DC Reboot: The Good, the Bad, and the D.O.A.
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- Опубликовано: 1 фев 2023
- Is the latest DC reboot DOOMED after firing Henry Cavill? James Gunn just announced the new DCU slate, took a shot at Disney Marvel and the former WB management, and also denied firing Cavill. Let's go over the good, the bad, and the dead on arrival.
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I will never pay for a ticket of an universe that fired Henry Cavill but kept Ezra Miller and Amber Heard.
Most people won't. Then the showrunners will just call everyone racist and bigots when their shows/films inevitably fail because that's their go-to card which they somehow haven't figured out yet that it doesn't work.
maybe its better that henry isnt associated with ezra and amber...maybe its for the best. let DC crash and burn
What they did to Cavill was unprofessional & out right stupid, you have an actor the Social Media generation sees as a super star & fire him instead of admitting that the old leaders were at fault, DC is done man. No one wants another Superman Prequel they could have just had Cavill as the oldest hero after all superman is the first DC hero.
Also who ask for an Amanda Wilder show, Super Girl in a dark film, Amazon movie, already woke it's done. Also the Aquaman actor is older than Cavill man DC is done.
Henry Cavill firing just confirmed they don't know what they are doing & think they can force the public to be behind them.
As someone who grew up in the 90s it's just shocking to see these companies commit to their destruction
@@bewmdogg I'm so tired of companies thinking they can get my business by calling me names.
They didn't 'keep'. Those films were already finished. They're being diplomatic, because Hollywood is ALWAYS diplomatic, it's always 'Creative Differences' or other euphemisms, for "I HATED that guy, never going to work with him ever again." Remember what Helmsworth said about working with Waititi? 'Mad Genius' and 'Like a Seven Year Old' but made it sound positive, despite never going to be working with that looney toon ever again? There's a good chance that neither of those two will ever work for WBD ever again, but they can't throw them under the bus because the Agency (Which has legions of actors under) might take offence and keep talent from working for WBD, or make it too expensive to hire one of their actors. It's all BS and doublespeak.
Henry Cavil is difficult to work with because he stands for the source material and Hollywood teams want to feel “creative” so they have to destroy the source material
Zack Snyder made a darker Superman that's nothing Superman actually stands for. Gunn and Safran said they want the Superman that stands for truth, justice, and the American way which wasn't Henry Cavill's Superman.
@@hughjass69933 Snyder created the most human and alive Superman.
@@user-iz7km4zl5k he’s a comic book character. Not a real life alien. Portraying that in movies isn’t Superman
Hehehe
Man y'all know why they got rid of him. They just want to make the gay super man and Henry would never bend to their will. They literally have been pushing gay superman in the comics...
Reminds me of a scene from Jurassic Park 2...
John Hammond: "Don't worry, I'm not making the same mistakes again."
Ian Malcolm: "No, you're making all new ones."
Sums this up nicely. :)
I just find it so funny that Gunn, who has said multiple times over the years that he doesn’t want to do Superman, is now suddenly so excited to be doing Superman.
"It's going to be a fantastic film". Yeah, no. I ain't watching it. No way they fire Cavill but keep a pair of criminals like Ezra The Burglar and Amber The Abuser.
Only to push the woke religion, im honestly scared to see what they will do .
He didn't want to do Superman, he wanted to do Gay Superman.
Yea excited to fucking ruin it 😂
He wants money, he’s a terrible match for a Superman movie. He’ll fill it with his cringe humor.
the fact they are even thinking Ezra Miller deserves to continue making movies says all I need to know about DC.
Ezra and Gunn are both pedos so, it makes perfect sense why he wants to keep his pedo buddy on board. You know what they say, birds of a feather. 🤷♂️
Why is Ezra miller so protected and Henry cavill isnt?
Ezra is playing the 'gender fluid' card and so is protected while Henry is a 'straight white male' & therefore similar to the Antichrist.
im pretty confident hes going to get fired, they just dont want to torpedo the movie
I doubt it after flash movie comes out he will be fired it all depends on Superman legacy if the movie sucks or underperforms then I wouldn't be surprise if they fire Gunn and start all over again! Gunn DC slate absolutely sucks in my opinion so he better hope Superman legacy works out or it's game over!!!!!
Henry Cavill not being fired is like Batman not killing Ra's al Ghul. "I didn't kill him, I just refused to save him from the train I crashed." "I didn't fire Cavill, I just refused to keep him as my employee."
"Henry Cavill was never fired, because he was never hired." /trollface
@@Mazra42 dude... please up you're cope game.
and Ezra Cultleader and amber turd are in hell nah
@@Sir_Bubbles_Malone Bruh he's literally summarising what James Gunn said. Also, your*
@@racemachiner damn lol, hit him with the ole spell check. Went straight for the throat right out of the gates😂.
As long as Ezra and Amber are part of the project, I couldn't care less about the end result.
See flash trailer first
@@Manojplays1 No.
If I smell crap in my lunchbox, I don’t need to open it, look inside, scoop up a finger full of crap, and stick it in my mouth to know that it’s crap.
@@gwenwalravens8030 but dudeeeee Michael Keaton's Batman is in it!!! Remember those movies? Those were fun
@@saltyjaxx3080 Even if the pope were in it, dancing in a hulu skirt and wearing a pink bikini, I'd still not watch it.
