How Did Sidious Become Such a Powerful and Skilled Lightsaber Duelist? (Legends)
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The Non-Canon Expert looks at the training methods that Darth Sidious underwent during his decades as the Apprentice to the Dark Lord of the Sith Darth Plagueis, explaining the important feats and lessons he was able to participate in that would make him one of the most powerful and skilled lightsaber duelists of his era.
This is a Legends story for Darth Sidious with information found in a number of Legends sources, but primarily within the Legends novels "Star Wars: Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil," "Star Wars: The Wrath of Darth Maul," "Star Wars: Darth Plagueis," and "Star Wars: Death Star." I hope that you enjoy it!
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Sideous: "A proper Sith need not concern himself with the barbary of saber combat"
Sideous: *becomes master of lightsaber forms purely to flex on Jedi
Not like he's a known and very skilled liar or anything :P
@Jason Rasmussen a Sith, lying? By the Whills it can't be true!!
@@morningnapalm9963 Sith lie all the time though.
"Treachery is the way of the Sith."
~Darth Tyranus (Count Dooku)
Matthew Cioffi bro he was joking
Rexus Mundi ppppppppp
Easy. He tried spinning. And we all know that's a good trick.
You spin and spin and eventually you have the high ground. Then you're good.
@@narev6569 but as we all know only one ever truly reached the high ground
@@th3l05t-kfpreactoroperator5 It was Yoda cause he had the floating wheelchair.
@@narev6569 No No that was professor Exavier!!
Lmao
In the Revenge of the Sith novel, it was said that Sidious moved so fast that he appeared to fade in and out of existence from Anakin’s point of view. He relies on Force-enhanced speed- and presumably Dark Rage-to overwhelm his opponents in one-on-one combat
I love this entire section of the novelization Daryl and it's a great point. One of the aspects that I tried to always keep in mind here was how Sidious was able to do what he did to the Jedi in his office in Episode 3, as I think Luceno does such a great job of showing the origins of it in the Darth Plagueis novel. Always appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment!
Didn’t Luke do the same thing in legends
@CVK Anakin's potential and midichlorian count and the fact that he was the chosen one I feel like Anakin would've became the strongest force user to have ever lived period.
Yung Po Even more powerful than abeloth ? And then what would happen if anakin drank from the front of power and bathed in the Pool of knowledge
Him already being force sensitive and abeloth not being force sensitive would he be even more powerful than her
@@yungpo9853 Abeloth was already ten times more powerful in the Force than Luke Skywalker. I doubt that Anakin Skywalker would have been more than ten times more powerful than Luke.
The Senate has a power to many abilities, some consider to be a natural!
Years of training and...
UNLIMITED POWER!!!
Not for Ray lol
@@captmack007 : I vote for Ray Charles. To hell with that Mary Sue REy.
@Chad Barrett Rey Palpy
Years of training, and plenty of juice.
Video: "How did Sidious become such a powerful and skilled lightsaber duelist?"
Me: "Ummm...practice? And also probably darkside stuff."
Video: "Practice, and also darkside stuff."
It's more how was Sidious able to practice
That not the point practice alone will not make you better, you need a sparring partner for that... In this video, it shows they also have it for their training... But it either they using a specialized type droid or a powerful beast from a hostile planet for that to embed their skill...
Practice makes lethal. Darkside stuff makes yellow eyes.
We're in here talkin' 'bout practice
"The Sith grew past the use of lightsabers. But we continue to use them, if only to humiliate the Jedi" - palpatine
The light saber was not a symbol to the Sith like it was to the Jedi. The Sit were/are true Force users.
@@shawn6860 sith even used sith swords, lightsaber whips, batons, most of the time they didnt even need them
@@AssassinoSighted oh ya. if they chose not to they would be fine with out weapons. And proved more diverse in the force. Which is good for story.
@@shawn6860 valkorion/vitate is s good example
I don't get that bullshit quote. Grow past? Lightsaber combat is just another form of force combat merely aided by physical/martial prowess. It makes no sense to ditch a Lightsaber since it is connected to your strength with the force. It's not a crutch it's a tool which can grow with you and does not restrict you in anyway.
