Unfortunately, the huge numbers of people who know little think he's a genius, spouting wisdom with every word he says. The fact that he's rich generates admiration in many that emotionally flavors their interpretation of anything he says in a positive way. "Stop using big words with me, man!" I'll just believe what my cult leader says.
His point about the compromises made in the F35 design to suit different requirements is widely known and often stated, including on this podcast, so not sure your snark is justified.
35 maintainer here. Im not chronically on twitter to have a debate with him but it goes without saying some platforms are purpose built and drones are just not there in the fighter sense to compliment and or phase out the current inventory of fixed wing fast movers. Moreover i hate the master of none talk which is constantly being proven as baseless and just not true; man i sure do think this 9.2G+ platform that has the engine output to pull off the runway and hit an immediate vertical climb with no burner is outdated and not a good investment
His whole point is that AI should be at a point where it can replace pilots which makes sense. The only reason it isn’t is because it hasn’t been funded and prioritised enough.
@ and the retort of Mover was that its not practical bc you need a human being with critical thought behind the stick… which I wholeheartedly agree with
I read that the US military currently has a fair portion of f-35s not in working order (like 30-40%) such that they need more maintenance or whatever it is that I don't know about. while the target that we would wish to have is that only 20-25% of planes are "out of order" given (I've heard) the f-35 is hard to maintain I'm not sure this is an easy issue to fix but I'm assuming the
@kavinbala8885 1) half true depending on how you look at it 2) the only thing needed at any given time that hinders mission capability is parts and support equipment, not the ability to perform maintenance or how intermittent the maintenance is 3) the target is propositions made by bean counters and exaggerated and used as munitions against the aircraft by MSM 4) its not hard to maintain
As someone who has no war fighting experience and no experience designing fighter jets and combat drones, I'm not going to listen to someone who doesn't have any experience in those matters either.
Elon is a military defense contractor and he designs spacecraft.... and he knows how to balance a checkbook. But hey... go look up what the Navy said about the Zumwalt's to get them and now they want the next shiny thing.
After listening to his description of Hyperloop, I have no respect for his technical prowess or knowledge. "It's literally no more complicated than your air-hockey table, I promise. It's not that hard." This guy has left a trail of failed transportation projects behind that no minion dares talk about.
A good friend of mine works at ESA as a propulsion engineer, and the stories she tells, that she hears from SpaceX colleagues is astounding. Several employees theres main job is to keep Elon away from the actual engineers. They do not want a Cybertruck or Hyperloop situation 😂
Lol keep crying woke gay boy. Elon is the head engineer and designer at nearly all his companies. Actual engineers who work for his companies have confirmed this.
Regarding the conversation from around 17:00, look at what happened with the kids that got stuck in the cave in Thailand and how Elon 'the genius' Musk treated the actual experts in cave diving...
@@liquidsnakex Maybe you should go fix wiki then. He's an experienced caver with knowledge about that specific cave, he's listed as an experienced diver, and the two often go hand in hand at least to some level. Ok, for the sake of argument he had no experience and was just a front spokesperson, maybe it's possible he took advice from the thousands of other *actual* dive experts at the scene calling MuZk's idea plain nuts? Remember Hyperloop? Not exactly a guy with feet on the ground.
@@Truth_Hurts528the man’s a douchebag. The guy still can’t deliver autonomous self driving for cars in over 10 years while his competitors have passed him out. Without latching onto Trump Tesla is gone as BYD and the likes are all passing them out. All he cares about at t his point in time is share price. He doesn’t give a crap about anything else. SpaceX are thriving despite him not because of him.
remember his domain is using up the worlds supply of ketamine. he isnt good for much else 0 engineering knowledge beyond what it would take to beat the tutorial levels of polybridge but that is about it.
Elon is right though. The f35 is the most ridiculous expensive program of all time. It’s unbelievably expensive to the definition. Compare it to what Elon has achieved with his rockets. I’m sorry but more engineering went into his rocketry than the f35 project.
@@RedTeufel So he bought a company and uses NASA developed technology, then lets his engineers tweak it. OK. NASA could do the same, but they aren't allowed to use crashes as part of their development strategy.
Well that's terrific, what happens if you get in a heavy EW environment and you lose the SATCOM your drone fleet becomes an easy target. No doubt there may well be a time the manned fighter becomes obsolete but it's not there yet, no doubt that time is going to come but it's not there yet.
The Next generation fighter is going to have multiple drones that pair with a manned fighter. This is the step and the US is already developing this tech.
You know in that kind of environment, even a manned aircraft’s ability to know where it is, know where the target is, and bring weapons on target is not much better than drones.
He tries to not debate with those knowledgable on subjects quite deliberately to sound rather more smart than he actually is, he much prefers yes men and those willing but noticeably without the specific skills to test him. He is most smart indeed at finding and using people who really are smart in what they do while happily taking the credit for it. It’s a skill but not one that we should accept unchallenged, but sadly his power and cult like status make confronting him a difficult sometimes dangerous occupation.
Haven’t they done the same with the F-15 and F-16 also? Also remember Israel is still not telling us how many F-35 were destroyed in that missile attack.
Elon is confusing the Cybertruck with the F-35 😂 Maybe the idea is to have the drones put on a show for the enemy forces and distract them because no way is a tiny drone going to lift a 2,000 lbs JDAM, let alone carry it hundreds of miles !
Yes confronting his views just needs a modicum of common sense when he goes off piste doesn't it. He forgets endless trial and error and missed time timeframes in war is of a wholly different level and risk than wiping out Starships, You need to stay in the fight as you experiment and doing that by making largely unsubstantiated substantially amateurish claims about what will and will not work for a future conflict as if it’s proven fact will get you defeated very quickly.
I'm surprised the phrase "Loyal Wingman" didn't come up in this discussion. I personally think that's going to be the "sweet spot" in the autonomy spectrum for like, the next two or three decades. A crewed F-35 "driver" complimented by a swarm of drone wingmen seems to combine the best of both worlds with few of the drawbacks. Also the F-35 has become surprisingly cheap per copy at this point-- if we need any sort of manned presence at all on the aerial battlefield they might as well be sitting in F-35s.
17:15 you are giving musk far too much credit. When he was disappointed by his tweets not getting as much attention as they used to and he asked a team of programmers at twitter, one of them said "maybe it's because you aren't as popular as you used to be." Musk fired that guy on the spot. He only surrounds himself with yes men these days.
In the broader context, Elon is looking to trim the defense budget. My concern is that he might begin cutting programs like F-35 procurement (and promotion to foreign markets) without understanding the necessity and interconnection of what he's removing. The F-35 is more than a single combat platform, it's an integral component of our modern multi-domain combat strategy. Beyond that, it's a geopolitical tool which enables the US to be at the center of the defense needs of allied nations and even to entice the cooperation of countries who might want to get under our umbrella. There are valid complaints of every combat weapon system's development. Commonly, the F-35 is ridiculed for its high development and maintenance costs. Given that the F-35 should be regarded as three separate aircraft with commonalities, its cost is not as outrageous as it seems. In comparison to the only other 5th generation aircraft in US service, the F-35's per unit cost is far less than the F-22. For the most part, mainstream awareness of the F-35 has been influenced by adversaries like Russia and China who want Western voters to be unduly concerned and misinformed about the effectiveness and capabilities of the aircraft. At the moment AI isn't ready to take combat roles from human decision making and, given the concerns he has expressed in the past about the dangers of AI, I would be surprised to see Elon support giving AI such autonomy over weapon systems. As a fan of SpaceX and their design philosophies, I don't think the same process used to design Starship can be applied to the design of systems meant to deploy weapons.
problem is elon is the stupidest person in the room at all times except around tRump but he just isnt smart enough to figure it out. he knows little to nothing about space or spacecraft either ... he is currently trying to get to the 1960's but hasnt figured out nasa already has done what he is trying to do and he cant seem to understand ctrl+c then ctrl+v
Our modern multi-domain combat strategy is terrible cause we have not won a war with a decent power since WW2 we spend trillions of dollars on defense stuff with nothing to show for it. The USA is on the weakest economic footing that it has ever been.
excellently articulated comment. It should be pinned, IMHO - Especially the part about Chinese and Russian disinformation campaigns designed to affect public opinion and thus, official actions
6th gen NGAD concept contains manned fighters with unmanned companions called Loyal Wingman. It’ll be costly but the best of both worlds. You have to spend $ to stay on top.
@@david7384 NASA's DC-X did that way back in the 90s with far less computing power than we have today. While only a proof on concept for vertical takeoff and landings, maybe Enron MuZk -head of Teslanos - took knowledge from that? If he didn't, it doesn't make a good engineer to re-invent the wheel.
@@gottagowork you're clearly an example of the people that lack nuance like the dude was saying in the clip above. obviously elon musk is kind of a big dumdumb and a manchild with a massive ego and a snake oil salesman and nobody is getting hyperlooped onto mars with their electric supercars with the cold gas thrusters through the tesla tunnels and recharging their brain implants with their solar roof tiles on their heads while on the way there in order to arrive on mars by 2015 and set up a new civilization or whatever.. but at the same time, it's not like it's just empty air between his ears. he's clearly smart in some ways and has done a very good job with his satellite internet and his rockets that can now do some really impressive stunts, and he has created a company for electric cars that while admittedly being pretty low quality and filled with ridiculous promises of super duper artificial intelligence nonsense that may accidentally swerve into oncoming traffic and kill you instead of driving you is still a very successful company that is worth a lot of money and that has sold a whole bunch of vehicles over the last decade or whatever. so i don't know why you wanna take that away from him. i really don't think that anybody else has created giant towers with giant metal arms to catch giant rockets the size of skyscrapers in order to be able to rebuild them and get more than single use out of them. it's pretty cool stuff. sure as heck ultimately accomplished more than you and me. no need to be petty and bitter and to attempt to take his accomplishments away from him. you can just be a normal person and be like "yep elon musk is a big baby and a massive egomaniac that has pushed a lot of ridiculous scams, but his rockets and satellites are pretty cool and his cars are alright" and just wish him the best when it comes to doing more of the cool useful stuff and less of the scams in the future. it's not really that deep or that complicated. people can have both good and bad qualities and both successes and failures. it doesn't have to be a pick between one or the other.
