate everyone from their bodies like the previous cases and gather their consciousness in the new system so that when the world is destroyed the new system can re-constitute it and bring everyone back but without the old system. I think if the heavenly principles awaken it means the end of everything so the abyss twin is trying to back everything up before that happens. I've speculated for a while that Celestia is actually home to a genshin equivalent of a god-computer rather than anything remotely human, so I have unfortunate suspicions about what the awakening of the programme would mean for the inhabitants of Teyvat. I've questioned why the abyss twin has chosen not to travel with our twin, and I think it's because they aren't a descender and don't have a strong enough will to fully power the loom of fate. We're essentially the ace up our sibling's sleeve. As much as I rag on the game's "power of friendship" nonsense, I think it's lore relevant. To properly activate the loom of fate, I think every fibre of our twin's will needs to believe in the goodness of Teyvat and that it's ultimately worth saving. So they have to travel around the world and see its value for themselves. They have to become a part of the world in their own right. Only through doing that will they gain the will to successfully power the loom of fate.
Hot damn, your comment triggered a thought that just blew my mind. So we know that Genshin features heavy religious themes and symbology, primarily revolving around Gnosticism, Christianity, Bhuddism, Kabbalism and Norse mythos (I have personally identified as Gnostic for 12+ years so I'm nerdy and not normal about all this) With that in mind, I've always pictured or head-canoned the traveler to be a sort of Jesus/Lucifer/Morning Star character. They're a catalyst and an inspiration, bringing peace and healing wherever they go. All the boxes are checked. It seems pretty clear that was the archetypal intention. But something you were saying about the abyss twin gave me a pause. You were describing what their fake leyline system would look like, and speculating that consicousnesses could be collected to a hive, etc. But if you look into a lot of modern speculation about what the anti-christ might manifest as, don't you think the abyss twin.... kinda fits the bill perfectly? People hypothesize stuff surrounding the anti-christ with talk about an AI based one-world system, uploading virtual consicousnesses, replacing the astral or spiritual realm with a technological one, etc etc etc etc etc. If your predictions are truly the route the story takes, then that's what their archetypes are meant to portray, right? The Christ and the anti-Christ??
listen, aside from the "power of friendship" haterade (disclosure: im biased because i love that sht, even if it's silly) - this is ding ding ding spot on
Something that i learn is that fate is not an enemy is a party of existances itself, like time , Gravity, emotion or death, only when You learn and accept that You can control your own fate
Looking forward to your future Kaeya/Alberich clan-related videos Just saw and commented regarding your post on the bird app (now X lol) about Afrasiab, and now I'm sinking deeper and deeper into more interesting theories because it seems Kaeya is a descendant not from the Eclipse Dynasty, but from the Crimson Moon Dynasty. Khaenri'ah has been waiting and looking for salvation since the beginning, and it was the original dynasty it seems. Now, as the "last hope" of Khaenri'ah, I got my head buried under various Persian myths and legends wherein Mihoyo could possibly got their inspiration from, and as they intentionally made Kaeya wear a Persianic or mid-Asia inspired "costume", I think the Khaenri'ah we know, believe, and cooking as canon inside our head is not that simple. Anyways, let me remind everyone that no other character in-game has been constantly associated/alluded their character to a prince (besides the traveler) by the game like Kaeya does 😁 Oh, and let me boldly drop here my assumption that Kaeya's mission is to pick up the light (the Traveler) to save his nation that is currently shrouded in darkness. I bet everyone's been reminded about last year's summer event wherein he played as the dagger-thief lmao
Oh, to add to our usual Kaeya brainrot: I suggest you all read about "Kayanian Kings/Dynasty" from wiki It mentions how their ancestry naturally possesses khvarenah, called mantic seers or "poet-priests", their natural gift of prophecy is hereditary, and are princely rulers, etc 😁
So in my mind it's like this - 1. Khaenriah summoned both siblings, who got encountered by the Heavenly Principles and were robbed off their powers and subjected to deep slumber. 2. The sibling woke up before traveler did and they've traveled the world once, giving them the tag of "belongs to teyvat". Traveler on the other hand is experiencing everything for the first time and building their perceptions of this world independently and thus traveler is descender. 3. The sibling on their journey meets Abyss (specifically vedrfolnir) and gets corrupted and instigated to wage a war against the heavenly principles. 4. The loom of fate cannot be used by sibling cuz they lack "will", they're not a descender. The traveler is the one who has to use the loom of fate. 5. Whether the traveller uses it against the heavenly principles or the abyss is something we'll decide based on our experience, perceptions and impressions of the current world. Feel free to drop your thoughts, I'm just speculating like everyone. Edit - in point 2, sibling is tagged as "belongs to teyvat" cuz while their travel journey, one "samsara cycle" of sorts is completed and thus the irminsul registers them, which is why Nahida tells us so in 3.x archon quest chain. Yep, irminsul is a perpetual samsara machine. I added this cuz I want the people to know that irminsul is a "will extraction machine" and visions are essentially "trackers" sent down by heavenly principles.. I'm going bonkers so imma stop
I wish we had a clearer timeline of the siblings arrival in Teyvat. Did they fight the unknown god the moment they were summoned or after the cataclysm? 🤔
@@Allenby2 I think the whole chronology about the Twins entering Teyvat goes like this. 1. Twins entered Teyvat and landed on Khaenriah and the Traveler slept while the Abyss Twin was regarded as royalty. 2. Sometime the Traveler finally woke up and explored Khaenriah along with the other sibling (hence why they know about the Eclipse dynasty (eclipse tribe). 3. Cataclysm happens, the two tries to leave and got jumped by the Sustainer. (Hence why when Arlecchino showed the Traveler the Crimson Moon they remembered about it.) 4. The two got captured and The Abyss Twin got sent back to Khaenriah while it's still being destroyed while the Traveler got sent straight to the Future in Mondstadt. My theory is that since it involves time, the Abyss Twin got tampered by the Sustainer and thus lost their Descender status while the Traveler got saved by Istaroth and thus avoided Tampering and was then sent to the future in Mondstadt.
In line with my 'Iterative Teyvat' crack-canon, I am wagering on the Siblings originating from a past iteration of Teyvat, or Teyvat sharing elements with the realm of its origins, from which the Twins would have been dispatched.
A friend of mine had an interesting thought: The Pale Princess and the Six Pygmies: 1. Blind Pygmy: "The Visionary" 2. Foolish Pygmy: "The Wise" 3. Shrunken Pygmy: "The Foul" 4. Timid Pygmy: "Rächer of Solnari"? 5. Carefree Pygmy: "Gold"? 6. Deformed Pygmy: "The Twilight Sword" Might be cool to revisit that book when you make the dedicated vid on the sinners? ALSO!! Regardless of who’s Kaeya’s direct descendant, how is he not a hilichurl? Caribert died almost immediately after regaining his sentience so how is Kaeya here?? Either pure Khaenri’ahns despite the curse can still procreate, there’s another way to cure the hilichurl curse OR Kaeya is a super special Khaenri’ahn who can save the world and fight celestia with one hand (Kaeya Impact let’s goooo!!!) Idk just my thoughts, nothing like a Dain quest to leave us with more questions. Great theory as always, can’t wait for the upcoming vids!!
Actually, so the reason why half bloods transform into monsters is becs their ancestors betrayed the gods, but kayea fathe could be a person who hasn't betrayed them(as seeing that khanerians don't transform) and then his mom could simply be an another person who never betrayed the gods, that's why he isn't a hilichurl.....or he just broked the curse, I mean Alberich whatever his name was, he broked the curse and died, so maybe he broked the curse of every other Alberich and Kaya is just an descender of them Yes ik that I wrote names and things wrong
unfortunately this is still technically forbidden knowledge so i probs won't talk about this (fwiw it's mostly because anything that isn't officially in game is STC)
I think Kaeya's eyes being a little different could connect back to something on the other side of the family, which we've assumed for a long time is Sumeru because of the dark skin, but we also know that some people from Natlan have dark skin, so it's very possible we could get Kaeya mom lore drops in Natlan. I'd keep an eye out for anyone with eyes that are a bit unusual - maybe Kaeya has small diamonds because they're a mix between the large diamonds of the other Khanerians and some other unusual feature from some tribe from Natlan. That could be part of why Genshin has been so reluctant to let us see anyone from Natlan.
18:23 - I had a different take on this, which actually adds to the "What the HECK is up with Kaeya" lore From what I could find, it's not clear to me on how quickly the transformation (into hilichurls) is - whether it's instantaneous or happens over time (and even then - days? Weeks? Years?). But what happened to Caribert is almost certainly what happened to his mother. It may be possible that he was too young to remember what she would've looked like, and thus based his appearance entirely off his father. BUT. He would still only be a half-blooded Khaenri'an, who are speculated to have the colored-in pupils, and theoretically the real Caribert would have them. If so, who knows what that means for Kaeya - human, but also able to age normally?
About Inteyvat: It should turn to dust once returned to homeland, right? So if we are from Khaenri'ah and we returned (evidently) why is it still in Lumine's hair? And it was in her hair at the character choosing screen... Also, we are blond, and khaenri'ahns are told to be blonde (mostly) but then... Do we have the eyes of those people? Not even remotely... 7:28 About the wing description: This quote sounds like a description of a mother to me. "Who had treated the to of you ever so gently" In fact, it talks about someone who gave a cloth of protection at the beginning of your journey. And the german name of this glider is wings of birth while the Chinese wording can also be used as reference to the birth of Christ (or so I've read). So... When in the travail video Dain says "Defeat me, command me to step aside, show me that you are worthier than I to rescue HER. Then, the threads of all fate will be yours to re-weave." Are we sure he refers to Lumine? We asume that because we are convinced Aether is the canon Traveler, but Hoyo keeps saying it doesn't matter which twin we choose - and why would they give a chance to choose if it does matter? We don't use that character as main for more than 5 minutes and as this is a gacha game, they didn't think we would either. They could refer to our twin as "your sibling" to make it gender neutral, as they usually do. I argue that this her refers to someone else, maybe our mother... Now, why would we need to fight Dain over the right to save our mother (or sibling, whatever...)? To prove we are worther than him... Shouldn't that be a default? Could he refer to be strong willed enough? Strong enough? Didn't we prove that day after day until now? Maybe he was the lover of this her... And worthier than him to save this person... Does that mean he can use the loom of fate, too? Is he also a descender? Did we get any indication of him being recorded in Iminsul? No... Did we get clues he might not be? Well... He was supposed to travel with our sibling but the aranaras don't seem to remember the other blonde nara having a travel companion. But we know he did have one and that it was Dain. We also know - although we did not see - that he has some different power than the folks of this world... But how could he be a descender and how is he not recorded in Irminsul if he is from Khaenri'ah? Are we even sure that people from there - earlier than the cataclysm - are indeed recorded? Greater lord is, the history of this world seem to... But are the people of previous kingdoms recorded or we are just told they are? Maybe more is fake than just the sky... Maybe this is a test field to see if the chosen ones have what it takes. To go back in time and save the real Khaenri'ah. And once the descenders fail, the world gets destroyed - or reset - so a new test cycle can be started. We are the 4th descender and this seems to be the 4th iteration. About Keaya: Yup, Caribert had an earing and so does Kaeya. I can see that. And his daddy didn't have one. But Caribert doesn't look like Kaeya at all! He however does look like the spitting image of his father - minus the wrinkles and earing. And his hair is a little bit longer, but not like Kaeya's. And their earings are different...
I remember talking to someone waaaay back when Enkanomiya dropped, who also believed the "her" Dain is talking about in the Travails is actually the twins mother. I remember that person's theory was based on the Parable of the Tree (one of the stories in the Before Sun and Moon book), and their theory then was that Dain was the Bough Keeper in the parable, and who fell in love with the Irminsul avatar portrayed in the story, and that both were the twins' parents - I thought it was a major crack theory even then, albeit an entertaining one, but seeing the description of the wings makes me kinda reconsider some of that theory lol (as in "maybe the twins HAVE other family out there). Tbh I'd not be mad if that's the case and done well in the future, since "family" is already the twins whole deal, even though I am more to believe the figure they forgot about is either a mentor, or the one who created them outside Teyvat, as artificial beings not unlike Albedo.