"If not for meeee - For Windu "- Plageuis
If not for me........Your Ex
@@vaibhavkumar8133 no ☹
That moment you realize Sheev is the main character of all of star wars...
1) The senate menace
2) Attack of the senate
3) Revenge of the senate
4) A new senate
5) The senate strike back
6) The return of the senate
7) The senate awaken
8) The last senate
9) The rise of the senate
Omg
Its funny because its true he may not be the protagonist but he is the producer and everone else has to react to him.
Main antagonist
Main villain maybe. But anakin is the main character
Simple, he did alot of pushups and situps and drank plenty of juice
Abominatus confirmed
Wrong franchise/parody...
*palpatine with a juice box ensues*
HOW MANY PUSHUPS? HOW MANY SIT UPS? WHAT KIND OF JUICE DID HE DRINK?!
Mindu seeing anakin enter: and you brought your own hype man
Palpatine: I AM THE HYPE
But he couldn't stop me from throwing him
And you couldn't prevent his rebirth. Palpatine is beyond many thing including prophecies.
Burn!!!!! Lol
vitor kennedy Disney crap doesn’t work here
@@tyg9155 i was referring to legends, the original canon.
vitor kennedy ngl, Legends is far more clever than mousecanon
He saw a training program on a magazine and he thought "im going to DEW IT'
"Dew it"
Palpy trained Maul very well to be able to defeat Qui Gin, who was one of Jedi orders' best. So it's not surprising the actual master defeated more than one Jedi master when attempting to apprehend him.
I believe, Palps could be one of the best swordsmen in his era, only rivaled by Yoda, Windu and Dooku.
I've read somewhere he was so insanely fast, that the last thing you would see was his crimson lightsaber moving towards you.
Plagueis even stated Palps had the bloodthirst of a serial killer.
Makes sense Sidious basically murdered his entire family with a smile on his face
Even though Obi Wan was reckoned to be one of the best fighters, even recognized by Windu at "the best" towards the end of the clone wars.
@@madsam7582 The best at his specific form to be more precise.
@@madsam7582 Obi Wan was the master of Soresu, but won't defeat Palpatine, even with trolling. Palpatine would see their fight as childsplay
MadSam ! Sinuous
Takes out obi wan within a few minutes
Yoda said to fight the emperor
You are not
Sidious is just one determined badass.
cause sidious trained like rocky the hard and difficult way. And the jedi trained with floting balls . thats why sidious manhandled them in a fight
😂😂😂😂
@@tonyochiha9798 😂😂
Gold 😂 floating balls .
Also I believe that when he faced the four Jedi masters at the end of 3 Sideous used a Sith 'scream' (can't remember the name) to disorient the Jedi Masters.
And hilariously, he didn't even _like_ lightsaber combat. He just got good at it as a double middle finger to the Jedi. It was supposed to be beneath a proper Sith controlling the Force. I kind of get what he's getting at, like the fabled martial artist masters that are so powerful that they don't need to kick you or punch you, merely the force of their chi can throw you across a room. Or being able to be in such control of your life and surroundings that you never end up in such a situation in the first place, unless you want to.
"Chi" 😭😂😂😂😂😭😭😂😂😂😂😂
If you look at Sidious battle against Yoda he is throwing those Senate seats around like they're nothing while Yoda is struggling to repel 1. He could cancel his sith lightning and Mace could reflect it but that's only one attack.
Dakota Blount what’s so funny?
@@bensosnowski1128 chi is stupid
Hence "fabled masters", lol.
He was like Vitiate, conceived by the dark side of the force to carry on the revenge of the Sith.
@Zany Zebra Yet Sidious had surpassed him by ROTS(that's fact),then he became much stronger until his death and became far far stronger than that in his peak in dark empire.
@Zany Zebra Vitiate was a beast in his day but Sidious was a bigger,darker & more powerful & more intellectual beast then Vitiate could ever imagine
Vitiate had no interest in revenge against the Jedi. Vitiate wanted power, immortality, and solitude. He saw the Jedi merely as a means to an end, a sacrifice for his goals. He viewed the Sith, and everyone one else in the same way: as sacrifices for his goals.
