Canon EOS R5 and EOS R6: First Impressions
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- 12 years after the industry-changing release of the 5D Mk2, Canon once again makes a huge leap with the EOS R5 & R6 mirrorless cameras. Canon gave us a few hours to do our worst with them, and that we did.
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I have watched every review video online about this camera. Including some of the top RUclipsrs. This is the best review video yet. You deserve 10x the amount of views. Thanks dog
Talbot! Thank you so so very much! I super appreciate it! Always frustrating to have to put out rushed videos. Glad that it worked on some level. 🙏🏼
“I can’t find anything wrong with the R5 ...” then “It overheated preventing further testing.” Could you elaborate on this???
I can't find anything wrong with the design of the camera. I'm not referring to performance.
Do a search for "Canon R 5 leaked manual overheating" on Google. It seems when you shoot 8K, 4K 60 and 4K 120 the camera heats up quickly. Once it reaches a certain temperature it will shut down to prevent damage to the camera. Under ideal conditions (23 degrees C) this is around 20 to 30 minutes. If the exterior temperature is higher then 23 degrees C the recording time will obviously be shorter.
This only applies to the R 5. The R 6 doesn't seem to have this baked into firmware.
Someone who actually can talk to a real canon rep or engineer should tell them that the control ring would have like a million times more use if you could use it to do micro manual focus adjustments that automatically engage peaking and zoom the liveview in while you're turning the ring.
Rolling shutter is inevitable at this price point. These cameras are basically mass market (relatively) cheap. My issue (and I'm sorry to obsess about this)is over-heating.
Reminds me of the new land-rover defender. Brilliant 4X4, but it has air suspension. Meaning: when the air suspension fails (and all things fail) the car fails 100%.
TY for the ibis tests, you seem to be one of the first to do one this in depth. Did you get a chance to test the rolling shutter at all?
Hi Jake, it was on my mind to do, but had to be dropped because of time. Thanks for the great comment though. IBIS is never a complete saviour - there is almost always some herky-jerkiness to it; but considering that every shot of this camera (except when we tell you it's a gimbal) was hand held - I'd say that the IBIS is pretty amazing and does a lot to hedge against a lot of the rolling shutter.
Holy shit I was there when you guys were filming that yesterday morning. Had no clue you were using the R5
Cool! Yeah, that's kind of the point. Y'know NDA and all. Canon HQ was even a bit reticent about us going to such a public place.
would you like some sensor dust with your review?
No thanks, have lots already.
@@vistek I've been there before bother, you have my sympathy. I'd much rather see a review like this than a guy sitting in a room shouting at a camera
About the professional R5. Overheating problems. No unlimited 4K recording. No 4K Raw. HDMI? Canon should address these issues before releasing. Besides that it is a great camera.
You want 4k raw at 2x crop? That's the only way it can be done fiy.
Soooo.... you didn’t test the one feature that this whole camera is hyped around? Because... it overheated? Seriously, that’s not the FIRST thing you’d have tested? I’m just going to assume Canon had a clause in its contract about not sharing the results of 8K tests before launch and save you the trouble of claiming that you tried to test the most hyped feature last... like a true professional? Not trying to be cruel, but come on. The only other rational explanation is that you knew that it’d brick the camera, wasting what limited time you had with it. And let’s not “pre-production firmware” too hard, firmware can’t vent heat out of a sealed camera body.
Suspect the R5 is a great B roll camera. Great for image/creative, not so great for long duration interviews etc. Most image shots are no longer than 10 seconds. Who seriously needs to shoot 20 mins@120FPS 4k? The truth is no camera at this price point is going to give you everything. If you want something for documentary/weddings, buy something else! Otherwise, 8K nonsense (and low light performance?) aside, for image and beauty, the R5 is probably AMAZING
EF Lensenes stabilisation will not work on this camera with an adapter ?
Yes they will.
@@vistek Thank you
All-i missing in eos r6. I was in Canon Europe livestream during their q/a session they mentioned that depending on user feedback they will add all-i in eos r6 future update so everyone please tell Canon to add all-i in future update .
Hmmm. I live in the Philippines where it is 30 degrees plus during the day all year round. I currently don’t have much issues with overheating w my Sony a7sii and my a6300 (surprising even to me), but if the r5 can’t even handle 30 degree plus heat.... what!????? Kinda disappointing.
2:03 Coffee spit take from a 5D Mark IV owner. Which lenses were used? Are these RAW images w/o correction?
All JPG. RAW is never available with pre-production cameras (no software support). So I shot all cameras JPG with same basic settings (though it's clear there was something messed up about the 5D image).