Yes, but America's enemies are Musk's big thing. Americans are idiots for allowing what has happened. Russia & co are now in your establishment. Everyone in Europe can see it. Have a nice day.
Saying fighter jets or planes are obsolete because of drones is like saying trucks or trains are obsolete because of cars, or jackhammers are obsolete because of hammers. They are completely different tools. Why is this so hard for Elon to understand.
The F-35 admittedly had quite some toothing problems, but at present it appears all these start-up problems are ironed out Its strength appears to be its electronics, its economy of scale (1000+ built, 3000,+ projected) and its reliability. A plane like that can project power with heavy missiles, something that a fleet of cheap drones can't. I didn't hear the Israeli's complain about its performance I suspect it will be decades before it becomes obsolete (which of course it will inevitably become). Good video, guys!
I'm just hoping he doesn't affect F35 output from Lockheed Martin or Government spending on the platform. The more misunderstood this aircraft is to those outside the platform, the better. Honestly, I'm happy people not in the know call it "Fat Amy", "ugly" , "can't dogfight"... just buy into it. But leave production alone - you've no clue just how capable this jet is.
And you would be shot down before you knew the 5th gen was even there. The network capabilities alone make 4th gen obsolete in modern long range missle exchanges.
network capabilities can be bolted to nearly any plane. Long range missiles can be mounted on about any upgraded 3rd gen or newer plane. A 5th plane turning its radar on, will be detected by 3rd gen if its electronics are fully up-to-date. And that is exactly what the F-35 is, just a expensive platform. The systems bolted on to it,makes it effective The plane, design and capabilitys as fighter, nope.
OK, a few things here. Elon is an entrepreneur and a marketer. He is not an engineer or inventor. Frankly I value his opinion on defense or military matters roughly the same as I value the opinion of career lawyers and politicians on such things. A pilot can not be jammed. FULL STOP! Personally I despise the price tag of the 35 and how we shared the IP with our “allies”. Frankly I can’t understand why the 23 being a stealthier and and far longer legged airframe was not put into service. Elon’s opinion is just that. Given the guy is not an aviator on any level, and I’m fairly certain he has never fired a weapon at a range much less in anger. We don’t need to listen to him.
@@liquidsnakex Again, elon is not an engineer. He graduated with a BSc in physics and a BA in economics. After graduation, Musk moved to California to pursue a PhD in energy physics, but he left the course in just two days and launched his first company, Zip2, in 1995.
@@bigearl3867 Reality doesn't give two fu cks about what degree you have... he'll still be the Chief Engineer of the most advanced spacecraft company on the planet, whether you like it or not.
I'm 35 years old, have never had a girlfriend, and am 5 years away from being able to do a really accurate halloween costume of The 40 Year Old Virgin. I say all this to establish just exactly how little I know about having sex, so that I can confidently point out that Elon Musk knows less about the military than I know about fucking.
@@MicMc539 No he is not! Elon has no power. Z-E-R -O ! He can tweet shit about the F-35 until hell freezes over, doesn't mean Trump is going to move on it. Trump relies mainly on Pete Hedseth for Military decisions. That is the opinion you want to watch for. Also, Congress is not going to easily let the F-35 get cancelled. There were many attempts for the executive branch to cancel the A-10 and its still around because of Congress.
He talked about electric cars. I don't know anything about cars, so when people said he was a genius I figured he must be a genius. Then he talked about rockets. I don't know anything about rockets, so when people said he was a genius I figured he must be a genius. Now he talks about software. I happen to know a lot about software & Elon Musk is saying the stupidest shit I've ever heard anyone say, so when people say he's a genius I figure I should stay the hell away from his cars and rockets.
That happens a lot. Whenever I read an article, etc about something I know well, it is abundantly apparent that they have absolutely no idea what theyre talking about. Why would I assume its different when they speak about stuff I dont know well?
Tesla cars were not Musk's original idea. Two US engineers had their own company that designed and built the first now 'Tesla' electric cars. Musk invested in the company using some of the money he made from selling PayPal shares. Musk then proceeded to buy the original Tesla engineers out and took over the company. Musk is good at getting money from investors, that is all. He is not a car or rocket engineer.
He's not really a technical guy. He's a CEO and he hires people to work for him who know way more about the technology than he ever will. But the public seems to have this idea that he's Tony Stark working on this stuff by himself (perhaps with the help of AI).
He’s only good at taking money from investors. He’s not a technical guy or very smart at all. He’s just a CEO who is good at scamming simple-minded people.
The difference between a human and software is that software can only make pattern-matched decisions on data it has access to from the past and whereas a human has imagination and intuition to adapt to situations where there is no relevant data. Software will get more and more capable, but it will always be limited.
Human ability to improvise is only relevant when there is time. For air combat while in the air, it’s mostly pattern matched decisions based on existing data even for humans, there’s even a fancy word for it, Training.
@@xuansu9036 - That's true if you are in a predefined dogfight or SAM evasion mode but there are many other scenarios where a unique situation occurs and AI will likely fail. Consider the Battle of Midway or Battle of Brittain and if humans had not done illogical actions then the outcome might have been total failure. Creativity and thinking outside the box will always be the purview of humans even though they have many other problems relative to AI robots.
@@xuansu9036because Go has fixed parameters and relatively simple mechanics. in a game of Go, you are not going to randomly see a previously undefined card, or a play using a previously unspecified game mechanic. a human will still adapt to a novel situation like that faster. to give a reductive example for the sake of explanation, suppose you train a convolutional neural network on pictures or pigs and horses. with a decent labelled training set, you can build an impressively accurate predictive model as long as you only give it pictures of pigs and horses to predict. now you give it a picture of a dog - itll think its a pig or horse. perhaps you configure a "uncertain" category for these situations, but then what about a bright green pig with black stripes? the model will be uncertain, whereas a human will recognise it as a new type of pig. obviously this example is super basic, and there can workarounds for *anticipated* situations and edge cases, but hopefully it illustrates my point.
That's literally not true, the "is often times..." was added later by people who wanted to combat the common saying. You can actually look that up and see I'm right. However, neither version of the statement applies here, as the F-35 was designed for a specific purpose and fills that specific purpose. It might apply if it was trying to be an F-15 and A-10, but it's not.
@@ncwolfe I looked it up. Apparently the original phrase was "jack of all trades" (16 century), with "master of none "added later (18th century), and the "is often times" added even later (21st). All comes down to if you consider specialization vs generalization to be preferable.
I'd of gladly (and again would) take a single A10 that was supposedly on dimension aircraft (that ended up performing nearly a dozen) over a a single POS 35 saving my ass now or ever again in the field. Face it.... The 35 SUCKS, which is why when izzynotsoreal could not even get across the syrian or iraq borders let alone into Iranian airspace before getting "LIT UP" by the Russian surveillance systems.
Remember that Elon is in the same friend group as Palmer Lucky’s Anduril Industries Autonomous Military Drone company. Elon’s tweet (which he boosted on his own social media platform) is just an advertisement for Anduril Roadrunner or Boeing Ghostbat fast jet drones
Numerous armed services around the world are not just buying but routinely using F-35s. I've seen them in flight. I'm still waiting to see my first driverless car. I know various militaries are experimenting with driverless vehicles, but they won't be making present model driver dependent cars redundant any time soon.
Dude doesn't know people are literally using Telsa auto pilot daily and have thus travelled 1,610 millions miles without intervention and it is predicted to require 6Billion miles to achieve Full Self driving. Do you people realize that technology has a optimization growth curve and you don't snap your fingers & have said technology y'all are going to very dissapointed when code flies these jets better than your favourite pilot.
@@geraldg350 Muskovite doesn't know that that car's not going far without a driver anytime soon and will be disappointed waiting for that unsupported AI to do more than support roles for the manned aircraft.
@@bluecedar7914 Being a luddite doesn't stop technological progress nobody said it's going to happen soon. You do realize that technology has a optimization growth curve that is non linear? and you saying all that AI will ever do is a support role for a manned aircraft is the dumbest thing ever being that is the hill you are going to die on carry on. I'll bet my left testicle between you and Musk you're the most likely to be dissapointed about the future simply from your inability to predict something as simple at this.
Anyone else think its strange that the man who is against manned fighters because they are "obsolete" and a drone can do anything a manned craft can do, and better...still wants to send a crew on a suicide mission to...Mars?!
You could make a platform with sensors that are vastly superior to ours (human), fly it remotely, but there are two problems with that. The most obvious is expense - for now it would cost more than the human piloted counterpart, the second problem is the data link. I did ELINT in the Navy for many years - if it transmits, we can find it, if it receives, we can interrupt it. It doesn't matter how complex you make that air gap, all you need is a set of antennas and a wide band receiver. When you know what the spectrum typically looks like, you can trivially see any deviation. You don't need to know what the signal is, though it helps, what you really want to know is where it is and where it's going.
I am in agreement. When the situation is splitting hairs; you want a living, breathing pilot in the equation that gives final authority. To make the judgement call.
When you can deploy multiple drones like that with the same time and distance capabilities of an F-35 then yes, maybe they will replace Fat Amy. Until then, hard no!
Google range and dwell time of MQ9 and RQ4. Google range and dwell time of F-35 A pilot is under stress from G's and sitting in a confined space wondering where the enemy is. A drone operator is sitting in an airconditioned Conex wondering where his Monster Energy Drink went. Which one is under more stress and afraid of dying?
@@wrayday7149 now factor in payload capabilities and radar cross-section. there are things you can put on fat amy that you can't put on an MQ9 and places you can sneak the stealth fighter in but you can't the drone etc.