@Cult Mechanicus This is my opinion, 1 Sidious 2 Andedu 3 Bane
its nice that there are still some youtubers that keep the true sw eu canon alive, very nice.
Thank you for watching ATS, it is awesome to hear that you are enjoying the videos!
There is no such thing as one true SW EU canon. Just because you think there is doesn't make it so.
Johannes Mäkilä no but the Disney verse is sure as hack not canon either. The only true canon is George’s, and he sold his baby so his option is not really reliable either.
Exactly.
Here is your 69th like,you've earned it young padawan.
THE SIDIOUS WORKOUT ROUTINE
100 Push-Ups
100 Sit-Ups
100 Squats
10KM Running
Repeat 7 days a week. That’s it!
How much juice did he drink?
@@RKKY-mf7fe SHIT!!!
Wrong franchise :P
(Laughs in Palpatine)
Ah I'll delete mine you beat me to it. Lol
Sidious even said that he looks at lightsabers as a joke
He does
This is pretty smart of Sith. Extremelly smart. I can imagine Plageous and Sidious destroying their enemies. Incredible
Because his master was a master of the light saber as well.
And he went to that planet of primatives to engage in bloodlust with his master.
I feel better knowing he had decades of brutal training to become a master duelist and assassin-like close combatant. That gels in my head better now, thanks.
Damn, Plageius was an actually really good master. Sure, Sideous was a great student, but it can't be underscored how talented Plageius is as a teacher.
Some would call him A Wise Teacher
Wait a minute, the 4 Jedi had the high ground.
“It’s over Chancelor, we have the high ground”.
“Dang, you’re right. I give up.”
Sidious' Force powers > Sidious' lightsaber combat, he is still very good at lightsaber combat though.
Yes but his opposition has been underestimated. Savage bested Count Dooku, Ventriss, Anakin, Obi Wan, Adi Gila, etc. Most of these duels were 2vs1 as well. Count Dooku was on ropes, he would not clash with him at all.
@@Foggy_Mustard dooku bodied Savage
He would use his Force Scream to disgruntle and intimidate his opponent's too. The Jedi of his day had never seen it before. As well as many Jedi not being proficient i lightsaber duels focusing instead on lightsaber vs blaster combat.
Sidious was more gifted in the force than most relies.
While he did use force speed to kill the jedi, if you watch clonewars - you'll see that he doesnt amplify his body with the force, he is physically throwing himself around with the force, like a child playing with a toy.
he was able to hold savage opress down with one arm (because the force was moving the saber) while holding maul down with his other.
if he had a videogame passive it would be like: This Charicter Uses INT as STR.
Had he been trained by Exar Kun, Tulak Hord, or Aloysius Kallig, his lightsaber skills would've been even better.
And Kas'im the blademaster
The reason why Palpatine can hold his own in a lightsaber duel is that it's written in the script!
Yogi Demis that’s the part I don’t like at all in episode 3. It looks ridiculous and unrealistic, when he fights with the lightsaber.
@@robertwegner7993 I think they could of took a different approach to Palpatine lightsaber fight and Palpatine took 3 Jedi masters down just like that. That's what got me, there was really no fight between the other 3 and three just kill them off and have Mace & Palpatine have their moment. But yeah I definitely feel ya on that.
@@yogidemis8513 he used Force Scream to slow them and though the fight looked slow, that was only for the audience to keep up. They were good warriors and fell quickly to illustrate that Sidious easily surpassed them. Windu used the dark side when fighting so it didn't effect him, plus he was way better then his other Jedi companions.
@@robertwegner7993 you have a great actor whose going up against someone who was still in his prime. And its what lucas wanted to see
Listen just bc he doesnt like lightsabers doesnt mean he isnt using them to mock those like windu or yoda.
