As I understand it, that isn't too far off from what submarines face with torpedoes, which do circle after losing contact. Though in that situation the whole thing is in slow motion potentially covering miles at 45mph...
@@cameronclark8912 lol good one. They've got one plane with semi super maneuverability. The Russians still use the cobra as a dog fight tactic...it leaves you with no forward momentum and the wingman will nail you. The f22 can j turn aka Herbst maneuver. If we are comparing aircraft of the same role, Russia is 2 or 3 decades behind. Everyone else (non nato/japan) is 4 decades or more
It's the most accurate ejection sequence I've seen in a movie aside from the length of time from when the handle is pulled to when they're actually out or when the guy gets his legs burned by the rocket motor. The sears cutting the canopy hooks was great to throw in.
Later in the same movie the slo-mo sequence showing the mines detonate and what they do to the poor bastards caught in the kill zone was good too. Dead before the shrapnel can even reach them... the concussive wave of the blast completely shattering them.
Showing the "Burning" of the HDDs deleting the data on them was the only unrealistic part from what I can tell, at least, its not a physical "burn", more just the computer systems destroying it software wise.
@@KomradeDoge I think that was more to represent the heat from the ejection seat rocket frying all the components (or at least that was my interpretation)
How'd the Blackbird pilot say it..."though I fly through the valley of death I shall fear no evil, for I'm at 80,000 feet and climbing." Yeah, they've been spooked a few times like over Libya, but never hit.
@@visionearthcare Many have tried getting in front, Libya was a good example. But speed, altitude, and a good RIO (radar intercept officer for those who don't know) was proven to be too much for the Soviet built SAM systems of the time. As I said, they got spooked, but not touched.
@@marchendrickson2382 what happens in general say you are in a F-16 and have an advanced radar guided R77/AIM120C/Meteor approaching head-on vis-a-vis in tail chase. Assuming in both cases you have 20sec for impact. Would the pilot try to convert the headon engagement to tailchase for better survivability?
@@visionearthcare That's where your AWAC's come in handy, to avoid a head on collision with an incoming missile. Would be foolish to do anything but vector to where the missile either misses or ends up with a tail shot at worst. No pilot wants to punch out, but if said missile hits the rear of the aircraft, the pilot will have a better chance of punching out. Head on, 20 seconds till impact, the pilot must turn and burn in hopes to survive.
I was stationed onboard the Carl Vinson when they shot the movie. Owen Wilson never gave back my shop's mickey mouse ears from when he went onto vultures row to watch flight ops. My Divo actually made it into the movie. She is the one that walks up to Gene Hackman on the flight deck and says he is needed in the SCIF.
And also number II, featuring a pilot with claustrophobia, a bomb that only blows to a verbal radio command within a certain radio distance and a Photon Torp.... I mean a Maverick into the Ventillation shaft. Lets not forget the Mig-29 Phantoms :V
If you listen to the dialogue, it's apparent that the writers payed homage to Hackman's role in that other movie. One scene, Wilson's character (Burnett) calls back to the Vincent saying that he was in position and waiting for them to "lay the fairway".
I was on the Vinson when this movie was filmed. We were doing flight ops off the coast of Mexico for this. We got to stay at sea for two extra weeks to shoot the movie, not a lot of happy campers for that. There are only a couple of spots on the carrier footage that are real, they had some made up rooms that are not on the carrier. First off, safety wise and hate to ruin it, but no one would ever be allowed to hold the football for the rabbit to hit. Got to meet some of the actors which was cool. We did get to watch the movie on a big make shift screen on the island, while we we at sea...that was exciting.
@@theenzoferrari458 When your boy was told he was gonna get it in a couple of days, then you told your boy he was gonna have to wait a couple more weeks....
@@seanjoseph3813 "Two Trophy Class Mitsubishi A6Ms in original condition, complete with all markings. I mean, they look brand new sir!" Meanwhile the F-14s are wings spread, flaps down, nose high and weaving trying to go slow enough to hold their position in the sun behind the Zeros.
Even though I'm an army guy (served 11 yrs as an officer in the US army 2000-2011), I really enjoy your channel! I remember during my tour in Iraq an F-14 (before they were retired) was coming back from a bombing mission I guess and had seen our little FOB on his flight in and on his flight back he he decided to give us a little show. He came down really low and gave us a big boom!!! It was aways but scared the shit out of some of the guys because they didn't know what was going on. I was a always a HUGE fan of attack helicopters, especially the Apache because I have seen them in action in real combat. I those bastards will fuck you up and you won't even know they are circling over your head lol. I'm a fan of the movie Fire Birds lol.
Back in the late 80's we did a CAX out at 29 Palms. There was a Navy F-18 squadron also supporting us on the air side of the house. We were there for a month I think. When it was all done they treated all of us, ground and air side, to big ass feast of grilled steaks, baked potatoes and beer (two apiece lol). After we ate and all the skipper of the Navy F-18 squadron put on a show for us with that beautiful beast out there in the beautiful high desert mountains. He put on that show for about 30 minutes and did some really low passes over us, sonic boomed, verticals etc. That was so freaking cool. The old man had us Marines whooping and hollering with that mini air show. Good memories.
"Back in the day" it was not unusual for a pilot to get stuck in a WSO or GIB seat. (which you can guess how the GIB felt). Usually it was a temporary situation because of Vietnam manning and training requirements. I saw an O-3 pilot with low F4 time, sitting behind an experienced high time first lieutenant. It didn't last long, but it was a SH flight lead and the capt. had just arrived from phantom training. The O3 was driving within 3 weeks.
My Dad a seasoned F4 pilot rode back seat on Dual Seat A4s that were doing wild weasel missions trying to attract Sams. The A4 was not fast but very agile so it could out turn SAMS. My Dad the f4 pilot said all the maneuvering would make him sick
@@scottstewart9154 Interesting, from what I've read, dual-seat A-4s were fairly uncommon and using them in combat was unusual as they were mostly acquired for training.