@@wrayday7149 Is an MQ9 or RQ4 survivable in a contested environment? No. You really should listen @cpthf3535 as it appears he knows quite a bit more than you.
@@cpthf3535you could make fat Amy a drone. The issue is being 100% confident in the decision chain of the drone. It has to be capable of autonomous action. Autonomous action with faulty, and possibly constantly changing, information.
One thing he forgets is if we make everything automated, war is just gonna become normal and common place. I say keep everything manned, it will remind us of the cost and futility of war, and thus, why we shouldn't wage it in the first place.
That's fucking dumb. Governments treat humans like meat for the grinder. I don't see you guys clamoring to end the Ukraine war which is a fucking death machine grinding people to dust.
We don’t even know how to make general ai Elon is talking about. Everything we have now is literally thinking inside the box; it craps out as soon as you give it a novel problem.
8:20 Fun Fact: The word "man" derives from Old English "mann" (itself derived from Proto-Indo-European *mon or *monn) which simply meant "person" and did not indicate gender. "Wermann" meant male person (which also gave us werewolf, meaning "man-wolf"). Wifmann meant female person, hence "wife".
"Ai" as it is sold to the public nowadays shouldn't be called Ai in my opinion, because it is NOT intelligent at all. We are still waaaayyyyy away from real human-like intelligence. Elon is trying to scare us with Ai and what it could be, because he's just trying to make publicity, and that's it... He knows well at which stage Ai is currently (or maybe he is not...). Ai that we have today is "dumb" Ai, it's just a tool maybe to help or assist on certain task and that's it... But we are still lightyears away from '2001 space odyssey' Ai. People just don't understand how complex the humain mind, intelligence and brain is, And that is not something that's going to be replicated artificially soon, not in the near future that's for sure. Now onto the Military aviation domain, can a Ai drone beat a real pilot in a 5 minutes dogfight ? Yeah maybe, but can it replace a real Pilot involved in a campaign/war with all its correlated complexity (like situation assessment, observation, judgement, experience, etc...) NOWAY. We will have to wait a looonnng time before that happen. Like I said Ai is just a tool to assit on certain specific tasks and that's it !
An LLM can give you something that sounds exactly like HAL from 2001, the problem is that the output is unstructured, and, like you say, devoid of all intelligence. There is no meaning, no common sense, no concept of truth or fiction. That fancy human like response is just mindless generative prediction. The computer doesn't even 'know' it's doing this, computers don't know anything! They are finite state machines, we built them, there is no magic. If you want to see the best we can do right now, look no further than Siri, Alexa, Google, Bixby, and so on: Hey, turn on the flashlight: Here's what google has to say about "turning on a fleshlight".
He is trying to do with AI, what he did to SpaceX, and Tesla. He places himself as the authority on the topic, and scare mongers about the effects if he isn't in charge. Elon has a destructive God Complex that is darker than the casual observer knows. Read biographies on Elon. Read his insane Tweets. He is not all there, and his speech as become more, and more palsied.
Remind me, when are Teslas going to be self driving? Was it 2018? In the 60s we had the "missles will replace aircraft" argument. Pilots are inherently flexible and their command link to the jet can't be hacked
@@TheMagicJIZZ thanks, it's been a week since someone has called me a genius. However, I'm struggling to understand your point. Computers are very good at routine, which people are bad at. Computers are very bad at abnormal, which people are good at. So if you can plan it computer's will be good at it, spaceflight is a great example of this, unless something goes wrong. Driving & military flying are bad examples of this, there are too many things which change dynamically. Now, what was your point? Because you can build a robot spacecraft you can build a robot fighter aircraft?
The factor that will keep pilots in the cockpit, at least until very advanced AI is developed, is the radio link to UAVs can be interrupted. Drones can be jammed, but Slim Pickens will fly the bullets and bombs into the AO and pull the trigger. UAVs and piloted jets will work together for a long time.
What’s even more scary about consumer drones is just how good and ubiquitous autopilot modules are. We can see automated terrorist attacks on a scale never witnesses before
Any unmanned has to have a downlink in order to be controlled.. that datalink can be jammed.. then you either lose the drone/mission or need to have it to be autonomous.. and do you really want an autonomous drone shoting weapons? can you garantee it wont mistake allies with enemies ..or civilians?.. Sorry i just dont see them replacing meatballs...at least entirelly/majority
@@mp40submachinegun81 The same ai that currently cant even think outside the box and can only do stuff it was programmed to do by people? That fails when asked for cake recipies? That ai should be capable of reading and understanding a conflict zone?
@@zombi111980 you do know that all AI is not the same, right? Aegis already uses AI specifically for that issue of reading and understanding the conflict zone. That exists and is active duty. The only difference is that Aegis still has someone pushing the button.
Why do people who know nothing about the topic feel the need to comment. Social media is rotting people’s brains and stroking their ego to the point where they feel like they can comment on anything and be endlessly affirmed by their followers. Dunning Kruger in full effect.
Musk has a point. It’s impractical to have a fighter you can’t mass produce in times of conflict and really can’t afford to lose too many in combat as you can replace them
@@The_Cyber_Nomadno he doesn’t. He has zero expertise on military equipment and military aviation and it’s obvious his opinion is just as valuable as that of some random RUclips commenter.
@@kingwein89cope. You have nothing of value to say and you know full well he is a massive ignoramus. You worship him because you think he is “owning the libs” and you have zero critical thinking skills. Get a grip.
Musk is correct. F-35 is good at everything but great at none. Some suggest air superiority. That is nonsense. F-22 with latest mods vs F-35 with same... slaughter and F-22 is rather long in the tooth.
In Gundam lore the weapon systems known as bits and funnels are where launch-able drone design ideas need to get started from. The concept of an autonomous smart missile capable of providing wingman level capabilities as far as offense and defense that keep the pilot in the kill chain while minimizing how much how much said pilot has to manage but can control who that “funnel drone wingman” can target and defend. It’s the balance complementing the adaptive nature of man(and survival instincts) with the efficiency of A.I. expand the strengths of both while complimenting the weaknesses.
Live by the sword, die by the sword. Sometimes you get exactly what you ask for. Much respect to you Mr. Mover and Gonky but.... "whatever he says I'm open to it"?? Come on Gonky I really like you man. He is crapping on what you guys have built and fought so hard for in LIFE. Yeah "we" put him in government, good job? If the higher ups in the Military are unreachable and out of touch I wonder how our new Billionaire Administration Club will listen????
I would call the people who wrote the specifications fpr the F-35 stupid. Lockheed just had to do their best to get that thing flying somehow and i bet there where many engineers who thought the same as Elon
@@liquidsnakex cope? seethe? dilate?? what??? dude its ok you can be part of the maga crowd and continue to be a dupe and get duped as long as you are happy i will continue to dupe you dupes it makes me rich! totally mean duplicate that is totally what dupe means because the censors
Interesting discussion. I haven't heard what you guys think on this so thanks for beating the dead horse. Also Elon and the "DOGE", yes he could improve efficiency but I'm kind of worried that Trump administration fell over at the first hurdle by appointing two people (Ramaswarmy being the other one) to do this job? Like...that isn't efficient bruh... And 100% they are going to argue given how big both their egos are.
@@liquidsnakex I somehow doubt that...Ramaswarmy is arrogant as hell, no way he will accept just being a mouth piece for Musk. I would bet all my Tesla shares on this (if I had been smart enough to buy any a decade ago lol :o)
@@Sebastian-rr7de Ramaswamy doesn’t strike me as particularly arrogant, especially considering that arrogance is just pride without the accomplishments, yet he’s quite accomplished himself. He’d obviously be involved in the decision making process too. I meant more that he was likely put there so that they also have someone on hand who’s a slick public speaker, as opposed to just Musk who’s often a little too blunt for the average joe.
First of all the DOGE is more than two guys. More minds are joining the organization. So we'll see what they accomplish or how many egos bump heads. Second, the DOGE is not a government organization. All it does is research, audit, assess and make recommendations to the executive branch, which is more than The President. So there are a lots of view points to filter ideas through. It has no power, which means ELON has no power. Third, some of cuts will require an act of Congress, which is another filter. So Coalition building is still the name of the game if Trump wants to get anything done and the GOP doesn't have enough seats to dominate the Filibuster.
People are confused. 30 years ago, airplanes were airplanes and competed with each other on that basis. The F-35 is not a plane, per se. A collection of flying F-35s is a stealthy radar/sensor, jamming, and targeting network. It's apples and oranges. People have been erroneously judging the F-35 by thinking it's an "airplane" since the beginning. The fact that the F-35 AIRFRAME tries to be too many things to too many people is irrelevant in this context.
He is basically trying to plant the idea in your mind and that his tech would be capable of doing better. If only he could actually get full self driving to work
There is no Department of Government Efficiency. He is at best an advisor to the future administration. They may propose cuts in a budget, but it is Congress who appropriates funds.
Sorry, but Elon is not an expert on fighter aircraft. Yes, he's a brilliant engineer, but using that Chinese drone show as an argument against manned fighters is not becoming of a brilliant engineer. Having said that, the drone shows are cool. They did one at the Abbotsford Air Show back in August. ruclips.net/video/v6seo7OOA08/видео.html
Well boeing can't get a rocket to space and they're a huge military contractor. I'd love for you to find someone smarter than musk at any manufacturer.
He's not a brilliant engineer. He's a CEO. A fairly successful one at that, and one with at least a bit of a technical background. But he's not some super genius who is working on everything by himself. Closer to Howard Hughes, who had ideas, but also a small army of very talented people to perform the actual science and engineering.
11:56 what you are saying is what computer scientists are saying: Thing that scares computer scientists and ai researchers is the “alignment problem” - we currently don’t know how to be certain the AI isn’t going to either turn on us or kill us by mistake.