Man, you guys make me love Star Wars even more
Great topic & video! Not only did his Master Plagueis not especially enjoy lightsaber duels, he wished to hold Sidious' bloodlust under control. But this exposè makes a lot of sense in answering this. Also it made me realise that Plagueis really was a genius (more so than I'd already appreciated I mean), both keeping Sidious away from the distraction a lightsaber would absolutely bring, and honing his patience which Sidious would ultimately weaponise in executing the Sith grand plan. Well played Plagueis, well played xx
“Long have I waited....and now...you are all..here” 🔥
Goosebumps!
Please keep making videos I love ur channel every channel I learn something new
"So I threw the Senate at him, the whole Senate. True story" - Sheev
Damn I wish Maul partook on the trials on Kursid against the natives alongside Sidious. They would’ve been one hell of a martial art storm and speed blitzed many with ease
That's because he had a stuntman.
Palpatine:E X E C U T E. O R D E R. 6 6
Clone:Nah
Palpatine:D E W I T
in an alternate universe
Palpatine:it's treason then
In "The Empire Strikes Back" Yoda tells Luke that the dark side of force is not stronger. Obi Wan also tells Luke that only a fully trained Jedi with the force at his side can defeat the emperor and Darth Vader.
That scene when he cuts down the Masters was weak sauce. They stood there and took the saber in the gut.
Very true.
They didn’t even respond quickly, and it didn’t show how fast Sidious was.
Very poor scene that made Jedi’s seem worse than untrained soldiers.
Yeah, I heard somewhere that when palpatine finally decided to attack, the flood of the dark side and killing aura that flooded the room stunned a few of the Jedi which is how he cut them down so fast, but that honestly seems like a cop out for a badly choreographed scene 😂
JSeagle73 if you watch the clone wars and see some of those Jedi in action it just makes it even worse
Ron The Squid the scream you hear him do is what stunned the jedi. Only a few were able to resist and fewer were able to keep up.
@@Jordan73SJ agen kolar was even looking
Held my breath until hearing "in this video expose...", almost passed out!
He trained his dark power of editing!
Tht voice is Butter. Smooth as silk bro...!!!!
I left a like for *Under utilized characters that need cannon stories*
Thanks for the vid sir.
Actually I am more interested in figuring out why he got so darn mean. Was he just born that way, or what?
Palpatine was feared by his father to be a psychopath and demonstrated many traits associated with the condition. So yeah it's implied he was born that way. :-)
If your parents named you Sheev you would be mean too
Master Oogway 😂😂
@Darth Canid u made me laugh u fuckin crack head
This is an underrated channel.
An excerpt from the Darth Plagueis novel by James Luceno which highlights Sidious savagery and ferocity:
"He sprinted up the stairs to the next floor, where he heard a cacophony of human voices muffled by the thick door to a nearby room. Blowing the door inward with a Force push, he took a wide stance in the shattered doorway and positioned the blade of the thrumming lightsaber vertically in front of him. Through the weapon’s glow he saw a dozen or more Santhe guards in uniform seated around a table littered with food and drink containers gape at him in disbelief before reaching for weapons fastened to their hips or scurrying for others buried beneath the rubble of their celebratory meal.
Sidious waded into the room, returning volleys of blaster bolts from those first to fire, then attacked, raising his left hand to levitate two guards into midair before running his blade through each of them. Snarling like a beast, he whirled through a circle, ridding three guards of their heads and cutting a fourth in half at the waist. The blade impaled a guard who had flattened himself to the floor in abject terror, then went straight into the shrieking mouth of the last of them. As that one collapsed in a heap, Sidious caught a glimpse of himself in an ornate mirror: face contorted in rage, red hair in electrified disarray, mouth webbed with strands of thick saliva, eyes a radioactive shade of yellow."
