I Was WRONG About Artificial Sweeteners? | Educational Video | Biolayne

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  • @nyguy5370
    @nyguy5370 2 года назад +772

    As a PhD scientist who makes a living doing medical research, and has more than a passing interest in this subject because I am a type 2 diabetic, and I have worn a CGM, I think this study established nothing more than that by changing ones diet, you alter the gut microbiome. Layne is dead on that this is hard to interpret. It could be good, it could be bad, it could be neutral. There is no data in the study that supports am overall negative effect of NNS, and the authors even caution in the manuscript that based on this data one should NOT abandon NNS for sugar. Water will always be the best beverage, but I think for 100% of humans, drinking beverages sweetened with NNS’ is far better than drinking something sweetened with sugar. Having published in Cell myself, I agree with Layne that as high a profile journal as it is, there is plenty of great research and plenty of crap in the journal as well. This study is well designed on the whole, but its publication in Cell will cause its impact to be far greater than the dataset presented justify, in my opinion. Finally - an anecdotal finding with an N of 1; my pretty healthy 80 year old Mother drank TAB for decades and still uses Sweet-N-low in her multiple cups of coffee everyday. So if you are one of those people who insists that NNS’ are bad, you will likely cite this study, probably incorrectly, as supporting your point of view. If you think NNS is good, this paper does little to change your mind.

    • @asherrfacee
      @asherrfacee 2 года назад +19

      Appreciate the information. Do you know if there any correlation between artificial sweeteners and memory loss or cognitive decline?

    • @huddwah
      @huddwah 2 года назад +39

      thanks that saved me from wasting 10 mins... (I have to watch his videos at 2x speed... and wish he had more humility)

    • @marcdaniels9079
      @marcdaniels9079 2 года назад +69

      @@huddwah Why ? Do you think all the charlatans and influencers are humble?
      He is debunking BS and more power to him.
      If you can’t be bothered to watch the extremely high quality videos why not unsubscribe? I am sure he will
      live with it. 😉

    • @BOSSDONMAN
      @BOSSDONMAN 2 года назад +5

      It's like those headlines that say "X activity causes changes in the brain."
      Like okay, what is its significance? Does it have any potential predictable capability or insight of observing as such?

    • @nomnomnooma
      @nomnomnooma 2 года назад +13

      @@marcdaniels9079 lol at your gate keeping

  • @AZ_TONY
    @AZ_TONY 2 года назад +37

    This is the longest "I don't know" response I've ever witnessed

    • @plaidchuck
      @plaidchuck Год назад +12

      Welcome to science.

    • @gwgez
      @gwgez 6 месяцев назад +4

      Thank you! You helped save me the time of watching this particular video. Still a fan of the channel.

    • @siggyincr7447
      @siggyincr7447 6 месяцев назад +3

      Thanks, 5 minutes in and I'm already losing my patience with him not getting to the point.

    • @BlackDaiquiri
      @BlackDaiquiri 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@siggyincr7447He’s summarizing a very thorough and technical study. That takes time. Not sure what “point” you want him to make when there are no definitive answers yet.

  • @ChristopherMurtagh
    @ChristopherMurtagh 2 года назад +259

    I love how Layne just sticks to the data, regardless of whether it matches his expectation bias and delivers the content with no bullshit. If only the media would report on scientific studies this way.

    • @A_Turner
      @A_Turner 2 года назад +7

      Layne is such a gift to the fitness industry, begging for a collab between him and Mike Isratel

    • @francescafrancesca9872
      @francescafrancesca9872 2 года назад +3

      That's very true!! Imagine if he was a news journalist....he'd be hunted down

  • @ptortland
    @ptortland 2 года назад +73

    As a sports medicine physician, I LOVE these deep dives into the research! I also deeply appreciate Layne’s oft-repeated mantras:
    1) Facts don’t care about your feelings
    2) That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

    • @jsmith5764
      @jsmith5764 2 года назад

      Can you explain what you take "that which can be assertive evidence can be dismissed without evidence", to mean? Is that another way of not reasoning about the assertion? To me when I think on it it isn't saying much or wanting interesting. Thoughts? Thanks

    • @Counter-Intuitive
      @Counter-Intuitive 2 года назад +2

      On another note #1 and 2 are perfect defeaters for all religions

    • @bobbobson4030
      @bobbobson4030 2 года назад +6

      @@jsmith5764 Me: "The world is run by pink unicorns" (assertion)
      You: ”What evidence do you have for this claim?"
      Me: "Nothing, but I promise they exist!" (No evidence)
      You: "Please stop wasting my time"
      You haven’t disproven that pink unicorns run the world. But on the other hand these unicorns could also green, purple…maybe they are actually tortoises…or any other one of an infinite list of possible claims. How do we know which is correct?
      It’s pointless to waste time trying to disprove a claim with no evidence since there are infinite such claims

    • @Counter-Intuitive
      @Counter-Intuitive 2 года назад

      @Zog Bot You're correct, arguments like that only convert intelligent people to the default agnostic position.

    • @peachcobbler641
      @peachcobbler641 2 года назад

      @Zog Bot you never won an arguement In your entire life

  • @SpartanWolf222
    @SpartanWolf222 2 года назад +117

    As someone who has lost almost 60 lbs within the past 5 months, I can pretty much thank artificial sweeteners for helping me keep myself satisfied with less/zero calorie alternatives (both more natural options like monkfruit and artificial ones like Splenda.) If I had to point to one culprit that made me go up to 300 lbs over the past two years, I think it would have to be the amount of sweet tea I drank on a daily basis.
    I know this is anecdotal and I can't say definitively that it was as simple as that alone; however, I know I used to drank 30 - 40 oz of sweet tea on a daily basis, and that is somewhere around 320 - 450 extra calories every day that I never considered to be an issue. Once I stopped drinking that stuff and made other low calorie switches to my normal meals--and I even curbed my tea intake to just one 20 - 25 oz just to help with my teeth staining--my weight has been melting off without too much hassle on top of increasing my weekly exercise and portion control.

