A Critique of Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Part 3
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- Опубликовано: 29 апр 2024
- This is Part 3 of 6 of a series of videos all about Star Wars: The Force Awakens.
We continue where we essentially left off, Han Solo meeting Rey and Finn, leading to the Rathtar's scene. A scene filled with confusing and contradictory writing along with monster meatballs.
Soon after, we progress into the very chunky middle portion of the plot line while taking tangents into The Lord of the Rings, Captain America: Civil War, The Shining, Ready Player One, The Simpsons and more in this 4 hour selection of Star Wars analysis.
The cameos that were present in the older parts have now been removed from current and future instalments because they are drastically out of date - My fault for the production time taking so long. Otherwise, the video is essentially very similar to the two previous parts in form.
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0:00:00 - Introduction.
0:00:51 - Han Solo's reputation.
0:02:08 - The executions of nostalgia in storytelling.
0:09:29 - The miserable tale of Han Solo and his dice.
0:13:28 - Opening up Rey and Han's relationship and what it costs.
0:17:00 - The many mistakes in writing during the Rathtar scene.
0:23:40 - The execution of throwaway lines in storytelling.
0:36:58 - You should go and Watch YMS' video on Kimba: The White Lion.
0:39:18 - Rey solves problems by accident and without requiring appreciation for it.
0:43:22 - Han Solo has been irreparably damaged.
0:46:09 - Who is to blame for the fugitives escaping?
0:47:27 - Addressing (Character X was always incompetent)
0:57:55 - How The First Order's targets are backwards and why.
1:04:04 - The characterisation that was intended and the result.
1:09:59 - Wish fulfilment characters don't have definition. - What are her choices?
1:26:19 - Explaining Luke's disappearance and the map.
1:30:05 - Developing Rey and Han's relationship - What could have been.
1:38:56 - What is ADR and what can we infer about TFA in relation to it?
1:44:33 - The difference in cantina execution between ANH and TFA.
1:45:36 - Maz Kanata is confusing.
1:49:44 - What is Kylo's goal? Why is the helmet here and Anakin is not?
1:54:17 - Infinite product to consume.
2:00:14 - Maz's advice and purpose.
2:01:38 - Addressing Finn's character history and consistency.
2:09:16 - The new Stormtroopers and why they are particularly incompetent.
2:12:09 - Cosmonaut Variety Hour is entirely hypocritical when discussing media.
2:17:50 - How characters are often introduced and understood and how that compares to Rey.
2:20:16 - Anakin's Lightsaber and the Force-back.
2:36:44 - What is the Republic and does this world care?
2:39:57 - The physics/resources of Starkiller base.
2:46:38 - (That's not how space works) how lazy writing can destroy a franchise.
3:01:28 - Maz's motivation?
3:04:01 - Rey has developed sharp shooting and the cantina has been destroyed.
3:12:52 - Rian Johnson's baffling decisions when it comes to deleted scenes and an explanation from Rich Evans.
3:18:04 - Maz vs. Yoda - The difference in creation when comparing the trilogies.
3:21:33 - Finn's encounter with a very specific kind of trooper and what that means.
3:29:10 - Rey is captured by Kylo Ren, How and why?
3:35:29 - A counter to Whataboutism
3:37:45 - The Outro - Links to other content.
3:45:39 - MauLer Merchandise!
3:51:48 - Stingers. 
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Me: TFA Part 3 is so late
TFA Part 3: A space wizard for children is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to.
This made me laugh more than it should have.
Leben Heisst Leben. MauLer is MauLer.
This post contains a suspicious amount of good rat with women. FOR NO REASON.
I'm enticed to give you a like...
*For no reason!*
The Star Wars sequel trilogy really are amazing films. You can learn all that there is to know about their dogshit bastard contrivances in a month, and yet after a hundred years you can still find more.
too short
where is part 4?
That's just because you got kicked 4 minutes in
Nah, he just needed more rhino milk
You’re too short Jay
Waaaay too short... Step up yer game "Longmanbad".
shut up
“If you’re a famous smuggler, you’re not doing it right.”
That was one hell of a dagger
damn no comments? tragic fr.
In Legends Han was a hero, good husband, and a good father. These sequels were so disrespectful.
Yes! And he had to deal with the loss of two sons, and sure it broke him, but not to this kinda level of pathetic. Kylo Ren is discount Darth Caedus
Sorry man your comment hit hard. Hard truth, but damn are you spot on
Stabbed and tossed down an endless chasm...a death usually reserved for villainous characters. Disney's way of bitch-slapping him out of existence.
@@davey_boy94 plus the way they treated his Indiana Jones character in the most recent movie. I dont understand who this kinda of stuff is supposed to be catered to. Clearly not true fans
@@DarthImagnus0790 It's Disney's way of saying, "Out with the old, in with the new." The characters we once loved are either killed off unceremoniously or reduced to shadows of their former selves. And it'll keep happening as long as the cash flow keeps up.
Beating a dead horse has never been so entertaining before.
In the words of a wise man:
"Sometimes the horse needs to be nuked from orbit"
- Weekend Warrior
Disney and KK are still in charge of Star Wars.That horse ain't dead yet!
@@janbosch5951 "It's the only way to be sure."
throwaway line: *exists*
MauLer: I'm bouta objectively assess this man's whole career
Its justified because there are still some people who pretend these 3+ horses arent dead and are in fact totally fine and dandy.
>says it'll be released in August
>released in July
"A surprised to be sure, but a welcomed one." -Senator Bilbeev Palpaggins.
Creamy Bilbo himself
I don't even remember the others anymore.
Intentionally manipulating us to watch the old videos again confirmed
>says it'll be released in August
(2019)
>released in July (2020)
@@mariusvanc tbf I only remember them saying August of this year from this year's EFAPs
Remember when MauLer said the script for the entire series was finished before he even dropped the first video?
MauLer doesn't.
This is not a roast, this is a slow cook barbecue. Love it.
MauLer’s ‘tangent’ on Rey’s character and character construction in general, showed me again, how well spoken MauLer is and how well thought out his positions are. Writing articulate scripts this long are one thing, but writing them with provable positions, intelligent conclusions, and relevant sources is a whole other thing.
I don’t know if MauLer has any professional or university education, but it doesn’t matter. He clearly loves the craft, understands it, and studies it; all to a far greater extent then many others and even ‘professional’ critics. I love when I find someone skilled in a creative art or ‘non-creative’ skill that (presumably), the person doesn’t have big time professional education on.
They have passion, discipline and a will to learn.
Excellent job MauLer. This series is genuinely incredible.
Could not have said it better myself.
He's one of the best at this kind of thing. I know I've found something important when I hear a guy being critical of a film who can seamlessly change tone and start complimenting some part of the movie for some redeemable quality right in the middle of tearing it apart.
That displays integrity and simple logic.
It also adds weight to everything else he says by proving that he can be trusted to be honest, even when it requires him to spend time researching evidence "against" the main hypothesis that he has been formulating in the rest of his discussion.
Well said
He really makes you realize Rey is a plot device, not a character.
Me: It's my day off but I don't know what to do for the next 4 hours
MauLer: "Hello there"
"... ladies and gentlemen."
I've been out of work since April and I need stuff to watch for the next 4 hours.
Loooooooongman Good! This is perfect. I've got a long boring shift at work tonight and this is just what I needed. Totally worth the wait,!
Yup I am downloading it now and could watch it this evening. And it's not even my Brithday!!
Now if Redlettermedia would finish the Plinkett ROSW review i'd be set!!
4h? Shit, i not only forgot what happened in Part 1 and 2 ... i also forgot about that garbage movie because i saw it last time in "preparation" for Part 1 and 2 ... so i have to wath that Dumpsterfire of a movie again AND Part 1 and 2 ... Hello Weekend!
Jar Jar Abrams technique:
Take something that exists, misunderstand it completely,
play off emotions over substance,
lay a minefield's worth of mystery boxes,
have an answer for none of them,
profit despite incompetence,
leave town before anyone discovers you're a fraud.
You've got it.
He's like the monorail man from the Simpsons.
@@DonVigaDeFierro Well, sir, there's nothing on earth like a genuine, bona fide electrified, six-car monorail. What'd I say?
He is intellectual cancer incarnate. And I mean it: he h been party to the Passive Progressive, Leftist Regressive, bad story writing, emphasis on skin and junk rather than *character,* etc. etc. He has been behind the slow rot and death of not one, but TWO franchises with Star in the name... and too much radiation from stars gives you cancer.
My brain hurts!,
Except he didn’t leave town before being discovered he’s a fraud thanks to TROS.
