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CANON R5C | WHAT YOU SHOULD KNOW FROM PREP TO POST
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024
- The Canon R5C has been launched with a great deal of fanfare and promise. Canon lent us the camera for a few days to see if it will live up to the expectations. We shot a short musical film with it, and we'll walk you through all the good & the challenging aspects of this camera as we cover each element of our shoot from prep to post production.
Quick Jump Guide:
00:00 SHORT FILM "DARLING"
01:37 INTRO
02:08 CAMERA PREP
04:08 CODECS
07:28 PRODUCTION DAY
10:13 USABILITY
12:28 PHOTOGRAPHY
13:20 POST PRODUCTION
The Canon R5C at Vistek: www.vistek.ca/...
#R5C #CANON #REVIEW
Your short at the beginning is all everyone needs to know about this camera's capabilities: nice work.
And that leads right into: yes, planning, design, care and skills are 85-90% of the result.
Thanks for keeping it real.
Thanks so much Andrée!
I don't comment too often on social media, but this was awesome... thanks!
Thank you, Sean!
This blew me away. What a beautiful film and such a helpful review filled with tips and techniques. I hit the purchase button on a R5C yesterday so seeing this video has banished any chance of buyers remorse. Nice to see you using a 100mm macro ef lens - I need to take mine off the shelf more.
Awesome! Great to hear David! Best of luck with the new R5C!
Alright, feeding the beast :)
First, thank you for this super useful video, I was taking notes as some others, and subscribed!
Second, you really remind of some 50's hollywood star, the look and the charm, it is a pleasure watching you, and I can just hear you talking with their characteristic fast paced old-timey accent xD
Haha thanks Liza! I’ll start working on my mid-Atlantic accent. ;)
I know this video is a year old. This is the best one on the R5c I have come across. I have the C70s. I just ordered the R5c and waiting for it. This video got me excited and not full of anxiety wondering how it could perform. I will start using it for quick run and gun but maybe film down the road.
Thank you! I'm sure you'll love the camera!
Great video! And the footage looks killer! 🙌🏻
Thanks Jacob!
This is the most comprehensive video I’ve seen. We’ll done!
Thanks Mike! Super appreciate the kind words!
the epicness! from the narration to the short
Thank you Playbox!
Woaw the film during the intro is so nice !! 😱
Thanks Benoit!!
Great review and amazing short! Such creativity and nice to see you showcasing the R5C video capabilities through your film. I think this camera may be the perfect balance for what I currently need. For the price you really can't go wrong. As usual it's the glass, the crew and your imagination and skill that usually makes all the difference. Thanks for the hard work and a great preview of the R5C!
Thank you Lee!
Great video thank you ... I just got my R5c... and mennnnn Do I have to stady!!!
Thanks Max Q!
Those stills look spectacular.
Thank you!
“I should probably learn to edit in Davinci Resolve” 😂😂😂 that was very funny.
that short film is fire.
Thank you Lutz!!
Wow. What a great real world review. Appreciate the effort that went into this and excellent final product!
Thank you TGE!! 🙏🙏
Amazing walkthrough of your experience with the R5C! As a future owner of this camera it is VERY appreciated. Incredible work lighting your scenes as well!
Thank you PBFilms!!
By far the best review I’ve seen for this camera-I’m sold!
Beautifully shot!👏👏👏 nice video!
Thank you YoungDecent1!
my new favorite tech yt channel about photography gear!
Thanks Riccardo! Sooo appreciate the support!
You're my fav!!!!! Keep up the great work!!!
Thank you, Anthony!
Dude you literally earned a sub LOVE THIS VIDEO. Great pacing, not boring, and entertainment+education. #my hero! =)
Thanks Richie! Really appreciate the comment and the support! 🙏🙏
Very well put together video and that film is absolutely stunning. I would love to see a more in depth video on how you achieved some of the lighting in that film as well as a look at the colour grading process. I loved your point about being able to create a similar look on any modern camera but an in depth video on everything that went into creating that stunning look would be amazing.
Thanks Tech Space! The lighting was actually a lot simpler than you’d think. We only had a few fixtures. Stick a light in a window and walk away. The only spot where I did more than that was a skypanel s60 through a 6x6 diffusion in the red dress scene. Then lots of negative fill.
Great review. Feel like you hit on a lot of points on things that would apply in how I would make my mind up about the camera.
