The reason why The Ultimate Warrior was chosen to wrestle Hulk Hogan at Wrestlemania VI was *because* he was a huge draw in terms of merchandise and gate numbers. They even had he and Hogan tour separately because Warrior was over enough to headline shows himself. I keep hearing all this nonsense about how the Warrior didn't draw as champion. I don't buy that. Warrior wasn't MORE over than Hogan as champion, but he was at the very least AS over as Hogan from 1989-1991 as both Intercontinental Heavyweight Champion and World Heavyweight Champion. The Warrior was a lot like Brock Lesnar. Wrestling was not his passion, but his job and he took his job seriously. He punched a clock and people took exception to that. Wrestlers were jealous of the money he was making and the fact that he did it HIS way instead of the "traditional" way and if the Warrior was not a draw than there is no way Vince would have paid him as much money as he did. According to Allen Coage (Bad News Brown) Warrior asked him how much money should he tell Vince to pay him for his WMVI match with Hogan. Allen said "Ask for 1 million. Hogan is getting 1 million, and he can't wrestle himself. The worst thing he can do is say no." So Warrior asked for 1 million, and he got it. Again, Vince doesn't give money out if he doesn't see a return on his investment. He only had one meaningful feud as champion too BTW. His feud with Rick Rude in the summer of '90 was old news. We had already seen that and Rude was gone just a few short months later anyway. His feud with Savage was gold and stole the show at Wrestlemania VII. They did strip him of the belt because he wasn't a draw. They stripped him of the belt because Hogan was all done in Hollywood making another bad movie and wanted "his" title back. So they made an excuse to get the belt off of Warrior. Of course he didn't care which probably further pissed them off. He was about doing his job, and making that money.
D2K: Fucking awesome bro! Not JUST because I agree with your personal positive feelings about the warrior because that's secondary to the truth no matter what! It's awesome because your just TELLING THE TRUTH!!!!! It's all out there & easy to find if your interested in truth! Yes I love the warrior but I'd never say he, or anybody including MYSELF, is right all the time just because I like them. My world don't work that way, but on the matters you touched on you are right & HE was in the right! Damn a lil long winded sorry bro haha just enjoyed seeing the truth for once!!
Spot on. For me as a kid something about warrior was special. To me he was not Brock but more Goldberg. His entrance made you pumped for the match and even if it was shit from an Indy template the finish was always full of energy. Hogan was never that guy for me and with a lot of other kids they loved warriors attitude and look coming out the gate. As kids that's how we judge and only thing hogan ever did for me was think that I could reach a point of being beat down so bad that I would snap and hulk up and run shit. Good times
Warrior's match against Hogan at WM6 was easily he's best match of his career. I thought that maybe Hogan and him would have a decent rematch in WCW but wow! that stunk!
Hugh Mills It’s a matter of opinion but actually you are correct. I completely forgot about that one. I admit I grew up more of a NWA/WCW fan, One of my best friends growing up love WWF but it was weird because we live in North Carolina and it’s the 80s and he didn’t care to watch WCW at all lol but in hand I did watch some WWF here and there in the late 80’s glad I didn’t stop watching WWF until Ric Flair went there. I admit that era of WWF isn’t one of my strong points When it comes to remembering matches. But you are correct, well I agree with your opinion I should say. I put his match with Savage at number one then the Hogan match at WM 6 at number 2.
Respect to that, i personally thung the Savage match was his best one. However the Hogan match and how great it was lends itself to the genius of Patt Patterson. He laid out the entire match step by step
In my opinion, The Ultimate Warrior should've gone into the WWE Hall-Of-Fame in 2003.; I said it, back then & I still stick by that, now. He finally got the long over-due honor, this year.; Great!
I heard that match was him being punished for the Iron Curtain incident, at least I think that's what it's called. It was when he, Shawn, Nash and Hall had their huge embrace in the ring after Hall & Nash's last match before heading to WCW
The thing about the whole SummerSlam '91 Warrior situation is that there are three sides to the story Vince's recollection, Warrior's recollection and the truth which is somewhere between the two. There are probably some kernels of truth to each side of the story because they are based on truth but the overall truth is lost between the two because of personal feelings on both sides getting in the way.
Does anyone know where to find the court transcripts online for the Warrior/WWE trial? I heard they went really in depth into the Self Destruction DVD and how much bs it was.
everyone else walked to the ring.warrior hauled ass to the ring.he was the best and a lot of jealous people(other wrestlers) looked like librarians during interviews and during their way to the ring.i give the guy credit for being himself.he was an original.roids or no roids.look how many other wrestlers,including chyna,have done steroids.he had all the elements.still my favorite next to Austin and Goldberg.
