Couple of notes: 1) The demos at Zhuhai this year were flown by Sergey Bogdan, Sukhoi chief test pilot, aged 62. He's a legend, but age is slowing him down. Slightly. 2) The plane flown is an older T-50 prototype (specifically, T-50-7 [057 Blue]), so there's a lot of stuff that isn't here that is on a production Su-57. Sukhoi brought two prototypes down to show off - T-50-4 (Blue 054) on static display and T-50-7 (Blue 057) for flying. 3) The prototypes have 2.5d (angled 2D thrust vectoring, but the production models have new full 3D vectoring engines. We know this because they brought a couple of the engines down to show off too. Source: I was literally in Zhuhai Friday traipsing through the airshow. Hell of a time. Very fun. Would recommend.
Just a 61 year old armchair pilot here, i can remember when the MiG-29s and Su-27s debuted at airshows here in the UK. Their wing/body blending aesthetic and maneuvers i hadnt seen by any western aircraft were awesome to see though regardless of the practical applications in actual combat.
yes, and they still have that beautiful aesthetic. but in combat they have so far proven inept against western fighters. The Mig29 is all but out of production with few countries still operating them for example.
@@SoloRenegade сколько было реальных боёв су-27 и миг 29 с западными самолётами??? В Югославии когда пара миг 29 полетела на встречу армаде из сотен самолётов? Или в Ираке 10 миг 29 против сотен самолётов западной коалиции ???
Impractical manoeuvres at airshows are used to demonstrate the capabilities of the aircraft. They are not necessarily made to demonstrate actual combat manoeuvres.
Other video that pilot his age 62 age, and he came without a big team. He made everything himself.And the most surprising thing is that he landed in China and got out of the jet fighter without wearing a G suit, just wearing a tactical jacket,He is an experienced pilot who has flown various aircraft.
he actually hop a couple of airport to get to zhuhai. imagine being the chinese airport ground crew watching a SU57 randomly pull up to the tarmac for refuelling... xD that's actually where some of the close in video are from...
Guys, the thing you all did not know? Mention? is that when Sergi (the test pilot) stepped out of the plane he had no g suit or anything, just slacks and a decent t shirt and his helmet.. Sergi is 62, and the test pilot for Suhoi.. Also this is the 2nd aircraft built, and is actually a T-50. The production Su-57s are quite different - different engines and stealth baffles over and beneath the engine nozzles. He flew the plane from Moscow with one stop and no support or maintenance crew.
@@gdiwolverinemale4th the second plane was for the presentation of the new engine, and the presentation of the plane itself to potential future buyers. the show was private
@@specc_s1452 Sukhoi definitely does not share its organizational details with me, but I find the idea a prototype of an airplane would fly 10,000 miles to an air show somewhat far-fetched
Gonky got smoked by an Su30 during BFM training when that sukohoi pulled a J-turn during a one circle fight, and there's a video of it. So yeah there's a practical use with all those high-alpha fancy maneuvers that people called "not practical"
Pretty sure he was referencing the kvochurs bell specifically having no practical use in combat. It looks cool but its effectiveness in any scenario is dubious at best. I don’t think anyone will argue with high alpha capability being useful in dogfight scenarios.
@@RenesisActual It's not meant for combat, but meant to show off that capability. Cobra and bell could be translated into a useful combat maneuver. J turn for example is a nasty move and from a plane that has the yaw authority as the felon(thanks to its 3d vectoring), it's a deadly AF.
I am so touched by their arguments about applicability in real combat, about the combat situation... And these are guys from the air force of a country that, since the days of Yugoslavia and Iraq, has not dealt with at least any air defense system, let alone air battles. How much arrogance from the parade warriors, the whole service was to patrol and escort.. Guys, envy doesn't make you look good.
Yeah. I would take the words and experience of a Ukrainian pilot over them FR. Those guys and the Russian pilots have actual REAL modern warfare experience. It;s the Ukrainians who should be training the US pilots but their ego probably wouldn't allow that.
false. US dealt with air defense in Vietnam, Desert Storm, Syria, and more. 1991 saw the US destroy the worlds densest air defense network on planet earth in about a week with 4th gen aircraft. and US aircraft are penetrating Iran, Syrian, etc. air defenses with impunity today. All of the top russian fighters have been shot down in droves in combat over the decades (Mig29, Su-27, Su-30, Su-34, etc), and su-57 have also already been destroyed in combat.
The Mover guy is a bit jealous. He knows this plane is awesome. It is only a 10 year old prototype : T 50. We can only imagine what the SU 57 fitted with new engine could be able to do. Bogdan is something else.
To the Mover antirussian guy some info... First of all this a prototype T-10, one of the earliest ever made, this jet has assembled and reassembled so many times for testing purposes and thats why you can see some parts not looking good, its been used only for testing and air-shows and its one of the 2 prototype T-10s(out of 10 prototypes or so) that Sukhoi still owns for their own testing and demonstrations. The Russians for obvious reasons they did not want to send an active production Su-57s which btw they are around 30+ active production ones. Secondly, it does have 3D thrust vectoring, the T-50 and the serial production series Su-57s until now are using the same engine from the Su-35, the AL-41F1, according to Rostec most likely in 2025 they will delivered the first Su-57s with the new 5th gen second state engine AL-51 that has even greater thrust, it is lighter, better fuel consumption, has longer life cycle and its futures a significant reduced in thermal and radar signature. Third, I dont know why this Mover guy complains about the maneuvers, this is an air-show, what do you expect a crowd to see, a BVR demonstration and how good the radar works? And last fourth, no way the F-22 cant match this kind of manoeuvrability and I have seen most of the F-22s air-shows. So before you do a reaction video, at least do a decent research so you wont get embarrassed by your lack of knowledge and the bias BS statements.
the F-22 and F-15EX can match the maneuverability. But none of that matters in a BVR fight. The Ukraine Patriot battery was able to detect the Su-57 from beyond patriot missile range, thus it's not a stealth aircraft at all, and can be detected and shot down BVR. The fact it's a prototype doesn't matter. prototypes are meant to be representative test beds of the real thing. how can you teste a stealth, that's not a stealth? Su-57 have already been lost in the Ukraine war. Literally every model of russian fighter in existence today has an abysmal combat record against western 4th gen fighters and air defenses. they lack the sophisticate technological capabilities of the west, always have. They can't produce advanced electronics in russia, and have imported American chips to build their stuff. Mover complains about the maneuver, becasue like every other russian fighter, it's flashy, but useless maneuver in actual combat. US pilots don't fly nor fight solo. so while that maneuver might throw off or threaten a fighter, his wingman would just then shoot the defenseless Su-57 hanging in the air and save his wingman. even F-22 pilots stopped using such maneuvers in visual merged dogfights as they found them to be useless.
@@SoloRenegade Whats your source on su-57 being detected by patriot? You said 'Su-57 have already been lost in the Ukraine war' - when?where? Im pretty sure internet would explode from this sort of news.. 'Mover complains about the maneuver, becasue like every other russian fighter, it's flashy, but useless maneuver in actual combat.' Like the man said... its an air-show ... I bet you hed be praising and not complaining not one bit if it was f35s and f22s making them. Mover just bring an image of a 'bad loser' to me.
So in saying that no way a F22 can't match this maneuverability, is that F22 does match this maneuverability? Really any clean GEN4/GEN5 jet still in service offers up an impressive display. You can go find videos of clean Hornets, Super Hornets, F15EX variants, etc, etc putting on a display, and if you read the comments they're full of people saying things like, "holy chit I didn't know they could do that!" or "I didn't know that plane had thrust vectoring capabilities." (when said plane doesn't have thrust vectoring) The real question is how can these aircraft maneuver when setup with real world, combat loadouts.?.?
