@@blankpage9277 "Hahaha hey dipshit, remember that time all your Jedi friends told you to be on high alert for a power-hungry telepathic Sith Lord operating out of the Senate? And then like five minutes after I'm elected Emperor Of The Universe you come to me and I start the conversation by telling you about a dream you had this morning and you just furrowed your brow in confusion? HAAHAHAHAAHHA I had to drag you into a side hallway and TELL YOU I'm evil! Haaahahaaha you goddamn goober."
@mjkalasky I think the joke is that Star Wars is "long long ago in a galaxy far far away", so books from humanity's past would likely still be in Star Wars' future.
Banes doctrine was almost wholesome in a disfunctional way. A master, while building a power structure and studying the dark side, would also actually teach his ways, techniques and tricks to the apprentice. Once the latter learned everything that the master knew, it would replace it. This stimulates the master to keep learning and becoming more powerful instead of complacent and establish a brutal meritocracy. Still, I can't help but think that a defeated master would, in its last moments, feel pride towards the former apprentice.
It makes sense they would feel pride, their apprentice have grown stronger than they have and are taking their place as the master, their efforts were worthwhile.
I think palpatines biggest mistake might have been that he was using the dark side for himself. He didn't live for the dark side he let the dark side live for him. That was his ultimate demise.
@Federico Degli Esposti : the rule of the two does not make sense at all, why would someone concern about transmitting their knowledge ? I never understand this shit. Also why would you feel pride for another person achievement ? There is only one principe in life : yourself. And when someone is about to lose the game is goal should be to try his best that no one win at all. If I were a sith I would shit on that stupid rule of 2 and try to keep my knowledge for myself and myself only.
@@magnerossetnes once everything that had transpired had done so according to my design then I followed my dream into the uknown region and became all of the Sith lol
Yoda and Mace both thought that Mace would be horrible teacher for annakin I say the Dark woman should have taught the choose one at least then he wouldn't have been such a cry baby
The emperors overconfidence was his undoing, his faith in Vader's intense anger and hate thus being loyal to the darkside was his undoing, he just couldn't see Vader's conflict of emotions during this time whereas Luke Skywalker could, Luke's faith in his father was proven true, but ultimately palpatine could not see the truth of the monster he created and it led to his downfall...
In the books and comics he did see Vader's conflict. Lords of the siths shows it openly as vader day dreams about the past palpatine stares at him from the side of his head with rage.
Sidious's corruption was pretty much guilt-traping. -Tempt someone and put them in a position that whatever they care about is at risk. -Make they commit a mistake so bad over the previous point that they believe they can not be ever forgived by others, so that they will embrace the darkness. He was not proven wrong by Vader's redemption, he just failed to see that with Luke around now Vader had someone willing to forgive and love him despite his decades of mistakes and bloodshed, someone close to him by default due to blood ties, which allowed him to break free from the cycle of regret and hate that Palpatine put him.
With Luke helping to see the remaining goodness in Vader, by the time of death, Anakin Skywalker had returned to the Light side. Ahsoka just set the template, Luke finished it!!
In the novel of RotJ, Palpa insults Vader one last time before Vader shafted him. In the movie it was Luke's pleading, the cause Vader to over throw the Emperor. In the novel, " This is the last time you piss me off old man !" In table top roll playing game ( RPG) the Emperor was so caught up in Luke he fell his defense initiative against Vader's attack roll. So Vader Donkey/ rabbit Punches Palpatine in the back of the head with his right hand stump follow with Force Push, sending the Emperor sliding across the floor and off the walk way's edge down the shaft. Vader " Boy, stop whining and get up."
It only adds to Sidious character that he can admit to his missteps...he knew Vader had light in him and though he tried to snuff it out, he eventually just ignored which is why Luke turned him.
I love that Legends has Palpatine writing an autobiography after his own death. On a more serious note, it reveals a lot about Sidious' ability to honestly critique his own methods and a surprising maturity in accepting that Vader's betrayal was entirely Sidious' own fault. No rationalization, no attempts to shift the blame. Just an honest admission that he messed up. As a hypothetical, I wonder if Sidious was magically able to redo Anakin's manipulation from the beginning what he would do differently. It is clear he would still try to manipulate Anakin into betraying the Jedi, so perhaps something along the lines of how he trained Vader, or perhaps endeavoring to prevent Anakin's defeat on Mustafar somehow? Perhaps sending some other forces along with the newly turned Darth Vader as support? Interesting stuff to consider.
I think that, if Palpatine was to redo Vader's creation, he would ensure that Padme and her children were killed. He would know, as we've heard, that such children would be a threat to him, even if Vader didn't betray him. If Palpatine had twenty years worth of exact, pinpoint foresight, he would have killed Padme as soon as he declared himself emperor, blamed the Jedi, and Vader would be forever under his thumb. No Luke, no Leia, just an old man and his cybernetic Frankenstein's monster.
If I were a psychologist and diagnosed Palpatine, he'd be a dark empath in my book. If Palpatine were a narcopath/narcissist or a sociopath he'd never admit his mistakes. This surpisingly honest self-reflection eliminates the last two classifications.
yeah instead of shocking him with force lightning he just should have roasted Luke's ass. Made em both too ashamed to show their face, thats how you make a darksider
The very thing Sidious used to turn Anakin to the dark side (Padme), ended up being the very thing responsible for turning Vader back to the light (Luke). Sidious greatly underestimated the power of the light side of the force.
Vader lifting palpatine Palpatine: wait Vader what are doing !!!! Vader: bringing balance to the force Palpatine: oh ok I’ll be fine I got clones cause I’m immortal Vader: .......
@@Drago-957 no.. its too late now.. throw him off... had vader put him down.. sidious would have just killed both vader and luke... and then Rey would probably be Empress of the Galaxy and the Final order.. 🤣 actually YES... i agree.. "no point" redo episode 6.. 👀
Vader: My master you must teach me the ways of the dark side. Palpatine: No, I have better things to do like finding a way to live forever and being arrogant. Vader: you know I think it would be better to be with the light side and not let you kill my son because it seems like your not going to help me Palpatine: 😥
I never really considered how like Frankenstien Sidious was; in creating their monster each creator ensures their own downfall. And Vader certainly did not bid thee create me my master 😄 xx
I think the biggest problem is that Ankakin/Vader was not a good apprentice in the first place. He could be corrupted via his fears and also might have ambitions but the main problems is, he alwas loves his mother and Padme, never really stop that feeling. He grief might feed dark side but the feeling itself is like an achnor for the light side. To be a true Sith something have to be free from personal attachments and emotions towards others (including their family). Vader was able to push it back for a while but be knowing Luke is his Son, it hits him even harder then before. It like a tiny lttle backdoor, but throw it you can hit the core.