Well heres the thing, he is neither and inventor or engineer. He is an entrepreneur. Ironically most of his business “success” was based on government subsidies for green projects of questionable legality and dubious validity.
Elon Musk is a serious industrialist. Is he a talented engineer or designer? Does he know anything about the military or military aircraft? Perhaps he should stick to his knitting and pull a J.K. Rowling.
@@liquidsnakex Did not know that musk personally sits in his garage hand dangling military spacecraft. No he does not and he only is the chief engineer because he owns the frigging company. The work is done by actual professionals working for his companys.
elonia isnt a serious industrialist unless you mean his use of ketamine on an industrial scale or spreading his germs to as many creeped out women as he can. the guy got lucky on investments and bought all of his titles. hes as smooth brained as the incoming administration not even one single wrinkle.
@@liquidsnakex its not the most advanced spacecraft in human history they are barely into the 1960's for heavy launch vehicles compared to nasa. and they have the plans for what nasa had and cant even figure out how to copy paste and build. all he has done is buy his titles and or assign them because he owns his company doesnt mean he is qualified even slightly.
@@TheEyeTeaManimagine working for 25 years non stop and beat Boeing and ford simultaneously disrupt every industry' Only to get worms like you say he bought a title
You guys are so uninformed. The only reason why the US wins with F-35s and F-16s is because we use them to dunk on shit countries that have no money. In a war against a true adversary, the F-35s would be a disaster because wars are won on logistics and production. The Chinese will make 20 cheap jets per each F-35 and even if they are worse, they will eventually win by sheer numbers. Economies win wars. We didn't out smart the Germans in WWII, we out produced them. And in a war with China, say goodbye to making anything high tech since they control most of the worlds chip making capacity (they would just take Taiwan).
Cope. Cheap is d3ath in the sky. You want to fly cheap? Your radar will be worse, your jet engine will be worse, your RWR will be worse. All the countries the US dunked on believed in "cheap". How did it work for them?
No, China is very well aware of the enormous lead the US in stealth technology, and is trying to catch up, that's why they invest a lot in developing multiple programs analogous to the US stealth jets (J20, H20, J35, etc). In fact the whole entire world is playing catch up, not just the Chinese.
It's all DOGE theater for the torch carriers. F-35/JSF is a program started 30 years ago when dialup was the norm....and it's been the punching bag for anyone critiquing the bad side of US Govt procurement for about 27 of those years. Everyone knows it's a jobs program and probably OKAY at some things in the current arena....similar to many post ATF multi-role fighters that lacked focus and range. So it's a pretty boring subject at this point and water mostly under the bridge. China is the leader of small drone swarm tech and they are still building manned fighters... I would think Elon would go after the programs still in the design-ish phase like NGAD (which likely has an unmanned option) so maybe he's only smart about some things?
The biggest difference between a drone and a missile is in the time frame that it takes each to do their job. Missile has one job, and it takes several seconds to a minute before it finds its target (or not). In that time frame not much can change on the battlefield, so the pilot's decision to release it will still largely hold. Drone can take hours to loiter around until it starts doing anything constructive (or, rather, destructive). In the meantime, the context can change drastically, and the autonomous AI piloting it may not know or be smart enough to figure it out. It's definitely not there yet. I admire Elon, but sometimes I'm shocked by how simple some things are that he's just not getting.
MIL has some very good, large scale UAVs. Problem is ...control link is vulnerable, and fully autonomous drones ...they can't innovate enough, ...yet. He says it very well in the vid.
Yes guy's very true ! BUT ! the question here is not about what Elon say ! it's about when Elon will officially wear KGB/FSB uniform OR clown suit 😁 because as you mentioned he is not stupid but in last year's he said some total 🐎 💩
I’ve heard the F-35 “jobs program” gripe before…I’m sure you recall the multi-billion dollar failures called the M-1, the M-2, the F-4, the F-15, the F-16, the F/A-18, the MIM-104 Patriot… Yeah, none of those worked…
“Maybe so Sir, but not today.” - Maverick
An air superiority drone is currently called a SAM.
Elon was never my go to source on fighter jets 👊🏼
Ford and GM also said Elon was not their go to source on cars 😂😂
Unfortunately, the huge numbers of people who know little think he's a genius, spouting wisdom with every word he says. The fact that he's rich generates admiration in many that emotionally flavors their interpretation of anything he says in a positive way. "Stop using big words with me, man!" I'll just believe what my cult leader says.
His point about the compromises made in the F35 design to suit different requirements is widely known and often stated, including on this podcast, so not sure your snark is justified.
But he will be one who will recommend to Trump which big government program or even agency to cut.
OR Rockets or EV`s Or Satellites or Neurolink All done better than anyone in the Previous 50 years
35 maintainer here. Im not chronically on twitter to have a debate with him but it goes without saying some platforms are purpose built and drones are just not there in the fighter sense to compliment and or phase out the current inventory of fixed wing fast movers.
Moreover i hate the master of none talk which is constantly being proven as baseless and just not true; man i sure do think this 9.2G+ platform that has the engine output to pull off the runway and hit an immediate vertical climb with no burner is outdated and not a good investment
@FatherExo - we need more people like you to talk about this cause there is lot's of BS out there (not just about F-35 but any system platform).
His whole point is that AI should be at a point where it can replace pilots which makes sense. The only reason it isn’t is because it hasn’t been funded and prioritised enough.
@ and the retort of Mover was that its not practical bc you need a human being with critical thought behind the stick… which I wholeheartedly agree with
I read that the US military currently has a fair portion of f-35s not in working order (like 30-40%) such that they need more maintenance or whatever it is that I don't know about. while the target that we would wish to have is that only 20-25% of planes are "out of order" given (I've heard) the f-35 is hard to maintain I'm not sure this is an easy issue to fix but I'm assuming the
@kavinbala8885 1) half true depending on how you look at it
2) the only thing needed at any given time that hinders mission capability is parts and support equipment, not the ability to perform maintenance or how intermittent the maintenance is
3) the target is propositions made by bean counters and exaggerated and used as munitions against the aircraft by MSM
4) its not hard to maintain
As someone who has no war fighting experience and no experience designing fighter jets and combat drones, I'm not going to listen to someone who doesn't have any experience in those matters either.
Elon is a military defense contractor and he designs spacecraft.... and he knows how to balance a checkbook.
But hey... go look up what the Navy said about the Zumwalt's to get them and now they want the next shiny thing.
After listening to his description of Hyperloop, I have no respect for his technical prowess or knowledge. "It's literally no more complicated than your air-hockey table, I promise. It's not that hard." This guy has left a trail of failed transportation projects behind that no minion dares talk about.
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He does NOT design spacecraft. He has people for that, and it's not him.
@wrayday7149 Rockets and satellites are different animals, we're talking about fighter jets and drones.
@@Skank_and_Gutterboy Chill with the wacky conspiracy theories, he's literally the Chief Engineer of SpaceX.
He's comparing apples and fish and doesn't know it.
Or your misunderstanding his point on the future if warfare.
@@randomuser942464 Just like when people made the point that you didn’t need a gun in a fighter and you didn’t need to learn dogfighting.
@@randomuser942464 "Who needs to spend money on conventional weapons like ships and aircraft? NUKES are the future of warfare!" -US Congress in 1948
Totally agreed
On the thumbnail it said "Elon doesn't like the F35"
*NEWS FLASH:* Elon doesn't like any technology that he can't claim he invented.
Can you imagine the amount of nicknames given to Elmo by the hoards of engineers he surrounds himself with?
He's basically The Simpsons monorail guy.
A good friend of mine works at ESA as a propulsion engineer, and the stories she tells, that she hears from SpaceX colleagues is astounding. Several employees theres main job is to keep Elon away from the actual engineers. They do not want a Cybertruck or Hyperloop situation 😂
How many multi billion dollar companies have you got? None? Stfu then.
Nice shout out, there can’t be two monorail guys at the same time, surely? 🍊🤡 will jealous. Is the USA now shelbyville?
Lol keep crying woke gay boy. Elon is the head engineer and designer at nearly all his companies. Actual engineers who work for his companies have confirmed this.
Politely disagree. Lyle Lanley was charismatic. Elon has no discernible personality.
I just think it's funny that the guy who created the world's ugliest "truck" doesn't like the world's ugliest fighter jet.
That title belongs to the YF32.
@mikewaterfield3599 Never used. There certainly are uglier concepts though.
@@mikewaterfield3599 X-32
@ technically she did get a Y designation. That thing however is objectively the ugliest combat aircraft ever devised outside the Soviet Union.
@ fair, I could anything that made it to a Y stage of development.
Regarding the conversation from around 17:00, look at what happened with the kids that got stuck in the cave in Thailand and how Elon 'the genius' Musk treated the actual experts in cave diving...
Fun fact: Vernon Unsworth had zero expertise in diving, you're just a victim of disinformation and apparently damn proud of it 🤣
@@liquidsnakex Maybe you should go fix wiki then. He's an experienced caver with knowledge about that specific cave, he's listed as an experienced diver, and the two often go hand in hand at least to some level. Ok, for the sake of argument he had no experience and was just a front spokesperson, maybe it's possible he took advice from the thousands of other *actual* dive experts at the scene calling MuZk's idea plain nuts? Remember Hyperloop? Not exactly a guy with feet on the ground.
@@liquidsnakex another maga 🐑, the world has enough, thanks
Wasn't that the same submarine that wouldn't have fit through the narrow passages of the cave?
@@theussmirage yep musk is about as smart as my pet rock!
Elon showing his ego more and more on everything, in the end lot of people will be disappointed on his performance outside of his domain
That's what they said when he entered the spaceflight domain......
@@Truth_Hurts528 It's what he proved when he entered the owning Twitter domain.