Thanks Bob!
Fine review. Thank you 👍🏼
Thanks for watching!
Can you map different frame rates and shutter angles to the Custom mode dial? ie) to make it easy to switch between 24fp and 60fps for example...?
Oh my…. That looks absolutely beautiful.😊
Thank you Jeffrey!!
Thanks for a great video!
Thank you!
This is good to hear. I almost bought a Sony FX3. Of course, neither cameras are available at the moment. But this Canon will be mine in all due time.
Great review! Thanks for being professional and concise.
Thanks John!
I'll be ordering one. Awesome camera, thanks for the review.
Thank you so much!
Sensible guy and a great review! It’s such a difference when a professional does a review.
Thanks Martin!
Excellent as always, Dale. Thank you!
Thanks Jolyon!
Interesting camera .Worth checking it out once it is available.
Brilliant video
Good stuff… this camera is more than tempting
Thanks Roby!
Thanks for these very nice walk through video for your production
Gorgeous footage!!
Thank you, Patsy!
This is such a great video, love your style and flow!
Thank you Tim!
Great video, I appreciate your attention to detail. Beautiful footage!
Thank you Michael!
thanks guys - great work
Thank you!
Brilliant footage & very informative
Thank you csound!
Nice review!
Very detailed. Thank you random guy.
🙏👌🏼✌🏼
Great review! I want to get a R5C in the near future. Just subbed your channel. Looking forward to more content 🙌🏼
Thanks Jimmy! Super appreciate the support!
Thanks for so detailed review! Chose between c70 and r5c and your video helps a lot
Thank you!!
Nice video, i hope to see more on this camera.
Excelent video, thank you! Finaly a nice approach to a new camera, where its not about this and that feature, but about actualy creating beautyful art with it! = )
Thank you so much Michael. Really appreciate the great comment.
This camera is great… BUT… I can’t wait for the raw update on the C70. That dgo sensor makes everything. Great review!
Thanks SJF!
Masterful footage!
Thank you Paul!
Wow, someone actually reviewing it based off an actual project! Very helpful.
Only question I have is battery life, everyone else is saying it’s a hog but you said it was reasonable. How much time were you getting and in what context? Thx!!!!
Thanks JLS! I think that if you’re doing doc work (which wouldn’t be the ideal use for this camera), you’d run into issues using LP-E6. I mean, LP-E6s are pretty lousy batteries at the best of times. We had a good amount of them, however and we’re able to cycle them out between takes as needed. I don’t recall the feeling that we were swapping out more than say, if I was shooting on an A7Siii or an SH1. Maybe we did 3-4 swaps for the day. Which, in my mind - for an 8K mirrorless camera, is quite good. Maybe my expectations are lower than other reviewers. In an actual professional context (if I owned the camera) I would have it set up for v-mount/gold mount power. That way you can run the camera all day + accessories on one or two charges at most.
@@vistek thanks again for so much practical detail. I’ve found my real world usage to be very different in reality than people who aren’t actually using these things in actual production scenarios.
So Basically this tells me that in some situations (for me) having some extra LP-E6s will be fine (ie on a gimbal) and in other situations I’ll just use an external power source. Which is what I do when using my BMPCC4K.
For me that’s why I really like hybrids, I have the option to scale up or have it super lean and inconspicuous.
THANK YOU!
@@Malick333 The BMPCC4k is an absolute hog on batteries. My R5C hasn't arrived yet (should be arriving tomorrow), but I have a feeling the R5C might fare better. Either way, if the camera is being caged up, there is absolutely no issue running a V-mount or an Anker power bank on the setup and not having to worry about power anymore.
@@vistek Hi, so you think that this camera is not so good for running around and shooting documentaries... well that is what I do and wanted this camera :(
Hey. Very interesting. I might not get this camera in march but I too have an herman miller chair! ;)
Great video, thanks for the info!
THanks Adam!
Fantastic
Thanks!
Thanks - very detailed!
Great video, 🙏😊
Thanks JB!
do yourself a favour and learn resolve for editing. in the newest version there is also m1 support in the box. i switched and it's the best thing happened to my professional life since the invention of wrap parties.
edit: and thanks for that really great in-depth look at the r5-c and the beatiful short! but i always get triggered when i see capable people restrain themselfes by using premiere. ^^
Stunning video! Can you elaborate on the grading process, any LUTs or Filmconvert?
