Will they Run? Straight-8 Showdown! Packard vs Buick, Part 4...
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- Опубликовано: 30 авг 2019
- Hi! As promised, it's time for Straight-8 Showdown! In Part Four we'll start turning things around with full valve and seat grinds for each engine. These are dinosaurs from the age of the extinction of the in-line 8 cylinder configuration; both the Packard and Buick types would be gone by 1955, so I thought we should see if they could be made to run again...
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Ok! Time for Part 4 of the Buick / Packard Straight-8-Showdown! Sorry this is a bit late; the video somehow took almost 12 hours to upload! This week we'll start turning things around as we get the valves and seats of each engine back into shape with some classic tools to help us along...The Packard's starter also gets some attention this week, and we'll spin it up to see how it goes! We're really having fun now, and things are looking up for both of these old engines...
I was a little nervous about doing this series, as I really have no idea if either car can ever be made to run again. They have been sitting in fields for 50 years or so, and both engines are seized up, so there will definitely be some luck involved, and likely a little penetrating oil, haha! Agent 303 is the Captain of the Packard Team, and the twin Agents 7678 and 0826 of the Center For Cultural Enrichment are Co-Captaining the Buick Team. Agent 900 and I are on both teams, to keep it fair...
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Riding high, but not too wide,
It all works fine once you're inside.
Retard the spark, advance the gas...
Do it wrong, you're on your ass.
Hear that sweet old motor purr.
It ain't so fast but goddamn sure.
When Henry brought this ride to birth
He damn well put the wheels to earth.
The Unknown Poet Formerly Known As The Unknown Poet, Junkyard Poet Laureate
Editor's note: The Goddamn Poet sez he can't hardly fit inside that T Model. I sez bullshit. The little rat bastard don't have no goddamn trouble crawling inside my best bottle of single malt. And who do I thank for appointing him "Junkyard Poet Laureate"? Just when I thought he couldn't get any goddamn more insufferable.
Coldwar motors: Question, being these engines are that old do you run a lead additive to compensate for not having "LEADED FUEL" anymore? I'd think so since because of not having hardened valve seats. Anyway nice build and have a gr8 God blessed day.
I've been waiting.
Scott-I get charged extra for Line Speed Enhancement and now your upload is faster than mine? I'm getting robbed.
You too
@@paulkirkland1535 They won't be running long enough to worry about that.
I live in Sioux City IA and had 2 great uncles and my grandfather worked at Sioux tools
The rust disappears in a cloud of sweat and cutting oil, the roar of fan's excitement, the pop of opened beers, it's all here! ;]
Having worked on straight 8's ,,50+ years ago, this is great memory lane for me ! Today, I am plagued with MS and confined to a wheelchair. You guys are doing more good than you know by posting this ! I worked on the last of the Buick straight 8's in the late 1960's and early 70's. Our older neighbors and my dad's friends kept some of their old cars and were glad to have me keep them running for them. To this day , I still enjoy seeing a 25 to 35 year old car that is still on the road and being used.
It's so nice to see you're doing this properly, not just gushing gas down the carburetor and spinning the starter over. I love watching it, wish I could join you pulling all-nighters tinkering. Wonderful!
'oil stains in the three spots you always park in at the office' is a spot on the car nut bingo sheet
Best of Canadian humour,I don’t know about other parts of the world but this is Canadian ,sarcasm, irony and friendly fun,love it !!!
Tip on the valve grinder that goes too fast: Any corded tool/AC motor (except synchronous motors) can have its speed controlled with a device called variac. A variac controls the AC input voltage to another device.
I once couldn't get a new relay for my car (needed it to turn the high beams off) so I opened the relay, drilled out the rivet that holds the coil, tediously unwound the coil by hand (the open was near the core of the winding), then not wanting to spend 4 hours rewinding it by hand I chucked the coil-form's core into the corded drill...I plugged the drill into my variac and turned up the voltage to the drill till it was moving just fast enough that I didn't lose good control of the winding process. I reassembled the relay (used a big solder blob to replace the drilled off end of the core rivet), installed it and almost 5 years later it is still working good (knock on wood).
