How WEAK Was Stormtrooper armour Actually?
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- We only really see Stormtroopers in action against plot armoured badasses, but is this really a fair representation of them? And is their armour really that weak?
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As much as people rag on stormtrooper armor it still offers more protection than the top of the line rebel vests and jackets.
@Galactic Tech Creator clones look a thousand times cooler
@Galactic Tech Creator you’re either conscious or unconscious. Being knocked out is also far better than death.
I can't recall which novel it was, but one of them includes a character training to be a storm trooper. He goes to see his trainer, who throws a trident at him as if he were legitimately trying to spear him. The weapon was repelled very effectively, to the angry recruit's surprise. It was a training session to teach him what the armor can do, what it's really meant to protect from
@@Omniseed can protect you from physical projectile but not energy weapons
@Galactic Tech Creator In the Survivors Quest novel it talks about 501st stormtroopers taking a few blaster shot but it does state the blaster where very old
There should be a movie or show that follows a squad of stormtroopers showing how good they are facing non plot armor enemies
Agree 100%
IMPS: The Relentless does a good job at this
@@Cobruh_Commander That channel needs more views.
@@FREEK777ful no kidding, too bad their website is down!
@@Cobruh_Commander What? When did this happen?
What is more useless? A stormtrooper armor or a traffic light in GTA?
or a blinker on a BMW
Or a grunt from halo.
Or a villain against Asoka
or a single guardsman in warhammer.
What is more useless? A clone trooper without a blaster or the halo 2 needler?
Look man, military grade just means built by the lowest bidder
Sad truth!
It means overly expensive and never works
Having spent six years in, I can confirm this.
When the government is reviewing contractor proposals, cost is the last thing they're allowed to take into account. They first have to consider factors like can the contractor meet demand, do they have a reputation of quality, do they have a plan for meeting the KPI's, etc. If all are equal among two competitors and one can do it for less, then they'll factor in cost. Any time a contract is awarded and it appears to have been based entirely on cost, the losing bidders can file an appeal with the GAO, who will review the decision to see if they followed regulation. If not, the award is overturned, and a second round of bidding happens. This process of bid/award/appeal can go on for several months, or even over a year, during which time the previous contractor provides bridge services pending finalization award of the new contract. Been working for a government contractor myself for the past 10 years, and I've seen this play out about a dozen times so far. We are often NOT the cheapest solution, and get the contract anyways.
Edit: Yes, I'm well aware that many contracts end up with the cheapest bidder. That's because those contracts aren't contested. The good contractors fight it. They take it to court, they appeal to the GAO, they fight tooth and nail to get it. Yes, because it's profit first, and pride second. That's how it works. So if a gov't contract gets worked by a shithole contractor...think of how shitty that deal was that no one decent fought for it. Place the blame where it's due. Civil contractors aren't the enemy.
@@adamb89 More like the best option to milk it for all it's worth and deliver the bare minimum required depending on who has the most friends with their senators and extra cuts.
Storm Troopers having bad aim is a myth perpetuated by storytellers who admire ep 4. In A New Hope Storm Troopers were specifically ordered by Tarkin not to shoot to kill the main characters so they can tail them to the location of the rebel base. The admiration of episode 4 has created this belief from the fan community and story tellers following it. I personally like how Legends depicts Storm Troopers than under Disney Canon. Alot of Storm Troopers were just ordinary people just doing a job (Only the higher ups were morally evil people sending out the orders) than the cartoonish nazis we get now.
That makes no sense. Yeah don't shoot the intruders: proceeds to shoot at intruders. Also it was never explained in the film so it doesn't matter to 90% of fans.
Ah yes, another smart man.
Escape from Cloud City! Just thought I’d mention that. Yes in EP4 there are Leia’s line about letting them get away and Tarkin taking an awful risk. So yes in EP4 they were ordered to make it a convincing escape. In EP5 you have the Hoth battle with the no plot armour rebels being slaughtered then the plot armour escape from Cloud City where hitting barn doors appears to be an impossibility.
@@nameynamename3758 they did if you were actually paying attention to what Tarkin said to Vader.
@@gabrieltejada1697 If they did, then I forgot. Whoops.
Fun Fact: Storm troopers don’t have bad aim. They just shoot people who have plot armor
Closest thing you can get to trying to kill someone under a God's bloody protection.
Plot Armor, always run if the character wears plot armor!
Fun fact they have bad aim
Yep, when they fight random rebels like at the beginning of a New Hope, they perform great. It's only when plot armour is involved that they suck
@@highog3288 they have fantastic aim the helmet impacts it negatively but even then they’re pretty decent if the enemy has no plot armour
"The helmets are stronger than the rest of the armour, and only high end blasters coud penetrate it."
Boba fett:*laughs in gaffi stick*
I'm assuming that plastoid is really only meant for dispersing energy based weapons, but the moment somebody breaks out the automatic slug thrower they're boned.
@@artificerdrachen6908 actually slug throwers were said to be completely useless against stormtrooper armor hence why the rebel alliance didn’t bother using them in the war against the empire.
@@gabrieltejada1697 Yet arrows and small rocks pushed their shit in.
@@artificerdrachen6908 LOL! That was a sad scene indeed. But in their defence. I didn't think the arrow would penetrate, but being beaten to mush with blunt weapons will get the job done eventually.
I play airsoft and I had worn a full face helmet once. Emphasis on "once" I got hit by a BB and my ears rang for 10min. Then someone gave me a gently knock on the helmet and I nearly toppled over out of dizziness. If I have to imagine being hit by about 2-3 blunt weapons at the same time. I would be dead too lol.
@@Spiritus_Invictus I mean, even if a standard rifle round didn't (somehow) get past the plastoid, they would still get knocked the fuck out from the concussive forces.
"Stormtrooper Armor can help the wearer survive many things like weak blaster bolts"
Ewoks with rocks: *no*
You clearly don’t know how concussions work.
@@djcuevas1057 it was a joke lol.