Thanks Myles! I had a professional colourist colour the film. Not a LUT to be seen for miles. :). But if you look in the review, you can see the canon clog3 to Wide DR lut produces some pleasant results out of the can.
@@vistek haha thanks! I thought that conversion LUT looked good, I get really overwhelming red skin on C70 but will have to revisit it! Great work
Beautifully filmed. Great short! Very thorough review. Much appreciated! Some professional videographers do run and gun and rely on IBIS. How does the camera work with digital + lens stabilization? Also, is there anyway around the need to switch if you're in film mode and want to take a quick picture. Is there a screen capture-type thing? Thank you! And well done!
cool.cool.yes.cool.i guess that's true.works great for the other run and gun types with no ibis.no not really.crank shutter and screen cap or ask them to stand still.HOPETHATHELPS
The only video I look for 😄
Thanks you Stian!
Very helpful, thanks!
Thank you Davin!
Now I'm starting to reconsider buying this camera
😉
Great job on this video! It's very helpful. Does the R5C have the ability to save settings to the SD card like the R5 does? If so, does it save photo & video settings to one file or are they separate?
great review!!!!
Thank you Jin!
Cool stuff. Loved the cello music too! I have an R5 and BMPCC4k,6k,6kpro. The C70 was too much for me to consider being as I am a keen amateur. So what with the dual nature of the R5c, I am a bit skittish on the vid side of the R5c. BTW Check out Casey Faris' DaVinci Resolve end-to-end course, really great!
Great review
Amazing video! Which lenses did you use for this project?
Thank you for this great review. What about water resistance such as for use on a vessel out at sea in some weather? I subscribed.
I'm not sure about that - I'm sure Canon's website will have their weather and dust rating listed.
Awesome video
Thanks DBD!
Is there no 8k compressed or ipb?
I love ipb light on the r5. I wish they had an even more compressed mode on r5c
Amazing video, can you talk about the lighting? Especially the harsh light rays with the blinds and tree/leaf patterns?
Time the day right and the sun will do the work for you ;)
can you maybe shed light on why other reviewers complained about battery life, vs your experience on how it was adequate? Thats the only thing holding me back on the R5C, so its interesting to hear a favorable take on its battery.
Hi Miguel. We had a set of 4 batteries and cycled through them. Definitely in a camera like this - especially shooting 8K, it’s going to eat through the LP-E6. I based my comment on the general understanding that the LP-E6s performed as expected or better than expected. But if someone is using this camera with a couple E6s and expecting them to last a few hours, I think that simply wouldn’t be possible. Either you want a large external source or a nice handful of E6s.
@@vistek That is very interesting. LPE6's last tops 8 minutes on 4K when toggling between 60 and 24fps. The LPE6NH gets to about 30minutes (roughly) just while being on standby and taking a few shots. Then I get a warning and within 5 minutes of battery warning - its dead. I am seeing erratic reports online. Some boast 1hr10minutes, others like me are seeing unexplained battery drain and so far Canon has not been forthcoming or helpful to resolve or admit this. I think these are all first model bugs. To anyone interested , I would say to wait till they fix all these beta bugs.
- They removed IBIS
- They removed the good V2 autofocus in videomode
- The dust/vater safety is the same rating as the R5 ;) look in the manual
- The batteryindicator has problems in video until firmware Update
When it runs out in video mode it has half battery still in photomode 😅😫
Ohh and the battery is done in seconds 🤣
- Some og the video related settings is still in photomode 😅 they Will prob. Fix this
- xf-avc slowmotion is now possible (the c70 doesent give you that)
- the best Nd system would be the kipper tie one with 4 rotatibg Nd including the clear none..
- fun fact you can’t edit the raw in lightroom or photoshop yet, dont make the same mistake.. shoot jpegs until they fix it.
SUPPOSEDLY, the R5c MK II is coming out so I am hoping this camera drops in price so I can get one.
Beautiful video! What method of noise reduction do you prefer?
Thanks Matt. TBH I’m not the expert in that area. I’ve toyed around with it but I’m not very knowledgeable. I know one of the secrets is to isolate the shadows and lower mids and only reduce the noise there - retaining the sharpness in the skin and highlights where there is less noise. I’ve tried AE, Resolve, and Neat. In the end, my strategy has either been to over expose and crush out the noise or hand it off to a competent Colorist to do it properly.