@@Truth_Hurts528the man’s a douchebag. The guy still can’t deliver autonomous self driving for cars in over 10 years while his competitors have passed him out. Without latching onto Trump Tesla is gone as BYD and the likes are all passing them out. All he cares about at t his point in time is share price. He doesn’t give a crap about anything else. SpaceX are thriving despite him not because of him.
remember his domain is using up the worlds supply of ketamine. he isnt good for much else 0 engineering knowledge beyond what it would take to beat the tutorial levels of polybridge but that is about it.
@@Truth_Hurts528 You know what the saying is among people who actually do work at SpaceX? "Thank god for Tesla".
Elon has becoming a shining example of the Dunning Kruger effect.
problem is the ketamine and ego keep him from getting past mount stupid and falling into the pit of despair and realization.
Elon is right though. The f35 is the most ridiculous expensive program of all time. It’s unbelievably expensive to the definition. Compare it to what Elon has achieved with his rockets. I’m sorry but more engineering went into his rocketry than the f35 project.
@@RedTeufel no
@@RedTeufel So he bought a company and uses NASA developed technology, then lets his engineers tweak it. OK.
NASA could do the same, but they aren't allowed to use crashes as part of their development strategy.
@@RedTeufel nasa would have been shut down if it blew up a fraction of the rockets that space x has lol
Well that's terrific, what happens if you get in a heavy EW environment and you lose the SATCOM your drone fleet becomes an easy target. No doubt there may well be a time the manned fighter becomes obsolete but it's not there yet, no doubt that time is going to come but it's not there yet.
The Next generation fighter is going to have multiple drones that pair with a manned fighter. This is the step and the US is already developing this tech.
ok so it's an easy target? the missile costs more 😂
You know in that kind of environment, even a manned aircraft’s ability to know where it is, know where the target is, and bring weapons on target is not much better than drones.
God you guys talk like we are in medieval times. Future jet sized drones will use Starshield and laser uplinks that can't be jammed.
@@skellington2000they are too stupid to realize
Elon sounds smart until he talks about a topic you are knowledgeable about lol
elon sounds smart until he talks lol
sorry you had some extra words in there taht was gumming up your comment 🤣🤣🤣
He tries to not debate with those knowledgable on subjects quite deliberately to sound rather more smart than he actually is, he much prefers yes men and those willing but noticeably without the specific skills to test him. He is most smart indeed at finding and using people who really are smart in what they do while happily taking the credit for it. It’s a skill but not one that we should accept unchallenged, but sadly his power and cult like status make confronting him a difficult sometimes dangerous occupation.
He doesn't even sound smart when he talks about stuff he, allegedly and supposedly, knows about.
Isreal just carried out a mission deep into Iran with no losses with the F-35, so it's definitely top notch.
Haven’t they done the same with the F-15 and F-16 also?
Also remember Israel is still not telling us how many F-35 were destroyed in that missile attack.
Israel Air Force has countless successful missions going back to 1967, and the highest kill ratio, all before the F35 was even conceived 😂
@@grospipo20 No 4th or 4.5 gen aircraft would survive over the Ukraine battlefield ......the 5th gen F-35 would own the sky and ground.
They didn't enter Iranian airspace lol.
Israel are at the pointy end, if they think it’s the platform to lead a strike, when they have F15s following them, tells the story
Elon is confusing the Cybertruck with the F-35 😂
Maybe the idea is to have the drones put on a show for the enemy forces and distract them because no way is a tiny drone going to lift a 2,000 lbs JDAM, let alone carry it hundreds of miles !
Ah, the Cybertruck. Or, as I like to call it, the Incelica.
Yes confronting his views just needs a modicum of common sense when he goes off piste doesn't it. He forgets endless trial and error and missed time timeframes in war is of a wholly different level and risk than wiping out Starships, You need to stay in the fight as you experiment and doing that by making largely unsubstantiated substantially amateurish claims about what will and will not work for a future conflict as if it’s proven fact will get you defeated very quickly.
I'm surprised the phrase "Loyal Wingman" didn't come up in this discussion. I personally think that's going to be the "sweet spot" in the autonomy spectrum for like, the next two or three decades. A crewed F-35 "driver" complimented by a swarm of drone wingmen seems to combine the best of both worlds with few of the drawbacks.
Also the F-35 has become surprisingly cheap per copy at this point-- if we need any sort of manned presence at all on the aerial battlefield they might as well be sitting in F-35s.
17:15 you are giving musk far too much credit. When he was disappointed by his tweets not getting as much attention as they used to and he asked a team of programmers at twitter, one of them said "maybe it's because you aren't as popular as you used to be." Musk fired that guy on the spot. He only surrounds himself with yes men these days.
We had a couple of people with power that where like this before in world history. It never ended well.
What is moving the frontline in Ukraine is Russia using 1500 kg glide bombs against fortified positions at scale.
Surely not a Model S Plaid 😂
And Shovels!
And the mega attacks on logistics and headquarters in the rear with their iskanders.
@@slezyorla Nahh but the cybertruck could be used. But i dont think it will glide that well.
In the broader context, Elon is looking to trim the defense budget. My concern is that he might begin cutting programs like F-35 procurement (and promotion to foreign markets) without understanding the necessity and interconnection of what he's removing. The F-35 is more than a single combat platform, it's an integral component of our modern multi-domain combat strategy. Beyond that, it's a geopolitical tool which enables the US to be at the center of the defense needs of allied nations and even to entice the cooperation of countries who might want to get under our umbrella.
There are valid complaints of every combat weapon system's development. Commonly, the F-35 is ridiculed for its high development and maintenance costs. Given that the F-35 should be regarded as three separate aircraft with commonalities, its cost is not as outrageous as it seems. In comparison to the only other 5th generation aircraft in US service, the F-35's per unit cost is far less than the F-22.
For the most part, mainstream awareness of the F-35 has been influenced by adversaries like Russia and China who want Western voters to be unduly concerned and misinformed about the effectiveness and capabilities of the aircraft.
At the moment AI isn't ready to take combat roles from human decision making and, given the concerns he has expressed in the past about the dangers of AI, I would be surprised to see Elon support giving AI such autonomy over weapon systems.
As a fan of SpaceX and their design philosophies, I don't think the same process used to design Starship can be applied to the design of systems meant to deploy weapons.
problem is elon is the stupidest person in the room at all times except around tRump but he just isnt smart enough to figure it out. he knows little to nothing about space or spacecraft either ... he is currently trying to get to the 1960's but hasnt figured out nasa already has done what he is trying to do and he cant seem to understand ctrl+c then ctrl+v
Our modern multi-domain combat strategy is terrible cause we have not won a war with a decent power since WW2 we spend trillions of dollars on defense stuff with nothing to show for it. The USA is on the weakest economic footing that it has ever been.
excellently articulated comment. It should be pinned, IMHO - Especially the part about Chinese and Russian disinformation campaigns designed to affect public opinion and thus, official actions
6th gen NGAD concept contains manned fighters with unmanned companions called Loyal Wingman. It’ll be costly but the best of both worlds. You have to spend $ to stay on top.
Not just 6th gen, the 'Loyal Wingman' program is also being designed to operate alongside the F35.
@@restitvtororbis5330 Loyal wingman...... sitting safely stateside in some dark room in mommies basement.
lot of people forget elon's HYPERLOOP. We are all riding on hypeloop nowadays.
guess you forgot his rockets that can land themselves 😂
Or the tunnels we have to use with our cars
@@david7384 NASA's DC-X did that way back in the 90s with far less computing power than we have today.
While only a proof on concept for vertical takeoff and landings, maybe Enron MuZk -head of Teslanos - took knowledge from that?
If he didn't, it doesn't make a good engineer to re-invent the wheel.
@@david7384 Wich where invented by actual engineers and patented BEFORE he got into the company.
@@gottagowork you're clearly an example of the people that lack nuance like the dude was saying in the clip above.
obviously elon musk is kind of a big dumdumb and a manchild with a massive ego and a snake oil salesman and nobody is getting hyperlooped onto mars with their electric supercars with the cold gas thrusters through the tesla tunnels and recharging their brain implants with their solar roof tiles on their heads while on the way there in order to arrive on mars by 2015 and set up a new civilization or whatever..
but at the same time, it's not like it's just empty air between his ears. he's clearly smart in some ways and has done a very good job with his satellite internet and his rockets that can now do some really impressive stunts, and he has created a company for electric cars that while admittedly being pretty low quality and filled with ridiculous promises of super duper artificial intelligence nonsense that may accidentally swerve into oncoming traffic and kill you instead of driving you is still a very successful company that is worth a lot of money and that has sold a whole bunch of vehicles over the last decade or whatever.
so i don't know why you wanna take that away from him. i really don't think that anybody else has created giant towers with giant metal arms to catch giant rockets the size of skyscrapers in order to be able to rebuild them and get more than single use out of them. it's pretty cool stuff. sure as heck ultimately accomplished more than you and me.
no need to be petty and bitter and to attempt to take his accomplishments away from him. you can just be a normal person and be like "yep elon musk is a big baby and a massive egomaniac that has pushed a lot of ridiculous scams, but his rockets and satellites are pretty cool and his cars are alright" and just wish him the best when it comes to doing more of the cool useful stuff and less of the scams in the future.
it's not really that deep or that complicated. people can have both good and bad qualities and both successes and failures. it doesn't have to be a pick between one or the other.
Drone light shows aren't unique to China. We have them here too and some events are replacing fireworks with them 😢
Yes, but America's enemies are Musk's big thing. Americans are idiots for allowing what has happened. Russia & co are now in your establishment. Everyone in Europe can see it. Have a nice day.
To quote Foghorn Leghorn, Elon, "is about as sharp as a sack of wet mice".
What does that make you? I'm pretty sure he is smarter than you.
Saying fighter jets or planes are obsolete because of drones is like saying trucks or trains are obsolete because of cars, or jackhammers are obsolete because of hammers. They are completely different tools. Why is this so hard for Elon to understand.