3:22 is the camera overheating?
Very much so. It was >32º celsius and we were running the camera non-stop in the heat for two straight hours. This started to happen about an hour and a half in. The camera still ran for a while, but at about the 2hr mark it started to need some cool down before it would operate.
Several reports of this
Vistek | Your Visual Imaging Experts Thanks for the feedback! I can live with that
@@vistek did there seem to be any difference in r5 and r6 overheating time? I figured given the smaller sensor the r6 might hold out longer, since it should have a little less work to do? (from my best guess)
Brett Rohlfing I’d love to hear the answer to this q
The claim that R5 is "nearly as powerful as 1Dx" is interesting and should be the main focus here. But it should NOT be measured in frame rate. Many mirrorless cameras have been shooting away 12+ fps. Can it actually maintain critical focus?
Vistek dude says his lens is dirty in the video. Half the comments are "Dan clean yo sensor!" LMAO
Im sure thats the lens. There is no way in hell a sensor could be that dirty@ haha
If the R6 gets All-I that’d be huge. But that comparison of 4K quality looked really bad...great video and thanks for the rush job!
Has the dynamic range been improve?
Federico Quinones would love to know as well!
Thats what im waiting on if not im staying with nikon
According to DPReview, the R5 has +1 stop of dynamic range compared to the EOS R and 5DM4.
questions for the R6:
1- did it handle the heat?
2- does the AF work on 120 fps?
Great first impressions vid. Made my pre-order of the R5 and can't wait to have it in my hands! Shoutout to Anthony & the Vistek crew for always holding it down!
Thanks Giancarlo!
That triple stabilization is impressive. And great u mentioned that lpe6nh is backward compatible as i have tons of lpe6
The R5 overheated?! RutRo.
Thanks for this review! Hope you'll have a chance to do a more detailed on review on the video capabilities and quality, of R5 and R6. Thanks!
Thanks PE. To be fair - it was insanely hot out and we were going all guns blazing for two hours straight. I spoke with Canon again this morning and I said I would like to sort out the resolution and DR stuff whenever I can get the camera back. Likely in a month or two. TBD!
@@vistek Look forward to a re-test with the resolution , DR & especially the overheating in your next hands on :)
@@vistek the OVERHEATING issue is what Canon needs to sort out! And even worse is having to wait like 10-20 minutes just to be able to record again for only about 3 minutes! You said in the video that you couldn't find anything to complain about - this overheating IS SOMETHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT! You even said that you never got to use 8K because it overheated. And then it never turned back on to be able to record??? This is CRAP!
To be fair, it's pretty easy to overheat it:
ruclips.net/video/E-g800lZMPo/видео.html
@@iwaswithyourmom9410 it's not "crap", but it does suggest consumer market rather than professional.
The best review so far. Detail and real samples.
Thank you Presise! Very appreciated comment!
30 minute record limit in 2020 is disappointing.
I agree, but it has to do with them still honouring the laws in some of their major markets. The weak link, so we all pay the price for access to those markets. Hopefully when/if things change, maybe their firmware will open this up.
@4:27 - the r6 was front focused like crazy. No way thats an accurate comparison.
Hi TFP - The focus on the R6 was racking/hunting; so this is why I did still frame grabs. I used the still from the point where the image on the R6 is sharpest. Of course it's not accurate! I got ONE shot with each of these cameras. No 2nd take, no changing settings, no analyzing footage. You get what you get, my friend. In no way am I extolling this review to be accurate of the either camera's ability. Just a first look.
@@vistek ok buddy
3:35
I like that right after talking about the amazing head tracking feature, the next shot you show us is out of focus and focused on the tree behind. :p
What camera do you think that was shot on? Do you think that was the R5 or 6? Why would I shoot my b-roll on the same camera I'm testing? That was shot on the 5D MK4 while on a gimbal, and we were moving incredibly fast.
Facts to consider before we lose our minds:
1) How long are you guys really planning to record 8k ...keeping in mind...
1tb CFexpress = 789.00 = 51 minutes of footage
512 CF express = 500.00 = approx 20 minutes
256 CF express = 319.99 = approx 10 minutes
Say that to say ... cards aren’t cheap...the average consumer will most likely run out of storage before the camera overheats in 8k
2) 4K 120 overheats .... are we shooting interviews in 4K 120? I figured that extra slow motion would be used a few seconds at a time. No?
3) 4K overheating in general...correct me if I’m wrong...the camera has two 4K modes..one downsamples from the 8k and a “normal” 4K mode...my understanding is the normal 4K modes don’t have the overheating problems.