You can't just start a mutiny with a handful of people, you need a strong majority of the crew behind you, if not the entire crew, else you end up with loyalists defending their captain from mutineers.
So the fact that Poe was able to successfully mutiny and take command without any sort of fire fight, shows right there that nobody but the people around Holdo (like, more than likely literally the people standing around her when Poe relieves her of command) believed in her having a plan at all.
Crimson Tide with Denzel Washington and Gene Hackman comes to mind as an example of a far more well-written command dispute/mutiny. Its treatment of the realities of command and plain old human behavior are well done, and come from very believable characters and circumstances. A good example of how much better Holdo's subplot could have been.
Something I think could have made a big difference in the "bypassing the compressor" scene, would be if Han was yelling instructions about how to fix the ship while avoiding enemy fighters, they don't jump straight to hyper speed in this version. No one knows the ship better than Han. So he yells out something, and is impressed when Rey understands what he needs under pressure. This facilitates the job offer bit, a little better, I think, and it doesn't require undercutting Han, while still allowing Rey to be very impressive. I mean how many people can fix their own car, much less a spaceship, flying in combat conditions.
It's explained in the movie that the compressor is part of a few modifications Unkar made to the Millennium Falcon that Rey knew about, possibly helped with, but Han obviously did not.
HAN: "Hey! Some moof-milker put a compressor on the ignition line!"
REY: "Unkar Plutt did. I thought it was a mistake too, puts too much stress on the hyperdrive."
REY: "Unkar Plutt installed a fuel pump too -- if we don't prime that we're not going anywhere."
HAN: "I hate that guy."
Then a moment later she removes the compressor.
Lol funny conservative joke. Rey has experience of taking apart ships. She'd figure out stuff by scavenging
You could even add in something simple like her cutting him off if she absolutely MUST be better than everyone. He starts yelling out his orders, something like “patch the fuel lines to the hyperdrive, do that then-“ and she shouts back “Yeah, yeah, bypass the compressor, I’m doing that!” Funny AND realistic
@@Darkgolem127 Bruh, at least come up with an argument.
@@goosegas2087 bruh that was a pretty valid argument pointing out that Rey has experience scavenging so that’s a possible reason she knows how to fix ships. I mean the movie leaves context for the audience and didn’t just say she’s good at stuff it actually explains it by simply looking at the context. Show and don’t tell basically.
Commoner: "MauLer, stop, it's already dead!"
Toxic Brood: "DEW IT"
I approve of this message
He does like beating a dead shit horse.
@@jakesnow5728 this horse is a zombie horse.
@@jakesnow5728 To be fair, the dead horse keeps making funny fart noises.
@@joandreintong1928 And that's enough reason to beat anything.
US: "Why is Han poorly handled?"
MauLer: "A good question... for another four hour video."
With part 2 to follow.
I didn't even look at the time until this comment. Four hours? Guess I'm not sleeping tonight.
At least he answers the damn question :P
And this is why the longman is bad, too short.
The whole story was awful and the characters don't work. I wanted to see Jacen, Jaina, and Anakin Solo (or name him Ben) and have the Skywalker saga become the Solo saga. Oh and no Daisy Ridley, she just doesn't work. I'd have cast Lilly Collins.
I love the "not a scratch" scene in eoisode 6. I didnt catch it as a kid, but his words imply he's only worried about his belived spaceship being damaged, but his expressions and his little salute at the end make it clear that hes concerned about lando. Hes basically saying "dont you dare die on me". And you can see how lando understanda that and with his "good luck" line he implies "dont you worry about me, just make sure you get back home safe too"
Great writing, great acting. So many things said both in text and subtext.
Still one of the best things MauLer has ever done is the in-depth look at throwaway lines. Poignant, informative, and funny
Rag'sssssss prediction - August 2020
Mauler's video - July 2020
Long Man 1, Doggo 0
I’m guessing the Doggo will refute that
I guess that makes two things Rag's was wrong about: TFA3 and ATLA.
@Frieza1500 Oh man wouldn't that be great! 😃
@@OutsideTheTargetDemographic And anime. And politics. And his taste in holidays.
He 100% just posted it to proof him wrong.
Mauler: For 1,000s of Year i lay dormant, who has disturbed my-
J.J: Hey best buddy.
Mauler: Oh it's you idiot
"Do you really believe your own hype?" Mauler: "I AM the hype!"
Never have I come across a more perfect comment.
Mauler: DO YOU AFRAID
J.J.: Kinda
Mauler:BAZINGAAATTACKUH
is this a dba reference
Damn I miss DBZA
Oh my gosh, I had never seen that cut part when Carrie says “I know my son’s gone”. It actually brought tears to my eyes! Why oh why would they choose the version we got in the movie over this?! Yet another absolutely baffling decision
The editors saved episode 4 and destroyed the new trilogy
Frankly, at this point, there's probably been enough discarded footage that they could totally rework TFA and begin redoing the trilogy into something that isn't total garbage. Not that the Mouse would ever admit that it's worthless propaganda was anything other than superlative and beloved by every person on Earth, but just the amount of stuff I've seen tossed out from review videos leads me to believe this could totally get a redo a la the Snyder Cut and maybe not be totally awful.
I don’t think the asshole wanted us to take any of the OT characters seriously, or even truly get to mourn them, because they were just something to be used, defamed, and discarded out of spite - that scene with Leia and Luke, or the scene of Luke mourning Han, would have gone against that, allowing us to connect with those characters again on a profound emotional level, so the testicle-headed narcissistic shit-for-brains cut them out…
JJ Abams is a master at completely misunderstanding the IP and the characters he's working with, normalizing everything into flashy, normie blockbuster. Squishing what made it unique and amplifying its boring trope. The perfect man for Hollywood, dare I say!
Mystery boxes and flashing lights.
*sees MauLer’s newest video*
*slams laptop closed*
WHAT’D YOU BRING ME
*opens laptop again*
Quick, play Batwamen's theme!
*I'mma wamaaaaaannnn...*
@@amanibob1416 Dun dun dun dun dundundundundun
@@VerilyViscous Bwa bwa bwaaa, bwa bwa bWAAA, bwa bwa BWAAAAA-BWAAAAAAAAAA
I love his fandom more than anyone else I watch on RUclips.
This pleases me greatly.
I agree, good drinker sir
It will be fine
Go away now
Collab with Brie Larson, when? ;)
Brie Larson wants your location.
Funny how Mauler used "Fly" from Breaking Bad as an example of a bottle episode, as it was actually directed by our old friend Rian Johnson.
Did he write it though?
I 100% expected Anakin's Force ghost to show up and be the turning point for Ben Solo. From the first trailer of TFA, I thought, "Where's Anakin's ghost? I bet he's gonna show up to intercede with Kylo and make him rethink his whole life," but no. When viewing TROS in theaters when Han says, "Hey kid," I thought that was it. I thought Kylo was going to turn around to see glowing Hayden Christensen. Instead we got a hallucination of Han. How foolish of me to think they might have a shred of narrative sense.
Also, I loved TFA when I first saw it, and defended it from critics all the way up until TLJ came out, and I haven't watched it since as it was retroactively ruined. Watching these videos is making me realize how many times I thought, "Well that was dumb," to myself while watching the movie, but I kept going with it because I wanted so badly for it to be good. What a shame. So much wasted potential.
I'm really enjoying this series by the way. I'm addicted to sequel critiques at this point and your step by step analysis has been excellent so far!
Which is even more embarassing when you realize that the scene with Kylo and Han's ghost is probably the best part of that movie, hell, the whole trilogy.
The idea of Christensen's Anakin intervening as a force ghost is deeply satisfying for me. It would be wonderful to see Hayden framed in OT Anakin's redemption, basking in some of the glory.
@@ryanrehfuss Disney truly doesn't understand Star Wars and the message of the story the original 6 films tell. They completely forgot that Vader was redeemed in the end. Now in the Ahsoka show the took an entire episode to have her interact with Hayden's Anakin and they never even MENTION his redemption. It's all about how he became evil. Like, yeah, it's cool to see that stuff, but when you ignore the most powerful message of Star Wars because you think people just want to see big bad Vader you've completely lost everything Star Wars was meant to be in the first place.
I said the same thing on another reply. Bringing Anakin back to talk to Kylo in Ep7, while keeping him well-written, would finish Hayden's redemption arc and add to Vader's. But nah, kill the past, right?
Also Ren should've betrayed Luke, not the other way around. I mean he slaughtered every Jedi at the temple but spared him nonetheless, even after Luke didn't show him the same courtesy. But that's probably preaching to the choir here lol.