@@CelticBotansDigitalArt Yes, maybe it is someone else... A mentor, creator... I just think, that person will be someone else than Lumine. and a mother was the first to come to mind from that description...But I mean... What do we really know of this game? Dain comes, talks and the whole world is upside down again 😅
What if the traveler is the successful case of creating a descender but people at khaenriah mistook the sibling for the traveler and at the end of their joirney the sibling realized the truth and that all the memories are just fake
something that was already pointed out years ago 「你的故国已经覆灭,宫城万顷也化作尘沙。你是本 应该拥有世界,拥抱天地之人。**但亡国的末裔啊,请 不要悲叹这些逝去的时刻……**」 -KK There a line about implication of Lumine being last of fallen nation.
If Arle is a descendant of Khaenriah and has special eyes, it's somewhat safe to assume that other descenders might have special eyes as well. Maybe it's something in their genes/blood that creates those special eyes when they're mixed with other nationalities. As for Loom, this quest made me even more sure that the Loom is an alternative to the White Cedar. Abyss' own version of Fate.
pls it would be very cool if they were characters from a story written before the hexenzirkel existed (maybe a story about an active universe or just them book-hopping between different books someone wrote) bc then their escape into the world would then be mirrored by the new event and since they are not 'of this world (reality)' they didn't have constellations until they made their own in the system. Then the nice person they forgot could be their author and their purpose in travelling would be to find their author and/or where the author lived with the flowers they liked written into the story to decorate their home world. It would also be fun since all of hoyo's games that i can think of are sci-fi not fantasy save for genshin, and genshin literally being a fantasy game about a fantasy book would be verry interesting to me and almost humorous. It could also tie into different pasts colliding (different book pasts carried from the abyss sibling's memory and retroactively added into the irminsul database
kaeyaspiracy! as in conspiracy theory that involves kaeya, and pirate is one of his motifs!! 🤯 ok slightly more srs comment, i've been latching on "inept god" as a repeating theme in genshin. but then again, powerful figures taking lives as they see fit to achieve their ideal, no matter how noble their original intention may be, is nothing new. there's the heavenly principles, then raiden, the akademiya, deshret, narzissenkreuz, etc. i won't be surprised if it's gonna be one of the main issues with the fatui too
This is actually just something Ive noticed as a recurring theme early on. In every nation we’ve had there has been at least one god that was doing what they believed was best for their people and was wrong or was actively holding humanity back. Mondstat- decarabian: tried to protect his people by locking them in the city and that was hurting them instead of liyue- zhongli: him being at the forefront actively held back humanity from reaching their potential and was no longer needed Salt god: she refused to participate in the archon war and it backfired because her people understandably didn’t believe it would protect them Inazuma-Ei: she promised unchanging eternity as a way to protect inazuma and ended up trapping them there, causing a Civil War over the vision hunt, and letting the Fatui do their stuff Sumeru- King Deshret: tried to make a hive mind and introduced forbidden knowledge Fontaine- focalors: not having the full authority over hydro meant that the people couldn’t be true humans until she and her throne were gone so Neuvillette could do what she couldn’t Remus: tried to resist the prophecy by eliminating all possible threats and putting his people in stone bodies but ultimately just ran into the fall of Remuria In my mind that is one of the biggest themes of genshin if not the biggest along with family(siblings especially).
All things are quite alignment to certain theory that, Genshin it's the story about how the traveler became Void Archives-like, and the sibling it's the thing they control to shape the world's, meaning Genshin it's the spin off story of the very beginning of Hoyo-verse But who knows, it's just a theory
THIS IS SO GOOD omg I'm copy/pasting what I commented on another video, forgive! Your explanation of how Caribert can transcend time makes my theory work so I'm excited about that haha "The reason we can't remember just the reunion part is because that all happened AFTER Caribert dissipated. We were then occupying an afterimage of a space in a consciousness that didn't exist anymore, so nothing that we experienced in those moments really existed either. It's a different situation from Irminsul, which can alter memories but not reality (ACTUALLY, that makes it sound like Irminsul is Celestia's version of a beta Loom of Fate, huh). Except Caribet is the GOAT and snuck us a cheat memento before he peaced out WAHH RIP KING" ETA: You reminded me of another of Dain's voicelines- "Defeat me, command me to step aside, show me that you are worthier than I to rescue her". Perhaps Lumine really is trapped by Teyvat/the Heavenly Principles, and Traveler will use their ability to use the Loom to manifest them (back?) into reality
The Loom of Fate is designed to weave new Ley Lines. Dottore was seen burning the Irminsul down I'm starting to think the Fatui and the Abyss are working together temporarily to overthrow Celestia before the inevitable fight with the Abyss itself. There's just too many connected details not to make a theory
The quest said the loom of fate can't change what already happened done nor extend a ley line, but can create new lines, which is basically the power of the Herscherr of Reason from Honkai Impact 3rd, give tangibility to imagination. Welt used to be able to create a whole army from his imagination into reality.
My first thought when they started to talk about implanting "fake memories" was that maybe the sibling was a fake memory turned real by the power of the completed Loom of Fate, which would mean that their journey was also just a fake memory. That would make sense with the sibling's records from Irminsul's database saying that the sibling is from Teyvat, even though the Traveller has memories of them travelling together, and coming from a different world. Also, the "fake sibling" could be either the Abyss Twin or the Traveller themself, who knows. But as the quest went on, I think its clear that the Loom of Fate was completed more recently, making this theory fall apart lol ....... unlessss
man I don't think it actually falls apart, and I've been on a "fake sibling" train for a while (e.g. I made a video on Rhinedottir/the primordial man that explores this)
Yas! Great minds think alike- I was immediately reminded of Ei’s 2nd quest, and even the description of petal kinda resembles the description of the picture we get at the end. I think Istaroth might have been kinda a bit involved into all of this especially the picture part because what else is a picture but a memory taken in one specific MOMENT? Thats my thin-foil hat theory 😅 Edit: i also hope someone will look into that “you are the only one who calls me like that in this world”. Names are important thing in Norse mythology and this got me thinking that traveler is basically Nameless throughout their entire journey- hell even Dain doesn’t call us by our name nor Paimon. Idk what to make out of it but i feel like its kinda important
I still think the term "descender" referring to those with a strong will is inaccurate tbh. Why would they be called descenders? What if someone outside of teyvat descended, but doesn't have the will? They descended from outside, but aren't descenders. On top of that, we've learned that the sibling isn't a descender specifically because there are records of them in irminsul. So my theory goes hand to hand with the art of khemia. Creations of khemia are constantly referred to as "beings from another world". These include rifthounds, the whale etc. that belong to another world but aren't descenders. So my theory is khemia is more like "summoning things into teyvat" rather than creating them. That way, things from another world skip the descending into teyvat step, and are bound to teyvat's laws. With how the siblings' arrival to teyvat is purposefully being held from us, I personally think it's possible that the abyss sibling was summoned to teyvat, while the traveler descended to teyvat on their own, making one bound by teyvat's laws while the other not. The land of teyvat is heavily guarded so things that force themselves in can become descenders, but things that are summoned into teyvat can't become descenders because they were summoned by the art of khemia which is a method invented and used directly by humans on teyvat. That's also why our sibling suddenly appeared in khaenri'ah, because our sibling was summoned in by a method primarily used by khaenri'ahns. And I think Elynas's existence supports this, because Elynas told us that before being born in dragon form, he was lingering around the cosmic darkness.
It messes up with the chronological timeline. The twins didn't enter Teyvat separately rather. 1. Twins entered Teyvat on Khaenriah and the Traveler slept while the Abyss Twin was regarded as royalty. 2. Sometime the Traveler finally woke up and explored Khaenriah along the other sibling (hence why they know about the Eclipse dynasty (eclipse tribe). 3. Cataclysm happens, the two tries to leave and got jumped by the Sustainer. 4. The Abyss Twin got sent back to Khaenriah while it's still being destroyed while the Traveler got sent straight to the Future in Mondstadt. My theory is that since it involves time, the Abyss Twin got tampered by the Sustainer and thus lost their Descender status while the Traveler got saved by Istaroth and was sent to the future.
actually I now wonder if there are any connotations in the original CN used because I'm going off what Rene said. 'descender' is perhaps not the best they could have used. but I'm vibing with this idea of alchemy being important here. (also shameless self-promo but I made a video about the cosmic/primordial man a few months ago that delved into the topic of descenders and alchemy)
The term descender has always made me think that the Traveler has some connection to Celestia & the Heavenly Principles that they have forgotten. Because to descend would imply to come from above. People ascend to heaven. The word descend makes me think the Traveler came down from Celestia. And why would the sibling not be considered a descender too in that case? And to have the sibling be the head of the Abyss Order, which is BELOW Teyvat. Idk, it all seems to be pointing to something, I'm just not sure what in the slightest lol. Not enough has been explored about what the traveler and their sibling were truly up to before all this went down. Honestly, their connection to each other feels vague at best, and the Traveler never really mentions their past besides the single memory they have of traveling through worlds together. They have strong emotions about each other, but what else? What other memories are we missing about them being "twins"? It feels more like twins in a mythological or metaphorical sense and not so much a literal one? Like they are two sides of the same coin, light vs dark, etc etc.
Interesting you bring up the sacred Sakura planting situation. Remember what Makoto said during the cutscene: "Eternity extends time into infinity, dreams illuminate each moment within. When both shine in unison, the Sacred Sakura blooms from the darkness, *finally free from the clutches of the Heavenly Principles.*" If Istaroth can weave leylines as you've theorized, this essentially means they helped create Inazuma's very own little Loom of Fate. An alternative to the leyline system that is out of bounds from Celestia. Could that be why Ei often had to deal with entities from the Dark Sea besides the nation's close proximity to it? Because the sacred Sakura tree developed a different albeit weaker leyline system that wasn't as good at protecting Inazuma as that of Irminsul's? Oh speculations upon speculations.....
If the traveler was expected to forget everything that happened in Caribert’s world, why did they only remember their conversation with Caribert but just was unable to remember their reunion with their Sibling?
I just had a very crazy idea when you mentioned the "inept god" line at the end while showing Lumine's conversation with Aether. Think about it. Abyss Sibling admits they don't know how to use the Loom of Fate. Yet they have this tool of literally fate creation at their disposal. What if Heavenly Principles (the Unknown God) IS the Abyss Sibling who somehow slipped into an alternative time frame? What if their inept operation of Loom of Fate caused the cataclysm and created this whole timeline mess? What if the game's opening scene is the Abyss Sibling from the future effectively sealing themselves in an attempt to stop these events from ever happening? In the conversation, Abyss Sibling also admits they "can't face" the Traveler. What if Heavenly Principles being dormant is them just becoming more and more avoidant with time and not quite knowing how to face the consequences of their actions or their dear sibling? Imagine how depressing the Traveler finally meeting "Heavenly Principles" would be then. :(
Maybe the siblings come from a different world that’s really similar to tevat. Like earth from hi3rd and ggz are both earths but are still different planets Although I still think teyvat is like bubble worlds on mars in hi3rd, I just really like the idea of teyvat being a big domain and the waypoints being ether anchors holding it together
okay hear me out, why do i feel that the traveller and sibling DID BELONG TO KHANrea'h thousands of years ago because their outfits does seem like it was made in khanreah or at least in neighbouring human nations which might've existed alongside that, and by thousands I literally mean like 2000+ and since its a long long long time with so many windows to generate memory errors and stuff like that which the video showcased, not to mention that venti mentions that they've met long ago (I forgot where but it did happen), now as to why traveller feels super old and immortal despite my speculation that he belonged to a human nation, maybe something happened that completely changed teyvat and maybe it wasn't even known as teyvat, something more dire, maybe irminsul was not even planted at that time since it doesn't have any memories of traveller, as to why does it have the sibling's memory is because maybe she woke up and we kinda have a lore about that, maybe there was a much bigger "honkai" or a disaster at the time period which I am trying to describe which led to the creation of irminsul and it must've served a different purpose altogether than that we know of today, something in equivalence to cataclysm and as they say that abyss is the true sky and teyvat is the inner earth what if abyss was the actual civilisation in the question and they faced the honkai and maybe the honkai and were forced to turn their vision to teyvat for survival and those who couldn't escape to teyvat had to adapt thus "forbidden knowledge" and maybe those differences made teyvat and abyss enemies, and our traveller and siblings escaped and that's what they mention that their original home was destroyed, and years pass and since irminsul was planted AFTER and since irminsul isn't the only thing that can change memories and all, it all brings it down to the speculation that traveller's memories was also faultered making him believe that he's some descender and since irminsul was planted AFTER thus irminsul doesn't register it. although it is very vague and all I just feel that it could be one out of a billion possibilities, if anyone feels like some thing is wrong do comment and we can discuss :D
Kaeya might be a halfblood in between khaenri'ah factions, as in, eclipsed moon and crimson moon, mixed with a bit of mondstadtian The character we know is descendent of the blood moon dynasty has special eyes, maybe kaeya's right eye is like arlecchino's
I want to believe all the flower stuff is the sibbling testing the loom of fate on the traveller, bc the one supposed to love that flower is the sibbling, not the traveller (according to the traveil trailer and since we had never heard about that flower in game but in narcizze... Narciszje... Renes quest until now) so, it could be the sibbling testing the loom of fate, bc if it can change the travellers memories, it means it has enough power ti change decenders memories and/or create new leylines
I just assumed they were supposed to act as Voyager Satellites for a specific world, but when they found the flowers here they realized that the people from their world had already left their home and instead arrived and populated this place instead. They even reference “summoning” the travelers, which may actually have been them activating some sort of function that called the Travelers from their journey to rendezvous with them on Teyvat. They may no longer possess the magic that let them make the Travelers, so they wanted to use them as weapons against the gods of this new world. This may have also allowed them to reprogram one of them, incidentally. They may have even tried to rewrite their memories to make them more accommodating, but only finished the process with one of the twins, and not on the other.