The "Warrior", Jim Hellwig seems like the type of guy that is constantly angry with everyone & everything in the world, he probably thinks the world has gone mad, i wonder if the cold light of day has hit him yet & he suddenly realizes that it isn't the world & the people in it thats crazy, but rather himself - The "Warrior" Jim Hellwig, i mean you would have to be pretty whacked out to call yourself "Warrior" 24/7, it seems like he never could leave the day job where it belonged. On a side note though, it is LONG overdue that Randy Savage should be in the WWE HOF, cmon Vince, wake up, induct him already
Erik Koodah Wish I could give you 3 THUMBS UP! The world would function so much better if there weren't so many B.S. operators running around messing it up for the rest of us. It's not enough to just be "normal" you almost have to be super-human--a Warrior!
I've heard Randy wanted his family inducted as well as himself, according to his brother. I don't think the rest of his family is worthy of the HOF, neither is Koko B. Ware, but anyway if that's what happens to be done…Vince should just do it BUT Randy should be the centerpiece of inducting the family. Maybe even doing a double one where he invites the Poffo Family and also Randy Savage alone. Something can be done.
ALL ABOUT THE MONEY! AND POSITION..STILL WARRIOR SHOCKED THEN HELL OUT OF ALL WITH HIS CHARACTER, IT SOLD!! ..THEY WERE ALL CRAZY AND SOME WERE ENVIOUS!!
Warrior's match at Wrestlemania 12 was pretty memorable. There are a few videos on RUclips I'm sure about the "great books of the Western World" presented by Warrior. Or something crazy ramblings. Warrior was a unique being...
I never liked ultimate warrior vs triple h at wrestlemania. Other than that I respect the ultimate warrior alot. Their were rumors ultimate warrior had a double.
Just because Vince made a deal with Warrior 6 weeks before Summer Slam, doesn't mean Warrior still didn't try to get more out of Vince before the Summer Slam match.
Savage isn't in because his stupid brother won't let him go in unless their dad and himself go in as well. According to Lanny, Randy would only accept the HoF offer if Lanny and Angelo were to go in with him. I don't think Vince cares so much for letting Angelo in, but it seems he wants Lanny no where near being aloud in.
I'm glad everybody is getting up in Vince and WWE's ass. I can't remember if it was Funk, Raven, or Bischoff who said that while they WWE doesn't care about what people think, they didn't like them because those DVD's and WWE Confidential pieces would come back to haunt them down the road. WCW got four burials, Stone Cold got buried, Ultimate Destruction they pretty much blew their was on his career and the fans that loved him, and lets not forget the DVD that was planned for Bret had he not stepped in (Screwed the Bret Hart story).
Great Books of the Western World was a series put out by Encyclopedia Britannica. It's not surprising that mush-mouth college students have never heard of it. We've dumbed down our standards to where even people who are functionally illiterate can get in to many universities.
It's not like the WWF helped their cause much in making Warrior's title run successful. The only significant feud I remember them booking for him during that time was against Rick Rude. Hogan got Piper, Bundy, Andre, and Savage during his golden run. Some of the most iconic names in the history of the business. Warrior got Rude who was a great talent, but was never perceived by the fans as a top heel. Wrestling title runs are only as good as the booking. There were lots of guys on the roster they could've built some cool storylines around. Warrior vs. Mr. Perfect would've been huge. They could've had Warrior/Earthquake after Quake demolished Hogan. Warrior/Savage for the belt at WM7, then Warrior could've transitioned right into his feud with the Undertaker as champ. So many missed opportunities. His title run was forgettable because they didn't book anything worth remembering.
Riggan, good point. I am not a fan of Warrior and I question WWE for inducting Warrior into their Hall of Fame. That's like getting terminated from McDonalds and then being honored 20 years later.
I wonder if the truth still lies somewhere in the middle. Yes, this proves Vince is lying when he pretends like he was blindsided, but it doesn't mean that Warrior didn't hold him up for more money on the day of Summerslam. Could easily see Warrior finding out he was being paid less than Hogan for that show, getting into an argument with Vince and demanding he get the same pay for the show, Vince having to do it because he was over a barrel, and then firing him right after.
No vince agreed 6 weeks before summerslam to the new contact, he had no intention of honoring the new contract and simply waited until after summerslam to suspend warrior, mcmahon even stated in the suspension letter to warrior that he would not honor the new terms of the contract after the 90 day suspension was over. usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/4-jwgoy2y.jpg?w=1000&h=1294 www.thecoli.com/threads/ultimate-warriors-1991-letter-to-vince.247772/
The speech at Solomonster's college was a disturbing, bizarre hilarious story. How does Warrior's ability to throw a college student through a table prove he didn't use steroids? But sometimes the showmanship needs to end, and we have to take some of life's situations more seriously. The Warrior wrote a really negative article about Curt Hennig right after Hennig died. It may have been Hennig's own decision to use drugs that led to his death, but it's disrespectful to the family and friends of a deceased loved one to say that kind of stuff in public.