Disney and the Cast: “Maz and Phasma are such... deep and complex characters who really have a impact on the story and who were sure fans will come to love after seeing them in action”
*finally sees the characters in actions*
Disney shills: “I love them! Such depth!”
Everyone else: “they.... they didn’t do anything... Phasma literally didn’t do anything and Maz is a orange downgraded copy of Yoda.”
Phasma disabled an entire planet's shield. A planet full of troopers and allegedly high security measures. That's something, right?
@@LordEvrey Did it accomplish anything though?
Me cat just left a deeper and more complex entity in its litter box.
@@jwjakloaaj7942 yeah destruction of starkiller base and her death oh wait
Only to learn in TLJ that her armor is blaster proof.
So why did she cooperate with them if she is immune to blasters?
Finally getting TFA Part 3 after almost 2 years
*This is where the fun begins*
Has it really been that long, man?
It's *arrived* !!!!!!
I was still in high school when TFA Part 2 came out and now I'm in college. Crazy to think about.
@@CalebHimself Greatest comment ever. It's only 2 years, but it's a lifetime during that specific period of life. OK, maybe not the greatest comment, but I sure had a laugh.
I've been looking forward to this
In Episode IV, the imperial commander wasn't denying that the Jedi existed, he was doubting their true power, because the clones and the Empire destroyed them and almost everyone on that religion.
It's not that he was thinking the Jedi and the Force existed or were real... He was implying that their power is not so great if the Empire brought them to their knees
And then Vader proceeded to choke him out in front of everyone to prove just how wrong he was.
This is an urgent PSA.
Eight minutes of the critique have been removed. Evidence is present in the Wayback Machine, where the original comes out to a runtime of 3:52:44. The most egregious example is present at 2:42:00, where his speech on JJ's 'Science experiment' comments have been removed in their entirety.
The best few minutes of this video have been erased, and that is a crime against art.
Edit: WE'RE BACK BABY!!!
LET'S F***ING GO :D
Oh thank fuck i thought I was going crazy!! Why was it erased?
@@balthier1706 conspiracy theory part of my brain says youtube is splicing bits of it out, maybe for 'content breaches' or somebody asking to have them removed in order to destroy it for future viewings. I really have no idea, and it drives me nuts.
I love how the Last Jedi is so bad, its flaws that never made it into its own Critique are now seeping into this one!
Ugh I HATED that film. I promise it will not age well....
@@nathanharris6450 "You don't something you something hate, you something something you love."
It makes an excellent point of contrast and comparison as both films fail horribly, about half the same reasons and half wholely distinct.
Thee are too many for just the 4.5 hours...
I did briefly forget that this was supposed to be about TFA when he was digging into Rian Johnson again.
I’m hoping that this trilogy will be officially non-canon.
What trilogy?
Don't remember no trilogy no nuthin', no sir
Don't we all?
I'd much prefer for this trilogy to be unofficially canon.
It’s doesn’t really matter , The damage is done
2:12:18 Love this part. Totally agree about Cosmonaut being a hypocrite after watching too many of his videos that are not Star Wars related.
Especially on tasm 1 when he talked about the revenge part, Peter Parker has to mature from something
"If you're a famous smuggler, you're not doin' it ryte."
He's definitely not wrong.
"Rey is what the audience wants to be."
Me and the boys just wanting to be Clone Troopers: It's time for you to leave, sir.
Clone troopers? It's team Dark Trooper all the way!
OG Leia for me. I would have loved to see what she was capable of in a new trilogy, pity, messily ripped off New Hope and Spaceballs, never saw the third movie. Hollywood really needs fresh blood. I'm reminded of The Majestic, too many years of the script guys from that movie.
Watch those wrist rockets!
Real talk, though. For all my respect for Luke, he is not who I wanna be in the story, and Rey is just a very bad and bland R63 of Luke done wrong.
the real question is, WHY RUIN JOHNSON didin't BOICOT Rey but the resto of the saga ?!
I want to be an imperial pilot, for the stability it bring to the galaxy.
Your logic is hateful. Your reasoning is offensive. Your facts are deplorable. You, Sir, are toxic beyond all redemption.
So when's part four?
Logic cannot be hateful.
@@30noir That is exactly what someone from the toxic brood would say.
it's all the fault of these massives
Slice and dice my fellow broodlings
@@30noir LOL, Logic?
We’re at the point now where our children will be able to watch parts 1, 2, 3, and 4 of Mauler’s Force Awakens critique in a day! Amazing times!
The "I will finish what you started" line would have been good setup for Ben being a double agent. It would also explain his "pull to the light" and that he uses the helmet as a conduit to commune with Anakin's spirit.
If they absolutely had to have Luke in exile the only way it could really make sense in my mind would be to have him forced into exile after it was revealed that Darth Vader was his father, or have him in "exile" as a means of faking his death and maintaining Ben's cover as a double agent.
This is similar to what I was thinking: Have Anakin show up repeatedly as a force ghost to Ren because he sees the light in him (like Luke did for Anakin) and he doesn't want him to follow his path. That way we could finish Hayden Christenson's redemption arc, as well as add to Vader's. Then, in Episode VIII, the reveal could be that REN betrayed LUKE with his knights of Ren but couldn't bring himself to kill his uncle, but slaughtered the other Jedi nonetheless. Thus, he forces Luke to retreat into hiding to try to covertly rebuild the Jedi without alerting the Empire (cough) First Order. And seeing how everything in these movies seems to take place in a couple of weeks, it'd make sense that Luke hadn't made any progress yet when Rey finds him. He could be nervous about training her because he (like us) can't seem to get an accurate read on her motivations but will of course want to teach her how to control her power before she does anything dangerous (like accidentally blowing up a ship with a series favorite on it).
I should probably stop before I rewrite both of these movies lol.
When I hear soldiers have been "trained from birth", I expect total badasses like Halo's Spartans or Clan Warrior Caste members from BattleTech. Not cannon fodder.
They were all trained wrong as a joke.
@@EatWave If you got an ass, I'll kick it!
Disney Star Wars is quite literally THE only group of writers who somehow botched the concept of "soldiers trained from birth", by not making said soldiers badasses in any way (hell, even the prequels did it right with clone troopers). You'd expect birth-trained soldiers to be some hardcore omega badasses like Warhammer Astartes marines, Halo Spartans and Elites, Lord of the Rings Uruk-Hai orcs, Gears of War COG soldiers, or 300 ancient Greek Spartans, not a bunch of useless clumsy cannon fodder.
Usually, antagonist super soldiers have an introduction where said super soldier(s) absolutely destroy the protagonists (remember Ugluk in LOTR and how he beat the shit out of the fellowship?), then later when the characters grow stronger as fighters and people, can they fight these monsters. It makes the antagonists threatening while displaying character growth; it's an extremely simple, extremely old, extremely effective storytelling tool that's still to this way a treat to see...yet millionaire salary writers apparently aren't aware of this.
They should have been Smoke Jaguar with elemental suits.
JJ: Well I did say they were trained at birth, but by birth I meant... Rebirth... as Stormtroopers, and they were trained to obey their commanding officers and when we see them fighting Phasma's not there to order them as a force multiplier...
Fan's who've twigged JJ is a salesmen: Uh huh... But shouldn't they still be good at their job because they... 'TRAINED?!?'
JJ: Well as we see training isn't the focus as much as it's who you are...
Fan's: ... ARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!
Unironically being more excited for this video than TRoS... wow what has the world come to.
That's where we're at folks
Yup. Living in a world where I'm excited to hate the things I love.
so true
plus, this is actually worth the money i give in ad revenue
Literally 😂
It's not the world, it's your preference to hear negative criticism over positive criticism.
I love when Mauler asks people why they have no problems with certain choices in the movies and they absolutely cannot explain why they have no issue with what happens.
It's because the marketing for these films convinced a lot of people that anyone who disliked them did so because of political agendas. They used the EA defence to great effect for all three of these films.
So addicted to the OCD vibe in these videos.
I am highly confident that EVERY time J.J. Abrams says, “we had a whole backstory for...”, he is 100% lying.
I get that vibe with everyone during the interview clips. I figured there was some embellishment during interview for films but it was very apparent here that the actors had to really reach to make things sound convincing.
*Sometimes I wonder if he actually believes that. I just don't understand what goes on in his head.*
I'm beginning to think J J Abrams might not even be his real name.
@@PaceBreaker The vibe I get is that everybody is on the verge of a nervous breakdown trying to make good on a $4 billion investment.