@@Laerei yeah maybe they had some training in actual combat, Im sure my dad didn't make this up he had some amazing flying stories, my parents were divorced and for years he would check out Jets for the weekend and fly cross country to visit us, something you can't get away with now.
Loving the "Mover Ruins Movies" reviews. I'll throw another vote in for Iron Eagle reaction. Looked around an F-16B intercom and couldn't find the 1/8th inch audio input for my cassette player. ;)
upupaepops it’s built into helmets audio cable by your friendly and ever so helpful ATs and AEs. All you have to do is go down and order them to make you one.
@@fwicket Was a bit a tongue-and-cheek humor on my part fwicket. I'm very familiar with the comms stack and intercom setup. ;) I run a similar setup on my helmet with a Sigtronics unit.
upupaepops, I stand corrected. :) As I haven't seen Iron Eagle in thirty years, I thought I remembered it as a Citizen (can't recall the model number) that had two speakers on the back and had a similar colour enclosure.
That's the first thing I thought of.. then laughed uncontrollably.... Mover would never be able to make it through the first 2min... FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, Fake, FAKE so on an so on ROFL
Great book too. Written by a former Naval Aviator, Stephen Coonts. Flight Of The Intruder is actually the first book in a long series... great read though.
@@latoyamcdonald4444 F-117 was shot down in 1999 during a Kosovo War, F-16 was shot down in 1995 during the wars following the breakup of SFR Yugoslavia. Different wars
The full video is 9 minutes long, about 3 minutes if him dodging 6 Sam's. If I remember right there's a climps of a telephone poles size missile flying right in front of him.
I watched this movie with my best friend when I was young, we were huge into fighter jets as young boys often are, and I loved it. Now, this might be a bit of nostalgia blinding me, even though I can see the flaws of it more now, I still like it. Especially the chase scene, which I watched again entirely just now, and even with the knowledge that the missiles have infinite fuel, it's 1000% riveting. Because they had a real jet flying through a real valley, it doesn't matter how fake the missiles are, it feels visceral. At the end of the day, it's a movie, not a training video on what to do if you get targeted in a fighter jet by a SAM site, so I can forgive a lot of those flaws.
I was on the Vinson when they filmed it. Actually I'm in one of the scenes, but literally just for a few seconds. Have some friends that were in some longer shots. The Super Hornet flying footage was cool. It was fun to be part of the making of it, but I never liked this movie. They used real USMC Huey's when they did the shots on the boat and then switched to a mix of other Huey variants for the scenes on land. I always think it's lame when movies makers think no one will notice the aircraft switch. CVNs don't normally have Huey's onboard, so I enjoyed working with them. I guess no one cares except the people that care about that stuff, lol.
It is cool that you got to be part of a movie... but you're also right that the movie sucked ass. Not the worst ever, but not worth watching twice, unfortunately. There's so much room to make great movies in this genre, and it almost never happens. Hollywood is run by idiots who hate America.
Love this new series! I think Behind Enemy Lines is very entertaining. The beginning of the movie, what you covered here, is the best part of the movie. Nothing will ever take the place of the Tomcat in my heart, but this movie puts the Hornet up there close. I know your expertise probably doesn't cover dogfighting UFOs, but please do Independence Day!😁
Your videos are great and we learn alot from you. It really tells that the job of a fighter pilot and the threats he faces in real world are far more greater than what we see in movies. But what I learnt from your videos that WSO does not have much work in the jets then why they are used? I mean single seater jets are better this way.
Hi, i would like to mention something, the real incident took place with f16, call code was Bash. The SAM battery was made in the Soviet era, and the commander of that unit played a smart move against the f16. There was a single pilot, and he made it out alive.
Additionally, thank you for explaining the Ejection process to put it in a good perspective. Not many people understand just how intense it is. One last thing I forgot to critique: the black box is part of the aircraft, not the seat, so the whole plot twist for the end of the movie is BS. Love, A friendly neighborhood Rocket Chair Repairman.
The thing he’s recovering isn’t the black box though is it?! The black box is purely recording flight data. He recovered the hard drive the reconnaissance camera was recording to.
For some reason, I thought carrier qualifications went hand in hand with flying the Hornet. What is required to move on to carrier qualifications and why didn't you pursue it?
He was in guard unit and then he had kidney disease so he only flew for a year in navy but technically less than a year since he was arguing with waivers etc since it has the first year. He ended up back in air Force flying the T38 aggressor squadron roll.
@Mars Exulte Well said. I flew CF-18 Hornets in Canada for 10 years (1,200 hours, including part-time on staff tours). Never once did any Canadians fly off carriers, except for a few who went on Exchange with the USN and got carrier qualified. Aircraft type does not equal carrier qualification.
Mars Exulte Many countries do fly Hornets and as such DO get their Carrier Quals. I remember having several Canadian Forces pilots getting their time in when I was abroad the Ike. Makes sense when you think about how we’re in the Middle East and they may need somewhere closer than base to get too because of fuel issues etc.
I enjoyed watching the RFMDS footage at Nellis AFB, Red Flag back in the 80's. Saw some interesting safety videos. An F-4 merging with an F-16 and they clipped wings. The F-16 lost its right wing, pilot ejected and was ok. The F-4 Flew back to Nellis with slight damage. Also the Engagement tapes from the SAM/AAA sites was amazing. Especially explaining to an A-6 pilot how he got toasted by a AAA with the cross hairs locked onto his helmet for 4 seconds as the gun was firing.
Yeah, I enjoyed this movie too. Incidentally, the production was sued be Scott O'Grady for using story elements without his permission. But, yeah, I remember the scene with the missiles and thinking "what kind of missiles are those that pull all of those maneuvers?" Former SAM operator here and remember how our missiles pretty much ended their boost phase within a few seconds and would coast in a ballistic trajectory after that. Although they did have guidance, but we were told that they had at most one turn in them.