    • @charlesdean640
      @charlesdean640 2 года назад +8

      That's like a crack addict switching to powder cocaine and thinking they kicked their habit

    • @butsirrr
      @butsirrr 2 года назад +21

      @@charlesdean640 You seem to know a lot about drugs... hmmm

    • @03blaird
      @03blaird 2 года назад +6

      @@charlesdean640 EXACTLY. these people are quick to blame natural sugar for their weight gain instead of I dunno... Maybe not stuffing their faces with garbage in the first place?!? If you're 300 pounds of fat trust me switching to an artificial sweetener won't solve the other fundamental problems that made you gain that much weight in the first place!

    • @asyetundetermined
      @asyetundetermined 2 года назад +22

      @@charlesdean640 It’s not really anything like that at all. GTFOH if you’re actually afraid of a packet of Splenda. Get real dude. Let’s not let perfect be the enemy of good.

    • @charlesdean640
      @charlesdean640 2 года назад +2

      @@asyetundetermined did I say I don't consume sugar or Splenda? No I said he kicked one habit for another. Didn't say anything about myself.

  • @CNS1908
    @CNS1908 Год назад +6

    Found you on the Huberman podcast and so happy I did. I love the way you think and explain. Appreciate it.

  • @alankuo2317
    @alankuo2317 Год назад +12

    I feel like whenever I see the term gut micro biome, I think of how big and vast the ocean on planet earth is, and how little we know, in depth, about all the creatures that may exist in it

  • @clubmogambo3214
    @clubmogambo3214 2 года назад +31

    Been using liquid Splenda for several years and more recently liquid Splenda monk fruit. Never had any problems with yearning for food containing actual sugar as so many claim results from using no-sugar sweeteners. Have lost more than 60 lbs in conjunction with keto and IF. And my last blood and urine test results were the best in a couple of decades. So I'm fine with taking the opinion that no-sugar sweeteners have been a blessing for me.

    • @phil4986
      @phil4986 2 года назад

      if drinking regular water without the spenda gets uncomfortable, you should get off the splenda. splenda addiction will attack the stomach and intestines. it will take two months for your insides to repair themselves from splenda induced damage.

    • @clubmogambo3214
      @clubmogambo3214 2 года назад +4

      @@phil4986 Where in my post did I say I was uncomfortable with drinking water? I'll wager a ton of internet money that I drink a lot more water than you on any given day. I only drink Splenda-infused drinks, almost always iced tea, when I'm having a meal. And even then there are times when I drink water only. So why you stated what you did is quite perplexing.

    • @louisaklimentos7583
      @louisaklimentos7583 2 года назад +3

      I lost weight without artificial sweeteners I drink purified water and soft drinks I find too sweet even if they have artificial sweeteners and no sugar . People who have poor digestion should avoid beverages with artificial sweeteners because our digestive system is styled to digest real foods and nothing artificial.

    • @clubmogambo3214
      @clubmogambo3214 2 года назад +4

      @@louisaklimentos7583 Not an issue for me, but if it is for you, then by all means avoid them.

    • @MArixor100
      @MArixor100 2 года назад +10

      @@louisaklimentos7583 Ever heard of lactose intolerance? not artificial yet it still irritates the digestive system IF u are sensitive yet people still consume dairy on a daily basis.

  • @avivbrina
    @avivbrina 9 месяцев назад +1

    Hey Layne, it’s great to finally see someone address this study and you make some great points.
    There is one minor thing I think you misunderstood about the study: the participants were screened for 6 months of nonconsumption, not ever in their lives. From the study: “We excluded participants who consumed any quantity of NNS-containing foods or beverages in the six months prior to the trial initiation”. This makes the supposition that the participants had unusually negative opinions on NNS far less likely.

  • @coach_chonko
    @coach_chonko 2 года назад +27

    Every time there is unsupervised work being done by subjects, it turns out that most subjects lie, make up data, forget to do it... In one study I set up, we asked patients if they lied/made-up data/forgot at the end of the data collection, pretending that it wouldn't matter if they did and behaving like bros. More than half did the measurements wrong and made up the data to cover their mistakes. That is huge.

    • @dama301
      @dama301 2 года назад +10

      Maybe you're making this study up? 🤔

    • @TheCrazyCartModChannel
      @TheCrazyCartModChannel Год назад

      I would believe that entirely. Humans are lazy

    • @JKDLIFER
      @JKDLIFER 6 месяцев назад

      100% correct. This study dropped the ball in a few very important areas unfortunately.

  • @Mir-gw6kj
    @Mir-gw6kj 2 года назад +74

    As someone doing their PhD in microbiome research, I can say for sure that increases in SCFA-producing bacteria is almost always considered a plus. SCFAs, especially butyrate, are extremely beneficial when it comes to intestinal barrier integrity and reduced inflammatory tone.

    • @ExsoLam
      @ExsoLam 2 года назад +9

      I wish more folks would bring SCFAs up when fiber is discussed. I only have a BSc in microbiology and only took one course on host-associated microbiomes, but it made a lot stuff click into place.
      Fiber isn't calorically neutral, we can yield up to 2.5 cals per gram, because of the SCFAs. An important consideration when counting calories. And fiber being super good for you doesn't make much sense if you think of it as just controlling the consistency of stool. Makes people underappreciate the benefits of fiber (and fruits and vegetables generally).
      And with the gut being such a major immune hub and with the gut-brain axis being recognized as more and more important, seeing fiber as NOT just this passive bulk is super important imo.

    • @maravillin
      @maravillin 2 года назад

      Do artificial sweeteners increase SCFA producing bacteria?

    • @Mir-gw6kj
      @Mir-gw6kj 2 года назад +12

      @@maravillin based on the video, it seems like they increase levels of SCFAs (butyrate, propionate, valerate) as well as the abundance of SCFA producing bacteria, although the metabolites were correlated with negative outcomes, which is odd. Other non- nutritives like sugar alcohols may also have some prebiotic effect, as does stevia

  • @neilrasmussen2063
    @neilrasmussen2063 2 года назад +7

    Not sure if I missed some fact, but it seems like the most emphasis was on the participants potential bias against artificial sweeteners. However around 7:26 in it was stated aspartame didn't affect blood glucose like the sucralose and saccharin, which proves that is not the case.