My crack theory is that one of the siblings died and got resurrected or made into a homunculus or puppet. That'd explain why one is a descender and the other isn't, why the traveler is "recovering" their powers while the abyss twin kept theirs, why traveler!lumine "wakes up with flowers in her hair," why abyss!lumine looked so heartbroken in their latest animated short, why their journeys take place at different points in time. I have nothing to back this up except my tinfoil hat
My take on why the travellers "forgot" their meeting. (Tldr there was nothing to forget.) The realm of conciousness was part of Caribert's power to create memories (or memoria, if you will), ie that space and the meeting with Caribert was remembered because he was alive and the loom still had the power to create memories. With the loom completed and Caribert gone, there was no ability to implant the memory of the siblings convo in their heads, and so with the collapse of the space so too did the unimplanted memory collapse. The traveller woke up from their sleep without the memory of meeting the sibling left behind, because that memory was never created in the first place, while the memories of the meeting with Caribert were. Nothing was forgotten because there was nothing to forget. The experience was had (and the emotions with it) which is how I explain the traveller having a vague sense of something having transpired; but the experience itself was the experience of a memory based power, and without the implanting of that memory it faded along with the realm of conciousness, because that realm WAS the memory. Thats how I rationalize/explain it, anyhow. This also leaves open the possibility of memory manipulation working on the traveller, because the experience itself was a memory, and one mostly implanted in the traveller post waking.
I haven’t been able to play the new quest cause my internet has been out for a while, but Im excited to watch this when I finally can! after quest edit: Was a great video as always :)
I thought the exact same thing about the moment of memory alteration with caribert and dainsleif in his consciousness not really being a flashback. The way they framed it did not feel like a flashback
I'm starting to think that Teyvat might actually be a dream world. Lumine and the Sinners seem to make a big deal about "the truth of the world" for Teyvat and uh... THAT would be a pretty important secret for the Primordial One to try to keep away from his precious humans. Especially when you remember that Irminsul's roots dig down into Teyvat... from the Abyss. And roots are about providing nutrition to a tree... Aaaaand we already have had a concrete example of dreams being used as fuel to create an entire reality. And this would fit in with things we've seen in the quests around Deshret and Remus and Alhaitham's Story Quest...
I think they need a memory to make real. I'm thinking of collei's dream, make the burning of irminsul real. They might have to lead a descender down a path that they will witness some specific things.
in enka, the achievements referencing hesperus and phosphorus, the evening and morning stars respectively, alongside kairos (istaroth) makes me believe that the twins would be one of the four shades of teyvat, given that they’re clearly meant to represent the morningstars. i wouldn’t be surprised if the person whom the twins were forced to forget was one of the moon sisters, especially if said moon sister (looking at you goblet of void) became the heavenly principles and took over from the primordial one. it would definitely explain lumine knowing how fate is currently written by the heavenly principles because of her connection to the moon sisters. another one of the shades attempting to create a loom of fate seems to make the most sense, given basically no one else in teyvat has a connection to the moon sisters
I'm pretty sure it would make sense to say that Kaeya is a half-blooded Khaenri'an considering he shares many similarities with people from Sumeru desert, especailly Dheya (same eye color and skin color) and Khaenri'ah is also located somewhere near Sumeru City underground.
About using Loom of Fate to its full potential, I think the word "full" is the keyword. Sure, she can create a few leylines here and there. But what would it change? The world has plenty of leylines already. But it seems that she believes that with the right sort of leylines, she'll be able to fight the Heavenly Principles. Even if HP is just the Unknown God we saw in the beginning of the story, it would certainly take some special use of ley lines to be able to win. About the twins' origins, it would make sense if the twins are children of the Primordial One, or maybe 2 of the Shining Shades, who were sent on a journey to find a way to deal with Second Who Came (or perhaps that was just an excuse to get them away from danger of war that the adults were fighting).
Obligatory German correction comment: "Schwanenritter" literally means "Swan Knight", so you using it like the name of an organisations sounds really weird to me. It could be referred to "Orden der Schwanenritter" (order of the Swan Knights) or just as individuals (a Schwanenritter, a group of Schwanenritter). That aside, I enjoyed the video a lot!
1:43 why the heck didn't the Traveler say anything like: Umm.... what were you going to say, Dainsleif? Just a whole other reason why the Traveler being mute most of the time can be so irritating
I think the heavenly principles and abyss twin made a packed in where she'd striped the abyss twin of their divinity in making the gnosis while accompanying the traveller.
this is just me thinking out loud, there are a lot of scenes from trailers of some patches that didn’t show up in the game. if memories are manipulated is there a probability that they did happened and the traveller is just not remembering it that way?
While watching I was struck with the thought that the Loom and Istaroth may be one in the same. If they have the same/similar power, and that power involves reaching across time, why couldn't it have just... placed itself or its influence into the distant past? What that implies for the rest of the story I'm not sure yet, but the thought hit me like a truck and I had to write it down.
The wording of not being able to 'extend' existing ley lines made me think of how somr people use a 'life line' on someone's palm to predict how long they'll live Maybe it implies that you can't extend the duration of a Samsara cycle (which maybe can be calculated by the world end formula).....so Team Abyss will have to work within the time constraints that a cycle presents?
I'm a bit late to this, but I think there is a parallel between the abyss sibling stumbling upon the sea of flowers at the end of their journey, and Nilou subconsciously conjured the real padisarah in her dreamscape during Sumeru Archon Quest Act 2. You might be onto something here...
Having not remember thing is different and memory alteration is different thing. You can't change Traveller's memory(As for forgetting stuff, he forgot a lot of stuff about khanreiha as well, only remembers thing vaguely)
At the beginning, we were introduced to the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles. I know people are divided on the idea that either this person is the 1st Descender or not. I'm leaning toward being not, the Sustainer sounds more like Enforcer. Which would mean she's doing this at the Will of someone else, the Heavenly Principles. My current idea is the 1st Descender is King Irmin, who usurped Heaven. This would also be why the Sinners are revolting, they are trying to fight their Father/King (former). This is also why someone like Kaeya is derisive toward the "Heavenly Principles", because they know the truth and are maybe disgusted at being related to this Usurper; whom he views as being inept at controlling fate. This would also mean Dainsleif is working somewhat on the side Irmin, which would make a lot of sense why he sees his siblings as traitors and also, why he seems so conflicted about the greater conflict going on. And also, why we have to fight him, maybe its the Sustainer he was talking about 'saving' in the Trailer.
I struggle understanding how Kaeya even is real at this point his relatives are imaginary like how did you do that? omg hoyo managed to put a really great dain quest yet again
We already knew that the Traveler's memories are prone to be tampered from Venti's opening line, where he greets the Traveler as if they had already met in the past. Now is the second time that we have evidence of their memory being altered.
Which makes me a tad uncomfortable, because doesn't that imply that he figured out very quickly this was an amnesia-ed traveler and decided to clam up? Why didn't he share any knowledge with them, even if it was just that they'd previously met before...?
"The first crowned heir began her journey of seeking the pearl. But she was deceived, and the memory of her noble origins faded." And now we know that the Loom of Fate, which was up until this point uncompleted, can implant fake memories in its unrealized form. Could be that the sibling got their memories screwed with so they would to become the prince/ss of the abyss?
There's something strange going on because the abyss order calls the abyss twin either princess or Prince which I find strange cuz I'm starting to think that they're humans from A Different World because they know about the rest of the universe and they summoned the twins here 500 years ago. Which means there are two groups of humans ones from the Stars and ones from Earth 50,000 years ago in honkai the third. Cuz we already know that there are other humans on different planets the twins prove this and Honkai star rail the rest of the universe is full of humans , humanoid aliens , normal aliens and the Khaenri 'ahans ancestors Come From Another World but after Celestia arrived and recreated the world hence why they don't worship the archons cuz they know their Origins they know that they're just artificial humans that were created by humans. And the twins could actually be related to their King either their grandchildren or other relatives from another world cuz I do know that the usurpers or another group of humans from other worlds that tried to take over Celestia but failed obviously and we're banished Underground that's my theory so far. Because they have advanced technology, they know about other worlds, and they summon the twins from another world, and they accidentally created a portal to the abyss doing something and experimented with forbidden knowledge and there were six people involved including Dainsleif and his brother. Gold an alchemist who created Albedo, and the rest of the 6 sinners. My theory is they were experimenting with forbidden knowledge and accidentally opened up a portal to the abyss which released monsters into the world and Celestia sent the Heavenly principal to pretty much Wipe Out the entire nation to prevent it from destroying the entire world it was either that or everyone else dies. But it seems to be Traveler doesn't remember all the details cuz I think some of his memory is missing because he's been asleep for 500 years. Obviously the abyss Twin remembers their past completely
I just want to know why the abyss consider the traveler as a descender but not the sibling. It seems the sibling knows that they themself are not a descender therefor why wouldn’t the traveler be considered the same by the abyss? It would make sense if they were both outlanders but only traveler is a descender because he has a will to change the world However it seems like neither of them are really outlanders, at least the sibling is not. It implies tracker has different origins than the sibling ?
Crack theory: I've identified as Gnostic for over a decade, and obviously this game leans heavily on those themes, with even the battle pass clip featuring the first half of the Gnostic Hymn of the Pearl. In Gnosticism, there's a heavy emphasis on "two becoming one". Not only that, but the Supreme Diety (not the fake one that rules our fake world) exists as a two-in-one entity. To cut out a ton of context because I'm too lazy to explain more: "God" is actually two people in a trench coat. A divine feminine and a divine masculine. For all intents and purposes, they're a symbiosis of opposites, in love and creating, then creating with their creations. This entity is named Barbelos. A google snippet about this entity: >"In Gnosticism, Barbelo is a divine figure who is sometimes referred to as a "mother-father" or "thrice-named androgyne". Barbelo is considered the first emanation of God and the passive antecedent of creation. She is also known as Thought, Providence, Forethought, or Foreknowledge." What if.... and hear me out..... what if there actually aren't any twins at all? What if they're both the same person, split in two and seperated? What if they must come to the same conclusion to rejoin and remember who they are, the true and divine god/dess of the realm? That could(?) explain why only one of them is the descender. Because the Traveler is the key. They're actually both the descender. They're just two halves to one whole.
My theory, if prophecy = history, then fate = memory. I believe reincarnation exists in Genshin. When a character dies, they are recycled into Irminsul and are born again into the world. Their fate is already locked in with their previous life serving as a guide towards their future. It's interesting to look at Childe's constellation (fate) and see that his very first stella fortuna (star of destiny) is called Foul Legacy: Tide Withholder and that it has been fulfilled in the story. He held back the whale from further destroying Fontaine with the primordial sea. I'm not sure what his next stella fortuna (Foul Legacy: Understream) would mean in terms of his next steps in the story, but seeing them in sets of 2, Foul Legacy, Abyssal Mayhem, and Havoc implies he obtains more power. I believe Childe actually is the reincarnation of Ajax, lucky he got the same name again too. I also look at Kaeya's stella fortuna and see 2 have been fulfilled. He was born with excellent blood as a khaenri'ahn. When his father abandoned him at the winery, he told him "This is your chance. You are our last hope." But Kaeya did not convey this to Crepus, instead he played victim and pulled the 'dad left for milk and never came back card lol (actual words as told by Kaeya: "'I'll go get us some grape juice for the road,' he said, but he never came back."). That lie could have been the start of his stella fortune Never-Ending Performance. Interesting note from the 4.7 quest: When Caribert was talking to the hilichurls, we see him as golden butterflies. There's also golden butterflies in his realm of consciousness. Also, HuTao who deals with the dead is surrounded by golden butterflies (constellation, skill, her dash, etc).