That's like a shtick of military movies, where the hero is a bad-ass who's always getting dressed down by his superiors, same with a lot of cop movies.
God, this movie suffers *hard* from '90s editing. That entire opening where we get the actor credit roll and all that is just nothing but FAST CUT FAST CUT RAPID PAN RAPID PAN It's a real product of its era and I think it's just dumb enough for me to love it
As someone who has burned in on a parachute at 80MPH I can tell you that time doesn’t slow down. However that hard drive (brain) saves every last bit of information during what you perceived the final moments. Day to day your brain can’t process and save that much info so it’s making all types of judgements to fill in the data. I have trouble telling you what happened last week but I can damn well sure tell you how that grass smelled laying there with a broken pelvis and lower back. (I’m fully recovered BTW, save 16 inches of permanent hardware)
Haven't seen the movie in a long time. Didn't like it. Jet moving at high speed finally, after prolonged aviation looses the battle against the hyper capable missile. Crashes. Bad guy from the launch site DRIVES out over rough terrain and shoots the pilot very shortly after the impact. What? They were circling the launch site the whole time? That's one fast SUV with a great GPS.
It's interesting to read about how awards were given during the Vietnam war. I had a brief correspondence with the son of Captain Henry Halleland who was my uncle's XO and then CO of the VF-114. He received multiple awards of the DFC primarily for dodging the SA-2 while flying for the VF-114. When I was reading about Robin Olds, he described dodging the SA-2 as very easy and Business As Usual / all in a day's work.
@CWLemoine - could you do a review of “The Battle of Britain”? Not exactly modern, but I think you’d like it. Same with the Charlton Heston film “The Battle of Midway”
I believe they can be command detonated by the launch site controller... you wouldn't want them landing on your own country and stuff. That was the case over North Vietnam.
I think to this day, the only jet that can outpace a missile is the SR-71, even with all modern technologies, the SR-71 was still faster. Maybe today's non-human pilot Scramjet can outrun missiles.
I was was talking to a young man who wanted to be a fighter pilot but has less than perfect vision and so assumed he wasn't qualified. I got to use your motto: "Make them tell you no" and encouraged him to apply and gave him your channel.
Makes no sense, once an officer has completed their terms of service they can resign their commissions. They don't need approval by anybody. If anything they transfer to to the IRR.
I loved this movie, I do remember in the theater thinking to myself "those are some damn efficient missiles" Cant go wrong with real jet footage and Gene Hackman is always fun to watch
Correct me if I’m wrong but when the doors opened on the launcher that would have pinged him with radar to lock on. Once the missile fired the heat seeker in the missile takes over so the launcher couldn’t have been tracked with an anti- radar missile. Missile fired, launcher radar shuts off.
It's a great movie except for the fact the hero is always begging for a bullet but the villain and the bad guys couldn't aim once. Yet I really enjoyed this film.
Luke Wilson, might want to retire after going through all the stuff he went through in this movie. That might be enough for a lifetime. Lol. He'd prob want to get a little R&R, or maybe not. #Wow
In Yugoslavia a 'stealth' F-117 caught a "golden bb" as the pilots called it. Though google calls it a S-125. Put enough triple A up there and you're bound to hit something eventually.
Yes, ditto on the French fighter pilot's movie. It has: 1. Actual Mirage flying scenes 2. Babes...I think just about every woman in the movie was fine. 3. Cool panoramic shots of what I assume are the French Alps. 4. Bad guys get done in. 5. Did I mention it has babes?
@@notthatdonald1385 the Battery commander and the pilot actually met in 2011. They reportedly developed a friendship. The Battery commander trained his unit to turn on their systems for 17 seconds, and only picked up the Nighthawk when it's weapons doors were opened. Pretty cool, story, except for the fact we never attempted to put ordinance on the wreckage, and the Serbs sent sections of the aircraft to Russia and China. I was in Bosnia as a member of an ADA unit when this happened. Camp Comanche. C Btry 4/5 ADA, 1st Cavalry Divison.
So the football on the flight deck, they tried it, and the catapult obliterated the football. So, to make the scene they had to throw the football off the ship and into the wind
Have you got experience running from people shooting at you? Sounds like you know a lot about getting shot at irl Real guns aren't like the ones you use in games where you can snipe someone with an AK with 100% accuracy from like 2000m away. There's a reason why AK's and other assault rifles are equipped with ACOG's and other short-medium range sights and not a 4-16X scope. IRL assault rifles are only dead accurate at close to medium ranges, but they spread a lot after about 1500-2000m not to mention you have gravity to calculate. Shooting targets in real life is different from your experience in games.
I just hit the like button on your videos before even watching them anymore cause I already know they're gonna be good lol. Seriously, great video man! Thx
@@turnermkvmi08 Yeah. Not that I have much to add (not a fighter pilot) but when I went through the screening for fighter pilot I got a yes for pilot but not for Air Combat Officer (guy in the back seat). So based on that I've assumed being an ACO requires more.
“Nothing good can come from Thailand”... As an internet citizen, true, especially about the ladyboys. As a tourist who’s been, I disagree. But, y’know what, it’s content, it’s humorous, I love the content and the channel. Rock on man, keep doing whatcha do🤘🏽
Wouldn't a WSO still have some flight training, be able to take the stick in an emergency (eg 20mm to pilots balls). Otherwise what, WSO just smiles for the camera as the plane goes down or ejects?
It's been a looong time since I watched this movie, but you've just made me realise that even GTAV Online's more accurate than this! You can buy jet fighters in the game, and you get some right bar stewards who grief the living s*** out of each other. Missile wise I find it far more easy to out maneuver locks in a fighter by doing hard turns and zig-zagging. Once the missile loses its lock in the game that's it, but you tend to get overwhelmed if you're being locked by multiple missiles. You might be able to out maneuver two or even three missiles in the game, but rarely four or more.