3) These are all preproduction units...can we at least let the final version get out there?
4) Keep in mind that the EOS R was supposedly dead on arrival by many youtubers...a few firmware updates later...same youtubers posting “switching to EOS R” videos.
5 all this talk about overheating is good and bad. Good to an extent because Canon must have seen the reaction by now and are hopefully putting things in place(where possible). Bad cause every review after July 30th will be a glorified “will it overheat” test. 😔
6 Innovation usually comes at a price. Canon seems to be in a bad position. They relax for a few years...people are mad canon isn’t doing anything. They push the boundaries of what’s possible in a form factor and people are still mad. Catch 22?
I'd agree. The 8K feature is a headline number. You'll probably get a few film shoots using them as a B-roll camera that might get destroyed. Cheaper then putting a Red in that place.
Interestingly I have seen a couple of German review sites that suggest when you look at real world shooting the R6 actually makes a lot more sense.
1 - aboustley correct people shop invest in a NAD, NVME storage for editing that 8K if they want to grade it and edit with multi track as well, New GPU + possibly faster laptops
2 - not everyone shoot interview, some shoot weddings, live events where they benefit from the high frame rates and you have sports and other sectors and this is not just for a few seconds but minutes.
3 - 4K shouldn't overheat in general that is a fundamental problem this is not 2016 when we had camera like A7s II.
4 - Well i agree but taking a youtubes opinion is stupid most times a lot of them are not better than you are. and some don't know what they are talking about so that to be expected. firmware can't fix a design or engineering flaw.
5 firmware can fix some issues but not engineering flawless like the overheating and i know canon said this is pre production unit. I will like to educate does that think that the final unit will be different, the answer is simply nope.
- reason is for each product in a company design cycle development stage is the longest in design and manufacturing, it goes in this order usually.
Brief > case study > research > Design process - this take time if it a new product that is completely difference from your existing line ( in this case there is already such a line the EOs ) > DEVELOPMENT STAGE > refining the design > testing and prototype ( this stage will be monthsss before the launch) and you go on a cycle between development, testing and prototyping.
So if canon was to have sorted the heating solution it would have been done in advance during the testing when they had some pre production unit giving to selected people for reworld testing and they would have worked on the feedback and this is under an extreme tight NDA. the pre production unit youtubers get are the final refined version before launch. a company will only fix major sever flaw that will cause them things like a lawsuit, loss in negative profit because people will not buy. the fact that the heating is know by canon should tell you that sorry that is pretty much it. why spend hundreds of thousands in engineering, testing and changing the production line just because of a heat issue that people can deal and bare with.
6 - people will always complain no matter the innovation, but canon can only blame themselves for this because they allowed there competition to explore mirrorless world well ahead of them and failed to get the user experience that would have kept them in front. canon should have release the first Eos R after the A7sI, just for them to gain the understanding ahead of sony and panasonic.
Also people fail to forget that canon is well aware that they know thermal design constraint will be a big issue, take the 1DX II for example that did 4K 60p and it gets very warm. so why did it take the Eos R5 to remind them again.
Overall the Eos R5 regardless is a brillant camera it will work great for does who know how to make advantage of the situation and the tool they have. I have a A7RIV + A7RIII + 2x A6500 am look for a camera to replace my A6500 for video work. must have 4K 120 that is my requirement and 4K raw or 10bit minimum 6K ideally the S1H would have been perfect but it lacks goo autofocus if not for that i believe that is the true winning camera that and the BMPCC 6K fall into the same situation. for me
So ! To summarise. Do I have to keep my GH5 ?
THAT IS WHAT THOUGH, TOGETHER WITH MY BLACKMPCC 4K
Yes. Still a stunning camera in 2020 that can give you excellent results if you know what you're doing. Don't follow the hype thinking you will be a better filmmaker with these!
DavidHorizonFilms Last night I did watched dozens of videos about new Canon R5 and realised that GH5 still a better camera for videos. Canon overheating and huge files are not for me and my Mac Pro
FrankValchiria Plus Canon is more expensive
Stop being perfectionis
The sensor got very dirty, they should add a feature to warn you about that. Also, the colors of the video look a bit off for my taste. Stabilization is great, yeah and overheating issue is a real bummer combined with the fact you can't record more than 30 minutes of footage. Still room for improvement, and am eager to see the 12bit 8k Raw.
No sensor was dirty. The time you see dust it's because it was a cheap kit lens on my A73 that I happened to use because it has AF (normally I shoot with vintage glass, & no AF). I had no ND (it was being use on the other cameras), so I had to shoot at f32. Even the slightest dust will show up at f32.
