Is saturated fat modifying cholesterol, or is the marginal iron in the meat that comes with saturated fat modifying cholesterol because of the pervasive general iron overload / bio-copper depletion condition due to the toxic, inorganic rusty iron filings saturating the processed food supply?
Every person who has come into contact with Thomas always says how nice of a guy he is. And the fact that he reached out to Layne to do some content together after he made a debunk video of him speaks volumes to the kind of person he is.
@@oldgrunt5569 No one else had Layne on their show after being called out. It’s unique no matter how you slice it. This is coming from a huge Layne fan btw. I’m not actually a big fan of most of Thomas’ content. And I completely agree that Layne and Israetel are the 2 best in the business hands down.
@@oldgrunt5569 I follow many, but take allot with a grain of salt Layne and Israetel have been the most reliable for me. I particularly like Mike because he covers the data and then often gives just real world advice
@@oldgrunt5569 there’s a 3rd option too which is just to do nothing at all lol. Like liver king for example. But I get your point. You take care too man. 😊
It is such a pleasure to hear these two guys engage in an intelligent, civil, unashamedly nuanced discussion about topics that people love to get really heated, and really dogmatic, about. It gives me so much more respect--and affection--for both of them than I already had. Thank you, Thomas and Dr. Layne!
Agree! There are so many opinions from different nutrition camps out there right now, but we don't often see people together having civilised debates on videos. Most of the individuals who say going vegan or going carnivore radically improved their health all switched to these lifestyles after eating the standard crap western diet. I've yet to hear of anybody switching from grass fed meat to vegan, or vice versa, and feeling better. The point is when people improve the quality of their food, there is always positive results. People should focus on ditching the crap before worrying about placing themselves into these camps at opposite ends of the spectrum! We need more people like Layne and Thomas who aren't afraid to admit when they may have been wrong. It's a pity most doctors and health professionals don't adopt this mindset, instead of spewing out something they were thought 20 years ago. Science is constantly evolving, so should they.
@@cocopopsbrahhh because the treatment is worse than the disease. Plus, its not the doctors best interest to cure / make you better, only to sell you pharmacuticals.
One reason I will Fast a little bit at times is to shrink my stomach so I'm not inclined to eat too much & so I'm not hungry through the day. If my stomach is stretched, I'm wanting to eat alot more thru the day & I gain weight
My great grandfather, grandfather, father and myself all had/have higher levels of LDL. I'm 60 and I have bloodwork all the way back to when I was 19 and joined the military. I've been on all the diets and the LDL range has little fluctuation. My great grandfather was extremely healthy and passed away peacefully at 96. My grandfather also worked his entire life and passed at 92. My father retired at 65, and religiously listened to his doctor. He was put on a low dose of statins, and was increased to a high level at aged 70. He had horrible side-effects, and was on the most bland diet imaginable. At 75 he had numerous health issues and at 77 he couldn't handle the pain and miserable life he had, and then took his own life. At 60, most guess I'm in my lower 40's, I can work hard all day at vigorous tasks, I hit the gym regularly and just enjoy life. If my LDL kills me a few years earlier, and I'm feeling good and enjoying life, I'll take it. It's better than stretching out a few more years in a miserable state of being.
There are many statins to choose from and alternatively other drugs (zetia, bempedoic acid, PCSK9 inhibitors). There's zero reason to live with high LDL these days.
It's hysterical to me now that youtube is drowning in fasting content, everyone who once hailed it as the next coming of Christ are now moving on. Gotta keep that $ flowing, no matter what!
I haven’t followed RUclips history. All I know is a high meat based keto diet plus intermittent fasting, plus a total of 12 days fasting( 2+2+2+3+3) took me from obese to six pack in 90 days. Now back bulking at day 110. I documented my weight loss on my channel. Plus I’m 45 and did it natty. There’s just no faster method than keto plus fasting in my opinion.
@@mikemiller5445 sorry, but that's nonsense. Extended fasts improve all biomarkers, increase autophagy, improve cognition, and does a lot more than improve body composition. There is a litany of scientific research demonstrating it. you are not well read
@BOZ_11 so starving populations should be the healthiest 😂😂 imagine ancient armies.... no no guys... we need to be depleted of all sustainance and we will crush that well fed army 😂😂 trust me
Fasting changed my life. I'm not going back, just switching things up to keep the body guessing and I eat according to my exercise schedule and needs. Carb cycling which I learned from the great Tom Venuto.
All in balanced state. Some days you eat, other you fast, some days you lift, other days rest, some days take it easy with carbs other days 3 day fast. People always go into black and white thinking which is not correct. It depends on the situation and the individual of what they need.
I would rather wait for the full study analysis. That being said, these individuals are LEAN and that's incredibly protective against all cause mortality.
I love your videos thomas! im 22 and your channel has changed me and my future families health for the better, so thank you for that. I would love to see a video where you do kind of a day in the life or a full day of eating some time soon, I think a lot of people would get so much value from it. Thanks and keep up the great work!
I don’t think I will go statins,I used to take one tab statins once a day,no side effects,for years, until one day I couldn’t move my Left arms full range that I cannot brush my hair, I saw an NP in doctors office she stopped my statin , after a week of not having that I am able to have a full range of motion in my arm. That’s it for me re statin.all of them gives me side effects suddenly ,except this last one that didn’t till one day after few years of taking it.
His PhD does not mean he has was taught the right information. Dom D'Agostino PhD shreds him in their debate. I have always looked past Layne because as u stated...he seems to take the mainstream food/medicine advice as gospel.
This was probably recorded before the new study released by Dr Budoff where they compared high LDL LMHR keto vs low LDL Miami Heart study and found no difference in plaque accumulation after almost 5 years in 55 year olds with almost a complete match of all other health markers.
That study is now underscored by the second of a two-part study headed by amazing researcher Dave Feldman and Dr. Nick Norwitz, released just yesterday, Dec 8th '23. Their results revealed NO Atheroschlerosis (plaque) progression was found in 80 Lean Mass Hype Responders on a Keto diet. This is significant, because it is plaque, not LDL, that is by far the stronger indicator of poor cardiovascular health. More investigation is needed into the role of HDL and its effects on the body - but let's not forget the name of the real culprit in all of the metabolic and cardiovascular ills modern man suffers stems from the overconsumption of such things as seed oils and carbs, i.e. SUGAR. Saturated fats in no way causes insulin resistance. Please listen to Professor Ben Bikman,, Doctors Ken Berry, Eric Westman, Lustig, etc. You might change your mind again ....
@@burby_geekStatins were likely given to most of those people with high plaque in the Miami heart study. Correlation isn't causation. That's not to say I'm not hopeful the results of the full study are beneficial.
Every time I see Layne in an interview I think the same thing: why doesn't he put good content out like that on his own channel? Why does he just click bait yell about low level stuff when he's actually intelligent & could give us so much more as he proves over & over again in interviews? More of this Layne!
Totally agree with you. I enjoy Layne when he is on other youtube channels like Thomas's and Peter Attia but I don't like his vibe on his own channel. He is way too patronizing and cocky on his own channel. He seems so chills and humbling on other channels than his own.
@charlesmuller120. That's because he's a coward. He always has been. He will talk sh*t from a distance, but then he always comes back down to being more reasonable and nice when face to face with people. He is not going to keep that same energy because he knows he can't without looking dumb
@@charlesmuller120 Exactly. He's "much better at home than on the road"... in sports language. Much more of a shit-talker on his channel than face-to-face in person, which is being a coward, IMO.