Every pilot's worst nightmare: Guided missile with unlimited fuel
Thats nothing those missiles turn better than Russian jets
Aviation Is My Life , Russian jets have the most agility of any jets in the world. I.E. The SU-35S
As I understand it, that isn't too far off from what submarines face with torpedoes, which do circle after losing contact. Though in that situation the whole thing is in slow motion potentially covering miles at 45mph...
@@cameronclark8912 lol good one. They've got one plane with semi super maneuverability. The Russians still use the cobra as a dog fight tactic...it leaves you with no forward momentum and the wingman will nail you. The f22 can j turn aka Herbst maneuver. If we are comparing aircraft of the same role, Russia is 2 or 3 decades behind. Everyone else (non nato/japan) is 4 decades or more
@@cameronclark8912 you might want to reconsider what you're doing with your life LOL
The scene showing the intricacies of the ejection process was a really cool piece of film-work.
It's the most accurate ejection sequence I've seen in a movie aside from the length of time from when the handle is pulled to when they're actually out or when the guy gets his legs burned by the rocket motor. The sears cutting the canopy hooks was great to throw in.
Later in the same movie the slo-mo sequence showing the mines detonate and what they do to the poor bastards caught in the kill zone was good too. Dead before the shrapnel can even reach them... the concussive wave of the blast completely shattering them.
Showing the "Burning" of the HDDs deleting the data on them was the only unrealistic part from what I can tell, at least, its not a physical "burn", more just the computer systems destroying it software wise.
Agreed 100%. I loved how they drew it out over a long time
@@KomradeDoge I think that was more to represent the heat from the ejection seat rocket frying all the components (or at least that was my interpretation)
"I guess if they ran out of flares, the WSO could've armed his seat, jumped out, and been his own flare." - Mover. LOL
Jim Perkins LOL
I feel like he didn't come up with that on the fly.
But if you did kudo's that's some funny stuff.
Brahahaha!
Poor WSO!
That was the funniest thing I’ve ever heard and holy shit he did it with a straight face
“If it’s behind you, it’s gonna hit you...” unless you’re in an SR-71
How'd the Blackbird pilot say it..."though I fly through the valley of death I shall fear no evil, for I'm at 80,000 feet and climbing." Yeah, they've been spooked a few times like over Libya, but never hit.
What happens if it is ahead of you?
@@visionearthcare Many have tried getting in front, Libya was a good example. But speed, altitude, and a good RIO (radar intercept officer for those who don't know) was proven to be too much for the Soviet built SAM systems of the time. As I said, they got spooked, but not touched.
@@marchendrickson2382 what happens in general say you are in a F-16 and have an advanced radar guided R77/AIM120C/Meteor approaching head-on vis-a-vis in tail chase. Assuming in both cases you have 20sec for impact. Would the pilot try to convert the headon engagement to tailchase for better survivability?
@@visionearthcare That's where your AWAC's come in handy, to avoid a head on collision with an incoming missile. Would be foolish to do anything but vector to where the missile either misses or ends up with a tail shot at worst. No pilot wants to punch out, but if said missile hits the rear of the aircraft, the pilot will have a better chance of punching out. Head on, 20 seconds till impact, the pilot must turn and burn in hopes to survive.
I've got to say, I'm becoming a big fan of Mover Ruins Movies! Do keep doing them!
I as well.
Said true
I was stationed onboard the Carl Vinson when they shot the movie. Owen Wilson never gave back my shop's mickey mouse ears from when he went onto vultures row to watch flight ops. My Divo actually made it into the movie. She is the one that walks up to Gene Hackman on the flight deck and says he is needed in the SCIF.
Review Iron Eagle next! Is it possible to single-handedly take out a nation’s Air Force and oil supply in one F-16 while listening to Queen?
And also number II, featuring a pilot with claustrophobia, a bomb that only blows to a verbal radio command within a certain radio distance and a Photon Torp.... I mean a Maverick into the Ventillation shaft. Lets not forget the Mig-29 Phantoms :V
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@@hmsmerlin7060 It was a Proton torpedo hitting the ventilation shaft!! :D
Yes Iron Eagle.....Hades Bomb!!!!
Oh God no!!
Admiral Gene Hackman was having flashbacks to when
he ejected and was trapped behind enemy lines in the film " Bat-21 ".
_Fuck the goddamn swanee._
If you listen to the dialogue, it's apparent that the writers payed homage to Hackman's role in that other movie. One scene, Wilson's character (Burnett) calls back to the Vincent saying that he was in position and waiting for them to "lay the fairway".
Great film, and this is definitely a remake of sorts. Enjoyed both
I was on the Vinson when this movie was filmed. We were doing flight ops off the coast of Mexico for this. We got to stay at sea for two extra weeks to shoot the movie, not a lot of happy campers for that. There are only a couple of spots on the carrier footage that are real, they had some made up rooms that are not on the carrier. First off, safety wise and hate to ruin it, but no one would ever be allowed to hold the football for the rabbit to hit. Got to meet some of the actors which was cool. We did get to watch the movie on a big make shift screen on the island, while we we at sea...that was exciting.
Why would they not be happy? They get to do their duty for a film and meet the cast and crew.
@@theenzoferrari458 No replacement for being with your woman....
justinl458 it’s not easy being away sometimes, and two more weeks doesn’t seem like much, but it can add up quick when you are out to sea.
@@ffjsb but you can build up that sexual tension with 2 weeks. Lol
@@theenzoferrari458 When your boy was told he was gonna get it in a couple of days, then you told your boy he was gonna have to wait a couple more weeks....