But if anyone thinks Darth Plagueis was some pushover, here's another excerpt from the same novel - and this is without his lightsaber though:
"Others Plagueis felled with his hands by snapping necks and putting his fists through armored torsos. Spreading his arms wide, he clapped his hands together, turning every loose object in the vicinity into a deadly projectile. But the Maladians were far from run-ofthe-mill murderers. Members of the cult had killed and wounded Jedi, and in response to confronting Force powers, they didn’t shrink or flee but simply changed tactics, moving with astounding agility to surround Plagueis and wait for openings. The wait lasted only until Plagueis attempted to unleash lightning. His
second subsidiary heart failed, paralyzing him with pain and nearly plunging him into unconsciousness. The assassins wasted not a moment, throwing themselves at him in groups, though in a vain attempt to penetrate the Force shield he raised. Again he rallied, this time with a ragged sound dredged from deep inside that erupted from him like a sonic weapon, shattering the eardrums of those within ten meters and compelling the rest to bring their hands to their ears. In blinding motion his hands and feet smashed skulls and windpipes. He stopped once to conjure a Force wave that all but atomized the bodies of six Maladians. He spun through a turn, dragging the wave halfway around the room to kill half a dozen more."
One of the best of all the Star Wars Legends novels - and that's saying a lot. Also perhaps my favorite Star Wars audio book. Daniel Davis was absolutely SUPERB not only telling the story but performing the many voices of the book. He got the voices of Chancellor Palpatine, AND Darth Sidious) particularly down pat.He also sounds exactly what I imagine Plagueis sounding like. I also love that they didn't condense it. It's a long listen but very worth while. Coming in at about 15 hours and change in length, it's great for those long drives.
I like that scene in RotS where Palpatine reveals his true nature to the Jedi (despite the clunky dialogue). Imagine being Windu, one of the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy, having underestimated chancellor Palpatine for decades -- then he whips out a lightsaber and makes an inhuman sound, and suddenly you're in a battle for your life
10:23 I've seen that scene who knows how many times, but I only just realized that Sideous is CGI there.
@Pinkaugust edgy
He made it his mission to not live like ordinary beings. Every move he made was calculated, every bit of training he undertook was hard earned. He was a master of nearly every aspect, intellectually, spiritually, physically, his only downfall, was that he was afraid of death, and his pride was out of this world, for a good reason.
"Your reactions must be instantaneous and nothing less than lethal"
My thoughts exactly...
Good vid good length when are you going to do lengthy thrawn videos
The planet spins faster so the animals are faster? That’s something only someone with no concept of basic physics or biology could come up with
Ben Sosnowski surely heavier gravity would make more sense
daniel johnston
So one could make arguments talking about the size of an animal vs their weight. If you haven’t heard this before, it’s a pretty prevalent topic out there. I’ll post a link if you ask. (Look at how much ants can carry relative to their body weight as an example).
This means that if gravity is increased, only smaller animals would be able to carry their own weight. This obviously would decrease the potential speed of all animals.
Now onto energy. Assuming there aren’t animals which are hundreds of times more effective at burning energy than the animals on earth
(which would cause them to die of heat stroke or explode if it was possible with anything we currently know of because heat is a byproduct of work. Look up how long a cheetah can run for an example)
creatures will not be able to move at speeds much faster than the fastest animal on earth.
Unless we are talking about birds. It is theoretically possible to fall (“fly down”) faster on a planet with less atmosphere.
@@bensosnowski1128 we aren't talking reality we are talking star wars. Dude out here writing an essay for a RUclips comment.
DisguisedEnvy I enjoy the chance to talk about science fiction with others who have similar interests.
@@disguisedenvy415 No but really, the guy's right.
Genuinely something I always wanted to know
It's almost as if live combat teaches you way more than sparring ever could.
I get that reference
@Mr.StarWarsReadClub, Sidious was or still is wise to learn the full spectrum of the force and even what he considered not needed by the Sith. Apply that to any part of life or ambition? It's a winner's mindset.
The Jedi had become stale closer to their vision of the Sith than they realized.
Best ending words ever.
Great Information. You may continue your studies...
Years of academy training utilized perfectly
Because of a unbelievably well-written SW vs 40k crossover that is at a VERY crucial point right now, I'm pulling every BIT of Palpatine's skill with a blade off the 'net to religiously study in the Expanded Universe and Canon. Well put-together vid, ya got here.
He did train Maul
Maul had fighting experience before, he was a gladiator.