@@SoloRenegade All stealth aircraft can be detected on radar. If a radar track has the radar cross section of a duck, but is moving at mach 1.5, what kind of conclusion are you going to come to? The point of stealth is to minimise cross section in those frequency bands used for guiding missiles. We're pretty fortunate that the only times Soviet designed aircraft have gone up against Western aircraft is, what - Iraq? The Iraqi military in Desert Storm was a joke. Taking that down is not something to brag about. "Su-57 have already been lost in the Ukraine war. Literally every model of russian fighter in existence today has an abysmal combat record against western 4th gen fighters and air defenses. they lack the sophisticate technological capabilities of the west, always have. They can't produce advanced electronics in russia, and have imported American chips to build their stuff." - you got sources for these claims or what? When I worked in Russia there was a microchip factory which produces chips for military use on the scale required for mobile phones, so I already know that one is false.
@@SoloRenegade do you really believe in that ukrainian statement about detecting Su-57?) And wtf are you talking about lost Su57 in Ukraine? Where did you take this info?
Calm down buddy. They d know everything about it if they where still active duty. Mover & Gonky both retired years ago✌🏽 if you were an airline pilot: Would you get up everyday and study red air? No you wouldnt 😉
@@MH-lh1bfDude almost every DCS player knows this stuff , so real pilots especially if they make such videos should educate themselves . Just use Google , 5 minutes of work .
@@MH-lh1bfnot active duty, but their new gig with YT revolves around their supposed "up to date" knowledge of military aircraft and flight/fight tactics in the air.
You can be Patriotic and proud of your own airplanes, but at least be objective and non biased as an "Expert" . This Mover guy sounds like he hates anything Russian without knowing why exactly. I'm sure this guy voted for Kamala
Mover : Watch this landing! Gonky : Wow, dude, yeah. That was just fun. A couple of dudes enjoying a machine and the skill of the pilot. Just a few minutes of escape from the day to day grind. No politics, no over the top hype. Airshows are awesome. Thanks gents.
01:24 is this guy for real?! It's an AIRSHOW not a combat scenario! The "practical application" is to show the maneuverability of the aircraft and entertain the public...
two Americans cooking in their own nostalgic sauce with a touch of envy! Keep it up guys! Russian war pilots have the most up to date and direct experience in the world right now, if you add to this a good airplane... you know 😉
They'd die by the dozens on day 1 if this conflict spilled over. Had it been the US invading Ukraine they would've established near total air supremacy over the bulk of the country in less than 100 hours. Russia has absolutely failed to accomplish this feat after nearly 3 years. They can only maintain limited superiority over select portions of the front lines. The USAF would utterly destroy the VKS, don't fool yourself into thinkin' otherwise.
@@FraserFir-sb4lk The United States bases its experience against a regular army on the “heroics” of Vietnam. What you write here is based on the Hollywood experience 😅
These guys never value anything that isn't American. If the f22 does the same maneuvers it's fantastic but if a Russian fighter does it they'll question what the practical use is. Double standard.
@@davidrobert7180 because those 32 countries are inidividual volenteers and arms support, and most volenteers already leave Ukraine after the first two years. they ain't sending their unit in like the middle east.
It's a su-57. YF-22 --> F-22 X-35 --> F-35 T-50 --> Su57 prototypes are supposed to be well made, hand crafted, high quality representations of their production counterparts. if the prototype isn't stealth, how can you know teh production model is? If you didn't test RAM and such on teh prototype, then how can you know the production model will? It's just a cope from Russia worshippers.
I am in a cave in Africa with my star link internet and a few Pet lions guarding the cave entrance watching this video with my chilled Heineken in my hands. This SU - 57 pilot amazed everyone around the world, except for a few sceptics. Bravo to the super performance.
As an aviation enthusiast I don't really care for people's saltiness on a Russian airplane over their political bias. Su-57 is a great plane and when you put that in the hands of a great pilot it is destined to produce awesome results. It's an air show and this is what exactly what they are going to showcase. It's true that F-22 is still cool and deadly but that shouldn't prevent us from appreciating something else that's awesome.(sorry Mover, but lighten up a little bit mate 😛) For me when it comes to tech - it doesn't matter where the origin is. There's a reason why people still love Tiger tanks, FW-109s and Japanese Zeros from WW2.
@@user-di5rm9ee1p yeah, I too heard that he wasn't wearing a G suit. He's definitely a pro and this airshow stunts must have been a cakewalk for him. Anyway I'm still glad both Mover and Gonky appreciating a fellow pilot on his capabilities like gentlemen.
nope. Russian aircraft lack sophisticated avionics, as we've seen in Ukraine. the Su-57 was picked up by patriot outside Patriot missile range (not stealth). Maneuverability counts for nothing in BVR fights. Russian aircraft have all proven inept in actual combat and lack advanced capabilities.
Mover is acting like a jealous friend that can’t admit you’re better than him in a sport. That plane is absolutely awesome in its capabilities and will give any and all of our fighters fits after the merge.
Yeah... Even experienced traditionally trained pilot like Mover sometimes struggles to grasp the practical applications of supermaneuvrability. Oh well..
@@hippoace He did, or rather he mainly flew the viper but also he did get some time on the hornet when he was on exchange with the US Navy, so he flew both
I think his point was more that it's not super useful in a modern combat space. Even Gonky seemed to indicate that its mostly useful in a gun fight. But in modern times, when you can shoot missiles at planes behind you or shoot at planes well past the horizon, I'm not sure how often you're going to get a chance to use guns. Whoever gets the first good missile shot off is likely going to be the victor. Especially when preventing friendly fire is so much easier with the way modern US fighters communicate with each other and allies (ie don't need physical confirmation before firing, a la Vietnam).
When you're being targeted by a true stealth fighter from BVR or AA missiles like Patriot, it's pretty useless. If you're in a Vietman era dogfight, sure, it's useful.
@@TC2290-wh5cb In fact, it is much more useful in long-range air combat. With increasing altitude, the air loses density and the control surfaces become less efficient. How long will it take for the viper to turn 180 degrees at an altitude of 10km and at a speed of 1M? About 20 seconds. This is the time it takes for a rocket to fly 20-30 km, you just don't have time to get away from the impact. How long will the Su-30/35/57 take? Judging by a recent video from the C-70, 5 seconds for 135 degrees, and 6 for 180. This is a completely different matter, you can launch all the missiles at a distance of 150% of the hit, turn around almost instantly and leave. Due to the Doppler effect and stealth, you will be almost impossible to notice
I think Gonky said it. These airshow maneuvers are just that. If you're in a fight, being slow at 1g isn't good period. It's how these things apply in real fights that's important like high alpha, high rates, etc
Uh, did you miss what Mover said about the impressive nose authority of the Su-57? Did you miss the follow-on comment where he said that having good nose authority is useful in combat?
The only thing that matters in new jets is who has nose on and can lock, if u are behind this thing hauling ass then it hits the j turn and ends up behind you, you are fked
They do it to get sales. Like when the F-14 and F-15 flew off for the Shah of Iran. The F-14 won because it moved its wings around and did an epic show.
Nose authority and a good thrust vectoring short range missile like the aim9x. With that manoeuvrability, speed, very good energy potential (twin powerful engines), and good missiles SRM, MRM, LRM, you will dictate the fight, you will always have that option to exit or to finish the fight to your advantage.
Guys, This is actually NOT a Su-57. It’s a late model T-50 Prototype, hence the slightly smokey engines and rough finish of the body (which has gotten alot of coverage) Russia is using it as a demo unit. Obviously the Su-57’s are ‘busy’ elsewhere
It's a su-57. YF-22 --> F-22 X-35 --> F-35 T-50 --> Su57 prototypes are supposed to be well made, hand crafted, high quality representations of their production counterparts. if the prototype isn't stealth, how can you know teh production model is? If you didn't test RAM and such on teh prototype, then how can you know the production model will? It's just a cope from Russia worshippers.
The problem is that manned fighters are rapidly becoming obsolete. They would be completely obsolete by now if the US Airforce decision makers weren’t all ex fighter pilots who won’t accept the idea. Just like WW2 Admirals had to watch expensive battle ships become irrelevant floating targets before they got the idea.