I agree. To be a full fleshed evil sith apprentice to Darth Sidious, one has to be a complete psychopath like the emperor himself, which mean no emotional attachment to anyone, no love and no humanity and Anakin was born with all of those things. I respect Darth Sidious for being self-aware enough to take his responsibility for Vader redemption as a master but I doubt he would have succeeded even if he changed his approach so long that Anakin still have someone to care and love for like his son. On Anakin part, I also believe that he is not cut out to be a Jedi nor a Sith. He should be somewhere in the middle as the true balance of the Force.
Didn't Bane also say while thinking about what he wanted from an apprentice of his own that Sith apprentices should never have previously been Jedi, that they are forever tainted by the light.
@@MrFredstt Bane was a moron who expected the sith to act completely subservient to the orders needs even though thats the antithesis of what makes a sith a sith.
@@lenkagamine4145 calling someone else a moron while spouting stupidity yourself, ironic. The sith is not, nor has it ever been a person, but an organization or order, meaning that they were not sacrificing their freedom for it was their choice in the first place, they were trading their individuality for in their eyes something far greater, and that is absolute power, that is the true definition of becoming a sith.
@@dillonb5317 the people who flock to the sith are usually selfish people who want power. Why would selfish, power hungry people give up their power for the greater good (of the Sith Order)? Bane was right, but his philosophy is pretty backwards and ironically idealistic.
One of Palpatine's flaws is the failure to acknowledge that there are fates worse than death. In the end some would rather embrace death at the hands of those they betrayed than walk further down the path of that betrayal. For some it is better to die in the light than live in the dark.
And now through Sidious we see the rule of two's fatal weakness Bane's rule of two assumes that the master has no legit desire to stay alive Sidious never had any intention of ever dieing so Vader could replace him heck Sidious's own master didn't intend for his apprentice to replace him at all but Sidious's intention was never for Vader to eventually replace him but just for him to have a powerful servant under the guise of being a apprentice
Sith lords that are so arrogant it becomes stupid. Plagueis The Wise was unable to comprehend the black hole of a man he taught everything would get rid of him. And then the apprentice does the same thing with underestimation.
@@Aivottaja as little as I know of the EU, I think both Bane and Plagueis "the wise" indeed had kinda a Sith sense of honour which Sidious completly lacked
Yeah, I always found that ironic. "Concern for others is weakness. You must pursue nothing but power and your own self-interest. Cast aside any beliefs, laws or relationships that do not serve your own ambitions. Accept your own death at your apprentice's hands so that some future Sith Lord may be more powerful than you, and so that the guy who wrote these rules doesn't get remembered as the biggest idiot in the long, sorry history of Sith fuck-ups."
With his deep contemplation of situations. I doubt that he would lose to Rey especially they way he did. He's too smart to lose in such a underwhelming way and would learn from his mistakes.
It's kinda funny because it's actually the exact opposite anakin always thought of palpatine as a friend then when he lost to obiwan he was treated horribly by palpatine
I remember I subscribed to this channel 5 years ago man, I was so PUMPED for Star Wars back then, especially after Force Awakens. The possibilities were maddening and the lore from legends proved to be so much richer than anticipated. Then The Last Jedi happened and I got lost, I didn't even hate the movie by any means but the way all those narrative threads were closed midway through the trilogy just pulled me out of Star Wars for a while. Can't say Rise of Skywalker helped me at all, but man, I missed this.
Vader was neither Sith nor Jedi. His true loyalty was to family. Both events that caused him to 'turn' one way and then back, were when he felt the life of his wife and then his son were at risk.
Yet, he force chokes Padme which led her to lose the will to live. Chops his son's hand off and allows Papaltine to use force lightning on him. Tortures his own daughter and forces her to watch her own planet get blown to bits. What a family man!
Whether it was Legends or Canon, the weird relationship between the Emperor and Vader always caught ne up. In many ways, it felt like he didn't need Vader, and just kept him around for lols. Sometimes he'd send him after Jedi, while other times he'd chastise Vader for his obsession. He wanted Vader's attention on point; there were things they needed to do in the Empire, but then sometimes Darth Vader's place in it seemed nebulous. He had the Chosen One, but then didn't seem to have a use for him. Perhaps together they were meant to unlock true secrets to the Dark Side, but then they couldn't deliver, and Palpatine did keep an eye out for replacements, in some continuity, but never really tried to replace Vader. Of course, some of Palpatine's own failures can possibly be attributed to his own lineage; Darth Tenebrous and Darth Plagueius each also had a corrupt view of the Rule of Two, and where they saw the future going. The Bith Sith qasnt the mightiest Sith Lord, but he wad powerful and capable; he used his precognitive ability to literally create his own apprentice...and then didn't really teach him much, because he already seemed to have planned to daisy chain his conscience from one body to the next, in an effort to acquire that of the Chosen One. Plagueius also seemed wrong. At first, I think he did teach, though Sidious was stringing along a literal Sith Lord, even then, but then he almost died, and disappeared into seclusion. Muchvlike Tenebrous, Plagueius wanted to live forever, and so focused on himself. He stopped seeing Palpatine as his future replacement, or even a threat, and actually started to trust the sociopathic human he had already pushed to kill those close to him. Well before the Emperor, it would look like the fate of Bane's lineage was already skewed, and Palpatine just continued that yo its conclusion; the "conclusion" of the Sith Order.