But yes, Michael Keaton's Batman was super fun. 😂😂
Looks like a 4th reboot is on the way in a couple of years
When DCU rebooted their own universe more than Marvel’s Spiderman
I don't think CBMs would be even that huge by that point. Videogame adaptations are taking over.
There have been 2 Flashpoints in dcamu.
James Gunn's announcement video came across like a teacher handing out a syllabus to his students.
A pretty boring one.
"My favourite story". "My favourite Robin". "I really like Tom King's take on Supergirl". "My Passion Project".
And best of all, James Gunn just admitted he finished writing seven episodes of Creature Commandoes before he's finished a Superman script. Mate, even if you do it that way, why the hell would you announce it like that... It just looks bad.
Yeah a woke curriculum.
And the students always know that 33% of it will never happen and another 33% of it shouldn't happen.
I was actually reminded of the Jeff Kaplan Overwatch updates.
They get rid of Henry Cavill, one of the best portrayals of Superman (he would've been perfect if he was in a better writer's hand) yet keep the Groomer? Ok. Screw you Hollywood. Screw you WB.
You never know. People forget how ridiculous it sounded when teen idol Heath Ledger was going to follow in the footsteps of Jack Nicholson for The Joker.
@@cariboubearmalachy1174 Groomer. Which part of that is confusing to you?
wtf worst superman in live action who had no character or personalities
MoS was perfect, then they had to muck up Zack's vision for the rest.
@@cariboubearmalachy1174 it was the same for Michael Keaton and Ben Affleck when they were casted as Batman, and both were amazing. Miller is a certified groomer and abuser, and his flash wasn't that great, even in ZSJL. There is no comparison there.
Can't wait to see the Cast... i hope. i liked Cavill and Affleck, no matter if movies were good or bad.
The casting truly was the best thing about those movies (apart from Eisenberg as Luthor I don't know what they were thinking on that one).
Think they should have carried on with the Snyder Stuff?
@@death-king1834 Probably paying a favor, OY VEY!!!
@@cjhepburn7406 with better writers hopefully
I'm pretty easy to please when it comes to comic book movies, but I gotta say when the 2nd announcement in this huge reshifting of the DC universe is to announce a show around Waller, I had to laugh. I'm willing to bet if you polled 1000 regular people on whether they'd like to see a show centered around her character, only 5 would say yes.
Then ask if they want to see that critical race theory moron in anything at all…
It took sometime for me realise that a lot of these projects are based of artist availability and preference.
Say whatever you want about MCU but they didn't start doing something like that until endgame happened. Before that they were willing to switch actors which they did for Hulk and Warmachine instead of compromising the storytelling.
The problem is that they see Waller as the DCEU analog of Marvel's Nick Fury. In their mind Marvel fans would definitely watch a show dedicated to Nick Fury, so that stands to reason the DCEU fans should want to watch a show centered on the DCEU analog (what they think is the DCEU analog anyway).
@@7opher619 honestly that logic isn’t totally flawed; I _was_ a marvel fan and I adored nick fury, so I totally would have watched had that show not been awful. It destroyed his character, it destroyed the universe even further, and it was a huge slap in the face to fans. Had there been a spy thriller centering nick fury around a decade ago, however, it would’ve killed. Which is the sticking point. Fury was a beloved character by that point already, Waller isn’t. That’s why it’s a problem. Like Gary said, viola Davis as Waller is really good casting, but if she’s ever going to reach the levels of fan adoration as fury did, it’ll have to take some time. Warner has to let her build some mystique like marvel did for fury back in the day. I don’t want a show giving me all the backstory that made a cool character cool before I’ve even seen this character being cool.
@@DannyDevitoOffical-TrustMeBro I think you should spend more time thinking before you write a response. My logic is perfectly fine. You are positing that a show for Waller is premature because she hasn't had the time to marinate like Fury has. That would be the same thing as saying they are not the same. They (Warner) think Waller is already the DCEU equivalent to Nick Fury. She isn't. She hasn't had the screen time or impact Fury has had, as you said. Which is what I said in fewer words.
I love how Gunn’s first act is to gather a Suicide Squad of failed hack writers and show runners with zero talent or successful projects under their belt 😂
Imagine a John Stewart written by these wackatoids. John is my favorite Lantern. I am afraid Ryan Reynolds's Hal will be elevated to iconic after it.
Well, they got the one guy who did the Netflix Daredevil... That's the only possible good I recall from the list of names given... The majority mentioned are failures that helped create crap. So definitely sounds like a "winning" formula.
So damn stupid swamp thing Waller tv show Supergirl movie and wildstorm authority who gives a rats ass about this God's and monster's monkey crap! Superman legacy and Batman brave and bold are the only chance Gunn have so if those movies don't sell it's game over for his punk ass now can you dig that suckaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
@@VanTesla if I were half as bad of an electrician as these guys are writers I would’ve ended up in prison by now after having accidentally killed dozens of people. It’s wild that Hollywood writers keep getting rehired despite spending decades writing garbage that absolutely no one has liked
Makes it easier to have all the control
If they had just given Henry Cavill ONE more movie, where he could play the hopeful Superman that Henry/us always wanted, there would be INFINITELY less pushback/complaints.