  • @MindPumpShow
    @MindPumpShow 2 года назад +4

    Great breakdown layne

  • @bastipear2864
    @bastipear2864 2 года назад +26

    Dude, I am hooked to your channel! I can't wait till you tell me one day if sweeteners are unhealthy or not. Till then, I will blast my system with this stuff

  • @jamesk4452
    @jamesk4452 2 года назад +318

    Coke zero is the peak achievement of the scientific community. FTA.

    • @EquityCall
      @EquityCall 2 года назад +44

      They should've won a nobel prize

    • @jessiel7694
      @jessiel7694 2 года назад +3

      💯😆😂

    • @TheMastermind729
      @TheMastermind729 2 года назад +30

      That stuff is nuts, can’t tell the difference

    • @TheCCBoi
      @TheCCBoi 2 года назад +21

      No, diet mountain dew is

    • @jamesk4452
      @jamesk4452 2 года назад +5

      @@TheCCBoi I haven't drank mt dew in 15+ years. I'll give it a shot though.

  • @DJHighHat
    @DJHighHat 6 месяцев назад

    Randomly happened upon this video and was super impressed by your reasoning. I don’t usually go to RUclips for dietary info, but this was quality content.

  • @Ryan_DeWitt
    @Ryan_DeWitt 2 года назад +234

    I have been taking in enough artificial sweetener to satisfy an elephant on a daily basis for 17 years now. I am lucky to be alive.

    • @BestLifeMD
      @BestLifeMD 2 года назад +6

      Me too!

    • @campfit505
      @campfit505 2 года назад +3

      Lol

    • @BOSSDONMAN
      @BOSSDONMAN 2 года назад +3

      Your brain must be turning to mush as we speak!

    • @erics2860
      @erics2860 2 года назад

      Bro you got cancer running thru your veins🤣

    • @Counter-Intuitive
      @Counter-Intuitive 2 года назад +1

      It depends on what kinds of sugar substitutes

  • @Editor_Steve
    @Editor_Steve 2 года назад +81

    18:55 most important part of this video. The study is legit. The interpretation by people with out this sort of critical thinking (aka the media) is what will be dangerous.

    • @EvsPersonal
      @EvsPersonal 2 года назад +5

      Well said. Unfortunately, this is the case with MANY media vs. studies with nutrition

    • @fl676
      @fl676 2 года назад +1

      👍🏻

    • @SubZero-kb1ir
      @SubZero-kb1ir 2 года назад +1

      Hey, it's Editor Steve. Hello Editor Steve. Fan of your work.

    • @Gladiator1972
      @Gladiator1972 2 года назад +6

      The placibo effect reminds me of an experiment a college professor did with his class. One day he told them he was going to break the rules and let them drink beer in class. What the students didn't know was they were drinking non-alcoholic beer (O'Douls). After a little while of "drinking", the student's voices became louder and some started acting buzzed.

    • @Counter-Intuitive
      @Counter-Intuitive 2 года назад +1

      The msm is just interested click bait. I remember when they were attacking Biden for pulling out of Afghanistan when in reality it was a positive thing.

  • @robertbaillie2948
    @robertbaillie2948 2 года назад +12

    30 years using aspartame, 65 now. Feel great fit as I have ever been.

    • @Moshealthtips
      @Moshealthtips 2 года назад +3

      Weve had saccharin for 140 years now. My mom said it was popular in Nigeria in the 60-70s. We should have enough safety data at this point

    • @funnygaming2672
      @funnygaming2672 2 года назад +3

      aspartame is the only sweetener that give me heart palpitation ...I prefer stevia and the other option anything but aspartame!

    • @phil4986
      @phil4986 2 года назад

      @@funnygaming2672 aspartame is poison.
      Mr.Baillie will find out soon enough but that is his choice.

  • @meredithbrooks2858
    @meredithbrooks2858 2 года назад +7

    As a person who never liked the taste of diet soda, eating or drinking anything with non nutritive sweetners was a shock to my system - I'm glad I watched this video and have a better understanding of what is happening - thanks Layne for making published research understandable

  • @ibperson7765
    @ibperson7765 2 года назад +6

    Note on DURATION:
    1. If something statistically significantly affects you in two weeks, it does.
    2. If not, that *could be* because it’s too short.

    • @rredding
      @rredding 4 месяца назад

      Note on statistically significance:
      Once the sample size is very large, like over 5000-10000 participants, significance is without any value.
      It is only statistically significant, but this days nothing about the value of the outcome. 😮

  • @mightywind7595
    @mightywind7595 2 года назад +9

    I use stevia daily and only have a little sugar once or twice a week. I use a teaspoon in my coffee and 1\4 teaspoon in my tea at bedtime. My mom is sure it will kill me because of some studies. I assured her that I would have to consume a bag or more of stevia a day to hurt me. It keeps me away from sugar and to me it’s a good trade off.

    • @RogueCylon
      @RogueCylon 2 года назад

      Have you tried monkfruit extract?😊

    • @phil4986
      @phil4986 2 года назад

      just stay away from aspartame and splenda/sucrolose.
      Both are man made chemical poisons in foods only because they are cheap and highly addictive.

    • @SevenCostanza
      @SevenCostanza Год назад +2

      Look on the back. You're actually consuming 99% erythritol

    • @edgewound
      @edgewound 11 месяцев назад

      even Stevia triggers an insulin response. The trigger is the sweetness on the tongue that triggers the brain to release insulin preparing for the metabolism of sugar. Not good for the pancreas or the liver. Quit added sweetness and let your brain adapt to not needing it. Coffee is better for you unsweetened.

  • @CaptainBerz
    @CaptainBerz Год назад +2

    Yea, people get caught up in this perfection complex. For someone who is drinking 2 sodas, regular, everyday and they switch to say one Celcius (Sucralose) a day, that would be a step in the right direction. While not perfect, though, it is better.

  • @steverino474
    @steverino474 Год назад +1

    When ever i start falling for woo...i rewatch Laynes videos.