расскажи это пилотам на Украине.... так же говорили и про артиллерию (что устаревшее и т.п.), которая сейчас решает основные вопросы на поле боя на Украине (да и Израиль тоже не списывает ее из своих арсеналов войны)..... дело не в "пилотируемости" или нет, а в ТЕХНОЛОГИЯХ БОЯ и ВЕДЕНИЯ ВОЙНЫ.... По большому счету можно вообще обходится без ЧИСТО ВОЕННОЙ ТЕХНИКИ, если КРЕАТИВНО К ВОЙНЕ ПОДХОДИТЬ
The F22 lost in close combat to the French Rafale. And of course the F22 cannot do the same thing as a fighter with a 3D thrust vector. I am not criticizing the American fighter now, but it is a fact.
Yeah but like all meaningful combat is like bvr, in any case in dogfights depending on the plane ofc , pilot is more important than plane . In a 1v1 f-22 clears rafale 90% of the time , two pilots of equal skill I would put my money on the su-57 , but bvr ofc would be raptor
It is always a question, is it a TVC engines or not, is it 2D or 3D? Well, the single engine on the Su-57 is 2D, but its pivot point is rotated by 36 degrees. A pair of these two engines together supply the 3D thrust vectoring. Because instead of the Raptor, where the nozzles are only moving up and down and only together, in this russian method, they are moving up/out and down/in, in a V-shape way, but even individually as well. So besides of the pitch, it could controll the roll and yaw effect as well. In raw term, the true 3D TVC was the American F-18 HARV (originated from the X-31), the F-16 MATV, the McDD F-15 ACTIVE and the russian RD-33 and AL-31 KliVT. In these engines, the nozzle was a fully axi-symmetrical 3D vectored, while Victor Chepkin-designed AN-100 nozzle is just a 2D one. However, this AN-100 was easier to applied on the AL-31F and later on the AL-41F-1S, than the fully 3D solution. The only disadvantage of the AN-100, it could not provide a 3D thrust vectoring alone. But since there is no TVC controlled single engine russian tactical fighter, this is not a case anymore.
This is the T-50 prototype not the Su-57, and the engines are the same as the Su-35 Al-41, the new engines are still in development and should be more powerful and not smoky as the old engines. The F-22 was made in the 90s, I don't think it's fair to compare with 2020s jet, that has all the moder features. And 100% better than an F-35 in my Hamble opinion😊
@@PfizerRN_NavyReserveCaptain the fight is never 1 vs. 1, its not DCS. You have support, intelligen and a lot of variables in any fight, the Russians have good avionics and EW on their fighters, don't underestimate you adversary. We just don't know what will happen when they will meet, if I want to fight, I want to fight with 10 to 1 ratio, and that's where the Russians have a problem, not the fighters.
Hey Mover/Gonky. I have a thought about the "Top Gun: Maverick" manoeuvres. I don't think the movie guessed that the aircraft could do - as Mover alludes to. I think the Russian test pilot is imitating what Hollywood's CGI did but the aircraft could do in real life - which is very impressive. Also, there was one "Dogfights" episode where a USAAF P-51D pilot was being chased by a Me-109 and he pulled the stick into his stomach and "full left rudder" which made the enemy aircraft behind him overshoot. He stalled and had to recover for the Su-57 - as Gonky says - can get nose authority and perhaps gain enough distance for a heat-seeker lock. Besides, in the airshows I've been to, you even see B777's and A330s doing shit they wouldn't do in real life.
I love the stories about Tupolev, he was kinda the Russian Kelly Johnson. There's a story about how he was walking past someone else's scale model of a plane they were designing and Tupolev just points at a part on the fuselage ands goes "It will break here" and keeps walking. And, yup, when they got to testing it, it did indeed break there. Dunno if actually true, but it's a nice story.
1) its got full 3D vectoring. 2) the smoke is supposed to be there. Show me any other plane doing the exact moves with high Gs, rapid accel and stops, different turbulence and air intakes etc not having a smoke? it doesnt exist. When it flies in a straight line, or does basic maneuvering, it doesn't smoke. 3) there's a see through the airplane visibility feature just like in the F35.
Все эти манёвры могут быть применены в Ближнем бою. Вся суть заключается в том что самолëт прощает ошибки неумелого пилота. Чем больше ваш самолëт может в воздухе тем выше шансы на победу. Такой самолëт может легко расправится в Ближнем бою сразу с двумя вражескими самолëтами
that case when you drive a car with a six hundred horsepower engine, at the speed allowed by law, but those around you have no illusions about the capabilities of your car
I love LEVCONs and supermaneuverability in general, it's not much use but it's cool humans can make planes do this 120 years after the Wright brothers flight.
04:10 yes it has 3D vector thrust. It can pitch, roll and yaw. Otherwise the Topgun manoeuvre wouldn’t be possible, cause you need the yaw thrust to spin the aircraft in a post-stall state.
No, the Su-57 doesn't have true "3D" thrust vectoring. The only russian jet that had an actual 3D thrust vectoring system was the MiG-29OVT demonstrator. The TVC on the current Su-57 is the same as on the Flankers. It's pitch only like the Raptor but unlike the Raptor, the nozzles movement is angled and can also point in opposite directions. That allows the vectored thrust system not only on the Su-57 but also Flankers like the Su-35S and Su-30SM to generate some mixed roll and yaw torque/momentum. Any unwanted roll or yaw movement is cancelled and compensated by the aero control surfaces. Btw, this so called 3D thrust vectoring is not required at all if you want an aircraft that can do lots of high AoA maneuvers that require a lot yaw motion. The F-22 for instance has pitch only vectoring and does J-turns and pedal turns effortlessly all the time.
When I watched this SU -57 performance I had an instant flash that took me to the X 31 "Vector" Paris Air Show in 1995. Just watch X-31 : Breaking the chain : lessons learned.
What SU57? T50 research and test craft I was told. Now used for airshows. Closest thing to an su57, but not quite. Not millitairy grade. Hence the rough unpolished look we see in close up images. But that pilot, wow. Seems to be over sixty. Way past airforce retirement age. Still taking this stresses on his body like most will not endure in their prime. I know I signed up for rotorcraft. Went through the test. Then got assigned to the fighter program and said no ty. No rotor, then I am off. No fun passing out in that cetrifuge. Plus active duty is not like this. Here I could stay awake. On some missions. I know myself. I wake up slowly. Flying takes me into bore mode. And then one needs to be super sharp emdiatly of something demands so. Not for me. Glad I did not let myself be convinced. Had I gone in younger with less delf knowledge, I would have let me be pushed into the wrong seat. Plus I met Tom Cruise and he is a total sociopathic nutjob. As he showed on Letterman, laughing at him suffocating and braindamaging someone he was told to smugle in his plain. So a human traficker laughing about causing someone unneeded damage. FBI should pick that case up. They don't. So f them too. Ad all others that abducted, anesthecized that same person adding to damages for jobs he never signed up for. Our awesome American buds. Lord will judge them.
Wouldn't the purpose of that maneuver to demonstrate, that it can get out of it? If something happens, that the jet gets into a flat spin and having the means of getting out of it without ejecting is a good thing, isn't it? Pardon for my ignorance
Flying Brick with thrust vector technology... I think the Raptor or even the Super Hornet could kick its butt. I guess that would depend on its defensive radar and weapons systems
Can't tell if Mover there went on to be a critique or outright hate them? The maneuver has its application as Gonky said to point the nose on the enemy aircraft as soon as possible when the fight is within visual range, which is not entirely off the charts.
It’s an air show, man. They don’t have to show you the practicality. They’re showing the people there for the show, not American military, regardless what you think of it or not😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Not gonna lie, I don't see a point in judging aircraft from airshow demos. First - yeah, it's not a real combat situation and we do not see how good the weapons are. Second - it would be stupid to show the full extent of jet capabilities in an airshow for everyone (especially rivals) to know.