Why do people only quote the first part of the "queering doesn't make the world work". Nobody says what he said after...about how he doesn't care if the dude sleeps with another dude but if they do, please give him a call in 9 months and tell him what happened. IE..no baby...which was his point about it not working in the context of what he was talking about...tell the whole story or dot tell the story at all is my thought
hogan and vince just like flair and crockett were friends, and it was hard to unseat your best friend as the champ. pending jailtime was the only thing strong enough to break the vince and hogan friendship
This DVD is NOT full of lies. Some people just can't handle the truth. The warrior was a selfish asshole and I bet most of the criticism are true on this dvd (except anything HHHHHHHH says - fuck him). JUST BECAUSE THE MAN DIED DOESN'T MEAN HE WASN'T A JACKASS BACK IN THE DAY. And I love the way the WWE tries to re write history now and say what a wonderful man he was so they can make $$$$$$$. Shameful. Like I said he was a selfish prick that didn't give a shit about the business. This DVD is accurate and sorry but THE TRUTH HURTS!
Juan Jimenez Yeah Shawn was really an ass back in the 90's he wanted things go his way all the way and back in 95 he so called quit cause he lost his smile and didn't feel like wrestling. later it was reported he didn't want to job to other wrestlers and didn't want others to be on top
RatedRKJerichO bad news brown macho man owen hart many guys got along with warrior the only one who didnt were the once in the kliq or vince puppet like hogan
As you read more about "the business" everyone was a scumbag and out for themselves. By far without a shadow of a doubt the biggest scumbag of all and the one who will never have to worry about money is Vince. So reading people all butthurt about how 'he held Vince up' is hilarious..awww that poor guy. Are you hurt that he did that to poor ole honest Vince? He treated stasr who made him money like shit so there's no telling how he treated the countless low mid card glorified jobbers though the years. He encouraged and made worse the steroid drug culture of 80's and does have a hand in early deaths. Harrassed women, abused power & coerced sex, cheated on family pretty much right in front of them, etc ,etc. This is just the type of stuff from courts filings and eyewitness accounts, a reputation he has always had. Who knows about all the other even darker shit that gets floated around. But that one day the UW got a few extra dollars from him. Cry me a river. HBK #1 then UW are prob my two all time favs. I'd say HBK was probably more of a POS then UW. In the end I kind of respect UW more. Almost everyone was used up by Vince and "the business" and that was just always the way it was. He looked out for himself and got his. No early death or fighting through crippling injuries to perform in his late 30's and 40's. I also dont care what a pos HBK was and can rationalize that. He put on the greatest show and matches for everyone. He was awesome in the Rockers. Ever since he threw Jannety through the Barber Shop window he was always in interesting stories, capturing the fans imaginations and entertaining the masses like few in the company. He is one of the best and he is a pos just like most of the other top and even mediocre guys. So I don't seethe big deal about any of it. All time scumbags Vince and Hogan are above UW, HBK, Kliq by far. But no use crying about that either. Vince made it all and Hogan entertained everyone at one point.
the reason Randy Savage isn't in yet is cos the Poffo family refuse to have him in there unless they put the Poffo family in the Hall of Fame, which is selfish, but i'm sure WWE will just find a way in this. p.s. i may be wrong with my facts
No, that's correct. There's an interview floating around of Lanny Poffo basically saying he wouldn't cooperate with or contribute anything to a HoF induction unless the whole Poffo family was inducted. It's ridiculous.
You people are seriously messed up running James Helwig in to the dirt with a self satisfied smirk sickens me, three seconds in I could tell the direction this would go in. JH should have rightfully broken the Hulk Hogan monopoly and choke hold on the business to allow development of the industry and fresh ideas. What you are doing is trashing the notion of independence because you don't think for your selves. JH took the fall for the whole industry, all wrestlers took steroids back then and probably still do but he was maliciously slandered and humiliated for years without any real reason except Hogan and V M (two sick people by the way) felt threatened by him. I think deep down you know that constantly kicking a guy when he is down is the sign off the worst kind of coward, to take his career, name and memory apart like this is disgusting. Imagine what his family think of this, shame on you.
The whole Warrior holding up WWF at Summerslam 91 is such b.s, look at the date on the letterhead July 13 1991, then go look up the date Flair left WCW & signed with WWF in 91, it's only a couple days apart, think Warrior heard Flair was coming in & wanted money before Flair got it, just my opinion.