I am very sorry
@PORGkins swgoh - I know you’re joking but it makes sense that Ewoks were able to beat a bunch of imperials. When you think about it Ewoks are bears that have learnt to use tools and weapons.
@@djcuevas1057 but that’s kinda the points Alf helmets.
Apparently arrows and projectiles work just fine too. So a modern real life force probably would give them quite a problem then as well
cuz plot armor is stronger than stormtrooper armor.
Well said.
Beskar is stronger than plot armor
They still could have portrayed the stormtrooppers as a bit more skilled. The empire is not a threat in The Mandalorian, that makes it boring in those scenes.
yeah, about that, why doesn't anyone think to shoot mando in the places his armor can't cover, like his neck, or armpits. ahsoka couldn't use her sabers to get through mando's arm braces, but in an episode if clone wars, she decapited 4 death watch goons, meaning that their necks are vulnerable.
@@jakethesnake3593 think about hitting a moving target in a very specific spot in-between two pieces of armor.
The books: the armor isnt that bad
The movies: yes, but no
Well think it like this not all the storm trooper who are shot in the movies are dead
@@juliovielma8703 kind of a cop-out, but it explains a thing or two. Imagine being badly wounded in a boarding action only to be unceremoniously shoved along the bulkheads so the Emperor's lapdog can make his big entrance. Then waiting thirty more minutes before you can get dragged to the sickbay.
Not against the main threat which is well aimed direct blaster fire to the upper torso something which a durasteel cuirass would protect against.
This is the reason why i like Rogue One more. Dont get me wrong, the Mandalorian is good, but it still falls in the category of 1-man army, just like the triology with the Jedi deflecting blaster bolts and decimated a company. In Rogue One they focus more on the "grunts" doing their job
Which trilogy? Ep 1-3?
Did you not watch that lady decapitate a stormtrooper with a baton. Bro rogue one had 6 one man armies.
Still like it just saying that feels like a weird reason.
The dumb romance sub plot just makes me hate rogue one
Well The Mandalorian is so obviously heavily inspired by spaghetti westerns to the point where it's an hommage. And if you've seen spaghetti westerns you'll know how it's usually a one man destroys a bunch of very feared thugs with high bounties on their heads.
@@nkosig4995 Jin Erso didn’t decapitate anyone, she just knocked the helmet off.
"I wasn't a Stormtrooper, wise-ass!" - Migs Mayfeld
Lol, you spelled his name correctly. Most people put "Mayfield."
@@geetslys well, I spell yours as ''Greetlys''
@@ledanoir1239 that’ll show em
He was into standard infantry. There was some rivalry with them... And after Operation Cinder started and most Stormtroopers didn't desert, he would have just loathed them.
That, and the New Republic would use propaganda comparing them to the vastly superior Clonetroopers.
Who’s Mayfeld?
Ran: He was an ex-imperial sharpshooter.
Mando: That’s not saying much.
Mayfield: I wasn’t a stormtrooper, wise-ass!
Mando: You know you’re digging yourself a deeper hole, right?
That would have been a nicer outcome for that scene, just one line from Din going "If you were, I'd be more impressed."
A shame that even newer troopers like the Death Troopers and God forbid the sequel Sith troopers were pretty shitty. Mandalorian had the right idea with the Dark Troopers but, Yknow. Lightsabers.
I was so pumped with how fearsome and deadly Death Troopers were in Rogue One. Some how everyone since seems to ignore how incredibly scary they are as effective killers. They are pretty much the empires Navy Seals.
To be fair lightsabers should be invincible
@@SmartChannel01 they’re technically not, there are some alloys and creatures that can withstand lightsaber blows.
@@PracticalReformation yeah three of them weren’t even enough to fight the Mandalorian
Those poor Sith Troopers shouldn’t have been so easy to kill... hell, the entire First Order Stormtrooper army should’ve been a massive step up from Imperial armory or technology... but the command structure and that the troops were literally taught to act like emotionless robots and they barely had any off duty time just added on the stress pile for your common FO Tooper. I mean you have to deal with one of your superiors going into a lightsaber frenzy if the mission failed even a little bit. Being a Stormtrooper is very stressful, but from what little we know about the Final Order the Sith Troopers should’ve been a step for regular FO troops.
Wow this went on longer than expected, sorry about that.
“Stormtrooper Armor deflects blades.” Ewoks killed them with spears. “Storm trooper armor is fire proof” Mandalorian laughs in flamethrower.
Ewoks stabbed through the gaps in the armor, not through the armor itself
" vibroblades" That's a bold statement
Stormtrooper armor may be fireproof, but everything in it isn't.
@21RAYMOND PEARSON It's probably because I have editor perms and the system's getting confused. It sometimes shows up the other way around when I made comments under the channel name on my end.
For the Mandalorian, I'd wager his flamethrower was hotter then the Stormtroopers armor limits
Stormtrooper: “Rebels! Blast ’em!"
Rebel: “Not so tough in that armor now, are ya?!” Proceeds to blast dead body until he has to reload
@@Lawrence_Talbot I swear this made soo many rebels in that game easy targets whenever you caught them doing that, at least the imperials respect the dead.
@Gabriel I think it was just a glitch in the original 2004 battlefront as the rebels did the same thing back then. But it because it was popular with players I believe it got intentionally put back in the 2005 sequel hence the added dialogue
@@Lawrence_Talbot A glitch? They would also do the same when they leapt on top of Imperial vehicles.
@@Lawrence_Talbot no that wasnt a glitch, it was a game design as rebels were just less like a military and more like well... a rebellion
"Stormtroopers were far more brutal when they aren't fighting plot-armor protected characters"
As someone who has played the OG Battlefront games, I can confirm this to be true. If it weren't for plot armor/the force, the main characters wouldn't have survived to destroy the Death Star.
*Stormtrooper on a killing spree:* Yeah! YEAAAH!!!
"Glad you're on our side!"
@@xxvaltielxx1789
Eeyup.
"Just like the simulations."