  • @anathardayaldar
    @anathardayaldar 6 месяцев назад +1

    Especially for diabetics, sugar substs helps to reduce carbohydrates.

  • @Doormat00
    @Doormat00 2 года назад +4

    Would be interesting if you also mentioned who funded the studies.

  • @johnnyj5908
    @johnnyj5908 2 года назад +2

    12 years type 2 diabetic here. I stopped refined sugars immediately. I’ve used artificial sweeteners ever since. They have never elevated my blood sugar, and have never made me crave real sugar. I have had many real arguments with endocrinologists about this. Telling me I’m wrong because of studies. I’ve noticed that most of the studies are funded or done by the sugar companies. Or I’ve seen studies by equal against Splenda. Me personally have never read a non biased study. This one seams more legitimate than any I’ve seen. I’ve just went off what my blood glucose monitor says, and a1c. I even wrote down the time of day I would drink a diet my dew or no sugar coffee creamer, etc. And then I let an endocrinologist load my data to prove it, and they still argued with me. Tbh I’ve never met an endocrinologist that I’ve liked 😂

    • @TheCrazyCartModChannel
      @TheCrazyCartModChannel Год назад

      From the sounds of it, after 12 years you're still type 2 diabetic?
      IF that's the case, besides weight loss what benefit have you seen from cutting all refined sugars?

  • @ExsoLam
    @ExsoLam 2 года назад +3

    The increase in SCFAs suggests to me that the non-nutritive sweeteners are being metabolized by gut microbes similarly to fiber.

    • @batman-sr2px
      @batman-sr2px 2 года назад

      so is that bad for the microbes? What is the result of this?

    • @ExsoLam
      @ExsoLam 2 года назад +1

      @@batman-sr2px It's good for some microbes, the ones who can metabolize the non-nutritive sweeteners. Bad for ones that can't, and who need simple sugars. That would lead to the change in composition.
      The SCFAs they produce are just metabolic waste, like CO2 for us. It doesn't hurt or harm the microbes, but it SUPER helps us. SCFAs are incredibly good for the gut.

  • @micacam2684
    @micacam2684 2 года назад +2

    We knew all this. Didn’t t need the study. Can you imagine if people waited around for studies to declare if something is poison or not?

    • @03blaird
      @03blaird 2 года назад

      Crazy right? People today will get shot in the head and say "I'm waiting for a study to tell me if excess lead to my skull is bad"

  • @sorkeror
    @sorkeror 2 года назад +3

    Life is turning out to be pretty dangerous, there are literally billions of things that can harm and kill you

  • @Grim_trades
    @Grim_trades 2 года назад +2

    Really good talking points! That stress response explanation makes major sense

  • @DP-ye4xp
    @DP-ye4xp 2 года назад +3

    Overweight people have more medical issues than thinner or in shape people. Point being that people who for years without a break live in a calorie surplus tend to have the majority of health problems across the board. Not to say there could be something wrong with sweeteners, Just saying being overweight is much worse for your health and more worry some than sweeteners in my opinion.

  • @forthelulz8085
    @forthelulz8085 2 года назад +3

    I drink a diet soda for lunch 5 days a week and I can tell you, for me, it keeps me from giving into my sugar cravings. The cravings are simply dulled because my brain thinks it got the sugar already.

  • @BlackJesusChrist666
    @BlackJesusChrist666 2 года назад +7

    I’ve seen a ton of friends going from sugar beverages to artificial sweeteners to just water.

    • @kristinetran7734
      @kristinetran7734 2 года назад +4

      Agreed, I think it is a process of slowly getting off the bad stuff or rather transitioning and asking ourselves, "Do I really need that? Can I do without that?" Yippee!

    • @phil4986
      @phil4986 2 года назад

      Water won't kill you.
      Aspartame and Splenda / sucrolose will.

  • @hossskul544
    @hossskul544 Год назад +2

    0:17 as soon as you start talking about new studies, the first question that pops into my mind is, who funded the studies?

  • @jumproper8990
    @jumproper8990 2 года назад +6

    thanks for breaking down the study, and your criticism was very interesting and which teaches us a lot about the limitation of individual studies

  • @Ali-kf5bd
    @Ali-kf5bd 2 года назад +3

    I used to have basically a diet soda addiction and I don't think drinking a 2 litre of soda in a day is a good idea even if it is low calorie BUT these days I will have a single serving of diet soda a couple of times a week and I'm pretty confident that it's not causing me any issues. I'm in pretty good physical health and while I'm still a tiny bit overweight I used to be bordering on obese and I've been able to keep off 30 pounds for 2 years while drinking diet soda here and there. Of course that's just anecdotal but for me at least it doesn't seem to be a problem,especially compared to all the sugary treats I used to overindulge on.

    • @phil4986
      @phil4986 2 года назад

      this young woman had a massive reaction to aspartame and lost nine pounds in four days when she got off it.
      ruclips.net/video/aAPJMMMGCOY/видео.html

  • @williamhauser3686
    @williamhauser3686 Год назад +1

    Even if artificial sweeteners do raise glucose levels, they raise them far less than normL sweeteners. Even if artificial sweeteners aren't the best for the microbiome, sugar is not good for it either. This study might very well be 100% accurate, but still, relative to regular sweeteners, artificial sweeteners are still a net positive.

  • @civilapalyan6253
    @civilapalyan6253 2 года назад +1

    I still don't like artificial sweeteners, because they are not supposed to be in/as food, and I keep staying on the cautious side. Though I admit, sugar is the worst.

  • @robzplace4747
    @robzplace4747 2 месяца назад

    I consumed heavy, heavy aspartame for over 20 years in Diet Mt. Dew. I drank (6) 20oz bottles per day for over 20 years. I felt fine the whole time. I have since quit, but still consume some sucralose in Monster energy drinks. If I drink sugary drinks I feel terrible. The only thing I noticed when stopped aspartame is my severe leg cramps went away. My opinion is artificial sweeteners are better than sugar overall, but that is just my experience.