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ok but we really should be talking about how Atossa got dumped by a dead hilichurl
NAAAAAUR
I saw someone joke on a different video that she didn’t get dumped but… ghosted 🥲
Everyone is on each other throat then this woman just "I just get dumped am I"
When you put it like that... 😭😭😭
The games only canon ship🔥🔥🔥
The way I burst out laughing when Dain said the sinner is his brother. "dO yOU beLieVe yoUr siBLinG to haVe bEtrAYed yoU?" Projecting a bit huh. Also, I now think Paimon has a sibling purely because hoyo loves handing out those apparently.
But also, I have always wondered about the ominous symbolism of inteyvat flowers to our beloved khaenriahn characters. Its just so tragic that the flower is basically doomed the moment it leaves its homeland.
Just like khaenriahn´s...
Memories are being manipulated like they're the victim of a toxic ex, that's crazy
If i were atossa, id simp for caribert too, like gawd damn, for an npc dude looks better than some playable characters
Imagine playable Caribert's model, would be up there among the most handsome tall males
and he's got a way better personality to simp for than half the cast
Yaaas! Somebody said it! The entire quest I have been looking at Caribert and thinking "damn,you remind me of Kaeya"
May I ask, how? I just really don't see it. He looks like his daddy (minus wrinkles and a. Bit longer hair). And he has an earring, but it is not like Kaeya's. Eyes, skin colour, hair, jaw shape, clothes, body language... None of them matches...
Having the earring is a bit odd, but Aether has one, too...
To me, Kaeya looks like Pierro. And it seems he has black hair, too (one strand left the rest is grey)... Being a spy is also a Fatui thing, so...
Anyways, for me, his eyes prove we should not read much into his looks. He has pureblood eyes and he is pureblood not...
@@ashy969 It's not like a 1:1 likeness, it's more like some tiny details that somehow resembles Kaeya, like the earring and the dark blue hair and the overall feel to it. It's like when people comment on grandchildren looking like their grandparents when they were young. It's not like they look exactly alike, but there's some resemblance.
@@legendaryeiyuu I don't see it, but okay. At least I get the analogy :D
But... regarsless how he looks, they are sure as hell related somehow...
Maube some time travel is needed for it to work, but... as we know that's not an issue in Genshin
@@ashy969 yeah understandable. I'm guessing the designers probably want to show the Alberich clan has a certain aesthetic, like a penchant for dangling earring and having different variations of blue and white on their design. And yeah, I'm honestly curious how far down Kaeya is on the family tree in relation to Clothar.
I've always thought the whole 'travelling the stars with my sibling' deal was extremely sus and it's wierd that we've never gone into detail about it or been pressed on it by another npc. My crackpot theory has been that the siblings are sort of 'dreamwalkers' and have the ability to interact with constellations and they contain pocket worlds that are centered around that constellation's 'fate'.
So that would mean they have the ability to visit bubble universes. Which in term would open up all kinds of possibilities in the future.
Probably similar to Durandal?Like,there's an entire world contained inside her body using Ether Anchor?
Entropy and Ferryman in HI3 have this power too.
@@Faron93 Theres also Honkai Impact part 2, Dreamweaver/Entropy is the MC and they travels to many bubble worlds, this is going on in tandem with Genshin.
Ayato being the prying guy that he is asks the Traveler about his travels _before_ arriving to Teyvat in a voiceline. Conveniently, there's no way to know if the Traveler answered anything.
Dainsleif showed up, teased future 5 stars and peaced out.
Highly doubt that any of the Sinners will be playable.
There are direct connections between the Sinners and the Pygmy Lords of Dark Souls games, as well as the Fingers of the God Hand in Berserk.
Pretty sure the Sinners are going to turn out to be the genuine antagonists of the whole story and our Traveler will need to kill them.
@DrakeWurrum Yeah, I don't actually expect them all to be playable. I think in true anime fashion sinners will be our new set of mysterious threatening enemies after we deal with the Fatui. And maybe like with Fatui one or two of them will be playable.
future final boss rather than future 5 stars lol
@@SparklilyCordiale "after we deal with the Fatui" - many people believe Tsaritsa will convince us to join her against the Heavenly Principles though. But yeah, the sinners might be the antagonists after that anyway.
@FranciscoJG True, it may be, but I meant in screenwriting sense. Now we have a clear path we are following: meeting one harbinger after another. But we'll probably meet all of them in Natlan and Snezhnaya, and after that screenwriters can neatly fit in a new set of enemies we can look forward to. Abyss order and Celestia don't really work for that purpose because they are endgame, or at least currently have a strong endgame position.
two thoughts I had after finishing the quest:
1. caribert only appeared in people's memories at sunset. and you know what a popular drink among khaenrians like dain and kaeya is? death after noon. also in the road not taken mv, aether wakes up at sunset while lumine wakes up at sunrise. i'm not entirely sure if this is all connected but my guess is that this could maybe allude to teyvat being trapped/suspended in its "sunset" era right before it descends into night/death.
2. i kinda reached the same conclusion about the traveler being the only one able to weave the threads of fate that you did, but from a different perspective. when the sibling said they couldn't utilize the loom of fate to its full potential yet, i thought that might be because they don't have all the tools necessary yet, and the fatui might in fact hold the other piece of the puzzle. the abyss order and the fatui basically have the same goal, to destroy the "old world" and build a new world not under the control of celestia and the heavenly principles.
i think the fatui have the means to destroy the old world by destroying irminsul. we saw from arlecchino's sq that her blood has the power to erase memories that dottore has been experimenting with, and we also saw that scene of dottore burning down irminsul in the winter night lazzo teaser. meanwhile the abyss order have the ability to create the new world with the loom of fate, because it can create new leylines but not destroy or alter existing ones.
so i think what will ultimately happen is that the abyss order and fatui will either team up or fight each other for the other faction's piece of the puzzle. but i also think the traveler is the final key to making this plan work, the final piece of the puzzle, because as you said they are a descender with a will to rival a world, but they are also a "witness" to everything that has happened in teyvat. so i believe when the old world/irminsul is destroyed, the new world will be created based on the traveler's memories of teyvat, and they will be the one using the loom of fate to reweave the threads of teyvat's fate.
Wow, really cool idea
Thanks for sharing!
damn someone cooked here. also the thing you said about teyvat being in its sunset stage gave me chills
OMFG. YOU'RE COOKING WITH THIS THEORY. It's kinda of like a civil war happening with the both of the factions due to the fact they have each other's final pieces, while traveler (us) was the key all along👀👀
I love this theory, it's the most comprehensive and coherent one I've had the chance to read yet ! This theory in regards to descenders being the final key to use the loom of fate/weave new ley lines also explains why Khaenriah was actively looking for descenders if their goal was already to rebuild the world prior to their destruction. Heck, it even gives the Heavenly Principles a serious motive for destroying Khaenriah: the threat of an overthrow was too significant to ignore.
Something notable from the 5.1 archon quest: those moon fragments, which remain visible after the hole in the sky closes, are doing something pretty suspicious... they aren't moving. They should be orbiting Teyvat and also following the "stars" as the planet rotates. But they just sit there. This alone really makes me think the world is frozen in time, and running some sort of artificial time--explaining why it's easily manipulated using the right tools, and behaves inconsistently in places like the Abyss that are far from the original gods' territory.
Elaborate this From the "Thread of fate" part
This idea already exist on Remuria, which king Remus creating of Fortuna/ ( Grand Symphony ) he already succeeded in creation of Grand Symphony but lack its final components 'pencil' to write it down the last music.. because that pencil is "Will" he didn't know how to complete it because Remus don't have a will to operate the Grand Symphony.. and now we have our own siblings with "Loom of fate" Same cases.. our siblings didn't how to operate it full potential because he/she didn't has the "Will" to fully used it's potential..
At first I had a section on this but i felt it was too long and complicated but yes you def summarized it better than i did originally lmao. spot on A++
@@roozeveltfox yeah this idea is a little to crazy.. first time I learn this then I connect
The dote to King Remus Grand Symphony and wow it's just the same thing... Eh I wonder if Vedrofolnir also there when Phobos/ Saybblia betray remus heh...
True. And this is also the same missing component when it was Rene's turn to try to defy fate.
One wonders if Alice has the "will" and what the Hexenzircle make of this
@@worm2976I'm like 90% sure this "will" is what makes a descender.
The thing about the Loom of Fate being separate from Irminsul is also explained in how it is said that it can only create new ley lines, it cannot alter or extend those that already exist. This detail has to matter at some point.
It means, imho, that it's not meant to wrestle against Irminsul for control, but replace it. Either in the locations that have been abandoned by it (cause nails), as a backup if that happens again, or as a way to 'pack up and go elsewhere'.
It won't surprise me if the Leylines the Loom of Fate creates will be mechanical with wires everywhere instead of Trees and roots.
Dottore burning Irminsul Something Something...
@@saaraharoni7949 i was thinking Nails, but it could always turn to that
Every day I pray that they won’t fuvk up kaeya’s ark by brushing off all his lore potential in the endgame
imo his final decision is the ultimate choice that also traveller will have to face I think
I don't think they will brush it off. hoyo can be slow about a lot of things and perhaps theyve glossed over some things (...Inazuma things come to mind) but kaeya is one of the OGs and muuuust be a part of the bigger picture
I really hope so, too
And I remembered something from HI3rd now...
I didn't play HI3rd entirely, just jumped in on the new chapters at the end of KiaMeiBronya story, but sometime in the main quests, the trio suddenly remembered a little detail from the very start of the game... The unmanned battleship "Selene" and some cryptic riddle left for Kiana as a hint, that, as far as I'm aware, wasn't brought up anywhere else in the game('s main story, at least). "Selene" was explored and given more screen time in the manga, but I haven't read them and didn't know all the details besides that which were given in-game, and then suddenly, Hoyo brought up "Selene" and that hint in the end of Kiana's story. AND EXPLAINED IT!! Now I just hope that smth similar happens in Genshin, too
This whole 4.7 situation reminds of Black Swan. How she told us the truth of the dream via a 'bedtime story', how she created a light cone of our memory. Imagine if the photo at the end is a light cone.
A lot of Acheron's lines make me think of the travellers
Traveler’s memory got affected implies this loom of fate thingy will work for the other descenders aka current divine beings in teyvat
The Loom of Fate never affected Traveler's memory. They were in a realm of consciousness after the person who owned it died, THAT is completely different.
@@DrakeWurrumwhat about when the traveler forgot about the interaction with the abyss sibling ?
@@wtisosmair6961 they forgot their interaction because the place that they talked was inside Caribert's consciousness.
I wonder if the venti’s voice line about meeting the traveller before and them not remembering is important in this context ( especially with venti’s connection with istaroth)
That has been debunked so many times though.
That voiceline is referring to when we stumbled upon him and Dvalin and scared both away and then he mysteriously helped us during our first fight with Dvalin. He kept us in the air. There's no deeper meaning. He had already met us but we didn't know who he was.
@@Orion_TheyThem That's not true? LOL?? ''Allow me to join you on your journey again" Back when time loops were just a theory, that's what a small percentage of people have concluded to. Now that we know about the second timeline where Istaroth helped Makoto, (read your in game books) that there is another timeline.
@@Orion_TheyThem Also, just pointing something obvious out. The first time Venti mentions he was interruped while trying to communicate with Dvalin and Traveler remembers that they were the ones who interrupted him and they are apologetic. The second time they apologize for absorbing the anemo power without asking.
I think one important detail many of us are forgetting in this quest is that memories have nothing to do with fate. Traveler says that any change in memory must be imperfect, and it contradicts with the physical world, just like what happened to the villagers of Vimara village. But what Makoto, Rukkhadevata,Focalors and to some extent, Wanderer did was in fact changing the fate.
1. Makoto didn't simply alter the memories, she changed the fate by planting seeds that couldn't and shouldn't been able to be planted under normal circumstances. Istaroth helped her in this.
2. Rukkadevata changed the fate by managing to preserve a branch of Irminsul from the cataclysm which later became Kusanali.