The r5, r6 and Mark iv comparsion are very different in sharpness. Possiple is the r6 Filmed in Clog with sharpness-0 Setting and 5d Mark iv with Standard Profile/Sharpness-3 ??
I'm wondering the same. He also must have used different lenses because of the RF/EF mounts and the noticeable vignette in the 5D image. Would love to know more about how these three images were shot because the difference is remarkable.
Wow. Will the overheating be an real issue. Seems to be a lot of reports of it happening. Even if they are on pre production models
Nice quick video. Question. It seems so far you're the only one who shows actual footage made with the R5 and R6. Other youtubers were not allowed. Is there a reason for this? Thanks!
I just think it was time. Honestly, I didn't have the time to shoot video either, but chose to anyways because video is important to me. Most RUclipsrs were smart and didn't try to be overly-ambitious like me. Haha.
@@vistek Ah I see! Yes we're all eagerly waiting to see how well the cameras actually perform. Thanks to you we now have an idea :) Thanks once again!
The best review so far.
Thanks you BB!
Agreed
Great review in the limited time you had available with these units. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you TLT! 🙏🏼
Finally a comparison on video posted on YT (Or at least in words against the 1DX III) which I can't find anywhere else nor others doing it. It's not ONLY about video!. Have used it a bit and it's a workhorse! Shooting for 14 years the 1DX range is my go to. Have the Canon R for filming. Very much looking forward to the image Quality and AF of the R5.
Hi Matt, I'll have a video coming shortly comparing a production version of the R5 to the 1DX Mk3 & 5D MK4. It will be our next video. Look out for it. :)
Hey Vistek, thanks for the video and transparent comments! I have a question. How often were you shooting in 4K HQ (oversampled) mode vs 4K regular with the R5? The whole time, minus high FPS?
Correct. Always 4K HQ unless HFR.
Vistek | Your Visual Imaging Experts -- Gotcha. When it started to overheat a bit after 1hr 30min - 2hr, was that after shooting video for that entire time, or did you shoot stills during that time? Trying to figure out if you gave it time to cool down through photos or pushed it. If you pushed it that whole time in 4k HQ video, sweet!
In the EOS R there was a bit of "blackout" (last image stayed on screen). I found it challenging to shoot action sequences, for example, by the time the viewfinder went live again the subject was out of frame. Has this been improved? Is there an option in the menu for last frame not to show up (especially while using evf)?
Good question. That was exactly my thought. One of the reasons I haven't pre-ordered the R5 and instead will wait till I can see a demo unit in the shop.
Great stuff mate ...quick question does the R6 have AF in 1080 120p mode?
I don't know officially - they never explicitly said. However, it "appeared" to work for me.
was the r5 also overheating when filming in 4K 120fps ?
I can't say what feature caused it. We did everything but shoot 8K. Likely a combination of factors; the extreme temperature of the day being a major factor.
@@vistek People are going to start asking you about OVERHEATING in 8K and even in 4K 30. And then you need to turn it off for 10-20 minutes just to be able to record again for 3 minutes! IT's CRAZY!!!!! Did you experience this?
@@iwaswithyourmom9410 I dont think it overheats in regular 4K30, only the HQ oversampled 4K (the 4KFine setting) after 30 minutes
@@timelapsega It overheats after 30 minutes at 4k30 under normal (~22C) weather. It then takes 10 minutes of cool down to be able to record 10 minutes again.
Guillaume Briand That is ridiculous.
Can't wait for the real reviews of the production model showing the camera spontaneously combusting at around 10 minutes.
Lol
Have seen it confirmed by 3 sources now, that it can only handle 4k 120fps for 7mins before overheating and having to wait 20 mins for it to cool down and use it again. Had it in my cart to preorder but thats a deal breaker for me.
who records 120p that long though. that is that like 28 minutes of slowmo in one take
Ray Valdez Photography agreed!
Yeah, maybe you should just buy a Phantom instead.
@@RayValdezPhotography No one, but it's very easy if you are trying to get multiple broll shots to jump from one thing to the next. Not even accounting for retakes if something didn't look right. Time flys by very quickly in those moments and the heat builds the entire time regardless if it is nonstop or not.
Dan clean your sensor guys
Who's Dan? Maybe that's why my lens was dirty. Because Dan only cleans sensors. DAAAANNNNNN!!!!!
The cameras are brand new. It obviously was the lens, I mean he even put that in the video...
OVERHEATING is the elephant in the room.