As soon as people on social media complained there weren't enough women in the table read, they hurriedly stuffed Captain Phasma into some reshoots on Starkiller Base and Disney PR forced Christie to waffle about what a confident and powerful woman her one-scene, masked cameo was. That's how desperate they were to make everybody like this movie. The greasy fingerprints of studio interference are smeared all over this film, pushing all involved to both maximize nostalgia and be as forward-thinking as possible so it doesn't bomb and make the shareholders shit themselves.
Though Abrams deserves some blame, he already proved he can do serialized storytelling 20 years ago, on Alias. And then Disney, the parent company of ABC, started to give him "notes", telling him to do away with the unique structure of the first season and slashing the episode count of the final season whilst telling him he couldn't mention the *main*mytharc* because it would be too confusing for new viewers. In the FINAL SEASON.
There's a definite bitterness to the way Abrams describes how "we" cut the story of Luke's hand making its way across the galaxy. I'm willing to bet money that was a "note" from the studio.
he uses the word ''backstory'' as an euphemism for hardcore anal. now you can see him talk and make sense of it. you are welcome
Whenever I hear the term “Mary Sue,” I can’t help but hear E;R’s “Maray SuuUUuuUUUuuuUUUUUUEE!” in my head, so I almost thought I was having an auditory hallucination at 1:09:54
It's just beautiful tbh
The word that fits here is "iconic".
haha.. same xD. E;R hit the nail on its head there.
dude same ! absolute
Princess Rainbovvs X Musashi this isn’t halo, you silly sausage, this is Star Wars!
Something some people don't seem to get is that in many modern militaries you train basic combat skills no matter who you are or what you're going to do. The phrase "every Marine a rifleman" exists for a reason.
Yeah, that's why I don't understand the people who say "Finn deserted because he was a janitor thrown into combat". Being a janitor is _part_ of his duties not the whole of them. Stormtroopers aren't perpetually in combat and their ships need maintenance and repair. It only makes sense that everyone of them would have another duty to do during the down time.
I know i'm years late, but i love how you and Drinker highlight the fact that there was a solid base for a good trilogy with compelling characters. It's such a shame
"If you're a famous smuggler, you're not doing it right."
Sold
Such a fantastic line, used so perfectly in this critique
@@C1umsyJester llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
Davos Chadsworth
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@@C1umsyJester
"your nothing, you have no place in this story. you come from nothing."
"your palpatines daughter, you're a palpatine."
"Im rey, rey skywalker."
lmao
"You come from nothing; you are nothing."
*"I NEVER LIED TO YOU"*
what I told you was true, from a certain point of view.
@@insulttothehumanrace3807 "they sold you for drinking money"
"Oh, so we're using made up names? I'm Spiderman."
Does it hurt?
After the second trilogy did anyone expect this to go well? I did, until I walked out of the theater after TFA and asked myself "was that good?" and realized I shouldn't be asking myself this... Thanks mauler, we all needed this.
2:24:30 It's a helluva contrast when you look at Wato's relationship w/ Anakin. You can see small bits of Wato & HIS selfishness in Anakin as an adult. Or his way of viewing sentients as obstacles.
Even, I think, the way Anakin views Tatooine has it's roots as Wato's property.
*The Star Wars Original Trilogy:* When you have a vision, but barely the resources and leeway to bring it to life.
*The Star Wars Prequel Trilogy:* When you have a vision, but too much leeway and resources to do what you want.
*The Sequel Star Wars Trilogy:* When you have no vision, no plan, but unlimited resources, and decide to play mad libs with it.
Gooood comment
perfection
Also applicable:
The Original Trilogy: When talented artists can collaborate
The Prequel Trilogy: When talented artists cannot collaborate
The Sequel Trilogy: ....don't know
Perfect assessment.
@@jackgrimshaw5030 Sequel: When (mostly) untalented artists collaborate
When Maz Kanata said that she was busy with "union disputes" in The Last Jedi, I honestly didn't know if she was fighting for or against the unions. *That's* how little character development she has.
For all we know she was in the bathroom, trying to shit.
Taco Bell will do that to you.
🤷♂️
@@notacompleteidiot...1285 A union dispute with her digestive system then?
Maz's Third Cantina will last for a thousand years.
But she's a strong character! A female even!
I couldn't even tell if the joke was being legitimate (since the Cantina was destroyed and thus several people there would be out of work) or an obvious euphemism for criminal dealings (since it was violent and she had obvious unlawful connections based on dealing with Han).
2:42:41 Mauler's rant right here, about modern screen writing and the slow decay of Hollywood blockbusters, was something that used to give me life. As a writer myself, I would regularly listen to this on repeat if I got stuck with a script or felt unworthy to keep going with a problem within the story.
Please for Don's sake tell me someone has a copy of it somewhere, or can provide a link to a clip.
I know he must have taken it down due to copyright from the Westworld soundtrack that he used but there must be a copy of it somewhere.
I need it!
he mentioned in a comment he will try to post it on the second channel, probably will take a while
Same
2:49:58 is one of the best and most well put points I’ve ever heard for the defense of rational and objective thought in writing. MauLer, you are brilliant. Thank you.
I hated TFA on opening night.
Everyone clapping like it was a masterpiece.
I felt violated
I'm so sorry for you. 😱
@@somefuck make it stop 😢
I didn't watch any of Disney's other Star Wars movies after The Force Awakens. Not even Rogue One, despite hearing that it's the ONLY Disney Star Wars movie that wasn't worthless. I've seen Darth Vader's slaughter and Jyn and Cassian's deaths - kudos to how they handled both of those scenes by the way - but not the entire movie.
I was too distracted by the pretty lights on my first watching (as many were I suppose). It was only upon reflection that the story began to fell more and more hollow.
@@tomnorton4277 I remember being extremely annoyed while watching TFA because of how similar it was to A New Hope as well as the fan-service. However, I still felt like the story had potential and I'd be lying if I said Luke's cameo didn't get me hyped for the next movie.
As soon as the credits rolled for The Last Jedi though, I got the fuck out of that theatre as quickly as I could. It was so garbage that my mind still struggles to comprehend it and I haven't watched a Disney Star Wars movie since. The fact that people got hyped for the Rise of Skywalker was some of the most confusing shit I've ever seen, but it was satisfying seeing my friend complain about how shit the movie ended up being while I saved my money on something actually worthwhile.
Strongly disagree with MauLer's comment that TLJ is aging like vomit - when vomit dries up it becomes much less offensive and the smell disipates. TLJ is just as offensive now as it was when it was vomited forth by Rian Johnson.
Lol!!.. The Last Jedi doesn't even compare favorably with aging vomit!!!...
They had us in the first half not gonna lie
The Last Jedi ages like milk. _Poorly._
Naive soul. It's not just as offensive now.
It's gotten worse.
Indeed, vomit is something that becomes less offensive over time.
I find it kind of weird how out of all the decades Han and Chewy spent together, Han never once tried to shoot Chewy’s bow caster until the Force Awakens.
I get that it’s Chewy’s weapon but they didn’t at least get curious and try to trade at some point?
They are buddies and they trust each other so I don’t see why not
He didn’t even have to try it himself… He’s actually surprised of the effect of the gun, it’s like he hasn’t even seen Chewy use it.
It’s such nonsense. Senile?
Don't worry. This movie isn't star wars. It means nothing
You could fix so many contrivances by having Han and Chewie appear in the Falcon to rescue BB8, have Finn defect as in TFA, and they scavenge parts with the help of a local who jerry-rigs a key component of the Falcon with local scrap parts. Then Rey is swept along into the main plot, instead of somehow being the main character and having other characters coincidentally show up.
Mauler talks 7 minutes and 21 seconds about few seconds of the movie
He explains how nostalgia can work and how it effects the audience going through examples so that anyone interested can understand it when they encounter it, to appreciate the effort some put into it or detest the lack of effort.
This is bad because he does this FOR NOUGH REASON
I didn’t understand your last sentence but I’ll gladly copy the first two paragraphs and use them, whilst adding how he emphasizes the importance of themes in the « efforts » being referred to, to silence the next mo... person who tells me that Mauler doesn’t care about themes.
Nathan Jora it’s from the last EFAP, the video they covered had a lot of the guy saying “for no reason!” when talking about the story and characters of the Lord of the Rings trilogy.
@@nathanjora7627 MauLer CARES? Must be gay.