Or kept it consistent by getting rid of all the Synderverse actors. Instead, it's this weird mesh where it just looks like James Gunn doing whatever he wants.
That's why they lost me. I won't spend a dime on their stuff anymore.
I'll bootleg and all that maybe if I'm curious.
But they let go of a ready and willing Henry Cavill who respects the fans AND IS A GREAT SUPERMAN
Henry was the perfect actors to play Superman and they just disregard him and the people who love him.
Yeah, right. It's always going to be "only if they did this..." WB poured $80m into the Snyder Cut without getting any return and the fans responded by becoming more toxic. I wouldn't trust them, either.
@@dragonknightleader1 That's exactly what it is... just like it would be with anyone put in charge.
"A older, establish Batman", you mean like the one we already had? "Superman's legacy", like how MOS's Black Zero event affects the sequels? "Use established characters to prop up lesser known ones", So like Ayer using Supe's death and Batman to establish Suicide Squad?
This "new" DCU won't see a penny of my money 😎
Yeah right😂😂😂 as soon as a superman trailer or batman trialer pops up everyone whos saying “not spending money”
Will all go rush to see it in theaters.
Stop with the bullshit.
Back when mos and bvs came out everyone hates herny cavils superman and zack snyders version of him but now all of a sudden people adore him and call him the “best superman”
You “fans” dont know what you want
🧢
Henry must be heaving a massive sigh of relief after this announcement tbh. They never deserved him and proved it by mismanaging everything to do with his casting including how they forced him out.
Didn't they say that he wasn't fired
@@mohabalserafe3795 yeah they said that. But when he’s the only one from the Snyderverse not allowed to stay with his role it says otherwise
@@qwertyllama9441 I am actually more confused now like if they didn't fire him then what exactly are they going to do with him
@@mohabalserafe3795 Gunn is deflecting by saying there wasn’t an agreement to bring him back. Henry was brought back in Black Adam and it was Gunn’s decision to keep him or not. He fired him
@@qwertyllama9441 will that was a stupid decision I hope whoever he chooses to play Superman in Superman legacy doesn't screw up with the character and correct me if I am wrong didn't he show up in black Adam because the rock wanted him to be there
When he said watchmen, I thought he meant the movie, but then I was quickly thrown back into reality that there was a show
Same, totally forgot that that one existed.
Nope, there was not any, and ghost busters also had some terrible hate fiction to the level or Staw Wars, but the worst hate fiction was rings of powder.
That show was like a bad dream we all had. I often forget about it too 😅
Nerdrotic, bravo brother! I really hope you get out what you put into this work. So many true fans are thankful.
Every time I hear any news about live action DC projects I take a deep breath and go back to comics, animations and games
No matter how good a director or visionary is... It only takes one studio intervention....
I like to think that the cancellations and everything, the money that Disney is pissing away, the heat from the Internet... is MAYBE enough to suggest to these people, like James Gunn said, you release a movie with crap writing, doesn't matter how much you spunk into effects and force out that turd to hit your date, people don't want that crap.
And then Joker comes out with a tiny budget and a perfect script, boom, a whole Billy.
@@SG-df9er -- coherent English, plz.
Or are you saying he treats kids like they are in prison?
What does the contract say.
All the kids today!
I've been done with DC for a while, Cavill being fired was the final straw. Thats a bridge they burned with me, I am now planting dynamite to prevent that bridge from ever being rebuilt.
Has anyone else noticed how often showrunner use other TV shows or characters to describe their own? It's like True detective. It's like Game of Thrones. And the Rings of Power showrunners do it all the time. We also have the MCU doing it when describing their characters. It smacks of a total lack of imagination if you can't create something that is either totally unique OR based on the source material.
But that's all the Hollywood "suits" understand. It's how creatives get ideas sold in pitch meetings: compare your concept to a proven success/moneymaker the "suits" have heard of. Roddenberry pitched Star Trek as "Wagon Train to the stars." Miami Vice was pitched as "MTV cops."
Yes, they sound like they don't know what they are talking about, or like they have no creativity, instead of saying "it's a sci-fi thriller" "i'll be a fantasy court drama" this way It would sound invested and creative.
Nah, I disagree. I think it's just a useful, short hand way of conveying quickly to viewers what flavor the show will have. You wouldn't say tge same about chef's and they use the same method all the time.
There's plenty of valid reason to rag on Hollywood, but that isn't one of them (although you are correct about current writers having no imagination).
There's no such thing as totally unique, man. Green lantern ripped off lensmen novels. Batman ripped of Shadow and Superman is combination of multiple older Characters. His fortress of solitude was stolen from Doc savage who's known as "man of bronze" whose first name is also Clark. He even had a blonde female cousin with similar characteristics.
Using an older show or established as template isn't wrong. It makes things easier to sell to people and understand. It's just to get a point across. People have been doing it for decades.
It paints a picture of in your head.
The fact he said Damien Wayne was his favourite Robin tells me that this first chapter is going to suck so hard
Bad management is any company's downfall. The same goes for the internet too for bad security. You can never please the creeps who are never in the target profit crowd. Fans and customers are important in earning money and love.