I honestly can have that personally extend to several levels of the 2017 Battlefront II game in the main campaing. On Han's part, I died more times than I can keep track of. (Yes I am that bad on that level.)
Plus the quote is extremely true when you take into account the statistics book for Star Wars released a couple years back, which states that the Stormtroopers hit roughly 75% percent of their targets.
@@project4061
It kinda does, though I used the 2005 BF2 as an example because of how deadly Stormtroopers are portrayed as in the campaign.
Wow
@@AngelDust6969
Well, you mean they wouldn't have survived to destroy the *second* Death Star.
In A New Hope it's air-tight. No plot armor involved. Vader and Tarkin ordered the Stormtroopers to let them escape. From ESB and onward, it's highly questionable when main characters survive firefights, and in several cases it's absolutely plot armor, and in Rebels/Mando it's outright undeniable plot armor.
I swear, Stormtroopers were not useless. They annihilated bitches in A New Hope, and they murked the Rebels on Hoth, but from that point on, they've only gotten more and more pathetic.
To the point now where I honestly think that someone could actually make the unironic claim that "Stormtroopers," as a collective entity, have been character assassinated.
The ANH Stormtroopers would have massacred every single protag since in less than 30 seconds of screen time.
Yknow, you’d think that seeing them so much causes their look to desensitize, but when I see a group of good stormtrooper cosplay IRL , I couldn’t be more intimidated.
Even Ewan Mcgregor said in a interview that he felt a bit scared while near Stormtroopers during some scenes in the Kenobi show
Uhhhh ok
As one of those cosplayers I understand why. Firstly, my boots make me stand tall enough to nearly look over everyone, so that may play a part in the intimidation some people feel when seeing us. And no one would ever think to see Star Wars characters in real life, so when they finally see them it's very weird.
i hate to bring back the question of the sequals but why the heck did finn take off his air conditioned armor on jakku?!!!!!!!
What sequels? There were no sequels.
maybe it got damaged to the point of non-functionality during the crash?
@@ColdBloodedCare probably
He ran out of freon. 🤪
Finn was never the smartest tool in the shed.
Yeah, the Mandalorian needs more "redshirt guys" to get killed by Stormtroopers. It is getting a bit annoying and very noticeable how nonthreatening they are. The armor splintering into pieces when hit with physical force is just ridiculous..... Love the show though:b
Yeah everyone loves that Boba scene but his enemies flat out don't fight back. There was a whole firing squad worth on him but he was the only one who pulled a trigger.
Yeah it's been kind of bugging me as well. The problem isn't that they're not getting hit, it's that it doesn't even look like they're trying not to. Like seriously, storm troopers can't hit one person standing out in the open. They don't have to die but at least have the characters use cover.
The only time they have been effective was when boarding Leia’s ship in 4 and overrunning the Rebel positions on Hoth.
Let's not forget the massive pile of Mandalorian helmets at the end of season 1... supposed to be the greatest human warriors in the galaxy...
That wasn't just a normal stick/spear...
The fact that blaster bolts were so dangerous to even the well made armor of clones and stormtroopers is a testament to the efficacy of blasters in general.
Clones were killed by spears.
Also we have seen many people get shot unarmoured and survive, or atleast not die straight away.
Leia, Ahsoka, Jedi Master Di, Gregor, Andor and more.
@am-ranth8955
Your shoulder is not far from your heart.
And that doesn't explain the others in Andor, Clone wars, rebels etc.
Blasters are less accurate, slower, and shorter ranged than modern day guns.
@@the_dropbear4392 plus you can't deflect bullets with a lightsaber if you tried it would melt and hot metal would go in the jedis face
If we made modern armor that covered as much as Stormtrooper armor while being able to stop modern rifles, it would be far too heavy to be practical. If we extrapolate this idea to the Star Wars universe (better materials, but more powerful weapons) you might get similar weight to protection ratios. You could think of beskar as something like AR500 steel which can typically stop many rifle rounds and take repeated impacts in the same spot, while clone and stormtrooper armor would be more like Kevlar, which can usually only stop pistol rounds and will be severely compromised the first time it is hit. However, Kevlar is much lighter and more flexible and easier to wear for long periods of time, which is why most police and security workers choose it over something with more protection and also more weight. Rex takes a sniper bolt to the chest and is seriously injured but survives, most likely because it hit in a place where his larger pauldron covers his chest plate, so there are two layers of armor where the bolt lands. Also, in the Umbara ad inhibitor chip arcs, you can see that Fives has decided to add thicker plates over top of his regular chest and back plates. This might be like adding ceramic plates over a level IIIA Kevlar vest to make it capable of stopping one rifle round in that spot. You'll notice that most Mandalorian armor sets cover less of the body than Stormtrooper armor. (Beskar would still need to be lighter than AR500 though. That shit is heavy.)
well I'd imagine mandolorians have less armor coverage because they'd rather have armor cover areas that would be considered fatal like your chest, head, and neck. This would be a decent idea since they can concentrate more beskar into those armor pieces rather than having less traces of beskar in armor covering most of your body
A Man of Culture I see 😎
Actually a lot of older in universe content stated beskar is actually stronger and more durable than any conventional metal like titanium and steel, but unlike other fictional miracle metals like vibranium it’s actually more dense and comes at a heavy cost of mobility. So in universe it’s like as or heavier than steel given the same volume. The only difference, is a thin piece of beskar maintains integrity better than a thin piece of steel.
Rexs pauldron isn't blaster proof tough.
This is one of my only gripes with the Mandalorian. I hate how the powerful Empire has such a useless army. The "stormtroopers are dumb" trope has been beaten to death.
Well, Antagonists and Protagonists are only as smart as their author
Political extremists usually aren't the brightest lights on the tree.
Blind obedience + Inactive atrophy = incompetence
The fan base is mainly responsible for that trope being done to death.
@@gabrieltejada1697 Not really, episode six really started it (one could argue that even episode five). Star Wars Rebels had it for literally the entirety of the show's existence so no it's not the fans.