Mover doesn’t understand or does it like to admit I think it’s more the case that when the SU 57 does the Top Gun Maverick flip in the air mover goes what significance of that in combat a lot I think is the answer if you have got an aircraft behind you in a firing position or got that close for some reason with guns? You can do this manoeuvre move quickly out of the way the other aircraft will then fly by because it will not be able to do this manoeuvre and don’t give me no crap about the F22 can do this we know that. But the F-22 is not gonna get this close to an SU 57 to get into that one on one close call scenario so when the issue 57 does this manoeuvre it can then do the little spinner Rooney as it gains momentum again keep the nose on the aggressive aircraft which is now flown by it And pop off a missile. It’s that easy. I’m sorry I appreciate and thank you for your service Mr. Mover even though I’m not an American I’m from the UK but I respect all service men and women for the sacrifice and their service but this has real military significance in close combat manoeuvering. Yes you won’t be doing this sort of manoeuvering closer to the ground.
I love how Mover started to admit its badass after a bit hahahah. They are exactly right though, the important part is how good are the electronic systems and we really dont know, so if it has older less capable systems it will struggle to get close enough to even use the wild nose authority. I think its very close to an F-22 in its ability to do wild moves, but I have a feeling its weapon systems for BVR arent as capable as western stuff but im certainly not claiming to know that as any kind of fact. The plane itself is gorgeous to me, all Russian fighters look better than any other to me.
Given the amount of software and man hours required to develop it for something like the F-35, i doubt this has anything remotely close. As their multitude of destroyed S-400s and T-90 tanks shows, the RuZZians promise a lot, but it usually turns out to be lies and propaganda.
@TC2290-wh5cb that was my thinking too, the math just doesnt add up and I guarantee the radar cross section of it is "huge" compared to the F-22 or 35 too.
Вы чё дурачки🤡? Этот самолёт имеет и практическое применение именно благодаря манёврам, Су-57 доказал это в СВО, не одна американская, западная система ПВО не могла ничего поделать с Су-57, а наоборот Су-57 уничтожал все эти западные ПВО без напряга!🤣
A french journalist once interview an F16 pilot in the 80s or early 90s regarding the cobra of the mig and what would he do the pilot say he would eject 😂😂😂😂
The vertical stabilizers are so small because theyre all moving, unlike the f22 or f35 which have fixed vertical stabilizers with rudders. The tails on the su 57 are doing the work of tiny rudders on other planes, so theyre much smaller and make small movements for the same effect. Its less stealthy for an all moving surface but has better maneuverability so its a tradeoff. Being much smaller helps to make up some of the difference of being less stealthy.
если ваши F-35 такие скрытные, как вы хвастаетесь, то ЧТО ЖЕ ВЫ ИХ НА УКРАИНУ НЕ ПОСЫЛАЕТЕ, боитесь что ВАША РЕКЛАМНАЯ НЕВИДИМОСТЬ - ПИАР и работает только для СЛЕПОГО ПРОТИВНИКА
The biggest problem i have with airshow queen manoeuvres is that yes, nose authority is immense. But, you just traded in all of your airspeed. If you dont get the kill, you are 100% dead. Russian aircraft are always good at demonstrating the old "I already lost, let's try this thing instead" 😅 Plus, stealth?? Look at the body shape around the engines, and traditional exhaust nozzles. It's a missile magnet!!
So having immense nose authority means you trade in all your airspeed? Just because it's unbeatable in that regard doesn't mean it can't rate; it just means it has the option of that. And in the proper hands, that unparalleled capbility to turn xyz(yes, nothing comes close to that yaw authority), is incredibly deadly. And don't even talk about stealth. Nothing but wild guesses.
Mover, doesn't the wings of the SU-57, resemble those of the F-16XL? From what I read about the F-16XL, that it was superior the the Viper as is. What is your opinion.
Su 57 has 3d thrust vectoring. If it is long range warfare ofc no one will hesitate to choose a raptor, but up close if it's a dogfight I don't think it would be that of a simple choice.
The maneuver in the show may not be applicable in combat situation but remember, the objective of those maneuver is to show nose authority which can be superior in dogfight. Demo vs combat maneuver is totally different thing. stop being the guy who ' yeah looks cool, but what that does in combat'
That's not a Su-57 tho, that's just one of the two remaining T-50 prototypes that Sukhoi still owns, the other prototypes are in the possession of the Russian military now, along with the actual in service and deployable production models
It's got the RCS of an ancient Tomcat, the legs of an old F-250 pick up truck, and Russian avionics. I'm sane and not stupid. Which means I am thoroughly unimpressed by Russia's toy.
Couple of notes:
1) The demos at Zhuhai this year were flown by Sergey Bogdan, Sukhoi chief test pilot, aged 62. He's a legend, but age is slowing him down. Slightly.
2) The plane flown is an older T-50 prototype (specifically, T-50-7 [057 Blue]), so there's a lot of stuff that isn't here that is on a production Su-57. Sukhoi brought two prototypes down to show off - T-50-4 (Blue 054) on static display and T-50-7 (Blue 057) for flying.
3) The prototypes have 2.5d (angled 2D thrust vectoring, but the production models have new full 3D vectoring engines. We know this because they brought a couple of the engines down to show off too.
Source: I was literally in Zhuhai Friday traipsing through the airshow. Hell of a time. Very fun. Would recommend.
Just a 61 year old armchair pilot here, i can remember when the MiG-29s and Su-27s debuted at airshows here in the UK. Their wing/body blending aesthetic and maneuvers i hadnt seen by any western aircraft were awesome to see though regardless of the practical applications in actual combat.
yes, and they still have that beautiful aesthetic. but in combat they have so far proven inept against western fighters. The Mig29 is all but out of production with few countries still operating them for example.
The pilot flying this jet is 63 years old, so yeah.
If only we saw them at Airshows in the UK today..
I would love to see the Russian aircraft in person.
Mover is so salty 🧂🧂🧂😂😂😂
@@SoloRenegade сколько было реальных боёв су-27 и миг 29 с западными самолётами??? В Югославии когда пара миг 29 полетела на встречу армаде из сотен самолётов? Или в Ираке 10 миг 29 против сотен самолётов западной коалиции ???
Impractical manoeuvres at airshows are used to demonstrate the capabilities of the aircraft. They are not necessarily made to demonstrate actual combat manoeuvres.
Thanks Gonky for staying objective, shame Mover had a bad day.
Yeah like how do you act like High AoA isnt extremely usefull when combined with fox2's like R73M
It's awesome
Thank you Gonky for being realistic about it. Mover to me is like that 5 year old whose dad is the best with everything.
So many salty Ivan's in these comments.
@@TC2290-wh5cb Go back to your room, Mover
Ha. Mover has always been a jerk. Never more unlikeable than that time he pouted over the audio of that SU-34 pilot who evaded the Uki missile.
@@TC2290-wh5cb ... commenting on salty Mover's commentary
@@gdiwolverinemale4th Shh Ivan.
Other video that pilot his age 62 age, and he came without a big team. He made everything himself.And the most surprising thing is that he landed in China and got out of the jet fighter without wearing a G suit, just wearing a tactical jacket,He is an experienced pilot who has flown various aircraft.
Yeah, the guy have the medal equivalent of medal of honor in russia.
@@dharmdevil He is a hero of Russia - this is the highest military award
The guy is the chief test pilot at Sukhoi company.
he actually hop a couple of airport to get to zhuhai. imagine being the chinese airport ground crew watching a SU57 randomly pull up to the tarmac for refuelling... xD
that's actually where some of the close in video are from...
Guys, the thing you all did not know? Mention? is that when Sergi (the test pilot) stepped out of the plane he had no g suit or anything, just slacks and a decent t shirt and his helmet.. Sergi is 62, and the test pilot for Suhoi.. Also this is the 2nd aircraft built, and is actually a T-50. The production Su-57s are quite different - different engines and stealth baffles over and beneath the engine nozzles. He flew the plane from Moscow with one stop and no support or maintenance crew.
There were photos of T-50 being pulled out of a transport. So no, he did not fly all the way.
slow speed demo doesn't have much Gs pulled
@@gdiwolverinemale4th there are 2 T-50s. One was flown and the other one was transported
@@gdiwolverinemale4th the second plane was for the presentation of the new engine, and the presentation of the plane itself to potential future buyers. the show was private
@@specc_s1452 Sukhoi definitely does not share its organizational details with me, but I find the idea a prototype of an airplane would fly 10,000 miles to an air show somewhat far-fetched
Gonky got smoked by an Su30 during BFM training when that sukohoi pulled a J-turn during a one circle fight, and there's a video of it. So yeah there's a practical use with all those high-alpha fancy maneuvers that people called "not practical"
Pretty sure he was referencing the kvochurs bell specifically having no practical use in combat. It looks cool but its effectiveness in any scenario is dubious at best. I don’t think anyone will argue with high alpha capability being useful in dogfight scenarios.