  • @mcfarvo
    @mcfarvo 2 года назад +1

    A fair summary, critique, and conclusion

  • @arpadnagy1354
    @arpadnagy1354 2 года назад +7

    3 months ago, i was still watching Dr Eric Berg videos.. Such a development that i got rid of that clown and now i can learn from a real expert. Thanks Layne for the lots of effort you put in your work!

  • @kimdavis7812
    @kimdavis7812 2 года назад +1

    Sound knowledge Layne !! Thank you

  • @zadinal
    @zadinal 2 года назад +11

    I would like to point out that prior to five years ago I had never consumed artificial sweeteners. Not because I thought they were bad I just liked regular sugar and preferred to make most of my own foods so it is completely within a realm of possibility that the participants just didn't consume them for non ideological reasons.
    Sounds really interesting, I'm going to go check out the article.

  • @maxsilbert
    @maxsilbert 10 месяцев назад +1

    Man, why didn't they include Ace K or erythritol in the study? So much more common in everyday food/drink products than something like sacharrin. The only time I see sacharrin is in toothpaste

  • @asiastormy8728
    @asiastormy8728 2 года назад +25

    I am wondering ultimately, with that study even if there is an rise in insulin or glucose, how much of an adverse effect it has on say someone with Diabetes 2? If the raise level is negligible compared to what sugar or carbs does, I am willing to keep using artificial sugar.

    • @gamer4ever838
      @gamer4ever838 2 года назад +4

      Its safe. Why? Because products contain maybe 100 mg aspartame. MG. NOT GRAMS.
      its so little your body wont even notice

    • @xMCxVSxARBITERx
      @xMCxVSxARBITERx 2 года назад +7

      @@gamer4ever838
      100mg can be a lot...or nothing, depends on how toxic it is really.

    • @xMCxVSxARBITERx
      @xMCxVSxARBITERx 2 года назад +7

      Diabetes 2 is mostly caused by carrying too much bodyfat... So no matter if there is a rise in insulin or not (short term), it is quite irrelevant, as the best way to combat D2 for most people is losing weight (calorie defecit, not sugar/insulin deficit lol).
      It can of course be different for those few who are diabetic without being overweight...

    • @gamer4ever838
      @gamer4ever838 2 года назад +3

      @@xMCxVSxARBITERx thank you. You are one of the few people that understand CICO

    • @xMCxVSxARBITERx
      @xMCxVSxARBITERx 2 года назад

      @@gamer4ever838
      Was that sarcasm or was you serious? 😊

  • @clinthansen469
    @clinthansen469 2 года назад +8

    The same people who say that artificial sweeteners are bad also say that sugar, coffee, dairy, and non-alkaline water are bad for you. I'm just going to focus on maintaining a healthy body fat level long-term and keep enjoying my diet Pepsi.
    Also, I think sucralose tastes disgusting, so I avoid it for that reason 😂.

    • @Sentinnel
      @Sentinnel 2 года назад +1

      It does taste worse than sugar.. but when combined with Ace K it's okay.. now aspartame on the other hand.. eww

    • @TheScyy
      @TheScyy 2 года назад

      @@Sentinnel Coke and Pepsi zero would like a word with you.

    • @Laiika93
      @Laiika93 2 года назад

      whaaat I can't see the difference (not like stevia which definitly have a taste) it's funny how different we perceive things ^^

    • @phil4986
      @phil4986 2 года назад

      if you have legs swelling or need to take lasix, you may want to stop drinking your diet pepsi.

  • @0s0n3gr0
    @0s0n3gr0 Год назад

    Whenever I need clarity on these matters I turn to use @biolayne. You cut through the bullshit and simplify the complex in doses the layman can understand. You also show how the vaguely understood scientific method is actually applied IRL and give it depth and context. Thank you sir.

  • @Supagremlin126
    @Supagremlin126 Год назад

    This video should be titled “how to admit you are wrong without admitting you are wrong”

  • @320csan
    @320csan 2 года назад +12

    I wonder if the researchers tracked dietary intake outside of the addition of non-nutritive sweeteners. Maybe the groups that were assigned to non-nutritive sweeteners ate differently as a result of knowing they were eating something they identify as "bad", because like mentioned, it's hard to blind here. Just adding my thoughts! Either way, great to know there is finally a human study!

    • @jimmymuthami7130
      @jimmymuthami7130 Год назад

      This has always been my issue with all these studies. They will say meat is bad because a certain group was eating this amount of meat and another wasn't eating. They won't say what else those guys were eating.

    • @Ozzy1984_
      @Ozzy1984_ 11 месяцев назад

      ​@jimmymuthami7130 in terms of meat and sugar, there have been plenty of studies where the participants are provided all of their food, which removes that risk. The data is pretty solid that meat and sugar are fine provided they dknt create a calorie surplus and you gain a lot of weight. It's pretty much as simple as calories in. Calories out.

  • @AquarianMan
    @AquarianMan 9 месяцев назад

    notes :
    non nutritive studies - well powered - within regular intake ranges
    gut microflora changes with any change in diet
    glyceimic response - adjusts over time
    metabolites that were changed - we dont know enough to say its bad - some say bad - others say good
    b fragilis - some say decreases inflammation
    when i make recommendations - looking at consensus of the data -
    they are not metabolically inert - but we dont know if its a bad thing or good thing
    braodly its ogood for human outcomes - because they are just consuming less calories
    glyceimia - initial response - the body probably adjusts over time - that could explain the difference between short term and long term data
    power of placebo can be just as powerful as actual drugs - if you are biased against hard - then you will see it as negative and you will have negative outcomes in physiology - placebo
    if you have no cravings for sweet - avoid non nutritive sweeteners
    but if you have

  • @kai6424
    @kai6424 Год назад

    So with all the uncertainty why risk it? Just stay away from daily use and just moderate. Once or twice a week if you must have it. But if that’s the case might as well have real sugar once a week. All of us are weak. It’s in us all. Telling myself this keeps me from lying to myself and it’s how I get over the “mind over matter” problem i have with trying to stay on a healthy path.