He tried that at first he did videos just like this but they didnt get views. Majority of people are stupid so they like clickbait and talking in ultimatums and dogmatic manner. Its his job afterall so he will do what gets more views. I dont really like his videos but i understand why he does it.
Arterial Plaque is made of misfolded proteins not cholesterol. The plaque is a shield the artery walls create to protect itself from inflamatory attacks not from too much calsium or cholesterol. Reasearch this yourself.
"Reasearch this yourself." lol Because everyone has a background in medicine and has the time and because the internet is not full of misinformation. Bro we are watching this video for answers. Your comment and this video are an example of the struggle most people have sifting through info. It is not as easy as "Reasearch this yourself." We are trying bruh! lol
@@oldgrunt5569he still seems arrogant. Which is sus on the health landscape that constantly changes. His LDL stance changed and could change again. Look at feldmans breaking analysis from 2 months ago, where sky high LDL keto participants showed no increased plaque burden at baseline after 5 years. Yes, it’s not a lifetime like mentioned in this video but 5 years is not insignificant for these findings. If this literature makes its way to him, he could change his mind again.
@@justinabajian1087if you don’t like someone because he “seems” too arogant and you can’t appreciate the immense amount of value he brings to the world through educating people as an actual scientist with integrity, morals and knowledge (contrary to most of these uneducated influencers that just scam people by selling them some bs and spreading misinformation) then you’re just too soft
@@spunkush any other credentialed doctor/scientist on RUclips. They’re all less arrogant than this guy who’s arrogant in spite of being wrong. He was probaly arrogant about the stuff he was wrong about before he changed his mind that he was wrong and remains arrogant even after being wrong. Again look at the study I referenced in the above comment. If that study is true, he could be wrong yet again.
Love that Thomas is honest and that he will change his mind if there is proper data to support. Thank you PS: one of the best "new format" videos TDL has made so far.
There's a long term study about to be released from one of the most respected researchers in the country that undercuts completely the high LDL concern.
Maybe Layne will make another video in a little bit saying how wrong he was. What a garbage review he gave when he did his "devil's advocate" spiel on LDL. Didn't even go into any of the data, mentioned the elderly at the start of it, but then only focused on cancer cachexia, like wut? GTFOH
that line "I can train like that because Im fueled like that." Totally get better workouts carb fueled but also in a mind state of thinking im not losing fat because im carb filled.
Losing fat has nothing to do with carbs. It’s about whether you expend the energy that you consume. I compete in wrestling so I require a high carb diet. Same with marathon runners, they usually get better times with more carbs.
@@ryanvinuya3021 Carbs are as much connected to weight loss as fats are. You can gain weight by eating protein but it is incredibly difficult. - This is why counting calories helps you learn how much carbs and fats you can eat at maintenance. - For me I eat between 150-300g carbs depending on when I’m competing in wrestling. I prefer cutting around 4kg for each tournament. In imperial measurements I walk around at 150-155 lbs and compete at 145 lbs.
The problem with Mendelian randomization studies is that it still does not correct for the fact the majority of the population is insulin resistant, which privides a unique physiology when compared to those that aren’t. It’s is very possible, and very likely when considering the data from lean mass hyper responders, that high LDL in the absence of inulin resistance is not as atherogenic as high LDL with insulin resistance.
This is an excellent point, and something I'd been wary of, as the Mendelian data seems to have had such an impact on the overall narrative, but as you say, it is still data collected in a vacuum. Relying so much on this has the potential to cause a lot of issues down the line.
I absolutely love this dialogue. Thomas, although not formally educated, is always willing to engage in discourse because he wants to put out the latest evidence-based information for his viewers. Love Dr. Norton too.
Not formally educated? Of course he is. What you mean is.....he didn't go on to further eduction for a specific speciality. You make it sound like he never went to school.
Yeah, Yeah, I meant to say he didn’t receive an education at all..So since you know, what’s his education background so I can mean correctly? Bet you can’t tell me, I MEAN, you can’t tell me!
Started carnivore and lost fat, hdl went from 45to67 triglycerides 115 to 70. My cholesterol went down a little total 270. Pain went away in hands and elbows. At 60 years old I feel much better.
@HB-zt1ed rubbish mate , most people have tried those things , they don't work , why do we have such an obesity problem , use your brain . Veganism may be ok for maybe 5 yrs , then sicknesses start , lack of nutrients , plain and simple ., vegetarians eat eggs , maybe fish and poison greens , proof of a little protein helps a little 😂
Next year Layne’s video on things he was wrong about and is changing his mind about: High LDL being a problem SPECIFICALLY with low carb diets. Cholesterol not raised through dietary saturated fat on low carbers, but is raised due to being lean.
I love that layne is with thomas, I believe layne its very anti "experimental" science without very solid research behind first, while thomas likes to try if the science its pointing to one direction. so its nice they have a talk
Why no push back, the latest studies cited about same calories for two individuals same energy expenditure and same age and health factors show eating all your calories in an eating window of say 8 hours show blood markers Improving drastically across the board and they loose substantially more fat and maintain same amount of Muscle over the Individual who eats the same amount of calories eating 6 times a day!!! Why no discussion?????
I feel that the title in the video image is somewhat misleading and kinda dishonest. Layne Norton, in my opinion, is one of the most honest, competent, and insightful individuals who debunk a lot of misinformation online.
It's refreshing see Layne in a gregarious mood instead of the usual Im-a-PhD-in-proteins-know-it-all. Kudos yo Thomas for reaching to Layne and both being able to sit and have a prodcutive respectful conversation.
When will you interview the great Tom Venuto? He's one of the first great natural bodybuilders that made nutrition and exercise mainstream. I owe my life to him. Also learned carb cycling from him
Would love to see what his new lifestyle and protocols are. My take on fitness and health is that whatever the approach is in your day and age, it can work. Tom and many others followed old school protocols such as six small meals a day with little fats, and were able to reach their goals.
Those old school bodybuilders knew what works. Perhaps in terms of longevity, science has advanced more with how to optimize and definitely constant sugar spikes aren't the best. Nonetheless, Venuto keeps the basics in check. I'm trying to do fasting according to my exercise schedule and needs. Also, I cycle my carbs but stay keto because I feel better, carnivore type with some blueberries. Also doing 72hr once in a while. But it's because I'm fit now. I lost the weight through consistent 72hr fasts and longer. Easiest weight loss of my life. WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT TOM VENUTO IS UP TO NOW. MY RESPECTS TO THAT MAN.
Every 6-10 months I can’t digest food as well and I start getting bloated after meals. I fast for 1-4 days and bam I can eat even more food than before the fast no problem and I end up able to put on more size and weight than pre-fast as fast as a week after the fast.
Lame Norton? Ya there’s someone I want to listen to. Debunked by your friend Bart Kay numerous times. When you’re wrong, you’re wrong and you will be called out.
I don't fast for any of the reasons he suggests. I fast 16 hours every day because I want my body to metabolically shift from burning my glucose stores to burning my fat stores. I also do it to reduce inflammation throughout the body and most importantly in the brain. I fast because it makes me feel great and I seem to have much cleaner and long lasting energy. I also never feel hungry, and I'm not strict about caloric intake at all. I'm only strict on my 8 hour eating window. I've discovered that working out in a fasted state feels much better for me, but the downfall is that I cannot immediately follow my workout with protein because of the calories that come with it. So for that reason I supplement with perfect aminos.