Well I think a lot of people like me are fed up with the raping and pedophilia that goes along with Hollywood. Hollywood is an industry that looks the other way when their talented people touch/molest/rape little boys & girls and even women & men all gender and ages have a horrifying Hollywood story to them. It's a industry based off of power and forcing underpower people to do sexual things for them, It is a disgusting industry and I won't spend my money on it anymore.
@@minnesota_fats7344 That is how Danny Elfman made the song 'Little Girls' to satirize what Hollywood has been doing. Any industry is bad.
So many people are 100% about the origin of the problem, the root of this subversive evil. Go read the talmud and come back here
@@LuigiTheMetal64 I hate you. I want to unsee that.
Just putting Christian Bale as Batman and Cavill as superman in one film would probably make more money than this whole universe is going to make
Yep
They should have brought Bale's Batman together with Cavill's Superman from the get go . But that probably required Nolan to stay on, and he wasn't going to do that.
So far it looks doomed to fail
Even though I do not like Bale's Batman, I wholeheartedly agree.
Then again, I couldn't give a shit less about DC, or any of this fucking garbage. I'm just here to point and laugh while roasting marshmallows on the dumpster fire that is an overrated company (DC).
That would be a dream come true, even if the story wasn't that good, I think everyone would just be happy to not only see them back in action but working together.
I just wanted to take the opportunity to thank you for your videos! People like you and Doomcock are the Dynamic Duo who are guardians of protecting the comics and franchises we know and love from bastardization by woke intersectionality.
"Tom King IS the Woman of Tomorrow" -Ethan Van Sciver.
After what they did to Cavill and the fact Gunn's keeping all his own shit and its not a full reboot, this universe is dead before arrival as far as I'm concerned.
Facts
💯
Eff James Gunn.
@@michaelquaid4679
It is not "facts".
@@dylansharp8471 we shall see....
«Along with a team of very good writers.»
I’ve seen enough of Hollywood’s «good writers» these past ten years, so I will be looking up what they’ve been involved with before even concidering watching any of these projects.
They say they have a team of good writers and then they say they are adapting something Tom King wrote proving they don't know what a good writer looks like.
I wasn't a huge fan of Snyder-verse but a reboot is completely unappealing. I think they could have salvaged a lot of elements from Snyder's movies while accomplishing the same thing they are attempting here. What they did salvage is nothing exciting for me. Endgame was a good exit point for the MCU. I'm not reinvesting into a reboot universe, so this is also a good exit point.
Brilliant break down Gary, 100% spot on. It baffles me too about a 25 year old Superman eventually teaming up with a 45 year old Batman, makes Zero sense!
While I am disappointed that Henry Cavill is no longer Geralt or Superman, I can hardly wait for him to bring Warhammer to screen. His dedication to the fans and original source material alone is admirable, and I can hardly wait to see what his future holds for him!
I really can't imagine anyone better to spearhead that. Kind of a blessing in disguise, really
He's making it for Amazon. They will interfere and screw it up somehow
If there's any karma in the world, Cavill's 40K series will hit early Game of Thrones levels of popularity and WBD/Gunn's new DCU will be a complete flop.
I won't spend a dime on DC because of how they treated Henry Cavill.
He was a ready and willing great Superman AND he respects the fans.
FUK DC
With Alex Jones as Horus Lupercal!
Hollywood: We'll be making the TV shows and movies that we want
Fans: Cool, cool, but will they be any good
Hollywood: See our previous statement
I guess the fact that Superman has the word MAN in it was a contributing factor..especially when I look at Henry (supernerd that he is) Tall Dark Handsome ripped and an all round nice guy...then you have james gunn.....who seems to be NON of those things...what could POSSIBLY go titsup?!
Gool job. I like the way you gave your opinion throughout the presentation. Good job! Just gained a new subscriber.
The DC list feels like a "This is what I am going to do over Winter Recess" or "this is what I am going to do during lockdown" . . . You know... Shit you never actually get done.
I Don't know this whole list to me is good on paper but what matters most is the execution
@@mohabalserafe3795
And Gunn himself is noted as a comic fan.
@@dylansharp8471 is that supposed to be a question or are you just giving me this as an information
@@mohabalserafe3795 His fans call himself comic fan but he change almost everything from the source material.
Hollywood doesn't deserve Herry Cavill
"We fixed the glitch" - exactly what I thought to when I read how they didn't fire Cavill
As always on the mark and on the money. Great video once again, Nerdrotic.
Say what you will about James Gunn, but just remember that his other half at DC, Peter Safran, was the one who announced "I don't think we're ever going to react to fan pressure. Because, you know, you've gotta do what you feel is best for the movie" as his excuse for keeping AH on in Aquaman 2.
Oh yeah, because the studios didn't do that with Johnny Depp at all. And he was innocent. At least we know now that Amber was guilty, so it's time to give her the boot.
Yeah I’ll continue to say what I will about that fraud James gun because the dude is clearly someone who is a fence writer with the whole thing with wanting to reboot everything but also he wants to keep certain individuals like Ezra Miller because you know still needs it as a jumping off point to do his full reboot instead of just rebooting it
@TheOriginal Unaleska The studio(Warner) would have fired Depp had it not been for JK Rowling. I still remember how he kept his job since the news outlets wouldn't shut up at the time about why he was being kept at the height of the AH accusations.