Palpatine's postmortum analysis on the situation is wrong. He can take all the blame he wants, but the fact of the matter is that this outcome was unavoidable because everything that transpired throughout Anakin's life was *the will of the Force acting through him as it's vessel.* Sidious can reflect on his strategic missteps for all eternity, but just like his former master Darth Plagueis warned him decades earlier, if their grand plans for galactic domination were to indeed one day become a reality, they were in danger of locking their fates onto a path with an inescapable fate at the end because it will be the Force itself who retaliates to keep them in check. While Plagueis became more and more unnerved by this possibility later in life, Sidious had always dismissed such notions as paranoia, arrogantly considering the Force nothing more than a tool to be manipulated and controlled through the sheer force of his will alone. Because of this flawed perspective, Sidious was always going to see his master plans go unrealized, and would ultimately be defeated as result. The mere ability to interact with the Force as a Force-sensitive doesn't exclude you from ever being subject to the Force's own sentient will. Remember, the Force is a living entity as well-- and it's will is of far greater power than anything a Sith lord can conjure. Sidious forgot that he was just another Force user in a galaxy overrun with them. Someone whose only 'power' comes from channeling the tiny, discarded fractions of endless power that the Force emanates into all of existence. It's immense power crackling like into creation like moisture off a river that Force users harness. Confusing your own place in the metaphysical ecosystem is certain failure. It's the equivalent of humanity assuming that just because we can collect and transmit energy with solar panels here on the Earth's surface, this means we've achieved domination over the sun itself. That's the equivalent miscalculation that Sidious made when assuming his ability to manipulate portions of the Force gave him total mastery over it. A fitting end, as ambition and arrogance have been the demise of villains for time immemorial.
Didn't read all that, but you might be right. The force turned Anakin into Vader to cull the Jedi, then turned him back into Anakin to take out the Emperor, killing the Empire. An entire Jedi culture > 2 Sith 1 Jedi > 2 Sith 2 Jedi > 1 sith 1 Jedi > 1 sith (Sidious in Rise of Skywalker) Then the Dyad in the force Kylo + Rey (Light+Dark) > Sidious **SPOILER** Then finally Just Rey, containing both light and dark sides of the force. Having alleged true balance. Edit: Finn being force sensitive doesn't upset this balance, considering he's not a Jedi. Being force sensitive doesn't upset the balance, picking a side, does.
I agree, apart from Finn being force sensitive but not a Jedi.. it's not taking sides that affects balance, in every deed or action there is light and dark, often outside our knowledge, balance is surrender to the will of the force, in a way a form of noble ignorance? It's this that creates what term balance.. beyond Sith or Jedi..
@@tylerjaynes822 in disney star wars that may be true. In Star Wars Lucas stated that the dark side is the sentients ego warping the force. So there can be trillions of light side users and 1 sith and the force is unbalanced just like a lake of water is not still if it has a single wave
This only makes sense if you suppose that its impossible for sidious to have done anythign differently. Theres a million different scenarios that end with sidious's victory. Other than the old republic games, the force is never really suggested to have absolute control of reality. If sidious had just dropped his need to have an apprentice, he would've been fine. Vader couldnt defeat him if sidious went up against him on his own.
I think that Sidious's ultimate failure was unavoidable - as a Sith, he was emotional. He felt pride in keeping 'the Chosen One' not only as his apprentice, but also as somebody weaker than himself and unable to reach him. Logically, Vader's relationship with Sidious was broken from the moment he was put in the suit, as even the guilty, broken and confused man that Vader was could tell that Sidious only made life worse for him - and not 'just' worse, but a living hell. Anakin laughed all the time, while Vader never did. In order to remedy Vader's great dejection even a little and make him appreciate their master-student relationship, Sidious would have to actually deliver on his promise of training him and allowing him to grasp real power. But Palps knew that this would put Vader into striking range of him, and to avoid that taught him very little - thus giving Vader no reason at all to feel any affection or true, personal respect for him. In short: Palpatine had a choice between a Vader who hated his guts but couldn't touch him, and a Vader who might have respected him but would most likely murder him and continue the Rule of Two, and he chose the former.
It is interesting for him to be so wise to have the self reflection, to think and feel this way. Not to be blinded by hate or pride or hubris, even in the face of betrayal. Sidious really is a fascinating character.
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Yes , Luke played a part of turning Vader to the light . But . Darth Sidious made a big mistake . Sidious made it that Vader had lost EVERYTHING except for him , then mentally and physically tortured Vader for two decades ... Which made Vader HATE him . When Vader realized that he hadn't lost EVERYTHING , he still had two children. Then he made the decision to kill his true enemy , the man who destroyed his life and killed Padme..
In Legends, Palpatine was inheritor to a breakdown in the Banite Sith Order that began with Plaguis's own master, Tenebrous. Tenebrous broke the Rule of Two by training a second secret apprentice, and sought a way to possess the body of the future born Chosen One. To this end, Darth Tenebrous instilled a great fear of death in his apprentice Darth Plaguis, thus starting Plaguis's (and thus Palpatine's) obsession with immortality. When Palpatine created the Rule of One, it was the end of the Sith.
Palpatine didn't realize that Vader still loved Padme and his children. Luke and Leia were the only living connections he had to his wife, thought that in his rage he had killed them all. Then when Luke was revealed to have been the surviving son of Anakin Skywalker and Padme Amidala, that familial connection was the conflict Luke saw in his father.
Ironically, it was Sidious who betrayed Sith doctrine by refusing to do what a Sith master is supposed to do; train an apprentice to replace him. Vader on the hand did exactly what a Sith apprentice is supposed to do; killing his master. Sidious while falling down the shaft: “TRAITOR!” Vader: “No. You (gasp) are the (wheeze) traitor!”
Lol “Sidious having an epiphany in his final moments as he traveled down the elevator shaft” Sidious as he falls: And now, the end is near And so I face the final curtain My friend, I'll make it clear I'll state my case, of which I am certain I've lived a life that's full I traveled each and every highway And more, much more I did it, I did it my way
Love your videos, man. Probably my favorite Star Wars RUclipsr out there. However, the title is pretty misleading. Sidious never stated outright that he blamed himself for Vader's redemption. In fact Sidious has stated numerous times that he believed Vader could never be redeemed and was a broken man. Even after Sidious resurrected himself through clone bodies in Dark Empire, he told Luke the same thing.
It makes actually more sense that books would be the majority of force knowledge. When I read novels , all I ever noticed is that for every one holocron thousands of books exist. Being a big time novel reader back in the nineties when all these books where new. I enjoyed a golden age of reading.
Well Palpatine finds lightsabers a barbaric weapon from an old time. He dislikes using a lightsaber unless it is absolutely neccessary. He prefers using force lightning over a saber at any time.