What do you guys think about Ray Peat and saturated fat? He believes saturated fats are protective. I have been taking a high saturated fat diet and feel great
You should probably look up his credentials and watch some of his content then. I like what Thomas has been doing recently but Layne is zero bs and knows how to read and interpret studies. He's as legit as it gets. That's why he is invited on Attia's podcast.
17:55 it’s not about whether ldl is oxidized or not, it’s about whether endothelial lining is smooth or not. Unoxidized ldl does not penetrate smooth endothelial lining
I've seen some people stating (of course they refer to some studies) that LDL is not related to coronary artery calcification in people that eat a good diet (no junk food) with high fat content (mainly from meat). And that coronary artery calcification is a better predictor of heart disease. What are your views on that?
"apo B and LDL-C go together, you can't really disconnect them"... I would argue that in some cases they are disconnected. This situation is called a discordance.
This guy also says organic produce is the same as glyphosate GMO, let that sink in. I saw an Instagram post of his about this topic and left a comment, he defended his post. SMH
Hey Thomas.. I’ve been falling back on your content for all things Nutrition.. been watching you since 2017 when I went keto and lost 70lbs over a year. Also corrected my Blood sugar, High BP, fatty liver and overall energy levels. But since then I’ve been increasing carbs and haven’t been able to maintain my weight (thankfully other markers are still in normal range)- major carb addict here, I’m ashamed to say.. life’s ups and downs affect my ability to eat well. All the science debunking the state of ketosis, low carb, fasting doesn’t make sense to me, coz I do well on low carb! Am I the outlier?
Whatever works for you, stick with it. Your body will tell you what it wants. I did the Tim Ferriss slow carb diet years ago and going off of that, tracking macros and experimenting with eating different types of carbs (no junk food items) I found that the slow carb rules actually work best for me. Following new diets just for the sake of trying it is a waste of time imo. If you feel great and look great then you're doing something right.
@@alancameron6937yes mate, from UK too. The excess deaths being covered up is staggering. I've seen ridiculous reasons like climate change being used to explain it but saturated fat and LDL lol what a joke. Even if it was true it takes decades to progress. Layne is butt hurt when he hears how well people do on the carnivore diet he has to come out with nonsense like this.
I would love one of you guys to discuss how the following affects the estimate of type of fat intake assigned in the various studies. I don't have the data in front of me, so these are the basics of what I recall. Beef fat is like forty percent polyunsaturated fat. Olive oil is like eight percent saturated fat. Other sources of fat are combinations of the saturated/unsaturated fat mix. When cooking the beef, higher type fat shares in hamburger are more likely to be left in the pan vs ninety percent lean. Well done meat will have less fat in what is consumed vs rare . Does cooking affect the final saturated/unsaturated fat ratio in the fat that remains? Take-away- many human studies don't track the actual number of grams of the exact types of fat that each person consumes. It would be impossible unless they were given fully analyzed meals prepared in specific procedures. Raw food would be easier to account for actual fat that is consumed. Studies should state i.e that the high saturated fat group averaged 55% of their fat intake as saturated with a sd of 11% and the high unsaturated fat group consumed 22% of fat as saturated with a sd of 8%.Since they usually don't state this, I assume that they don't know this bit of important information. So much noise the the fat measures in human studies.
It's weird to me that so many "experts" are now against fasting. After Attia mentioned something about losing muscle after fasting, everyone else fell like dominos. Even though, fasting is by far the best way to reduce insulin and blood glucose levels which I would think is far more important than losing a few grams of muscle from an intermittent fast...
The I get into exercise science and nutrition. The more I realize that intuition and the bro science are right. The main problem with diet nutrition and exercise is people start camping and rallying ideas and take things way to far in an extreme. At the end of the day balance is what matters and intuitive training and diet typically wins all. Preaching against red meat and meat in general is bad. Intuitively we know humans ate meat for a long time. Meat is muscle. Eating muscle will grow muscle it’s very obvious. Only eating meat is not good. Why would we crave carbs if carbs were evil. But think about how much work it used to take to make bread It doesn’t grow on trees. Carbs are too easy to find now. Previously we needed high motivation to seek carbs because it was hard to find. Now it’s easy to find. Everything comes down to nature
I feel triglycerides are more the problem than LDL. Did these trials control for trigs? If you have high (ish) levels of LDL but super low trigs I feel that a very different story than high LDL high trigs?
Thomas and crew, thanks for getting rid of the interrogation chairs and adding the table!! Nice to watch people not be awkward and try to figure out how to sit and what to do with their arms lol.
Anyone who knows what saturated fat actually is, wouldn’t say something so ignorant like saturated fat is bad for humans. It’s literally the least oxidative fat because the molecule is saturated….
There was a lot of not causal evidence presented here. We want real mechanisms and reasoning. Currently it is impossible to make one's mind about which fats are healthy. There is serious war going on between the LDL-camps and the wise thing to do is to keep on doing what fits for you and keep on observing the "evidence" each party represents. So in my case it is to keep on fasting long period every summer when it keeps me cool and I lose all the excess weight. Then rest of the time I'm on strict egg based keto diet to keep the weight gain in control. One thing I agree 100% :it is always hard work to lose weight. And you have to develop serious routines to function as a safety net when the social pressure makes the momentary lapse of reason to happen.
One thing that's rarely brought up is the variation in metabolism and physical activity among people and also the population data that the studies rely on. For myself i work in construction and do cardio and strength nearly every day on top of that. Missing a meal and i'm basically out. I eat calorie dense food every 3 hours. But an overweight person with a desk job and low activity would probably do great with fasting.
The point about fasting that Layne never covers is it's use to curb or reverse insulin resistance. IR is the main driver behind heart disease, diabetes and cancer. When more than 50% of western folk have insulin resistance and are prediabetic, fasting is crucial. If you eat 7 small meals all day long you're spiking insulin all day long if it's not a low carb diet.
He argues the insulin response is the same dependent on quantity of food. Whether it’s consumed once or throughout the day, the response will vary and return to baseline in the same amount of time.
@@ciscohour5884problem with insulin resistance, is that it's not just due to the insulin quantity. It's more down the the cells not needing that much fuel, and the fat cells starting to run out of room. Some people get super obese and don't have much problem because they have an absurd quantity of fat cells and others get diabetes while thinner. Overall quantity of food will indeed change the overall quantity of insulin as well. Intracellular fat toxicity is one theory for insulin resistance, thanks to too much unused fuel left in the cells until they start causing problems.
Firstly, thank you both for admitting that your opinion changes because our opinion of science can only be correct based off the information currently available to us, and even then what we think we may know could be completely incorrect! (though hopefully not!) Secondly, Layne Norton, you say that when you exercise your BMR goes down, just to clarify, do you mean predominant fat loss exercise such as cardio? Because if you exercise by way of weight training and build muscle then of course your BMR goes up, obviously important to say to viewers that eveeeeeennnn if there's an ever so slight BMR reduction by way of the exercise induced calorie loss, such as by way of weight training, the increase in BMR from the built muscle will exceed any loss from exercise induced calorie loss - hence people who focus on weight training and build a lot of muscle can eat far higher calories than people who don't:) It's obviously important to clarify this for viewers who may wrongly believe that any and all exercise will reduce BMR and become fearful to exercise as I can imagine that will become a thing!
With both diet and training I use periodization and macro/calorie counts as guidelines. Life fluctuates far too much to be rigidly locked into one diet or training system. They can get you pointed in the right direction and give you a goal to shoot for and a yard stick against which to measure progress. At the end of the day results are what count.