  • @JimGrass62
    @JimGrass62 2 года назад +1

    My Doctor recommended you.... sure glad he did

  • @midnightblack07
    @midnightblack07 Год назад +2

    Thank you so much for this video and for breaking down the facts in such a simple and unbiased way! I've seen so many fear-mongering videos regarding non-nutritive sweeteners in the last few days (especially following the WHO's recent recommendation), so this was incredibly refreshing.

  • @Pinkorchid72
    @Pinkorchid72 2 года назад +6

    I really love that you break down the science in a way that the average non-science person can understand. I appreciate your perspective and your opinion. Always entertaining and well informed. I feel like after watching your videos that I learn something new all the time. Thanks for all your hard work!

  • @Ryan-wx1bi
    @Ryan-wx1bi 2 года назад +1

    I just tend to stay away from any added suger/sweetener all together.

    • @phil4986
      @phil4986 2 года назад

      smartest person in the room by far

  • @nichtsistkostenlos6565
    @nichtsistkostenlos6565 Год назад +2

    If artificial sweeteners help an obese person to lose weight and get into a healthy weight range, that loss of weight would trump any small detectable negative impact of those artificial sweeteners by about a thousand fold. We live in the real world where everything is a trade-off. Maybe it would be better if somebody that's 400 lbs started suddenly eating the healthiest diet on Earth with just whole foods and no bullshit, but that's never going to happen. How about we start with just suggesting that they switch their soda habit for a diet soda habit and lose 20 lbs?

    • @AnoniMousen-s6k
      @AnoniMousen-s6k Год назад

      also not everything has the funds or privilege to be eating a whole food diet, I mean poor person here, the cheapest foods are carbs or stuff laden with chemicals and perservitives, simple sugars and carbs, and over sodiumed stuff, I am more than likely to get some sort of cancer from eating literally hotdogs, than indulging my sweet tooth with a cup of diet soda laden with ice.

  • @h.hickenanaduk8622
    @h.hickenanaduk8622 9 месяцев назад

    The Placebo Effect may have some response in any study, but it's main role is to measure the standard of error vs. the control group. I hear too many people treating the PE as if it were some magical explanation when a large part of it is just how weak experiments explain or write off large, unexpected deviations.

  • @michelrood2966
    @michelrood2966 2 месяца назад

    There will NEVER be an indefinite answer concerning artifical sweeteners.

  • @neurospicyrainbow
    @neurospicyrainbow 2 года назад +3

    to me, artificial sweeteners are so much better than high fructose corn syrup. if you had to choose, pick an artificial sweetener that your gut can handle and go from there.

    • @TheCrazyCartModChannel
      @TheCrazyCartModChannel Год назад

      Did you know that regular table sugar is 50% glucose and 50% fructose, while high fructose corn syrup is 45% glucose and 55% fructose?
      It's really not very different, but demonized much more

  • @theoriginalbreadcrumb
    @theoriginalbreadcrumb 2 года назад +1

    What about the rest of their diet? What about what other things they did? A lot of things can affect these results.

  • @Joseph1NJ
    @Joseph1NJ 2 года назад +3

    "Saccharin and sucralose impair glucose tolerance in healthy adults." In just two weeks? Wow!

    • @phil4986
      @phil4986 2 года назад +1

      Aspartame is just as bad.
      This crap is poison.

  • @EddieLiftsFX
    @EddieLiftsFX 2 года назад +2

    I’ve avoided non nutritive sweeteners because I’m not fat and regular sugar is just fine lol I maintain my leanness eating what I want so I don’t feel the need to drink diet anything or replace regular sugar

    • @mchobbit2951
      @mchobbit2951 2 года назад

      Just don't overdo it with the sugar. I don't care what they say, the chemical taste and the way my mouth feels when drinking something "diet" tell me, at the very least, that these sweeteners are just not for me. No one call tell me that it's healthier than, say, 100% organic apple juice just because it has no calories.

  • @Dan14833
    @Dan14833 Год назад

    I don’t think anyone is saying to replace your water with Diet Coke😂. The study wasn’t relative to the actual use of sugar substitutes, which is to replace sugar in the current diet.

  • @pablov1323
    @pablov1323 2 года назад

    This study also got my attention, Happy to hear your analysis!

  • @alexweigelhikes
    @alexweigelhikes 4 месяца назад

    I haven't personally done it, but isn't oral glucose disgusting? If it's already drawn up in a syringe, then maybe it's a non-issue. But if it's poured in a cup, then I bet that not everyone is finishing all of it. Do you rinse, swish, and drink? Toss the residue? Lick the cup? I'm with Layne on this one: The task sounds simple, but I don't think it was consistent.

  • @matthewgalvano7248
    @matthewgalvano7248 10 месяцев назад

    I LOVE telling my weight loss clients that they can basically drink as much diet soda as they want. It's a great jumping off point for talking about smart diet strategies that are NOT about deprivation and self-punishment

  • @UbzUnclemax
    @UbzUnclemax 2 года назад +1

    I wonder if he would be so soft on the researchers if they had done a weight loss study with controlling caloric and protein intake, but at the end of 2 weeks letting the participants measure the primary outcome 'bodyweight' at home ...

  • @scottymackay1801
    @scottymackay1801 2 года назад +8

    Basically if you're someone who consumes a lot of sugary drinks, you're better on artificial sweeteners. If you're someone who doesn't require sweetened drinks or foods, then don't start ingesting them. At best they're neutral on your body, or at worst they're bad for you.

    • @batman-sr2px
      @batman-sr2px 2 года назад +1

      what is the bad though

    • @TheCrazyCartModChannel
      @TheCrazyCartModChannel Год назад

      @@batman-sr2px logically anything that decreases your overall health, lifespan, or quality of life.

  • @drummerdorcas
    @drummerdorcas Год назад

    Why wouldn't they just put the sweeteners in gel capsules? That way no-one could taste what they are consuming

  • @disinformationworld9378
    @disinformationworld9378 2 года назад +2

    I would look into all health effects. Corporations also have funded studies so that their products are promoted in a favorable light.
    So one study is not enough.

  • @thepeddle
    @thepeddle 2 года назад +2

    Even if there is an initial spike, anything in moderation will not harm anyone. People just over due it and then shit gets vilified. I have one or two cans of diet coke a day and I'm never giving that up.

