Marvel's Echo: The Most Pointless Video I've Ever Made
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- Опубликовано: 20 май 2024
- Nobody cares about Marvel's Echo, so I made a three hour video about it.
Thanks to Altries and @Loftipixels for their help on this one!
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Timestamps
Who or What is Echo? - 00:00 - 06:50
Ep.1 The One With Daredevil: 06:51 - 55:51
Ep.2 The Great Train Robbery: 55:52 - 01:21:06
Ep.3 Make America Skate Again: 01:21:07 - 01:47:57
Ep.4 Trail of Tedium: 01:47:58 - 02:19:19
Ep.5 Ground Pound at the Powwow: 02:19:20 - 02:42:52
Cucking the Kingpin: 02:42:53 - 02:47:52 
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I know, I know. You don't care about Echo, I don't care about Echo, nobody cares about Echo. This video was meant to be a quick January warm-up. But here we are. More exciting and relevant stuff will follow in short order.
Thanks to Altries and LoftiPixels for their help!
Ah, man. I had already forgotten about this show and was waiting for your full Madame Web review.
But I'm sure this'll be a fun one, too!
@@GarionDAdkinsThat *should* be next weekend. With the best will in the world, I can’t turn around multiple-hour video essays in just a couple of days!
I can certainly do with more savaging of this travesty. Plus, seeing that title had me in stitches. Well played.
@TheLittlePlatoon Your disection and introspection of such shows is fascinating enough that I don't even care what the specific material is. Just keep it coming.
@@TheLittlePlatoon is getting in front of the trail of tears so no one complaining has a leg to stand on and he won't have to hear their whining.
Platoon: This is pointless.
Madame Web: Hold my beer.
"The most pointless this so far."
Her "enthusiasm" in the promotion of the movie is low-key funny.
@@nemonobody88she couldn’t name 3 Spider-Man movies so she just made up titles on the fly. That was hilarious 🤣
_"hold my Pepsi"_
Indeed, who could have known that Echo was still not the most pointless thing that comes out of Marvel Phase #789? I'm fascinated to see how deep this can go. We are talking bottom of the Endless Stairs deep. Can you imagine the abominations that lurk down there, that have yet to be released to the public? ...shudder
If the main character is going to look bored and annoyed throughout the whole show, no reason to blame the audience for looking the same way.
Honestly, you’d think, given the character cannot speak, they’d have placed extra emphasis on hiring someone who can physically emote. But no.
@@TheLittlePlatoonI didn't see "Able to Emote" on the SAG checklist....
Lol. Right? I was on the fourth episode and I said out loud "EMOTE! PLEASE! "
She looked like a bored teenager who finds everything uninteresting 90% of the time. The other 10% was Her looking like she smelled something unpleasant.
I meannn not necessarily the case... John Wick looks bored and annoyed from getting chased 24/7 yet look how his movies turned out. A good character doesn't have to be charismatic or witty, a good character just needs to keep you engaged so you look forward seeing that character more.
@@KuchiKopium Great response!
The Kingpin from Daredevil would have learned sign language. He learned Japanese and Mandarin and then pretended he didn’t understand those languages in order to fool his adversaries. He would learn ASL out of respect for Maya. That just shows how much they effed his character.
Yeah, but he would also have weird, halting monologues where the actor mispronounces words while the writers desperately try to sound "deep." They didn't fuck him that badly, he wasn't off to a great start to begin with.
He would have learned it out of sheer paranoia.
He would never tolerate anyone close to him communicating in a manner he could not understand.
A criminal 'kingpin' should at least pick up key phrases in the languages he's expecting to be exposed to. They just don't care anymore. Characters are there to facilitate the girl bossing moments.
There is also the massive plot of hole of writing. Seriously give her a white board and a dry erase marker.. or a tablet if it's available at the time of the show. A tablet with a text to speech option had to be way easier than a holographic hologram eye piece.
But I agree he'd probably know at least enough of the language to get by. Even if he didn't "speak it" he could understand it.
@@AJadedLizardcap, kingpin in daredevil was great. Reminded me of a younger, less experienced version of the kingpin from spider man the animated series. Cold, and Ruthless, yet very calculating. As someone else mentioned, very intelligent as well. Never showing all his cards, only letting his adversaries piece the puzzle together only when it’s too late to see the bigger picture. Always one step ahead, always spinning the public narrative in his favor, after we think the hero one ups him. But through all that he still has many glaring weaknesses, that he’s just so good at hiding nobody thinks he has any. But in reality he’s just a kid who got treated like crap his whole life, but now it’s his turn to make people suffer, now he’s king. The perfect antithesis for many hero’s who’ve had similar negative upbringing but choose to be better, choose to be hero’s. He instead chooses the worst route(the easiest).
Marvel, where a cat can scratch an eye out but a bullet can't.
None of us may care for Echo, but we all will care for your video on it.
I don't think you should say "we" as you don't speak for everyone.
nah he speaks for me here @@MegaSpideyman
@@MegaSpideyman me three
@@user-jx7hm6fi8v Ok, but still not everyone.
@@GeraltofRivia22 Alright, but still not everyone.
Wouldn't be surprised to find out that one of Maya's ancestors defeated the Predator in Prey
I can confirm she is descended from Elizabeth Warren, yep.
@@TheLittlePlatoonAs an Indigenous American myself, your offensive comment about Chief Grand Warren is absolutely hilarious, and don’t you ever apologize for it!