For clarity: It's a reference to the most recent EFAP. Guy they were criticizing said half of LotR happens 'For no reason', while 'Nough' is the onomatopoeic spelling of how Brits and Aussies say 'no'. Me saying MauLer must be gay for caring about something is because this same person they criticized kept implying that every character in LotR that showed any emotion, or cared for another character, was just gay. He particularly railed on Sam and Frodo's friendship for being gay. It was very weird and uncomfortable, and the whole panel was getting increasingly creeped out and defensive of gay people - I know, kinda weird coming from a bunch of homophobic alt-right nazis, huh?
@LeadFaun @Chase Moore @BigBroLittleSis1 @Spooplegeist
You people are such massives
Convergence of the memes. Perhaps the spiders foretold of this power....
Honestly, finn going through training only to be assigned janitorial duties is - from military experience - the most realistic thing in the entire sequel trilogy.
Not very realistic when said space janitor starts to wipe the floor with assault squad members of First Order.
The famed Austrian botanist himself!
Ouch
Not that it helps
Morty Diamond I was part of an AT fire squad and took part of missions, mopped the floors as well. Everyone does everything in the infantry. If your gunner gets shot you aren’t going to cancel the battle because you don’t have training to use the gun.
@@zarlei6048 Combat off duties is one thing, but writer explicitly point out (by said character) that his specialty is sanitation. What leads me to closest thing on Earth - "UNIT FIELD SANITATION TEAM DUTIES. Role in military: is to aid the unit commander inprotecting the health of the command. This is accomplished by advising and assisting the commander in themany duties essential to reducing DNBI. By providing instruction and supervision, and assisting, inspecting, and reporting, the FST ensures that appropriate field sanitation facilities are established and maintained; thateffective sanitary and control measures are applied; and that effective PMM are practiced." And I don't see special training, diversion or recon, any sort of assault role in military ranks. What makes think, that director or writer made stupid joke in sake of doing it without reason for cheap laughts from degenerates who will find it funny. Disney - we avoid logic, reason or good writing like a plague for almost 20 years.
3:15:30 'no one is ever really gone" this is impactful. That's Luke, speaking about Vader.. knowing that even Vader could be redeemed.
If only he had remembered that before furiously attacking a defenseless sleeping child because of a dream he had...
03:13:40 - how could a "Director" not keep this scene? WHY?
03:15:25 - what an amazing version Fisher delivers there 🥹
1:10:27 if you turn on captions you see he mistyped "Leia" with "layer" therefore this whole nearly 4 hours argument is invalid
0/10 would never watch it again
Oh, GOD, you're a life saver. I'm subbed to too many channels and need to clean it up a little. That's all the excuse I need.
How could he I loved his channel so much 😭😭😭
Clearly... 😏😏
Thats why it wasn't a 5 hour video 🤔🤔
Never mind that I don't think he's actually tasked with typing in all the CC content, I still have to unsub from the guy. I mean, if some hearing-impaired person is watching and runs into "layer" instead of "Leia"...why, they're going to be completely baffled!! They're going to be sputtering and gasping and they'll never catch up.
It's literally murder!!!
This channel was the chosen one. They were supossed to point out mistakes not to make them.
Well at least they like the growth opportunity when their mistakes are pointed out.
4 hours for only part 3? Long man delivers!
Maybe you should take a crack at these sort of things, Sargon.
@@JamesiaInc kinda has.
@Diabetic_T-Rex Is this a joke I have not understood? He is from Swindon.
@@horseradishpower9947 because of the 3 legged flag they have, it came up in efap and broke maulers funny fuse, and thus became memes
If you say this like the Sean Connery impression from SNL Jeopardy, it works perfectly.
3:26:30 I remember when I saw that in the cinema, I thought to myself, that could be Finn's brother. Introducing a character, that could tell us a lot about Finn, and would show up again to face Finn, after Finn thought he was dead right there. Would have made a great conflict in himself, and could tell us a lot about the troopers in the first order if they further developed it.
But we never saw TR8R again...
One thing that genuinely upset me about the Sequel Trilogy is that in The Force Awakens, there's sort of this element where the destruction of the Hosnian System (probably misspelled) was sorta treated like a moment in a Dark Fantasy where the villains overthrow a single good Kingdom, and now they make efforts to start conquering all the others; the first major victory of many. Then, TLJ (and bolstered by TROS) said that The Galactic Republic was now a thing of the past because of this... Like, I just assumed that this was a massive blow against the good guys, NOT like an ultra-precise shot to the heart!
I think you could do have done some interesting stuff with that. Like, make the First Order believe that the destruction of the Hosnian system was an ultra-precise shot to the heart and gloat about it as they prepare to destroy the Resistance at the start of TLJ, but have the resistance saved by a hastily gathered Republic fleet.
Spend a bit more time showing the Republic divided and squabling in the TFA before hand and you could even play it up as the First Order's actions backfiring, as their brutal attack reminded the Republic of the Empire days and galvanized the remaining squabling factions into a laser focused force intent on preventing a return of the Empire.
Maybe this hastily cobbled together Republic fleet then gets in trouble because it overextends in an attempt to wipe out the First Order, pushing too far without having a proper organizational supply structure to fall back on, a structure that was damaged by the Hosnian system's destruction, emphasizing that the attack was still devastating even if not a death blow.
Disnoids: "Nooo, you can't do a long form critic of a movie that last longer than said movie!!!! You're just a nitpicking bigot!!!"
Maulet: *Haha, video goes BRRRRRR*
Haha, long video goes long
*A10 Thunderbolt II with depleted uranium gatling gun
Brrrrrrrrrrt
NOOOOO NOT MY HECKING SEQUAL TRILOGY!
"Omg! He put effort on his critique! He can't do that! Shoot him or something!".
"Hahaha prequels are shit. This is peak criticism".
I find it kinda funny that each individual CHUNK of this review, they are each longer than the movie they're reviewing
Part 3 *of 6*
I fear I shan't live long enough to see the end of this saga...
Well, at least MauLer as the creator of this saga is young enough to live long enough to actually finish it and give his current and future audience a completed saga. That is more than can be said about a certain famous fantasy author who is over 70, doesn't look particularly healthy and hasn't delivered the sixth installment of his (supposedly) seven-book series in 10 effing years.
@@thinkingdevil George is working on it! Just be patient...and ignore the fact that he's infamous for never finishing anything
Heard his going to sell the rights to the last 3 parts to disney
@@stephenramos2824
"I'm Rey."
"Rey Who?"
*Sees a Long, Welsh Force ghost in the distance.*
"Rey Longman"
@@thinkingdevil What's up with those fantasy writers that never finish their work? I know GRRM is the infamous example, but another big one is Patrick Rothfuss, the author of Kingkiller Chronicle, who hasn't released the finale to a series for nearly ten years after the previous book was released. What's worse is that he has made it known that he already had a working rough draft by the time he published the first book in the series, The Name of the Wind, because he wrote the rough draft of the entire series before starting to publish books.
Yeah, they really gloss over it, but even if the Starkiller base was able to shoot through hyperspace, making a weapon out of a planet like that is such a monumental task, its stupefying to do. It's way beyond the scope of building the Death Star, it's humongous amount of work.
50:50 People who know movies didn’t *wonder* if Holdo is evil, the “traitor” music stings and First Order themes play when she is on screen and talking make it pretty obvious she was…then they switched it. I think they either just purposefully misled with the music or they left the sound for those scenes after a rewrite to make her not a traitor.
Movie: "makes a throw away line"
MauLer: "Let me talk 2 hours about it"
He talked about the line for longer than the line itself was. So its subjectively objective. In my opinion, any way.
Not long enough
@@TheSlammurai but long rhino man bad
"Admiral Holdo and General Hux are not Homer Simpson."
I'm glad I needed MauLer to tell me that.
Some people unironically do.
JJ and Ruin did try to conflate them...
@@aitchisondaniel TRY ? nah they did it
@@aitchisondaniel Do you mean Rian, as in Rian Johnson?
@@TheSaiyanPrincess89 no he meant Ruin, as in Ruin Johnson, as in he ruined star wars
MauLer, I've watched your breakdowns over and over and I cannot thank you enough for the level of detail and focus you have added to my own writing.
When "The Circle" is published I intend to send you a copy, as without ever meeting me, you have made it so much better than it was.
Thank you.
-Chris Rivan
1:45 _”If you’re a famous smuggler, you’re not doing it right.”_
🤣 😂 🤣
I watched the force awakens twice. I watched the last Jedi once. I’ve never seen whatever the last one is called.
Know what I’ve watched more than twice? This series.
On my second watch through rn. Really hoping for part 4 sooner or later.
facts
Those are rookie numbers
You watched the farce awakens twice? Oh man, you are brave with an iron constitution!
Going on a marathon of all his star wars content.