I'm on the edge of my frickin' seat over here! Not another week before I find out how it all unfolds, my head will explode! I have not so fond memories of indentured servitude in my old man's small engine shop, grinding away at Briggs and Stratton and Tecumseh valves, spitting on the suction cup, and using a hand cranked jobby that went "pocketa-pocketa-pocketa." This looks way more fun.
As a boy, when I saw the Sioux Tool factory I knew we were almost to Grandma and Grandpa’s house! I think I always secretly wondered why Grandpa did not work there. He was a very fine blacksmith and a perfectionist. His last car was a ‘49 Packard with the straight 8. Massive torque! I know he knew about automotive maintenance and repair, too.
Great job on the valve seats on the Packard. Then it was "clean by Dean." Scott has all the great old time valve tools and he's a great QC checker. Frankers just likes to have fun. The pickup looks very nice for 28 years of use.
Love the running banter . The little quips lmao
Thank God, an update. Am I the only one who thinks there should be no loser and both be made to run?
I'd like to see the teams unite to get the losing car to make the round trip too.
An excellent idea. Further to that, after all the effort to make them run and drive, however briefly, it would be a shame to see them returned to their spots never to be worked on again. How about making them full fledged runners? A lot to ask, i know!
It is quite obvious that everyone involved is a loser to a greater or lesser extent.
SIXPACFISH - possibly so, but they’re getting a lot done, dontchathink ‼️🤡🎯
@@Ricamundo An awesome idea guy Scott's done this on other earlier drag ins like the biscayne got another engine and a bit of "tidying" in and out and became a daily for a bit and it may seem a lot but I think most of them should get into the will it run shows. It was also interesting to see how the actual work on cars was done before engines and cars became disposable, only saved by someone who enjoyed them enough to keep them kept up.
Don't forget to flush out the water distribution tube in the Packard. It is in the water jacket in the block. The water from the radiator runs through this first to cool the valve seats. Probably mucked up.
Didn't know that. Thanks
This is a really great masterclass episode. I have learnt so much about some things should be done can be done and why some of my efforts were of limited success. Lapping valve and seat grinding. Am so going to find that valve grinding setup. Many thanks. And Packards definitely really well made. That should be a sweet ride run like a locomotive. Now back to the Atlantic...
GREAT Video! Haven't seen that valve equipment in 55 yrs. that's when I used it last. Maybe you Edumacated someone!
Amazing 1 hour of Fun!! Much Love and Whoops from the UK - I have a treat to drink my coffee with tomorrow before I head to the Market!! Throw Frankers a stick for me and then Hugs!
Hi Scott , watching you Agents working on these Cars is very enjoyable . it puts a smile on my face and I have not laughed this much in awhile . I Thank all of you for making life exciting for me and for all the people who do not reply . seeing Francine enjoying herself is a treat in itself ! . Ray in Pa U.S.A.
That old Packard motor is probably a high nickel or chrome alloy cast iron, which is why it was so easy to clean off the rust in the ports, etc.
By the 70s Detroit was lowering their nickel and/or chrome content in their castings, which manifested it easily rusted coolant passages. Once they rusted, it was hard to clear them, even with a hot tanking.
Go, Packard!
Being an old Packard man I must say that it warms the cockles of my heart that you're working on it, whatever the reason. The valve seat machine that many years ago you glommed onto is stupendous! I would venture to say that more than half of the current "tech" wouldn't even know what it is. I mean no one rebuilds engines while the blocks are still in the car anymore.
That old Sioux is the best there is. It takes skill to use it right.
Nice to see you've got your Captain's stripes on your sleeves!
"Take only memories." And a few parts that you might need.
"Leave only footprints." And a couple of running straight eights!
Another great episode! Thank you!
The tension and the torque are rising! I don't care who wins, in the end we all win. Great series guys.
There's GOLD in them there starter motors!!
Enjoyed seeing the valve job. Another example of what's possible with a little know how and the right tools.
Digging the old Sioux City valve tools. Yet another excellent episode. Kudos to Scott, all the agents, and the curly haired camera ham.
I can hardly wait for each episode, I am learning so much ! My dad used to tell of cars in his era needing 'valve grind jobs' about every 40,000 miles or so !