For another reason to have never listened to Bane in the first place. The Rule of two was a failure of epic proportions. Plagius and Sidious could have done so much more without it, and worrying about an apprentice killing them or messing up their own plans.
The rule of two saved the sith from infighting that had fractured the sith nearly beyond repair. The sith a millennium ago were so broken and divided acting as warlords with multiple apprentices who were all weaker than their very weak master.
One interesting aspect of palpatine is the mutual hatred he and his father had for one another and how this ended in murder. Ultimately his downfall was that he just didn't understand the strength of love that can exist between father and son
All this has happened before, and it will happen again. Such is the fate of those who follow either the light or the dark, for one cannot exist without the other.
Darth Sidious was the actual prophesized chosen one, for it was his actions that led to balance in the force. He orchestrated the destruction of the Jedi and the Sith. Leading to complete balance. Change my mind.
How about the fact that if not for Vader, Sidious would have probably never died even once? Before Sidious was dead, the dark side was stronger and the force was imbalanced.
In my opinion the main reason that vader turned to the light was with a flaw in palpatine's method to getting an apprentice. Anakin only became vader for padme but once she died the only reason he stayed loyal to sidious is because he had no one else, due to padme being the reason for anakin's fall once he found someone else (luke) he left sidious as he never fully wanted to be a sith
Sidious understood he was responsible for his own downfall, but he still didn’t seem to learn the importance of the rule of 2. Both in legends and the sequel trilogy sidious was STILL obsessed with immortality
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"I shouldn't have been such a diiiiiiiick" he yells as he falls down the shaft
Dick.....shaft....I see what you did there
That reminds me of the Robot Chicken skit where he makes Vader cry over the phone and then laughs about it with his friends.
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Lmao I also saw that
Then he said quietly “... I love you too...”
"How are you holding me over your head with just one haaaaaaaaannnnnnnd.....!"
@@blankpage9277 "Hahaha hey dipshit, remember that time all your Jedi friends told you to be on high alert for a power-hungry telepathic Sith Lord operating out of the Senate? And then like five minutes after I'm elected Emperor Of The Universe you come to me and I start the conversation by telling you about a dream you had this morning and you just furrowed your brow in confusion? HAAHAHAHAAHHA I had to drag you into a side hallway and TELL YOU I'm evil! Haaahahaaha you goddamn goober."
All Jedi and Sith: Makes holocrons for knowledge
Sidious: Writes a book
He was ahead of his time
@@unitedstatesofamerica4987 'So uncivilized.' ~Obi Wan Kenobi
@mjkalasky I think the joke is that Star Wars is "long long ago in a galaxy far far away", so books from humanity's past would likely still be in Star Wars' future.
He did have a love for Antiquity
Darth Bane also wrote a book.
Banes doctrine was almost wholesome in a disfunctional way. A master, while building a power structure and studying the dark side, would also actually teach his ways, techniques and tricks to the apprentice. Once the latter learned everything that the master knew, it would replace it. This stimulates the master to keep learning and becoming more powerful instead of complacent and establish a brutal meritocracy. Still, I can't help but think that a defeated master would, in its last moments, feel pride towards the former apprentice.
Plagius
It makes sense they would feel pride, their apprentice have grown stronger than they have and are taking their place as the master, their efforts were worthwhile.
I think palpatines biggest mistake might have been that he was using the dark side for himself. He didn't live for the dark side he let the dark side live for him. That was his ultimate demise.
it ensured that generations of Sith would continue to increase in knowledge and power.
@Federico Degli Esposti : the rule of the two does not make sense at all, why would someone concern about transmitting their knowledge ? I never understand this shit.
Also why would you feel pride for another person achievement ?
There is only one principe in life : yourself. And when someone is about to lose the game is goal should be to try his best that no one win at all.
If I were a sith I would shit on that stupid rule of 2 and try to keep my knowledge for myself and myself only.
“Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design.”
Are you sure about that?
Yep you know it 👌
@@pappapalps9287 y
@@magnerossetnes once everything that had transpired had done so according to my design then I followed my dream into the uknown region and became all of the Sith lol
@@pappapalps9287 Spiffy Schwartz
@@pappapalps9287 and then you were killed by a mary sue
“I guess I should’ve told Maul to kill Obi Wan instead”
That probably wouldn't have helped, if qui gon lived, he might've actually trained anakin well enough that he may not become vader
Captain Germany except Mace Windu hated Anakin
@Captain Germany yeah, Mace could've given anakin a *hand* with controlling his emotions
I'll see myself out
Yoda and Mace both thought that Mace would be horrible teacher for annakin I say the Dark woman should have taught the choose one at least then he wouldn't have been such a cry baby
Donnelle Barfield I’ll have to look her up
The emperors overconfidence was his undoing, his faith in Vader's intense anger and hate thus being loyal to the darkside was his undoing, he just couldn't see Vader's conflict of emotions during this time whereas Luke Skywalker could, Luke's faith in his father was proven true, but ultimately palpatine could not see the truth of the monster he created and it led to his downfall...
In the books and comics he did see Vader's conflict. Lords of the siths shows it openly as vader day dreams about the past palpatine stares at him from the side of his head with rage.
The irony in the last six words in your comment is palpable
Luke calls him out on his flaw and he doesn't really even disagree with that. Just retorts with Luke's own "weakness".
Part of it was his view exactly. Vader was a monster, not an apprentice. The rule of two was also broken in this way and his own monster destroyed him
The same Sith Lord is critiquing his own mistakes!?
Vader: *Kills Palpatine*
Palpatine: A surprise to be sure, but a welcome on-
Wait a minute VADER NO!!!”
Palpatine : put me down! Luke the Jedi are taking over!
@@diegoviramontes9703 Luke: No! Cuts Vader's hand.
@@Сайтамен Vader Uses one hand Uses.His force power to make sure he don't come back Naruto appears then rasengan then blah blah blah
And he blamed himself for telling Vader he has a son since he tells everyone.
Hey! Did you hear the news?! I have a son!
GAAAASSSP! I HAVE A DAUGHTER TOO!?
I have a son, lightspeeeeeeeeed!
@TheDawsonator1 Who is she?!
...
Shit.
lol i love HISHE XD
Sidious's corruption was pretty much guilt-traping.
-Tempt someone and put them in a position that whatever they care about is at risk.
