I’m 52 and just bought the Z900. I’m not into doing power wheelies or being a hooligan. Those days are past. The Z is smooth, and has a very comfy riding position. He’s right about sitting in the bike instead of on. Build quality is excellent and well thought out. Handles well and the throttle brings on the torque like a wave. I love it.
@@itstherealjammin I think that would be a great change, and you need to go sit on it (test ride if you can) and be sure it fits you. I can't hustle the bike super fast in the twisties like on a lighter bike, but I don't make the public roads my track.
Bought the MT09 few years ago after test riding Triumph trident and Kawasaki Z900 That cross plane triple on yamaha feels alive and have one of the best sound I ever heard from a motorcycle(with a decent exhaust) When riding in A mode with TCS off the bike feels like a bull on steroids but once changed to standard and TCS on the acceleration is very smooth and linear with a lot of torque in low RPM. MT09 is a motard disguised in a naked
Great Review . I tried to get an MT09 last spring/ summer. Most dealers just laughed at me those that would even get back with me that is . Ended up getting a 2022 Z900. Great bike
I own a 2020 Z900. I like your comparison here as out of the naked bike segment, these seem to be the two most compared bikes that I see online. I bought the Z900 after doing an exhaustive amount of research. I came to the conclusion that the Kawasaki seemed to be one of the best values for power, tech, and handling at least at my time of purchase. I did purchase my bike at the very start of Covid so I got a killer deal on a brand new machine. My price was actually way under msrp. This is my first real sport type motorcycle, although I've been riding for over 25 years on the street. I have been over the moon about this bike since day one! I can attest to the sound of this bike with a full CS Racing exhaust system. It sounds amazing!
I own an FZ-09. I bought new in 2017. Love it.... Comfortable for longer rides but a hooligan when you want it to be. Nothing sounds better than the CP3 cross plane triple motor... I'm a Kawi guy at heart though also...I own a 2005 ZRX1200R that I bought new in '05 and it's a beast with the mods I put on it. Full titanium Akrapovic exhaust, K&N filter, Borg Warner Race clutch, 4 degree ignition advancer, Factory Pro Jet Kit, 3 teeth up in the rear sprocket, and many Dyno runs to dial it in... It 1/4 mile at 10.6 seconds on the stock swing arm...Naked bikes rule!!! I also owned a Kawaski ZX11 and a 1970 KZ1000A that I fully restored... Great video and channel.
Just picked up a 2023 Z900. I have to say I personally like how the Z looks compared to the MT which was one of my main factors when purchasing, but I can't deny the MT is a great motorcycle.
@FlaxOFF Mostly cosmetic for now. Planning to get an ECU flash/tune next year after the warranty expires. Current list of stuff: SC Project CRT slip on Moto Dynamic fender eliminator TST integrated tail light TST Mech GTR front signals Tech Spec tank grips Bar end mirrors w/ Rhino moto bar ends Trying to decide what frame sliders and or engine cases to get for protection and have a Quad Lock mount on the way.
@@johnlewis5731 The newer model Zs have decent tech imo. The MT is superior, but the new Zs have power modes and traction control which is all I really wanted in a bike. Either one is a killer choice for the streets though.
The difference for me might come down to price, especially on the used market. I love my FZ-07, but people are really out here wanting MSRP for their 4 year old MT-09 with 15k on it. I’m about to give in and finally buy my first new vehicle, but the used Z900s around me aren’t priced nearly as crazy. Even just considering grabbing a new GSXS-1000 for a grand more and calling it a day.
I shopped both and ended up with the FJ 09! It's got that same 849 triple feels super sporty but as a commuter and occasional long hauler, it is so much better than either.
Both bikes are awesome. I am a taller person and I went with the mt09. It felt more comfortable for some reason, I’ve owned mine for over two years now and it’s been an awesome bike.
2018 MT-09, smog deletion, Akropovic full exhaust, DNA air filter and custom ECU tune 120 at the rear with 75 ft. lbs and it's an absolute beast. I like it because it is raw and angry, but it's predictable once you get to know it.
Thanks for that good comparison. I'm 49, live in the Philippines (where riding is way slower, more dangerous and exciting) and just bought an old crazy 2016 MT09. SO much fun but that uneven power curve was a steep learning curve in Manila rush hours traffic! Used to ride FZ1s in Australia so really appreciating the smaller size and lower weight.