Great job saving valves and seats with some great American tools, looking forward to seeing them both running in there glory
Nicely done. Love the 'old school' tools, but not as much as the distributor machine. That is so awesome. Thanks for sharing. Who says you have to be in a clean room to build an engine, lol.
Getting the alert for a str8 8 show always makes my day!
I love how this started with a ‘hey just make it run, & fuck their condition’, and now you’re putting more work into refurbing them than I do before putting them on the road.
That valve grinder and seat grinder were made when men actually fixed things instead of just being parts changers. Sadly we live in a disposable world and it brings a tear of joy to my eye when I see things like this and someone actually repairing something not just bolting on new parts🤗🤗🤗😭😭😭😁😁😁
Part of that came about because back in 1953 parts were expensive and labor was cheap (realitively speaking) so it made sense to rebuild .
Now parts are cheap and labor isn't so it makes sense to remove and replace rather than to fix. And modern cars aren't designed like the 53 Packard Packard to be rebuilt.
I love the way you guys say "aye" just like us aussies.......... you drink beer the same way as well aye!... Lovin' the challenge and the old school ingenuity. Keep it up fellas. Dyin' to see who makes it up the driveway first.
Ohh that's hot, hearing that "POP" sound, block is sooo clean..
I don't know what's cooler, the cars or the antique equipment to do stuff nobody does anymore (grinding valves, spinning up distributors, etc.) Cool stuff
Motherboard box as valve holder while working on classic straight eight... you guys wrote my life!
Just mesmerizing to watch, especially for those of us who will never have access to the necessary tools. I just think that Packard needs to be saved.
Great to see the oldschool engine building skills coming into play ..
Love the dodge truck...
That is really sweet
Could hardly wait to see the next episode, you guys are awesome and thanks for sharing, I really enjoy watching the straight 8 showdown 😁"Howdy from Texas "!!
Wow the Packard is REALLY cleaning up nice with that valve job. If that transmission won't pull i'm going to be heartbroken.
With a fresh change of ATF in both the tranny and the locking torque converter, the Ultramatic should be ready to go, if only in low range. Ultramatics generally worked fine with in-line 8's, but were problematic with the 1955-56 V8s. Last I knew, neoprene oil pan gaskets were still available for the Ultramatic.
Canadian style 16V all the way with tactile sense assembling, with mozzie coils, with serious high viz sleeve-tape to keep the wrist side from gettin' all tangled, with fancy fifties machinery-stuff not only sitt'n around but actually working great, with ohv-banter galore and even with the occasional SM in the background - Thanks for the ride.
Scott, I like it when someone says "It's good enough" and you continue the work to make it perfect! That's the way it should be.
Yes, another straight 8 showdown episode. You guys always seem to have a good time and that's what it's all about. Love seeing frankers run around with her stick, she looks like she is having fun.
Til next time Scott and agents.
Peace out. 😎
This is like watching those ancient archaeological digs you see on TV - but this is all things automotive - most enjoyable.
4:53 "Heading to the center for cultural enrichment". Very good!!! Meticulous job on the engine cleanings! I can't believe how nice they came out, except for the one piston. Aaaaaaamazing!
"Always go with the grain of the head"
I see that branch manager Frankers is still on the job. I lust after your model T. I look forward to the continuing saga of the straight eights.
Loving the rebuilds of the Straight 8’s and the shirts are cool too.
Lol...always a treat to watch someone lap valves for the first time! I love that sound and feel when they seat.
havent seen any one hand lap valves since ``1975
@@super20dan I did some last year on a MGB....same thing with the rubber cup, the tools were so old that some were cracked or just wouldn't seal.
The straight eight showdown was and still is the best rebuild series on RUclips. Rebuilds on a budget, reminds me of my days as a kid. Dad lapping valves and seating, pistons and rings that were cross hatched with emery paper and kero around the piston then slipping it up and d own the bore. No machine shop! My dad had a family and drinking habit to support afterall! 😂😂
OMG...I want to move next door to you guys. This reminds me of the 70s summer days under the hood with my brothers. Gods Speed to the cars...all the way to the end of the driveway.
That Frankers is the best. I love her playing with the big stick♥️
Good to see the gang of agents at work.