Echo is definitely a Mary Sioux. Marvel is dead, the only way Marvel live today is through content creators like The Little Platoon.
@@NateLawful could be worse...could be a Siouxsie Sioux....I make no apologies for being old.
Echo was the passenger@@johnnemo6509
What a shame that the Marvel universe has nanotechnology but not laminated glass.
I was thinking the same thing. The side windows are *safety* glass which is specifically engineered *not* to shatter into large chunks
The joke is on us. The vehicle that crashed into them was carrying a trailer full of broken glass shards being sent for recycling!
ASL interpreter for a crimelord is my new dream job
You sure about that? Kingpin randomly kills his interpreters.
@@TheLittlePlatoon ASL often includes giving everyone nicknames/name tag instead of spelling out their whole names. The memeibilty is worth the early grave.
Also, love your work, you help me hold onto my santiy. Thank you!
@@jim-bob3093 I was once told of a colleague of my relative's who was given the sign for breasts bc hers were very big and the most instantly recognizable thing on her, so 100% agree
And freed her from the rest of this mess of boring 😅 @@TheLittlePlatoon
*waves intimidatingly*
At least this show didn't have Nick Fury going "Deaf girl magic!".
Instead, they decided to run with Native Americans...that are *alien mud people.* Let that sink in. It's as cringe as dashiki light shields, a literal "white boy" quota and water drum activated space barriers in Wakanda, if not more.
In sign language
I was in the airport this week. And some black woman in her twenties (total wokester) had a sticker on her shoe that said “BLACK GIRL MAGIC” on it, and I just couldn’t.
I almost burst out laughing. Which would have gone poorly, since I had a very sore throat and had pretty much lost my voice at that point lol.
They cut that part out because Echo didn’t hear him say it.
😂😂
"Marvel's Echo: The most pointless video I've ever made"
...so far.
Don’t worry, it will get worse. Once the wings fall off, it’s only down from there.
He's going to release a Madame Web video to top this pointless wreck of a show.
The Acolyte: Allow me to introduce myself....
Just thank God that he doesn't waste his time reviewing Steven Seagal movies, no matter how hilarious it would be.
"We learn Daredevil was watching-"
You sure about that?
hah...your funny
Well, Echo heard him coming…
It’s funny. There’s a character called American Eagle that is a Navajo superhero in the Marvel comics universe. He’s pretty close powers-wise to Captain America. When he was first introduced back in the 80’s he wore a kinda garish costume that included a large feathered headdress. He was given an updated look in 2009 of a biker outfit with an optional eagle-shaped motorcycle helmet that fits more with a hero based out of the Arizona desert. The writer of the Thunderbolts book AE was appearing in, Warren Ellis, said he thought the old look was too stereotypical. Now, contrast this with what Echo’s wearing at the end. We have gone backwards.
That does ask the question do writer really know what tribes actually wore the feather head dress?
@@Marveryn Wait, are you suggesting that the hundreds of tribes in North America are not interchangeable?
@Marveryn
Ridiculous, all demographics are monolithic how am I supposed to play victim of loose ancestral relationships to those who suffered before me when living in an era far removed from such times?
@StarWarsomania As you know, just as all white people are a monolithic group, so are American Indians.
yeah, he was never going to get into the MCU. Don't get me wrong, if there was a guy named Jason Strongbow who had their brother or something killed by kingpin so they grabbed a bikerjacket, eagle-helmet and a crossbow only to fixup/retrofit that dead relative's motorcycle and go on a punisher-esque crusade against kingpin that *_would_* have been fucking awesome, but the issue is it's both overwhelmingly american *_and_* he's a minority. If you're a conservative the left hates you, (or really if you're just anything not on the left, in some ways they hate classical liberals/libertarians more) if you're a minority the left will give you everything, but the second you're a minority that is vaguely pro-american you're public enemy number one.
Don't get me wrong, from what I can read he's a fucking badass character, and frankly I think he'd be perfect for the MCU since he has a more standard powerset like Cap but with a 180 degree flip on the whole boyscout personality. If you had him start out fighting Kingpin or Bullseye/Pointdexter as his origin, then meeting up with Daredevil and getting some contact between them, then meeting with Rhodes, then you have a really interesting and compelling twist on the original Avengers structure. (team structure I mean) Rhodes has the tech of Tony Stark, but is unfortunately largely unable to innovate or improve it since he didn't actually make it. However, he is far more 'by the books' like Cap is, or rather, was. Daredevil would be fulfilling a Clint/Natasha role as a 'yeah technically I'm underpowered to the rest of the guys here, but if you really think that'll save you then you need to pay more attention' but would provide legal support in much the same vein as Tony/Fury provided financial support and assets/utilities. Meanwhile AE (I fucking love that his name shortens to AE) would have powers closer to Captain America, but a more 'break shit and get shit done' approach much like Tony. Oh, and as a bonus Daredevil could help John Walker sue the US government for their defamation and mistreatment of him.
It'd work narratively, the character seems awesome, they'd play off each other well, it's be a very compelling twist on the original formula, etc. but no matter how good it'd be, he's a minority superhero that is simultaneously very pro-america in his themeing, he ain't happening.
edit : holy shit, I love the fact that his name shortens to AE even more now that I realized he's from Pheonix Arizona. In other words, he's the Eagle protecting the Arizona Desert, he is the Desert Eagle, and his name shortens to AE. Fuck you, this guy is more aggressively american than Cap ever was and you can fight me if you say otherwise.
"The English did not colonize these people just so we could learn to pronounce their names." This joke would get you branded a terrorist in Canada.