3. Focalors changed the fate of all the Fontainians, but notice how the Prophecy still happened, which was the memory of one of the Sinners who wrote it on the tablets.
4. Wanderer changed his own fate, by forgetting his past and being able to weave a new future for himself.
We need to rethink and even discard the idea that "Irminsul changes memories". It doesn't, because otherwise the changes would have been imperfect at best and destructive at worst. What it does however is that it re-records the events that happened whenever someone changes fate. Alterations in memories are just by-products of someone changing the fate.
Also remember Caribert mentioned that changing memories is what the worst version of Loom Of Fate can do, its best version should be able to create new leylines which have nothing to do with memory manipulation. in fact he goes on to say that memories have no role in the final version of Loom Of Fate.
There are certain people however who are not susceptible to the changes made in fate by someone else. Hexenzirkel, The Sinners and the Traveler are the only examples I can think of right now. However even amongst them nobody has the power to weave new fate from scratch except for obviously us, the traveler.
This also makes me think that Verdonfolnir(and other Sinners) are just great fortune tellers and some people/groups like Hexenzirkel are able to decipher what they foretell, and can even help the capable people to change the fate. Hence Nicole kept on nudging Traveler in the right direction in the Sumeru and Fontaine AQ.
Very long comment but thanks for reading to anyone who made this far lol.
Agree, and thank you for summarizing all this
I'd like to make one addition/propose a change : Focalors' actions, at least, may not have defied fate....only our understanding of it (and maybe the same applies to other cases??). And we have long misunderstood fate.
There are 2 reasons I believe this :
1. Fontaine AQ : We talk to Mage N of the Hexenzircle. She says we cannot stop the prophecy from coming to pass, but there are always loopholes to be found. We did not prevent the exact images on the stone slates from coming to pass.......but we did prevent what _we feared_ the images might mean.
2. Remuria quest : A strikingly similar prophecy was handed to Remus. The kingdom would fall, and was doomed to drown. This did happen. Remus could not, with all his maneuvers prevent it. But he _did_ make his citizens undissolvable (insoluble?)
Both nations in the same area ~(implying shared ley lines?)~ had similar fates that came to pass despite all attempts to circumvent it - there is also the shared attempt at leveraging dragon-kin. Where the vishap prince Scylla was prevented from actually bein able to help, Neuvilette (hydro dragon himself) _did_ successfully save people.
These lead me to believe that although fate/fortuna is absolute and unchangeable, it _is_ limited in its scope : it defines certain things, but the blank spaces with little to no definition can be changed, thus changing what an outcome might mean. What happens in between two predestined events, seems changeable.
(Of course not considering a Descender's power. Also......so many time a rebellion against Celestia has been carried out by 'uniting' people in a collective consciousness/soul/harmony etc. Makes me wonder if this, too, isn't fate. And if that's why Tsaritsa is collecting gnoses.)
I think that Wanderer didn't really change anything. His constellation - the core of this whole mechanism - remained the same
Wait, why those 2 groups could escape the irminsul alterations?
Unless you meant they have artificial means to do so (unlike descenders like the Traveler who do it naturally), since the writer from Hexenzirkel is relevant precisely because allegories bypass those alterations.
I don't agree but... (and take my opinions with a grain of salt because I never feel like I actually know what's going on (lmao)). Basically: imho the biggest theme of genshin is that fate is unchangeable... but thus the entire point of the loom of fate (and the traveler, eventually.) rukkhadevata and wanderer altered memories, and the "changed past" was filled in with other memories. the "past" fate did not change. focalors worked around the prophecy, so she did not change "future" fate. as Nicole said, the prophecy HAD to happen, but focalors worked inbetween the lines.
even makoto w/ istaroth didn't technically "change" fate or the past themselves, istaroth simply created a "new" ley line (which didnt "change the past" but altered the past, present and future as we know it.)
these are all super interesting and good insights though - I just think that as nicole said, changing fate is hard af, and that's the theme imho! just my thoughts though. ty for the food for thought!
@@worm2976 well, N says basically the same. That fate cannot be changed but we can change the steps - our actions - as fate unfolds. Don't remember her exact words but... It seems to be true...
I mean, I am sure we will crack the system somehow, but it seems, for now, even our Abyss-brainwashed sibling is clueless...
This is a bit off-topic, but we saw the Golden Power during Clorinde's SQ too, which allowed the Traveler and their friends to calm upon long deceased warriors.
And this power was only able to be used thanks to the weapons they picked up; which were imbued not only with magic to slay monsters, but the Wills of their wielders.
This, to me, seems like a small acknowledgement towards the fact that anyone, or at the very least all Allogenes can use Descender powers if they have enough Will, even if it lacks compared to a fully-fledged Descender. Also, “The Sword of Reason, capable of cutting through any Will and Reality, can be anything”, and remember that René had to "die" before completing his journey, so that he could avoid getting a Vision, which are tools that control those with Wills strong enough that reach the Heavens...
Seems like Visions are tools to stop Teyvatians from becoming Descenders, and Allogenes are lured into a false sense of power and freedom by the promise of ascending into Celestia and becoming gods.
This is why I hate it when people say "Make (beloved NPC) be a Vision holder".
It itches me a lot that someone buried Chlothar with his lover and Caribert's scarf. Was it the abyss sibling? but, if Caribert died why not burying him with his family, WHERE IS HIS BODY? and it was never explained how did Chlothar break free of the curse of inmortality. Too many questions again.
I kinda assumed that when caribert took of his mask he went POOF and later the abyss sibling buried chlothar with his long-dead wife. but that also implies that the sibling buried chlothar & knows how he broke the curse.... argh!!!
Ah but we ASSUME Chlothar died because of the scarf.....there isn't any irrefutable confirmation that it was really Chlothar's skeleton
My theory about the sea of flowers at the end was the factor that stripped abyss sibling's status as a descender and recorded her memories in the eirmensil
That's really interesting!
So now I think Kaeya was created by the abyss sibling using the loom in the likeness of Caribert. To give him the life he never had. Maybe Reindottir popped in to give them tips on not creating an abyssal beast?
i left this comment on a few videos after the bedtime story quest came out cause i wanna see what others think.... I wonder if…… aether and lumine’s original home world…… is teyvat? but they just don’t recognize it?
their home world was destroyed, but lumine “belongs to THIS world”, and we know the primordial one came and basically destroyed the original teyvat and rewrote it… the twins also wanted to find a place where the flower from their now-destroyed home world grows, and at the end of lumine’s journey through the rewritten teyvat, she found the place, on this “new” world.
there are the theories that the new teyvat is a dream, and the “forbidden knowledge” that its denizens cannot understand is that the real teyvat is actually destroyed and they’re now living in a fake dream world. when apep ate deshret and absorbed his knowledge, all she could see was death and destruction and wasteland, as if she was peering outside of the dream and seeing the “truth of the world”, but it was so jarring that she cannot understand and it just causes her pain. the truth breaks down the dream, which causes all the adverse effects we’ve seen in game (withering, eleazar, etc).
if i remember correctly, lumine also refused to link up with aether because he has not yet reached the end of his journey and learned the truth that she learned at the end of hers. maybe she hates the heavenly principles and she is determined to fight this war by any means necessary, because at the end of her journey when she found the sea of inteyvats, she realized that this is actually her original home world, but the heavenly principles destroyed it and trapped everyone in a dream/samsara to cover up the truth, and to have control over everyone. so now lumine is determined to fight for her homeland, and is waiting for aether to finish his journey, learn the truth, and understand why she has “taken it this far”, in the hopes that he will see where she’s coming from and join her.
I COULD ALSO just be COMPLETELY wrong and missing a bunch of details, but that’s the theory that popped into my head when she mentioned the sea of flowers!!!!!
So has caribert been watching everyone for close to 500 years? There’s no way he didn’t also contact keaya right? Keaya has a suspicious amount of knowledge about khaenri’ah, could caribert be one of his sources?
considering some of my ideas about Kaeya....... maybe
I think the abyss twin is following in the footsteps of Deshret, Narzissenkreuz, and Remus. Deshret and Narzissenkreuz both tried to create a collective consciousness and Remus moved everyone's consciousness into stone bodies and tried to weave music to defy fate, but for various reasons they all failed. I think the underlying reason is fairly obvious; none of them were descenders so didn't have the will to successfully go against the status quo like that. But in all cases they separated the mind/will from the body in order to circumvent a disaster, or, more plainly, defy fate.
So I think the abyss twin is trying to create a similar outcome because they've realised they can't prevent the awakening of the heavenly principles from purely within the current system, so the leylines, irminsul, etc. So they've decided to try to brute force the problem whatever the personal cost. Caribert says the loom of fate can't replace or extend current leylines but it can create new ones. So the abyss twin is going to use the loom of fate to weave an entirely new system of leylines and probably create a new irminsul equivalent, which will be free of the authority of the heavenly principles. The abyss twin is going to try to separate everyone from their bodies like the previous cases and gather their consciousness in the new system so that when the world is destroyed the new system can re-constitute it and bring everyone back but without the old system. I think if the heavenly principles awaken it means the end of everything so the abyss twin is trying to back everything up before that happens. I've speculated for a while that Celestia is actually home to a genshin equivalent of a god-computer rather than anything remotely human, so I have unfortunate suspicions about what the awakening of the programme would mean for the inhabitants of Teyvat.
I've questioned why the abyss twin has chosen not to travel with our twin, and I think it's because they aren't a descender and don't have a strong enough will to fully power the loom of fate. We're essentially the ace up our sibling's sleeve. As much as I rag on the game's "power of friendship" nonsense, I think it's lore relevant. To properly activate the loom of fate, I think every fibre of our twin's will needs to believe in the goodness of Teyvat and that it's ultimately worth saving. So they have to travel around the world and see its value for themselves. They have to become a part of the world in their own right. Only through doing that will they gain the will to successfully power the loom of fate.
Hot damn, your comment triggered a thought that just blew my mind.
So we know that Genshin features heavy religious themes and symbology, primarily revolving around Gnosticism, Christianity, Bhuddism, Kabbalism and Norse mythos (I have personally identified as Gnostic for 12+ years so I'm nerdy and not normal about all this)
With that in mind, I've always pictured or head-canoned the traveler to be a sort of Jesus/Lucifer/Morning Star character. They're a catalyst and an inspiration, bringing peace and healing wherever they go. All the boxes are checked. It seems pretty clear that was the archetypal intention.
But something you were saying about the abyss twin gave me a pause. You were describing what their fake leyline system would look like, and speculating that consicousnesses could be collected to a hive, etc. But if you look into a lot of modern speculation about what the anti-christ might manifest as, don't you think the abyss twin.... kinda fits the bill perfectly? People hypothesize stuff surrounding the anti-christ with talk about an AI based one-world system, uploading virtual consicousnesses, replacing the astral or spiritual realm with a technological one, etc etc etc etc etc.
If your predictions are truly the route the story takes, then that's what their archetypes are meant to portray, right? The Christ and the anti-Christ??
listen, aside from the "power of friendship" haterade (disclosure: im biased because i love that sht, even if it's silly) - this is ding ding ding spot on
The power of friendship is always relevant in hoyoverse games
Something that i learn is that fate is not an enemy is a party of existances itself, like time , Gravity, emotion or death, only when You learn and accept that You can control your own fate
Looking forward to your future Kaeya/Alberich clan-related videos
Just saw and commented regarding your post on the bird app (now X lol) about Afrasiab, and now I'm sinking deeper and deeper into more interesting theories because it seems Kaeya is a descendant not from the Eclipse Dynasty, but from the Crimson Moon Dynasty. Khaenri'ah has been waiting and looking for salvation since the beginning, and it was the original dynasty it seems.
Now, as the "last hope" of Khaenri'ah, I got my head buried under various Persian myths and legends wherein Mihoyo could possibly got their inspiration from, and as they intentionally made Kaeya wear a Persianic or mid-Asia inspired "costume", I think the Khaenri'ah we know, believe, and cooking as canon inside our head is not that simple.