-Make they commit a mistake so bad over the previous point that they believe they can not be ever forgived by others, so that they will embrace the darkness.
He was not proven wrong by Vader's redemption, he just failed to see that with Luke around now Vader had someone willing to forgive and love him despite his decades of mistakes and bloodshed, someone close to him by default due to blood ties, which allowed him to break free from the cycle of regret and hate that Palpatine put him.
He's not a moron, just heartless psychopath.
And Luke saw what Palpetine couldn't see
With Luke helping to see the remaining goodness in Vader, by the time of death, Anakin Skywalker had returned to the Light side. Ahsoka just set the template, Luke finished it!!
@@eugenelau3927 Ashoka didn't do anything.
@@arrowheadwaterbottle6815 Wrong, She did her best to turn Vader back to the Light, but it took real family ties to finish that part.
Well if we go back and see all the times he abused vader, in both legends and "cannon" yeah no wonder he threw you down a pit.
You misspelled “broken Disney mess”
Palpy dug his own reactor shaft. Deprive Vader of full-fledged teachings and with Vader aware of that, along with all the shit he did to Vader.
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Can we go five minutes without this kind of crap?
@@matti.8465
No, nor should we
In the novel of RotJ, Palpa insults Vader one last time before Vader shafted him.
In the movie it was Luke's pleading, the cause Vader to over throw the Emperor.
In the novel, " This is the last time you piss me off old man !"
In table top roll playing game ( RPG) the Emperor was so caught up in Luke he fell his defense initiative against Vader's attack roll.
So Vader Donkey/ rabbit Punches Palpatine in the back of the head with his right hand stump follow with Force Push, sending the Emperor sliding across the floor and off the walk way's edge down the shaft.
Vader " Boy, stop whining and get up."
It only adds to Sidious character that he can admit to his missteps...he knew Vader had light in him and though he tried to snuff it out, he eventually just ignored which is why Luke turned him.
The one mistake that Palpatine had was shocking Luke with Force Lighting
What else was there to use? It was a last ditch effort to maybe turn him through pain. And if that fails, there's always the joy of sadism.
@@Aivottaja to directly kill him
Vader: I'm sick of you showing off the one power I can't use!
Quite “shocking” if I do say myself
Lord Sidious thank you my lord
I love that Legends has Palpatine writing an autobiography after his own death. On a more serious note, it reveals a lot about Sidious' ability to honestly critique his own methods and a surprising maturity in accepting that Vader's betrayal was entirely Sidious' own fault. No rationalization, no attempts to shift the blame. Just an honest admission that he messed up.
As a hypothetical, I wonder if Sidious was magically able to redo Anakin's manipulation from the beginning what he would do differently. It is clear he would still try to manipulate Anakin into betraying the Jedi, so perhaps something along the lines of how he trained Vader, or perhaps endeavoring to prevent Anakin's defeat on Mustafar somehow? Perhaps sending some other forces along with the newly turned Darth Vader as support? Interesting stuff to consider.
I think that, if Palpatine was to redo Vader's creation, he would ensure that Padme and her children were killed. He would know, as we've heard, that such children would be a threat to him, even if Vader didn't betray him. If Palpatine had twenty years worth of exact, pinpoint foresight, he would have killed Padme as soon as he declared himself emperor, blamed the Jedi, and Vader would be forever under his thumb. No Luke, no Leia, just an old man and his cybernetic Frankenstein's monster.
If I were a psychologist and diagnosed Palpatine, he'd be a dark empath in my book. If Palpatine were a narcopath/narcissist or a sociopath he'd never admit his mistakes. This surpisingly honest self-reflection eliminates the last two classifications.
Well if he didn't try to kill my son then I wouldn't have tossed him down
😂😂
palpatine be like: IT'S A PRANK!!
Hello there
I mean seriously the whole business about coming to the dark side was to save the family.
@@RoughTurbo hahh
I like how you referred to Bane's thoughts on the relationship between a Sith Master and Apprentice. Good tie in.
Luke: You won’t turn me. I am a Jedi like my Father before me.
Palps: So you don’t like sand either 😂
he probably did too. both Skywalkers are from Tatooine
Hah
yeah instead of shocking him with force lightning he just should have roasted Luke's ass. Made em both too ashamed to show their face, thats how you make a darksider
The very thing Sidious used to turn Anakin to the dark side (Padme), ended up being the very thing responsible for turning Vader back to the light (Luke). Sidious greatly underestimated the power of the light side of the force.
Yoda: Now experience the power of the light side you will.
Wow. Never thought about that. This comment is really underrated.
He never understood love
Palps was raised with everything and killed them all. Ani was a slave with just his mother and his love for padme when she arrived
Not even the light side, just the power of love behind Vader's passion.
Vader lifting palpatine
Palpatine: wait Vader what are doing !!!!
Vader: bringing balance to the force
Palpatine: oh ok I’ll be fine I got clones cause I’m immortal
Vader: .......
@@Drago-957
Vader "You have clones ? Good, I then have the enjoyment of killing you again and again !"
@@Drago-957 no.. its too late now.. throw him off...
had vader put him down.. sidious would have just killed both vader and luke...
and then Rey would probably be Empress of the Galaxy and the Final order.. 🤣
actually YES... i agree.. "no point" redo episode 6..
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@@InanisNihil *with kylo ren* , it would be a true monarchy, yeah nevermind throw him
Maa'Quchii I don‘t know this „Rey“ character u r speaking of because Star Wars ended with episode 6 the social justice trilogy is not Star Wars
@@katox9192 It is Star Wars, it ended in 9, no matter how much you deny it the fact remain, it ended in 9
Vader: My master you must teach me the ways of the dark side.
Palpatine: No, I have better things to do like finding a way to live forever and being arrogant.
Vader: you know I think it would be better to be with the light side and not let you kill my son because it seems like your not going to help me
Palpatine: 😥
I never really considered how like Frankenstien Sidious was; in creating their monster each creator ensures their own downfall. And Vader certainly did not bid thee create me my master 😄 xx
and it happened again with rey, cuz her father was a failed clone that turned out to become his son 😂
I think the biggest problem is that Ankakin/Vader was not a good apprentice in the first place. He could be corrupted via his fears and also might have ambitions but the main problems is, he alwas loves his mother and Padme, never really stop that feeling.