  • @ObliviouslyLucid
    @ObliviouslyLucid 2 года назад +1

    Well done- Thank you for the analysis.

  • @allisonfalin8854
    @allisonfalin8854 2 года назад +7

    Something I have learned wearing a CGM is that if you do not know precisely when to insert the cannula (can't do it when you are dropping sugar or it will be off by a good bit), calibration techniques etc, then the data from it is useless. It was an interesting study to read for sure, but I did wonder how they managed to do some of the data as you spoke to. I will continue with my occasional Coke Zero and motor on. Thanks for the interpretation.

  • @no3rdseat
    @no3rdseat 2 года назад +8

    I'm trying to quit my nightly wine habit and the only thing I feel blunts the cravings is Raspberry/Lemonaid Crystal Light. I have to think that Maltodextrin, Aspartame and ACE-K are, on balance, preferable to a bottle of wine a night. :(

    • @DarthNoshitam
      @DarthNoshitam 2 года назад +1

      Resveratrol though 😉

    • @no3rdseat
      @no3rdseat 2 года назад +1

      @@DarthNoshitam LOL! What a load of bullocks that resveratrol nonsense is!

    • @shinpaws1014
      @shinpaws1014 2 года назад +3

      sounds like you shouldnt have wine in the house for a while..

    • @no3rdseat
      @no3rdseat 2 года назад

      @@shinpaws1014 It's true, everything I had in the house is swimming with the fishes. Going forward, the plan is to just not have alcohol in the house.

    • @phil4986
      @phil4986 2 года назад

      believe it or not, a small glass of wine a night is good for you.
      the best answer to your quantity is to add food to your drinking but also to change your wine.
      American wines can be really awful.
      I bought a bottle of California moscata sweet wine from Walmart that was clearly cut with water and tasted like it had aspartame in it.
      It was awful ....almost like a diet soda wine.
      But I had been drinking a italian wine from a Giant store that was clearly a real wine.
      Which I went right back too.
      I never drink wines in boxes...only bottles.
      Crystal Light is horrifically addictive and dangerous to your health.
      Ask this woman.
      ruclips.net/video/aAPJMMMGCOY/видео.html
      Aspartame and splenda /sucrolose are poisons.
      stay away from both.

  • @Antaios632
    @Antaios632 4 месяца назад

    I'm a type 1 diabetic, so I wear a cgm all the time and I have to be 100% conscious of the sugar/carbs I eat and the insulin I put in my body. I guarantee that if I drank sugary drinks, it would raise my blood sugar and I'd have to take more insulin. It just seems obvious when you have to manually/consciously compensate for what a pancreas usually handles silently. Type 1 diabetics talk about being "on the rollercoaster" in terms of blood sugar variability - trying to chase sugar with insulin & vice versa. If you're consuming lots of simple sugars, your body is doing the same thing, you're just not consciously aware of it. For me, it's a no-brainer to use NNS as a tool to make my life easier and avoid the cardiovascular damage big swings in blood sugar can contribute to. Granted, science often challenges or refutes "common sense," but NNS would need to have some pretty big risks and negative effects to make them undesirable - and the science seems to be saying that those risks and negative effects are pretty small and difficult to detect without the kinds of rigid controls that make the studies less naturalistic and applicable to everyday life. And yes, of course I have the option of just not eating or drinking anything sweet at all. Maybe that's ultimately the best option if you can stick to it, but I don't see any point in that level of restriction for such a small and dubious benefit.

  • @soaringeagle5227
    @soaringeagle5227 2 года назад

    Great video. Thanks Layne!

  • @Sardy540
    @Sardy540 2 года назад

    Awesome summary and analysis mate! Cheers from Australia!

  • @helios4425
    @helios4425 2 года назад +1

    Not buying the power of placebo. The power of placebo only affected glycemic response from sucralose and saccharin groups? How discriminating of placebo

  • @standardtuning4guitars423
    @standardtuning4guitars423 4 месяца назад

    Yes its nice to pick up whatever is convenient and if it tastes good we should be able to trust them.

  • @jonathanberry1111
    @jonathanberry1111 8 месяцев назад

    IMO, this really doesn't relate to how the body is going to adjust to consumption of carb free or or no sucrose/glucose so the body learns not to respond. It seems to me that the longer term evidence is more valid, and you have to consider that the alternatives are what, eating more sugar? Drinking more water? Being less happy? Using more willpower?

  • @weareyouare2680
    @weareyouare2680 Год назад

    A short study duration is fine when effects are detectable.

  • @unbelvbl
    @unbelvbl 2 года назад

    @7:00 you say that they cannot be blinded.
    IMO They definitely could be blinded by adding some kind of flavor with a bad taste

  • @robertkraychik1884
    @robertkraychik1884 2 года назад +1

    thanks, layne. interesting breakdown of the strengths and potential weaknesses of the study.

  • @scotter
    @scotter 2 года назад +1

    Apologies if I missed this and maybe this was not something you considered relevant to the topic: What about past evidence pointing to aspartame, et al, being neurotoxic?

  • @promo130
    @promo130 2 года назад +3

    Lost 35 lbs in 12 weeks
    And drink alot of these sweeteners drinks all day long

  • @hobonickel840
    @hobonickel840 Год назад

    Studies not necessary, it only requires walking into a Walmart maybe 17 years ago while noticing all the candy with natural sugar was gone completely from the shelves, replaced with a still expansive selection of sugarfree everything. Many had their identifying marker deceivingly in fine print. This along with wonder-full curiosity to the random probability and odds as a guide from which curiosity asks why such a break from the norm.

  • @BornToRun.
    @BornToRun. 2 года назад +3

    Fascinating! Can’t give up my Dew Zero.

    • @phil4986
      @phil4986 2 года назад

      Of course you can't ....the soda company put a manmade poison in it to addict you to it. They get rich, it makes you sick, the pharma companies get rich ,you die.
      Everyone wins but you and the family watching you die.

  • @mattepton5731
    @mattepton5731 4 месяца назад

    Great video Layne ! Thank you 🙏 !