Anyways, let me remind everyone that no other character in-game has been constantly associated/alluded their character to a prince (besides the traveler) by the game like Kaeya does 😁
Oh, and let me boldly drop here my assumption that Kaeya's mission is to pick up the light (the Traveler) to save his nation that is currently shrouded in darkness. I bet everyone's been reminded about last year's summer event wherein he played as the dagger-thief lmao
Oh, to add to our usual Kaeya brainrot: I suggest you all read about "Kayanian Kings/Dynasty" from wiki
It mentions how their ancestry naturally possesses khvarenah, called mantic seers or "poet-priests", their natural gift of prophecy is hereditary, and are princely rulers, etc 😁
the only character I can think of with a prince theme is the chalk prince Albedo
So in my mind it's like this -
1. Khaenriah summoned both siblings, who got encountered by the Heavenly Principles and were robbed off their powers and subjected to deep slumber.
2. The sibling woke up before traveler did and they've traveled the world once, giving them the tag of "belongs to teyvat". Traveler on the other hand is experiencing everything for the first time and building their perceptions of this world independently and thus traveler is descender.
3. The sibling on their journey meets Abyss (specifically vedrfolnir) and gets corrupted and instigated to wage a war against the heavenly principles.
4. The loom of fate cannot be used by sibling cuz they lack "will", they're not a descender. The traveler is the one who has to use the loom of fate.
5. Whether the traveller uses it against the heavenly principles or the abyss is something we'll decide based on our experience, perceptions and impressions of the current world.
Feel free to drop your thoughts, I'm just speculating like everyone.
Edit - in point 2, sibling is tagged as "belongs to teyvat" cuz while their travel journey, one "samsara cycle" of sorts is completed and thus the irminsul registers them, which is why Nahida tells us so in 3.x archon quest chain. Yep, irminsul is a perpetual samsara machine.
I added this cuz I want the people to know that irminsul is a "will extraction machine" and visions are essentially "trackers" sent down by heavenly principles.. I'm going bonkers so imma stop
I wish we had a clearer timeline of the siblings arrival in Teyvat. Did they fight the unknown god the moment they were summoned or after the cataclysm? 🤔
@@Allenby2 I think the whole chronology about the Twins entering Teyvat goes like this.
1. Twins entered Teyvat and landed on Khaenriah and the Traveler slept while the Abyss Twin was regarded as royalty.
2. Sometime the Traveler finally woke up and explored Khaenriah along with the other sibling (hence why they know about the Eclipse dynasty (eclipse tribe).
3. Cataclysm happens, the two tries to leave and got jumped by the Sustainer. (Hence why when Arlecchino showed the Traveler the Crimson Moon they remembered about it.)
4. The two got captured and The Abyss Twin got sent back to Khaenriah while it's still being destroyed while the Traveler got sent straight to the Future in Mondstadt.
My theory is that since it involves time, the Abyss Twin got tampered by the Sustainer and thus lost their Descender status while the Traveler got saved by Istaroth and thus avoided Tampering and was then sent to the future in Mondstadt.
In line with my 'Iterative Teyvat' crack-canon, I am wagering on the Siblings originating from a past iteration of Teyvat, or Teyvat sharing elements with the realm of its origins, from which the Twins would have been dispatched.
A friend of mine had an interesting thought:
The Pale Princess and the Six Pygmies:
1. Blind Pygmy: "The Visionary"
2. Foolish Pygmy: "The Wise"
3. Shrunken Pygmy: "The Foul"
4. Timid Pygmy: "Rächer of Solnari"?
5. Carefree Pygmy: "Gold"?
6. Deformed Pygmy: "The Twilight Sword"
Might be cool to revisit that book when you make the dedicated vid on the sinners?
ALSO!! Regardless of who’s Kaeya’s direct descendant, how is he not a hilichurl? Caribert died almost immediately after regaining his sentience so how is Kaeya here?? Either pure Khaenri’ahns despite the curse can still procreate, there’s another way to cure the hilichurl curse OR Kaeya is a super special Khaenri’ahn who can save the world and fight celestia with one hand (Kaeya Impact let’s goooo!!!)
Idk just my thoughts, nothing like a Dain quest to leave us with more questions. Great theory as always, can’t wait for the upcoming vids!!
Damn ur friend must have cooked something there
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Actually, so the reason why half bloods transform into monsters is becs their ancestors betrayed the gods, but kayea fathe could be a person who hasn't betrayed them(as seeing that khanerians don't transform) and then his mom could simply be an another person who never betrayed the gods, that's why he isn't a hilichurl.....or he just broked the curse, I mean Alberich whatever his name was, he broked the curse and died, so maybe he broked the curse of every other Alberich and Kaya is just an descender of them
Yes ik that I wrote names and things wrong
I think it’s possible that chlothar got busy once he founded the abyss.
unfortunately this is still technically forbidden knowledge so i probs won't talk about this (fwiw it's mostly because anything that isn't officially in game is STC)
I think Kaeya's eyes being a little different could connect back to something on the other side of the family, which we've assumed for a long time is Sumeru because of the dark skin, but we also know that some people from Natlan have dark skin, so it's very possible we could get Kaeya mom lore drops in Natlan. I'd keep an eye out for anyone with eyes that are a bit unusual - maybe Kaeya has small diamonds because they're a mix between the large diamonds of the other Khanerians and some other unusual feature from some tribe from Natlan. That could be part of why Genshin has been so reluctant to let us see anyone from Natlan.
We’re eating so well in the Alberich/Khaenriah/Fate padded cell.
18:23 - I had a different take on this, which actually adds to the "What the HECK is up with Kaeya" lore
From what I could find, it's not clear to me on how quickly the transformation (into hilichurls) is - whether it's instantaneous or happens over time (and even then - days? Weeks? Years?). But what happened to Caribert is almost certainly what happened to his mother. It may be possible that he was too young to remember what she would've looked like, and thus based his appearance entirely off his father. BUT. He would still only be a half-blooded Khaenri'an, who are speculated to have the colored-in pupils, and theoretically the real Caribert would have them. If so, who knows what that means for Kaeya - human, but also able to age normally?
Pierro with the gnosis vs the Abyss with the power of make false memories into physical things in the world. Who will win?
If the Third descender has strong will then loom of fate will lose
About Inteyvat:
It should turn to dust once returned to homeland, right? So if we are from Khaenri'ah and we returned (evidently) why is it still in Lumine's hair? And it was in her hair at the character choosing screen...
Also, we are blond, and khaenri'ahns are told to be blonde (mostly) but then... Do we have the eyes of those people? Not even remotely...
7:28 About the wing description:
This quote sounds like a description of a mother to me. "Who had treated the to of you ever so gently"
In fact, it talks about someone who gave a cloth of protection at the beginning of your journey.
And the german name of this glider is wings of birth while the Chinese wording can also be used as reference to the birth of Christ (or so I've read). So...
When in the travail video Dain says "Defeat me, command me to step aside, show me that you are worthier than I to rescue HER. Then, the threads of all fate will be yours to re-weave."
Are we sure he refers to Lumine? We asume that because we are convinced Aether is the canon Traveler, but Hoyo keeps saying it doesn't matter which twin we choose - and why would they give a chance to choose if it does matter? We don't use that character as main for more than 5 minutes and as this is a gacha game, they didn't think we would either. They could refer to our twin as "your sibling" to make it gender neutral, as they usually do. I argue that this her refers to someone else, maybe our mother...
Now, why would we need to fight Dain over the right to save our mother (or sibling, whatever...)? To prove we are worther than him... Shouldn't that be a default? Could he refer to be strong willed enough? Strong enough? Didn't we prove that day after day until now?
Maybe he was the lover of this her...
And worthier than him to save this person... Does that mean he can use the loom of fate, too? Is he also a descender?
Did we get any indication of him being recorded in Iminsul? No... Did we get clues he might not be? Well... He was supposed to travel with our sibling but the aranaras don't seem to remember the other blonde nara having a travel companion. But we know he did have one and that it was Dain. We also know - although we did not see - that he has some different power than the folks of this world...
But how could he be a descender and how is he not recorded in Irminsul if he is from Khaenri'ah? Are we even sure that people from there - earlier than the cataclysm - are indeed recorded? Greater lord is, the history of this world seem to... But are the people of previous kingdoms recorded or we are just told they are? Maybe more is fake than just the sky...
Maybe this is a test field to see if the chosen ones have what it takes. To go back in time and save the real Khaenri'ah. And once the descenders fail, the world gets destroyed - or reset - so a new test cycle can be started. We are the 4th descender and this seems to be the 4th iteration.
About Keaya:
Yup, Caribert had an earing and so does Kaeya. I can see that. And his daddy didn't have one. But Caribert doesn't look like Kaeya at all! He however does look like the spitting image of his father - minus the wrinkles and earing. And his hair is a little bit longer, but not like Kaeya's. And their earings are different...
I remember talking to someone waaaay back when Enkanomiya dropped, who also believed the "her" Dain is talking about in the Travails is actually the twins mother. I remember that person's theory was based on the Parable of the Tree (one of the stories in the Before Sun and Moon book), and their theory then was that Dain was the Bough Keeper in the parable, and who fell in love with the Irminsul avatar portrayed in the story, and that both were the twins' parents - I thought it was a major crack theory even then, albeit an entertaining one, but seeing the description of the wings makes me kinda reconsider some of that theory lol (as in "maybe the twins HAVE other family out there). Tbh I'd not be mad if that's the case and done well in the future, since "family" is already the twins whole deal, even though I am more to believe the figure they forgot about is either a mentor, or the one who created them outside Teyvat, as artificial beings not unlike Albedo.
@@CelticBotansDigitalArt Yes, maybe it is someone else... A mentor, creator... I just think, that person will be someone else than Lumine. and a mother was the first to come to mind from that description...But I mean... What do we really know of this game? Dain comes, talks and the whole world is upside down again 😅
What if the traveler is the successful case of creating a descender but people at khaenriah mistook the sibling for the traveler and at the end of their joirney the sibling realized the truth and that all the memories are just fake
Wait ye cooketh
something that was already pointed out years ago
「你的故国已经覆灭,宫城万顷也化作尘沙。你是本 应该拥有世界,拥抱天地之人。**但亡国的末裔啊,请 不要悲叹这些逝去的时刻……**」
-KK
There a line about implication of Lumine being last of fallen nation.
Loom of Fate being specified as seprate from Irminsul really makes me think about the "future content" scene from Sumeru trailer
If Arle is a descendant of Khaenriah and has special eyes, it's somewhat safe to assume that other descenders might have special eyes as well. Maybe it's something in their genes/blood that creates those special eyes when they're mixed with other nationalities.
As for Loom, this quest made me even more sure that the Loom is an alternative to the White Cedar. Abyss' own version of Fate.
yes and yes!!!
pls it would be very cool if they were characters from a story written before the hexenzirkel existed (maybe a story about an active universe or just them book-hopping between different books someone wrote) bc then their escape into the world would then be mirrored by the new event and since they are not 'of this world (reality)' they didn't have constellations until they made their own in the system. Then the nice person they forgot could be their author and their purpose in travelling would be to find their author and/or where the author lived with the flowers they liked written into the story to decorate their home world. It would also be fun since all of hoyo's games that i can think of are sci-fi not fantasy save for genshin, and genshin literally being a fantasy game about a fantasy book would be verry interesting to me and almost humorous. It could also tie into different pasts colliding (different book pasts carried from the abyss sibling's memory and retroactively added into the irminsul database
Kaeya Impact !!
kaeyaspiracy! as in conspiracy theory that involves kaeya, and pirate is one of his motifs!! 🤯
ok slightly more srs comment, i've been latching on "inept god" as a repeating theme in genshin. but then again, powerful figures taking lives as they see fit to achieve their ideal, no matter how noble their original intention may be, is nothing new. there's the heavenly principles, then raiden, the akademiya, deshret, narzissenkreuz, etc. i won't be surprised if it's gonna be one of the main issues with the fatui too
you are getting at a theme that makes my brain go BRRRR with the inept god thing
This is actually just something Ive noticed as a recurring theme early on. In every nation we’ve had there has been at least one god that was doing what they believed was best for their people and was wrong or was actively holding humanity back.
Mondstat- decarabian: tried to protect his people by locking them in the city and that was hurting them instead of
liyue- zhongli: him being at the forefront actively held back humanity from reaching their potential and was no longer needed
Salt god: she refused to participate in the archon war and it backfired because her people understandably didn’t believe it would protect them
Inazuma-Ei: she promised unchanging eternity as a way to protect inazuma and ended up trapping them there, causing a Civil War over the vision hunt, and letting the Fatui do their stuff
Sumeru- King Deshret: tried to make a hive mind and introduced forbidden knowledge
Fontaine- focalors: not having the full authority over hydro meant that the people couldn’t be true humans until she and her throne were gone so Neuvillette could do what she couldn’t
Remus: tried to resist the prophecy by eliminating all possible threats and putting his people in stone bodies but ultimately just ran into the fall of Remuria
In my mind that is one of the biggest themes of genshin if not the biggest along with family(siblings especially).
roozevelt jumpscare......... mybrain will be fried and my smoke detector drained....