MadSam !: No, when Sidious found Maul he was a child!
Fascinating.
I wish they animated sideous like yoda during his lightsaber duels in rots so it could show his inhuman speed and power
I’ve always wondered how they did it I thought they wouldn’t have light sabre techniques written down somewhere like the Jedi would
If the sith went to a planet to fight each generation, why did nobody know that the sith had returned?
Because it's an unknown planet populated with stone age warrior creatures who have no space travel or means of communication with the rest of the galaxy.
Sith lore is so fascinating
And there we have it...
When did Palpatine say the Sith grew past the use of lightsabers?
PrettyBoy23 he was that OP in force powers alone
@@alexfelix5533 The question was when, not why...
And its from "Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader"
That's actually a good question, and a solid answer.
This video might as well have been called "How Luke became a great duelist, but with a millenium old secret society's ressources at his behest!.
Where to find the comic about his training on Sojourn?
Keep in mind the palpatine that fought mace and yoda as well as the 3 masters was the same palpatine that hadn’t practiced or trained with a lightsaber since becoming chancellor. This man took on mace windu one of the order best if not the greatest duelist available and he hadn’t practiced for over a decade.
I wish I could just give your “if not for meeeeee...” a 1000 thumbs up
nice to know there are droids that can help one get good enough to beat yoda
Remember when Snoke got on the big screen for 4 seconds. Ah the good old times....
The Force is strong with you. A powerful Sith, you will become
My question is how did he maintain his skills after years of sitting in an office?
My thoughts exactly. I'm sure he could "self train" through meditation etc but he spent the vast majority of his life unchallenged. He almost never used his powers... especially by ep 6, how was he still so much stronger than Vader? Especially after Vader spent all those years in REAL combat and dangerous situations?
Plot armor
because of the power of the daarrkkk siiide
The fact he learned and advanced when it was just him and Plageius and he was far superior was amazing. Neither of them even cared to use lightsabers and he was still a monster.
Study and practice years of it
I haven't seen the video yet I just wanted to make this reference
Spin to win!
Good Lord that video spun out the answer. Droids, erratic animals and a planet of warriors that got ravaged every generation by the sith. Done.
The Ssang-Ssesh form, a Force sped version of Sith Juyo. (Looking at Haidong-Gumdo Ssangsu forms in Korean Sword Art, I found this to be the closest to Sidious' style and decided to name it in honour of this sport.)
The use of electronic warfare planes, to jam enemy microwave radar, predates stealth, and was incredibly effective. You put out so much electronic noise that the enemy cannot target you.
In principal, this would work just as well for the Sith. In fact, it might be the most effective way to face multiple jedi at once. Certainly, if anyone would master this, Sidious was a good candidate.
sidious for president
Sidious is simply a badass!😈
Sidious is the sith master in a long line of sith getting stronger and stronger.
0:14 “reorganize”
“For under utilised characters that need canon storiiiiiies” - that’s your best one yet 👌🏽
Goddamnit i love Palpy
Well, that’s an interesting backstory.
Darth Sidious was skilled in both Lightsaber combat and use of his (very effective) aggressive negotiation tactics.. He later used both of these skills during his duties in the senate as The Senate.
He had already learned how to wield a blade well before the vibroblade hunt with Plagueis. He was like 29 when he slaughtered the whole gran protectorate and was already a master swordsman. He was a blur in and out of existence, cutting everybody down with ease and enjoying every second of it.
the truth is that sidious didnt have any sword skill, he just had force connection which enhanced his speed, he used that to kill people not skill
he would not be able to outskill even eeth koth in a fight
I like to add something to your idea.. the idea of rule of two also pressured the sith to train more. If we think about it when there are thousands of jedi there can only be two sith so they have to work hundreds and hundreds of hours in order to overcome the jedy enemies
Because he told everyone about ‘Darth plageuis the wise’
I always saw the sith apprentice as a hand of vengeance during the rule of two era. If they did not learn to be the best they would die.
So the Ultimate training for Saber fighting. Was in a rainstorm with Proxy... or something similar