"Mind you if this were in Canada, that might require a full on execution." That one would have got you JT's job.
So I could rule the country as a terrorist?
the choctaw did fine until Andrew Jackson made em take a walk, (needed land to payoff voters) never had much issue with settlers... enjoyed guns, steel tools, and slave labor on their plantations and farms
@@TheLittlePlatoonwell JT did give a Nazi a standing ovation so yeah you could.
“He’s out of line. But he’s got a point.”
@@Ryan-hz3eq Copy/Paste --- Mitchell and Webb: "Are we the baddies?" --- on youtube and have a good laugh.
"Big Chief Fair Use" is legend.
Had me laughing pretty good
I laughed - but is there also space for his son "Brave Fair Use"?
Like the buffalo.
word! i felt the same waY
The appeal of this channel is 50% informative opinion and 50% soothing voice.
I fall asleep to the marvels 5h video every night.
@@Dafuq-is-going-on
If you're ever in a real hurry to fall asleep, watching the actual Marvels will knock you out in less than 5 minutes.
Side effects from the film might include weird nightmares, and semipermanent trauma on waking up, though. Your current method seems much healthier.
@@Dafuq-is-going-onrandom film talk's rings of power videos are also great for falling asleep and there pretty funny as wel
Yes him and mauler, both their voices give me serotonin 😊
@@roronoadzoro9429 RFT is my absolute favorite second-screen channel at the moment
Wouldn't photographic reflexes mean you could perfectly imitate someone's movements, not necessarily learn a new skill, much less do it better, or wouldn't even be physically capable of actually performing said skill? I could theoretically mimic the movements of a ballerina just by watching but I'd no doubt tear every muscle in my groin in the attempt.
In the comics, yes, I think that's still a requirement for her. I don't think the show really cared about logic.
That's at least how Task Master works.
Some actors are such good mimics that they can look as if they actually have the golf swing of a pro golfer. Jim Caviezel played golfer Bobby Jones in a movie about him and just by watching film of him was able to copy his swing quite convincingly. So some superpowered character having a wider version of such abilities isn’t automatically silly, although it could be taken a bit too far if writers are inept.
Echo at the start : Kills Kingpin I assume she had a motive
Also Echo after discovering he is alive : Yeah but no I can heal him. I can change him. I can make him better.
Me... The fuck. Don't they call that a toxic relationship?
Dismal, er Disney Marvel is full of toxic relationships because that's all the writers know. Look at Shulk and Bruce Banner for instance.
@@punishedmatteson7108 its also funny that all these shit shows were directed by women
"I can fix him!"
The vast majority of Disney shows and movies nowadays thrive on toxic relationships. The most offensive part is the fake feminist message. Every woman in a Disney production is already perfect, she just needs to recognise it herself and take "responsability" . What does that mean : " stop trying to have a career or trying to change your position in the world, you don't need to. You are already perfect, now go back to your roots and found a large family. You should accept your responsabilities as a woman( bake cookies, make babies, stay at home). All men are toxic, but you can change them, it's your place to change them in fact. They also need you, because they are incompetent, so never ever leave them"
Something that occurred to me as I watched this: if I were a native American and some Hollywood producer came to me asking to make a movie/tv show about my people & mythologies, I'd have no reason to trust them. Consider what Hollywood (western screenwriters) have done with our own mythologies: how they've betrayed, or race/gender/gay/trans-swapped characters and such. Even mythologies that we've created recently, like LOTR, Star Wars, comic books, etc.; we don't respect our own mythologies, so why should anyone else trust us to respect or represent theirs?
That’s really the underpinning frustration in this video. Besides how pointless it is, and despite all the jokes, it’s that we’ve got yet another “diverse” character who simply isn’t a character, and yet more squandered mythology.
This... My goodness, you're 100% right.
Didn't realize quite how to phrase it, but that's exactly it.
If we can't even respect ourselves and our own mythologies, and/or our own history, why would anyone expect us to respect theirs?
FYI, I'm absolutely going to steal this when I talk with normies about similar topics in the future.
Kudos, man. _This_ is the comment every‑one should be reading to further support Little Platoon's Echo re‑view.
They would mostly leave it untouched anyways, because the only "care" about N. American history when there's a white guy they can blame for what happens. Doing anything set in America or Africa prior to European contact is anathema to them.
Problem is most of the leadership of the native tribes have been all in on woke nonsense longer than Hollywood has.
Why couldn't Echo's mom heal her hearing with her ancestor magic healing power?
Good question!
... wouldn't check the DEI boxes 🤣🤣🤣
It could've been explained that the magic healing power cannot heal those that were born with injuries like deafness.
Because many deaf people consider their disability to make them superior to others. No I don’t understand it either. The point is, they consider curing deafness to be a bad thing & so Marvel must virtue signal.
Don't you know that they aren't "disabilities" anymore? They are differently abled and to suggest that they need "healing" is offensive and just what a colonizer would say! (And probably racist to boot)
Kingpin using an interpreter is so unlike how he was previously characterized. In the daredevil show, he was shown to be very fluent in mandarin, able to maintain a quite elaborate conversation. He employed an interpreter for a while, but it was revealed to be just a ploy to seem less wise he actually is.
I think he actually speaks a bit of ASL in the Hawkeye show. They just kinda forgot.
“Receptionist and the Part-time Bad Guys” sounds like the worst death metal band ever.
I do like "Cousin Bonnie and the Ambulances" though - that's a strong band name.