All things are quite alignment to certain theory that, Genshin it's the story about how the traveler became Void Archives-like, and the sibling it's the thing they control to shape the world's, meaning Genshin it's the spin off story of the very beginning of Hoyo-verse
But who knows, it's just a theory
THIS IS SO GOOD omg
I'm copy/pasting what I commented on another video, forgive! Your explanation of how Caribert can transcend time makes my theory work so I'm excited about that haha
"The reason we can't remember just the reunion part is because that all happened AFTER Caribert dissipated. We were then occupying an afterimage of a space in a consciousness that didn't exist anymore, so nothing that we experienced in those moments really existed either. It's a different situation from Irminsul, which can alter memories but not reality (ACTUALLY, that makes it sound like Irminsul is Celestia's version of a beta Loom of Fate, huh).
Except Caribet is the GOAT and snuck us a cheat memento before he peaced out WAHH RIP KING"
ETA: You reminded me of another of Dain's voicelines- "Defeat me, command me to step aside, show me that you are worthier than I to rescue her". Perhaps Lumine really is trapped by Teyvat/the Heavenly Principles, and Traveler will use their ability to use the Loom to manifest them (back?) into reality
The Loom of Fate is designed to weave new Ley Lines. Dottore was seen burning the Irminsul down
I'm starting to think the Fatui and the Abyss are working together temporarily to overthrow Celestia before the inevitable fight with the Abyss itself. There's just too many connected details not to make a theory
The quest said the loom of fate can't change what already happened done nor extend a ley line, but can create new lines, which is basically the power of the Herscherr of Reason from Honkai Impact 3rd, give tangibility to imagination. Welt used to be able to create a whole army from his imagination into reality.
If we talk about the hand gesture, I immediately remember the gesture of the HP or whoever in the beginning of the game when siblings are separated...
My first thought when they started to talk about implanting "fake memories" was that maybe the sibling was a fake memory turned real by the power of the completed Loom of Fate, which would mean that their journey was also just a fake memory. That would make sense with the sibling's records from Irminsul's database saying that the sibling is from Teyvat, even though the Traveller has memories of them travelling together, and coming from a different world. Also, the "fake sibling" could be either the Abyss Twin or the Traveller themself, who knows. But as the quest went on, I think its clear that the Loom of Fate was completed more recently, making this theory fall apart lol ....... unlessss
man I don't think it actually falls apart, and I've been on a "fake sibling" train for a while (e.g. I made a video on Rhinedottir/the primordial man that explores this)
Yas! Great minds think alike- I was immediately reminded of Ei’s 2nd quest, and even the description of petal kinda resembles the description of the picture we get at the end. I think Istaroth might have been kinda a bit involved into all of this especially the picture part because what else is a picture but a memory taken in one specific MOMENT? Thats my thin-foil hat theory 😅
Edit: i also hope someone will look into that “you are the only one who calls me like that in this world”. Names are important thing in Norse mythology and this got me thinking that traveler is basically Nameless throughout their entire journey- hell even Dain doesn’t call us by our name nor Paimon. Idk what to make out of it but i feel like its kinda important
i've literally been stunlocked by the "power of names" thing for a year so yes i agree mhm good stuff
Journey amongst the stars could be a reference to dreaming just laying in the sun peacefully together dreaming of adventures they would have together
I still think the term "descender" referring to those with a strong will is inaccurate tbh. Why would they be called descenders? What if someone outside of teyvat descended, but doesn't have the will? They descended from outside, but aren't descenders. On top of that, we've learned that the sibling isn't a descender specifically because there are records of them in irminsul. So my theory goes hand to hand with the art of khemia. Creations of khemia are constantly referred to as "beings from another world". These include rifthounds, the whale etc. that belong to another world but aren't descenders. So my theory is khemia is more like "summoning things into teyvat" rather than creating them. That way, things from another world skip the descending into teyvat step, and are bound to teyvat's laws. With how the siblings' arrival to teyvat is purposefully being held from us, I personally think it's possible that the abyss sibling was summoned to teyvat, while the traveler descended to teyvat on their own, making one bound by teyvat's laws while the other not. The land of teyvat is heavily guarded so things that force themselves in can become descenders, but things that are summoned into teyvat can't become descenders because they were summoned by the art of khemia which is a method invented and used directly by humans on teyvat. That's also why our sibling suddenly appeared in khaenri'ah, because our sibling was summoned in by a method primarily used by khaenri'ahns. And I think Elynas's existence supports this, because Elynas told us that before being born in dragon form, he was lingering around the cosmic darkness.
Too much crack theory? Idk lol
It messes up with the chronological timeline. The twins didn't enter Teyvat separately rather.
1. Twins entered Teyvat on Khaenriah and the Traveler slept while the Abyss Twin was regarded as royalty.
2. Sometime the Traveler finally woke up and explored Khaenriah along the other sibling (hence why they know about the Eclipse dynasty (eclipse tribe).
3. Cataclysm happens, the two tries to leave and got jumped by the Sustainer.
4. The Abyss Twin got sent back to Khaenriah while it's still being destroyed while the Traveler got sent straight to the Future in Mondstadt.
My theory is that since it involves time, the Abyss Twin got tampered by the Sustainer and thus lost their Descender status while the Traveler got saved by Istaroth and was sent to the future.
actually I now wonder if there are any connotations in the original CN used because I'm going off what Rene said. 'descender' is perhaps not the best they could have used. but I'm vibing with this idea of alchemy being important here. (also shameless self-promo but I made a video about the cosmic/primordial man a few months ago that delved into the topic of descenders and alchemy)
The term descender has always made me think that the Traveler has some connection to Celestia & the Heavenly Principles that they have forgotten. Because to descend would imply to come from above. People ascend to heaven. The word descend makes me think the Traveler came down from Celestia. And why would the sibling not be considered a descender too in that case? And to have the sibling be the head of the Abyss Order, which is BELOW Teyvat. Idk, it all seems to be pointing to something, I'm just not sure what in the slightest lol. Not enough has been explored about what the traveler and their sibling were truly up to before all this went down. Honestly, their connection to each other feels vague at best, and the Traveler never really mentions their past besides the single memory they have of traveling through worlds together. They have strong emotions about each other, but what else? What other memories are we missing about them being "twins"? It feels more like twins in a mythological or metaphorical sense and not so much a literal one? Like they are two sides of the same coin, light vs dark, etc etc.
Interesting you bring up the sacred Sakura planting situation. Remember what Makoto said during the cutscene: "Eternity extends time into infinity, dreams illuminate each moment within. When both shine in unison, the Sacred Sakura blooms from the darkness, *finally free from the clutches of the Heavenly Principles.*"
If Istaroth can weave leylines as you've theorized, this essentially means they helped create Inazuma's very own little Loom of Fate. An alternative to the leyline system that is out of bounds from Celestia. Could that be why Ei often had to deal with entities from the Dark Sea besides the nation's close proximity to it? Because the sacred Sakura tree developed a different albeit weaker leyline system that wasn't as good at protecting Inazuma as that of Irminsul's? Oh speculations upon speculations.....
Vsauce too is genshin lore
Or is he?
If the traveler was expected to forget everything that happened in Caribert’s world, why did they only remember their conversation with Caribert but just was unable to remember their reunion with their Sibling?
Because the convo with the sibling happened just as Caribert passed on. Without him there the realm of consciousness lost its stability.
Finally some Kaeya and Swan Knights videos🎉🎉🎉🎉 Love you Rooze! ❤❤❤
I still like the idea that the travelers maybe the children of Nibelungen (the dragon god/king)
I just had a very crazy idea when you mentioned the "inept god" line at the end while showing Lumine's conversation with Aether. Think about it. Abyss Sibling admits they don't know how to use the Loom of Fate. Yet they have this tool of literally fate creation at their disposal. What if Heavenly Principles (the Unknown God) IS the Abyss Sibling who somehow slipped into an alternative time frame? What if their inept operation of Loom of Fate caused the cataclysm and created this whole timeline mess? What if the game's opening scene is the Abyss Sibling from the future effectively sealing themselves in an attempt to stop these events from ever happening? In the conversation, Abyss Sibling also admits they "can't face" the Traveler. What if Heavenly Principles being dormant is them just becoming more and more avoidant with time and not quite knowing how to face the consequences of their actions or their dear sibling? Imagine how depressing the Traveler finally meeting "Heavenly Principles" would be then. :(
Maybe the siblings come from a different world that’s really similar to tevat. Like earth from hi3rd and ggz are both earths but are still different planets
Although I still think teyvat is like bubble worlds on mars in hi3rd, I just really like the idea of teyvat being a big domain and the waypoints being ether anchors holding it together
I'm here early xd Thank you! I always look forward to your videos
okay hear me out, why do i feel that the traveller and sibling DID BELONG TO KHANrea'h thousands of years ago because their outfits does seem like it was made in khanreah or at least in neighbouring human nations which might've existed alongside that, and by thousands I literally mean like 2000+ and since its a long long long time with so many windows to generate memory errors and stuff like that which the video showcased, not to mention that venti mentions that they've met long ago (I forgot where but it did happen), now as to why traveller feels super old and immortal despite my speculation that he belonged to a human nation, maybe something happened that completely changed teyvat and maybe it wasn't even known as teyvat, something more dire, maybe irminsul was not even planted at that time since it doesn't have any memories of traveller, as to why does it have the sibling's memory is because maybe she woke up and we kinda have a lore about that, maybe there was a much bigger "honkai" or a disaster at the time period which I am trying to describe which led to the creation of irminsul and it must've served a different purpose altogether than that we know of today, something in equivalence to cataclysm and as they say that abyss is the true sky and teyvat is the inner earth what if abyss was the actual civilisation in the question and they faced the honkai and maybe the honkai and were forced to turn their vision to teyvat for survival and those who couldn't escape to teyvat had to adapt thus "forbidden knowledge" and maybe those differences made teyvat and abyss enemies, and our traveller and siblings escaped and that's what they mention that their original home was destroyed, and years pass and since irminsul was planted AFTER and since irminsul isn't the only thing that can change memories and all, it all brings it down to the speculation that traveller's memories was also faultered making him believe that he's some descender and since irminsul was planted AFTER thus irminsul doesn't register it.
although it is very vague and all I just feel that it could be one out of a billion possibilities, if anyone feels like some thing is wrong do comment and we can discuss :D
Kaeya might be a halfblood in between khaenri'ah factions, as in, eclipsed moon and crimson moon, mixed with a bit of mondstadtian
The character we know is descendent of the blood moon dynasty has special eyes, maybe kaeya's right eye is like arlecchino's
I want to believe all the flower stuff is the sibbling testing the loom of fate on the traveller, bc the one supposed to love that flower is the sibbling, not the traveller (according to the traveil trailer and since we had never heard about that flower in game but in narcizze... Narciszje... Renes quest until now) so, it could be the sibbling testing the loom of fate, bc if it can change the travellers memories, it means it has enough power ti change decenders memories and/or create new leylines
I just assumed they were supposed to act as Voyager Satellites for a specific world, but when they found the flowers here they realized that the people from their world had already left their home and instead arrived and populated this place instead.
They even reference “summoning” the travelers, which may actually have been them activating some sort of function that called the Travelers from their journey to rendezvous with them on Teyvat.
They may no longer possess the magic that let them make the Travelers, so they wanted to use them as weapons against the gods of this new world. This may have also allowed them to reprogram one of them, incidentally. They may have even tried to rewrite their memories to make them more accommodating, but only finished the process with one of the twins, and not on the other.
My crack theory is that one of the siblings died and got resurrected or made into a homunculus or puppet. That'd explain why one is a descender and the other isn't, why the traveler is "recovering" their powers while the abyss twin kept theirs, why traveler!lumine "wakes up with flowers in her hair," why abyss!lumine looked so heartbroken in their latest animated short, why their journeys take place at different points in time. I have nothing to back this up except my tinfoil hat
My take on why the travellers "forgot" their meeting. (Tldr there was nothing to forget.)
The realm of conciousness was part of Caribert's power to create memories (or memoria, if you will), ie that space and the meeting with Caribert was remembered because he was alive and the loom still had the power to create memories. With the loom completed and Caribert gone, there was no ability to implant the memory of the siblings convo in their heads, and so with the collapse of the space so too did the unimplanted memory collapse.