For the third time :D
It has given me a new avenue for entertainment out of a puppeted corpse. Every piece of this triolgy is a masterstroke in failure and criminally wasted potential.
The fact that these movies treat Chewbacca like a prop is pretty disgusting, he's supposed to be a real person, Han's best friend and by the end of the trilogy, ALL his friends are dead. Poor guy.
yeah and that is not only that, Yoda knew and fought for them but di$ney did that and now they look like EMPIRE... oh.
I mean, he grieves them. Chewbacca was always a bit of a prop in the original trilogy to be honest. He was more Han Solo's faithful dog than a fully fleshed out character. For all its flaws I don't think the sequel trilogy's treatment of Chewbacca is up there at all.
@@mrboost4186 In the OT Chewbacca had his own opinions. He was loyal to Han, but he argued when he thought Han was wrong. He acted on his own initiative . He wasn't a full character( I would say more Han's sidekick than " faithful dog"). The Sequels , following The Force Awakens, make Chewie into Rey's driver and yes man, having no opinion, ideas, or initiative of his own.
But... he got a hug and a medal, so it's all good now, right??
*JJ Abrams thinks he's a fan of true Star Wars but he had Leia and Chewbacca ignore and not hug each other. He never saw Chewbacca as a character.*
Let's be honest, Harrison Ford only came back because his character would finally die.
This is really late but I'm genuinely glad you called out Cosmonaut Variety. I used to be a big fan but he really is so inconsistent with his reviews it's insane
Part 3 of 6
Its 4 hours long
MauLer has already put in more effort than everyone involved in TFA combined
And at a point, you really gotta wonder why you care that much, and why you don’t just go use that time and effort on something you actually enjoy.
@@mikerivera373
Be the change you what to see in the world, maybe that why, because he CARES, not everything its about joy, sometimes its about doing the unpleasant work that needs to be done.
For you this is useless, for me these are pearls of wisdom from a writers perspective.
Things are what we made of them.
If you think of things as useless useless will they be...
@@mikerivera373
Mauler said he started doing these reviews because he wasn't satisfied with the review community on RUclips. So he's making the content he wants to see.
Mike Rivera do you really think that he doesnt enjoy making these reviews? It may be aspects he dont enjoy, but too think that he would put in so many hours making something he doesnt enjoy is stupid. It is obvious that he has done alot of research on movies, story telling, technical aspects, camera work etc. He did not just watch a movie he didnt like and decide too make this long as review series out of the blue.
Ofc he could make a 10 minute video and call it a review, but he obviously likes to do things all the way. And when you watch TV, movies, netflix, play games, are just hanging out with friends, you are waiting time too. By making this review he is learning alot, that I can gurantee. And Ofc , the money comes with the views. The better the video the more views it will get, in theory Ofc, but still.
@@mikerivera373 Doing case studies on narratives IS something he enjoys. He never claimed to not care either. He is obviously a fan of Star Wars, maybe doing this clinic allows him access to some of the feelings the sequels being subpar denied him. He gives the sequels a lot of credit where he feels it's due if you listened.
Rag should've consulted the spiders before giving his "august 2020" deadline, for it was objectively wrong. IGN 10/10 didn't get bored
I know, I wasn't expecting this.
I’ve already watched it three times.
@@zarlei6048 were you bored though?
Consulting the spiders lmao
Rag is objectively the worst EFAP. In my opinion.
2:08:19 It's such a shame they didn't go with Boyega's more serious concept of Finn. I like his chemistry with Po (however brief), but it would be cool if at least *one* of our new characters had a different personality type.
Once again a brilliant video. All up to date now what a truly massive effort these have been for you to make. Great points and making me understand why ive not gone back to this trilogy at all
I'm just utterly baffled by the sheer lack of world building and universe. It's like a teenager wrote it. "Who cares about politics or factions or things, those are boring, let's just have our characters shoot the bad guys and blow stuff up"
The fact they reduced the New Galactic Republic into ash with a single shot is just mind numbing to me. I can't get past that. I simply can't rectify that with what I know about Star Wars. It won't fit. It's not a nitpick, it's a blindingly glaring issue. It was legitimately frustrating to not know the state of the galaxy and to never be given answers.
Seriously, who controls a planet like Tatooine now? Who controls Coruscant and governs the galaxy? What became of a planet like Naboo, or Endor? There's no answers that could be given or inferred from the movies now.
In the prequels, the Republic was subverted from within, after facing and defeating a corporate backed seperatist movement (whose goals were to create a plutocracy and break from the republic and its bureaucratic red tape and regulations), and it stands to reason every world the Republic controlled, which was nearly all of them, now found itself under the thumb of the Empire. That tyranny leads an organized force of rebels to form from various star systems under the banner of the Rebel Alliance. At the end of the OT, the Empire was dethroned and destroyed, leaving the implication that the Rebel Alliance would form a provisional government and restore their own republic in the Empire's place. In the new trilogy there's this idea that that never took place, or at least not effectively, and the New Republic gets destroyed by the First Order which then gets destroyed by the Resistance, which just exists for some reason, and now the galaxy has no government? You'd think the Resistance would form a provisional government, but they obviously failed before. So what now?
And that's one of the building blocks by which this whole trilogy sinks: NO WORLD BUILDING. Nothing is explained why things are the way they are, they just simply are. EVERYTHING showing that progression happens in books, comics, and guide books/visual dictionaries.
I'm not saying I want a paragraph-long of exposition but a few small thowaway lines of dialogue would help tremendously with getting people invested because as it stands we have no way to anchor ourselves in this struggle because we have no clue what the hell is happening or HAS happened in the 30 years prior.
TFA really went out to replicate the original Star Wars down to the lack of lore that existed then but the thing with the original Star Wars and why it worked there but not here is the fact of it's simplistic premise. There is an empire, our heroes are fighting against oppression and are trying to deliver plans to allow a chance for victory against overwhelming odds. Classic underdog story. HERE though? There's been 40 years of lore and continuity built up and that HAS to be addressed because where we last chronologically saw our heroes they were victorious and were going on to reestablish the Republic and the Jedi so what happened? I know WHY they did it because "PREQUELS BAD" but the fact of the matter is, if we the audience have no frame of reference then there's nothing for us to get invested in. It's just stuff happening.
No major government ever controlled Tatooine. It's always been an outlier planet, which is why crime lords like Jabba and lesser criminal scum could set up shop there. "The Republic doesn't exist out here; we must survive on our own."
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... A nitpick that still supports your point, since there's nothing even that small to establish scope and stakes in the sequels.
The OT ended with at least the implication that the Republic would be restored and Yoda explicitly told Luke to remake the Jedi. The ST has no such ideas, at all. Maybe Rey will restart the Jedi...again...but maybe not. We don't know what she's thinking. And unlike having political characters like Leia and Mon Motha around, the PT doesn't having anyone that seems like they'd be good at running a govt...Perhaps the galaxy will decide that "big govt" simply doesn't work, and it will balkanize? That would finally be something different, and maybe a justification for doing all this in the first place. Not that we're likely to see any of it anytime soon...
@@Webshooters1 Honestly, yeah there probably is the backstory filled in by a bunch of third party writers, that's always happened with Star Wars. Still, at least the Prequel Trilogy and the Clone Wars give enough for one to be interested in investigating more. The main complaint people even had with the prequels is that pretty much all of the effort went into the world building and the characters suffered horribly because of it. The issue is with the acting and writing of the main plot itself, not with the world, for the most part (there were complaints about details here and there, midichlorians and lightsabers blocking force lightning come to mind, as well as clone trooper logistics, but the world itself made some amount of sense)
In the Sequels there's just nothing. It went back to being focused on the characters but the characters suck and are just absolutely confusing, self contradictory messes. The world just isn't realistically functioning according to logic on its own accord. The entire faction that the heroes work for has no logical reason to exist. The third party writers basically have to come up with everything from scratch, and bend the reality of the universe itself to try and attempt to explain the essential plot of the story. The prequels tried to do their own thing and mostly failed at it, but the sequels are just a shameless rip on the original trilogy and it makes no sense.
I am terrified if they pull this same amount of nonsense about the Old Republic era and call it canon. That would just be awful.
@@Flight_of_Icarus Well, we can agree to disagree about the prequels. I think they're good movies for the most part. The plot works but I guess to some the execution of it was lacking apart from Revenge Of The Sith. But yeah, the prequels did alot of world and lore building that at least got us interested in exploring this pre-Empire era and the Jedi at the peak of their power. In the Disney Trilogy there's just nothing and the laws of the universe appear to change with each movie and that's not even getting into Kylo Ren's motivations and how it's as Mauler put it: "The equivalent of tangled up Christmas tree light drenched in yogurt and acid."
