Swagtron scooter (Xiaomi M365) speed & range test with 48V, 60V and 80V batteries
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- Testing my 36V Swagtron Swagger 5 electric scooter with an upgraded 36V Xiaomi M365 motor using different battery voltages up to 80V. Will it become a speed demon? Let's find out!
I really liked that you went for the 80V battery! This was well edited and made the entire video test very enjoyable to watch. Thank you for sharing your test and results with us! I look forward to the next video. :) :)
Welp, I thought the 32 mph scooter was insane, but I think you took it a step further. lol
So awesome!
I would love a how to video. Step by step how you changed everything out. which parts you used and the links would be great.Lots of great information on your channel 👍🏻
Yes need to see how you did it
My M365 with a 92v controller and 86v 40ah battery I got up to 66mph but the motor was VERY hot, I could actually hear the metal ticking on it. Annnd.. Yea, it doesn't work anymore because I went onto the highway with it so I could get somewhere but just before I got off the highway, it overheated and I could hear some crunching grinding sound coming from it. I did weigh about 82kg back then.
Max speed - 66-68MPH
Max distance - 80+ miles (It could of kept going, it could be 120 miles, I'm not sure... didn't fully test due to the motor dying during that test)
Thats insane honestly was it on stock motor did you do any other modifications in or outside the scooter?
What type of controller did you use cuz why did thr video didnt reach that far
Sorry for your lose in the next motor try do stupid idea which drill it and make like air vents to cool the motor or glue like fins finz like fan blade or something to make the air more focused on the motor but good job am really impressed with your work cuz m365 on highway and high speed with no suspension is super sketchy when i drove one of these felt off on 25kmh so what will happen on high speed
Good test! Very interesting to see the components of the scooter handle the higher voltage. My guess as to why the 80V had less speed is due to the amount of cells in parallel in that 80V pack. Maybe hooking up another 80V pack in parallel would help sustain such a higher current demand.
I think was the amps was so low on the 80 volt battery I think
@@Motorizedstuff lmao hahaha
It's rare I'm this early for a Vuaeco project video :) was waiting for more 60V and 80V battery content! Awesome to finally see a speed and range test, love your scooter builds
Same he does not post enough or something. where did you get the controller? I ran 72v on my bike controller for over a year. It finally stopped working. seems like 81 volts wont work. but 80 would. One day I pushed it over 81 volts and the 63 volt caps finally popped. and that made my batteries fuses blow.
Its Ah the problem of 80v battery. Nice video thanks 😁
That was impressive. Chip monk impression at full speed!
45 MPH with the wheel spinning without touching the ground will be about 30 MPH riding.
Youll be going that fast even when on and riding because of the science behind volts to speed and weight
Mine goes 19.5 on the air and 17 on tje floor.
I think the 45mph is software limitation, probably it could go further
Much appreciated. That was definitely an educational video. Cant wait for a how to controller swap👊🍻
Looks like my point of view I rather have the Kobalt 48v 10ah speed still decent fast enough especially on a scooter it’s fast and get 20miles that’s awesome, the faster you go more dangerous on them scooters 22mph way ore then enough power and miles to get you from plan A to plan B good video my friend 👍🏻
So confidence inspiring... so I'm going to turn this on lets see if it explodes!
The reason to why the 60v was faster than the 80v was all because of amps I have a e300 escooter and when I use two 1.5amp is series which is 36v 1.5 amp it is rlly slow because the amps don’t have the power to pull me but when I use my 5amp drill battery’s it flys.
I think cuz ah= tourqe the higher it gets the more insane 0 to top speed you get
With the 1.5amp its possible to reach top speed but itll drain fast cuz not enough to supply constant 60v on the system thats why feels very low on power but if you went from down hill then straight road you will see that itll handle the top speed fine
My xiaomi m365 with 13s can go up to 60km/h on orginal controller and 10s battery with 3s battery conected in series (
I weigh 52kg)
i was thinking of doing that. so is it still working? what kind of additional pack did you make? 3 packs of 3 parallel cells conected in series? without rita or other bms, so you charge separately.(i presume)...? what i am afraid the most is that poor transistor cooling, did you do any hardware mods on esc? i will have to drill through the case and put some bolts with insulators, to make it at least look like it is built well.
As usual, very interesting! Which do u usually take to work? Bike or scooter? How far? Have a great day!! Thank u!
I take my bike everywhere but now it has a new contender. :D
My scooter has a 31kph max speed because of the firmware wont let me pick higher speeds . If I bought a extra battery and hooked it up would my scooter break through the 31 limit?