"Part-Time Bad Guys" on its own goes kinda hard though
I prefer "Echo & the Bunnymen". They really missed the trick to not include their musical cameo...
A real shame that the show doesn’t show the danger for having a deaf assassin.
I’m thinking a scene of Echo sneaking up on a target the music cuts out she slips and grabbing a temporary shelf to regain her balance. A stack of poorly placed glasses fall and shatter on the floor in silence with Echo none the wiser.
But that would make Echo look weak.
What you are asking for is for their hero to be able to overcome their inherent physical problem rather than embrace it and wield it as not a problem but a weapon. It's such a flaw of the modern writing that they think all humans are equal in all aspects. It's just not a reality that it is true. They can't show a deaf person having problems with their hearing because they see it as admitting to that reality.
Like for example I think something that can't be understated is the ear and hearing by extension is a critical sense for fighting not just due to hearing your opponent coming but depending on what causes the deafness, fighting might be even harder as our sense of balance relies on organs in the inner ear. So in reality deaf people are more prone to fall over randomly or when they overexert themselves.
Not a nitpick but it did make me wonder. Would the shattering make a big enough vibration for her to feel? Cus losing a sense generally sharpens other senses right?
Or she misses the guard who doubles back and just follows behind her the whole time because she can’t hear his heavy footsteps and questions.
@@QueamQuackers IRL, it depends I guess. If it hit the metal shelf, it might cause some vibration that she could feel as she's grabbing the shelf. If it just fell off and broke on the ground, I don't think so.
In a superhero movie? It could totally be a thing.
@@MajorSmurf It reminds me of a horror movie from a few years ago where the main character was a deaf woman in the midst of a home invasion situation where the killer had *realized* that she was deaf and took advantage of it.
Her inability to hear things going on had actual, legitimate consequences, and in an early scene of the movie, her neighbor and friend *dies* screaming at the back door for help, with the main character completely oblivious to the killer's presence as he stared straight at her.
The confidence it would require to not change your legal name when it’s Chad Wonderbum is more than I could ever imagine having.
Or as I like to call it, "Dances with Sterotypes"
"Being nothing special is quite special these days." Sad but true.
Mary Sioux? lol what a pun!
Hope no one Siouxs you for that!
well played
I was about to say, it was worth doing the video for that alone.
Personally I thought it was a bit insensitive and tone-deaf
RUclipsr makes a pun. Hilarity ensiouxs.
Well done.
Chad Wonderbum …. Sounds like the star of a series of 70’s adult movies designed for a particular audience
Yes and every time he said "Pawn Shop" I thought for the life of me he was talking about another kind of shop. (Didn't help I was listening in the background and didn't see any of the scenes that contain the Pawn shop).
As an Australian- I appreciated your football rant.
Also- just because _she_ can't hear the cutting- doesn't mean the guards near the truck won't...
My problem is this: Football is probably what the kid who invented soccer called it the whole first week after he made up the game.
It's too obvious. To me it actually draws attention to the question, "Why are adults going crazy in stadiums over this?"
At least in American football or, say, ice hockey, the name of the sport is "mysterious" enough to hide the simplicity of the entertainment
Personally it isn't our fault we are smart enough to play contact sports with padding. I will agree the name is not correct.
@@jacquelineking5783 Rugby guys would get destroyed on an NFL field. Guys are huge in American football and their collisions can still injure them through the safety gear.
The notion that rugby, as backyard rough-and-tumble fighting as it may be, is "more physical" than modern football, is completely a narrative.
@jacquelineking5783 I'm pretty sure American football outstrips rugby when it comes to all types of injury, particularly concussive brain diseases tho
@@gemh89
Which seems rather ironic, no?
'Trail of tears down her cheek' 'ooh is that too soon' you kill me LP, I literally LOL there.
RUclips needs to start translating RUclips speak into actual English.
The trail of tears line was hilarious.
That was easier
What the fuck are you on about retard? I used quotes to highlight which LP lines amused me. If you think that is not English and needs translation then it is you who has issues with understanding written English
I used quotes to highlight which LP lines amused me. That is English not 'youtube speak' if you can't understand that it is you who has a problem with understanding written English.
Her poor "Wounded Knee"...
@@mikusoxlongiusBeat me by 1 second. Bastard…
"The Creature from the Black Studies Program" might be the best thing I've ever heard Christopher Lee say.
It took so long to hunt down that old SNL episode but I think it was worth it!
I think Lee was referring to that extra terrestrial that somehow coned it’s way into being the Mayor of Chicago.
@@davemccage7918 Are we talking about Beelejuice, or Black Vaush?
@@AJadedLizardThose are mere spawns from the eternal evil that roam the Kos-fucking-mos.
Known here on Terra as *_"Cthulhu"_* 🦑
Saturday Night Live, Season 3, Episode 15, from March 25, 1978.
For those who might like to know.
The windshield should have shattered into tiny bits, since they've used that safety glass for decades at this point
Without knowing what your referencing exactly, windshields aren't made out of safety glass. They use a laminated piece of plastic sandwiched between two glass panes glued to it for safety. Otherwise a bouncing rock might shatter your whole windshield instead of just crack it.
The backs and sides are safety glass, not the windshield.
@@james3876 Driver windshields have been required to safely shatter into small pieces since the late 1930's. While the passenger windows etc. since the 1950's. It is a beyond stupid premise made by lazy ass writers.