@@RenesisActual It's not meant for combat, but meant to show off that capability. Cobra and bell could be translated into a useful combat maneuver. J turn for example is a nasty move and from a plane that has the yaw authority as the felon(thanks to its 3d vectoring), it's a deadly AF.
@@dharmdevil which is WHY we don't want to fight the Russians! Their fighters, being objectively superior to ours, are deadly AF.
I am so touched by their arguments about applicability in real combat, about the combat situation... And these are guys from the air force of a country that, since the days of Yugoslavia and Iraq, has not dealt with at least any air defense system, let alone air battles. How much arrogance from the parade warriors, the whole service was to patrol and escort.. Guys, envy doesn't make you look good.
Yeah. I would take the words and experience of a Ukrainian pilot over them FR. Those guys and the Russian pilots have actual REAL modern warfare experience. It;s the Ukrainians who should be training the US pilots but their ego probably wouldn't allow that.
false. US dealt with air defense in Vietnam, Desert Storm, Syria, and more. 1991 saw the US destroy the worlds densest air defense network on planet earth in about a week with 4th gen aircraft. and US aircraft are penetrating Iran, Syrian, etc. air defenses with impunity today.
All of the top russian fighters have been shot down in droves in combat over the decades (Mig29, Su-27, Su-30, Su-34, etc), and su-57 have also already been destroyed in combat.
Soon they will call you an Ivan, be prepared
@@SoloRenegadeSU 57 SHOT DOWN !?..😅
@@SoloRenegade Dude, wake up or stop drinking stuff.
No matter what the detractors say, the Su-57 is a badass jet.
The Mover guy is a bit jealous. He knows this plane is awesome. It is only a 10 year old prototype : T 50. We can only imagine what the SU 57 fitted with new engine could be able to do. Bogdan is something else.
F22 scraptor flying like that, only if Tom Cruise is a pilot. 😂
Ooo man, the Hollywood really fck you up.
To the Mover antirussian guy some info...
First of all this a prototype T-10, one of the earliest ever made, this jet has assembled and reassembled so many times for testing purposes and thats why you can see some parts not looking good, its been used only for testing and air-shows and its one of the 2 prototype T-10s(out of 10 prototypes or so) that Sukhoi still owns for their own testing and demonstrations. The Russians for obvious reasons they did not want to send an active production Su-57s which btw they are around 30+ active production ones.
Secondly, it does have 3D thrust vectoring, the T-50 and the serial production series Su-57s until now are using the same engine from the Su-35, the AL-41F1, according to Rostec most likely in 2025 they will delivered the first Su-57s with the new 5th gen second state engine AL-51 that has even greater thrust, it is lighter, better fuel consumption, has longer life cycle and its futures a significant reduced in thermal and radar signature.
Third, I dont know why this Mover guy complains about the maneuvers, this is an air-show, what do you expect a crowd to see, a BVR demonstration and how good the radar works?
And last fourth, no way the F-22 cant match this kind of manoeuvrability and I have seen most of the F-22s air-shows.
So before you do a reaction video, at least do a decent research so you wont get embarrassed by your lack of knowledge and the bias BS statements.
the F-22 and F-15EX can match the maneuverability. But none of that matters in a BVR fight. The Ukraine Patriot battery was able to detect the Su-57 from beyond patriot missile range, thus it's not a stealth aircraft at all, and can be detected and shot down BVR.
The fact it's a prototype doesn't matter. prototypes are meant to be representative test beds of the real thing. how can you teste a stealth, that's not a stealth? Su-57 have already been lost in the Ukraine war. Literally every model of russian fighter in existence today has an abysmal combat record against western 4th gen fighters and air defenses. they lack the sophisticate technological capabilities of the west, always have. They can't produce advanced electronics in russia, and have imported American chips to build their stuff.
Mover complains about the maneuver, becasue like every other russian fighter, it's flashy, but useless maneuver in actual combat. US pilots don't fly nor fight solo. so while that maneuver might throw off or threaten a fighter, his wingman would just then shoot the defenseless Su-57 hanging in the air and save his wingman. even F-22 pilots stopped using such maneuvers in visual merged dogfights as they found them to be useless.
@@SoloRenegade Whats your source on su-57 being detected by patriot?
You said 'Su-57 have already been lost in the Ukraine war' - when?where? Im pretty sure internet would explode from this sort of news..
'Mover complains about the maneuver, becasue like every other russian fighter, it's flashy, but useless maneuver in actual combat.' Like the man said... its an air-show ... I bet you hed be praising and not complaining not one bit if it was f35s and f22s making them. Mover just bring an image of a 'bad loser' to me.
So in saying that no way a F22 can't match this maneuverability, is that F22 does match this maneuverability?
Really any clean GEN4/GEN5 jet still in service offers up an impressive display. You can go find videos of clean Hornets, Super Hornets, F15EX variants, etc, etc putting on a display, and if you read the comments they're full of people saying things like, "holy chit I didn't know they could do that!" or "I didn't know that plane had thrust vectoring capabilities." (when said plane doesn't have thrust vectoring) The real question is how can these aircraft maneuver when setup with real world, combat loadouts.?.?
@@SoloRenegade All stealth aircraft can be detected on radar. If a radar track has the radar cross section of a duck, but is moving at mach 1.5, what kind of conclusion are you going to come to? The point of stealth is to minimise cross section in those frequency bands used for guiding missiles.
We're pretty fortunate that the only times Soviet designed aircraft have gone up against Western aircraft is, what - Iraq? The Iraqi military in Desert Storm was a joke. Taking that down is not something to brag about.
"Su-57 have already been lost in the Ukraine war. Literally every model of russian fighter in existence today has an abysmal combat record against western 4th gen fighters and air defenses. they lack the sophisticate technological capabilities of the west, always have. They can't produce advanced electronics in russia, and have imported American chips to build their stuff." - you got sources for these claims or what? When I worked in Russia there was a microchip factory which produces chips for military use on the scale required for mobile phones, so I already know that one is false.
@@SoloRenegade do you really believe in that ukrainian statement about detecting Su-57?) And wtf are you talking about lost Su57 in Ukraine? Where did you take this info?
How can military aviators not know that the Su57 has 3D thrust vectoring? Shocking
Calm down buddy. They d know everything about it if they where still active duty. Mover & Gonky both retired years ago✌🏽 if you were an airline pilot: Would you get up everyday and study red air? No you wouldnt 😉
@@MH-lh1bfDude almost every DCS player knows this stuff , so real pilots especially if they make such videos should educate themselves . Just use Google , 5 minutes of work .
@@MH-lh1bfnot active duty, but their new gig with YT revolves around their supposed "up to date" knowledge of military aircraft and flight/fight tactics in the air.
this isn't a production Su57, it is using a flanker engine...
that one is no the su-57, its Pak - T 50 prototype
You can be Patriotic and proud of your own airplanes, but at least be objective and non biased as an "Expert" . This Mover guy sounds like he hates anything Russian without knowing why exactly. I'm sure this guy voted for Kamala
Mover : Watch this landing!
Gonky : Wow, dude, yeah.
That was just fun. A couple of dudes enjoying a machine and the skill of the pilot. Just a few minutes of escape from the day to day grind. No politics, no over the top hype. Airshows are awesome. Thanks gents.
01:24 is this guy for real?! It's an AIRSHOW not a combat scenario! The "practical application" is to show the maneuverability of the aircraft and entertain the public...
Are you for real?.. pay attention to what they actually said.
The F22 and F35 engines also smoke a lot with a sharp change in RPM. But somehow nobody cares.
two Americans cooking in their own nostalgic sauce with a touch of envy! Keep it up guys!