That comment " the back seater should eject and become a flare" hilarious and shows what some pilots really think about WSOs lol
Do F14's vs Zero's from The Final Countdown. Jolly Rogers.
wraith0000001 YES!!!! one of my favorite films!
Splash the Zeros
Good call on this. I agree.
@@seanjoseph3813 "Two Trophy Class Mitsubishi A6Ms in original condition, complete with all markings. I mean, they look brand new sir!"
Meanwhile the F-14s are wings spread, flaps down, nose high and weaving trying to go slow enough to hold their position in the sun behind the Zeros.
Everything about "Splash the Zeros" is 100% authentic and nothing can be ruined. :P
Thats exactly what I thought too.
I always had the feeling that the main character from GTA IV was made after the bad guy on this movie...Both are way too similar to be a coincidence
they are the same gta 4's Niko is inspired of this guy.
It is the same guy, he is even called niko belic in the movie😅
I think even rockstar approached that actor in this movie to voice niko but he refused
@@eazy-e9893 Oh ok! It had to be something like that!
@@eazy-e9893 his name is Sasha ya dolt.
Would be cool to get a break down of that F-16 getting fired upon or the F-14 engaging those MiG-23s in 1989.
was thinking the same thing
I like the fact that the radio chat from those clips has been integrated into Falcon 4.0's menu music.
Agreed!
This. Would LOVE a breakdown.
BOTH. Mover... please... do BOTH. But slow it down to C172 speed - It's all going on too fast for my tiny little brain to comprehend.
My very close friend who was a WSO in the Navy in F/A-18s went through full flight school. He later became a test pilot for F/A-18s too.
At that point he was no longer a WSO. He was a pilot.
Ditching multiple SAMs until he was just overwhelmed would have been way more exciting.
“Laces out!! Finkle is Einhorn” I bout died 😂😂😂
Ace Venturer reference right? Took a second to realize he actually said that haha
"Einhorn is a man!" Cue "The Crying Game" music.
Your gun is digging into my hip... GOOOD
Me too, that was hilarious!
Loooooohooooseeehaaaaa. God, I love that movie. I think the cat would have just ripped the football to pieces.
That Viper HUD footage was insane! I can only imagine the adrenaline that guy must have had. It had me on the edge if my seat lol.
In navy ROTC they played this movie to us pretty much on a constant loop.
Even though I'm an army guy (served 11 yrs as an officer in the US army 2000-2011), I really enjoy your channel! I remember during my tour in Iraq an F-14 (before they were retired) was coming back from a bombing mission I guess and had seen our little FOB on his flight in and on his flight back he he decided to give us a little show. He came down really low and gave us a big boom!!! It was aways but scared the shit out of some of the guys because they didn't know what was going on.
I was a always a HUGE fan of attack helicopters, especially the Apache because I have seen them in action in real combat. I those bastards will fuck you up and you won't even know they are circling over your head lol. I'm a fan of the movie Fire Birds lol.
Back in the late 80's we did a CAX out at 29 Palms. There was a Navy F-18 squadron also supporting us on the air side of the house. We were there for a month I think. When it was all done they treated all of us, ground and air side, to big ass feast of grilled steaks, baked potatoes and beer (two apiece lol). After we ate and all the skipper of the Navy F-18 squadron put on a show for us with that beautiful beast out there in the beautiful high desert mountains. He put on that show for about 30 minutes and did some really low passes over us, sonic boomed, verticals etc. That was so freaking cool. The old man had us Marines whooping and hollering with that mini air show. Good memories.
Bro, you ruined the movie, as advertised! Well done
This was a really good movie. Gene Hackman is always great. His role in Crimson Tide is better, but this was was pretty close.
"Back in the day" it was not unusual for a pilot to get stuck in a WSO or GIB seat. (which you can guess how the GIB felt). Usually it was a temporary situation because of Vietnam manning and training requirements. I saw an O-3 pilot with low F4 time, sitting behind an experienced high time first lieutenant. It didn't last long, but it was a SH flight lead and the capt. had just arrived from phantom training. The O3 was driving within 3 weeks.
i have no clue about this topic but i though it that would make sense
My Dad a seasoned F4 pilot rode back seat on Dual Seat A4s that were doing wild weasel missions trying to attract Sams. The A4 was not fast but very agile so it could out turn SAMS. My Dad the f4 pilot said all the maneuvering would make him sick
@@scottstewart9154 Interesting, from what I've read, dual-seat A-4s were fairly uncommon and using them in combat was unusual as they were mostly acquired for training.
@@Laerei yeah maybe they had some training in actual combat, Im sure my dad didn't make this up he had some amazing flying stories, my parents were divorced and for years he would check out Jets for the weekend and fly cross country to visit us, something you can't get away with now.
Loving the "Mover Ruins Movies" reviews. I'll throw another vote in for Iron Eagle reaction. Looked around an F-16B intercom and couldn't find the 1/8th inch audio input for my cassette player. ;)
upupaepops it’s built into helmets audio cable by your friendly and ever so helpful ATs and AEs. All you have to do is go down and order them to make you one.
@@fwicket Was a bit a tongue-and-cheek humor on my part fwicket. I'm very familiar with the comms stack and intercom setup. ;) I run a similar setup on my helmet with a Sigtronics unit.
The Citizen cassette player he had actually had two speakers (for stereo) on the back, so that's what he was listening to.
@@BinaryReplicant Actually, it's an Aiwa, and more specifically an HS-P02. No speakers on those. ;)
upupaepops, I stand corrected. :) As I haven't seen Iron Eagle in thirty years, I thought I remembered it as a Citizen (can't recall the model number) that had two speakers on the back and had a similar colour enclosure.
Nahhhh....you folks missed it when that missile stopped off @ the local Chevron to refuel!👍😃🤣🤣🤣🤣
U gotta do those "Iron Eagle" movies
That's the first thing I thought of.. then laughed uncontrollably.... Mover would never be able to make it through the first 2min... FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, Fake, FAKE so on an so on ROFL
Chappy!