I got a 2022 Z900 a year ago and it’s a literal thrill, I was torn between the two but I’m very happy with my choice but would recommend a MT-09 as well🤙🏼
I have to say, you're probably one of the best bike reviewers on youtube. Clear voice, not a smart ass and fair in your assessments. Have a '22 Z900 and 900RS. These are torquey 4 bangers. They can take off in 4th gear easily. Made the mistake on a quick red light and didn't have time to downshift. Thought I'd try it. Don't need all the tech. Had a '20 MT09, prefer the Z's. Smooooth.....
Owned a '17 Z900. Have an 18' MT-09. Experience on both is stock condition, stock tune. They are quite different but they both have very desirable traits. The Z is so much more stable, confidence inspiring, feels like you could do everything 20 mph faster than the Yamaha. You know what the wheels are doing and how much traction you have, and that's on stock crappy tires. The engine is SO BUTTER SMOOTH, but not to say mellow or dull. It has a lot of torque, tuned in a way that a lot of inline-4 engines are not tuned these days, but the throttle is telepathic to drive thrust. Always there, always responding to input, always giving you exactly what you ask for. The MT before the latest redesign, is a mess. If it had a boring engine, NO ONE WOULD EVER BUY IT FOR ANY OTHER REASON. The engine is exciting enough to make people utterly blind to all the other issues it has. I know, I own one. But over time when you get to using a machine and rationale kicks in, you start to grow more and more frustrated with issues. It's an over-achiever in its displacement. It makes a lot of power for an 847cc. But here comes the woes: suspension is terrible (spring rates, lack of damping, chatter, headshake), chassis is overwhelmed by the engine and can't put the power down or control bike oscillations at higher speeds. Switchgear is some of the absolute worst I've ever fiddled with on any motorcycle, super flimsy, lacking tactility, button placement is ridiculous. Instrument display was designed by a kid high on sugar, all the wrong shape, too small, and information updates too slowly and inaccurately. Riding position is a little strange. Throttle tube is sloppy, slick, lacks any natural friction with the bar, resistance is a unnatural feeling spring due to lack of cables, coupled with a messy TBW calibration and your entire right arm will cramp after an hour trying to control the engine and make things smooth. Upper body is comfortable but the position of the feet relative to the butt is low and rearward. Strange. It was designed by Yamaha as a "Roadster motard" (exact words by product manager, Shun Miyazawa), and the chassis, long suspension, and ergonomics reflect that sort of ethos. Wouldn't be so bad if the suspension and chassis was up to coping with the powertrain, rider weight, and road surface at speed. It's been universally complained about from day 1. 3rd Gen MT-09 couldn't be more of a contrast to the old one. Kept the engine character and power, bumped midrange torque a little, and basically redesigned the entire chassis, suspension, and geometry. It's still more of a sit-up-and-beg position compared to the sit-in-and-attack of the Z. In summary, I miss the Z900 and it's butter engine, mile wide rev band, super confident chassis. I literally do similar road sections at 25 mph less on the MT-09 than I did on the Z900 and I feel like I'm "risking it" even then. The confidence between the two is VERY different. Not to say that either bike is perfect. As a long term unit, I'd be throwing thousands into the tuning, suspension, brakes, tires, and other bits. I just can't see myself doing that on the '18 MT-09. It's just got a too-big laundry list of personal complaints that I have grown to become intolerant of over time, spending enough time on a bike to figure these things out (something not many people do these days, judging by the mileage on similar used bikes for sale). If I had my personal wishes, I'd go with a Z900RS Cafe if Kawasaki hadn't messed with the power and transmission from the Z900, but they neutered it. Also considering a 2018 GSX-S1000 or the newer 2022 GSX-S1000. Also the new XSR900 with cruise control, I think it looks much better than the MT-09 and has more of an attack position like a traditional sports bike, rather than the goofy puppy-begging position of the MT. If the 890 Duke R wasn't questionable about long term reliability, that bike is about as buttoned down, sharp, light, and raucous as anything that's ever had two wheels. Lots to choose from on the market.
@@yonniboy1 After living with the fat torque of the MT-09, I don't think I would care for 82cc less, or in the case of the new MT, 125cc less. I've read the Triumph triple is a little more vibration than the MT, which I believe to be just tolerable.
Got a 21 890R with 13k miles of loving it. It’s made the other bikes in the shop collect dust. Top shelf everything, better components than either of these.. KTM got it together, but people compare everything to the pre 2017 bikes, which got a bad rap as well. Do yourself a favor, get the KTM.