The F-35 admittedly had quite some toothing problems, but at present it appears all these start-up problems are ironed out
Its strength appears to be its electronics, its economy of scale (1000+ built, 3000,+ projected) and its reliability. A plane like that can project power with heavy missiles, something that a fleet of cheap drones can't.
I didn't hear the Israeli's complain about its performance
I suspect it will be decades before it becomes obsolete (which of course it will inevitably become).
Good video, guys!
If they did have complaints about its performance, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be made as a public announcement.
reliability: nope
@@gottagoworkyeah, they wouldn’t use it. But they did
Common folk act like the F-35 is the only fighter that's ever had teething issues.
No F-22s have crashed since it's R&D years and that was one jet.
I'm just hoping he doesn't affect F35 output from Lockheed Martin or Government spending on the platform. The more misunderstood this aircraft is to those outside the platform, the better. Honestly, I'm happy people not in the know call it "Fat Amy", "ugly" , "can't dogfight"... just buy into it. But leave production alone - you've no clue just how capable this jet is.
And you would be shot down before you knew the 5th gen was even there. The network capabilities alone make 4th gen obsolete in modern long range missle exchanges.
You are making the people who marketed 5th gen so happy right now.
4th, 4.5 and 5th gen all have datalink, if a 5th gen acts as an AWACS for 4th gen, the 4th gen can still do damage (and at a cheaper cost).
network capabilities can be bolted to nearly any plane. Long range missiles can be mounted on about any upgraded 3rd gen or newer plane.
A 5th plane turning its radar on, will be detected by 3rd gen if its electronics are fully up-to-date. And that is exactly what the F-35 is, just a expensive platform. The systems bolted on to it,makes it effective The plane, design and capabilitys as fighter, nope.
OK, a few things here. Elon is an entrepreneur and a marketer. He is not an engineer or inventor. Frankly I value his opinion on defense or military matters roughly the same as I value the opinion of career lawyers and politicians on such things. A pilot can not be jammed. FULL STOP! Personally I despise the price tag of the 35 and how we shared the IP with our “allies”. Frankly I can’t understand why the 23 being a stealthier and and far longer legged airframe was not put into service.
Elon’s opinion is just that. Given the guy is not an aviator on any level, and I’m fairly certain he has never fired a weapon at a range much less in anger. We don’t need to listen to him.
The F-35 is no more expensive than the F-16.
Elon is an engineer and an inventor...... you might want to reassess your evaluations.
Chill with the conspiracy theories... he's literally the Chief Engineer of SpaceX.
@@liquidsnakex
Again, elon is not an engineer.
He graduated with a BSc in physics and a BA in economics. After graduation, Musk moved to California to pursue a PhD in energy physics, but he left the course in just two days and launched his first company, Zip2, in 1995.
@@bigearl3867 Reality doesn't give two fu cks about what degree you have... he'll still be the Chief Engineer of the most advanced spacecraft company on the planet, whether you like it or not.
I'm 35 years old, have never had a girlfriend, and am 5 years away from being able to do a really accurate halloween costume of The 40 Year Old Virgin. I say all this to establish just exactly how little I know about having sex, so that I can confidently point out that Elon Musk knows less about the military than I know about fucking.
Well that's unfortunate for you and the D.o.D., 'cause Elon is taking a shovel and bucket to the later.
@@MicMc539 No he is not! Elon has no power. Z-E-R -O ! He can tweet shit about the F-35 until hell freezes over, doesn't mean Trump is going to move on it. Trump relies mainly on Pete Hedseth for Military decisions. That is the opinion you want to watch for. Also, Congress is not going to easily let the F-35 get cancelled. There were many attempts for the executive branch to cancel the A-10 and its still around because of Congress.
This is the best comment I've see all day 😭😭
Bull. If you were really as described, you'd be a massive Elon stan.
This comment needs to be put on a fucking plaque in RUclips's Comment HOF room.
He talked about electric cars. I don't know anything about cars, so when people said he was a genius I figured he must be a genius.
Then he talked about rockets. I don't know anything about rockets, so when people said he was a genius I figured he must be a genius.
Now he talks about software. I happen to know a lot about software & Elon Musk is saying the stupidest shit I've ever heard anyone say, so when people say he's a genius I figure I should stay the hell away from his cars and rockets.
That happens a lot. Whenever I read an article, etc about something I know well, it is abundantly apparent that they have absolutely no idea what theyre talking about.
Why would I assume its different when they speak about stuff I dont know well?
You should educate him. I'm sure you could do a better job than Tesla and xAI.
Tesla cars were not Musk's original idea. Two US engineers had their own company that designed and built the first now 'Tesla' electric cars. Musk invested in the company using some of the money he made from selling PayPal shares. Musk then proceeded to buy the original Tesla engineers out and took over the company. Musk is good at getting money from investors, that is all. He is not a car or rocket engineer.
He's not really a technical guy. He's a CEO and he hires people to work for him who know way more about the technology than he ever will. But the public seems to have this idea that he's Tony Stark working on this stuff by himself (perhaps with the help of AI).
He’s only good at taking money from investors. He’s not a technical guy or very smart at all. He’s just a CEO who is good at scamming simple-minded people.
The difference between a human and software is that software can only make pattern-matched decisions on data it has access to from the past and whereas a human has imagination and intuition to adapt to situations where there is no relevant data. Software will get more and more capable, but it will always be limited.
Human ability to improvise is only relevant when there is time. For air combat while in the air, it’s mostly pattern matched decisions based on existing data even for humans, there’s even a fancy word for it, Training.
@@xuansu9036 - That's true if you are in a predefined dogfight or SAM evasion mode but there are many other scenarios where a unique situation occurs and AI will likely fail. Consider the Battle of Midway or Battle of Brittain and if humans had not done illogical actions then the outcome might have been total failure. Creativity and thinking outside the box will always be the purview of humans even though they have many other problems relative to AI robots.
@@WJV9 if we use AI program that plays game of Go as example, AI is actually much more creative than humans.
@@xuansu9036because Go has fixed parameters and relatively simple mechanics. in a game of Go, you are not going to randomly see a previously undefined card, or a play using a previously unspecified game mechanic. a human will still adapt to a novel situation like that faster.
to give a reductive example for the sake of explanation, suppose you train a convolutional neural network on pictures or pigs and horses. with a decent labelled training set, you can build an impressively accurate predictive model as long as you only give it pictures of pigs and horses to predict. now you give it a picture of a dog - itll think its a pig or horse. perhaps you configure a "uncertain" category for these situations, but then what about a bright green pig with black stripes? the model will be uncertain, whereas a human will recognise it as a new type of pig. obviously this example is super basic, and there can workarounds for *anticipated* situations and edge cases, but hopefully it illustrates my point.
Jack of all trades and master of none, is often times better than master of one. That is the saying.
It's one of those quaint sayings that got reversed - like "blood is thicker than water" means the opposite of what everyone thinks it does.
Mr X's engineers didn't tell him that one. You can't appropriate what you haven't had explained to you.
That's literally not true, the "is often times..." was added later by people who wanted to combat the common saying. You can actually look that up and see I'm right. However, neither version of the statement applies here, as the F-35 was designed for a specific purpose and fills that specific purpose. It might apply if it was trying to be an F-15 and A-10, but it's not.
@@ncwolfe I looked it up. Apparently the original phrase was "jack of all trades" (16 century), with "master of none "added later (18th century), and the "is often times" added even later (21st). All comes down to if you consider specialization vs generalization to be preferable.
I'd of gladly (and again would) take a single A10 that was supposedly on dimension aircraft (that ended up performing nearly a dozen) over a a single POS 35 saving my ass now or ever again in the field. Face it.... The 35 SUCKS, which is why when izzynotsoreal could not even get across the syrian or iraq borders let alone into Iranian airspace before getting "LIT UP" by the Russian surveillance systems.
Remember that Elon is in the same friend group as Palmer Lucky’s Anduril Industries Autonomous Military Drone company. Elon’s tweet (which he boosted on his own social media platform) is just an advertisement for Anduril Roadrunner or Boeing Ghostbat fast jet drones
Jack of all trades, master of none,
But often times better than a master of one. Remind us of how that driverless car is going Heron Mask.
Its going pretty well. But not from Tesla.
Numerous armed services around the world are not just buying but routinely using F-35s. I've seen them in flight. I'm still waiting to see my first driverless car. I know various militaries are experimenting with driverless vehicles, but they won't be making present model driver dependent cars redundant any time soon.
Dude doesn't know people are literally using Telsa auto pilot daily and have thus travelled 1,610 millions miles without intervention and it is predicted to require 6Billion miles to achieve Full Self driving. Do you people realize that technology has a optimization growth curve and you don't snap your fingers & have said technology y'all are going to very dissapointed when code flies these jets better than your favourite pilot.
@@geraldg350 Muskovite doesn't know that that car's not going far without a driver anytime soon and will be disappointed waiting for that unsupported AI to do more than support roles for the manned aircraft.
@@bluecedar7914 Being a luddite doesn't stop technological progress nobody said it's going to happen soon. You do realize that technology has a optimization growth curve that is non linear? and you saying all that AI will ever do is a support role for a manned aircraft is the dumbest thing ever being that is the hill you are going to die on carry on. I'll bet my left testicle between you and Musk you're the most likely to be dissapointed about the future simply from your inability to predict something as simple at this.
That comment about the scene in Indiana Jones is exactly what I was thinking
Anyone else think its strange that the man who is against manned fighters because they are "obsolete" and a drone can do anything a manned craft can do, and better...still wants to send a crew on a suicide mission to...Mars?!
You could make a platform with sensors that are vastly superior to ours (human), fly it remotely, but there are two problems with that. The most obvious is expense - for now it would cost more than the human piloted counterpart, the second problem is the data link. I did ELINT in the Navy for many years - if it transmits, we can find it, if it receives, we can interrupt it. It doesn't matter how complex you make that air gap, all you need is a set of antennas and a wide band receiver. When you know what the spectrum typically looks like, you can trivially see any deviation. You don't need to know what the signal is, though it helps, what you really want to know is where it is and where it's going.