@@cttommy73 I'm buying her video game as soon as I'm able
They just react twitter pressure.
This all makes firing Henry ever weirder as he would have been perfect for this version of Superman.
what you expect from a human troll figurine...
@Jessica Lacasse omg I can't unsee it now 🤣 he's a troll doll!
Henry is Superman legacy movie
Cavill doesnt have a farm full of kids
he was never hired
So they went from a dark synder verse to a more quirky gunn vision
Wasn't Dick Grayson the Batman that Damien was paired up with for most of Morrison's run due to Bruce being lost in time
What really kills me is that Henry Cavill is being fired for no obvious reason, while Ezra Miller and Amber Heard seemingly get infinite patience from WB/Discovery. Cavill deserves so much better, Miller and Heard need to GTFO.
The one that really gets me is the announcement of "The Brave and the Bold." We can't get a Batman film with Dick Grayson as Robin? I understand that we don't need another Batman in his second year. Thing is, you need to establish these characters. There's no way we should be introduced to Damian Wayne without seeing Dick, Jason, Tim, Stephanie, Barbara, Cassandra, Kate, and Bette first. Especially when Tim and Damian have been at each other's throats for years. I agree with Gary. Just focus on one film at a time. Make a Superman film, then a sequel to that. Next, do Batman, followed by a sequel to that film. Then make a "World's Finest" film, and go from there. Ultimately, this stems from one key issue. DC is ashamed of embracing everything that makes them who they are.
Well, they don't have to make EVERYTHING in the same time period. They can jump around and do things as they want it, and not be limited to some things like Marvel is.
I love the way you used the JL animated intro theme in the background.
I hope that we all can agree on that these companies need to go bankrupt. We don't need them "fixed".
What Warner Bros. Is doing to DC can be described perfectly by a quote from Henry Cavill’s Superman. “You won’t let me live, but you won’t let me die either.” (I probably butchered that quote, I’ll come back to edit it when I find the exact wording, but YGWIM)
Aside from the "but", I think u're on point.
I still don’t get why anyone expects James to head that “universe” well if the movie he directed in it was a flop and then on top of that doesn’t listen to what people wanted , it’s like they hired the wrong guy on purpose
What are the chances Superman: Legacy is about Lois and Clark’s son?
I also can’t help but notice that the art used for The Brave and the Bold features Dick Grayson as Batman. 🤔
They could go for the story where batman goes missing and Dick Grayson becomes batman temporarily and finds real Bruce with Damian.
No offence to comic nerds, but this sounds like a 10 year plan made by a comic nerd for comic nerds. The beauty of the MCU was that it started with self-contained stories grounded in reality and with likeable characters. Then as they went on it expanded and the range got wider and wider. People only got in to Guardians of the Galaxy because it was part of an established MCU. Introducing weird c-list comic squads is only going to appeal to hardcore comic nerds or hardcore DC/superhero stans. Normies couldn't care less about obscure stuff like this.
You know the sad thing is if they are going to tell a story about a Super Girl who survived on a dying chunk of Krypton, that could have fit really well with Henry Cavil's Superman and could have even finally given a good reason why Zod was so uncompromising and went for trying to terraform Earth into New Kyrpton if he was running against a time clock, where he needed a new home for the survivors before everybody died. This could have then set up an interesting movie where Super Girl starts off trying to destroy Superman, blaming him for stopping Zod and her friends and family dying, since Zod never came back to rescue them with the new home he promised.
As critical as I am of Snyder, he actually had that planned with easter eggs in Man of Steel
As good as that plot setup sounds, we know that Snyder doesn't do heroes fighting each other stories well.
We'd get a "Save Martha" ('Save Jor-El....' 'Why did you say my uncle's name???') moment between the two, and then they'd have a random fight with Brainiac for the last ten minutes of the movie.
I hate RUclips comments
@@whitworth5s248 Agreed.
What would get a lot of people talking in media would be if they end up putting Henry Cavill's Superman back in, hell it would be super smart of them to have planned it all along, it has made sure everyone LOVES Henry Cavill, & that everyone knows his name.
They don’t care about that. They want cheap young actors, dc will never do what marvel did. They know that their ceiling it’s quite mediocre, so they will go low budgets and low pay actors and make profit instead of shooting for the moon, they missed their window and they know it.
He served the Emperor of Mankind now… might have to wait until Chaos is conquered.
@@Stickykobe420 sad to say but I think you're 100% correct. They're going to hire a bunch of low skilled unknown actors to play the roles of their life time, & if they fail, WB is dead.
Love your take on this 🙌🙌🙌
James Gunn's description of Superman and Supergirl was Goku and Vegeta, but for some reason he thought Vegeta was the main character
Batman is either Piccolo or Yamcha if it's the Pattinson version
The name "Legacy" really has me concerned. The Authority also has me concerned. I barely tolerate Damien in any form
Didn't they do an animated movie with The Authority? I seem to remember that and it not being all that bad.
Damien is the worst Robin ever.
And I started with Batman in the Jason Todd era.
@@guilherme5094 if you think Damien is a bad Robin. Read Batman and Robin with Dick Grayson as Batman. I think it's 2009 series. I'm not going to spoil it. But he goes from being the worst Robin due to his time with the League of Assassin's. To honestly, in all regards, being the coolest and quipy Robin of all time.