It's just a fact everyone in those movies were done dirty. Daisy Ridley, John Boyega, Oscar Issac, etc. They're just given NOTHING to work with but Finn I feel got the rawest deal of all. In the EU they tackled the idea of a defecting Stormtrooper and it has good story potential like Finn could be hesitant to shoot them because they're brainwashed preferring to help break their programming as he did and rescue as many as possible. Just an idea.
Much like Rian in TLJ, the writers wanted to have Rebels Vs Empire again but the groundwork didn't allow for it since that's not where we left our heroes at the end of ROTJ so they decided to sacrifice the rich story potential of even just using the skeletal framework of the EU in favor of something that's not new and we've seen before and was done better in the OT.
If what Doomcock says is true then the Old Republic will be safe for now. Their so-called "High Republic" series is already DOA and I think Disney's money people are starting to take note of just how thoroughly KK has shat the bed and turning a literal license to print money into a black hole where money goes in and never comes out.
Rey is super powerful,
Finn is really clumsy,
Han is inconsistent,
Maz is confusing,
Poe is alive,
Kylo kidnaps Rey,
and Luke is missing...
FOR NOUGH REASON!!!!
Rey is flat. Poorly casted and written.
God, I got flashbacks to that damn video. That was agony.
"And I've got blue hair!"
@Winston Smith Nough!
@Lol Umadbro The "Lord of the Ring s is bad" video. The commentary is great! The video being analysed is the worst kind of ignorant trash. It's where "For No Reason!" is coming from.
J. J. Abrams and his cohorts at Bad Robot have devalued every franchise they've touched. Abrams has the opposite of the Midas Touch. He has the Fecal Touch.
Imagine if Finn were the force-sensitive, former storm trooper, hero? What a FANTASTIC story! I'm ok with Rey and Poe being heroes; as the original Star Wars had more than 4 heroes.
We continue where we left off? WHERE WE LEFT OFF? Jesus Christ i forgot everything...does it mean i have to start with Part 1 again?
WHAT KIND OF DIABOLIC PLAN TO GET VIEWS IS THIS???
Lol
@managarm1349 indeed he does...and because i saw that dumpsterfire of a movie TFA is last time in preparation for Part 1 i´m afraid i have to start with this crappy movie again...jeeez, i need a drink...
Bruh I watched part 1 and 2 the last two days again just to make sure 😂😂
Yes. Watch parts 1 and 2 again. And the RoS rage. I've seen the entire TLJ series at least 10 times. I wish that one had 6 parts like this one.
@managarm1349 Longame bad
I love how even a critique of the Force Awakens turns into a demolishing of the Last Jedi. That movie fucked up so much of the trilogy's writing.
It adds helpful content.
Yep, just looking at the length of the video you know that it won't be able to fill the time without going off-topic or repeating its points over and over again.
Because TFA is the original sin and TLJ just adding fuel to the fire.
TLJ is not great but when TFA was received well, well, sheeps.
@@mrboost4186 providing multiple examples and pulling at threads is not repitition or going off topic. Although I look forward to your critique of this critique.
@@gmonkman This is supposedly a critique of The Force Awakens yet he is criticizing The Last Jedi for substantial amounts of this video. Talking about a different film is as off-topic as you can get.
This whole video is a drawn-out waffle designed to preach to the converted.
I've been sat at a computer watching this deep-dive series for hours and hours at the behest of a friend, and I hadn't been enjoying it overly much. There were some decent enough insights in parts 2 and 3 to make up for the drawn-out lecture in part 1 (i.e., part 1), but it still wasn't much fun.
2:11:06 of this part changed everything....everything. This was just golden.
Absolute mad respect for trusting your Friend enough to make it this far in in the first place ❤
I am very interested in learning how you analyze media like this. I love how you're able to state objective facts about what is happening in the story, while asking and answering questions that follow logically from those facts.
I also like how you are able to do extensive research in order to back up your arguments, as well as how seamlessly you're able to state all this alongside your opinions.
Rian Johnson's quote about finding your voice is why he shouldn't be doing Star Wars. Though he is write. If you are writing original content, you should be writing what's authentic for you. To find your voice and style. But when you're doing writing for hire, you have to bend your voice to the project and the client. Not every author can do that, and if you can't, don't be working on established IP.
Or more to the point, the producers should find someone whose voice fits the project. Thought the more amusing part is how Rian defined the film by doing the opposite of what was expected, meaning he became exactly what he said what not to.
Also, I feel like it’s not impossible to meld one’s own unique sensibilities with an established IP without overpowering or dismantling the latter. But of course, doing right by Star Wars was never Ruin’s objective. “Let the past die. Kill it if you have to.”
@@Necron1999 There are a range of voices that are compatible with a project, and various creators are more or less flexible when it comes to adapting their approach. An IP like Star Wars is even more accepting of diverse voices ... just find where you fit.
JJ could make a bang-up X-wing Squadron game, for example. I.M.P.S. is more detached style of work; a gritty, dark satire told from the perspective of Imperial Propoganda. Vader: Shards of the past is an intimate, emotional character exploration. All of these fit.
Take the wrong voice, and even if the work is great, it will sound dissonant. For example, personally, I like scene ... 13? The obi-wan vs vader fight redux. But that creative voice does not mesh with the sedate pace of Episode 4.
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"The Force Awakens is not a science lesson."
This is really such a sad justification to hear said out loud.
Incredibly lazy. There are reasons people can suspend disbelief, and have that broken. It may not always be obvious but it's there. The Death Star needing to clear the planet in ANH is in reality silly but we accept it because it doesn't violate anything fundamental and it creates suspense.
He might as well have admitted "The Force Awakens is not a writing lesson."
Good example of anti-intellectualism too.
Does it mean that star wars sucks in general? With sound in space, with jets flying in space like they would do in atmosphere, with explosions in space, with always missing stormtroopers, light sabres that stop each other for some reason etc. There's a lot of fundamental logical and physical mistakes in all SW movies.
In one of the ep of critic of last jedy Mauler said that lack of fuel doesn't matter, cos it's space and rebels would just continue moving with same speed. Yes, but enemies would gain a speed, rebels would have frozen to death or died because of lack of oxygen, because no system in real life can work without a fuel. Mauler isn't a scientist, same as most of his or movie's audience, people don't care about stuff like this while watching movies. Mauler didn't even think about it, tho he rewrote his script multiple times.
So if mistakes do not bother you while you watching film - they don't matter in general
Of course i would love movies to be correct, but if movie managed to fool me without me noticing - I don't care. Like honestly, who gives a shit how long Denethor in lotr run while he was on fire, it was a cool shot and despite me watching it countless of times - i still don't care about it.
Tho i was thinking about hyper drive ram at last jedy and about this retardation, possible black holes, biggest explosions in history etc.
Some movies just failing in fooling you. That's why not a lot of people care about Denethor running like 600 meters while he was on fire, but why a lot of people care about that light speed ram
@@yellowtunes2756 MauLer went on to explain why, unlike the scientific errors in the original 6, those in TFA actively damage the script. On its own, a scientific error in Star Wars is nothing new, but the execution and context of it is something else entirely.
just rewatched this (fo the 4th time...) in excitement for the fresh part4
Omg the clip at 3:13:42 Jesus
I was driving while listening to this video and this moment gave me chills without even seeing it. just knowing it was of Luke mourning Han combined with the incredible score sent chills through my body
The fact that this was cut is criminal
I am curious as to the perspective of the people who disliked this video within minutes of it going up.
Mauler clarifies many times over the courses of his multiple series that he is examining the craftsmanship of a film's script from a writing perspective and backs his arguments with evidence.
The goal is not to tear down the film or even necessarily change your perspective of it, merely to examine the product.
If he wanted to tear down the film as a whole or smear the public perception of it, there are easier ways to do it that don't require a tenth of the effort, so saying this series is a hate speech against Disney's Star Wars is nonsense or complete ignorance, in which case, please watch the videos you dislike.
If you believe that he is going to rob the film of meaning by dissecting it so thoroughly, I am politely going to ask you firstly why you came to this video in the first place and secondly why you hold that opinion. Many great pieces of literature and film are constructed so that close examination provides a new experience. There are even films that are created with the intention of being examined or watched multiple times. Not every film is, but to say that examining media as a whole only reduces the enjoyment it provides is incorrect, and while you may think differently, you are not every person in the world and please stop pushing your opinion as fact.