'Jack of all trades master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one' is the full quote
And the F35 is definitely not the master of none
Kinda funny about the guy who runs two engineering companies doesn't understand how G limits work on fighters.
he doesnt understand much of anything really just barel knows where his next ketamine fix is.
“Framing Dwagon” I almost spit out my protein shake, well done dude
I am in agreement. When the situation is splitting hairs; you want a living, breathing pilot in the equation that gives final authority. To make the judgement call.
The us already had a department for efficiency. Called different, but doing the thing.
When you can deploy multiple drones like that with the same time and distance capabilities of an F-35 then yes, maybe they will replace Fat Amy. Until then, hard no!
Google range and dwell time of MQ9 and RQ4.
Google range and dwell time of F-35
A pilot is under stress from G's and sitting in a confined space wondering where the enemy is.
A drone operator is sitting in an airconditioned Conex wondering where his Monster Energy Drink went.
Which one is under more stress and afraid of dying?
@@wrayday7149 now factor in payload capabilities and radar cross-section. there are things you can put on fat amy that you can't put on an MQ9 and places you can sneak the stealth fighter in but you can't the drone etc.
@@wrayday7149 Is an MQ9 or RQ4 survivable in a contested environment? No. You really should listen @cpthf3535 as it appears he knows quite a bit more than you.
@@cpthf3535you could make fat Amy a drone. The issue is being 100% confident in the decision chain of the drone. It has to be capable of autonomous action. Autonomous action with faulty, and possibly constantly changing, information.
@ I would not consider the Reaper or the Hawk in the same category as the off the shelf battery operated drones shown in his video. Get real. 🤨
What's the speed, range, and service ceiling of drones? Even suggesting that F-35s aren't needed is so degrading to morale and national security.
One thing he forgets is if we make everything automated, war is just gonna become normal and common place.
I say keep everything manned, it will remind us of the cost and futility of war, and thus, why we shouldn't wage it in the first place.
That's fucking dumb. Governments treat humans like meat for the grinder. I don't see you guys clamoring to end the Ukraine war which is a fucking death machine grinding people to dust.
Would you feel safe on the ground getting close air support from a muZk "certified" FSD that rely on cameras only for price reasons?
@@gottagowork Are you not aware that Predators and Reapers do ground support all the time?!
@@skellington2000 Are they on FSD? OP is about automation.
@@skellington2000 are you aware they are not relying on musky tech?
We don’t even know how to make general ai Elon is talking about. Everything we have now is literally thinking inside the box; it craps out as soon as you give it a novel problem.
True, this is the current state of the AI. So, the next US fighter will NOT be unmanned.
In the history of air-to-air combat between fighters and UAVs the fighters still remain undefeated.
8:20 Fun Fact: The word "man" derives from Old English "mann" (itself derived from Proto-Indo-European *mon or *monn) which simply meant "person" and did not indicate gender. "Wermann" meant male person (which also gave us werewolf, meaning "man-wolf"). Wifmann meant female person, hence "wife".
"Stay on the bomb run boys", oh wow, look at that dragon.
"Ai" as it is sold to the public nowadays shouldn't be called Ai in my opinion, because it is NOT intelligent at all. We are still waaaayyyyy away from real human-like intelligence.
Elon is trying to scare us with Ai and what it could be, because he's just trying to make publicity, and that's it... He knows well at which stage Ai is currently (or maybe he is not...).
Ai that we have today is "dumb" Ai, it's just a tool maybe to help or assist on certain task and that's it... But we are still lightyears away from '2001 space odyssey' Ai.
People just don't understand how complex the humain mind, intelligence and brain is, And that is not something that's going to be replicated artificially soon, not in the near future that's for sure.
Now onto the Military aviation domain, can a Ai drone beat a real pilot in a 5 minutes dogfight ? Yeah maybe, but can it replace a real Pilot involved in a campaign/war with all its correlated complexity (like situation assessment, observation, judgement, experience, etc...) NOWAY. We will have to wait a looonnng time before that happen.
Like I said Ai is just a tool to assit on certain specific tasks and that's it !
An LLM can give you something that sounds exactly like HAL from 2001, the problem is that the output is unstructured, and, like you say, devoid of all intelligence. There is no meaning, no common sense, no concept of truth or fiction. That fancy human like response is just mindless generative prediction. The computer doesn't even 'know' it's doing this, computers don't know anything! They are finite state machines, we built them, there is no magic. If you want to see the best we can do right now, look no further than Siri, Alexa, Google, Bixby, and so on: Hey, turn on the flashlight: Here's what google has to say about "turning on a fleshlight".
He is trying to do with AI, what he did to SpaceX, and Tesla. He places himself as the authority on the topic, and scare mongers about the effects if he isn't in charge. Elon has a destructive God Complex that is darker than the casual observer knows. Read biographies on Elon. Read his insane Tweets. He is not all there, and his speech as become more, and more palsied.
You have no idea what you're talking about. I'm a software engineer and modern "AI", which are massive trained neural nets, will blow your mind.
You are so wrong its almost funny
@@ioijiopjkiopjkpif they are so good, why do we still need software engineers
The full quote is: Jack of all trades, master of none is often more useful than a master of one.
The dude has 12 kids with 3 different women.
Do you guys *really* believe he’s going to take inputs from others?
only from that ketamine addled smooth brain hes got floating around with plenty of x-tra empty space in his skull.
Remind me, when are Teslas going to be self driving? Was it 2018? In the 60s we had the "missles will replace aircraft" argument. Pilots are inherently flexible and their command link to the jet can't be hacked
Hey genius what do you think the crew dragon is? It's 100% autonomously flown
@@TheMagicJIZZ thanks, it's been a week since someone has called me a genius. However, I'm struggling to understand your point. Computers are very good at routine, which people are bad at. Computers are very bad at abnormal, which people are good at. So if you can plan it computer's will be good at it, spaceflight is a great example of this, unless something goes wrong. Driving & military flying are bad examples of this, there are too many things which change dynamically. Now, what was your point? Because you can build a robot spacecraft you can build a robot fighter aircraft?
How is the Cybertruck automated driving program doing ?
Translation…
Elon: I want the USA to pay for my AI..
The factor that will keep pilots in the cockpit, at least until very advanced AI is developed, is the radio link to UAVs can be interrupted. Drones can be jammed, but Slim Pickens will fly the bullets and bombs into the AO and pull the trigger. UAVs and piloted jets will work together for a long time.
“Noookillr combat! Toe te toe wit the Rooskies!”
If somebody hacks our drone fighters...they can use them against us...
Our pilots can't be turned against us...
Can someone be a smart and an idiot at the same time? Yes, see elon.
The smart part is vanishing....
@@afp259 thats the ketamine
What’s even more scary about consumer drones is just how good and ubiquitous autopilot modules are. We can see automated terrorist attacks on a scale never witnesses before
Any unmanned has to have a downlink in order to be controlled.. that datalink can be jammed.. then you either lose the drone/mission or need to have it to be autonomous.. and do you really want an autonomous drone shoting weapons? can you garantee it wont mistake allies with enemies ..or civilians?..
Sorry i just dont see them replacing meatballs...at least entirelly/majority
Hes said AI
@@mp40submachinegun81 wich takes us to problem 2: Would you trust an AI to make war for you?
@@sparrowltThe enemy will.
@@mp40submachinegun81 The same ai that currently cant even think outside the box and can only do stuff it was programmed to do by people? That fails when asked for cake recipies? That ai should be capable of reading and understanding a conflict zone?
@@zombi111980 you do know that all AI is not the same, right?
Aegis already uses AI specifically for that issue of reading and understanding the conflict zone. That exists and is active duty. The only difference is that Aegis still has someone pushing the button.
Oh look, these drones are so pretty! Imagine what people can do with those 🤩
Why do people who know nothing about the topic feel the need to comment. Social media is rotting people’s brains and stroking their ego to the point where they feel like they can comment on anything and be endlessly affirmed by their followers. Dunning Kruger in full effect.
Musk has a point. It’s impractical to have a fighter you can’t mass produce in times of conflict and really can’t afford to lose too many in combat as you can replace them
Who cares what Elon thinks about anything.
I do. He has a great track record.
Cry about the election boy
@@The_Cyber_Nomadno he doesn’t. He has zero expertise on military equipment and military aviation and it’s obvious his opinion is just as valuable as that of some random RUclips commenter.
@@kingwein89cope. You have nothing of value to say and you know full well he is a massive ignoramus. You worship him because you think he is “owning the libs” and you have zero critical thinking skills. Get a grip.
@@percilenis8464 What color is your military satellite launch vehicle?
"Jets no good because drones make pretty picture."
-elon Musk
Jets are too expensive because I and my friends don’t sell them. Let’s make drones so we can make my friends and the drone industry more money
Musk is correct. F-35 is good at everything but great at none. Some suggest air superiority. That is nonsense. F-22 with latest mods vs F-35 with same... slaughter and F-22 is rather long in the tooth.
17:1 at Red Flag, dogfighting Dutch F-16s with 2000lbs bombs on the bay, it's great at everything.
In Gundam lore the weapon systems known as bits and funnels are where launch-able drone design ideas need to get started from. The concept of an autonomous smart missile capable of providing wingman level capabilities as far as offense and defense that keep the pilot in the kill chain while minimizing how much how much said pilot has to manage but can control who that “funnel drone wingman” can target and defend. It’s the balance complementing the adaptive nature of man(and survival instincts) with the efficiency of A.I. expand the strengths of both while complimenting the weaknesses.
Who cares what he means😂😂😂😂
The original statement by Eisenhower was "military-industrial-congressional complex"
Live by the sword, die by the sword. Sometimes you get exactly what you ask for. Much respect to you Mr. Mover and Gonky but.... "whatever he says I'm open to it"?? Come on Gonky I really like you man. He is crapping on what you guys have built and fought so hard for in LIFE. Yeah "we" put him in government, good job? If the higher ups in the Military are unreachable and out of touch I wonder how our new Billionaire Administration Club will listen????