@@guilherme5094 i thought jason todd was the worst Robin thats why fans petitioned to kill him off. Y’all need to make up your minds already.
The worst Robin is Stephanie Brown.
The big "Huh?" thing for me is the 'Brave and the Bold' decision. There's a LOT of ground to cover as backstory. Wayne starting out as Batman, getting into conflict with Ras A'Gul, then having a fling with Talia and then time for Damien to become a teenager. That would make this Batman at least 35-40, far older than the 25ish Superman they were talking about.
I guess they're confident that their target audience is up to speed on all that or have seen some of the past movies like Batman Begins, Under The Red Hood, Son Of Batman, that kind of stuff
My biggest gripe with the idea, and I will never stop saying this:
No Dick Grayson, no Jason Todd, no Tim Drake. The Bat-Family is incomplete. I'm not saying you cannot do things differently, I'm saying at least ONE of the Robins needs to be in the mix before we get a Damien Wayne. And remember, people even blasted Snyder for reducing Jason Todd to a costume. Not even a flashback scene.
Again, this is WB. Expect this whole thing to be cancelled after one movie. OR maybe it all works out. But for now, this doesn't look like a great plan.
Superman is a kryptonian that ages slower. It would make perfect sense for him to look 25 when Batman is 40. Look at Dark Knight returns
@@youtubesucks1821 He doesn't look 25. He is 25.
@@AdamRhodes536 The actor they want to play him is around 25. I don't recall anything saying the actual character is 25
Truth, Justice, and the American way means different things to the SJW! Beware of their double speak.
If "Superman: Legacy" isn't a passing of the mantle in some way, I'll be absolutely shocked.
Yeh... Superwoman... You just know it all ready
@@ohkaythen93 SUPERPERSON!!! LOL
You're gonna be shocked
please--- i'm rather willing to bet money that they make the next superman either some petty beta male that will play second fiddle to some "strong woman" in his own movies. or they go full retard and make him secretly gay
fuck DC
@@tmapes1989 superthem
All you have to do is make a good movie and then build on that. It doesn't need to be woke, dark, multi layered or thinking about what comes next. Just make 1 single good movie that all we want.
what does that even mean
@@lucascash9945 With most movies lately they focus on thing like their message, setting up tons of sequels or a universe, having celebrates be the only advertisement, making it suit for everyone etc. People just want to watch a good standalone movie and nothing else.
I liked because of your impassioned speech at the end. I firmly stand by “hope for the best, plan for the worst”.
Although I have initially liked a lot of films (in general, not just ones based on comics), there are only a few films I rewatch because people seem too interested on the box office rating as opposed to any sort of legacy.
"Why not just wait and see?"
Because we did that for almost a decade and have been proven right to doubt more times than not
Gary, you've said it before and you were right then. Warner are a reactionary company who go whichever way the wind blows and change course on a whim. All the way back to the Keaton Batman's and even arguably the Reeve Superman's. This 'Gunn universe' is going to be the same. A film or two in, a failure or three under their belt, and I guarantee it'll all come crashing down. Warner have so many great characters and absolutely no idea what to do with any of them.
I think that part of their problem is the insistence on making everything connected. It is very limiting. Just make good movies about your great characters. If they happen to link up, fine. If they don't, who cares, as long as they are good movies.
@@christianellegaard7120 Everything Everywhere All at Once... They are just name-dumping instead of working on any cohesive common story. Hollywood today is just a bunch of ADHD pre-adolescents who wouldn't know a good story if it groomed them.
@@christianellegaard7120 exactly. Marvel actually did this really well before the first Avengers movie. They were feeding us little snippets at the end of the film that started creating ties between characters and ultimately to Avengers.
@@Crimea_River Yes, Marvel did it very well. But who said that the only way to succeed is to copy your rival?
Marvel has always been good at ensembles. Like the Avengers, Fantastic Four, and the Guardians. And that has translated well into their movies.
DC's strength, on the other hand, has always been their strong, individual, characters. Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman, in particular. Their ensemble, Justice League, has always been more of an afterthought. So they should recognise that and go with it, instead of trying to copy Marvel.
Not just Warner but DC themselves for the longest time have been reactionary to a lot of stuff Marvel does, to the point the comic book community feels like DC wants to "be" Marvel and copy their success, despite DC having their own strengths. So you have two reactionary companies really, both desperately wanting to parrot Marvel's success...they really need to get out of their own way if they are ever going to succeed. They could totally do a stellar justice league movie, but they need to start treating their heroes as stand-alone rather than jumping to mashing them all together onto a team. The first Wonder Woman movie succeeded because it was a stand-alone piece. Confidence and faith in their own characters need to happen or we're just going to be repeating the same failures all over again.
Yeah, this slate is so all over the place. The having older batman and dumping Cavill had me going WTF as well Gary my man!
We cut straight past Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, and Tim Drake to Damien Wayne Robin. So either we don't get them, or of we do they're already past their best arcs. So, Nightwing is already Nightwing before his Robin stint. Not good.
Also, I'm still waiting for Stephanie Brown. The Bat Family is incomplete with her. Chances are she'll be Batgirl already, before we see her as Robin.
No Oliver Queen.
No Justice Society.