Agreed
Problem is, most of the time the armor is not portrayed as it should function. These things should be shown, not dug up out of some obscure book writen way after the media that it portrays. Thats a big problem with a lot of star wars content. Instead of finding an interesting way of showing how something works, they just leave it be until someone explains it in some book that no one but the most hardcore fans will read.
Blame it on the fact that protags in SW are almost always top-of-the-line elite characters with plot armor. they're more often than not, just way too OP in whatever sense for even elite soldiers to do serious, lasting damage on, while they, due to their OP status, get to mow down even said elites time & again. until series with more average protags like Rebels become the norm, shit like this is gonna happen like all the time.
Fun fact: stormtroopers dont have a bad aim but for the sake of the plot they have to miss so they don't kill the main cast
Before the scene:
“Hey, if you hit them the credits roll and we all cease to exist”
Sure buddy that's totally true
That's why their only showing of "good" aim
Is them killing a bunch of rebels who essentially let themselves die
@@some_shitposting_idiot3023 no they actually do its estimated to be 5 times better that a special forces sniper
Stun mode:
@maxwhite8616
No they don't.
They have a higher hit rate than the modern US military in that one engagement. But its completely useless comparison.
Modern military gunfights take place over a large distance and involve lots of suppressing fire against small targets in cover. The rebels were stood in the open and were only a couple of feet away. That's terrible accuracy
Geetsly's: "Stormtrooper armor could completely deflect projectiles"
Ewoks with slingshots: Hold my Yub Nub
I honestly hate how little of a threat storm troopers pose in Star Wars, especially in The Mandalorian. You're telling me these clowns subjugated the entire galaxy? The old expanded Universe comics were alot better at showing how brutal the storm troopers could be.
Same, it shows the Mando taking on dozens of Stormtroopers when in reality he'd probably struggle with 2 or 3
Well this is Disney we are talking about. Same company who made it’s roots saying it’s okay to kiss dead princesses
@@blazed2838 hilarious when he's taking a huge volley of blaster fire in the corridor of the cruiser in season 2 and somehow every shot only lands on the few pieces of beskar on his body and somehow no shots land on his mostly unarmored suit lol
@@Unchainedmaple888 Lol
I like my stormtroopers been useless cannon fodder cause that's what they were made for, yes it is both in cannon and in the EU that their main battle tactic is human wave. It is incredibly dumb to waste resources training someone whose main purpose is to rush the firing line. So EU ST training is bullshit and I am glad it was retconned.
Now that the empire has fallen, they no longer have the man power for human waves tactics, so they screwed themselves over for not caring for the lives of their soldiers.
You could use the Shore Troopers from Rogue 1, lighter armour and they butchered the invading none plot armour rebels.
Whenever Stormtroopers fight someone that doesn’t have plot armor, they destroy them. But once plot armor comes, they’re useless
Heh even obi-wan said stormtroopers were elite and accurate. Stormtrooper armor is protective but your plot armor boys can eat more than one shot while not wearing armor.
We’ve seen stormtroopers gun down your standard grunts but not the main guys.
Stormtroopers are resilient, no hesitation when going into battle and their bravery is remarkable. True imperial soldiers.
Yes mandolorian Show makes it seem like the storm troopers are trash their actually pretty good in battle but since the whole fawkin rebellion has plot armor it makes the stormtroopers seem bad
They’re elite killers when convenient but bumbling idiots every other time. They supposedly killed a shit ton of mandalorian warriors but then a whole squad gets beat by a single one armed with just a stick. They gun down a whole mob of pirates with precision accuracy in seconds, but then can’t hit a guy on the other end of straight hallway.
Many people unfamiliar with plasteel and plastoid forget that in a galaxy where blasters are the most common form of weapon, the best protection will be something that diffuses the energy of the bolts. As seen in Mandalorian, Boba's Gaffi Staff literally shattered trooper armor which reveals how brittle it showing that although it may be an alloy the actual metal content is minimal.
Blaster bolts are dangerous due to their intense heat and electrical charge. Metal conducts electricity and absorbs heat so would make for horrible armour. Imagine that each bolt of blaster fire made your armour get hotter and hotter. You'd literally burn to death given the temperatures produced by blaster bolts. However, consider UHT ceramics as a material. They are dielectric and can insulate against temperatures up to around 2000c. These are also lightweight and brittle but demonstrate exactly the kind of protective qualities needed in a galaxy, far, far away.
The simple fact is that although you see troopers go down in one hit from blaster fire is because they've sustained a massive electrical shock. Something which many people could be revived from if given prompt medical attention.
but what about shrapnel? Or debris thrown around by explosions, or a shock wave. Such a brittle armor wouldn't protect from this threats for a bit. On an actual battlefield artillery is a real killer, and not the hand held weapons.
@@solarissv777 But you're forgetting that it's not just about the force of the impact but the force over an area. Going back to comparing plastoid with modern UHT ceramics; most HHTCs have a hardness between 21-33gPA (Gigapascals). That's just the amount of pressure they can sustain if it's spread equally across it's surface. To put that figure into perspective, if 1kg of TNT produces a 230kPA (Kilopascals) shockwave which doesn't even come close to 1 Gigapascals of pressure. So this would mean that while an impact from a Gaffi Stick or slugthrower projectile can shatter pieces of plasoid or UHTC, that is only because the pressure is applied to a very small area.
@@ranger-rj2ym then why not just put all the armor into breastplate and helmet? Make them properly withstand blaster bolts (at least torso hits). As for extremities, blaster bolts do not cause bleeding, and prostatics are well developed in SW universe, so some minor shrapnel protection and a good first aid kit, should be enough.
P.S. As for metal armor being horrible against blasters: literally, the only armor, that actually works on screen (that mandalorians are wearing) is made of metal.
"Beskar"
@@solarissv777 Aye, I stated that a plasteel plastoid composite would be good idea. It would be up to y'all in where it goes on the body.
With what you just stated being a completely logical and good idea.
The armor’s coarse, rough, and irritating.