The traveller woke up from their sleep without the memory of meeting the sibling left behind, because that memory was never created in the first place, while the memories of the meeting with Caribert were. Nothing was forgotten because there was nothing to forget.
The experience was had (and the emotions with it) which is how I explain the traveller having a vague sense of something having transpired; but the experience itself was the experience of a memory based power, and without the implanting of that memory it faded along with the realm of conciousness, because that realm WAS the memory.
Thats how I rationalize/explain it, anyhow.
This also leaves open the possibility of memory manipulation working on the traveller, because the experience itself was a memory, and one mostly implanted in the traveller post waking.
haven’t done the quest yet but i want to watch this so bad
Thanks for another great video!
I haven’t been able to play the new quest cause my internet has been out for a while, but Im excited to watch this when I finally can!
after quest edit: Was a great video as always :)
I thought the exact same thing about the moment of memory alteration with caribert and dainsleif in his consciousness not really being a flashback. The way they framed it did not feel like a flashback
I'm starting to think that Teyvat might actually be a dream world.
Lumine and the Sinners seem to make a big deal about "the truth of the world" for Teyvat and uh... THAT would be a pretty important secret for the Primordial One to try to keep away from his precious humans.
Especially when you remember that Irminsul's roots dig down into Teyvat... from the Abyss. And roots are about providing nutrition to a tree...
Aaaaand we already have had a concrete example of dreams being used as fuel to create an entire reality.
And this would fit in with things we've seen in the quests around Deshret and Remus and Alhaitham's Story Quest...
I think they need a memory to make real. I'm thinking of collei's dream, make the burning of irminsul real. They might have to lead a descender down a path that they will witness some specific things.
in enka, the achievements referencing hesperus and phosphorus, the evening and morning stars respectively, alongside kairos (istaroth) makes me believe that the twins would be one of the four shades of teyvat, given that they’re clearly meant to represent the morningstars.
i wouldn’t be surprised if the person whom the twins were forced to forget was one of the moon sisters, especially if said moon sister (looking at you goblet of void) became the heavenly principles and took over from the primordial one. it would definitely explain lumine knowing how fate is currently written by the heavenly principles because of her connection to the moon sisters. another one of the shades attempting to create a loom of fate seems to make the most sense, given basically no one else in teyvat has a connection to the moon sisters
oooo. interesting achievement thoughts. a lot to munch on here in general
Great Dain impression, you definitely should get into voice acting, Roo!👏👏👏
I'm pretty sure it would make sense to say that Kaeya is a half-blooded Khaenri'an considering he shares many similarities with people from Sumeru desert, especailly Dheya (same eye color and skin color) and Khaenri'ah is also located somewhere near Sumeru City underground.
About using Loom of Fate to its full potential, I think the word "full" is the keyword. Sure, she can create a few leylines here and there. But what would it change? The world has plenty of leylines already.
But it seems that she believes that with the right sort of leylines, she'll be able to fight the Heavenly Principles. Even if HP is just the Unknown God we saw in the beginning of the story, it would certainly take some special use of ley lines to be able to win.
About the twins' origins, it would make sense if the twins are children of the Primordial One, or maybe 2 of the Shining Shades, who were sent on a journey to find a way to deal with Second Who Came (or perhaps that was just an excuse to get them away from danger of war that the adults were fighting).
Obligatory German correction comment:
"Schwanenritter" literally means "Swan Knight", so you using it like the name of an organisations sounds really weird to me. It could be referred to "Orden der Schwanenritter" (order of the Swan Knights) or just as individuals (a Schwanenritter, a group of Schwanenritter).
That aside, I enjoyed the video a lot!
Thank you for another banger video Rooze!!!!🗣🌌
16:26 i really thought that this was gonna be the video where kaeya was mot mention, how foolish of me
HEHEHEHEHEHE
1:43 why the heck didn't the Traveler say anything like: Umm.... what were you going to say, Dainsleif?
Just a whole other reason why the Traveler being mute most of the time can be so irritating
I think the heavenly principles and abyss twin made a packed in where she'd striped the abyss twin of their divinity in making the gnosis while accompanying the traveller.
this is just me thinking out loud, there are a lot of scenes from trailers of some patches that didn’t show up in the game. if memories are manipulated is there a probability that they did happened and the traveller is just not remembering it that way?
Building upon the previous Istaroth cooking…its so beautiful…
While watching I was struck with the thought that the Loom and Istaroth may be one in the same. If they have the same/similar power, and that power involves reaching across time, why couldn't it have just... placed itself or its influence into the distant past? What that implies for the rest of the story I'm not sure yet, but the thought hit me like a truck and I had to write it down.
You are the best roozevelt ❤ cant wait tor 5.0 story
Welp, now I'm worried about my smoke alarm batteries...
OH FINALLY someone else mentioned Ei and Makoto’s story! I feel like a crazy person thinking I’m the only one does lol
The wording of not being able to 'extend' existing ley lines made me think of how somr people use a 'life line' on someone's palm to predict how long they'll live
Maybe it implies that you can't extend the duration of a Samsara cycle (which maybe can be calculated by the world end formula).....so Team Abyss will have to work within the time constraints that a cycle presents?
I'm a bit late to this, but I think there is a parallel between the abyss sibling stumbling upon the sea of flowers at the end of their journey, and Nilou subconsciously conjured the real padisarah in her dreamscape during Sumeru Archon Quest Act 2.
You might be onto something here...
Having not remember thing is different and memory alteration is different thing.
You can't change Traveller's memory(As for forgetting stuff, he forgot a lot of stuff about khanreiha as well, only remembers thing vaguely)
At the beginning, we were introduced to the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles. I know people are divided on the idea that either this person is the 1st Descender or not. I'm leaning toward being not, the Sustainer sounds more like Enforcer. Which would mean she's doing this at the Will of someone else, the Heavenly Principles. My current idea is the 1st Descender is King Irmin, who usurped Heaven.
This would also be why the Sinners are revolting, they are trying to fight their Father/King (former). This is also why someone like Kaeya is derisive toward the "Heavenly Principles", because they know the truth and are maybe disgusted at being related to this Usurper; whom he views as being inept at controlling fate.
This would also mean Dainsleif is working somewhat on the side Irmin, which would make a lot of sense why he sees his siblings as traitors and also, why he seems so conflicted about the greater conflict going on. And also, why we have to fight him, maybe its the Sustainer he was talking about 'saving' in the Trailer.
Kaeya is "Loki"
i wonder if Irminsul could do a sort of checksum to detect leyline fuckery
This is giving me questions on what tf did zhongli do to do adepti realms an if guizhong also had a hand on a loom of fate
Is the Abyss Twin tying to use the Loom of Fate to rewrite Teyvat WITHOUT The Heavenly Principles in it?
and how did Lumine have Cecilia flowers in her hair ever since before falling into Teyvat
I struggle understanding how Kaeya even is real at this point his relatives are imaginary like how did you do that? omg hoyo managed to put a really great dain quest yet again
We already knew that the Traveler's memories are prone to be tampered from Venti's opening line, where he greets the Traveler as if they had already met in the past. Now is the second time that we have evidence of their memory being altered.
Which makes me a tad uncomfortable, because doesn't that imply that he figured out very quickly this was an amnesia-ed traveler and decided to clam up? Why didn't he share any knowledge with them, even if it was just that they'd previously met before...?
zamn I totally forgot about that Venti voiceline because for years now it made me want to karate chop my desk. but good observation here!!!
Maybe Caribert didn't remember what his eyes looked like and just conflated his memory of his dad's eyes with his own. 😉
"The first crowned heir began her journey of seeking the pearl. But she was deceived, and the memory of her noble origins faded." And now we know that the Loom of Fate, which was up until this point uncompleted, can implant fake memories in its unrealized form. Could be that the sibling got their memories screwed with so they would to become the prince/ss of the abyss?
There's something strange going on because the abyss order calls the abyss twin either princess or Prince which I find strange cuz I'm starting to think that they're humans from A Different World because they know about the rest of the universe and they summoned the twins here 500 years ago. Which means there are two groups of humans ones from the Stars and ones from Earth 50,000 years ago in honkai the third.
Cuz we already know that there are other humans on different planets the twins prove this and Honkai star rail the rest of the universe is full of humans , humanoid aliens , normal aliens and the Khaenri 'ahans ancestors Come From Another World but after Celestia arrived and recreated the world hence why they don't worship the archons cuz they know their Origins they know that they're just artificial humans that were created by humans.
And the twins could actually be related to their King either their grandchildren or other relatives from another world cuz I do know that the usurpers or another group of humans from other worlds that tried to take over Celestia but failed obviously and we're banished Underground that's my theory so far. Because they have advanced technology, they know about other worlds, and they summon the twins from another world, and they accidentally created a portal to the abyss doing something and experimented with forbidden knowledge and there were six people involved including Dainsleif and his brother. Gold an alchemist who created Albedo, and the rest of the 6 sinners.
My theory is they were experimenting with forbidden knowledge and accidentally opened up a portal to the abyss which released monsters into the world and Celestia sent the Heavenly principal to pretty much Wipe Out the entire nation to prevent it from destroying the entire world it was either that or everyone else dies. But it seems to be Traveler doesn't remember all the details cuz I think some of his memory is missing because he's been asleep for 500 years. Obviously the abyss Twin remembers their past completely
wait so he stole the eye just for this? or is there a hidden meaning
I just want to know why the abyss consider the traveler as a descender but not the sibling.
It seems the sibling knows that they themself are not a descender therefor why wouldn’t the traveler be considered the same by the abyss?
It would make sense if they were both outlanders but only traveler is a descender because he has a will to change the world
However it seems like neither of them are really outlanders, at least the sibling is not. It implies tracker has different origins than the sibling ?
Crack theory:
I've identified as Gnostic for over a decade, and obviously this game leans heavily on those themes, with even the battle pass clip featuring the first half of the Gnostic Hymn of the Pearl.
In Gnosticism, there's a heavy emphasis on "two becoming one". Not only that, but the Supreme Diety (not the fake one that rules our fake world) exists as a two-in-one entity. To cut out a ton of context because I'm too lazy to explain more: "God" is actually two people in a trench coat. A divine feminine and a divine masculine. For all intents and purposes, they're a symbiosis of opposites, in love and creating, then creating with their creations. This entity is named Barbelos.
A google snippet about this entity:
>"In Gnosticism, Barbelo is a divine figure who is sometimes referred to as a "mother-father" or "thrice-named androgyne". Barbelo is considered the first emanation of God and the passive antecedent of creation. She is also known as Thought, Providence, Forethought, or Foreknowledge."
What if.... and hear me out..... what if there actually aren't any twins at all? What if they're both the same person, split in two and seperated? What if they must come to the same conclusion to rejoin and remember who they are, the true and divine god/dess of the realm?
That could(?) explain why only one of them is the descender. Because the Traveler is the key. They're actually both the descender. They're just two halves to one whole.
My theory, if prophecy = history, then fate = memory. I believe reincarnation exists in Genshin. When a character dies, they are recycled into Irminsul and are born again into the world. Their fate is already locked in with their previous life serving as a guide towards their future. It's interesting to look at Childe's constellation (fate) and see that his very first stella fortuna (star of destiny) is called Foul Legacy: Tide Withholder and that it has been fulfilled in the story. He held back the whale from further destroying Fontaine with the primordial sea. I'm not sure what his next stella fortuna (Foul Legacy: Understream) would mean in terms of his next steps in the story, but seeing them in sets of 2, Foul Legacy, Abyssal Mayhem, and Havoc implies he obtains more power. I believe Childe actually is the reincarnation of Ajax, lucky he got the same name again too. I also look at Kaeya's stella fortuna and see 2 have been fulfilled. He was born with excellent blood as a khaenri'ahn. When his father abandoned him at the winery, he told him "This is your chance. You are our last hope." But Kaeya did not convey this to Crepus, instead he played victim and pulled the 'dad left for milk and never came back card lol (actual words as told by Kaeya: "'I'll go get us some grape juice for the road,' he said, but he never came back."). That lie could have been the start of his stella fortune Never-Ending Performance.
Interesting note from the 4.7 quest: When Caribert was talking to the hilichurls, we see him as golden butterflies. There's also golden butterflies in his realm of consciousness. Also, HuTao who deals with the dead is surrounded by golden butterflies (constellation, skill, her dash, etc).