How dare you! The Iron Eagle movies are national treasures!
I sure he'll find iron eagle to be more of a documentary than cinematic genius. But I'd certainly love to get his take. 😉
Complete BS is the short summary. Even 20 years back as a 15 year old I could figure that out.
And Owen yelling out no when the pilot is shot in the head would be a huge NO-NO totally alerted bad guys to his presence
@Kyle Reese I would have never left him behind like that I would have fireman carried his ass outta there
@@MMACHMP Yeah, when he did I was like wtf, seeing as they just got SHOT down too
Something has to trigger the chase and rest of the movie.
Would be cool if you could break down that F-16 video, comms/maneuvers and such
This, please!
What would you like to know?
Lack of realism aside, Behind Enemy Lines is one of my favorite films.
Flight of the Intruder would be a good one.
Great book too. Written by a former Naval Aviator, Stephen Coonts. Flight Of The Intruder is actually the first book in a long series... great read though.
Great movie. Even greater book series by Steven coonts former naval aviater
Actually, Flight of the Intruder was pretty accurate for the most part. Thought it was a great movie.
And Flight of the Navigator while you're at it!
"Iron hand is my shit man"
They were conducting an no fly zone over Bosnia, same route every day.
And not expecting someone to engage them with SAM.
That was a different incident that involved an F-117 same war though.
@@latoyamcdonald4444
F-117 was shot down in 1999 during a Kosovo War, F-16 was shot down in 1995 during the wars following the breakup of SFR Yugoslavia. Different wars
Damn that F16 footage is intense - anyone else tense up a little watching it?
The full video is 9 minutes long, about 3 minutes if him dodging 6 Sam's. If I remember right there's a climps of a telephone poles size missile flying right in front of him.
Mover should definitely got over that one with explanations.
Anyone have the original link for that?
@@watchinyourback295 you can just RUclips it.
@@TomP-148 thank you Captain Obvious. I meant for someone to post the link.
I watched this movie with my best friend when I was young, we were huge into fighter jets as young boys often are, and I loved it. Now, this might be a bit of nostalgia blinding me, even though I can see the flaws of it more now, I still like it. Especially the chase scene, which I watched again entirely just now, and even with the knowledge that the missiles have infinite fuel, it's 1000% riveting. Because they had a real jet flying through a real valley, it doesn't matter how fake the missiles are, it feels visceral. At the end of the day, it's a movie, not a training video on what to do if you get targeted in a fighter jet by a SAM site, so I can forgive a lot of those flaws.
I saw Mover Ruins Movies and clicked so fast my finger was moving at Mach 1.4 when it hit the mouse button...
Poor little mouse.
Don't worry, the mouse saw me coming, did a hard break and shot me in the face with a heater...
did you miss and come back for another shot at clicking.. like unlimited fuel missiles do?
I was on the Vinson when they filmed it. Actually I'm in one of the scenes, but literally just for a few seconds. Have some friends that were in some longer shots. The Super Hornet flying footage was cool. It was fun to be part of the making of it, but I never liked this movie. They used real USMC Huey's when they did the shots on the boat and then switched to a mix of other Huey variants for the scenes on land. I always think it's lame when movies makers think no one will notice the aircraft switch. CVNs don't normally have Huey's onboard, so I enjoyed working with them. I guess no one cares except the people that care about that stuff, lol.
That’s pretty cool
It is cool that you got to be part of a movie... but you're also right that the movie sucked ass. Not the worst ever, but not worth watching twice, unfortunately. There's so much room to make great movies in this genre, and it almost never happens. Hollywood is run by idiots who hate America.
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 Well said!
CAG-7/11. We were a west coast squadron stationed on the east coast and attached to CVN-70 at the time. Good times.
“But you became a WSO” 🤔
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Pilots treat wso like a office boss treats his secretary, pretty disgusting.
WSO dont really do much
@@turnermkvmi08 Are you a WSO right?
@@turnermkvmi08 I fly F-16s for the Royal Netherlands Air Force
@@turnermkvmi08 thats fucking savage
Well in all fairness, one is called the AC, right?
Love this new series! I think Behind Enemy Lines is very entertaining. The beginning of the movie, what you covered here, is the best part of the movie. Nothing will ever take the place of the Tomcat in my heart, but this movie puts the Hornet up there close.
I know your expertise probably doesn't cover dogfighting UFOs, but please do Independence Day!😁
Your videos are great and we learn alot from you. It really tells that the job of a fighter pilot and the threats he faces in real world are far more greater than what we see in movies. But what I learnt from your videos that WSO does not have much work in the jets then why they are used? I mean single seater jets are better this way.
MASTER ARM on the catapult... seems legit. 👍🤣
6:55 lol WSO s ARE Expendables to you lol they are good at dialing the ILS course for you
Good afternoon from a Britain free of Europe 😂🇬🇧
Freedom :)))
Congratulations
Hi, i would like to mention something, the real incident took place with f16, call code was Bash. The SAM battery was made in the Soviet era, and the commander of that unit played a smart move against the f16. There was a single pilot, and he made it out alive.
"and obviously you wouldn't be dogfighting the missile."
You. Don't. Know. Me. LOL
Additionally, thank you for explaining the Ejection process to put it in a good perspective. Not many people understand just how intense it is. One last thing I forgot to critique: the black box is part of the aircraft, not the seat, so the whole plot twist for the end of the movie is BS. Love, A friendly neighborhood Rocket Chair Repairman.
The thing he’s recovering isn’t the black box though is it?!
The black box is purely recording flight data. He recovered the hard drive the reconnaissance camera was recording to.
For some reason, I thought carrier qualifications went hand in hand with flying the Hornet. What is required to move on to carrier qualifications and why didn't you pursue it?