And it gets everywhere.
But it actually protected stormtroopers from harsh environments including sand which probably made a certain someone jealous because that person REALLY hates sand 😆
And it gets everywhere
everyone always talks about Vader, Maul, and Luke's hallway scenes but no one ever talks about the Stormtroopers' hallway scene.
One thing that will always bother me is the movement of these "elite" troopers, slightly crouching, continued exposure, just something about their tactics seem so off.
In the Mandalorian episode they infiltrate that imperial factory disguised as drivers, the stormtroopers and imperials just stood there until they were shot, no taking cover or actually moving
They are more like S.W.A.T than some army unit so maybe it can make sense now
its more easy for the main caracter to shot immobile target...
@@neverloseyuorrobux166 swat is more elite than ST's
My guess is when filming they didn't have any military or police advisors, so the stormtroopers don't have that sense of realism.
Stormtroopers: "Hah, soace kare-bears, pfft"
*Rocks are thrown*
Stormtroopers: *dies after a rock impact*
probably concussed
Because they were like
"Wait isn't Stormtrooper armor strong?"
"Well yeah, but how else are we gonna beat them if all Din has is a pistol?"
"Oh yeah.."
"Escalation, we carry semiautos, they buy fullautos, we use body armour, they buy armour piercing rounds."
Watch EC Henry video on their accuracy. In the Tantive IV scene the stormtroopers get 15 kills with 94 shots, while the rebels get 3 kills with 63 shots. That's awesome accuracy in a combat scenario by irl combat standards. Additionally, they wouldn't have wanted to kill the heroes on the Deathstar because they wanted them to escape and lead them to the Yavin. Similar situation on Bespin, in which the heroes used cover and a smoke screen to screw their hit ratio. On Hoth they carved through any rebel infantry like a knife through butter, only failing to get the heroes when the Falcon's turret suppressed them. On Endor we have no clue what their shot to hit ratio was as it's too chaotic. But Ewoks blend into the forrest well,and are small mobile targets. Their armor protected them from ewoks, but the ewoks managed to distract while the rebels, who were commandos, were picking them off.
We all have to rememver: the empire won most of their battles, be it off screen. Most of the battle were skrimishes with small rebel cells, that the empire easily won. So after every battle the wounded stormtroopers (even though they got shot) could easily be retrieved and, cared for and were ready to fight in basicly no time. To heal a wounded trooper is (even for the empire) less expensive and faster. The big battles were all the storm troopers die were really really uncommon and happened mostly on onscreen against plotarmor heroes.
Also a singular armor set for a storm trooper isnt expensive but to fully arm the whole storm trooper coprs would be too expensive, even for the empire.
You have to be mixing legends and Canon in this video. Because the only way that Stormtroopers armor is possibly vibro blade and shrapnel proof is if you're talking legends. We saw that armor shattered by the forgers hammer, tusken Gaderffii (which is literally made from scrap metal), and random native alien spear sticks. Even Ewok arrows could puncture the armor. Yes they provide environmental protection, comms and some resistance to blasters and minor shrapnel, but besides that its not doing much else. As far as Canon goes. It performs much better in legends.
To be fair though, certain armor that exists today has a limited lifetime. You should be swapping the plates out of your bullet proof vest every 3-5 years. Who's to say that Stormtrooper plastoid doesn't become less effective as it ages as well?
That could be part of the reason why First Order armor was noticeably different instead of using reserve armor from the Galactic Civil War.
@@KMCA779 this is possible stormtrooper armor might get weaker as it ages, but I dont think thats the case here. In the 1st season we actually see stormtroopers with old dirty armor. If u told me their armor was compromised with age I'd believe it. That being said the stormtroopers that had their faces kicked in (and notably the helmet that he states to be strong) had pure white straight out the box armor. They also had new TIEs, Dark troopers phase 3, and had multiple starships and research labs/bases. Their equipment wasn't dated, and there's no reason to believe they had compromised armor.
Being vibroblade and shrapnel proof doesn't mean it protects against blunt weapons though, that's literally the way to counter armor in our world since forever, blunt weapons. Their armor is designed to distribute the energy, meaning the blaster and most likely the vibroblade, it doesn't distribute blunt weapons, so it makes perfect sense.
The reason war hammers where a thing, was because a sword might not go through a knight’s armor, but a hammer with a spike has the potential to pen their armor, or alternatively, could be used to give the person wearing armor a concussion, or break bones through their armor. Doesn’t matter what your armor is made of if it isn’t designed to stop blunt impact, which I’m pretty sure is only truly possible with some sort of powered exoskeleton.
Regardless, the armor doesn't provide much protection at all to blunt force trauma. And if a pole with a spike on the end can shatter it i highly doubt a bullet would have much difficulty let alone a vibroblade. If its an armor piercing round i have full confidence it would go right through.
Love The Mandalorian, but I'm getting a little tired of how much of a joke the Stormtroopers are. There's absolutely zero suspense when the main characters fight them. It's only when special forces like Dark Troopers or Flame Troopers show up that there feels like there might be some kind of stake.
Even then, the incinerator troopers gets rekt by the Baby and Luke conveniently shows up perfect timing to save the whole crew. Garbage writing
Disney turned the armor from a formidable defense to a laughingstock
Edit: look at the fight on the Tantive lV
Rebels with the same pistol as Din Djarin couldn’t do much but Disney made the armor shit.
If this is true then why can’t I run thru flames in battlefront as these guys
Magic fire
When it comes to games they make it fair LOL.
Armor might be fireproof, everything under it isn't, and the armor has gaps everywhere.
@@Agherosh so, its not like the well be fighting people with fire base weapons
Idk I can’t be the only one who actually gets sad when a random stormtrooper gets absolutely dominated by Mando, Especially in Chapter 15
I hate it when they die in general but yeah when mando fks them up it makes me really sad
My issue with that really comes into play with the stunt that Cara and company pulled at the end of season two. Gideon was prepared, he was planning 3 steps ahead of them, they knew they were boarded and some how they still “got the drop” on them.