Thank you so much. I really enjoy these videos.
When will we get to see them get running?
Damn cleaning it all up love the valve job and the classic tools I can't wait till one of them fire up it's going to be awesome!!
Thank you guys, this is easily the best series on YT
Sure is. Piss on the LS swaps and all them bullshit "giveaways"
Hear, hear!!
I didn't want it to end. Damn, now I have to wait another week. So informative for me, one who literally knows nothing about the inner workings. Thanks!
That Packard engine is just pure quality. I love that they took the time to cast the Packard name into the valves. That’s a company that cared about the vehicles they made. I hope you guys get both running and driving. The Buick is pretty cool too.
There is just too much cool old shit on this channel. Thank you for your very eclectic hoarding.
A sturdy machine to refit valves. The old are - just - the best. Simple and straight forward.
Best shower hands down on you tube, second is nicks garage, but you guys rock, want to see more of the 60 and 61 Plymouth’s you do such Great work
Was so excited to see another video, now I can carry on my day knowing there is some sort of sanity left in this world! :)
Paul, you’re not the only one waiting with baited breath. Just remember, these guys have 50/50 antifreeze mix for blood in their veins (what hasn’t been displaced by excessive beer intake, that is). These engines were known for their smooth performance. I still wish I had bought that ‘51 Packard in Ottawa, Illinois.
As usual, a great job resurrecting old iron!
The Buick team is articulated, knowledgeable, efficient and humble... great video! Go Buick team!
I hope this series never ends, this is some damn good youtubin'.
I love that the valve grinder tool was made from where I lived and graduated high school from. Long time subscriber loving this series. Keep up the great fun of this channel! Stay safe and bless you guys.
Yes! So excited to see a new video!! Makes my Saturday! Thanks Scott!!
That was great! Now I know something about engine valves, both in the block and in the head. This is very educational- Auto Shop for Grownups with Legalized Pot!
Super Het
It's nice to see someone doing this for many like yourself who have never seen it done. I used to do that all the time but it's been many years for me.
Hi guys. Man Frankers sure loves them sticks.And looks at home in the he dodge, good girl she is! Wow, eights are taking quite a bit of work. Sat too long. But they will run again.Reminds viewers dont let your car or truck set fir 50 years! The auto shop in high school had the same Souix valve +seat grinding machines. Ive rebuilt lots of heads, including replacing guides and seats. But never on a straight eight. Im anxious to hear them run. On overhead valve heads i use a cordless drill to lap the valves in. Instead of the suction cup hand tool. Chuck the valve stem into the drill from the back side. I really enjoy the old school mechanic stuff. Ive done a ton of it. It takes patience, time, knowledge, and talent to do quality long lasting permanent repairs. On a budget. Zero budget. Awsome. I like old OEM parts better than han new reproduction stuff. There usually better. Excellent show. Nobody does this stuff anymore. Take it to the machine shop or buy a new head. Thats why the revvedupyooper loves this SAME OLD SHIT!!
This Channel is Freaking Awesome Guys !! LOL, You Crack Me Up n Teach Me Things at The Same Time. That Valve / Head Grinding Tool Literally Came My Place of Birth Back in 1953, I Almost Fell Outta My Chair When I Heard That, Sioux City Iowa .My Parents Moved to Los Angeles, California When I Was 2 1/2 yrs Old. I'm in Denver, Colorado Now, Retired, Kikin Back n Watching Your Channel,, Keep Up The Fun Boys, I Really Enjoy it God Bless All !!
Dean reminds me of the newspaper writer from Slap Shot.. "I just tried to capture the spirit of the thing" 😅 This channel is incredible 👍
Nice job, get them running, anxious to see the trany's reaction when you suddenly wake them up.
There's nothing angrier than a trany that's just been woken up
@@diaspo lol
"wha-?RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!"
-the automatic in the Packard, probably
Marietta Corsini Yes and yes .
This is SO interesting....I mean I've seen exhaust manifolds and cylinders and heads and such but this is just a full blown break down! And that grinder was just amazing! Looking forward to part 5!
Scott’s lot is what id assume a sketchy used car lot in the 60s would look like
Your comment reminded me of a sketchy used car dealer in Calgary named Farmer Jonez used cars, circa 1960s
An old gold miner's car! Hahaha!