@@cordovalark5295 Presumably these are people not only profoundly ignorant about cars, but modern entertainment. I cannot count how many times I've seen scenes where someone smashes a car window to get at the people inside and it shatters into glass pebbles.
@@cordovalark5295The side windows have tempered glass that shatters into small pieces but windshields are laminated glass. There's a polymer between pieces of glass that prevents the glass from falling apart even after it breaks. The polymer is the reason windshields break in a spider-web pattern and don't shower the people in the car with glass when they break.
You're my favorite.
I love that u brought up the fact that it was weird for maya's mom to take Maya with her to store when Maya had a friend/cousin over. I remember watching that and thinking that made no sense.
A mom would either leave both girls or take both girls, she wouldn't separate them. It's a small thing but it bothered me
As a fellow Mexican, we calls those types Cholos.
Chavs, cholos, chuds...man, if you want to insult someone, call them something that starts with "ch". Must suck for people named "Charles."
Echo annoys me on a worldbuilding level
We have Winter Soldier with a robot arm since the 90s
We have Iron Man with a robotic suit since the mid 00s
We have Vulture and his entire thing
Why then is Echo using a crappy 00s prosthetic when Kingpin could have bought a robotic limb from Hydra, Stark, or Vulture?
Even modern prosthetics are better than that piece of junk
Would have given her a boost in fighting capabilities too, making them more believable
Yeah, a highly advanced robatic leg that has multiple weapons and could be programmed to operate even when it's removed from Echo/Maya's body would have been way cooler than what the writers went with.
because with crappy old school prosthetic they can justify actress that doesnt have that much experience, its her first movie and she is not the best at action scenes
Yeah, no. You see, those prosthetics must have been designed by "evil" men, so that's a big no-no. (this one probably also has been designed by a man but they choose to conveniently forget that).
@@zawarudo1041it’s not a movie
You’re assuming that the Echo writers actually paid attention to what earlier writers did in other movies?!
If I was Native American, I think I’d be offended that they made her power generic ancestor magic instead of something actually unique and interesting. It feels like they just took one of the most obvious Indian stereotypes and made it her superhero ability.
I would be okay with taking a classic American Indian skill amd amplifying it. Someone with absurdly good tracking skills could be interesting. But they have no restraint and it would also have to somehow have martial arts or energy beams involved.
Thanks, Platoon. I'm glad you were bored enough to write a nearly 3 hour script about Echo because I was bored enough to watch a nearly 3 hour video about Echo.
“…a multiversal maelstrom of eye piss.” Its like Shakespeare
I haven't seen a single piece of new Star Wars or Marvel content since the Rogue One and yet I've gotten hours of entertainment from videos like these. I hope Disney never stops.
yes... Little Platoons' vids where the critique has more informative content and value than the series being criticized
I want someone to do a subversion of the Ancestral Memory ability.
“Ok, we are getting ready for the heist. What do you have to offer?”
“Well, I am really good at farming, I can hunt with a spear or a sling, I speak Italian, Latin, German, and a dead Russian dialect, I can fix some American cars made between 1948 and 1980, and I can remove a limb with a rusty saw. Which one do you need?”
Netflix' Daredevil (and Jessica Jones, The Punisher...) was "grounded and character driven" several years before, but with a good writing and character development, and we won't have that anymore with Disney
Exactly
Not only have you embraced the long, you’ve become the long; Mooler would be proud.
This will give me something to watch this week on my breaks. Keep up the good work LONG Platoon, it is appreciated.
"I'm the Avatar. Deal with it!"
Netflix Daredevil showed us a Kingpin who was , almost always, five steps ahead of his enemies.
He had dirt on half of the powerful in New York, and paid off half of the other half.
He was smart and prepared in the extreme.
He had plans inside of plans and pivoted well when things went against those plans.
Daredevil had to not only be on top of his game, but had to have competent allies to have half a chance of taking this man down.
Echo defeats him with ease and 1/100th the effort.
I guess he just loved her that much.
Even though she was never mentioned in three seasons of Daredevil.
I'm pretty sure I mentioned this on an unlisted BSUP video, but I'll repeat it here:
The representation of Choctaw culture is being a major player in a gang war, helping an assassin take over the drug and crime ring from the Kingpin. Such a great cultural moment.
I’m going to spend more time watching this video than I ever will Echo
Mary-Sioux 😂
Platoon, you beautiful bastard.
Im pretty sure a child could get an ice cream cone whether if they were deaf or not. Its an ice cream cone!!
Biden could.
I'm Navajo, that being said I hate how Natives are being shown in all these shows in movies, not knowing how to act, with all this native pride and strong moments, but In person we are like everyone else. Can we make a show or movie without being some kind of stereotype. We are not better than anyone else. Love the reviews.
If the person you are planning to trust above all is deaf, wouldn’t a smart criminal just learn sign language himself?
Stop thinking. It ruins your movie watching experience 😂
@@josephsalmonte4995 Most movies ruin my movie watching experience these days so...
Plot twist: Tuklo hunted down and recaptured Don Cheadle's ancestor, who had been sold to them by LeVar Burton's ancestor. 😱
At this rate I fully expect Daredevil to have a flashback to his accident and gain some kind of chemical powers that manifest as glowing knuckles or something.
Iron Fist already has the "glowing fist" as part of his look. Since it would be stupid to give Daredevil almost the exact same look I'm sure that's what Marvel Studios will do.
The Andy Griffith Show did the dead bird episode over 50 years ago. Little Opie kills a bird with a slingshot, and his father Andy helps a crying and remorseful Opie deal with the consequences of his actions.