He grief might feed dark side but the feeling itself is like an achnor for the light side. To be a true Sith something have to be free from personal attachments and emotions towards others (including their family). Vader was able to push it back for a while but be knowing Luke is his Son, it hits him even harder then before. It like a tiny lttle backdoor, but throw it you can hit the core.
I agree. To be a full fleshed evil sith apprentice to Darth Sidious, one has to be a complete psychopath like the emperor himself, which mean no emotional attachment to anyone, no love and no humanity and Anakin was born with all of those things.
I respect Darth Sidious for being self-aware enough to take his responsibility for Vader redemption as a master but I doubt he would have succeeded even if he changed his approach so long that Anakin still have someone to care and love for like his son.
On Anakin part, I also believe that he is not cut out to be a Jedi nor a Sith. He should be somewhere in the middle as the true balance of the Force.
So lust for Unlimited Poweeeeeer resulted in the down fall of Palpatine..
like EVERY VILLAN EVER xd
Didn't Bane also say while thinking about what he wanted from an apprentice of his own that Sith apprentices should never have previously been Jedi, that they are forever tainted by the light.
This wasn't the case with Darth Desolous.
Bane had a lot of wisdom
@@MrFredstt Bane was a moron who expected the sith to act completely subservient to the orders needs even though thats the antithesis of what makes a sith a sith.
@@lenkagamine4145 calling someone else a moron while spouting stupidity yourself, ironic. The sith is not, nor has it ever been a person, but an organization or order, meaning that they were not sacrificing their freedom for it was their choice in the first place, they were trading their individuality for in their eyes something far greater, and that is absolute power, that is the true definition of becoming a sith.
@@dillonb5317 the people who flock to the sith are usually selfish people who want power. Why would selfish, power hungry people give up their power for the greater good (of the Sith Order)?
Bane was right, but his philosophy is pretty backwards and ironically idealistic.
2:05 *record screech* It’s your boy, Palpatine. I bet you’re wondering how I ended up here.
Love this for no other reason than it ignores the sequel trilogy.
"We're still cool, this is just a bit right?"
-Palpatine atop Vader's shoulders moments before being thrown into a reactor
One of Palpatine's flaws is the failure to acknowledge that there are fates worse than death.
In the end some would rather embrace death at the hands of those they betrayed than walk further down the path of that betrayal. For some it is better to die in the light than live in the dark.
And now through Sidious we see the rule of two's fatal weakness Bane's rule of two assumes that the master has no legit desire to stay alive Sidious never had any intention of ever dieing so Vader could replace him heck Sidious's own master didn't intend for his apprentice to replace him at all but Sidious's intention was never for Vader to eventually replace him but just for him to have a powerful servant under the guise of being a apprentice
Yep. Sidious and plagueis justified themselves by believing they were the last of the banite sith and fulfilled their purpose
@@TY-km8hj exactly right you're 💯
Sith lords that are so arrogant it becomes stupid. Plagueis The Wise was unable to comprehend the black hole of a man he taught everything would get rid of him. And then the apprentice does the same thing with underestimation.
@@Aivottaja as little as I know of the EU, I think both Bane and Plagueis "the wise" indeed had kinda a Sith sense of honour which Sidious completly lacked
Yeah, I always found that ironic. "Concern for others is weakness. You must pursue nothing but power and your own self-interest. Cast aside any beliefs, laws or relationships that do not serve your own ambitions. Accept your own death at your apprentice's hands so that some future Sith Lord may be more powerful than you, and so that the guy who wrote these rules doesn't get remembered as the biggest idiot in the long, sorry history of Sith fuck-ups."
With his deep contemplation of situations. I doubt that he would lose to Rey especially they way he did.
He's too smart to lose in such a underwhelming way and would learn from his mistakes.
I remember when I was young, I felt bad for Palpatine's death being betrayed by his 'friend' (what I have thought was young). Don't judge me. Lol 😂
Jynx97 He’s like that evil grandfather everyone loves.
It's kinda funny because it's actually the exact opposite anakin always thought of palpatine as a friend then when he lost to obiwan he was treated horribly by palpatine
Judging you so hard.
I watched episodes 1 to 6 in chronological order so I saw Sidious as a monster, I was never more satisfied than when Vader overthrew him
@@darthtroller I felt satisfaction after doing just that.
Palpatine: “hahaha I tortured Vader for decades and now I’m gonna get away with it-“
Vader: “oh hell no.” **YEET**
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man, I was so PUMPED for Star Wars back then, especially after Force Awakens. The possibilities were maddening and the lore from legends proved to be so much richer than anticipated.
Then The Last Jedi happened and I got lost, I didn't even hate the movie by any means but the way all those narrative threads were closed midway through the trilogy just pulled me out of Star Wars for a while. Can't say Rise of Skywalker helped me at all, but man, I missed this.
Vader was neither Sith nor Jedi. His true loyalty was to family. Both events that caused him to 'turn' one way and then back, were when he felt the life of his wife and then his son were at risk.
Yet, he force chokes Padme which led her to lose the will to live. Chops his son's hand off and allows Papaltine to use force lightning on him. Tortures his own daughter and forces her to watch her own planet get blown to bits. What a family man!
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Palpatine:You turned him against me!
Luke:You did that yourself
Whether it was Legends or Canon, the weird relationship between the Emperor and Vader always caught ne up. In many ways, it felt like he didn't need Vader, and just kept him around for lols. Sometimes he'd send him after Jedi, while other times he'd chastise Vader for his obsession. He wanted Vader's attention on point; there were things they needed to do in the Empire, but then sometimes Darth Vader's place in it seemed nebulous. He had the Chosen One, but then didn't seem to have a use for him. Perhaps together they were meant to unlock true secrets to the Dark Side, but then they couldn't deliver, and Palpatine did keep an eye out for replacements, in some continuity, but never really tried to replace Vader.