No Martian Manhunter.
Your Superman movie is simultaneously a reboot intoto a younger Superman but also a story that tales place later in his life. (Look up the Superman : Legacy story) Your Batman story is already an aging Batman.
Your Supergirl movie looks like she's gonna replace Superman on his second day as Superman.
And your Wonder Woman story is a prequel altogether, the most you can expect a Diana Prince cameo.
Goodluck and goodbye.
@@valentinegonsalves7322 And we also probably aren't gonna see Barbara as Batgirl. Straight to Oracle. A live action Killing Joke would've been cool. They could even combine it with death in the family so Jason gets killed by joker after chasing him down for paralyzing Barbara. Kill 2 birds with one stone, then we can have Red Hood and Oracle
Great video man.
I Love your breakdowns !!!
Love Office Space that "we fixed the glitch" scene was spot on!!! 😂
I suspect Gunn's superman script, will just be a repurposed brightburn 2 script. And since Henry wanted a positive superman story, they did not hire him.
He said it is supposed to have a good a positive Superman in a cynical world that sees his traditional values and principles as outdated. Or something like that.
So even though they might entertain a 2nd act where he begins to question himself and his beliefs. Ultimately by act 3 the traditional Superman will prevail and begin to bring hope back to the world.
But I could be way off too. I guess we'll see what happens
Superman needs a positive movie.
Henry Cavill needs to stay Superman
I bet that the Superman soundtrack is filled with nostalgic tunes from the late 20th century. Yay!
@@arthurmyself7183 I agree completely. We have not had a positive superman story for 16 years now. Most potential viewers of the new movie, was not born, last time they had a positive story. They will only have the boyz to compare it too.
what part of "Man of Steel 2 with Henry Cavill" is so hard to understand?. Also... why jump directly into a recent Robin instead of starting with classic original Robin at least for a couple of films?.
this whole thing sounds like a mess.
Listening to you talk is so catharthic, it's almost better than venting myself. I tip my fedora to you.
Your editing is top notch, well done!
Hail Pierry Chan!
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@Creation Bros Zone
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Thx, Boomer.
Hail Perry and QBG~ great jobs as always.
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I posted this on the DC Universe video of James Gunn: Chapter 1 - Gods and Monsters | DC Studios | DC
Well, Besides the Authority looking good, I believe James Gunn has missed the mark on a few things. Going with a younger Superman after we had 10 seasons of Smallville... is not a good choice.
We already know the beginnings of Superman. Now was the perfect moment to get Superman (played by the Perfect actor, Henry Cavill) to get into new cosmic fights, fighting Evil/enemies on his scale of power or even outwitting stronger adversaries like Darkseid, etc... This could have been next the level of DC. compared to Marvel massive battles. But instead we are getting the cheap younger Woke version" of an unexperienced Superkid... What a major disappointment.
A Younger Superman version would fit with those teenager low budget tvshows disney drops every now and then... Its sad We won't see Superman in a Cosmic scale...
The different take to Supergirl, might be a good change on the story, her story and how she could evolve and work well in the DC Universe.
Just wait until they reveal it’s viola Davis… 😂😂
A Supergirl introspective balancing story line would be much more interesting, since she has a lot stronger connection to her Kryptonian heritage than Kal.
All they had to do was adapt the DC Animated Universe from the 90s for an easy pathway to success. I'm still baffled that no one at WB or DC has figured this out yet.
Being outside the bubble gives you much better perspective
The problem wasnt letting Cavill go, the problem was this not being a full reboot.
They are doing everything but the obvious. Establish their JL characters one by one and play them straight no deconstuction, no absurd changes to their core just well made cliche movies with those characters.
@@Raximus3000 they shouldve go Wonder Woman instead of Supergirl. I don´t know man, can´t see it, at least we have The Batman and The Penguin.
There are many MANY problems. They keep hiring members of the twitter mob too...
No, booting Henry Cavill is a PROBLEM.
It's both. We could have moved forward if it was a total reboot. But it not being so is a slap in the face
I agree completely with you, Gary. As much as I loved Guardians, I look at this production schedule with some trepidation. I know he's going for an 8-10 year plan with this, and good luck lasting that long in an often fickle industry that can cause a lot of burnout, but the thing that strikes me is that the diversity of concepts is like trying to raise a circus tent with only half the guy wires and (as the figurative and literal terms both apply here) none of the central tent poles. Is Gunn & Co. expecting to just have the preexisting Big Three films as their nod to those characters, effectively saying "We've already got plenty of stuff about them. It's time we focus on people you've never heard of and don't care about."? If so, this bodes ill.
Creature Commandos looks interesting, and I would LOVE any kind of really good (non-CW) Green Lantern story, finally. But Waller? Sam Jackson's a much better known star AND plays an awesome character, but they never rushed out a show/movie called Fury (though now I wish they had, pre-Endgame when they still had some grasp of how to make stuff that wasn't awful). I don't care about Waller, and while I think Viola Davis is a capable adult pretender she seems to be a moderately despicable person, which means I've less than zero reason to watch the show. Frankly, I'd be much more interested in a Morgan Freeman led vehicle about the life of Easy Reader, for those people my age (i.e. old) who remember that character from The Electric Company.