I remember, my ass cried when he tossed the bird.
So the ancestors only intervene when they feel they're needed? I guess they didn't feel needed when the Choctaw were forcibly resettled to Oklahoma. Or during the wars with the Comanches while they were there. Or the wars with the Chickasaw and Creeks before the move to Oklahoma. I mean, you could argue that none of that has any direct relevance to the show, but this is a story that's supposed to be grounded, a story in which the ancestors have a deep connection to the present, and it's one that's supposed to take place in a near-future Earth, where history as we know it is largely untouched. As such, I argue that history like what I mentioned above IS relevant. It should be respected, not completely broken by the addition of what TLP has aptly called universe-breaking powers.
That said, I don't mind the idea of magic only being inherited through the female line. The Choctaw traditionally used matrilineal inheritance, meaning that children were born into their mother's family and property was inherited through the female line. The show could've integrated that into the magic system by pointing out that magical powers are passed down matrilineally. Alas, it seems Echo is yet another in a long lineup of soulless corporate media pieces that seek profit by wearing the skin of a minority culture without digging into it and viewing the world, and its own worldbuilding, through that cultural lens.
The Choctaws (and Chickasaws) actually agreed to be paid off for the move to Oklahoma; they weren't forcibly resettled... although the Cherokee example proves that they would have been had they pressed the issue.
@@boobah5643 You could be right, but given the Cherokee example you mentioned, I don't think it counts as an uncoerced decision on the Choctaw's part. I'd also need to know the details of how the negotiations took place, given the Creek example. One Creek chief agreed to removal on behalf of his entire nation, but didn't have the authority to do so. His fellow Creeks executed him for it.
@@5h0rgunn45 Very similar with the Choctaw which is why the tribe split in two - those who refused to move (and remain in Mississippi) and those who were moved to the Oklahoma reservations. The Oklahoma tribe lay claim to the history of 'true' Choctaw, it seems. And 'coincidentally' cooperated with Disney on the Echo series and seem to have scrubbed those other parts of their history from the history they project now. Not sure here that all of the propaganda/blame lies with Disn'tney.
@@OsellaSquadraCorse I figured it was something like that
NGL, I practice your intonation and speech patterns in front of a mirror. You're a VO artist's dream
Maybe I should get into that business myself!
@@TheLittlePlatoon It can be a grind, but I love it. Though the irony is that I want to get into RUclips/podcast content creation, myself. AI is about to slaughter the whole VO industry.
I find it fascinating these days that when it comes to marvel movies and shows, I have zero interest in them and find the idea of watching them as fun as watching grass grow. However when it comes to watching your videos discussing them I find them a great thing to listen to while working. Keep up the great work.
The elder couple are exactly the same two actors from Dances with Wolves, as man and wife, again lol
That's creepy in a way
@@johndodo2062 Not as bad as Elizabeth Olsen and Aaron Taylor Compton playing siblings in the MCU and a married couple in Godzilla.
She's an amputee not a paraplegic. Everything else was spot on.
"How much worse can it get?" -2024
"You obviously learned nothing." -2019
"We'll call them the Washington Redskins" 👍👍👍
But you shouldn't... that'll get ya canceled. They're the Commanders now. 😂😂
A substantially less cool name actually...
Anyone else disturbed by the fact that the orgin story they told in this disaster isn't the actual origin story for the Chactaw?
I wondered about that because it didn't feel authentic...but admittedly didn't care enough to look it up
Writers researching? Talking to those of the local culture? Exploring ancient texts and other references?
What year do you think this is? We don't do that here.
The real Choctaw origin story probably wasn’t inclusive enough, so they corrected it 😊
The only thing that was remotely referenced was that they originated emerged from an earth mound Nahni.
What? You mean white, Californian college grads working in Hollyweird can’t be bothered to actually KNOW anything about their token checkbox peoples?
I’m shocked, shocked…well, not that shocked.
Mary Sioux?
Well played, sir. Well played.
Kingpin post office scene has his right eye injured, then a few seconds later it is his left eye. show cant keep anything straight. timestamp on this video @ 2:22:36
Oh, no, that might be a video edit thing - this thing’s out so late because it was an arse trying to get it past copyright, and flips/rotations are a handy way of tricking the algorithm.
Not ruling out that they forgot which eye he got shot in, mind.
It changes several times because Platoon has to mirror the video; Maya's dominant hand when she's shooting changes for the same reason.
No one cares about Echo, but I care about listening to your voice, good sir.
Other than Kingpin and the ONE DareDevil cameo, theres literally nothing that connects this show to the MCU
Which would actually be fine IF it was a good show on its own. See:Andor
Its such pathetic attempt to bait people and didnt work all it did ruin King pin character and Daredevil becoming more punching bag
It's because it wasn't well advertised. And you could say the same thing about Shang chi and moonknight, that doesn't mean they weren't great. I gave echo a chance even though I knew nobody gave a damn about it, until I remembered from that one trailer that she's actually deaf and it made me really love the show.
@@frickenflapcrapsyou love it because she’s deaf?
My god your standards are low. @@frickenflapcraps
Car Windshields don’t shatter into pieces, they fracture. I once watched a man slamming a sledgehammer into a car windshield over and over for ages and the best he could do was try to peel it away like plastic after it had fractured completely. He eventually gave up.
Well, how old is the car? The laminate safety windshield only became mandatory in the late 1970s. The side windows were also plate glass until then as well. Rural Oklahoma has a lot of older cars.