When it comes to cholesterol ,LDL, and all those issues I rather listen to Dr. Robert Lustig, Dr. Ken Berry, Dr. Jamnadas a cardiologist that LDL is not the determination of heart attack,I’m not a doctor but just listening to the experts.
I've always heard "cardio makes hungry and crave more food". Even my PCP told me this a few months ago. I'm experiencing the opposite effect. After running 4-6 miles and especially when i go the full 6 miles, I drink so much water right after that I feel bloated. Add to that the sort of general physical exhaustion running causes it completely kills my appetite where I have to force myself to eat sometimes well into the next day. The first early meal the next day can make me feel full for 8-10 hrs and I have to force myself to eat.
23:28 - He is on ezetimibe with his pravastatin. Ezetimibe is an intestinal dietary cholesterol absorption blocker. Later he says that he does not worry about dietary cholesterol. Doesn't make sense to take Ezetimibe if he does not actually worry about dietary cholesterol. 27:58
Diatary cholesterol has a huge influence on blood lipids. I used Ezetimibe that ONLY blocks dietary cholesterol and blood cholesterol plummented. Might not be true for everyone but do not underestimate this - especially in people that already optimized all other components of their diet and training.
There are certain snips of genetics that cause failure of certain things regulating your cholesterol absorption. You can test for plant sterols/phytosterols in blood to see if they are malfunctional. Super high HDL can also be an indicator.
Sure, your gut is spending energy to generate the acids and digestive enzymes.. there's a reason that high cortisol and adrenaline mess with digestion, it diverts blood flow away from it temporarily
Layne has matured in his analysis and I'm appreciative of him being vulnerable in showing us this through his updated reasonings on a variety of subjects.
@Skinnymarczvids He's not doing his own research. Blowing wherever the wind takes you is not a marker of good intelligence. It means you were wrong about everything up until now and it means that everything you're saying now is also wrong.
As a LMHR, all I have to do is increase carbs, but I feel like crap on that diet. Everyone in my family live long (90s-106). I wouldn't mind living less years than them and feel great the whole time. 😅
most important answer to all yt fitness who say --- if you want to be the most muscular that you can be... no - nobody wants to be mass guy. Just being thin is ok. Some muscle is ok. Fit is ok. Physique look is perfect for most of us.
Please, most of the *Victims* were psychosomatic. For evidence, Israel didn't have an *epademic* of side effects. And Israel have had more vaccines, earlier. Is the *shot* perfect? No. Nothing is. Is it *safer?* Yes. Does it allow you to the risk at a controled, ready for setting? *Also yes.* If it causes you to develop Covid, is *it as hard?* No. And most of all. Unlike the *real thing* it is very much less likely to puncture your blood barriers. If you are a woman. Your body womb barrier is a big part if how your body protects your unborn children. If that is less effective, you have far more *microchymerism.* That alone, not that bad, and can better your health... But it also means that your own immune system may attack your baby. A risk greater with Baby boys. Which affects your milk. If your system develops a pattern, like having babies of the same sex in a row, it becomes more likely that this will be the sex of your nexr baby. So unless you preffer to be more likely to only have daughters, enjoy. Hey you do you, but when women decide to abort a baby and she knows the sex, that baby is usually a girl, so...
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Is saturated fat modifying cholesterol, or is the marginal iron in the meat that comes with saturated fat modifying cholesterol because of the pervasive general iron overload / bio-copper depletion condition due to the toxic, inorganic rusty iron filings saturating the processed food supply?
Every person who has come into contact with Thomas always says how nice of a guy he is. And the fact that he reached out to Layne to do some content together after he made a debunk video of him speaks volumes to the kind of person he is.
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I mean it’s good, but Thomas also made a ton of cash telling all of you bullshit first.
If Layne has to come educate him, just follow Laynes content
@@oldgrunt5569 No one else had Layne on their show after being called out. It’s unique no matter how you slice it. This is coming from a huge Layne fan btw. I’m not actually a big fan of most of Thomas’ content. And I completely agree that Layne and Israetel are the 2 best in the business hands down.
@@oldgrunt5569 I follow many, but take allot with a grain of salt Layne and Israetel have been the most reliable for me. I particularly like Mike because he covers the data and then often gives just real world advice
@@oldgrunt5569 there’s a 3rd option too which is just to do nothing at all lol. Like liver king for example. But I get your point. You take care too man. 😊
The ability to change ones mind after receiving new information is the mark of a wise perdon.
It's also a sign of "influencers" desperate to be relevant, produce content and get click-bait
He's a narcissistic bully who only changes his opinion when he is finally forced to, to avoid humiliation and financial losses.
How would you know? @@bianco215
Not when you have followers that are trying to commit to lifestyle changes and they believe in what you say…
@@bianco215you are right !!! Layne Norton is a bully ..
It is such a pleasure to hear these two guys engage in an intelligent, civil, unashamedly nuanced discussion about topics that people love to get really heated, and really dogmatic, about. It gives me so much more respect--and affection--for both of them than I already had. Thank you, Thomas and Dr. Layne!
Agree! There are so many opinions from different nutrition camps out there right now, but we don't often see people together having civilised debates on videos. Most of the individuals who say going vegan or going carnivore radically improved their health all switched to these lifestyles after eating the standard crap western diet. I've yet to hear of anybody switching from grass fed meat to vegan, or vice versa, and feeling better. The point is when people improve the quality of their food, there is always positive results. People should focus on ditching the crap before worrying about placing themselves into these camps at opposite ends of the spectrum! We need more people like Layne and Thomas who aren't afraid to admit when they may have been wrong. It's a pity most doctors and health professionals don't adopt this mindset, instead of spewing out something they were thought 20 years ago. Science is constantly evolving, so should they.
@@user-fd6pq4uc6k Well put!
@@user-fd6pq4uc6kthere is a ton of bullshit based upon no data and just the desire to fleece people of money lol
Agree!
I'd rather have a higher ldl than be on a statin.
Bingo.
Same.
Less medications is always preferred.
Even pain killers aren’t good long term.
I don’t use them for more than a week.
why?
@@cocopopsbrahhh because the treatment is worse than the disease. Plus, its not the doctors best interest to cure / make you better, only to sell you pharmacuticals.
@@cocopopsbrahhh ever he wants to die, that’s why. SMH 🤦♂️
One reason I will Fast a little bit at times is to shrink my stomach so I'm not inclined to eat too much & so I'm not hungry through the day. If my stomach is stretched, I'm wanting to eat alot more thru the day & I gain weight
That’s exactly my life 😂
I fast when my glucose is high. Fasting lowers it naturally. Blood glucose monitors are inexpensive.
@@emh8861 Wise !
Fasting is also a valuable skill. In an emergency, we can miss a meal or 10 without losing our edge.
My great grandfather, grandfather, father and myself all had/have higher levels of LDL. I'm 60 and I have bloodwork all the way back to when I was 19 and joined the military. I've been on all the diets and the LDL range has little fluctuation. My great grandfather was extremely healthy and passed away peacefully at 96. My grandfather also worked his entire life and passed at 92. My father retired at 65, and religiously listened to his doctor. He was put on a low dose of statins, and was increased to a high level at aged 70. He had horrible side-effects, and was on the most bland diet imaginable. At 75 he had numerous health issues and at 77 he couldn't handle the pain and miserable life he had, and then took his own life. At 60, most guess I'm in my lower 40's, I can work hard all day at vigorous tasks, I hit the gym regularly and just enjoy life. If my LDL kills me a few years earlier, and I'm feeling good and enjoying life, I'll take it. It's better than stretching out a few more years in a miserable state of being.