Thank you for the review! I’m wondering does it shoot 4K RAW? I’m considering the camera but am worried about the huge 8k file sizes and having to buy so many hard drives and media. 8k feels a bit overkill for my needs personally, however I do like shooting RAW so would love it if this camera did 4K raw it would save me a lot of headache. I use DaVinci Resolve so ProRes RAW via Atomos not an option bc of all the transposing. Thanks for any insights,keep up the good work!
Thanks K. Raw is only available in 8K. It plays surprisingly well on a timeline, so the bigger issue will be file size vs performance.
There is an 5,9K RAW option up to 60fps, but only with a Super35 crop
Where did you get the LUTS from Log to wide dynamic range?
It is very interesting to watch
your videos regularly . I have both cameras
R5 and R5C, I'm missing The R5 4K HQ sharpness quality to watch it right to TV without editing in my new R5C. the
question is how can I use my new R5C as I used my R5 in mode 4K HQ
(Ufine) right to watch it on tv without editing . I
tried my R5C in all tv watchable formats without editing but I couldn't get the same sharpness quality as R5? Please help me .
Nice practical review
Thank you Marcus!
amazing content! I film weddings and corporate video and I have doubts between as7III and r5C? My key points are Dynamic Range and Image quality. C70 could be an option but form factor, price of batteries and run and gun situations are important for me. Thank you for your attention
Thank you Rata del Desierto! I wouldn't be too concerned about DR. From a practical POV both of those cameras are very similar and about as good as it gets for mirrorless cameras. Image quality is rather subjective, so that's up to you to decide what pleases you the most. Best of luck!
Nice review. Can you please confirm that you were shooting with a pre-release camera? You were saying "pre production camera" in the video and now I'm scared I can't shoot RAW photos with it when I buy it. Thank you. Hi from Germany.
Hi Malte. Yes the camera was very much a pre-release model.
I can't record film in 59,94hz modus, what am I doing wrong?
Really fascinating, and beautiful of course. I'm just starting out with video after a lifetime of stills.using R3 and C70. The raw from R3 is making the C70 look bad, and its harder to use. . Thinking of selling it...
Thanks Roderick! How do you find the c70 more difficult to use? The experience should be the opposite.
@@vistek hi, thanks fir the reply! well.... Coming from stills, I'm used to the evf stuck to my face, a little stabilisation.Also ,I'm using a neat VND adapter on R3 and shooting raw (on zeiss lenses). With the C70, I have no auto iso and struggle to see what I'm doing.... I think the sensor is distinctly gentler though. And I love the video menu and tools.
What monitor did you use in this video ?
All the R5 and R6 cages work and fit the R5C lol
Great video. You didn't waste my time.
Hahaha. Happy to hear! Thank you! 😀
Curious about the app on the phone at 4:14.
NO BU Slate
Thanks for the review! Very torn between the R5C and C70. I do everything from corporate talking heads to fashion/music editorial videos. Though my heart is definitely with the more cinematic look, I'm concerned that the lack of full frame or 8K will make the C70 less optimal for commercial use (which includes frequent requests for vertical/in-feed/mutli-aspect ratio cuts) and not as "future-proof". What do you think I should get?
I’d be interested to see what other viewers think - but based on my experience with both cameras now, I think the C70 is still a very strong camera. 8K is nice, no question. But it’s really not necessary. It’s a nice to have kind of thing. The built in ND of the C70 also makes it a great (if not more suitable) product for pro use. The one clear reason to get the R5C is if you want both a video and proper photo camera.
@@vistek Thanks so much. Really appreciate the thoughtful answer. One last question - if you were shooting a feature and you had to pick one, do you have a clear winner personally?
@@abnerqjames I think I'd end up going with the C70, simply because there are limited options for full frame cinema glass. Depending on the speed of production, and the subject matter - you may also really appreciate the internal ND. But ultimately there are so many factors in determining the right camera for your production that you probably have to weigh out several things.
@@vistek Awesome. That makes sense. Thank you again!
@@vistek Why is c70 almost a thousand dollars cheaper at Maple leafs photo than Vistek ? what is the difference ? Thanks
How did you get the mist in the apartment, so that light rays from the windows were visible?