I believe he transferred to the Navy from the Air Force. So he didn't start as a Naval Aviator, hence no carrier experience.
@@Rock7132 I think he was in the Navy reserves. I guess only the Fleet Squadrons do Carquals.
He was in guard unit and then he had kidney disease so he only flew for a year in navy but technically less than a year since he was arguing with waivers etc since it has the first year. He ended up back in air Force flying the T38 aggressor squadron roll.
@Mars Exulte Well said. I flew CF-18 Hornets in Canada for 10 years (1,200 hours, including part-time on staff tours). Never once did any Canadians fly off carriers, except for a few who went on Exchange with the USN and got carrier qualified. Aircraft type does not equal carrier qualification.
Mars Exulte Many countries do fly Hornets and as such DO get their Carrier Quals. I remember having several Canadian Forces pilots getting their time in when I was abroad the Ike. Makes sense when you think about how we’re in the Middle East and they may need somewhere closer than base to get too because of fuel issues etc.
I enjoyed watching the RFMDS footage at Nellis AFB, Red Flag back in the 80's. Saw some interesting safety videos. An F-4 merging with an F-16 and they clipped wings. The F-16 lost its right wing, pilot ejected and was ok. The F-4 Flew back to Nellis with slight damage. Also the Engagement tapes from the SAM/AAA sites was amazing. Especially explaining to an A-6 pilot how he got toasted by a AAA with the cross hairs locked onto his helmet for 4 seconds as the gun was firing.
I was a Marine on the USS Kearsarge when Scott O'Grady was rescued. That was a good day.
I could just imagine real pilots seeing this for the first time thinking, “So we dog fighting missiles now”
You should do another mover ruins movie but do The movie “The final countdown dogfight f14 vs Japanese zero
Oh yes
Yeah, I enjoyed this movie too. Incidentally, the production was sued be Scott O'Grady for using story elements without his permission. But, yeah, I remember the scene with the missiles and thinking "what kind of missiles are those that pull all of those maneuvers?" Former SAM operator here and remember how our missiles pretty much ended their boost phase within a few seconds and would coast in a ballistic trajectory after that. Although they did have guidance, but we were told that they had at most one turn in them.
When Owen Wilson is getting dressed down, I thought I was watching a remake of Top Gun.
Love "Mover Ruins Movies." Subscribed!
That's like a shtick of military movies, where the hero is a bad-ass who's always getting dressed down by his superiors, same with a lot of cop movies.
The real F16 footage was actually more thrilling than the scene from the movie. I could feel the pilot's anxiety whoa.
God, this movie suffers *hard* from '90s editing. That entire opening where we get the actor credit roll and all that is just nothing but FAST CUT FAST CUT RAPID PAN RAPID PAN
It's a real product of its era and I think it's just dumb enough for me to love it
As someone who has burned in on a parachute at 80MPH I can tell you that time doesn’t slow down. However that hard drive (brain) saves every last bit of information during what you perceived the final moments. Day to day your brain can’t process and save that much info so it’s making all types of judgements to fill in the data.
I have trouble telling you what happened last week but I can damn well sure tell you how that grass smelled laying there with a broken pelvis and lower back. (I’m fully recovered BTW, save 16 inches of permanent hardware)
I hope you didn't lose anything important.
Marshall Thompson what I gained that day vastly outnumbers anything I lost :)
Stackhouse survived the head shot because he became a lawyer in NYC. Suits told me so😂
No no no, that was his evil tween.
Haven't seen the movie in a long time. Didn't like it. Jet moving at high speed finally, after prolonged aviation looses the battle against the hyper capable missile. Crashes. Bad guy from the launch site DRIVES out over rough terrain and shoots the pilot very shortly after the impact. What? They were circling the launch site the whole time? That's one fast SUV with a great GPS.
Top Secret U.S. Military update: Fantasy missles now online. Repeat, Mutant Hellfire rocket activated. Activation affirmed. Mission: Classified.
It's interesting to read about how awards were given during the Vietnam war. I had a brief correspondence with the son of Captain Henry Halleland who was my uncle's XO and then CO of the VF-114. He received multiple awards of the DFC primarily for dodging the SA-2 while flying for the VF-114. When I was reading about Robin Olds, he described dodging the SA-2 as very easy and Business As Usual / all in a day's work.
Looks like the captain of the USS Alabama didn’t retire after all
/Crimson Tide
Outstanding movie
For that matter, have you ruined the "Independence Day?"
@CWLemoine - could you do a review of “The Battle of Britain”? Not exactly modern, but I think you’d like it. Same with the Charlton Heston film “The Battle of Midway”
When a missile misses,does it simply explode or just fall out of the sky and land as a dud?
I believe they can be command detonated by the launch site controller... you wouldn't want them landing on your own country and stuff. That was the case over North Vietnam.
it has a failsafe where it explodes after a certain max distance
@@otstoia Peace, Hell... Bomb Hanoi!
I think to this day, the only jet that can outpace a missile is the SR-71, even with all modern technologies, the SR-71 was still faster. Maybe today's non-human pilot Scramjet can outrun missiles.
I was was talking to a young man who wanted to be a fighter pilot but has less than perfect vision and so assumed he wasn't qualified. I got to use your motto: "Make them tell you no" and encouraged him to apply and gave him your channel.
and than get a shitty mos for 8 years when most of them fail. only 1 to 2 % become pilots the rest are fucked out luck.
I must have watched this epic sequence a million times now. It never get's old and is yet to be bettered. Screw the realism.
Mover ruins movies needs to do "Into the Sun". Lots of F-16 and Mirage scenes.
Makes no sense, once an officer has completed their terms of service they can resign their commissions. They don't need approval by anybody. If anything they transfer to to the IRR.