@@Knirin While it is strange for me to think about a mother driving her child around in a vehicle without safety windshields, I can see a logic in not needing the extra protection in a rural area (if we are to assume that the family can’t afford a newer car) - no other traffic around, driving slow through wooded areas, and driving slow and cautious while in the populated area where the hot chocolate shop would be… but that does open a whole new can of worms! Because they DID end up in a high speed accident with another vehicle! You would think that a road accident in a rural area without brakes would be more likely to be sliding down an embankment if they couldn’t slow down in time? I mean if you were to deliberately cut the breaks of their car, that’s what you would be planning to achieve? Because you can’t rely on another vehicle being involved like on a highway? But I guess it’s easier to film and communicate to the audience that a car accident has happened to have a static shot of an oncoming vehicle driving towards the camera, cut to black.
@Knirin it might not have been regulated until the 70's but safety and tempered glass was in wide use in the automotive industry way before that. Killing your customers because a rock hit their windshield at highway speeds is generally bad publicity.
@@absolutechaos13People tend to forget that cars had some pretty great tech back in the day. Jet cars, push button start, etc.
The idea that adding screens and computers was the start of safety or even features in general, is a bit misguided
@@matthewmosier8439 I mean, I’m of the opinion that every screen and computer you add is a step backwards in terms of a “safety” feature…
Bruh, this is annoying. This is the fifth time RUclips has unsubbed me from your channel...
Anyway. Love the banter, Platoon. Keep it up...
Well thank you for re-subbing! Honestly, at this point we should just bake in that RUclips actively tries to sabotage creators.
Yeesh. Naruto did the photographic reflexs better when Lee told Sasuke: "Just because you understand a move doesn't mean you have the physical ability to pull it off."
Why did the producers take 2 of the more interesting character actors from Dances With Wolves (Graham Greene - Oneida heritage, and Rose Marie "Tantoo" Cardinal - Cree heritage), and make them non-contributing (and boring) dead-wood fillers in this show? Won't blame them for taking the money, but Dakota Johnson (also took the money) fired her agent for getting her into Madame Web, so there is a hint of what they might do. In any case, these two actors weren't hired for their acting chops, but one might suspect the producers wanted to check off a box somewhere.
Platoon, your video has been out for just over an hour and has nearly twelve thousand views. You’re doing better than the actual show - so not a complete waste of time.
I wouldn't be surprised if more people watched your video about echo than the show itself
Pretty sure they have at this point. I never watched a single second of Echo
Platoon having to watch Marvel projects is a fate worse than Zeus's punishment of Prometheus.
Mary Sioux. Genius. Wouldnt get that with Disparu 😂
it was a comment on the EFAP video on echo before it was here
You'll laugh allot more with disparu
@@johndodo2062 until your 13th birthday
For real, he's awful. Hyperbolic, simplistic, overly political, immature takes, poor communicator. The most recent drinker panel with him on was the worst I've seen yet. Nothing intellectual said all episode.
@@aspiringnormie9499 finally. I was starting to think it was just me. I can't see the appeal
It's so sad what happened with Daredevil and Fisk. Season one of Daredevil was a great exploration of watching a hero's life break down for his dedication to what he believed was right while the villain was repeatedly rewarded for his actions. The monologue from Matt's priest regarding evil remains one of my favorite moments in any superhero media, and I thought it was really cool that the only romantic plot happened with the villain and wasn't some trashy "oh look at these hot actors getting steamy" sort of thing. I hated the subsequent seasons which I suppose is good because it prepared me to not be disappointed by the joke that has been made of the characters since that singular good run, but there is a part of me that is very sad when I see the shameful garbage these characters are involved in now.
Anyway, you say this is pointless but I think it's really noble of you to validate Echo's existence with a whole video, you are stunning and brave! Being featured in a Little Platoon video is probably the most positive thing that can be said about Echo, you're truly an ally to the disadvantaged and marginalized groups of our society who worked on this show such as women and the freshly lobotomized, thank you for your sacrifice.
Daredevil suffers from a lot of the same problems as the Sam Raimi Spider-Man films in that it's generally really quite good but for one very specific example of horrible casting which people just ignore (D'Onofrio as Fisk and Dunst as MJ...honestly also McGuire as Peter Parker). The show works really well whenever Fisk isn't on screen but Fisk himself suffers from the same problem all "genius" characters suffer from in that he can't be smarter than the writers. it's not quite as bad in the first season (honestly, the Idiot Ball is firmly clasped by James "I'm going to hand a woman I've just threatened and traumatized a loaded gun and then act surprised when she shoots me with it" Westley; it's not until S3 when Fisk can't even dispose of bodies correctly that he's got it himself full-time).
Fisk has his other problems, namely in D'onowhatever's strange diction and the really bizarre choice to have him do a Richard Nixon impression the entire time but the biggest problem is every time (and this is present from the first season) the writers have him just murder his own people for no reason other than it looks cool. It's a fundamental misunderstanding of who Fisk is in this world: he's a normal man in a world where magic is real and his rivals are literal immortal cult leaders and yet he's not smart enough to understand brutalizing his own men won't earn their loyalty. I refuse to believe the second time he decided to beat one of his guards to death for *following orders* one of them wouldn't have just shot him in the head. In real life, the whole reason the Mob fell apart was because the FBI was able to crack Omerta, which they accomplished largely through the Mob refusing to take care of its own people. Breaking Bad understands this, the Godfather understands this, even the Star Wars Sequels understand this (Hux betrays the First Order because his fear of the Dark Siders is only outclassed by his hatred of Kylo Ren, after all). The fact Daredevil, the "gritty" and critically acclaimed first act of the Netflix MCU *doesn't* understand this boggles my mind.