Russian war pilots have the most up to date and direct experience in the world right now, if you add to this a good airplane... you know 😉
They'd die by the dozens on day 1 if this conflict spilled over. Had it been the US invading Ukraine they would've established near total air supremacy over the bulk of the country in less than 100 hours. Russia has absolutely failed to accomplish this feat after nearly 3 years. They can only maintain limited superiority over select portions of the front lines. The USAF would utterly destroy the VKS, don't fool yourself into thinkin' otherwise.
@@FraserFir-sb4lk The United States bases its experience against a regular army on the “heroics” of Vietnam. What you write here is based on the Hollywood experience 😅
These guys never value anything that isn't American. If the f22 does the same maneuvers it's fantastic but if a Russian fighter does it they'll question what the practical use is.
Double standard.
Sorry, maybe I haven't looking enough, but I have never seen F22 doing anything similar.
Honestly, I don’t get it. Anything that isn’t American isn’t good enough except the fact that 32 countries still can’t push Russia out of Ukraine
@@davidrobert7180 because those 32 countries are inidividual volenteers and arms support, and most volenteers already leave Ukraine after the first two years. they ain't sending their unit in like the middle east.
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At least f22 is stealthy.
Su 57 is not stealthy. Its designers say as much.
Not an Su-57 or Su-57M with new engines, but 4th protoype as T-50. But good to hear a statement without prejudice.
It's a su-57.
YF-22 --> F-22
X-35 --> F-35
T-50 --> Su57
prototypes are supposed to be well made, hand crafted, high quality representations of their production counterparts. if the prototype isn't stealth, how can you know teh production model is? If you didn't test RAM and such on teh prototype, then how can you know the production model will?
It's just a cope from Russia worshippers.
I am in a cave in Africa with my star link internet and a few Pet lions guarding the cave entrance watching this video with my chilled Heineken in my hands. This SU - 57 pilot amazed everyone around the world, except for a few sceptics. Bravo to the super performance.
Are you Wagner?
😅
Can confirm, I am Heineken
The SU 57 is an Angel Michael
As an aviation enthusiast I don't really care for people's saltiness on a Russian airplane over their political bias. Su-57 is a great plane and when you put that in the hands of a great pilot it is destined to produce awesome results. It's an air show and this is what exactly what they are going to showcase. It's true that F-22 is still cool and deadly but that shouldn't prevent us from appreciating something else that's awesome.(sorry Mover, but lighten up a little bit mate 😛) For me when it comes to tech - it doesn't matter where the origin is. There's a reason why people still love Tiger tanks, FW-109s and Japanese Zeros from WW2.
It is not only about planes, Sergey Bogdan is one of the best pilots in the world. He was probably not even wearing g suit for this flight.
@@user-di5rm9ee1p yeah, I too heard that he wasn't wearing a G suit. He's definitely a pro and this airshow stunts must have been a cakewalk for him. Anyway I'm still glad both Mover and Gonky appreciating a fellow pilot on his capabilities like gentlemen.
From engineering perspective, that airframe is a work of art. Absolute domination over physics.
nope. Russian aircraft lack sophisticated avionics, as we've seen in Ukraine. the Su-57 was picked up by patriot outside Patriot missile range (not stealth). Maneuverability counts for nothing in BVR fights. Russian aircraft have all proven inept in actual combat and lack advanced capabilities.
What's the F22 deadly against exactly? Hot air balloons are about all its actually gone up against... 😂
SU-57 is bad ass !! Superior to F-35 for 1/3 the cost
so for 1 f-35 you get 3 russian f22s
1st of all it's not Su 57, it's PAK FA prototype
F22 smoke as well.
Mover is acting like a jealous friend that can’t admit you’re better than him in a sport. That plane is absolutely awesome in its capabilities and will give any and all of our fighters fits after the merge.
F-22 ain't scared.
This thing the T 50 a prototype of the su 57 so it’s kinda a stripped down version without any of the important stuff
Т-50 это первое имя этого изделия, позже он получил официальное название су-57.
@@Parim_pravilno Ты не понял. Это прототип.
Which was disassemble and assembled back probably 20 times.
Truth is that F22+F35 is SU 57
Neither of those American planes have exposed rivets lol
@@Ozchuckprototype model, irrelevant
lol imagine asking the practicality of a maneuvers at air show
I hate to say it but that's one cool jet, from the paint job to it's acrobatic abilities.
Yeah... Even experienced traditionally trained pilot like Mover sometimes struggles to grasp the practical applications of supermaneuvrability. Oh well..
Did Mover fly the Hornet? Gonky seem to fly more in the Hornet so i guess he can think of more scenarios when high alpha moves are more applicable
@@hippoace He did, or rather he mainly flew the viper but also he did get some time on the hornet when he was on exchange with the US Navy, so he flew both
I think his point was more that it's not super useful in a modern combat space. Even Gonky seemed to indicate that its mostly useful in a gun fight. But in modern times, when you can shoot missiles at planes behind you or shoot at planes well past the horizon, I'm not sure how often you're going to get a chance to use guns. Whoever gets the first good missile shot off is likely going to be the victor. Especially when preventing friendly fire is so much easier with the way modern US fighters communicate with each other and allies (ie don't need physical confirmation before firing, a la Vietnam).
When you're being targeted by a true stealth fighter from BVR or AA missiles like Patriot, it's pretty useless. If you're in a Vietman era dogfight, sure, it's useful.
@@TC2290-wh5cb In fact, it is much more useful in long-range air combat. With increasing altitude, the air loses density and the control surfaces become less efficient. How long will it take for the viper to turn 180 degrees at an altitude of 10km and at a speed of 1M? About 20 seconds. This is the time it takes for a rocket to fly 20-30 km, you just don't have time to get away from the impact. How long will the Su-30/35/57 take? Judging by a recent video from the C-70, 5 seconds for 135 degrees, and 6 for 180. This is a completely different matter, you can launch all the missiles at a distance of 150% of the hit, turn around almost instantly and leave. Due to the Doppler effect and stealth, you will be almost impossible to notice
Excellent early warning radar and long range missiles
I think Gonky said it. These airshow maneuvers are just that. If you're in a fight, being slow at 1g isn't good period. It's how these things apply in real fights that's important like high alpha, high rates, etc
Uh, did you miss what Mover said about the impressive nose authority of the Su-57? Did you miss the follow-on comment where he said that having good nose authority is useful in combat?
@@markymarknjAre you Russian or Chinese?
Yeah yeah,.. 😂
The only thing that matters in new jets is who has nose on and can lock, if u are behind this thing hauling ass then it hits the j turn and ends up behind you, you are fked
Objective
Nice to appreciate good airmanship
They do it to get sales.
Like when the F-14 and F-15 flew off for the Shah of Iran.
The F-14 won because it moved its wings around and did an epic show.
MOVER: "What is the practical application of this part?"
GRONKY: "It's awesome."
Its impressive because its the old pak 50 not even the final su57 with new al41 engines!!
That’s an amazing demo
F-22 and SU-57M . . . Those two jets are something different and special !
Superb handling of the Su-57 Felon with pilot Sergey Bogdan at the controls! Just look at the short take off and crazy turn and landing!
Sour Grapes
Airmen always respect each other even if they're enemies.
Unless your Mover😂
mover's joy is highly contagious
Aerobatic displays and practical combat are two different things
Did you hear them say that having good nose authority will help getting a shot at the enemy?
Nose authority and a good thrust vectoring short range missile like the aim9x.
With that manoeuvrability, speed, very good energy potential (twin powerful engines), and good missiles SRM, MRM, LRM, you will dictate the fight, you will always have that option to exit or to finish the fight to your advantage.
But when the F-22 does this it's cool and very practical...
@@Foquro Considering the F-22 was doing this 20 years ago... Yeah.
@@smugfrog8111 Considering that SU-27 is doing it for 47 years, yeah 😂
Guys, This is actually NOT a Su-57. It’s a late model T-50 Prototype, hence the slightly smokey engines and rough finish of the body (which has gotten alot of coverage) Russia is using it as a demo unit. Obviously the Su-57’s are ‘busy’ elsewhere
It's a su-57.