From a legal standpoint, Vince would not have had to honor Warrior's demands based on what has been told about this incident. There is a rule in contract law called the 'Pre-Existing Duty' rule. It means that one side cannot demand more from an existing contract without promising something that had not previously been agreed too. So, if the Warrior was already contracted to perform at Summer Slam (and had his merch agreement, etc.), he cannot enforce a promise of more stuff from the same contract without giving Vince something in return (which would make it a new contract). Even if Vince had agreed to pay him more and give him more perks on an existing deal, he could still stiff the Warrior on it unless the Warrior agreed to new terms as well because they already had a contract in place. It would be like Tom Brady having a contract in place but then right before a playoff game telling the Pats he wouldn't play unless they guaranteed him an extra million. The Pats could agree and then tell him to fuck off when he tries to collect.
In the letter Vince sent to Warrior on 8/26/91, notifying him of his suspension, he explicitly states that Jim threatened to no-show SummerSlam. If it never happened, he wouldn't have put it in the memorandum.
It was a lie about the timing, but WWE was telling the truth about Warrior holding up the WWF for money (The half a million was his Wrestlemania VII pay day that they lowballed him on) or else he wouldn't work SummerSlam 1991.
I liked this clip, but I have to say that in no way does this letter prove Vince is lying. Vince's claim was that Warrior came up to him the night of the show and demanded more money or he wouldn't perform. Vince never said they had not negotiated other things prior to the show.
Yeah, the "queering doesn't make the world go around" comment was great...esp coming from a guy that would wear the gayest colors of all time.....but that's the Warrior for ya....
Ultimate Warrior was one of the most over-hyped boring wrestler after he ran out to the ring and used up his energy shaking the ropes, and his music was only so so compared to the likes of Gangrels music and a few others etc. Warrior sounded like a complete idiot with his interview shoots as well.
The reason why The Ultimate Warrior was chosen to wrestle Hulk Hogan at Wrestlemania VI was *because* he was a huge draw in terms of merchandise and gate numbers. They even had he and Hogan tour separately because Warrior was over enough to headline shows himself.
I keep hearing all this nonsense about how the Warrior didn't draw as champion. I don't buy that. Warrior wasn't MORE over than Hogan as champion, but he was at the very least AS over as Hogan from 1989-1991 as both Intercontinental Heavyweight Champion and World Heavyweight Champion.
The Warrior was a lot like Brock Lesnar. Wrestling was not his passion, but his job and he took his job seriously. He punched a clock and people took exception to that. Wrestlers were jealous of the money he was making and the fact that he did it HIS way instead of the "traditional" way and if the Warrior was not a draw than there is no way Vince would have paid him as much money as he did.
According to Allen Coage (Bad News Brown) Warrior asked him how much money should he tell Vince to pay him for his WMVI match with Hogan. Allen said "Ask for 1 million. Hogan is getting 1 million, and he can't wrestle himself. The worst thing he can do is say no." So Warrior asked for 1 million, and he got it. Again, Vince doesn't give money out if he doesn't see a return on his investment.
He only had one meaningful feud as champion too BTW. His feud with Rick Rude in the summer of '90 was old news. We had already seen that and Rude was gone just a few short months later anyway. His feud with Savage was gold and stole the show at Wrestlemania VII. They did strip him of the belt because he wasn't a draw. They stripped him of the belt because Hogan was all done in Hollywood making another bad movie and wanted "his" title back. So they made an excuse to get the belt off of Warrior. Of course he didn't care which probably further pissed them off. He was about doing his job, and making that money.
D2K: Fucking awesome bro! Not JUST because I agree with your personal positive feelings about the warrior because that's secondary to the truth no matter what! It's awesome because your just TELLING THE TRUTH!!!!! It's all out there & easy to find if your interested in truth! Yes I love the warrior but I'd never say he, or anybody including MYSELF, is right all the time just because I like them. My world don't work that way, but on the matters you touched on you are right & HE was in the right! Damn a lil long winded sorry bro haha just enjoyed seeing the truth for once!!
the truth
Thanks!
D2K: Of course bro & I should be the one saying thank you!!!!
Same thing with Sid, he was more over than Hogan in 1992 and they sabotaged his push as well just to keep Hogan happy, bullshit
Spot on. For me as a kid something about warrior was special. To me he was not Brock but more Goldberg. His entrance made you pumped for the match and even if it was shit from an Indy template the finish was always full of energy. Hogan was never that guy for me and with a lot of other kids they loved warriors attitude and look coming out the gate. As kids that's how we judge and only thing hogan ever did for me was think that I could reach a point of being beat down so bad that I would snap and hulk up and run shit. Good times
Warrior's match against Hogan at WM6 was easily he's best match of his career. I thought that maybe Hogan and him would have a decent rematch in WCW but wow! that stunk!