Well said 👏
Yapping
There are many statins to choose from and alternatively other drugs (zetia, bempedoic acid, PCSK9 inhibitors). There's zero reason to live with high LDL these days.
Do you fast?
@@MarkusWaaswhat is your point?
It's hysterical to me now that youtube is drowning in fasting content, everyone who once hailed it as the next coming of Christ are now moving on. Gotta keep that $ flowing, no matter what!
I haven’t followed RUclips history. All I know is a high meat based keto diet plus intermittent fasting, plus a total of 12 days fasting( 2+2+2+3+3) took me from obese to six pack in 90 days. Now back bulking at day 110. I documented my weight loss on my channel. Plus I’m 45 and did it natty. There’s just no faster method than keto plus fasting in my opinion.
Why were all the 'experts' all in on it for so long if it's damaging?@@mikemiller5445
@@mikemiller5445 sorry, but that's nonsense. Extended fasts improve all biomarkers, increase autophagy, improve cognition, and does a lot more than improve body composition. There is a litany of scientific research demonstrating it. you are not well read
@@mikemiller5445you talk like someone who’d have a cat as their display picture
@BOZ_11 so starving populations should be the healthiest 😂😂 imagine ancient armies.... no no guys... we need to be depleted of all sustainance and we will crush that well fed army 😂😂 trust me
Fasting changed my life. I'm not going back, just switching things up to keep the body guessing and I eat according to my exercise schedule and needs. Carb cycling which I learned from the great Tom Venuto.
All in balanced state. Some days you eat, other you fast, some days you lift, other days rest, some days take it easy with carbs other days 3 day fast.
People always go into black and white thinking which is not correct. It depends on the situation and the individual of what they need.
Dave Feldman posted a 4:46 min video, today, titled "BREAKING - Match Analysis on LMHR Study Released" You'll change your mind again about high LDL.
I would rather wait for the full study analysis. That being said, these individuals are LEAN and that's incredibly protective against all cause mortality.
Never taking a statin and have zero care factor for ldl levels as long as I eat whole foods and stay away from processed foods.
Layne had a genetic thing and the strain helps him.
I love your videos thomas! im 22 and your channel has changed me and my future families health for the better, so thank you for that. I would love to see a video where you do kind of a day in the life or a full day of eating some time soon, I think a lot of people would get so much value from it. Thanks and keep up the great work!
I don’t think I will go statins,I used to take one tab statins once a day,no side effects,for years, until one day I couldn’t move my Left arms full range that I cannot brush my hair, I saw an NP in doctors office she stopped my statin , after a week of not having that I am able to have a full range of motion in my arm. That’s it for me re statin.all of them gives me side effects suddenly ,except this last one that didn’t till one day after few years of taking it.
Lane likes the food guidelines... Last I Checked. They rated FRUIT LOOPS better than Eggs. LMAO!
His PhD does not mean he has was taught the right information. Dom D'Agostino PhD shreds him in their debate. I have always looked past Layne because as u stated...he seems to take the mainstream food/medicine advice as gospel.
He doesn’t ‘like’ the food guidelines- he just disagrees with those who blame it for the obesity crisis.
24:00 about half the people who have a heart attack have low LDL.
Is that good fat?
And it’s also proven that people who are metabolically healthy can still have heart disease from elevated LDL. Two things can be true.
This was probably recorded before the new study released by Dr Budoff where they compared high LDL LMHR keto vs low LDL Miami Heart study and found no difference in plaque accumulation after almost 5 years in 55 year olds with almost a complete match of all other health markers.
That study is now underscored by the second of a two-part study headed by amazing researcher Dave Feldman and Dr. Nick Norwitz, released just yesterday, Dec 8th '23. Their results revealed NO Atheroschlerosis (plaque) progression was found in 80 Lean Mass Hype Responders on a Keto diet. This is significant, because it is plaque, not LDL, that is by far the stronger indicator of poor cardiovascular health.
More investigation is needed into the role of HDL and its effects on the body - but let's not forget the name of the real culprit in all of the metabolic and cardiovascular ills modern man suffers stems from the overconsumption of such things as seed oils and carbs, i.e. SUGAR.
Saturated fats in no way causes insulin resistance. Please listen to Professor Ben Bikman,, Doctors Ken Berry, Eric Westman, Lustig, etc.
You might change your mind again ....
On top of that both cohorts in that study had more plaque at lower mean ldl levels. It sloped down on both cohorts as the plaque went up
@@burby_geekStatins were likely given to most of those people with high plaque in the Miami heart study. Correlation isn't causation. That's not to say I'm not hopeful the results of the full study are beneficial.
Every time I see Layne in an interview I think the same thing: why doesn't he put good content out like that on his own channel? Why does he just click bait yell about low level stuff when he's actually intelligent & could give us so much more as he proves over & over again in interviews? More of this Layne!
Totally agree with you. I enjoy Layne when he is on other youtube channels like Thomas's and Peter Attia but I don't like his vibe on his own channel. He is way too patronizing and cocky on his own channel. He seems so chills and humbling on other channels than his own.
@charlesmuller120. That's because he's a coward. He always has been. He will talk sh*t from a distance, but then he always comes back down to being more reasonable and nice when face to face with people. He is not going to keep that same energy because he knows he can't without looking dumb
He's just a fake natty who needs roids to bench 100kg, that's why he acts like a child to most stronger guys
@@charlesmuller120 Exactly. He's "much better at home than on the road"... in sports language. Much more of a shit-talker on his channel than face-to-face in person, which is being a coward, IMO.
He tried that at first he did videos just like this but they didnt get views. Majority of people are stupid so they like clickbait and talking in ultimatums and dogmatic manner. Its his job afterall so he will do what gets more views. I dont really like his videos but i understand why he does it.
Layne is a real one.. He is the one I follow with thomas for my nutritional info
He's a real one alright 😂
@@Macgee826 you must be a keto or carnivore zealot.. Those groups of people dont like facts over feeling...
@@dicktram5305 aw you got me ,I'm pecetarian that does I.f. on occasion,I just can't stand arrogance!
Mistake 😛
Arterial Plaque is made of misfolded proteins not cholesterol. The plaque is a shield the artery walls create to protect itself from inflamatory attacks not from too much calsium or cholesterol. Reasearch this yourself.
Would fasting have a good effect on this?
"Reasearch this yourself." lol Because everyone has a background in medicine and has the time and because the internet is not full of misinformation. Bro we are watching this video for answers. Your comment and this video are an example of the struggle most people have sifting through info. It is not as easy as "Reasearch this yourself." We are trying bruh! lol
@DerekCaldwell lmao preach
Pseudoscience buddy 😂😂😂
Ong this guy w the statins 😂 so surprised you had him on your show
This is the first conversation with him I ever enjoyed. Usually he is arrogant. Seems more fact based and less angry.
@@oldgrunt5569he still seems arrogant. Which is sus on the health landscape that constantly changes. His LDL stance changed and could change again. Look at feldmans breaking analysis from 2 months ago, where sky high LDL keto participants showed no increased plaque burden at baseline after 5 years. Yes, it’s not a lifetime like mentioned in this video but 5 years is not insignificant for these findings. If this literature makes its way to him, he could change his mind again.