Only CWM could make grinding/lapping valves and seats such compelling viewing!
Very therapeutic, the machines and tools are marvellous.
Many thanks again to you, the agents and Francine.
I had a 91 D150 LE that had thirty K when I bought it and two years old. Drove it for nineteen years with a hundred and thirty miles on it. I sold it because the rust dropping off the body and was staining the driveway.
The ASUS motherboard box for valves... As a computer guy that likes to fix cars, I love it!
now THIS is a nice sat night! great flower, water like you read about and STRAIGHT 8 SHOOOOOWDOWN!
This series also puts my so-called feat of driving a '52 Ford V8 out of a field that had been sitting "forever" in clearer perspective. It had been sitting for what, at the time, was my entire lifetime, 15 years, not 50. I didn't have to do much other than free it up (didn't have to build a hydraulic piston crusher), plunk the wrong sized tires on it, make a set of cardboard carb gaskets, balance a lawn mower tank on the hood, battery, points, rotor, plugs, and go. 50 years of sitting does some pretty epic damage!
Ha, unlimited shop rags available to Team Packard and only one for all on the Buick assembly line 🤷 I see how it is.
Lovein' it all, keep after it, everyone wins, great stuffs!
Nice job snipping those valves into the Packard.
My Labour Day long weekend is now complete with a new CWM video. Cheers to the fellas from Ontario.
Tell us more about that ol' Datsun 1600/2000 roadster. I haven't seen one in years since working on my uncle's '69 2000 more than 30 years ago.
Just arrived home after two weeks off and what do y get ?? fresh from cold war motors a new episode of the packard vs buick challenge !!! what a treat !! good stuff as allways..
Props to you guys for working on these things in the dark and on the back of a tailgate. I would of lost have the dang parts already.
28:58 "this is like the army putting your gun together" * this is my starter there are many others like it but this one is mine.
@@MaxGiganteum "TONIGHT... YOU WILL SLEEP WITH YOUR STARTER.... YOU WILL LEARN TO LOVE IT.... BECAUSE THIS IS THE ONLY PUSSY YOU WILL GET... FROM NOW ON..."
Really enjoyed the valvetrain assembly portion of the show there gary....dogh!!!
Shout out from Iowa!!
This has become the most interesting and entertaining channel on RUclips. Job well done, Scott.
Haven't even watched it yet, but have been waiting with anticipation ever since the end of 'Part 3'!
I have loved this series, the attention to detail, awesome tools used, it has been so cool to see the effort put in from each team and I cannot wait to see BOTH these dinosaurs cruising down the driveway. All the best!
Wow check point charley danger man shit great stuff when was the last time you heard some growler activity the back how it was done thank you for bringing it back enjoying it
Cool old tools to get the job done. FYI. Agents, You assemble your( Weapon ) in the military if it were your gun you would only have to zip and unzip your fly !! lol.
Love the big battle that is going on now !!!!!
That dog loves that stick LOL
37:19 “ take only memories, leave only footsteps “ I gotta remember that one
223 is always on it
Love your vids from California
I like the base Dodge, I have a 99 5-speed Cavalier coupe, solid white, base as base can be, an ex state of Texas Department of Defense vehicle.
Great head and valve work, reminds me of the days I spent down at the Junk Yard watching the owner doing valve jobs. Great Project.
I love that you are using a motherboard box as a valve holder.
Loving this series, and the cast of agents. Now, Dean is in a class all by himself, but I gotta tell ya, the agent with the CAT hat, well sir, he looks as though he stepped out of 1971. So cool. That Albertson grinding kit is a nice piece. Great tools, great work and priceless banter! Alright, waiting begins for the next installment. As always, thanks fer takin us along....
Please do another series. Love it. Maybe flat head fords or some older v8s anything old school.
had a 79 powerwagon 4x4 full time 410 gear looked close that body ran a long time great show ,thanks
Getting so excited, as we head for home stretch. fondly remember that valve machine, from high school autoshop, circa 1980. I truly need that Dodge truck in my driveway. Good job guys!!
JT
Orlando, Floriduh