Brian Rose False. The Career ending match with Savage was his best match.
Hugh Mills It’s a matter of opinion but actually you are correct. I completely forgot about that one. I admit I grew up more of a NWA/WCW fan, One of my best friends growing up love WWF but it was weird because we live in North Carolina and it’s the 80s and he didn’t care to watch WCW at all lol but in hand I did watch some WWF here and there in the late 80’s glad I didn’t stop watching WWF until Ric Flair went there. I admit that era of WWF isn’t one of my strong points When it comes to remembering matches. But you are correct, well I agree with your opinion I should say. I put his match with Savage at number one then the Hogan match at WM 6 at number 2.
Respect to that, i personally thung the Savage match was his best one. However the Hogan match and how great it was lends itself to the genius of Patt Patterson. He laid out the entire match step by step
In my opinion, The Ultimate Warrior should've gone into the WWE Hall-Of-Fame in 2003.; I said it, back then & I still stick by that, now.
He finally got the long over-due honor, this year.; Great!
+tthomaselli2 edge is right, started up again in 2004. why 2003 thomas out of curiosity?
I agree....Never thought Warrior would be in the HOF after that DVD
That Wrestlemania match against Triple H was ridiculous. Perhaps that's where Trips learned how to bury people.
I heard that match was him being punished for the Iron Curtain incident, at least I think that's what it's called. It was when he, Shawn, Nash and Hall had their huge embrace in the ring after Hall & Nash's last match before heading to WCW
That was Warriors return, he got to decide how it went down. What else would you expect?
One of the greatest memories in the history of this sport.
The MSG incident happened in May 1996, a month after WM 12.
As a 10 year old kid watching that live it was incredible lol but yeah looking back what the hell haha
LMAO at Darren Young inducting Warrior!!
I loved watching Warrior's insane promos.
Warrior was among my favorite wrestlers.
The actual story starts at 8:30.
That cocaine and steroids are hell of a drugs. that line about 85% of the promos was hilarious.
The thing about the whole SummerSlam '91 Warrior situation is that there are three sides to the story Vince's recollection, Warrior's recollection and the truth which is somewhere between the two.
There are probably some kernels of truth to each side of the story because they are based on truth but the overall truth is lost between the two because of personal feelings on both sides getting in the way.
RIP Macho Man
what the hell are you on about Macho Man is still alive
Absolutely You're right!
Macho man is alive in all of us
+Marco Dauria ooohhhhhh yeah!
Does anyone know where to find the court transcripts online for the Warrior/WWE trial? I heard they went really in depth into the Self Destruction DVD and how much bs it was.
Your username: instant respect.
Classic Edge references make me happy. XD
tarot9230 Thank you goor sir!
i heard that sid justice/vicious was the ref in that match as he was injured at the time
everyone else walked to the ring.warrior hauled ass to the ring.he was the best and a lot of jealous people(other wrestlers) looked like librarians during interviews and during their way to the ring.i give the guy credit for being himself.he was an original.roids or no roids.look how many other wrestlers,including chyna,have done steroids.he had all the elements.still my favorite next to Austin and Goldberg.
The "Warrior", Jim Hellwig seems like the type of guy that is constantly angry with everyone & everything in the world, he probably thinks the world has gone mad, i wonder if the cold light of day has hit him yet & he suddenly realizes that it isn't the world & the people in it thats crazy, but rather himself - The "Warrior" Jim Hellwig, i mean you would have to be pretty whacked out to call yourself "Warrior" 24/7, it seems like he never could leave the day job where it belonged. On a side note though, it is LONG overdue that Randy Savage should be in the WWE HOF, cmon Vince, wake up, induct him already
on a serious note though, RIP WARRIOR
Erik Koodah Wish I could give you 3 THUMBS UP! The world would function so much better if there weren't so many B.S. operators running around messing it up for the rest of us. It's not enough to just be "normal" you almost have to be super-human--a Warrior!
Warrior versus the students of UConn to this day ranks as one of the greatest videos in Internet history.
Probably the most unbiased pieces I've listened to on this event.
I've heard that Macho Man wanted his whole family in the Hall of Fame as a wrestling family instead and Vince didn't want to go for that
That was Randy's wish after he saw all the Von Erich's inducted
Uncmike1969 Vince is a piece of crap.
even though warrior is probably out of his mind, vince should apologize for that DVD
I've heard Randy wanted his family inducted as well as himself, according to his brother. I don't think the rest of his family is worthy of the HOF, neither is Koko B. Ware, but anyway if that's what happens to be done…Vince should just do it BUT Randy should be the centerpiece of inducting the family. Maybe even doing a double one where he invites the Poffo Family and also Randy Savage alone. Something can be done.