I am concerned about that as well. This happened at 30 degrees ... In the last couple of years I have regularly shot in temperatures well above that. It will be interesting to see how the overheating controls are implemented. ie can you still use the camera in photo mode or 1080p mode.
Hello, you showed a photo with comparison between different sensors. Is it true, that using Canon R6 with his 20 Mpx sensor will restrict the high resolution of RF lenses? I read that they are capable of even 100 Mpx. Than it would be better to choose R5 with his 45 Mpx. Of course I will not print big pictures but I thought that maybe after zooming in you will still have much more detail as while using R6?
Please tell me about the video files ? Are they big ? I'm shooting a lot 4K videos on my GH5
You're going to need to do some math here - but a 21 second 4K HQ (8K super sampled) clip came in at 1.37gb.
Vistek | Your Visual Imaging Experts Thank you for your reply. So 1 minute of recording will be around 4GB . Is it better than Canon 1DX Mark III files ? Sorry for asking these questions . I'm not an expert
Vistek | Your Visual Imaging Experts I just did compared to my GH5 4K 8 bit file. Clip 24 seconds is 426 mb
What's all that gunk on both lenses @1:48?
Magic fairy dust. It's all the rage right now. I'm selling presets if you wanna buy.
Great initial review! I have to say though, I’m not really impressed with the video image quality. It might be the RUclips compression, idk. I’m curious to see how it does in low light.
Thank you. Honestly, I would advise to be extremely cautious of the video quality from our video. I couldn't get the video files to render properly with any Adobe program. So I had to convert to an 8bit file in VLC. Basically destroyed the image, and I almost never released the video. This should really only be taken as a sort of novel preview at this point. This camera needs several days of careful testing to reveal the real image quality.
@@vistek That makes sense, it happens with virtually every new camera. Aside from the quality, the shots were amazing though! Keep up the great work
Vistek hence the banding
Thank you!!! This is an AMAZING review
Thank you Gabriel!
@@vistek Anytime bro!!! Keep doing the great work. I pre-ordered mine
First real life preview, the ibis is massive though the 4k resolution is a bit worry some. When I use my A7riv, I can see 4k in crop mode (downsampling from 6k) is noticeable better than the full frame mode but the R5 footage is not very sharp even comparing to 5d4, what is the frame rate you were shooting?
23.98
I wonder: maybe the R6 is the better pro camera. It shoots 60fps@4k, I understand it's better in low light, plus no over-heating? BTW, anyone had experience of overheating with 1DXMK3? I may go for 1DXMK3. Parker Walbeck reckons its a "workhorse" (which is what pros need)
Hot damn clean that sensor son!! Great vid
Sensor was dead clean. It was the lens... as I said in that video. Aperture was at f32. So...
@@vistek F32, what are you filming the sun, son?
The moment you talked about overheating made me seriously worried. I mean with a camera that cost this price, overheating shouldn't be a problem, EVER!
I shot with my 6DMARKII about 1000 shots on a day it was about 30 degrees celcius outside (Yes my body cried afterwards, almost fainted). And my camera didn't overheat.
Yes it's pre-production. But it still makes me worry. Last time I had this was when I filmed with my 80D for 30 minutes, the battery got way to fucking hot for no reason.
All hype, good for frying eggs. That red blinking light is camera is about to catch on fire if you don't cut it off and let it cool for 30 min.
3:47 while I would probably shoot that in manual focus with the exact frame I want pre-focused it would be interesting to find out what camera that was... R5, R6 or 5D Mk 4?
How long does it take to cool down when its overheated and shut down ? Im just thinking of what happens when you`re halfway through recording a wedding when it overheats?
No idea. Sorry.
How does the IPB file format of the R6 handle fast motion in video? Wish it was ALL-I, but not sure if it really needs it. Any insight?
seems like it wont replace cameras that are used for long takes if high res high framerates what you need. The only time i ever film longer than 10 minutes at a time is during wedding ceremonies and interviews. I use the cinema series for those. or for an extended angle. so i dont see too much of the big deal i am more disappointed at the 30 min limit because I dont need 4k60 and above for the things mentioned and it could have been an extra camera for those things exclusively
Your friend on the bike delivers some impressive moves. Wow to R5/R6 a little disappointing for EOS R customers. R6 for me for video - IBIS & DIS --> smooth.
Will auto focus works on R6 when u capturing HD 120 ?
No idea (officially), but it seemed to work for me.
AF works in all modes. ALLLLL MODESSSS!