@@justinabajian1087if you don’t like someone because he “seems” too arogant and you can’t appreciate the immense amount of value he brings to the world through educating people as an actual scientist with integrity, morals and knowledge (contrary to most of these uneducated influencers that just scam people by selling them some bs and spreading misinformation) then you’re just too soft
@@justinabajian1087 please introduce me to the plethora of non-arrogant PHDs
@@spunkush any other credentialed doctor/scientist on RUclips. They’re all less arrogant than this guy who’s arrogant in spite of being wrong. He was probaly arrogant about the stuff he was wrong about before he changed his mind that he was wrong and remains arrogant even after being wrong.
Again look at the study I referenced in the above comment. If that study is true, he could be wrong yet again.
Love that Thomas is honest and that he will change his mind if there is proper data to support. Thank you
PS: one of the best "new format" videos TDL has made so far.
There's a long term study about to be released from one of the most respected researchers in the country that undercuts completely the high LDL concern.
Yes, in metabolically healthy individuals.
Maybe Layne will make another video in a little bit saying how wrong he was. What a garbage review he gave when he did his "devil's advocate" spiel on LDL. Didn't even go into any of the data, mentioned the elderly at the start of it, but then only focused on cancer cachexia, like wut? GTFOH
@TheFloridaprepper
Do you have the name of the study or the authors?
Maybe you should also check the brand new LMHR study.... Making blanket statements "LDL is bad" makes me wonder about the rest ...
that line "I can train like that because Im fueled like that." Totally get better workouts carb fueled but also in a mind state of thinking im not losing fat because im carb filled.
Losing fat has nothing to do with carbs.
It’s about whether you expend the energy that you consume.
I compete in wrestling so I require a high carb diet.
Same with marathon runners, they usually get better times with more carbs.
@C0d0ps so if carbs are the energy that I'm eating "alot of" then is it connected to fat loss/gain?
@@ryanvinuya3021
Carbs are as much connected to weight loss as fats are.
You can gain weight by eating protein but it is incredibly difficult.
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This is why counting calories helps you learn how much carbs and fats you can eat at maintenance.
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For me I eat between 150-300g carbs depending on when I’m competing in wrestling.
I prefer cutting around 4kg for each tournament.
In imperial measurements I walk around at 150-155 lbs and compete at 145 lbs.
The problem with Mendelian randomization studies is that it still does not correct for the fact the majority of the population is insulin resistant, which privides a unique physiology when compared to those that aren’t. It’s is very possible, and very likely when considering the data from lean mass hyper responders, that high LDL in the absence of inulin resistance is not as atherogenic as high LDL with insulin resistance.
This is an excellent point, and something I'd been wary of, as the Mendelian data seems to have had such an impact on the overall narrative, but as you say, it is still data collected in a vacuum. Relying so much on this has the potential to cause a lot of issues down the line.
Just admit it, you like cheese, butter, bacon and fatty beef, and you're not ready to give them up😂😂😂
@@tobysrevenge7431 who doesn’t?🙄…and why would I want to give something up that’s enjoyable, provides essential nutrition, and doesn’t cause me harm?
I absolutely love this dialogue. Thomas, although not formally educated, is always willing to engage in discourse because he wants to put out the latest evidence-based information for his viewers. Love Dr. Norton too.
Not formally educated? Of course he is. What you mean is.....he didn't go on to further eduction for a specific speciality. You make it sound like he never went to school.
Yeah, Yeah, I meant to say he didn’t receive an education at all..So since you know, what’s his education background so I can mean correctly? Bet you can’t tell me, I MEAN, you can’t tell me!
Started carnivore and lost fat, hdl went from 45to67 triglycerides 115 to 70. My cholesterol went down a little total 270. Pain went away in hands and elbows. At 60 years old I feel much better.
And the same would have happend with a vegan diet or if you only would eat snickers in a caloric deficit.
@HB-zt1ed rubbish mate , most people have tried those things , they don't work , why do we have such an obesity problem , use your brain . Veganism may be ok for maybe 5 yrs , then sicknesses start , lack of nutrients , plain and simple ., vegetarians eat eggs , maybe fish and poison greens , proof of a little protein helps a little 😂
Civil and very intelligent meeting. Ive seen layne with other youtubers and he is always calmer than he is in his videos.
Yip he's not such a big man face to face!
The American Heart Assn. now says that low cholesterol over 60 years is contraindicated for long life
Next year Layne’s video on things he was wrong about and is changing his mind about: High LDL being a problem SPECIFICALLY with low carb diets. Cholesterol not raised through dietary saturated fat on low carbers, but is raised due to being lean.
Dietary guidelines changed on saturated fat also. Keep up
I love that layne is with thomas, I believe layne its very anti "experimental" science without very solid research behind first, while thomas likes to try if the science its pointing to one direction. so its nice they have a talk
Why no push back, the latest studies cited about same calories for two individuals same energy expenditure and same age and health factors show eating all your calories in an eating window of say 8 hours show blood markers Improving drastically across the board and they loose substantially more fat and maintain same amount of Muscle over the Individual who eats the same amount of calories eating 6 times a day!!!
Why no discussion?????
Please learn the correct way to spell lose. It’s not loose like 90% of the population thinks. Pet peeve. 😝
Exactly, no push back.
I feel that the title in the video image is somewhat misleading and kinda dishonest.
Layne Norton, in my opinion, is one of the most honest, competent, and insightful individuals who debunk a lot of misinformation online.
You two would be great in a podcast format. Both of your personalities and knowledge blend well together.
Layne is one of my favorites, as is Thomas, so this interview is the best! Love the part about LDL- very very informative!
I’ve seen other slices of the Framingham day he mentioned that say the exact opposite about ldl
I hope prof Kay can review this video😂😂
...he'd shred them both ! 😂😂
It's refreshing see Layne in a gregarious mood instead of the usual Im-a-PhD-in-proteins-know-it-all.
Kudos yo Thomas for reaching to Layne and both being able to sit and have a prodcutive respectful conversation.
When will you interview the great Tom Venuto? He's one of the first great natural bodybuilders that made nutrition and exercise mainstream. I owe my life to him. Also learned carb cycling from him
Would love to see what his new lifestyle and protocols are. My take on fitness and health is that whatever the approach is in your day and age, it can work. Tom and many others followed old school protocols such as six small meals a day with little fats, and were able to reach their goals.
Those old school bodybuilders knew what works. Perhaps in terms of longevity, science has advanced more with how to optimize and definitely constant sugar spikes aren't the best. Nonetheless, Venuto keeps the basics in check. I'm trying to do fasting according to my exercise schedule and needs. Also, I cycle my carbs but stay keto because I feel better, carnivore type with some blueberries. Also doing 72hr once in a while. But it's because I'm fit now. I lost the weight through consistent 72hr fasts and longer. Easiest weight loss of my life.
WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT TOM VENUTO IS UP TO NOW. MY RESPECTS TO THAT MAN.
Every 6-10 months I can’t digest food as well and I start getting bloated after meals. I fast for 1-4 days and bam I can eat even more food than before the fast no problem and I end up able to put on more size and weight than pre-fast as fast as a week after the fast.
The collab I wanted to see. Thanks!
Lame Norton? Ya there’s someone I want to listen to. Debunked by your friend Bart Kay numerous times. When you’re wrong, you’re wrong and you will be called out.
I found the saturated fat and cholesterol stuff a bit confusing and all over the place.
I don't fast for any of the reasons he suggests. I fast 16 hours every day because I want my body to metabolically shift from burning my glucose stores to burning my fat stores. I also do it to reduce inflammation throughout the body and most importantly in the brain. I fast because it makes me feel great and I seem to have much cleaner and long lasting energy. I also never feel hungry, and I'm not strict about caloric intake at all. I'm only strict on my 8 hour eating window. I've discovered that working out in a fasted state feels much better for me, but the downfall is that I cannot immediately follow my workout with protein because of the calories that come with it. So for that reason I supplement with perfect aminos.