YF-22 --> F-22
X-35 --> F-35
T-50 --> Su57
prototypes are supposed to be well made, hand crafted, high quality representations of their production counterparts. if the prototype isn't stealth, how can you know teh production model is? If you didn't test RAM and such on teh prototype, then how can you know the production model will?
It's just a cope from Russia worshippers.
aka an early su57, imagine the production sukhois
This is not a prototype, this is a decoy of a 5th generation fighter
it's okay to enjoy an awesome aircraft, where ever it came from. each aircraft has its respective edges.
The problem is that manned fighters are rapidly becoming obsolete. They would be completely obsolete by now if the US Airforce decision makers weren’t all ex fighter pilots who won’t accept the idea. Just like WW2 Admirals had to watch expensive battle ships become irrelevant floating targets before they got the idea.
расскажи это пилотам на Украине.... так же говорили и про артиллерию (что устаревшее и т.п.), которая сейчас решает основные вопросы на поле боя на Украине (да и Израиль тоже не списывает ее из своих арсеналов войны)..... дело не в "пилотируемости" или нет, а в ТЕХНОЛОГИЯХ БОЯ и ВЕДЕНИЯ ВОЙНЫ.... По большому счету можно вообще обходится без ЧИСТО ВОЕННОЙ ТЕХНИКИ, если КРЕАТИВНО К ВОЙНЕ ПОДХОДИТЬ
The F22 lost in close combat to the French Rafale. And of course the F22 cannot do the same thing as a fighter with a 3D thrust vector. I am not criticizing the American fighter now, but it is a fact.
Yeah but like all meaningful combat is like bvr, in any case in dogfights depending on the plane ofc , pilot is more important than plane . In a 1v1 f-22 clears rafale 90% of the time , two pilots of equal skill I would put my money on the su-57 , but bvr ofc would be raptor
Love the review. But at the very least ya gotta admit that plane can get SKINNY if it needs to, even if it is the size of tennis court.
How can you not be impressed
It is always a question, is it a TVC engines or not, is it 2D or 3D? Well, the single engine on the Su-57 is 2D, but its pivot point is rotated by 36 degrees. A pair of these two engines together supply the 3D thrust vectoring. Because instead of the Raptor, where the nozzles are only moving up and down and only together, in this russian method, they are moving up/out and down/in, in a V-shape way, but even individually as well. So besides of the pitch, it could controll the roll and yaw effect as well. In raw term, the true 3D TVC was the American F-18 HARV (originated from the X-31), the F-16 MATV, the McDD F-15 ACTIVE and the russian RD-33 and AL-31 KliVT. In these engines, the nozzle was a fully axi-symmetrical 3D vectored, while Victor Chepkin-designed AN-100 nozzle is just a 2D one. However, this AN-100 was easier to applied on the AL-31F and later on the AL-41F-1S, than the fully 3D solution. The only disadvantage of the AN-100, it could not provide a 3D thrust vectoring alone. But since there is no TVC controlled single engine russian tactical fighter, this is not a case anymore.
Thank you for sharing your insights on the display 😊 cheers
This is the T-50 prototype not the Su-57, and the engines are the same as the Su-35 Al-41, the new engines are still in development and should be more powerful and not smoky as the old engines.
The F-22 was made in the 90s, I don't think it's fair to compare with 2020s jet, that has all the moder features.
And 100% better than an F-35 in my Hamble opinion😊
For WVR, the Su-57 is better than the F-35. For BVR, I'll put my money on the F-35.
Russian and Chinese modern features aren't the same as U.s. modern features.
@@markymarknj NEVER going to see an F-35 get into a WVR envelope. Fight would be over long before that
Don't underestimate the F-35.
@@PfizerRN_NavyReserveCaptain the fight is never 1 vs. 1, its not DCS.
You have support, intelligen and a lot of variables in any fight, the Russians have good avionics and EW on their fighters, don't underestimate you adversary.
We just don't know what will happen when they will meet, if I want to fight, I want to fight with 10 to 1 ratio, and that's where the Russians have a problem, not the fighters.
Mover is clearly salty over the performance of this remarkable plane. Credit where credit is due.
Hey Mover/Gonky. I have a thought about the "Top Gun: Maverick" manoeuvres. I don't think the movie guessed that the aircraft could do - as Mover alludes to. I think the Russian test pilot is imitating what Hollywood's CGI did but the aircraft could do in real life - which is very impressive. Also, there was one "Dogfights" episode where a USAAF P-51D pilot was being chased by a Me-109 and he pulled the stick into his stomach and "full left rudder" which made the enemy aircraft behind him overshoot. He stalled and had to recover for the Su-57 - as Gonky says - can get nose authority and perhaps gain enough distance for a heat-seeker lock.
Besides, in the airshows I've been to, you even see B777's and A330s doing shit they wouldn't do in real life.
"A beautiful plane does not fly badly" ©A.N. Tupolev
I love the stories about Tupolev, he was kinda the Russian Kelly Johnson. There's a story about how he was walking past someone else's scale model of a plane they were designing and Tupolev just points at a part on the fuselage ands goes "It will break here" and keeps walking.
And, yup, when they got to testing it, it did indeed break there. Dunno if actually true, but it's a nice story.
1) its got full 3D vectoring.
2) the smoke is supposed to be there. Show me any other plane doing the exact moves with high Gs, rapid accel and stops, different turbulence and air intakes etc not having a smoke? it doesnt exist. When it flies in a straight line, or does basic maneuvering, it doesn't smoke.
3) there's a see through the airplane visibility feature just like in the F35.
Love Gonkys enthusiasm. 🤗
The plane looks amazing and it has amazing manoeuvrability but so does a Red Bull racing plane or the Yak 110 and you don't see them as warplanes.
Все эти манёвры могут быть применены в Ближнем бою. Вся суть заключается в том что самолëт прощает ошибки неумелого пилота. Чем больше ваш самолëт может в воздухе тем выше шансы на победу. Такой самолëт может легко расправится в Ближнем бою сразу с двумя вражескими самолëтами
Full flying verticals and horizontals.
that case when you drive a car with a six hundred horsepower engine, at the speed allowed by law, but those around you have no illusions about the capabilities of your car
The capability is only as good as the average squadron pilot. What a uniquely talented display pilot can do, practicing stunts, is another matter
'Yeah whats that move exactly'? Umm... thats Kvochur's bell last i checked... 😂
I love LEVCONs and supermaneuverability in general, it's not much use but it's cool humans can make planes do this 120 years after the Wright brothers flight.
04:10 yes it has 3D vector thrust. It can pitch, roll and yaw. Otherwise the Topgun manoeuvre wouldn’t be possible, cause you need the yaw thrust to spin the aircraft in a post-stall state.
No, the Su-57 doesn't have true "3D" thrust vectoring.
The only russian jet that had an actual 3D thrust vectoring system was the MiG-29OVT demonstrator.
The TVC on the current Su-57 is the same as on the Flankers.
It's pitch only like the Raptor but unlike the Raptor, the nozzles movement is angled and can also point in opposite directions.
That allows the vectored thrust system not only on the Su-57 but also Flankers like the Su-35S and Su-30SM to generate some mixed roll and yaw torque/momentum.
Any unwanted roll or yaw movement is cancelled and compensated by the aero control surfaces.
Btw, this so called 3D thrust vectoring is not required at all if you want an aircraft that can do lots of high AoA maneuvers that require a lot yaw motion.
The F-22 for instance has pitch only vectoring and does J-turns and pedal turns effortlessly all the time.
@@deltasierracharlie How far can you delude yourself into cope buddy
@@deltasierracharlielol what sort of cope it has 3D TV 😂 get over it
5:03 is the 'Top Gun' maneuver, not the 'falling leaf'.
When I watched this SU -57 performance I had an instant flash that took me to the X 31 "Vector" Paris Air Show in 1995. Just watch X-31 : Breaking the chain : lessons learned.