I knew this video was coming as soon as I saw Elon's post about the F-35. :D
did he just call the people at Lockheed/skunk Works idiots…
I would call the people who wrote the specifications fpr the F-35 stupid. Lockheed just had to do their best to get that thing flying somehow and i bet there where many engineers who thought the same as Elon
Commin from the dude who sells cybertrucks....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I don't see the new administration as one that believes in experts
Cope, seethe, dilate
@@liquidsnakex cope? seethe? dilate?? what??? dude its ok you can be part of the maga crowd and continue to be a dupe and get duped as long as you are happy i will continue to dupe you dupes it makes me rich! totally mean duplicate that is totally what dupe means because the censors
I remember there's like two games that say why having your air force be mostly unmanned aircraft is a bad thing
Interesting discussion. I haven't heard what you guys think on this so thanks for beating the dead horse.
Also Elon and the "DOGE", yes he could improve efficiency but I'm kind of worried that Trump administration fell over at the first hurdle by appointing two people (Ramaswarmy being the other one) to do this job? Like...that isn't efficient bruh... And 100% they are going to argue given how big both their egos are.
Ramaswamy is mostly there to be the public face/mouth of it, Musk is a great engineer but not nearly as good of an orator as Ramaswamy.
@@liquidsnakex I somehow doubt that...Ramaswarmy is arrogant as hell, no way he will accept just being a mouth piece for Musk. I would bet all my Tesla shares on this (if I had been smart enough to buy any a decade ago lol :o)
@@Sebastian-rr7de Ramaswamy doesn’t strike me as particularly arrogant, especially considering that arrogance is just pride without the accomplishments, yet he’s quite accomplished himself.
He’d obviously be involved in the decision making process too. I meant more that he was likely put there so that they also have someone on hand who’s a slick public speaker, as opposed to just Musk who’s often a little too blunt for the average joe.
First of all the DOGE is more than two guys. More minds are joining the organization. So we'll see what they accomplish or how many egos bump heads. Second, the DOGE is not a government organization. All it does is research, audit, assess and make recommendations to the executive branch, which is more than The President. So there are a lots of view points to filter ideas through. It has no power, which means ELON has no power. Third, some of cuts will require an act of Congress, which is another filter. So Coalition building is still the name of the game if Trump wants to get anything done and the GOP doesn't have enough seats to dominate the Filibuster.
@@liquidsnakex elonia musk is not an engineer at all he is a ketamine fueled grifter who is conning his shareholders out of cash.
People are confused. 30 years ago, airplanes were airplanes and competed with each other on that basis. The F-35 is not a plane, per se. A collection of flying F-35s is a stealthy radar/sensor, jamming, and targeting network. It's apples and oranges. People have been erroneously judging the F-35 by thinking it's an "airplane" since the beginning. The fact that the F-35 AIRFRAME tries to be too many things to too many people is irrelevant in this context.
He is basically trying to plant the idea in your mind and that his tech would be capable of doing better. If only he could actually get full self driving to work
True, but self-flying is even easier.
@@XAJUSS What is sky deer?
It´s like " Let´s build Battleships ,now that everyone else has Hypersonic missiles "
Elon is a russian asset
He is his own asset he thinks highly of himself.
There is no Department of Government Efficiency. He is at best an advisor to the future administration. They may propose cuts in a budget, but it is Congress who appropriates funds.
Sorry, but Elon is not an expert on fighter aircraft. Yes, he's a brilliant engineer, but using that Chinese drone show as an argument against manned fighters is not becoming of a brilliant engineer. Having said that, the drone shows are cool. They did one at the Abbotsford Air Show back in August. ruclips.net/video/v6seo7OOA08/видео.html
Well boeing can't get a rocket to space and they're a huge military contractor. I'd love for you to find someone smarter than musk at any manufacturer.
@@randomuser942464 He's still not an expert on the military and fighter aircraft. He should stick to rockets.
Is he really an engineer in this area of expertise? 😂
Engineer in what?
He's not a brilliant engineer. He's a CEO. A fairly successful one at that, and one with at least a bit of a technical background. But he's not some super genius who is working on everything by himself. Closer to Howard Hughes, who had ideas, but also a small army of very talented people to perform the actual science and engineering.
11:56 what you are saying is what computer scientists are saying: Thing that scares computer scientists and ai researchers is the “alignment problem” - we currently don’t know how to be certain the AI isn’t going to either turn on us or kill us by mistake.
This is what happens when you glorify a bussines man, as if it was a national asset genious level. Now deal with it.😂
Exactly!!
I mean...his companies are big assets to the USA.
Well heres the thing, he is neither and inventor or engineer. He is an entrepreneur. Ironically most of his business “success” was based on government subsidies for green projects of questionable legality and dubious validity.
@@chrisbreezy-ryanbarbosa4320how exactly?
@@mikewaterfield3599 Weird thing to say about the Chief Engineer of the most advanced spacecraft manufacturer on planet Earth 🤔
Mike Tyson said it bests: "Your fight plan goes great until you get punched in the nose."
I like Elon, but I wish he'd keep it to his businesses.
I liked him about 3 years ago. He is on a spiral right now.
We clean sheet designed the F-14, F-15, F-16, and F-18 (somewhat) effectively in the 70s. I think the issue is defense contractors greed.
Elon Musk is a serious industrialist. Is he a talented engineer or designer? Does he know anything about the military or military aircraft? Perhaps he should stick to his knitting and pull a J.K. Rowling.
He's the Chief Engineer of the most advanced spacecraft in human history and builds military spacecraft launch vehicles for a living...
@@liquidsnakex Did not know that musk personally sits in his garage hand dangling military spacecraft. No he does not and he only is the chief engineer because he owns the frigging company. The work is done by actual professionals working for his companys.
elonia isnt a serious industrialist unless you mean his use of ketamine on an industrial scale or spreading his germs to as many creeped out women as he can. the guy got lucky on investments and bought all of his titles. hes as smooth brained as the incoming administration not even one single wrinkle.
@@liquidsnakex its not the most advanced spacecraft in human history they are barely into the 1960's for heavy launch vehicles compared to nasa. and they have the plans for what nasa had and cant even figure out how to copy paste and build. all he has done is buy his titles and or assign them because he owns his company doesnt mean he is qualified even slightly.
@@TheEyeTeaManimagine working for 25 years non stop and beat Boeing and ford simultaneously disrupt every industry'
Only to get worms like you say he bought a title
I agree with you as battle scenarios are fluid, and in my humble opinion taking the human element out of the equation woud be a grave mistake. 🇺🇲
I know he isn't going to be SECDEF however, we know what ol' Bobby McNamara did with "efficiency" and the DOD during Vietnam.
You guys are so uninformed. The only reason why the US wins with F-35s and F-16s is because we use them to dunk on shit countries that have no money. In a war against a true adversary, the F-35s would be a disaster because wars are won on logistics and production. The Chinese will make 20 cheap jets per each F-35 and even if they are worse, they will eventually win by sheer numbers. Economies win wars. We didn't out smart the Germans in WWII, we out produced them. And in a war with China, say goodbye to making anything high tech since they control most of the worlds chip making capacity (they would just take Taiwan).
Cope. Cheap is d3ath in the sky. You want to fly cheap? Your radar will be worse, your jet engine will be worse, your RWR will be worse. All the countries the US dunked on believed in "cheap". How did it work for them?
No, China is very well aware of the enormous lead the US in stealth technology, and is trying to catch up, that's why they invest a lot in developing multiple programs analogous to the US stealth jets (J20, H20, J35, etc). In fact the whole entire world is playing catch up, not just the Chinese.
It's all DOGE theater for the torch carriers. F-35/JSF is a program started 30 years ago when dialup was the norm....and it's been the punching bag for anyone critiquing the bad side of US Govt procurement for about 27 of those years. Everyone knows it's a jobs program and probably OKAY at some things in the current arena....similar to many post ATF multi-role fighters that lacked focus and range. So it's a pretty boring subject at this point and water mostly under the bridge. China is the leader of small drone swarm tech and they are still building manned fighters... I would think Elon would go after the programs still in the design-ish phase like NGAD (which likely has an unmanned option) so maybe he's only smart about some things?
only smart on how to lie and where to get more ketamine
a drone pilot on the ground except, its a F-22 VS a F-22 with pilot on board? that would be interesting.
On the thumbnail it said "Elon doesn't like the F35"
*NEWS FLASH:* Elon doesn't like any technology that he can't claim he invented.
The biggest difference between a drone and a missile is in the time frame that it takes each to do their job. Missile has one job, and it takes several seconds to a minute before it finds its target (or not). In that time frame not much can change on the battlefield, so the pilot's decision to release it will still largely hold. Drone can take hours to loiter around until it starts doing anything constructive (or, rather, destructive). In the meantime, the context can change drastically, and the autonomous AI piloting it may not know or be smart enough to figure it out. It's definitely not there yet. I admire Elon, but sometimes I'm shocked by how simple some things are that he's just not getting.
MIL has some very good, large scale UAVs. Problem is ...control link is vulnerable, and fully autonomous drones ...they can't innovate enough, ...yet. He says it very well in the vid.
100 years ago, summoning a Tesla would've had a completely different meaning
The Idea of using the F-35 like a Quarterback, has merit.
Yes guy's very true ! BUT ! the question here is not about what Elon say ! it's about when Elon will officially wear KGB/FSB uniform OR clown suit 😁 because as you mentioned he is not stupid but in last year's he said some total 🐎 💩
I’ve heard the F-35 “jobs program” gripe before…I’m sure you recall the multi-billion dollar failures called the M-1, the M-2, the F-4, the F-15, the F-16, the F/A-18, the MIM-104 Patriot… Yeah, none of those worked…