I loved this movie, I do remember in the theater thinking to myself "those are some damn efficient missiles" Cant go wrong with real jet footage and Gene Hackman is always fun to watch
Correct me if I’m wrong but when the doors opened on the launcher that would have pinged him with radar to lock on. Once the missile fired the heat seeker in the missile takes over so the launcher couldn’t have been tracked with an anti- radar missile. Missile fired, launcher radar shuts off.
I've always loved that Iraq footage - maybe you could break that down? That'd be interesting.
I feel like they all have unlimited fuel in DCS........could just be me the "pilot"
Man that real SAM movie was kind of nerv wracking. You could hear the fear in the pilots voice :O
It's a great movie except for the fact the hero is always begging for a bullet but the villain and the bad guys couldn't aim once. Yet I really enjoyed this film.
can you please do a video on that clip of the guy dodging sams in real life and just break it down as much as you can
Luke Wilson, might want to retire after going through all the stuff he went through in this movie. That might be enough for a lifetime. Lol. He'd prob want to get a little R&R, or maybe not. #Wow
I’d like to get your analysis on JAG. There’s lots of material there.
I loved the movie, but I wasn’t so sure about the missile scene.
I actually love this movie lmao and the cinematography was sick!
This movie was loosely based on a real event though, pretty sure. Not the missile fuel, of course.
hi, i have a suggestion for the next reaction film. it's "R2B : Return to Base" it's korean movie. maybe you can react to that film on the next video.
Just a movie to further tarnish the Serbs. Scott o grady Says nobody was pursuing him
Le Chevalier Du Ciel please! Would love to see your take on that one. Or even Stealth, hahahaha!
In Yugoslavia a 'stealth' F-117 caught a "golden bb" as the pilots called it. Though google calls it a S-125. Put enough triple A up there and you're bound to hit something eventually.
Oh yes please! The movie's international name is Sky Fighters. Best flying scenes I've ever seen in a movie!
Yes, ditto on the French fighter pilot's movie. It has:
1. Actual Mirage flying scenes
2. Babes...I think just about every woman in the movie was fine.
3. Cool panoramic shots of what I assume are the French Alps.
4. Bad guys get done in.
5. Did I mention it has babes?
@@notthatdonald1385 the Battery commander and the pilot actually met in 2011. They reportedly developed a friendship. The Battery commander trained his unit to turn on their systems for 17 seconds, and only picked up the Nighthawk when it's weapons doors were opened. Pretty cool, story, except for the fact we never attempted to put ordinance on the wreckage, and the Serbs sent sections of the aircraft to Russia and China. I was in Bosnia as a member of an ADA unit when this happened. Camp Comanche. C Btry 4/5 ADA, 1st Cavalry Divison.
So the football on the flight deck, they tried it, and the catapult obliterated the football. So, to make the scene they had to throw the football off the ship and into the wind
That is a terrible movie, he literally runs across an open field with an armored company firing at him with nothing in the way and nobody hits him!!
The shooters are called storm troopers and plot armor can do that for a character.
@@orlock20 haha I was going to say exactly this!
Not to mention the mine field, and the shoot out at the end...
Have you got experience running from people shooting at you? Sounds like you know a lot about getting shot at irl
Real guns aren't like the ones you use in games where you can snipe someone with an AK with 100% accuracy from like 2000m away. There's a reason why AK's and other assault rifles are equipped with ACOG's and other short-medium range sights and not a 4-16X scope.
IRL assault rifles are only dead accurate at close to medium ranges, but they spread a lot after about 1500-2000m not to mention you have gravity to calculate. Shooting targets in real life is different from your experience in games.
@@_spooT dude they arent just civilians shooting, they're trained soldiers.. duhh
Why you send Hueys to attack an armored group when you an send cobras?
I just hit the like button on your videos before even watching them anymore cause I already know they're gonna be good lol.
Seriously, great video man! Thx
it really takes something special to look like a doofus in a flight suit and mask like Owen Wilson does
Can another F-18 pilot ever be acting WSO in the backseat for a particular mission or training?
@@turnermkvmi08 Yeah. Not that I have much to add (not a fighter pilot) but when I went through the screening for fighter pilot I got a yes for pilot but not for Air Combat Officer (guy in the back seat). So based on that I've assumed being an ACO requires more.
Don't ruined Maverick please. I haven't see yet 😢
“Nothing good can come from Thailand”...
As an internet citizen, true, especially about the ladyboys.
As a tourist who’s been, I disagree.
But, y’know what, it’s content, it’s humorous, I love the content and the channel. Rock on man, keep doing whatcha do🤘🏽
That Desert Storm video always gives me chills.
You should do "Iron Eagle" and "Iron Eagle 2". Those both are some great fighter pilot movies👌🏿
Wouldn't a WSO still have some flight training, be able to take the stick in an emergency (eg 20mm to pilots balls). Otherwise what, WSO just smiles for the camera as the plane goes down or ejects?
There’s no stick in the back.
It's been a looong time since I watched this movie, but you've just made me realise that even GTAV Online's more accurate than this! You can buy jet fighters in the game, and you get some right bar stewards who grief the living s*** out of each other. Missile wise I find it far more easy to out maneuver locks in a fighter by doing hard turns and zig-zagging. Once the missile loses its lock in the game that's it, but you tend to get overwhelmed if you're being locked by multiple missiles. You might be able to out maneuver two or even three missiles in the game, but rarely four or more.
F15 vs MIG29 from R2B . Thank you .
"He wants to fly for a rockstar, he is a wizzo though.."
*womp* *woooomp* *wooooooooomp*
Surprised you didn't catch the VMFAT-101 Sharpshooters bird in the background. They wouldn't be on a combat cruise.
What is exactly the time?
Thanks for MST300ing it. I think the scene that stands out in my mind was when he stops the pickup truck and meets Elvis. I enjoyed the movie.
I think the movie was trash there are soo many times he would have died in otherwords hollywood ruined it
34 people obviously believe movies are 1000000% realistic