The MT07/09 both sound better with or without a pipe. I bought a 2017 Z900 (without ABS) and for me, it was the ergonomics and that wonderful linear power response that were the primary attractions. I'm a short dude so the Kawasaki lends itself to those of us of shorter stature. Personally, I didn't want any of the technology. If I had my druthers I'd have analog gauges and the only electronics I like is the fuel injection.
Love the Z900, but the riding position was too aggressive for me. At 6’2” the pegs were too high and back. Went with a 2023 MT 09 SP which has a much more straight up riding position. Not sure if there is much difference in handling between a 2019 MT and 2023. The bike has way more performance potential I’ll ever get out of it. Both bikes look great!!
Was debating between the mt 09 and z900 and after lots of reviews I went with the z900 because I felt it was the more beginner friendly of the 2. I definitely don't recommend it for a complete beginner, I have 10+ years with dirt bikes but only rode a few street bikes. I expected to get a R6 or ninja but the Z900 and mt-09 caught my eye hard. I went with the Z900 because of the linear power and better stability. It's still a monster but she gives you exactly what you ask vs the mt 09 being a beast unleashed. Definitely has a lot of torque in 1st and 2nd gear and can disappear in 6th
@@nevanhopkins You can limit it to 35kw and put it in rain mode. Or just ride in rain mode for some time till you get ajdjusted. Personally Id look for a 650cc bike for beginners, like MT07 or SV650. That V2 engine pulls at all rpms but isnt too wild. You literally dont need anything else for first few years. + something like SV is much cheaper to maintain and you wont go bankrupt if you slide or crash or something I rode SV650 for 2 years and Im getting a Z900 now.
15:00 The breaking from letting go of the throttle is customizable at some bikes. If you go to a dealer or tuner with a DynoJet they can turn the "spraying fuel thing" on. So it wont break your back when you let go off the throttle
I've had the 1st gen MT09, I loved it, apart from the suspension which is crap and in the city it wasn't as pleasant to ride due to the on/off throttle. I now own the 2017 Z900 and I love it more, the suspension is just fine and the elasticity of the engine makes it really really friendly as much in town as out of it. Great bikes both of them!
@@mn_mt0964 try adjusting your accelerator position sensor (I know what your thinking, no not at the cable.. its under the tank!.. and transforms the bike! fyi: i got my diags 14 to read 12-97, diags 15 to read 10-95.. im NOT doing the ecu flash now... (gen 1 09)
I think a selling point of the z900 over the 09 is the predictably and linear power curve. 09 just comes on so much harder and has the grunt of a freight train, that’s what sold me on the 09 over the z900. You can definitely play with riding position on the 09 as well raise the forks 10-12mm, get some cheap puig adjustable foot pegs to raise your feet 20mm, and a flatter bar or clip ons and you got one hell of a riding position. Did that with mine and take it to the track 🤙 would like to get a z900 on the track as well seems like a fun track bike
Why would you raise the forks? I assume you mean lower the triple tree? The triple tree has already been lowered by 30mm over the previous generation which gives it substantially better handling but also caused it to have a wider turning circle.
I had a 22 MT09SP and at 53 here at the start of March, I love hooning around on it. The antiflip wheelie control is awesome and the torque is amazing. I had to sell it to escape CA and have my name at the top of 2 shops list for the 24 SP!! Lets see how the Tail of the Dragon compares to CA's HWY 9 and PCH.
I'm a mt09 guy, and love it. Engine is wonderfull, it's light and a beast. It´s a hooligan bike and make you feel great. I have booth, a tracer to travel and a bandit to everyday ride. 4 cylinders are great and sound great.
@Lifted_Above sorry I hurt your feelings with objective reality little buddy. The fact is that the z900 has a detuned, buttery smooth 4-cylindee that has absolutely zero character. If you're looking at the z900 you might as well cross shop with a cb500f or suzuki burgeman scooter which might actually have more character than a z900.
@@exothermal.sprocket except I've owned an MT-09 and swapped regularly with my buddy's z900. I'm sorry you think lifting facts is talk and that your feelings are hurt, but there's a reason the MT-09 outsells the z900 and why the z900 probably will be scrapped as a model within the next couple years.
Добре че нямам мотоциклет,вече не искам и да имам,тотално ме объркахте с вашите отзиви,ще си карам велосипеда...живи и здрави...пазете себе си и другите...бъдете щастливи максимално дълго и всеки да кара това което иска
the z900 is 125hp and the z900rs is 110. dyno'd they produce about 113-116hp to the wheel and 95-98 hp to the wheel respectively. i appreciate the non-biased review on these two great bikes. what's better is really subjective depending on what the rider actually wants.