This guy needs to debate Dr. Chaffe, Dr. Baker, Dr Saladino.
No point in debating extremists.
@@Jay37_bakenah man chaffee got wrecked by a vegan doctor recently lol
Love your variety of guests 🙏 you even made Layne seem likeable
great description, ecactly 👉 you even made Layne seem likeable 😄
What do you guys think about Ray Peat and saturated fat? He believes saturated fats are protective. I have been taking a high saturated fat diet and feel great
Check into prothrombin, fibrinogen, viscous blood theories in people who have strokes and heart attacks. David Feldman, Ben Bickman..
Layne seems like a standard of care type shill and definitely the type to put out content for "clicks".
You should probably look up his credentials and watch some of his content then. I like what Thomas has been doing recently but Layne is zero bs and knows how to read and interpret studies. He's as legit as it gets. That's why he is invited on Attia's podcast.
@PriusTurbo. You're hilarious.
Very good interview Thomas I like these videos a lot 👍I learn things on everyone of them thank you both
Avoid saturated fat, eat more fiber, and take a statin! This is comedy gold, thank you
Brought to you by Pfizer.
Your biases are showing.
Sometimes doing everything right doesn't work enough. I know some few people like that.
17:55 it’s not about whether ldl is oxidized or not, it’s about whether endothelial lining is smooth or not. Unoxidized ldl does not penetrate smooth endothelial lining
Sorry guys you need to listen to Dr Anthony Chaffee and Bart Kay
I've seen some people stating (of course they refer to some studies) that LDL is not related to coronary artery calcification in people that eat a good diet (no junk food) with high fat content (mainly from meat). And that coronary artery calcification is a better predictor of heart disease. What are your views on that?
"apo B and LDL-C go together, you can't really disconnect them"... I would argue that in some cases they are disconnected. This situation is called a discordance.
This guy also says organic produce is the same as glyphosate GMO, let that sink in.
I saw an Instagram post of his about this topic and left a comment, he defended his post. SMH
Hey Thomas.. I’ve been falling back on your content for all things Nutrition.. been watching you since 2017 when I went keto and lost 70lbs over a year. Also corrected my Blood sugar, High BP, fatty liver and overall energy levels. But since then I’ve been increasing carbs and haven’t been able to maintain my weight (thankfully other markers are still in normal range)- major carb addict here, I’m ashamed to say.. life’s ups and downs affect my ability to eat well. All the science debunking the state of ketosis, low carb, fasting doesn’t make sense to me, coz I do well on low carb! Am I the outlier?
Whatever works for you, stick with it. Your body will tell you what it wants. I did the Tim Ferriss slow carb diet years ago and going off of that, tracking macros and experimenting with eating different types of carbs (no junk food items) I found that the slow carb rules actually work best for me. Following new diets just for the sake of trying it is a waste of time imo. If you feel great and look great then you're doing something right.
What kind of carbs? Ultra processed food and grains are not the good carbs to eat. They lead to weight gain.
This is funny and we actually listen to these people
The ministry of truth putting out disinformation probably the world homicidal organisation
“The concept of your mileage may vary.” Solid analogy!
All these athletes having heart attacks, Layne thinks it's LDL not the jab lol. What a clown
....not just athletes, it's widespread here in UK , media blackout on disclosure, except for GB News.
@@alancameron6937yes mate, from UK too. The excess deaths being covered up is staggering. I've seen ridiculous reasons like climate change being used to explain it but saturated fat and LDL lol what a joke. Even if it was true it takes decades to progress. Layne is butt hurt when he hears how well people do on the carnivore diet he has to come out with nonsense like this.
I’d bet none of those athletes were on a carnivore diet. Probably eating lots of inflammatory carbs that lead to heart disease.
I would love one of you guys to discuss how the following affects the estimate of type of fat intake assigned in the various studies. I don't have the data in front of me, so these are the basics of what I recall. Beef fat is like forty percent polyunsaturated fat. Olive oil is like eight percent saturated fat. Other sources of fat are combinations of the saturated/unsaturated fat mix. When cooking the beef, higher type fat shares in hamburger are more likely to be left in the pan vs ninety percent lean. Well done meat will have less fat in what is consumed vs rare . Does cooking affect the final saturated/unsaturated fat ratio in the fat that remains? Take-away- many human studies don't track the actual number of grams of the exact types of fat that each person consumes. It would be impossible unless they were given fully analyzed meals prepared in specific procedures. Raw food would be easier to account for actual fat that is consumed. Studies should state i.e that the high saturated fat group averaged 55% of their fat intake as saturated with a sd of 11% and the high unsaturated fat group consumed 22% of fat as saturated with a sd of 8%.Since they usually don't state this, I assume that they don't know this bit of important information. So much noise the the fat measures in human studies.
It's weird to me that so many "experts" are now against fasting. After Attia mentioned something about losing muscle after fasting, everyone else fell like dominos. Even though, fasting is by far the best way to reduce insulin and blood glucose levels which I would think is far more important than losing a few grams of muscle from an intermittent fast...
its all about content and views
They’re idiots. I’ve gained 25 lbs. of muscle in 3 years fasting 20 hours most days.
Their priorities are maximum muscle 1st, overall health 2nd.
I agree on that
The I get into exercise science and nutrition. The more I realize that intuition and the bro science are right. The main problem with diet nutrition and exercise is people start camping and rallying ideas and take things way to far in an extreme. At the end of the day balance is what matters and intuitive training and diet typically wins all. Preaching against red meat and meat in general is bad. Intuitively we know humans ate meat for a long time. Meat is muscle. Eating muscle will grow muscle it’s very obvious. Only eating meat is not good. Why would we crave carbs if carbs were evil. But think about how much work it used to take to make bread It doesn’t grow on trees. Carbs are too easy to find now. Previously we needed high motivation to seek carbs because it was hard to find. Now it’s easy to find. Everything comes down to nature
Great video collaboration
Feels like Layne is softening a bit. He should be more like Thomas who is just an amazing human being.
I feel triglycerides are more the problem than LDL. Did these trials control for trigs? If you have high (ish) levels of LDL but super low trigs I feel that a very different story than high LDL high trigs?
Well, there is new info about cholesterol out there. Check out Dave Feldman👍🏽🥩
Thomas and crew, thanks for getting rid of the interrogation chairs and adding the table!! Nice to watch people not be awkward and try to figure out how to sit and what to do with their arms lol.
Layne has changed my view on health and nutrition completely. He's channel is amazing, and entertaining :)
Anyone who knows what saturated fat actually is, wouldn’t say something so ignorant like saturated fat is bad for humans. It’s literally the least oxidative fat because the molecule is saturated….
There was a lot of not causal evidence presented here. We want real mechanisms and reasoning. Currently it is impossible to make one's mind about which fats are healthy. There is serious war going on between the LDL-camps and the wise thing to do is to keep on doing what fits for you and keep on observing the "evidence" each party represents. So in my case it is to keep on fasting long period every summer when it keeps me cool and I lose all the excess weight. Then rest of the time I'm on strict egg based keto diet to keep the weight gain in control. One thing I agree 100% :it is always hard work to lose weight. And you have to develop serious routines to function as a safety net when the social pressure makes the momentary lapse of reason to happen.