I thought the Mary Sioux from the thumbnail was in reference to the character from Youjo Senki. Who happens to be my favorite take on the Mary Sue archetype for making her a typical Mary Sue to the world she's in but the antagonist to our main character and showing how vile a Mary Sue can be to people that doesn't fall into her "everyone loves her" bubble.
Took me a minute to understand the intended pun but then it got a chuckle out of me anyway.
I remember someone gave me the comic of her first appearance. I thought she was pretty cool because her main weakness was she couldn't do everything she saw and had to accommodate her body. So she watched featherweight boxers, and martial artists who had similar body types. If she saw someone do a split she couldn't just to a split, she had to be flexible enough to do a split.
Imagine being someone whos first contact with Kingpin was in Echo... And you never saw it in Daredevil... And someone though that was a good idea, and some other one signed for funds to be asigned to that project.
Missed opportunity to title your review:
"A Marvel Show No One Heard Of." 🥁
Did you forget a word or two?
Fun Fact: Nitrogen is required to make bombs and the formula and catalyst that we used for modern fertilizer nitrogen was initially created for bombs in WW1 in Germany.
This is also why you will be put on a watch list if you purchase too much fertilizer too quickly.
Nitrate not nitrogen. It was know that you could create ammonia nitrate from ammonia before the war but Germany was the first country to do it in on industrial scale.
My American Grandfather was deaf for 40 years before he died (made it to 95) and read lips. He never learned ASL because hearing aids could work for him. They weren't very effective, but between the ability of being able to hear something, anything at all, and reading faces he would just carry full-on conversations. Of course he watched for motions, gestures, that he needed to lower his voice and was able to swing his own voice-volume up and down. He was highly observant as a result of basically missing a sense more then half the time (he use to drive with the window down to get more feedback / able to look around more) and was fully-employed up until age 68 or something (took that sweet state retirement package, cracked open a beer and humbly took to watching sportsball with tv volume at maximum at all times, with hearing aids cranked to maximum).
I mention all of this because even though this character is obviously different, with a different degree of deafness to deal with, I really feel like from all reviews so far that the production team really failed the character in not deciding how she coped with deafness. You can use technology, or not; you can read lips, or learn ASL or both but it really seems like this character doesn't quite have the right mix of methods to come off as believable. ASL is an uncommon language; it's not that you can't get by in life but it means you would need to compensate a lot to get around that language barrier and it doesn't sound like she implements a lot of alternative methods and instead OTHER characters always have to happen to meet her needs instead of her adapting to life challenges.
Mary Sioux gets a like everytime great pun.
Another one Platoon watched so I don't have to. The hero we need.
Small point of disagreement: Maya didn't want to get the cops involved because she herself is a criminal with a lot of blood on her hands, and she has no intention of walking away from that life. She wasn't willing to risk getting herself in trouble by calling the authorities.
>Chad Wonderbum
You sure this ain't a character from MST3K?
Mutiny in space?
I saw “Mary Sioux” in the FNT comment section and i’m SO glad it caught on!
I love it when RUclips decides notifying me isn't important
This is what finally forced me to Twitter. It’s how I find out when videos I want to see are dropping.
@@FortheSakeoftheCommentsI'm actually quite proud that I have avoided every social media site other than RUclips. Getting really close to not using this thing anymore either. Life is so much better without all this shit
1:41:36 *Christopher Lee with a mustache is as cursed as the monsters he once portrayed.*
Maya's mother should have just said, like a normal person, 'well do it tomorrow'. Who the fuck goes shopping at night in the rain unless they're already on their way home?
If the choccatawis had super powered women on the regular(which is likely considering there were only like, 12 of them originally), they would have ruled north america since with some strong men and super powered women, nothing could stop them. Healing powers, super strength, super aim would lead to an empire run by these women in a matriarchal society.
mans voice is perfect for his comedy
So Rings of Power part 3? Are you still gonna do that or have you given up on it for the sake of your sanity?
The plan is to finish it before season 2 comes out.
@@TheLittlePlatoon oh good, sometime within the decade then haha
I think I feel really bad for Vincent D'Onofrio.
The long, one-shot fight scene seems to be another example of member berries, because all 3 seasons of Daredevil had one of those. They actually proved to be very influential. John Wick, James Bond, Atomic Blonde, Extraction, every action film started having an extended, one-take action scene. Also, I'm a troglodyte who enjoys MMA, but I have a good explanation for that: I like seeing people who aren't me beating the shit out of each other.😅
Why couldn't we have a show about Papa Echo going John Wick on the men that killed his wife and crippled his daughter Instead?
Pointless or not, this title is gold.
46:34 KingPin went from "If you say his name , better to kill yourself coz otherwise he ll kill everyone you love" To advertising his name every chance he got lol
Chief old Hag is the Chief's wife from Dances with Wolves.
Poor old kaw-liga, he don’t know what he missed, poor old kaw-liga he never got a kiss!
Is it any wonder that his face is red!
You're getting a like for that thumbnail alone
“I am Chief Runs-with-Premise. And this is my son, Premise-Running-Thin.”
I haven’t yet heard the quote, I’m just assuming you used it in here somewhere.
As an aspiring writer, I find watching you to be the writing equivalent of being an amateur cook watching Kitchen Nightmares, and I love it