Miss my Z1000 thats for sure. Maybe it didnt have all the electronic tech but it was a beast and a screamer. Very comfortable and the only "naked" ive ever loved.
The crossplane sound sold me. It sounds so mean, especially with the aprakovich exhaust. I imagine every other MT rider feels the same way because half the MTs I look at have the custom exhaust on it. I'm gonna get an XSR900, just because I don't like the bug eye look of the newer MTs
I've owned a couple MT-09s and I now own a Z900. I'm a Yamaha man normally but I like the Z over the MT any day for the comfort and the smoothness that the MT just can't provide for me.
The MT is awful, it's popularity is due to riders that haven't had much experience with anything else liking it and publications paid to promote it. Your findings are exactly what the bike is... a mess of a design.
@@englishsteel-nz6im I agree. It's a weird super motard with a forward canted seat and wide bars. I feel like Yamaha can do better. I haven't tried the newest MT-09 but after my last 2 I'm not sure I want to spend the money to find out.
@krazokid19 I rode the SP and can vouch its pretty good but not for the price tag. Any other non SP model is horrible and the early fz09 era are exceptionally poor handling weird bikes. Yamaha fans tho think anything Yamaha is amazing. I think R6 is the worst of the 600 class with its extra peaky engine and extreme ergo's but people are buying them used for a price of a zx6r Krt and the zx6 is a way better bike lol 😆 I have a Gixxer 600 and I don't think its the top of its class but it's a way more capable road sport bike than R6 is. The GsxS750 Suzuki cancelled cuz low sales really is a peach of a bike too that effortlessly carves up corners but ppl love wheelie machine mt09.... The Z900 is at least balanced and smooth.
Great bikes comparisons video.. Very nicely depth details explained. BUT it would be MORE great if you had use CLASSIC COLOUR of Kawasaki i,e. Green : GREEN Z900 . KINDLY Next time if possible.. check/focus on BIKE'S colours variant too . 😊👍🏻
I have a 2020 z900 (grey) and as a shorter guy 5'6 30 inseam it fits me perfectly!!!! That being said the stock seat is HORRIBLE which I'm probably going to change. Never rode the Yamaha cause good luck finding one but imo I still prefer the styling of the Z even if there was an mt09 available. Also I wish everyone would stop getting the hp wrong between this (125hp) and the retro that indeed has 113.
Have a 2019. The last year where the rider has all the control. Full exhaust ,air filter. Sounds insane and is very loud. Just ordered new sprockets n chain. Dropping a tooth off the front :)
I'm between either of these bikes as a new used "big" bike for me here in Thailand next year (in one to two months). I thought I really loved the MT bikes but after seeing the z900/z900se, I absolutely love the looks of the Kawasaki. The Z looks so much smaller with more of the Brutale look. The MT would look so much better with the Z two part style seat. I'm looking at 2017-2019 used bikes here and I think I can live with the older style cockpit and less electronics of the Z. My last big bike was an '02 R1 and I loved it, any 15-17 year newer bike has to be fantastic.
From my experience both are diferent bikes. Had a z900 2017 for 5 years and loved it and facing it against mt09 gen 1 and 2 is a better bike with more stability and corner capability. I have now a 2022 mt09 Sp and comparing it with the gen 1 and gen 2 the are worlds apart in terms of chassi and agility. I prefer my mt over the z900 but front stability of the z900 with good tires is better thann the mt09.
It's funny how we're always told about the bikes that have "linear" power/torque, but never about the other bikes. What do THEY have? Sinusoidal? Parabolic? Hyperbolic? Please clarify. And show dyno charts that support your claims.
A stable planted ride is the biggest difference, owned the first Ninja 900 that came out in 1984. the bike felt totally planted on the ground at any speed. it was totally stable, then in 2019 I was considering getting an Mt09 so I took one out for a test ride. and after a few minutes I realized that the front end never felt planted. and it bothered me so much that I decided I didn't want the bike. but I am assuming that the new Mt09 has solved that problem.
just picked up a '23 mt09, it's fairly planted, definitely more than older gens, but the insane low end power is gonna lift the front regardless of what they tweak
Tried both and I currently own a XSR900 first gen. Both bikes are fantastic. The Z has a smoother engine and more comfortable suspenssion. The Yamaha has a tremendous engine (always ready to accelerate and full of torque) and feels more nimble. I frankly do not know Kawasaki consumption but the MT does 60 mpg. Incredible perfect bikes, I would own both.