One thing that's rarely brought up is the variation in metabolism and physical activity among people and also the population data that the studies rely on. For myself i work in construction and do cardio and strength nearly every day on top of that. Missing a meal and i'm basically out. I eat calorie dense food every 3 hours. But an overweight person with a desk job and low activity would probably do great with fasting.
If LDL is causative, why don’t statins noticeably reduce mortality?
The point about fasting that Layne never covers is it's use to curb or reverse insulin resistance. IR is the main driver behind heart disease, diabetes and cancer. When more than 50% of western folk have insulin resistance and are prediabetic, fasting is crucial. If you eat 7 small meals all day long you're spiking insulin all day long if it's not a low carb diet.
He argues the insulin response is the same dependent on quantity of food. Whether it’s consumed once or throughout the day, the response will vary and return to baseline in the same amount of time.
@@ciscohour5884 that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. No offence to you obviously 😊
@@ciscohour5884problem with insulin resistance, is that it's not just due to the insulin quantity. It's more down the the cells not needing that much fuel, and the fat cells starting to run out of room. Some people get super obese and don't have much problem because they have an absurd quantity of fat cells and others get diabetes while thinner. Overall quantity of food will indeed change the overall quantity of insulin as well. Intracellular fat toxicity is one theory for insulin resistance, thanks to too much unused fuel left in the cells until they start causing problems.
Fantastic discussion gentlemen! Thanks for sharing!
Firstly, thank you both for admitting that your opinion changes because our opinion of science can only be correct based off the information currently available to us, and even then what we think we may know could be completely incorrect! (though hopefully not!)
Secondly, Layne Norton, you say that when you exercise your BMR goes down, just to clarify, do you mean predominant fat loss exercise such as cardio?
Because if you exercise by way of weight training and build muscle then of course your BMR goes up, obviously important to say to viewers that eveeeeeennnn if there's an ever so slight BMR reduction by way of the exercise induced calorie loss, such as by way of weight training, the increase in BMR from the built muscle will exceed any loss from exercise induced calorie loss - hence people who focus on weight training and build a lot of muscle can eat far higher calories than people who don't:) It's obviously important to clarify this for viewers who may wrongly believe that any and all exercise will reduce BMR and become fearful to exercise as I can imagine that will become a thing!
Excellent discussion guys, also the cholesterol part was off the beaten path, but very interesting none the less. You should do these more often!
With both diet and training I use periodization and macro/calorie counts as guidelines.
Life fluctuates far too much to be rigidly locked into one diet or training system.
They can get you pointed in the right direction and give you a goal to shoot for and a yard stick against which to measure progress.
At the end of the day results are what count.
When it comes to cholesterol ,LDL, and all those issues I rather listen to Dr. Robert Lustig, Dr. Ken Berry, Dr. Jamnadas a cardiologist that LDL is not the determination of heart attack,I’m not a doctor but just listening to the experts.
Long way to go still Layne😅
LMHR the data is interesting
Turned it off when he mentioned that he was on statins. He instantly lost any and all credibility when he said that.
Why would that be?
Who is on statins?
@@broplayer6791 he claims dat Layne is on Statins
I've always heard "cardio makes hungry and crave more food". Even my PCP told me this a few months ago. I'm experiencing the opposite effect. After running 4-6 miles and especially when i go the full 6 miles, I drink so much water right after that I feel bloated. Add to that the sort of general physical exhaustion running causes it completely kills my appetite where I have to force myself to eat sometimes well into the next day. The first early meal the next day can make me feel full for 8-10 hrs and I have to force myself to eat.
23:28 - He is on ezetimibe with his pravastatin. Ezetimibe is an intestinal dietary cholesterol absorption blocker. Later he says that he does not worry about dietary cholesterol. Doesn't make sense to take Ezetimibe if he does not actually worry about dietary cholesterol. 27:58
In regards to layne's request for a study during the fasting section: ITS RIGHT ACROSS FROM YOU
Great interview. Layne Norton nailed it.
Diatary cholesterol has a huge influence on blood lipids. I used Ezetimibe that ONLY blocks dietary cholesterol and blood cholesterol plummented.
Might not be true for everyone but do not underestimate this - especially in people that already optimized all other components of their diet and training.
There are certain snips of genetics that cause failure of certain things regulating your cholesterol absorption. You can test for plant sterols/phytosterols in blood to see if they are malfunctional. Super high HDL can also be an indicator.
Even after a strict carnivore meal, I feel a bit more sluggish than when fasted. It's not "psychological" (as he puts it) and it's not neuroticism
Sure, your gut is spending energy to generate the acids and digestive enzymes.. there's a reason that high cortisol and adrenaline mess with digestion, it diverts blood flow away from it temporarily
Layne has matured in his analysis and I'm appreciative of him being vulnerable in showing us this through his updated reasonings on a variety of subjects.
You think being wrong about shit for years is an admirable character trait?
@@jeffwhite3021no but changing your stance based off the latest research is .
@Skinnymarczvids That means he was wrong up until now which means he's also probably wrong now.
@@jeffwhite3021no it does not . Positions change as new research comes out. That’s the sign of a good scientist .
@Skinnymarczvids He's not doing his own research. Blowing wherever the wind takes you is not a marker of good intelligence. It means you were wrong about everything up until now and it means that everything you're saying now is also wrong.
As a LMHR, all I have to do is increase carbs, but I feel like crap on that diet. Everyone in my family live long (90s-106). I wouldn't mind living less years than them and feel great the whole time. 😅
Anything that makes you feel bad is hurting your life expectancy. If eating broccoli makes you feel bloated, then broccoli isn't healthy for you.
Lean Mass Hyper-responders (LMHRs)
Fasting 16 hours a day is the only time I ever felt good mentally and physically and looked amazing
why does the thumbnail show a diet coke? I didn't hear that topic brought up at all. Smh i wasted time watching this for nothing
most important answer to all yt fitness who say --- if you want to be the most muscular that you can be... no - nobody wants to be mass guy. Just being thin is ok. Some muscle is ok. Fit is ok. Physique look is perfect for most of us.
Just a couple Bros flexing the tri's
A great interview.
I stopped listening to Layne when he said there wasn't a risk in taking those COVID-19 shots.
Please, most of the *Victims* were psychosomatic.
For evidence, Israel didn't have an *epademic* of side effects.
And Israel have had more vaccines, earlier.
Is the *shot* perfect? No. Nothing is. Is it *safer?* Yes.
Does it allow you to the risk at a controled, ready for setting? *Also yes.*
If it causes you to develop Covid, is *it as hard?* No.
And most of all. Unlike the *real thing* it is very much less likely to puncture your blood barriers.
If you are a woman. Your body womb barrier is a big part if how your body protects your unborn children.
If that is less effective, you have far more *microchymerism.*
That alone, not that bad, and can better your health...
But it also means that your own immune system may attack your baby.
A risk greater with Baby boys.
Which affects your milk.
If your system develops a pattern, like having babies of the same sex in a row, it becomes more likely that this will be the sex of your nexr baby.
So unless you preffer to be more likely to only have daughters, enjoy.
Hey you do you, but when women decide to abort a baby and she knows the sex, that baby is usually a girl, so...
He is probably a WEF rat 🐀 here to muddy the waters.
Good to know he can talk somewhat calm unlike on his tantrum YT posts😂
This guy is totally wrong about cholesterol. He needs to get ahold of Dr Ken Berry.
....and Proffessor Bart Kay, Dr Eric Westman and Dr Anthony Chaffee