ALL ABOUT THE MONEY! AND POSITION..STILL WARRIOR SHOCKED THEN HELL OUT OF ALL WITH HIS CHARACTER, IT SOLD!! ..THEY WERE ALL CRAZY AND SOME WERE ENVIOUS!!
His promos were awesome.
Why the HELL would any college waste money bringing in the Warrior to speak, that Dean should have been fired immediatly!!!
Warrior's match at Wrestlemania 12 was pretty memorable. There are a few videos on RUclips I'm sure about the "great books of the Western World" presented by Warrior. Or something crazy ramblings. Warrior was a unique being...
I never liked ultimate warrior vs triple h at wrestlemania. Other than that I respect the ultimate warrior alot.
Their were rumors ultimate warrior had a double.
Just because Vince made a deal with Warrior 6 weeks before Summer Slam, doesn't mean Warrior still didn't try to get more out of Vince before the Summer Slam match.
Savage isn't in because his stupid brother won't let him go in unless their dad and himself go in as well. According to Lanny, Randy would only accept the HoF offer if Lanny and Angelo were to go in with him. I don't think Vince cares so much for letting Angelo in, but it seems he wants Lanny no where near being aloud in.
savage has said that he wanted his dad in the hof, but i didnt know he also said lanny lol
According to Lanny, yeah he demanded it. I think it is a extremely stupid demand as Lanny Poffo is only really known for being Mr. Perfect's Manager.
Yeah i saw that letter too. I think it is on Warriors wikipedia page.
I'm glad everybody is getting up in Vince and WWE's ass. I can't remember if it was Funk, Raven, or Bischoff who said that while they WWE doesn't care about what people think, they didn't like them because those DVD's and WWE Confidential pieces would come back to haunt them down the road. WCW got four burials, Stone Cold got buried, Ultimate Destruction they pretty much blew their was on his career and the fans that loved him, and lets not forget the DVD that was planned for Bret had he not stepped in (Screwed the Bret Hart story).
Great Books of the Western World was a series put out by Encyclopedia Britannica. It's not surprising that mush-mouth college students have never heard of it. We've dumbed down our standards to where even people who are functionally illiterate can get in to many universities.
It's not like the WWF helped their cause much in making Warrior's title run successful. The only significant feud I remember them booking for him during that time was against Rick Rude. Hogan got Piper, Bundy, Andre, and Savage during his golden run. Some of the most iconic names in the history of the business. Warrior got Rude who was a great talent, but was never perceived by the fans as a top heel. Wrestling title runs are only as good as the booking. There were lots of guys on the roster they could've built some cool storylines around. Warrior vs. Mr. Perfect would've been huge. They could've had Warrior/Earthquake after Quake demolished Hogan. Warrior/Savage for the belt at WM7, then Warrior could've transitioned right into his feud with the Undertaker as champ. So many missed opportunities. His title run was forgettable because they didn't book anything worth remembering.
Riggan, good point.
I am not a fan of Warrior and I question WWE for inducting Warrior into their Hall of Fame. That's like getting terminated from McDonalds and then being honored 20 years later.
I wonder if the truth still lies somewhere in the middle. Yes, this proves Vince is lying when he pretends like he was blindsided, but it doesn't mean that Warrior didn't hold him up for more money on the day of Summerslam. Could easily see Warrior finding out he was being paid less than Hogan for that show, getting into an argument with Vince and demanding he get the same pay for the show, Vince having to do it because he was over a barrel, and then firing him right after.
No vince agreed 6 weeks before summerslam to the new contact, he had no intention of honoring the new contract and simply waited until after summerslam to suspend warrior, mcmahon even stated in the suspension letter to warrior that he would not honor the new terms of the contract after the 90 day suspension was over. usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/4-jwgoy2y.jpg?w=1000&h=1294
www.thecoli.com/threads/ultimate-warriors-1991-letter-to-vince.247772/
The speech at Solomonster's college was a disturbing, bizarre hilarious story. How does Warrior's ability to throw a college student through a table prove he didn't use steroids? But sometimes the showmanship needs to end, and we have to take some of life's situations more seriously. The Warrior wrote a really negative article about Curt Hennig right after Hennig died. It may have been Hennig's own decision to use drugs that led to his death, but it's disrespectful to the family and friends of a deceased loved one to say that kind of stuff in public.
Maybe Stephanie didn't want Randy Savage in either...
Why do people only quote the first part of the "queering doesn't make the world work". Nobody says what he said after...about how he doesn't care if the dude sleeps with another dude but if they do, please give him a call in 9 months and tell him what happened. IE..no baby...which was his point about it not working in the context of what he was talking about...tell the whole story or dot tell the story at all is my thought
i actually own the "self destruction of the ultimate warrior" DVD and i like that dvd
And your a complete Moron then !! #RIPWarrior !!