Very impressed with the dynamic range in this video.
Hello Miles, $15 smoke machine rental. :)
What is the app he is using at 4min13secs?
👍🏾🙏🏾
Thank you Eugene!
I believe 4×5.6 filters are better than screw on vND but many ppl use vnd and footage looks great so why did you get vignetting?
Lens was too wide, amongst other issues. Trust me, if I can go with a matte box and drop in filters, that’s always the preference. It wasn’t an option budget wise on this job.
@@vistek so you only got vignetting at the 15mm end of the canon glass up to what mm ?
Quick question bro, why did you shoot both xfavc and raw? What parts were XFAvc and what was raw? Just want a little insight into that process because maybe that’s something I should do? I really don’t know😊 thanks!
Hi There - yes, some elements were shot in RAW but not all. Only those in which I wanted the full 8K or needed the extended dynamic range. Most of what you see is XFAVC; a good 90%. RAW is a bit over-kill for stuff like this. I can't remember precisely which clips were raw (it's been a while), but I do recall the stairwell being raw because I was getting lens vignetting with the ultra wide lens, and 8K allowed me to punch in for a vignette free shot. My suggestion is to save RAW for anytime you need the dynamic range or the digital zoom/reframing option. It's a very efficient RAW codec, but XFAVC is still a powerful 10 bit codec that should be more than enough for all your projects and at a fraction of the file size. If you are relatively in control of your lighting, there is little need to ever use RAW on any camera (save maybe for VFX integration).
Thank you so much! 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾Very much appreciate it😊
Well said
Thanks Euriel!
Does the camera runs longer life if only shooting 4k?
Can you set up custom shooting modes for the different frame rates like you can do on the r5?
My assumption is, yes.
Beautiful video and awesome review!
Btw I think the Smallrig cage for the R5/R6 should fit the R5c. I hope I’m not wrong
Thank you! You may be right, but also I’m a bit sceptical because of the fan/base size and the placement of the time code port. The extended EVF may also affect it.
@@vistek probably. But we won’t know until we try 😄😄
In a Interview with Canon I think at fstoppers, the canon guy said the cages are still fitting.
I saw one reviewer fit the Smallrig Black Mamba R5 cage on it no problem. Of course I’m sure they will make R5C custom cages eventually. I highly recommend the super tight form factor of the Mamba btw.
@@vistek Because the growth in the R5C body is to the rear it will not interfere with the Smallrig R5/R6 cage. Other similar cages should also be fine.
10'39"internal batteries last long ? you sure ?
Do you suggest I keep C log 3 on while shooting 8k Raw? Thx.
That's a complicated question. RAW is not inherently LOG. When de-bayering in post, you can chose LOG or any other gamma profile. It just depends on how you are used to working. The dynamic range or any other attribute is unaffected by whatever profile you chose. Raw, is raw. You (the creator) just have to decide how you want to "view" it.
Thank you!@@vistek
Is this a good camera to Vlog around my house? I can’t decide this or the R5..
Well this one won’t overheat whilst vlogging…
If someone very specifically wants to shoot 8K60 (for the VR lens, if nothing else), is having a single CFexpress B an issue for redundancy, or do you generally feel CFexpress/SSD failure is a non-issue?
I ask because this camera does not have HDMI 2.1, so even when the next generation of external recorders come out, it still won't be able to do redundant 8K60.
Hi Alexander - I'm sure other viewers / shooters can chime in with their thoughts here as well. I'm just gonna flex my opinion, but opinions can vary greatly. My feeling when it comes to using this camera is to be aware of unique nature of the situations in which you're using it. If I was a wedding shooter and I knew that I'd have to shoot for a long while before back ups - I'd want to make sure my camera had a back up or proxy capabilities.
But I'm willing to guess you're not going to be shooting a 2 hour wedding with 8K VR. This means, like all other cinema productions, that you off load your card often, and use professional software like ShotPut Pro or Hedge vs the ol' drag & drop. Most card corruption issues come from the files not being closed out - which those programs effectively do. There is never a 2nd (back up) card for any film or commercial project I work on. One card, that we ensure we off load regularly, in a proper way, and double check the footage after import. Fortunately I've never had anything ever go wrong, but if it did, we'd be able to re-shoot on the day.
@@vistek Thanks for the detailed response! I was ignorant of how that all fits together. Makes sense.