Of course, some of Palpatine's own failures can possibly be attributed to his own lineage; Darth Tenebrous and Darth Plagueius each also had a corrupt view of the Rule of Two, and where they saw the future going. The Bith Sith qasnt the mightiest Sith Lord, but he wad powerful and capable; he used his precognitive ability to literally create his own apprentice...and then didn't really teach him much, because he already seemed to have planned to daisy chain his conscience from one body to the next, in an effort to acquire that of the Chosen One. Plagueius also seemed wrong. At first, I think he did teach, though Sidious was stringing along a literal Sith Lord, even then, but then he almost died, and disappeared into seclusion. Muchvlike Tenebrous, Plagueius wanted to live forever, and so focused on himself. He stopped seeing Palpatine as his future replacement, or even a threat, and actually started to trust the sociopathic human he had already pushed to kill those close to him. Well before the Emperor, it would look like the fate of Bane's lineage was already skewed, and Palpatine just continued that yo its conclusion; the "conclusion" of the Sith Order.
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Palpatine's postmortum analysis on the situation is wrong. He can take all the blame he wants, but the fact of the matter is that this outcome was unavoidable because everything that transpired throughout Anakin's life was *the will of the Force acting through him as it's vessel.*
Sidious can reflect on his strategic missteps for all eternity, but just like his former master Darth Plagueis warned him decades earlier, if their grand plans for galactic domination were to indeed one day become a reality, they were in danger of locking their fates onto a path with an inescapable fate at the end because it will be the Force itself who retaliates to keep them in check. While Plagueis became more and more unnerved by this possibility later in life, Sidious had always dismissed such notions as paranoia, arrogantly considering the Force nothing more than a tool to be manipulated and controlled through the sheer force of his will alone.
Because of this flawed perspective, Sidious was always going to see his master plans go unrealized, and would ultimately be defeated as result. The mere ability to interact with the Force as a Force-sensitive doesn't exclude you from ever being subject to the Force's own sentient will. Remember, the Force is a living entity as well-- and it's will is of far greater power than anything a Sith lord can conjure.
Sidious forgot that he was just another Force user in a galaxy overrun with them. Someone whose only 'power' comes from channeling the tiny, discarded fractions of endless power that the Force emanates into all of existence. It's immense power crackling like into creation like moisture off a river that Force users harness. Confusing your own place in the metaphysical ecosystem is certain failure.
It's the equivalent of humanity assuming that just because we can collect and transmit energy with solar panels here on the Earth's surface, this means we've achieved domination over the sun itself. That's the equivalent miscalculation that Sidious made when assuming his ability to manipulate portions of the Force gave him total mastery over it.
A fitting end, as ambition and arrogance have been the demise of villains for time immemorial.
Didn't read all that, but you might be right.
The force turned Anakin into Vader to cull the Jedi, then turned him back into Anakin to take out the Emperor, killing the Empire.
An entire Jedi culture > 2 Sith
1 Jedi > 2 Sith
2 Jedi > 1 sith
1 Jedi > 1 sith (Sidious in Rise of Skywalker)
Then the Dyad in the force
Kylo + Rey (Light+Dark) > Sidious
**SPOILER**
Then finally
Just Rey, containing both light and dark sides of the force.
Having alleged true balance.
Edit:
Finn being force sensitive doesn't upset this balance, considering he's not a Jedi.
Being force sensitive doesn't upset the balance, picking a side, does.
Outstanding comment, deep on so many levels.
I agree, apart from Finn being force sensitive but not a Jedi.. it's not taking sides that affects balance, in every deed or action there is light and dark, often outside our knowledge, balance is surrender to the will of the force, in a way a form of noble ignorance? It's this that creates what term balance.. beyond Sith or Jedi..
@@tylerjaynes822 in disney star wars that may be true. In Star Wars Lucas stated that the dark side is the sentients ego warping the force.
So there can be trillions of light side users and 1 sith and the force is unbalanced just like a lake of water is not still if it has a single wave
This only makes sense if you suppose that its impossible for sidious to have done anythign differently. Theres a million different scenarios that end with sidious's victory. Other than the old republic games, the force is never really suggested to have absolute control of reality. If sidious had just dropped his need to have an apprentice, he would've been fine. Vader couldnt defeat him if sidious went up against him on his own.
I think that Sidious's ultimate failure was unavoidable - as a Sith, he was emotional. He felt pride in keeping 'the Chosen One' not only as his apprentice, but also as somebody weaker than himself and unable to reach him. Logically, Vader's relationship with Sidious was broken from the moment he was put in the suit, as even the guilty, broken and confused man that Vader was could tell that Sidious only made life worse for him - and not 'just' worse, but a living hell. Anakin laughed all the time, while Vader never did. In order to remedy Vader's great dejection even a little and make him appreciate their master-student relationship, Sidious would have to actually deliver on his promise of training him and allowing him to grasp real power. But Palps knew that this would put Vader into striking range of him, and to avoid that taught him very little - thus giving Vader no reason at all to feel any affection or true, personal respect for him.
In short: Palpatine had a choice between a Vader who hated his guts but couldn't touch him, and a Vader who might have respected him but would most likely murder him and continue the Rule of Two, and he chose the former.
Love or hate him, at least Palpatine owns up to his mistakes.
Turns out Anakin was too old to join the Sith as well.
There is some wisdom to be found in the ancient sith.
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An apprentice can eventually overcome a master, but as once stated: “A master without an apprentice is a master of nothing.”
Right.... because not taking sudden, decisive action is what everyone thinks of when they imagine Darth Vader.
Palpatine died in return of the jedi
Disney laughs in squeaky mouse voice.
And because Disney used that, they forget that he came back in Legends as well.
Sidious: "I knew I shouldn't have underestimated the High ground"
It is interesting for him to be so wise to have the self reflection, to think and feel this way. Not to be blinded by hate or pride or hubris, even in the face of betrayal. Sidious really is a fascinating character.
This is an excellent distillation of the heart of the story.
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Yes , Luke played a part of turning Vader to the light .
But .
Darth Sidious made a big mistake .
Sidious made it that Vader had lost EVERYTHING except for him , then mentally and physically tortured Vader for two decades ...
Which made Vader HATE him .
When Vader realized that he hadn't lost EVERYTHING , he still had two children.
Then he made the decision to kill his true enemy , the man who destroyed his life and killed Padme..
This reminds of the end of Robot Chicken Star Wars where Palpatine talks about how much he screwed up in his life
In Legends, Palpatine was inheritor to a breakdown in the Banite Sith Order that began with Plaguis's own master, Tenebrous. Tenebrous broke the Rule of Two by training a second secret apprentice, and sought a way to possess the body of the future born Chosen One. To this end, Darth Tenebrous instilled a great fear of death in his apprentice Darth Plaguis, thus starting Plaguis's (and thus Palpatine's) obsession with immortality. When Palpatine created the Rule of One, it was the end of the Sith.