@@yourwifesboyfriend6081 Yeah, I drive like a grandma, but I am a grandpa. More important than the miles per hour are the smiles per minute. And I try to enjoy driving with all my bikes. I also own a Monkey 125 and it is a pleasure to drive it.
The reason I won't buy either bike (although I'd love to own them) is that, for me, it's impossible to enjoy them riding at or near legal speeds -- the urge is far too strong to move out. Lots of deer and wild turkey where I live and ride and the risk vs reward equation doesn't work with high speeds. That's why I sold both Porsche 928s and Kaw ZRX1200R that I owned. I've switched to a 650 V Strom and big inch cruisers which are more relaxing and satisfying. I'm 62 and have been riding since I was 9, and after briefly owning a beautiful piped '75 Kaw H2 in college, I put my "speed racer" dreams behind me. I recently picked up a very nice '74 RD200 that isn't slow, but it gives the impression of going faster than it is, which is perfect for me. I enjoyed your review of the bikes, keep up the good work!
I went to buy a MT09 and left with the Z after riding both. Also I’m in northern Colorado and have the full Akrapovic if you ever want to get together for a sound clip on both with the exhaust.
Own the gen 1 MT09 after having owned the gen 2 FZ1. One major difference and what had drawn me to the MT09 is the triple cilinder engine. Way more fun than the in-line 4 and also way more torque down low and in the midrange. You’d have to rev the Z900 up quite a bit to get that feeling. Going to spec the bike up with full Hyperpro shocks and springs, slam a nice can on it and do a flash. Maybe tilt the bars forward a bit. I reckon I’ll have a superb canyon carver that is fun, light, agile and powerful.
You made a very nice comparison here, thank you. The TFT display is from another planet vs. the shitty LCD but there is TFT on 2021 Yamaha as well. Happy to notice that z900 is so good choice, I thought Mt09 would be way better. I haven't ridden either of them yet but soon will for sure.
MT stands for Massive Torque & midrange is where we ride 80% of the time .. but there’s nothing wrong the Zed , it’s a legend & you wouldn’t kick either out of bed .. this is a great comparison, because it’s not easy.
I've rode both bikes in a closed circuit, till almost 200 Km/h each. And a lot of other bikes like 765RS and Z1000 R Edition. I found the MT-09 a blast and peppy, and the Z900 just the opposite, like nothing to highlight, and really a deception. It was very funny and remarkable to ride the 09. Definitely not for beginners, but what a ride! After all, I'm not sure if I woul exchange my current 2012 BMW F800R, wich I love, for the 765RS. But I guess one day I'll get the 09, for sure!
I have a 2018 Tracer 900 GT, so same engine and power as the MT 09. You say you like using your MT09 in sports mode but complain about the power delivery is not linear which I would agree with. However what you need to do is use B mode this gives a very linear power delivery which I think is much better, especially for the twisties ( I guess what you call canyon roads). The modes do not affect engine power just throttle response on these bike, so you still have same overall power, just delivered better. The Yamaha triple is a great engine, it can be a little vibey at times but I have done 500+ miles in a day on a number of occasions with no problem. Engine torque is great and you are right about the engine braking, it all makes for an easy and very fun bike to ride.
I was cross shopping these 2 bikes but I ended up with a 2017 speed triple which I feel like combined the best characteristics of both. Nice low end torque from a 3 cyl that I was drawn to, but also the more sporty riding position that the z900 enjoys. The speed triple was also cheaper than I could find either bike with the same model year
I own a Z900 now and my last bike was a 2009 Speed Triple. I miss the brakes and build quality of the Triumph, the Z is awesome but there is something about those Speed Triples that just feels like your riding the ultimate hooligan.
Ive owned a second gen and a third gen of the mt09 and besides the engine the bike rides differently. over 90% of the bike has been changed. but good content and great idea for a video!