If you simply don't like Mauler, more power to you.
However, that is shallow. And if you feel offended by that statement after disliking a video that is multiple hours long within minutes of starting it, then please, feel offended.
Think about why someone might consider your actions to be dishonest.
Ask yourself why judging content without examining it might annoy people.
Ask yourself why a statement that makes you feel bad without the speaker having the resources or the will to make an informed decision bothers you.
And if you have a perfectly legitimate reason to dislike the video without actually watching it, please do share.
I am curious.
@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 Which definition of "hate speech" is this based on? "I hate chocolate ice-cream" one?
@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 Ah yes, that 6 hour video series where the only flaw that was focused on was the Porgs.
This must be trolling.
Chan Thorpe “If you don’t like Daisy”
Gr8 b8, the OP never once mentions this.
On the bit where you criticize his critique if Porgs, I fundamentally disagree. It distracts from the story’s integrity. There is no purpose for their existence in the film. The self-refution is within TLJ. If you want to interpret Maluer’s point as “capitalist bad” then why did he so thoroughly hate Kanto Byte? The entirety of that subplot was “capitalist bad” and “good guys not so good but they still good”, and both points were incredibly ham fisted and poorly incorporated into the script. He criticizes the Porgs because of their needless insertion into the story- in other words, BAD WRITING. It contrasts with the rest of the film’s mood, the same reason the Ewoks aren’t popular in RotJ.
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Firstly, thank you for sharing your perspective, I appreciate you doing so.
Secondly, he does not say that TLJ is bad solely because of Porgs or marketing/capitalist greed. If you watch the first video of that playlist, at 15:05, he provides a narrative alternative to what is presented in the script, implying that the script itself is the issue, not the circumstances surrounding it.
This video itself praises The Force Awakens in some areas and highlights some things it does well, which is something you yourself would know if you watched the video.
Thirdly, while it is true that he does expressly state his issues with Porgs, to say that is the only point he makes is untrue, just as it is also untrue that someone observing flaws and discussing them constitutes a "hate speech".
Simply saying that it makes sense to call it a hate speech without evidence does not constitute a good argument because that is your opinion. Do not say that it is self-evident and claim it fact, show evidence because if what you say is true, then that evidence will exist to prove it.
Fourthly, saying that his arguments are invalid because he promotes his own merchandise is ludicrous on many levels, so let's discuss this.
Disney is a multi-billion dollar corporation that has at bare minimum thousands of staff members, can spend millions of dollars creating whatever they want, placing people in charge as they see fit. Something that you can see when they put Ryan Johnson in charge following TFA and put J.J. Abrams back in charge after TLJ.
"Greed" is defined as taking more resources than are needed or using less resources than are reasonable to complete a task.
Disney had massive amounts of resources and could have postponed the movie as long as they wanted for the movie to be redrafted as many times as was needed.
They had a single individual spearhead all three of the films as they were released within 4 years total, while the original trilogy was release across 6 years with notably fewer resources.
Mauler, by comparison, spent nearly 2 years creating the 3rd part of a series that has yet to be completed, something he did mostly by himself.
Now, I'm not privy to how Disney spends their money, but I'm willing to say with confidence that a single man does not have the same amount of resources Disney has.
Is it reasonable for a single man with no other job to sell merchandise for the channel that is his current job?
I would say yes.
Is it reasonable for a multi-billion dollar corporation to clear a film of questionable quality faster so that they can sell toys?
I would say no.
This is because both situations require context.
It would be insulting to the intelligence of someone trying to have a reasonable discussion to take an action out of context and declare it hypocritical, as doing so would be blatantly admitting that you are ignoring all context to create an argument that fits your desire.
So I will assume that you are saying that Mauler is a hypocrite and therefore, his argument is invalid.
This is also a poor argument, as you are now attacking the character of the person making the argument instead of actually engaging the argument itself.
You are ignoring what is being said because you either disagree with or do not like the person saying it.
And since your argument is concerning TLJ and has nothing to do with TFA, despite this being a TFA video, that insinuates that your actions are the result of previous experience with one of Mauler's video.
Lastly, if you don't like Mauler, that is fine.
Do not assume that everyone in the world shares your opinion or that because you feel he is antagonizing TLJ that you know facts about a video you did not watch.
If the truth is that you dislike the video because you dislike Mauler, then I have no issue with that and I wish you a nice day.
What I do take issue with is rationalization that not watching a video and determining it to be of poor quality has anything to do with the video itself.
Especially when your counterargument is based in a different video series entirely.
If you feel the video is bad and that is why you made the decision, wonderful.
You let your emotions guide your decisions and that's completely understandable.
But do not argue to me that the decision you let your emotions make is a logical one.
Unless you have evidence to support that claim.
If anyone has the time to read the above argument, I must admit I have committed the cardinal sin of publishing a first draft.
If anyone sees flaws in my logic or my grammar, please let me know.
I would happily clarify if any of my points are unclear.
To those who criticize Mauler for his videos being too long, wouldn't it have been nice if the writers of these movies spent this long talking about the quality of what they wrote? Maybe we would have wound up with better movies or something. 🤔
people should be complaining that he takes longer criticizing the movies than the crew did on working on them
My only criticism for this one is that he spent a bit too much time shitting on other channels lol
Why would you need to when your movie makes $2 billion and gets 93% on Rotten Tomatoes?
No idea whether I even mean to be sarcastic at this point.
Saying the writers of these movies are idiots means nothing in the contest that these videos are longer than the fart cloud a competitive eater makes after munching on 50 spicy tacos in under 10 minutes. He has good points but he drags everything out to the point where it's almost like he is making videos long for the sake of them being long. He likes to pride himself of being complex in his explanations and whatever, but here's a quote from someone more famous than both of us:
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"if you can't explain it simply you don't understand it well enough" - Albert Einstein
@@MrSHURIKENCHO Or, you know, maybe the mistakes, inconsistencies and lack of giving a f*** about characters, legacy, a good story, etc. in these movies are so numerous and complex that you can literally spend hundreds of hours dissecting them. If they had ONE person on the set half as dedicated and 25% as insightful into what constitutes proper story and world building correcting all of this, Mauler (along with most people) would have probably overlooked 90% of the minor mistakes and been able to enjoy the movies. Hell, I would take a 3 hours long movie about Sith training, detailing procedures and how the Dark Side affects Force users over any of the most recent 3 movies. No plot, no action, just the "Sith induction seminar".
The amount of work you put into this is staggering. Thank you!
Woah, that deleted take with Luke and Leia had me tearing up almost instantly with that performance. I had no idea it existed and now I’m angry at TLJ again.
Destroyed Cosmonaut in less than 5 minutes...
Beautiful...
Adam Wasiura
Your prophet is thankful for you speaking of his name in a positive manner
But he will show you no friendship
Adam Wasiura
Than he is not to be trusted
Why would he make objective tiles such as
Solo is good you guys are mean
Than be illogical
That’s like listening to a priest who one minute prays to god than the next worships the devil
No wonder he loved crylo
@Adam Wasiura I honestly can't tell if you are making one big meme or if you actually think you are bringing up a point in Cosmonauts defense
Adam Wasiura
You really are shilling for him
For his humor is to smug and passive aggressive for my tastes
You really want a Medal of Honor for defending your prophet
@Adam Wasiura Then he shouldn't try to make a serious argument on his channel?
I feel like Disney wrote this movie as if it was supposed to be a theme park ride. See your favorite character Han Solo, and get behind the wheel of the Millennium Falcon! etc. It plays out more like a theme park ride nostalgia trip than an actual story.
I like this comparison.
Yes. This is true.
God you're right. Like T2:3D Battle Across Time. Fun ride, total bollocks derivative fanservice plot that undermines the prior movies if you take it as canon.
Makes sense.
TFA was such a bizarre movie for me. Having seen A New Hope so many times over the years, The Force Awakens was such an empty experience for me. I all times I no idea what I was suppose to be feeling because it was a total rip off of a movie I already knew by heart. I left the theater feeling drained when it was over. If they wanted a theme park ride, they should have called Star Tours: The Force Awakens, expectation would have matched what they were trying to do then. If your going to make a Star Wars movie, it better be a Star Wars movie and not Turkish Star Wars.
yo idk wtf you did to the youtube algorithm, but every f*cking time i fall asleep watching youtube, and it doesn't matter what i fall asleep watching. I AWAYS WAKE UP TO THIS GODDAMN VIDEO
It makes sense that J. J. Abrams likes Han as a "scavenger" because J. J. Abrams scavenges key points from perfectly good franchises and resells them in a jumbled mess