Demetreus Cross I also have a my copy of it. Also have the one with everyone praising him after his death. Anything for money.
Fuck Warrior.
Warrior didn't have any problem wrestling Orlando Jordan a few years ago
Probably 'cause the almighty dollar always trumps anyone's personal values.
hogan and vince just like flair and crockett were friends, and it was hard to unseat your best friend as the champ. pending jailtime was the only thing strong enough to break the vince and hogan friendship
Skronk! Destrucity!
RIP Warrior !!!
This DVD is NOT full of lies. Some people just can't handle the truth. The warrior was a selfish asshole and I bet most of the criticism are true on this dvd (except anything HHHHHHHH says - fuck him). JUST BECAUSE THE MAN DIED DOESN'T MEAN HE WASN'T A JACKASS BACK IN THE DAY. And I love the way the WWE tries to re write history now and say what a wonderful man he was so they can make $$$$$$$. Shameful. Like I said he was a selfish prick that didn't give a shit about the business. This DVD is accurate and sorry but THE TRUTH HURTS!
Juan Jimenez Yeah Shawn was really an ass back in the 90's he wanted things go his way all the way and back in 95 he so called quit cause he lost his smile and didn't feel like wrestling. later it was reported he didn't want to job to other wrestlers and didn't want others to be on top
Amen! Warrior was a pompous ass back then. I guess he mellowed a lot in recent years, but he was a douche to everybody when he was on top.
Bullshit. I talked shit about that asshole for 20 years. He was a jackass and just cause he died doesn't change the facts.
RatedRKJerichO bad news brown macho man owen hart many guys got along with warrior the only one who didnt were the once in the kliq or vince puppet like hogan
พีระพล วงศ์ทอง Wrong.
As you read more about "the business" everyone was a scumbag and out for themselves. By far without a shadow of a doubt the biggest scumbag of all and the one who will never have to worry about money is Vince. So reading people all butthurt about how 'he held Vince up' is hilarious..awww that poor guy. Are you hurt that he did that to poor ole honest Vince?
He treated stasr who made him money like shit so there's no telling how he treated the countless low mid card glorified jobbers though the years. He encouraged and made worse the steroid drug culture of 80's and does have a hand in early deaths. Harrassed women, abused power & coerced sex, cheated on family pretty much right in front of them, etc ,etc. This is just the type of stuff from courts filings and eyewitness accounts, a reputation he has always had. Who knows about all the other even darker shit that gets floated around. But that one day the UW got a few extra dollars from him. Cry me a river.
HBK #1 then UW are prob my two all time favs. I'd say HBK was probably more of a POS then UW. In the end I kind of respect UW more. Almost everyone was used up by Vince and "the business" and that was just always the way it was. He looked out for himself and got his. No early death or fighting through crippling injuries to perform in his late 30's and 40's.
I also dont care what a pos HBK was and can rationalize that. He put on the greatest show and matches for everyone. He was awesome in the Rockers. Ever since he threw Jannety through the Barber Shop window he was always in interesting stories, capturing the fans imaginations and entertaining the masses like few in the company. He is one of the best and he is a pos just like most of the other top and even mediocre guys. So I don't seethe big deal about any of it. All time scumbags Vince and Hogan are above UW, HBK, Kliq by far. But no use crying about that either. Vince made it all and Hogan entertained everyone at one point.
you can thank them cocain and riods for his anger and agitation at your school
the reason Randy Savage isn't in yet is cos the Poffo family refuse to have him in there unless they put the Poffo family in the Hall of Fame, which is selfish, but i'm sure WWE will just find a way in this.
p.s. i may be wrong with my facts
No, that's correct. There's an interview floating around of Lanny Poffo basically saying he wouldn't cooperate with or contribute anything to a HoF induction unless the whole Poffo family was inducted. It's ridiculous.
destructinator Supposedly that was Randy's wishes, that he only wanted go in with his family after seeing the Von Erichs go in together.
You people are seriously messed up running James Helwig in to the dirt with a self satisfied smirk sickens me, three seconds in I could tell the direction this would go in. JH should have rightfully broken the Hulk Hogan monopoly and choke hold on the business to allow development of the industry and fresh ideas. What you are doing is trashing the notion of independence because you don't think for your selves. JH took the fall for the whole industry, all wrestlers took steroids back then and probably still do but he was maliciously slandered and humiliated for years without any real reason except Hogan and V M (two sick people by the way) felt threatened by him. I think deep down you know that constantly kicking a guy when he is down is the sign off the worst kind of coward, to take his career, name and memory apart like this is disgusting. Imagine what his family think of this, shame on you.
That Self-Destruction DVD will never be forgotten,no matter how wwe try to forget it.