Really good comparison video really enjoyed it bro cool 😎
What size is the front wheel 8 or 10 inches I want to upgrade my swagger 5 will the 10 inch fit ? is it 500W or 350W ? Which Controller did you use Do you have a model Number I like the cruise control function ? I am A Fan ! Thank You Great Videos
Could the C rating of the 80V battery be at fault, maybe? And so the motor could only draw a lower current, limiting its top speed? Maybe that was the reason why the no load test showed such a high speed, because it didn't require much current to spin up. Also, perhaps the 60V battery had a much higher C rating.
Tell me if I'm misunderstanding something here.
Edit: oops, just looked up C rating a bit more and I seem to have misunderstood it. Is it just a "suggestion" for the maximum safe current draw, before any damage occurs inside the battery?
Well, what determines the speed of the scooter is your controller. Your controller needs to handle the voltage and the current output.
Yes.
I like all your vidéos ✌️😉👍
Do you know if the stock ESC (motor controller) can handle 48V? What is the wattage of the motor you used? Thanks!
The controller is 36v so maybe not.
yes 41v to 64v
Yes but you must remember. 250W or 300W is still 300W. If you put 48V you must put less current. Otherwise you burn wiring in motor.
everytime i need info online this guy always pops up and i know its him becuase his cute accent lol no hom
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Bro, dont spend money on more parts for that scooter, and get a dual motor scooter at that point, trust me you wont be disappointed with it.
Gud day,,,sir pls help,,,i have crony m365 scooter,,,i only change battery,comes from xiaomi pro,,and everytime i open the dash board have indecated wrence red sign,,,and kip beeping every 3secs,,,not even showing error code,,pls help
welp change your motor and youll have speed double. just because you change voltage you expect to go faster with load. the motor is rated in wattage and amp. but what matter most is motor kv and watts alot of guys does this and didnt know where the bottleneck is.
what are the markings on the motor? DA36V250W or 350W? Also, does overvolting the motor with 48v controller and battery decreases it's life and does it get hot?
Most 36v motors handle 52v fine but you must keep in track the cooling and how you drive it most of the time if you hit full throttle all the time the power gets wasted in heat due to low amg rating on the wires so get thick wire and stick in the motor and itll last you much better
Since you said 48v dont mind itll br pretty fine they can handle it if you got always good weather itll be fine but hot just try to see if the motor heats
And also I’m quite surprised that the motor can take that much power to go 27 mph, it is rated at 250 - 350 W no more, how didn’t it overheat, what’s the ambient temperature during your tests? I don’t think the battery is rated to discharge in under 30 min either.
Motors can typically be pushed quite a bit past their normal operating parameters. Manufacturers are usually very conservative with how far they push their motors. Motor overheating becomes problematic when the enamel insulation on the coils reaches about 200c, at which point it melts and causes a short, leading to lower motor resistance and much higher current draw, aka fire. These smaller motors use thinner gauge wire, which can't handle as much current as thicker wire, but it still takes a lot of current to heat it up to 200c. Quite a bit more than is required to spin the motor at 27mph with a load
hello i would like to ask a few things rewgarding installing an extended battery, do you have other means of communications?
I am so impressed bro I really am you r like a scooter god
I have seen the test paper u did. Wow
Y I say wow is I got a MICROGO M5 it’s 36v 350w . It’s about 18kg it gos 19-21 mph but as I am doing 21mph u can fill something is pulling it back so I am sure it will go fast this moter just need to no y it will not go past when it fills like it’s go more.
Now this is the fun part. I got a E TWoW and it’s about 11kg and putting the moter 350w and controller all the bits from the MICROGO on to this. So it’s much faster and quicker. But still it’s like it’s restricting at top speed.
Now as other scooter I.e mates one go 15mph ish Ishod be happy witch I am.
Is 19-21mph fast for a scooter like mine.
Now if I add 6v on a relay to the 36v and use a button to add 6v =42v or 12v=48v is it worth doing the added 6v as it don’t seem u got much more out of it. And like I say there’s something holding this back as it’s got more to give. Can u please help me scooter god.
Please some advice.
Will a stock 36v controller will it take42v or will it just go wide open and blow. Will I see much more on a 350w or is it better to go for the 500w .
I no the controller will need to be swoped but if there not much In it then no point.
Plus with a 500w moter am I better off getting a controller that’s for 500w will it give more .
Is it V or amps or W that makes u go faster
Please help save me wasting cash on things I don’t need .