  • @ashishtom
    @ashishtom 2 года назад +3

    Should I worry about sucralose in my whey protein isolate? I take 1 scoop a day

    • @phil4986
      @phil4986 2 года назад

      find one that uses stevia or monk fruit .
      Sucrolose/Splenda and aspartame are man made chemical poisons meant to addict you to the products they are in.
      Sucrolose/Splenda attacks the stomach and intestines.
      There is no human dose that is safe.

  • @josiahcriswell5585
    @josiahcriswell5585 2 года назад +1

    Nods while sipping on one of 7 different supps with sucralose

  • @charliehaskell1926
    @charliehaskell1926 2 года назад +5

    It makes logical sense that it would take the body a bit to adapt to something new. It’s actually really cool to see a study on a population where they are trying something brand new to their body chemistry. Shame about the implementation. Fascinating study in any case.

  • @mrsloth_8820
    @mrsloth_8820 2 года назад +8

    Haven’t watched yet. Just finished a Diet Dr Pepper. Am I gonna die???

    • @twopintsofmilk
      @twopintsofmilk 2 года назад +11

      Absolutely! Not sure how big the bottle was but I'd give you less than 100 years

    • @secondthought2
      @secondthought2 2 года назад

      U just might

    • @mrdee2454
      @mrdee2454 2 года назад +1

      Are you vaccinated than yes

    • @qT_p13
      @qT_p13 2 года назад

      Yes..... eventually

  • @86Dynamix
    @86Dynamix 2 года назад +7

    This is another great video from Layne. However, I think that something important is not being addressed here. These test subjects started taking sweetener, but what did they replace with sweetener? If these people were comsuming lots of sugary beverages and such before the study and then started taking a sweetener instead, could that possibly mean that the lack/absence of sugar is that actual cause of the change in the gut microbiome and not the sweetener itself?

    • @benjaminchapman3924
      @benjaminchapman3924 2 года назад

      perhaps they used the food history data that they got from the participants to determine if they used NNS before and accounted for it in the results? Dont know without reading the paper itself

  • @ragingmoderate6791
    @ragingmoderate6791 4 месяца назад

    Im just going to assume the 200 pounds i have lost by replacing sugary soda and sugar filled coffee creamer for coke zero and sugar free creamer and erythritol. Will have a much greater benefit than any negative response from the sweeteners.

  • @punkandlifting
    @punkandlifting 2 года назад +12

    All I’m going to say is zero calorie non nutritive sweeteners are a godsend

  • @battoreddu9303
    @battoreddu9303 2 года назад +1

    So the problem are the things that are added to the artificial sweeteners (like maltodextrine) or the sweetener itself? I didn't understand that. I use liquid sucralose so I shouldnt have problems?

    • @phil4986
      @phil4986 2 года назад

      aspartame and splenda/sucrolose are manmade chemical poisons only in the american food system because they are horrifically addictive and cheap to make.
      Stevia and monkfruit are supposedly better choices but you have to shop around to find one that in processed properly to your taste.

    • @battoreddu9303
      @battoreddu9303 2 года назад

      @@phil4986 it's not poison, it's just sugar with the calories being stripped off . Everything is man made in this world,even vegetables are chemically processed. Natural doesn't mean healthy. I'm just concerned about insuline levels

    • @phil4986
      @phil4986 2 года назад

      @@battoreddu9303 splenda is poison and everything is not man made. healthy insulin levels start with extreme carb reduction not poison sweeteners but you do you. if it's poison at least you've been warned.

  • @massimo7219
    @massimo7219 2 года назад

    I don't know why people don't just use some table sugar, it has a glycemic index of 65, a glycemic load of just 6. Just keep the rest of your nutrition in check.

  • @AdmiralLando
    @AdmiralLando 2 года назад +1

    Sure, from a weight management perspective (and from a general health perspective), NNS are obviously preferable to sugar by a large margin. I guess the question is, are unsweetened beverages preferable to artificially sweetened? In other words, is there any reason to choose the unsweetened iced tea over the Diet Coke? Or the unsweetened energy drink over the one sweetened with stevia or monkfruit? Or are they effectively the same?

    • @phil4986
      @phil4986 2 года назад

      Unsweetened iced tea does not attack your guts and has anti inflammatory effects on the body.
      Diet Coke contains aspartame which is a manmade chemical poison meant to addict you to the products it is in.
      Aspartame causes edema ,brain issues and blood clots.
      All energy drinks are a chemical soups of awfulness but stay away from Splenda/sucrolose and aspartame sweetened ones especially.
      The regular RedBull ones...not the diet ones .....seem to be ok but who the hell really knows.
      Alot of sugar though.
      Really not drinking or eating sweets unless its actual fruit seems to be the only safe sweet choice.
      But aspartame and splenda / sucrolose are man made highly addictive poisons.
      read the labels and do not buy products that contain them.

    • @AnoniMousen-s6k
      @AnoniMousen-s6k Год назад

      @@phil4986 1. its not a posion to the human species, it can poison certain animals, but most artificial sweeteners can poison animals, but if it was a poison my mother and grand mother would be dead b y now, 2. almost all food is created with some sorts chemical compounds whether natural or lab made, 3. red bull is not okay in either form as they have been tied to deathss due to cardiac arrests, this is due to the caffiene content that is almost inhuman in terms of caffiene, if you have a heart issue, are prone to heart issues, and have no legitimate need for it (i.e. your not working a job that requires more energy.) then don't drink them, fruit is safe it depends though how much your eating, and what fruit it is, as a diabetic, I can eat certain types of fruit more than others, the sweeter it is, the bad it can be for me, even fruitarians who live on nothing but fruit alone, can induce diabetes or gain weight. sugar is more inherently and proven dangerous than artificial sweeteners you dont need a scientific study to see the damage it has historically wrought, just look at the skeletal remains of a european before the introduction of sugars, to the skeletal remains of those who had sugar readily available,

  • @CerebralFriction
    @CerebralFriction 2 года назад +1

    They probably just should've taken a group and had them not consume non nutritive sweetners for a period of time instead of getting participants who had never used them