The one thing I’m glad they at least tried/ started to do more is shed the Empire in a better light. Showing that they’re just normal people and care about making the galaxy better.
You're not alone.
finally someone who gets it.
We need an alternate universe within Star Wars where all the villains are heroes but all the heroes are villains, that way stormtroopers would actually be winning lots of fights and the rebel alliance would be on the receiving end this time around.
I agree with this vid. I just wish more people who actually make Star Wars would take this into consideration. Maybe show an occasional glancing hit bounce off the armor. The worst thing though that I can't forgive them is all the times we see storm troopers taken down with just punching or light unpowered melee weapons. Like, seriously!? Try knocking out someone in a motorcycle helmet with your bare fist. Now try and tell me you can do that to someone in a high tech military helmet.
"It blocks bullets and shrapnel without even a scratch."
-Characters from Rogue One proceed to kill stormtroopers with goddammit batons and staves-
"The helmet could be expected to stop all dangers but the most direct blaster bolts and focused energy weapons-
-Boba Fett proceeds to smash their helmets to bits with a gaderfii stick-
I know you're trying, but there are certain cinematic fuckups you can't fix, man.
Any sci fi armor should be able to defeat blunt melee weapons, change my mind
No armor can defeat donnie yen armed.
@@joelnord4699 sci fi armor needs to defeat sci fi weapons. Blunt weapons are unusual to encounter when everyone has blasters.
I am just saying, kevlar won’t protect from knives because the best defense against someone with a knife is a gun.
I don’t disagree with you just posing the viewpoint. Personally I think vacuum proof is most important in space, which storm trooper armor is.
@@puttputt524 Fictional armor needs to be practical against common in-universe weapons used in common ways. A stick is a very common weapon in SW - a failed blaster is a fine example of one. The episode of The Mandalorian (s2e7) where Din Djarin wears the plastoid armor has a nice example of that logic used - the blaster jams (for the first time in SW), he throws it at the rebels, then later gets hit with a club twice, which both times shatters the pauldron but only bruises his arm and his confidence. That's very consistent with the armor being issued to vehicle crews - ample protection to head, neck and upper body for peeking out of a hatch or escaping a damaged vehicle, but not designed for repeated hits. Stormtrooper armor should be less bulky for ease of movement (check), cover lower torso and limbs (check), while protecting against lower-powered blaster bolts (check) and battlefield debris impacts (check). The only other time we've seen plastoid armor shatter was in the previous episode, where stormtroopers get hit with various blunt weapons (yes, a piece of metal armor or the side of a blaster definitely count) and only the very special armor-piercing stick penetrates the armor.
@Epik Hell Sword
Boba Fett was an "unaltered clone." They directly specify this in Attack of the Clones. So he was literally just an average person.
Also, it's a *stick.* If the batons and staves in Rogue One couldn't break the armor, then Boba's *stick* can't do it either.
In fact, K2-SO didn't even shatter the armor when his metal hands were bashing Stormtroopers around...
Chiruut "I'm one with the force and the force is with me",Death trooper "we can only hit running targets sir"
Plot armor til it ran out
Stormtrooper armor: protects against all but the highest power blasters and Lightsabers
Ewoks: Laughs in stone age
Boba fett literally killed like a whole platoon with a stick lmao
The fight scenes are so shitty. The stormtroopers just stand there watching their comrade get smashed to death, waiting to be killed, or miss point blank shots to the point it’s not remotely believable. The troopers could at least try, but Disney’s writers say no
To be honest before this video I loved the stormtrooper Corp now I love them more
"It cushions storm troopers against impacts"
(Endor Flashbacks)
I would absolutely love to see a series out of the POV of an elite Stormtrooper corps.
I’m sick of people trashing on Stormtroopers, just because they fight Jedi and Mandalorians all the time. There is so much potential left untouched imo.
You could, for example, show their Training by an *actually competent* imperial instructor (someone like Thrawn).
Then show them taking down a criminal syndicate or a seperatist outpost. I just want them to accomplish shit tbh. Make Stormtroopers efficient again!
All that protection, and the Ewoks massacred the Emperor's finest legions, yeah their pretty much useless against the real badasses of Endor....
They still didn’t have the most effective armor in the galaxy, plot armor, that’s why they were mowed down in droves.
"The armor is good" boba with a big stick 😂
So cheap that a teddy bear could throw a rock at their head and it’s an instakill
Those were clearly magic rocks.
Big rock
@@geetslys Plot Rocks.
Apparently said Teddy Bears are far stronger then a fully-grown Human by comparison. So they're throwing a lot of strength behind those rock tosses.
So in the scene that you showed us judging by military standards the rebels should've be able to hold this choke point for a really long time but instead the rebels were over whelmed and although the stormtroopers were coming one by one the smoke from the explosion blinded the rebels and it also didn't help the fact that it seemed like there were infinite stormtroopers
I think their armor is so utterly useless because the production has to be millions and as cheap as possible therefore quality immensely decreases with quantity
Not so much that as by then theres a large market for weapons that could breach most armor, shit the clone commando rifle could kill tanks on full power and Mandalorian weapons were known for their stopping power. You can only engineer armor so much and still be able to produce it in any numbers.
@@banebeard I feel that offensively technology always advances much faster then defensive technology
@@banebeard you forgot that the [Empire] is on full economical schism and cuts budgets as often and as much as possible therefore degredated quality should be expected
Well stormtroopers were meant to be expendable.
@@geetslys Not to me
Rex, “This garbage is nothing like clone armor.”
It probably wasn't exactly his size, and to the helmets only being usable by their owners, he likely couldn't see anything. Lore-wise, Stormtrooper helmets are supposed to display information on top of acting as a proper helmet.
Sooooo...yeah.
Rex was fat and old at the age of enpire
Empire*
@@stormtrooperanimations3241 Old doesn't = fat, Rex was always in peak condition even into old age, clones don't know how to be lazy.