Hogan loved trashing Warrior in that Dvd
The whole Warrior holding up WWF at Summerslam 91 is such b.s, look at the date on the letterhead July 13 1991, then go look up the date Flair left WCW & signed with WWF in 91, it's only a couple days apart, think Warrior heard Flair was coming in & wanted money before Flair got it, just my opinion.
RIP Ultimate Warrior
the warriors ring music sounds a lot like paranoid by black sabbath listen to the beat road warriors used iron man
The story is not bogus, I was in the business during that time.
and your name is?
Sexton Hardcastle his name is Cheap Jabroni - the guy wishes he could Job for the Rock
Warrior was a lunatic.
no no i tell who should induct him to the wwe hall of fame: the iron sheik! that in itself would be worth the ppv money.
what did you major in?
Finally somebody tells it like it is...
there were a lot of books from the western world.
I would love to see what books Jim Helwig/Ultimate Warrior thought were the greatest books of the Western world.
+Ramon Suarez en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Books_of_the_Western_World
PtolemyJones But was this his list?
You miss the point, it isn't a list, it's a marketing gimmick that he bought because he believed the hype.
PtolemyJones LOL
Ramon Suarez check out An Iron Will by Orison Swett Marden. Warrior mentioned this book in one of his videos.
It should be called the Hall of guys Vince McMahon likes or kiss his ass.
Warrior was a big deal for only 2 yrs....
Warrior G,O.A.T,
Teddi Long Better than Taker and Macho? If u say so.
lol the college speech is on youtube. The ultimate warrior controversial speech.
Angry and agitated for no reason? Sounds like my dad
He is the only man who was bigger than hulk hogan(for a second)....
dream match: warrior vs boggey man , the insanity
Cokeroid is a hell of a drug.
if u wrestle and is big ure in the hall of fame end story !!!!!!!!!
He’s alive?!
Not anymore, he died only a few months after this video was made in April 2014.
he makes hogan look like a civil rights leader.
Macho King.....? Friggin blockhead. Maybe he wasnt getting in the hall cause they had tthe wrong name on the guest list.
he was Macho King in 91 after winning the King of the Ring
Warrior cut a promo on the Asian kid lol
From a legal standpoint, Vince would not have had to honor Warrior's demands based on what has been told about this incident. There is a rule in contract law called the 'Pre-Existing Duty' rule. It means that one side cannot demand more from an existing contract without promising something that had not previously been agreed too. So, if the Warrior was already contracted to perform at Summer Slam (and had his merch agreement, etc.), he cannot enforce a promise of more stuff from the same contract without giving Vince something in return (which would make it a new contract). Even if Vince had agreed to pay him more and give him more perks on an existing deal, he could still stiff the Warrior on it unless the Warrior agreed to new terms as well because they already had a contract in place. It would be like Tom Brady having a contract in place but then right before a playoff game telling the Pats he wouldn't play unless they guaranteed him an extra million. The Pats could agree and then tell him to fuck off when he tries to collect.
In the letter Vince sent to Warrior on 8/26/91, notifying him of his suspension, he explicitly states that Jim threatened to no-show SummerSlam. If it never happened, he wouldn't have put it in the memorandum.
liar
It was a lie about the timing, but WWE was telling the truth about Warrior holding up the WWF for money (The half a million was his Wrestlemania VII pay day that they lowballed him on) or else he wouldn't work SummerSlam 1991.
Every podcast you speak of the Warrior, you speak bias towards him. Let's see you have done the money that was owed to you for months.
Apologize? To the Warrior?! Lmao!
I liked this clip, but I have to say that in no way does this letter prove Vince is lying. Vince's claim was that Warrior came up to him the night of the show and demanded more money or he wouldn't perform. Vince never said they had not negotiated other things prior to the show.
The WWE hall of fame is a work so why would you put value in it?
Yeah, the "queering doesn't make the world go around" comment was great...esp coming from a guy that would wear the gayest colors of all time.....but that's the Warrior for ya....
I didn't know there was such a thing as "gay colors" Hmmm.....
Well just watch videos of him when he was IC champ and world champ and I will rest my case.
I've seen them....has nothing to do with my point. What color would you say is gay?
What was so "gay" about his color attire?
CometVS
Uhm...did you ever see it?
the ultimate warrior sucks
Ultimate Warrior was one of the most over-hyped boring wrestler after he ran out to the ring and used up his energy shaking the ropes, and his music was only so so compared to the likes of Gangrels music and a few others etc. Warrior sounded like a complete idiot with his interview shoots as well.
He did hold Vince regardless, it's like the Bret Hart deal...you tell them what they want to hear, specially insane people like the Warrior and Bret.
lol lucky ;)