What the hell happened to the photo you shot on the 5D Mark IV? It was destroyed somehow, images certainly don't look like that. LOL
Great question. No idea. Straight out of camera on same PP settings. Again, it's worth pointing out that when we are forced to do a 2-3 hour review with lots to cover, we can't check anything. We can't check settings, or do repeat tests. It's go-go-go. So you get what you get. I agree that the 5D photo looks terrible.
@@vistek totally get it. As a former 5D Mark IV owner, it was pretty incredible to see the sample...but the Mark IV still had loads of autofocus issues. Hence why I switched to the EOS R. The lack of dual cards was a small price to pay versus missing focus on basically every shoot and having to retake a shot. The R was nailing it. Either way, great work on the video.
a photog on youtube named irene rudlesomething claims the raws are better on the r5 than the r and so are the colors.
Feel like Canon's overheating issue is going to come!!!
For professionals, overheating is a big issue.
Appreciated the presentation of how the camera handles high speed action shots for stills. In the past, for the R, many reviewers mentioned that while the camera LOOKED like it was tracking focus, the shots themselves were often NOT actually in focus. Can you comment on whether the still images you saw in post actually focused sharply as they appeared to in the video?
I think most were acceptably in focus. In many shots I had the shutter speed too low, so Nick's movement was a bit blurred, but you can see from his surroundings within the focal range (so below him, like a railing) it's tack sharp. Which means, it hit him with 90% or greater accuracy. This can probably be improved by isolating a zone. My experience was sometimes it wanted to hit things that weren't near him - especially moments before he became a major subject in the frame.
Thanks for the response! Did you select the initial auto-focus point manually? If not, how does the camera make the selection of the initial focus point for a burst of images? I ask because on my 1DX Mark 1, I always felt like I had to select the auto-focus point manually for the first image and then either follow with that focus point or allow the camera to take over from there (if there was only one subject). But otherwise the “miss rate” on the initial frame was pretty high.
I probably should have done a zone system. But I just left it fully wide with Face tracking. Just to see what it would do. It's often that the marketing buzz is around the full frame of AF points (as is with these cameras). So, why not put it to the test? But honestly, in a real professional setting I would use the zone system at the very least.
I don't get it. All those smart Canon engineers couldn't have designed a cooling fan, like on the S1H, to avoid the overheating? I think I'll wait for the R5 II. thnx man. Marty of Marty Sender RUclips
I just ordered the R6 but did not order the adapter with it because I couldn't decide between the
Canon Mount Adapter EF-EOS R for $99.00 or the one with the control ring for $199.00. Any advice would be welcome. I'll be shooting real-estate and Industrial photography with it--no action photography.
Get the cheap one anyway. If you had a lot of ef lense you need more adaptor anyway
how dual pixel autofocus system works with ef lenses or sigma art series?
this is nice that canon is listening every one now.
And Nice review by the way.
Thank you Ashutosh!
I was going to buy R5 but looking at R6.. if stills is your thing, R6... also, no one really talk about the dynamic range yet.
Hi MNAAR. I don't think any one can comment on it yet. We need these cameras in a proper testing facility to accurate discuss DR.
For stills, Canon rep said it should be 1 stop more DR than EOS R. So it would be close to sony. 12 stops DR in non-raw with CLOG, possibly more with RAW when converted to CLOG 2 in Resolve (it does it auto)
Is it possible to copy your camera's settings to a Card like on all the EOS 1 series,? If you think about it this is important and nobody ever gives this info, think about it. Many thanks for the video
Thanks for the video! Please comment on any “blackout” after taking a still photo. The EOS R has this annoying “stutter” that would freeze the image on the lcd for like .5 seconds - effectively like a blackout.
Thanks Eric. I didn't really notice much of a black out. I wasn't really looking for it though, to be honest. The EVF in high fidelity mode is unreal though - like you're looking through a DSLR mirror EVF. Didn't talk about it in the video because it's hard to demonstrate, but it's bonkers.
R5 is their best photo camera, but the newer 12k black magic Ursa will kill it for video, I would wait for S3, Gh6, to do final comparison
The Ursa is 10 grand, the s3 will not do 4k 60 internal without a fan, the gh6 will be a crop sensor. There is no need to wait we know these things now.
Can’t wait to try this bad boy out
How would you rate the 1080 120fps on the R6? It's my only box I need to check for if I buy it or not
IDK. Looked pretty good to me.
@@vistek but no 120p 1080 on the r5 right?
Great early insights video. I’m keen for the R6.
Thanks Craig!
The test video was shot very well
I like it very much
1:55 What is the ISO of the three photos ?