When you're used to wearing armour that literally fits you perfectly, all other armour would seem subpar.
Can we talk about how in Rebels every storm trooper is one shot but Ezra gets shot point blank in the stomach and hardly even flinches?
And they were constantly knocking out troopers with their bare hands. So the helmets don’t do anything either.
@@patrickstewart3446 Right. Tiny ass skinny ass Sabine over here knocking heads together like nothing. I could kind of understand Zeb, he's basically a hairless wookie and has some muscle to do some damage, but even then
Cause Rebels is such a terrible show in dealing with Stormtroopers. A bunch of wimpy teenagers beating the shit out of grown military trained men covered in armor without a sweat. It’s such garbage
@@Larry-Lobster yeah ngl
I don't like Rebels
We have special camera in our helmet it just need a special secret code to be entered thats why when someone not an stormtrooper can't see through it and its include an HUD system
“Unit of elite soldiers”, yeah right.
The Stormtroopers being the Empire's elite troops always seemed really off to me, why would your best soldiers be used to garrison a backwater world like Tattooine?
Tatooine isn't actually a backwater.
It was a strategically significant hyperspace crossroad.
Secondly, originally, we only saw stormtroopers on Tatooine in Episode 4 when they were searching for the droids as part of Vader's legion.
However, Disney did sort of retcon that.
Storm troopers: can shoot and kill freedom fighters, and rebel shoulders with ease
Also storm troopers: can't shoot a random farm boy from tatooine
They're a laughing stock among non-invested 'fans'. Anyone worth their salt in the EU knows Stormtrooper armor could be much worse.
Also, the Disney Troopers thrown in really annoys me
3:09
id love to believe that, but we have seen people take out stormtroopers with blunt melee weapons TWICE, the armorer from the mandalorian smashed their armor to pieces, and the jedi knock off from rogue one knocked them out with a fricking stick...
Originally (way back when A New Hope was all of Star Wars) Storm Trooper armor was made of polished Impervium that would deflect an indirect shot, but was little protection from a direct hit.
Yeah I understand. The stormtroopers of the Empire were meant to be more of a symbol of the Empires size and Strength.
Its sad that they portrayed the stormtrooper or the empire as a whole, as a joke. Remembering Star Was Rebels, Filloni really seems to dislike the empire as a whole.
I've always skipped action scenes with them in The Mandalorian, there's no point in wasting time.
hahah based i do too its too kiddish
3:30 We see Stormtrooper Armor getting pierced by these very things in Mando lol.
9:38
You are forgetting Vader was probably waiting right behind them with a notebook writing down who was going to get Forced Choked later.
As much as I love the expanded lore, I dont really enjoy the fact that Stormtroopers aren't the normal soldier of the Imperial Army
Yeah it is a bit stupid considering how easy it seems to be to kill them
@@kostakatsoulis2922 that and they appear literally everywhere. Not to mention they are essentially the posters of the Imperial Army
@@indigostudios7851 us marines are but only lose 10 percent of recruits unlike the green berets who lose 80 percent both are elite in their own way
@@indigostudios7851 yeah it's kind of ridiculous
It’s because we only seen important places in which stormtroopers are deployed.
And if there’s in the posters, it’s simply because they are an iconic symbol of the Empire military
Why do people continually feel the need to answer this question? It has one answer. The characters will always have plot armor
Tbh I thought the video was good I learned some stuff about the armor and helmet
the main characters are the exception, not the rule.
They didn't have plot armor in A New Hope.
Why is it so hard to just keep making well-written movies like that?
@@danielkorladis7869 When almost everyone the stormtroopers fight are main characters, it is the rule.
@@Larry-Lobster I mean we're not watching the story of some random rebel who gets merked by the 501st on Hoth, are we? Despite such people far outnumbering the heroes that are the main characters of the story. For every Luke Skywalker or Leia Organa or Han Solo, there's hundreds of regular rebel soldiers for whom stormtroopers are pretty challenging.
While I love the Mandalorian, I hate how stormtroopers got ran over in the show, mostly to show how “badass” other characters are
4:08 Would that mean that some/most of the stormtroopers we see getting hit during multiple movies and series actually didn't die but were just badly injured or perhaps in some sort of coma or shock?
You sorta hinted at this, but ST armor was mainly for occupation of worlds and people throwing rocks instead of total war. During the Battle of Endor, while yes...getting hit with a big rock did hurt, ST almost always got back up. Now drop that same rock on an average rebel, they will go splat
The Stormtroopers are a cut above the regular Imperial infantry? Hahaha God, how bad must those guys be
The strongest armor is PLOTT ARMOR, and that's what all of the heroes in star wars are wearing.
I compare stormtrooper armor to the titanic. Strong, but brittle. Remember, it's still like plastic; not durasteel. Every material has a breaking threshold. Cross that threshold, and it will not protect you. Diamonds can be cut, beskar can be melted. No metal or element is completely impervious to an outside force
No element is impervious except plot armor...
@@JamieR2077 RIP: Han Solo, Luke Skywalker, Leiah Organna, ect. Ect. Ect...
For a little while now I've had this headcannon that many of the stormtroopers we see fall to blasterfire and such didnt actually die but were just knocked out due to the force of whatever was hitting them. Its common to hear screams from stormtroopers that fell off of cliffs or whatnot after being shot, implying they were still alive after being hit.
Especially seeing a storm tropper get knocked over by a single shot from an average blaster just makes me think they aren't dead, just knocked down for now. Which is often all the main characters needed. But idk
My favorite part of your channel is the intro, and that's rare. Battlefront 1 is one of my favorite games
"Stormtrooper Armor can help the wearer survive many things like weak blaster bolts"
Stormtrooper in Star Wars Rebels: *Dies by being BUMPED by a speeder*
The show is such garbage in their portrayal of stormtroopers
I want star wars movies without plot armor. More realistic scenes. They don't have to be unified singular stories
How strong is Boba Fett? Like he literally broke stormtrooper armor with a metal pointy stick lol.