For another reason to listen to Bane!
So Darth Vader turning on his master is just like Frankenstein’s monster turning on Doctor Frankenstein.
Darth Bane was truly wise beyond his years
Palpatine didn't realize that Vader still loved Padme and his children. Luke and Leia were the only living connections he had to his wife, thought that in his rage he had killed them all. Then when Luke was revealed to have been the surviving son of Anakin Skywalker and Padme Amidala, that familial connection was the conflict Luke saw in his father.
The fact that Bane's Sith Order lasted so long is a damn miracle.
Ironically, it was Sidious who betrayed Sith doctrine by refusing to do what a Sith master is supposed to do; train an apprentice to replace him. Vader on the hand did exactly what a Sith apprentice is supposed to do; killing his master.
Sidious while falling down the shaft: “TRAITOR!”
Vader: “No. You (gasp) are the (wheeze) traitor!”
If you're a teacher(Sidious) and your student(Vader) does poorly but tries hard it isn't the students fault.
Lol “Sidious having an epiphany in his final moments as he traveled down the elevator shaft”
Sidious as he falls: And now, the end is near
And so I face the final curtain
My friend, I'll make it clear
I'll state my case, of which I am certain
I've lived a life that's full
I traveled each and every highway
And more, much more
I did it, I did it my way
It's much more than this
Love your videos, man. Probably my favorite Star Wars RUclipsr out there. However, the title is pretty misleading. Sidious never stated outright that he blamed himself for Vader's redemption. In fact Sidious has stated numerous times that he believed Vader could never be redeemed and was a broken man. Even after Sidious resurrected himself through clone bodies in Dark Empire, he told Luke the same thing.
Palpatine was like Orichomaru from Naruto. He could transfer his soul into other people or bodies.
"Some people claim that there's a jedi to blame, but I know. It's my own damn fault."
-Sheev Mellencamp
Palpy was too lazy to even see that Vader would turn back to the Light side, becoming Anakin Skywalker again!!
It makes actually more sense that books would be the majority of force knowledge. When I read novels , all I ever noticed is that for every one holocron thousands of books exist. Being a big time novel reader back in the nineties when all these books where new. I enjoyed a golden age of reading.
"The 'Great' Darth Vader was a sick man in an iron mask."
Bane started as a Sith Lord looking like an icp juggalo and ended looking like a brain coral.
Ya Vader was just a weapon lile a lightsaber for Palpatine. Thus is why Palpatine never had a Lightsaber facing Luke
Well Palpatine finds lightsabers a barbaric weapon from an old time. He dislikes using a lightsaber unless it is absolutely neccessary. He prefers using force lightning over a saber at any time.
For another reason to have never listened to Bane in the first place. The Rule of two was a failure of epic proportions. Plagius and Sidious could have done so much more without it, and worrying about an apprentice killing them or messing up their own plans.
The rule of two saved the sith from infighting that had fractured the sith nearly beyond repair. The sith a millennium ago were so broken and divided acting as warlords with multiple apprentices who were all weaker than their very weak master.
One interesting aspect of palpatine is the mutual hatred he and his father had for one another and how this ended in murder. Ultimately his downfall was that he just didn't understand the strength of love that can exist between father and son
So In the Palpatine finally showed kindness to Vader?
Thanks again for sharing your hard work
I have a question. Didnt the sith order go extinct a few times since darth vectivus didnt train an apprentice. So how did the order survive?
I guess some weak minded jedi found a copy of their teaching.
You cannot destroy an idea.
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Seeing him fall down that shaft tickles me Jedi can you use the force to make other things float but not themselves
All this has happened before, and it will happen again. Such is the fate of those who follow either the light or the dark, for one cannot exist without the other.
Aww! I think in his own twisted evil way, he always loved Vader!
3:50 so then it's like a SW version of Frankenstein? XD
So Palpatine admits that if he could create another Darth Vader he would with much enthusiasm. Well....we all know how that turns out.
Vader was an ace at others taking the blame. Obi "Its my fault he turned dark" Wan. Emperor "My bad you went light again" Palpatine
I agree 100%. So this is legend I think we see it if we watch the movies.
The emperor was too arrogant in ROTJ. He had no charm, nor patience, like he did in the prequel trilogy.
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Well, bright side, he didn't have long to regret that mistake!
Bro, I LOVE this!
Vader, are we good? Is this a little but my fault?
He was not reborn. I refuse to accept such ridiculous plot points.
Great video!
Darth Sidious was the actual prophesized chosen one, for it was his actions that led to balance in the force. He orchestrated the destruction of the Jedi and the Sith. Leading to complete balance.
Change my mind.
Lucas himself said Anakin was the chosen one
With that logic you could say palpatines mother was the chosen one because she gave birth to the reason the force was balenced XD
How about the fact that if not for Vader, Sidious would have probably never died even once? Before Sidious was dead, the dark side was stronger and the force was imbalanced.
Advo wow you are stupid Anakin is the chosen one not darth sidious
Awesome Video!!!!
Sidious - "You will pay for your lack of vision!"
Vader - "Really, then what's that behind you?"
Sidious - "Huh? What the... no, no, NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!"
Sidious saw Darth Bane’s predictions and said, “nah! Ain’t going to happen to me”
Sidious After the Battle of Endor: “well shit.. I fucked up badly”
Now I'm imagining sidious giving Vader the 'daddy's little monster' from the suicide squad movie
If you slowly torture a loved family member to death with electricity right in front of them you should probably expect a little intervention
In my opinion the main reason that vader turned to the light was with a flaw in palpatine's method to getting an apprentice. Anakin only became vader for padme but once she died the only reason he stayed loyal to sidious is because he had no one else, due to padme being the reason for anakin's fall once he found someone else (luke) he left sidious as he never fully wanted to be a sith
Sidious understood he was responsible for his own downfall, but he still didn’t seem to learn the importance of the rule of 2. Both in legends and the sequel trilogy sidious was STILL obsessed with immortality
What about Sidious' "fourth quarter conversion to the light side", as shown in the now canon "Robot Chicken" episode?
Sidious' book was Amazon's top seller for many years.
"W-we're still cool, right? This is a bit?"
He should have treated Vader better.