My biggest criticism of the eos r and 1dxiii is the poor dynamic range. Has it improved with the r5/6?
No idea. We can't access the RAW files yet or do empirical tests against other models. Perhaps this is something DxO Mark will do soon, or someone else with controlled facilities.
for photos the 1dx iii is 14.5 stops and as the iso increases it is one of the best in the market and this is according to dxo
Honestly, I'm beginning to doubt hybrid cameras. If the R5 overheats and the stills resolution is compromised (by a filter - which it has) then surely its better to buy 2 bodies: a video specific and stills specific. I've delayed buying due to the R5. But if it overheats, that's a real world pain for professionals (Sony!) Honestly, I would rather have less power and more reliability for video. More (uncompromised) resolution for stills.
I'm a stills shooter for the last 30 years... and my Canon 5Dii still rocks with the right glass on the body!!!!
:)
Do we really need bigger/better to this extent? Of course Canon wants to convince us purchasing yet another new camera with more processing power than the PC taking humanity to the moon in the 1960s... AND it cost as much as a second-hand car!!!! I admit that the "true silent mode" is very useful during weddings, nature shots etc, but is it worth the money for a semi-pro?
In the old days (pre-digital) photographers used what today is sneered at, a mechanical metal box with a piece of glass in front + 36 negatives and no "auto" anything what so ever... still they produced fantastic images that still stands the test of time.
OK, if I had a million on the bank I might buy one of these R5/R6 toys... but as long as I live in the real world I will keep to the great second-hand gear that flooding the markets.... most of this type of gear cover 98% of what us semi-pro and/or amateurs need. If I ever need an R5/R6 these for a job which I doubt... then I will not buy one, I just rent it for a day.
These are the cameras that every filmmaker or creator has been waiting for! ✌
Actual Counterfactual no need to be so salty about it lol.
Great review! Questions: it seems the R5 does 120fps WITH audio, but the R6 does 120fps WITHOUT. Is this correct? Does the camera auto-focus in 120fps?
Do either the R5 or R6 do timelapse photography with the option for a timelapse video to be created in-camera like the Panasonic GH5 does?
Do they offer the following GH5 features:
1) programmable rack focusing mode?
2) 4k live cropping (i.e. recording FullHD video with perfect digital pan/zoom motions programmed by user)?
3) Ex. Tele Conv. (i.e. crop sensor recording for high quality 'digital zoom'?
From the images, I see the R5 has a dial wheel on the back but the R6 doesn't. Serious bum move on Canon's part.
With micro HDMI and a half hour recording limit, I'm going to wait to see what the Panasonic GH6 offers. Hopefully Panasonic finally gets its auto-focus act together. It's the only major feature missing on the GH5.
120 fps is a HFR mode feature. So no audio. Yes to timelapse in camera. 1. I don't know. 2. ?? They have a cropped sensor mode. Outside of that, no idea.
@@vistek Thanks for the info!
Everything about these two are incredible but is 20mp actually enough for printing A4 and above prints?
LOL. How did we survive 12MP?
I professionally shot bill board campaigns with the 8 Mpixel 1D Mark II. 20mp is more than enough.
Please clean your sensors!... And thanks for your impressions on the new cameras!
looks like the IBIS is jumpy when moving but im sure this will be fixed in the finished product.
Possibly. IDK, I think it's as good as it is going to get. Keep in mind, I was RUNNING with the camera. Even the gimbal was a bit jumpy. When I was just panning & tilting, it was nearly seamless - as though it was on a fluid head.
@@vistek looks good to me. i saw you running. verticle movements on any stabilizer is going to be troublesome except maybe that arri shit that is like 30k or steadicam i guess
Great video thanks.
Thanks!
Why do the IBIS tests seem so jerky/warpy? Even with the control and the gimbal shot, the corners were jumping all over the place, so it doesn't seem like it's IBIS causing problems, but all the stabilisation modes don't seem to really fix it. I wonder how IBIS+OIS+digital+gimbal looks?
We had the IBIS and lens stability turned off for the gimbal. You generally don't want to have any stability on when using a gimbal. It does a lot of weird things. Even the gimbal was herky jerky because I was running. I can't stress that enough. It's not the camera. I was running. Even leaning the gimbal forward to compensate for Y axis bumps, it can only do so much when I'm acting like a barbarian on a whisky binge.
@@vistek Haha. Ok!
@@vistek I've been looking around to find out what other people say about IBIS + gimbal use and can't find much to backup what you said. I'm not trying to catch you out, i'd just genuinely like to know the reason why. I'm trying to get the most stable fluid motion possible without buying a dolly or steadicam. In theory, a gimbal + IBIS + OIS + digital stabilisation should be the holy grail, right?