The SU-57 is so awesome that it would be criminal to let it fight in a real combat and risk loosing it 😉
What SU57? T50 research and test craft I was told. Now used for airshows. Closest thing to an su57, but not quite. Not millitairy grade. Hence the rough unpolished look we see in close up images. But that pilot, wow. Seems to be over sixty. Way past airforce retirement age. Still taking this stresses on his body like most will not endure in their prime. I know I signed up for rotorcraft. Went through the test. Then got assigned to the fighter program and said no ty. No rotor, then I am off. No fun passing out in that cetrifuge. Plus active duty is not like this. Here I could stay awake. On some missions. I know myself. I wake up slowly. Flying takes me into bore mode. And then one needs to be super sharp emdiatly of something demands so. Not for me. Glad I did not let myself be convinced. Had I gone in younger with less delf knowledge, I would have let me be pushed into the wrong seat. Plus I met Tom Cruise and he is a total sociopathic nutjob. As he showed on Letterman, laughing at him suffocating and braindamaging someone he was told to smugle in his plain. So a human traficker laughing about causing someone unneeded damage. FBI should pick that case up. They don't. So f them too. Ad all others that abducted, anesthecized that same person adding to damages for jobs he never signed up for. Our awesome American buds. Lord will judge them.
I love your dynamic, Gonky and Mover. Do not grow to hate each other.
... Why would they??
Wouldn't the purpose of that maneuver to demonstrate, that it can get out of it? If something happens, that the jet gets into a flat spin and having the means of getting out of it without ejecting is a good thing, isn't it? Pardon for my ignorance
I would be more worried about the chinese Jets. Hope Mover and Gonky will cover them soon.
Flying Brick with thrust vector technology... I think the Raptor or even the Super Hornet could kick its butt. I guess that would depend on its defensive radar and weapons systems
Not SU 57. The SU 57 is this one on steroids.
This is the T-50 prototype version of the SU-57
Algorithmic engagement comment.
I have a proposal. Simulated dogfighting as a professional sport. I'd pay money I don't have to see Gonky in a Hornet vs the SU-57.
That would be a short and decisive fight... with the SU57 doing barrel rolls on its victory lap.. 😂
Practical Application for the Maneuver is Recruiting. That's about it.
Su-57 has 360° Vectoring.
Can't tell if Mover there went on to be a critique or outright hate them? The maneuver has its application as Gonky said to point the nose on the enemy aircraft as soon as possible when the fight is within visual range, which is not entirely off the charts.
It’s an air show, man. They don’t have to show you the practicality. They’re showing the people there for the show, not American military, regardless what you think of it or not😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Not gonna lie, I don't see a point in judging aircraft from airshow demos. First - yeah, it's not a real combat situation and we do not see how good the weapons are. Second - it would be stupid to show the full extent of jet capabilities in an airshow for everyone (especially rivals) to know.
Mover doesn’t understand or does it like to admit I think it’s more the case that when the SU 57 does the Top Gun Maverick flip in the air mover goes what significance of that in combat a lot I think is the answer if you have got an aircraft behind you in a firing position or got that close for some reason with guns? You can do this manoeuvre move quickly out of the way the other aircraft will then fly by because it will not be able to do this manoeuvre and don’t give me no crap about the
F22 can do this we know that. But the F-22 is not gonna get this close to an SU 57 to get into that one on one close call scenario so when the issue 57 does this manoeuvre it can then do the little spinner Rooney as it gains momentum again keep the nose on the aggressive aircraft which is now flown by it And pop off a missile. It’s that easy. I’m sorry I appreciate and thank you for your service Mr. Mover even though I’m not an American I’m from the UK but I respect all service men and women for the sacrifice and their service but this has real military significance in close combat manoeuvering. Yes you won’t be doing this sort of manoeuvering closer to the ground.
Some people just want to be negative and would rather be in a Fokker D.VII
Other observer has stated that’s not Su-57 but T-50 prototype.
I love how Mover started to admit its badass after a bit hahahah. They are exactly right though, the important part is how good are the electronic systems and we really dont know, so if it has older less capable systems it will struggle to get close enough to even use the wild nose authority. I think its very close to an F-22 in its ability to do wild moves, but I have a feeling its weapon systems for BVR arent as capable as western stuff but im certainly not claiming to know that as any kind of fact. The plane itself is gorgeous to me, all Russian fighters look better than any other to me.
Given the amount of software and man hours required to develop it for something like the F-35, i doubt this has anything remotely close. As their multitude of destroyed S-400s and T-90 tanks shows, the RuZZians promise a lot, but it usually turns out to be lies and propaganda.
@TC2290-wh5cb that was my thinking too, the math just doesnt add up and I guarantee the radar cross section of it is "huge" compared to the F-22 or 35 too.
Small tail helps with lowering RCS. But its bigger then moving parts of classic tail so its far from lowering manouvering.
Вы чё дурачки🤡? Этот самолёт имеет и практическое применение именно благодаря манёврам, Су-57 доказал это в СВО, не одна американская, западная система ПВО не могла ничего поделать с Су-57, а наоборот Су-57 уничтожал все эти западные ПВО без напряга!🤣
A french journalist once interview an F16 pilot in the 80s or early 90s regarding the cobra of the mig and what would he do the pilot say he would eject 😂😂😂😂
This is The T50-4 prototype.
The vertical stabilizers are so small because theyre all moving, unlike the f22 or f35 which have fixed vertical stabilizers with rudders. The tails on the su 57 are doing the work of tiny rudders on other planes, so theyre much smaller and make small movements for the same effect. Its less stealthy for an all moving surface but has better maneuverability so its a tradeoff. Being much smaller helps to make up some of the difference of being less stealthy.
если ваши F-35 такие скрытные, как вы хвастаетесь, то ЧТО ЖЕ ВЫ ИХ НА УКРАИНУ НЕ ПОСЫЛАЕТЕ, боитесь что ВАША РЕКЛАМНАЯ НЕВИДИМОСТЬ - ПИАР и работает только для СЛЕПОГО ПРОТИВНИКА
@@ЖаннаШалимова-я2к What are you talking about Ivan, the US air force is not in Ukraine. Come think of it, neither is the RuZZian airforce. 🤣
@@ЖаннаШалимова-я2к жанна, почему тебя так порвало соберись дорогая
@@TC2290-wh5cb He didn't say the USAF is in Ukraine. He asked why Ukraine hasn't been given any F-35s if they are such great and stealthy aircraft.
@@tripwire8457 The US doesn't give away F-35s, that's an even more dumb thing to say.
The biggest problem i have with airshow queen manoeuvres is that yes, nose authority is immense. But, you just traded in all of your airspeed. If you dont get the kill, you are 100% dead.
Russian aircraft are always good at demonstrating the old "I already lost, let's try this thing instead" 😅
Plus, stealth?? Look at the body shape around the engines, and traditional exhaust nozzles. It's a missile magnet!!
So having immense nose authority means you trade in all your airspeed? Just because it's unbeatable in that regard doesn't mean it can't rate; it just means it has the option of that. And in the proper hands, that unparalleled capbility to turn xyz(yes, nothing comes close to that yaw authority), is incredibly deadly.
And don't even talk about stealth. Nothing but wild guesses.
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Mover, doesn't the wings of the SU-57, resemble those of the F-16XL? From what I read about the F-16XL, that it was superior the the Viper as is. What is your opinion.
Su 57 has 3d thrust vectoring. If it is long range warfare ofc no one will hesitate to choose a raptor, but up close if it's a dogfight I don't think it would be that of a simple choice.
The maneuver in the show may not be applicable in combat situation but remember, the objective of those maneuver is to show nose authority which can be superior in dogfight. Demo vs combat maneuver is totally different thing. stop being the guy who ' yeah looks cool, but what that does in combat'
That's impressive, and the honest reaction from these Amercans too. In this case.
That's not a Su-57 tho, that's just one of the two remaining T-50 prototypes that Sukhoi still owns, the other prototypes are in the possession of the Russian military now, along with the actual in service and deployable production models
It's got the RCS of an ancient Tomcat, the legs of an old F-250 pick up truck, and Russian avionics. I'm sane and not stupid. Which means I am thoroughly unimpressed by Russia's toy.