25 year old superman this sounds like were going back to the smallville story
I just love Gary 😂 his humor and sarcasm 🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭
That description of Superman fits PERFECTLY for the Superman that Cavill was portraying at the end of ZSJL. It also fits for Tyler Hoechlin's version of the Superman & Lois TV show. I like Cavill better but both are great. And also the Batman/Damian Wayne robin fits perfectly for Batfleck, given his age and the story of that version of Batman.
Hence, getting rid of Cavill is dumb decision. They can have him marry Lois and at the end of the movie having Jon as the baby. The next movie Jon can meet Damian like in the books.
cavil worst superman in live action who had no character or actual personalities
@@godinacape just cuz Cavil was a great actor doesn't mean the studio wrote a good Superman or Lois
@@herloss448 Cavil? You mean you right?
I’d have to agree, DC/WB made a huge mistake with Cavil. It’s not something they’ve probably taking lying down either with the fandom. Considering the big reveal in Black Adam it makes no sense whatsoever. But the “contemporary” issue that was mentioned, really needs a good answer. Gunn’s DCU gives me a bad feeling.
Disney needs to approach Henry Cavill and ask him to play Hyperion
Any dumb company when they lie: “we fixed the glitch” 😂
*"HOW MANY TIMES DO THEY HAVE TO REWRITE YOUR STORY?!"* - Goku to Superman in Epic Rap Battles of History
"Why not wait and see?" Because distrust but verify. No more goodwill for you Hollywood.
Yeah a lot of people in this common section are on that why not wait to see it Waze it’s like they’re completely brainwashed by the don’t judge a book by its cover type energy when we’ve had multiple years of bad superhero bullshit already
im so sick of jaded or deconstructed or disenchanted heroes. I like that premise of a superman movie where he is kind in a world where kindness is considered lame bc i WANT heroes doing heroic things, not deconstructed antiheroes who get dragged into doing good things, but ones who seek out doing good
Technically, Ang Lee’s Hulk is an example of deconstructed heroes back in 2003.
8:39 - 8:57
Heh, so much for "Legacy." Now it's just Superman.
If they are doing Elseworlds then why did they fire Cavil?
i love how he said he was going to show a definitive Batman showing a cover where Dick Grayson was Batman.
Thanks Gary. I appreciate your effort to present some positive obseravtions about the DC reboot. Sadly, I believe the vast majority of the plans laid out by Gunn are D.O.A. The bait and switch will almost certainly be employed, for instance. Keeping Ezra Miller on the books is a ludicrous decision.
I agree with you 💯. Your channel is an inspiration to true fans and hope for the movie goers who don't have a clue what the real characters are like. The pass up the best proven stories to give us bullshit they hope to make great. Great job and pointing 👉 out what's not common.
“Wait and see” is definitely something invented by an executive of the entertainment industry. An industry that ask for payment upfront and offers no refunds. Yeah I think I’m going to see who’s involved and speculate the quality before a shell out money.
Warner Bros will eventually realize that they made a huge blunder by letting Cavill go because he is not just a great actor to play Superman but he is born to play the role of Superman.
wait for tom holland ...
They won't. Cope harder.
5:12 nearly spat out my drink at that joke, LOL!
Let's see how this plays out..
Why can't a Henry cavil superman movie be an Elseworld story? His firing makes zero sense at all
I have zero faith in Gunn being able to pull this off - peter principal happening again, along with nobody around him to call him out on lousy planning and marketing. And like other universes, once you start missing dates and canceling films, more folks lose faith in the properties. And Gary, I am willing to be wrong and hope he makes some faithful movies -
Why? Gunn is a creative genius who has the track record to make DC work as a contued universe. You saw what he did to The Suicide Squad. It was a huge critical success and then Peacemaker was arguibly even better and nobody knew that character before Gunn.
If anyone can turn these characters/projects into household names it's Gunn.
Nobody else.
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 He's a creepy pervert that should be kept far away from making movies for children.
@@DankReaper420 Those are rumours.
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 There are literally pictures of him hosting a "pedophile" themed party with James dressed as a catholic priest. He is friends with a convicted pedophile who also works in hollywood. He showed everyone his true character through the numerus tweets he deleted joking about raping women and little children. Too many red flags for someone in hollywood.
@HerbalReaper Lol that's bullshit.
Prince Harry went to a party dressed as a fucking Nazi. But that doesn't mean he is one.
It was obviously meant as a bit of a joke that got taken the wrong way and Gunn is absolutely not friends with any paedophile.
Your claims are laughable.
Miller and Herd....nope.
Mind blowing to let go of Caville but keep Miller...
Warner made their bed with AH. That doesn't usually end well for the bed 🤣
I think they need to draw back to three to five movies and shows, and they need to establish the main characters that general audiences will recognize first.
I don't know why DC even bothers with shared universes at this point. Why are we still beholden to the Marvel model? Flip it on its head. Stick to trilogies. The animated universe is hardly consistent in its "shared continuity" but decades later its still loved and holds up better than any of the postmodern trash.
I totally agree, break away from the pack! If I wanted a million projects that I can’t keep track of (and don’t really understand) I’d go to Marvel. DC used to be something different and I miss that 😢
they should concentrate entirely on getting one good movie out because that has proved extremely difficult for this studio across the last decade and more.