Hey man, catch me out. I'm not basing that off any science. Just experience. Lots of weirdness has happened to me with many different IBIS cameras and gimbals. I've personally had superior results turning that stuff off. I'm happy to be proven wrong. If you find out more, please share.
@@vistek I was hoping you might be able to do the test, given that you were the one with the camera, but i guess we'll have to wait until the actual cameras ship now.
Please let me know about overheating
Any insight on the dynamic range on the R5 for video?
The comeback of canon? Or better wait for their next generation?
The 5Div footage is sharper than the R6? What about the EOS R?
No idea. didn't have time to test. Hope to resolve this in the future.
I never touched a 5D Mk4... But does it picture look that bad ? It seem worst than my 5D mk2 !
I agree it looks bad, particularily the photo. I think it may just have been camera settings. The photo was more to show resolution more than anything. I didn't have time to check anything, so it was you-get-what-you -get kind of test.
@@vistek It feel like the ISO were set pretty high. Even the general picture color look wrong. But I totally understand the issue having to deal with 3 camera settings in a short time while trying to figure new stuff with them ! From what I see, the overheating really seem to be a big problem with it from the few review and Canon specs... That is going to pissed a lot of people out ! Canon should have made a heatpipe connection at the bottom of the camera, which would allow to have a battery grip to connect to that heatpipe and provide active cooling !
How long did you shoot video with the R5 before it overheated ?
Video? IDK... didn't really keep track of time that way. I think I started shooting with the camera (photos) around 7:30am-ish, and video likely started around 8:20-ish. Warning maybe started happening around 9:30. So that's 2 hours of solid use in direct sunlight, shooting 4K HQ, HFR, HDR. The camera wasn't physically rolling that entire time. There was a lot of just figuring out what to shoot, shooting stand ups to camera (many of which didn't make it into the final cut), and just the camera on standby and I muck through the menu & settings etc. So it was "on" for a good portion of time, even if it wasn't actually recording much.
@@vistek Thank you
Good video. The point of the flip screen though is so you don't have to get on the ground anymore. Sore Canon shooter's necks rejoice.
3:20 this camera is overheating
Is this good for netflix?
What is the battery life on each in video mode ?
If you are not into video then there is not so much the R5 is actually offering more compared to their competition. Way too much hyped. The CMOS sensor is of old technology, not even stacked type. That’s why you see the rolling shutter being quite ugly on the R5. That’s not good at all, the Sony A9 II beats the crap out of the R5 on this point. Also the battery lifetime sucks in the R5, the A7r4 is where? 800 images typically whereas the R5 is at about 400. Only the memory interface is cool. One thing to add for video: the R5 suffers terrible from overheating, what a bummer!!! That’s not useable, that’s a toy function.
And Canon as of YET hasn't come out with a Pro R Camera equiv to say a EOS 1DX MIII, what will that look like?
These are better
the r6 is damn near a 1dxiii minus the beefier body.
cannon have said that the R6 has a crop all be it a small one,
Michael Smallwood small crop 1.07x which is negligible
UHD 4K 60p
it has 1.05x crop
Is the rear LCD as bright as Sony's [Sunny Weather Mode]?
Whatever it was on standard wise seemed a bit dark in the full sun, but I never went into settings to crank it up. I'm sure it's decent if you turn it up. It was good enough for what I was doing at the speed in which I was doing it.
I think Canon made a blunder marketing their mirrorless cameras as video beasts (particularly because they dont have a diverse set of models for different uses, like sony does)......I see their mirrorless cameras as far more impressive for photography, good for video. Maybe I'm being a negative nelly, but my gut tells me their marketing team shit the bed on this one. I think most people were using the EOS R for photography and a secondary video camera to begin with, they should have just continued with that marketing direction, and would have attracted a lot more photographers. This wouldnt hurt them as everyone knows canon has beasty cinema cameras that are cream of the crop in the video industry. The only real attraction to these new R series cameras for video is the autofocus system.
Also, if their intention was to release a mirrorless video camera that was a game changer, they should have gone way more conservative with the specs and built something high quality and functional. Its a joke that top camera companies are still releasing cameras that overheat.
4:33 Why R6 looks so blurry? totally lost sharpness?
Good question. I don't have an answer for that yet. We'll need to get the cameras back and do some controlled tests. I'm sure it was operator error. Need to examine further.
One reason might be its shooting in IPB not ALL-I on the R6
overheating, overheating and overheating. a camera for pros?