Thank u scooter god
The power(Watts) is defined as Voltage•Current = Power, so yes, voltage increases power which in turn increases speed.
@@buttergiver1022
Do u no anything about the 3 speed switch
hi vuaeco.i just made a 3s8p 12volt battery pack as replacement for a jumpstart pack12volt.its 4way thing .torch,compressor/jumpstart.the 15ah lead acid battery was dead as a dodo. .you thing I will need a bms for it?they are Samsung 25r cells I used as ebike battery pack.it was 48volts before stripped it down.its kept good voltage.
Hey..wanted to say I'm a big fan, my wife's Cambodian and you sound just like her father... But I need your help, I want to do a minor speed upgeade on my swagger 5 ( same model as yours) I only need it to go about 10 mph more without spending a lot of $$$$,should I get a stronger controller or get a X- m365 programmable controller and run the firmware that changes the speed limiter? Will rather work or will I need to upgrade everything?
You need to upgrade everything. Even the battery and throttle.
ruclips.net/video/bgp8_cSe3cQ/видео.html
i have a question i have a gotrax ebe1 i want to upgrade make it as fast as possible what controller should i buy? is a more expensive one better... its a 36v battery 10ah 350 watt motor id like it to go 25 mph but 20 is ok it runs at 15 mph now
I have that exact controller and I am running it at 36v so I wonder if it has some sort of memory/learning function. May clear if switched on with no battery at all?
Sir what's your weight when doing these tests?
how about the weight how much lbs. weight of the scooter for 60 volts
So it’s still stock 350w wheel
watch out ! you might burn your motor soon since you did not monitor the motor temperature. copper coil will oxide quick under higher acceptable temperatures.
He has plenty of them so that should be 🆗️ 👍
sorry to be a bother ,do you think the parallel series would work better than 1s tool power packs maybe im wrong?
Sup guys hope y'all keeping well.. I have a bolt 48v 2000w conversion kit, it's running on a 48v 17.5ah battery and it's not enough for me, so I ordered 60v 40ah battery.. you think my controller will handle the new battery?
No! Most of these controllers dont work with 60v as when i opened my tf-100 i looked at the capacitor it said 63v if it reached higher itll explode
See if your controller can handle it if not you have two choices either to modify the parts like capacitor and resistor you can look it up in youtube or buy like $30 cheap chinese controller that can handle 60-72v fine
Keep in mind the controller that you have is always based on 36/48v it can handle 52v but risky cuz unknown parts that will suffer
The 80 V battery is too small and can’t provide enough power to go that fast, it’s just 200 Wh what do you expect?
I'm sure it's been said. Please be careful, that particular scooter isn't design to go that fast. Hoped you're properly geared up.
Seems thec80v might be limited by the batteries. The 80v can't handle the amps. The no load test showed it.
If it can run a chain saw and lawn mowers, there's no reason why it can't handle a scooter.
@@vuaecochainsaws doesn't run as fast as a scooters
Swagtron Swagger funny name
I know why the 80v and 60v is a disappointment, the 80v is prolly a 1p battery that means there's just 20cell of 2.5ah in series 1 18650 cell can not do more than 10a continuous, when you try to go at more than 30kph due to the wind the resistance of ur body to the air ur weight and others factors, to reach higher speed u need more power not just voltage so a good 20a continous on 80v could get u at more than 35mph easily, when there's no load it could go at 45mph since there's no resistance, idk if i was understandable English is not my native language 😂
The Kobalt 80V battery is a power tool designed for big outdoor tools like chain saw, lawn mower, blower... It' has 18650 cells inside but those are not regular 10A discharge cells. THey can do up to 30A continuous discharge. So it's more than capable for this scooter.
@@vuaeco *Do at your own risk* The BMS inside that battery is the limiting factor. I wired two 36 volt scooter batteries wich have 30 18650 cells ......2 in series making 84.5 volts fully charged. By bypassing its bms and tapping directly to the end of the cells i can achieve a top speed of 45 mph with no stall on my fat ebike which weighs about 150 lbs plus me 225 lbs. If i went through the bms it would only allow me to achieve 25 mph top speed with cutout power stall due to battery bms amp output restriction. Been doing this for more than 2 years now. * Not recommended because it can cause a fire if you overheat the batteries.*
my m365 is going 32kph with all stock. ( yes, i’ve changed the firmware )
How did you change firmware?
Could you show us how did you swap out with Xiaomi motor and connect 3 phase wire to the new controller? Thank you in advance, vuaco.