Also, forging good beskar armour and equipment was a mandalorian secret, so imperial beskar armour wouldn't be that good.
Something that gets glossed over in movie and tv shows, but would be Very Important for people thinking longer term, is how many wounded soldiers survived otherwise lethal shots because of the armor.
Yeah, they fell down, but however many days later, they're back on the field.
So it's basically like our modern day body armor. Meant to deflect/absorb indirect hits from shrapnel and bullets, but direct hits are only gonna slow to blast/bullet
Is this a nod to false swipe gaming “how GOOD was this Pokémon actually”? If so I’m a fan of that channel too
I might be wrong, but I think the body gloves used by the stormtroopers also offered some protection against blaster bolts. They spread out the otherwise highly concentrated energy over the whole body, preventing serious injuries in one spot.
As a result, many stormtroopers, whose armour was pierced, became unconcious instead of dying and could later be checked upon by medics when the battle was over.
It's mainly like having kevlar, it isn't bullet proof but has a small chance to save ur life, also the armor is more for the environment and helps the trooper focus more on the battle
When it comes to Imperial Stormtrooper Armour, I’m always confused by the knee design
First Order Stormtrooper Armour looked pretty decent but the helmet looks stupid, even more so than the Imperial Helmet
But as always, “this garbage is nothing like Clone Armour”
One of the knees has a plate for kneeling on for optimal firing positions and the other has a socket for spare power cells IIRC
@@GeneralGrievous-1138 hate to be the kind of stormtrooper who kneels with the other leg
@@ryanmann1416 All stormtrooper kneels on the same leg because of their training
@@davidgoodenough6450 well that sucks if you're kneeling and looking around cover on the other side. One side you're good but the other and more of your body is exposed. It's just body mechanics you're not always gonna kneel on one knee.
That doesn't change the fact that 20 of them cannot hit an unarmored woman standing out in the open in the middle of a hallway with a chaingun.
Now, imagine this scenario in real life. 20 marines Vs 4 whatever in a cramped up hallway.
Where is Stormtrooper training? Their battle drills, tactical movements, stable shooting platforms? Even in Yavin 4, they simply flood inside the room left and right, flagging each other with weapons and hip-firing while bunny hopping like untrained idiots that they are.
Where is the tactical cover to cover movement? Move&duck. Breach & entry drills. Room to room clearing. Covering the corners? Pulling security on doors? Hand grenades? Flashbangs?
Thats just idiotic. Even ISIS terrorists fight better than them.
Well their scopes are probably linked to their helmets so that would explain the hipfire. And in The Mandolorian when the Death Trooper put the grenade on the door they did seem to secure the surroundings and the door. And also, Lucas was anti-military and come on, that movie was from the fucking 80's.
I still prefer clone arc trooper armor but my character has a coat of beskar on the armor
I love the “storm troopers can’t shoot” meme when the first fucking thing we see them do is push through A CHOKE POINT WITH ENTRENCHED ENEMIES
I will give Rouge One some credit as it’s the only major release where during the battle of Skarif they show the Empire with some (albeit very little) basic military tactics like using detonators rather than blindly charging in like the shore trooper tossing one into the ship and the death trooper tossing one but the stupidly standing up from his cover. Using cover like the crates and proning behind sand dunes/ foxholes. Stabilizing their weapons by resting them on their cover or actually shouldering them. Sad to see that rarely happens in Star Wars. It’s cool to see tactics over just some over powered stuff because it makes them feel more human, they want to stay alive and know charging is going to get them killed but also let down their comrades leading to defeat of the whole battle.
"Empire have Darth Vader for Jedi and Star Destroyer Turbo Lasers for Mando's"
I can't tell which is more overkill
When it comes to warfare, there is no such thing as overkill.
There is only "open fire" and "cover me while i reload".
I believe their helmet was a big factor in bad accuracy😂
I'm pretty sure that their helmet has a smart link that connects to their gun. I'm also pretty sure that stormtrooper aim is a myth.
@@flawless_Cowboy yeah I heard in the books they’re more devastating with their aim than the movies show.
@@FrameRated honestly, what started the whole stormtrooper aim thing is some idiots not paying enough attention to what was happening on screen. It all stims from the escape from the first death star. I mean what is the point in killing the people whose ship you just put a tracking device on right?
@Levios Draekion yeah people often overlook who they stormed over Hoth or killed of a fair amount of rebels and Ewoks before the tide of battle turned
@@leviosdraekion6993 your forgeting that in that same scene either luke or han(i dont remember who) said that they can barely see out of the helmet when they got to the prison.
The empire did not own the whole galaxy. Hutt Space, Chiss Ascendancy, Seppie Holdouts, Hapans, CSA and much more!
Storm trooper armor fails to protect against: blaster pistols (a new hope), falling rocks, flint tipped arrows shot from short bows (return of the Jedi), a wooden staff (Rogue one), punches, being thrown, thrown blunt objects, stun blasts, various explosives (rebels), fire, hammers, and gaffi sticks (mandelorian)
The only things the armor is shown directly protecting against is Ezra’s energy slingshot and limited protection from vacuum of space.
7:52: When you kill an enemy, and the 'same guy' takes his place, it makes them somehow look like immortal, just like the Immortals in 300.
I’m just confused why Boba Fett and Chirut Imwe were able to literally smash through the armor with sticks
I have some theories on that. In Boba’s case he is a seasoned veteran in kicking ass, a non modified Fett clone and training in mandalorian combat. His Gaderffii stick is brutally heavy (5kg or over 11 pounds) and with the combination of his strength and the momentum created by swinging it means bad things for whatever it comes into contact with. Not to mention the actor himself is trained in martial arts.
The second part is Chirut, he (as depicted in the movie) was force sensitive. This means that strength and reactions would be much better than a normal person. Not to mention the staff he carries looks to be based on a bo staff and if you are familiar with the applications and uses of the bo staff then you know that if used correctly it can be devastating. If you don’t believe me look for videos of martial artists using the bo staff, it’s actually pretty interesting.