The same colors. Three fase green, yelloy,blue. Halls red to red. It is +. Black color to black -it is minus. And on...
can you show us how you connect the xt-60 to the batteries please.
Either solder or cut and connect
just a little tip the Ah is SOLELY the range, the voltage is solely the speed end of story, your 5Ah battery got half the range of you 10.5Ah battery, your results are EXACTLY what was epected, your ideas of why its different is COMPLETELY WRONG!
Your speed indicator is bad configured, when you restart the battery, you enter 4 digit number code to adjust the inches of the wheels, try to reduce the number, like 0950, while watching the speed of the gps
Watch this video if you're in doubt: ruclips.net/video/MMG9YFQIXrU/видео.html
lmao how some dude that sets up his speedometer by some more inaccurate methods like adjusting the perimeter depending on what their smartphone GPS is showing tries to outsmart someone who actually knows about the play between rpm, perimeter and the conversion to actual speed xD
Typical modern semi-informed person that's probably overwhelmed even switching a car's tire XD
but hey, mainly owning the newest tech stuff and feeling hip until some minor thing breaks and hey presto the whole thing is getting trashed - yep, that's the 'ever so green' mindset of today's kids and sometimes I'm just indecisive if it's funny or sad..
Make a battery and use 18650 they small put them together
You did not have enough watt hours for the controller to consume to improve speed you need bigger ah 80v or 2 80vs
Agreed. And it's coming up next!
Are you just adding the external battery without modifying the controller!? Of course you have to
He replaced the original 36v controller with a 72v one.
Bro driving 80V with stock setup💀😂
And get you 11in wheel 1600 watt motor or 10 in wheel
Did the motor not burn out due to the larger controller and higher ampere?
I dont think so the wire will get hot faster cuz its not made to handle high amp but if it got super good air cooling both tge motor and wire gonna be fine
hey there
i want to ask
if i can use a 36v 500w controller to 350w motor
thx in advance
Hi there!
No you can't!! It have to much the Watts!! 350w motor-350w controller and 500w m- 500w c!
Anything else 300 motor- 350 controller, maybe works for little and burn maybe don't work for the start..!
That's why carefull with numbers and muchas!! 🧐
FYI when you push the speed and voltage against manufacture motor limits you are asking for troubles
Can I use 36v 4ah battery
Hello is your m3650 was 36volts originally?
Yes.
@@vuaeco even the controller ? Was stock ?
@@vuaeco thats cool it means ,it alright to over voltage the motor?
How did you hook up the brakes to the motor?
The brain of the scooter stops the motor when you hit the brakes
he's over volting it by more than 2x
I'm yet to understand why you want a seat on a scooter
What's the website to buy the controller
I bought them on ebay.
8000watts two 4000watt motor
O dau vay ban
Has anyone tired this with the stock controller ?
It's gonna explode.
my wife got the xiomi m365pro fast enough for her
С такими дорогами и разгоняться можно , в России подвеска хорошая нужна а не скорость
😀😎🇸🇪
You have a lil bit of mis info in there, all electric motors have no maximum voltage rating. Ive ran 2.4 volt motors on 24 volts continuosly for 2 hours before burning it up. A maximum voltage rating is a marketing tactic. Basically you have a better chance of frying your controller before your motor.
yeah im enoying see it ride it on down hill
You need more ah.
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1:33 "Dis big battery ? Baaaddery."
Bigbattery is a brand name, mate.
@@vuaecoVery interesting
Could you please fix my scooter??
What is wrong with it?
@@DonVerchi700as new battery and charger port still doesn’t power on smh
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try this on the pro 2 lmao
But why?
You neec more ah like 32ah
My scooter go 80mph
How much does it cost?
maybe 250cc or bigger
you mean your small Wide wheel pro you mentioned in your video? LMAO
The only "kick"-escooters I've ever seen that can go 80-100mph are RIONs and some heavily modified Singaporean Dualtron X.
I myself got ordered an 88.2v Rion last month that weights 68ibs with an estimated real performance of about 30-40kW being able to launch you to 75-80mph and going from 0-60 in 4-5 seconds (I will measure and confirm this with Draggy in the future).
The price for that thing was definitely an awful premium with more than 10 grand but I'll tell you that this thing will be one hell of a toy 😋
I've ridden sport bikes and race-cars that go 200mph+ but nothing compares to the rush you get while standing on a freakin kick-scooter and flying over the street, let alone the pure understatement-factor this thing offers - it will be awesome.
You cant stay on it. Going that fast
@@silvercrystal3 if u wanna go 200+ on a escooter use glue sticks on your palm...