Great back to back review and you bring up some key points with the differences.. however Gen3 does have 2 positions for the rear sets to raise them a little which is nice and i know what you mean with the front end they not fully corrected it on the Gen 3 but its good bit better than before. i have adjusted the fork hight and added rear stiffness which helps keep little more weight on front end might help on the Gen 2 also... Keep up the good work
Its interesting how when you dont have to pay for the super expensive fairing pieces their becomes a higher budget for other things. One thing I like about these japanese companies is they bring a lot of competition. they try to put innovation in more useful places. But what I dont understand is how you got all that art getting like 45 mpg and yet its got a guage cluster that looks anchient. The kawasaki is z900 is better in the guages but its still this huge ugly box. I can buy a 250 dollar cell phone at best buy that is higher quality. These guys look like they tried to get the guage built for as little as possible. On a very high tech bike. 6 axis imu, cruise control on fz09 sp. Its a a minimalistic design but they sure werent minimalistic about these bezels on the side of the screen bro.
Both nice bikes. I think the upright riding position with more legroom makes sense for a naked bike, one of the reasons I no longer own sport bikes is the comfort level sucks for the long haul...great on a track but useless on the street. One thing i've noticed about my SP is that the engine is pretty smooth throughout the rev range compared to every 4 cylinder I've owned they all get annoyingly buzzy at some point in the midrange.
I've got a '19 which I bought new. Over 23k miles on it currently. It will burn some oil if ridden aggressively all day, but doesn't seem to if ridden reasonably. Idk, imma send it until it dies. Definitely my most fun street bike, although the GSXS1000GT is not far behind. I'd go for it and just keep an eye on your oil level. These bikes rock.
Love the Z but there’s no way I’d take it over my 3rd gen MT. Also you quoted the MT-10Sp not the MT-09SP which is $11.5k and doesn’t have semi active suspension. Just an Ohlins rear, beefed up KYB front fork, and cruise control.
MT09 wins every time, especially the new SP version with cruise control. Much lighter than Z900, very agile and perfect quick shifter. Don't know any better bike than that one for the price.
The MT09SP Gen3 does not come with semi active suspension. You have to go to the MT10SP for that. Both the Z900 and Gen3 MT09 are great bikes, but for fun value, the Yamaha wins I should know, I own both.
I like the aggressive sound and gearing of the MT09. I have a TL1000s so i dig that. Seems like the MT is more of a cruiser. I like the agressive push up bars on the TL for ripping, but i might like the MT for longer rides now. Does that sound like accurate assumptions?
I have to say, I’m so surprised by the amount of motorcyclist in these comments preferring the smooth power delivery of the Z900 over the aggressive delivery of the MT09. I feel like the primary reason of getting a street fighter is the preference of low end torque over smoother top end horse power, & “Master of Torque” 09 give you exactly that. If you want a smooth power delivery for carving canyons or hitting the track, a sport/ super sport bike makes much more sense. If you want something tame for around town or commuting, something like a parallel twin or one of Honda’s 650cc in-line fours sounds like a better option than a tamed 900cc in-line four. I do like the Z900, but I feel like the MT09 does a much better job at capturing what a street fighter really is.
I like the z900 because its sporty, comfortable for about an hour and imo looks great. I never really got along with the mt09 style. Sure its a little heavy for the class. but it handles well and I know that I and most people cant use the bike to its fullest anyways.
When you quoted the Z900's output, you quoted the dyno HP figure of 113, vs. 125, which is the manufacturer's number. For the Mt09, you stuck with 114, which is the manufacturer's number, though I think it might actually be 117. If you dyno'd the MT09, you'd probably get the same roughly 10 percent lower figure, owing to parasitic drive train loss. In any case, the Z900 has the edge in both power and torque. Great review, though. I recently bought a '22 Z900 SE, so I suppose I'm biased. :)
I’m 52 and just bought the Z900. I’m not into doing power wheelies or being a hooligan. Those days are past. The Z is smooth, and has a very comfy riding position. He’s right about sitting in the bike instead of on. Build quality is excellent and well thought out. Handles well and the throttle brings on the torque like a wave. I love it.
Couldn't agree more in fact I don't think the Mt is even close
That four cylinder engine is so good. And the sound the intake makes 😊
I'm considering swapping to a Z900 from a Honda CBR650F because it's a bit dull and not the comfiest, would a Z900 be a good choice?
@@itstherealjammin I think that would be a great change, and you need to go sit on it (test ride if you can) and be sure it fits you. I can't hustle the bike super fast in the twisties like on a lighter bike, but I don't make the public roads my track.
@@rebman5150 thanks, ride safe 🙏
Bought the MT09 few years ago after test riding Triumph trident and Kawasaki Z900
That cross plane triple on yamaha feels alive and have one of the best sound I ever heard from a motorcycle(with a decent exhaust)
When riding in A mode with TCS off the bike feels like a bull on steroids but once changed to standard and TCS on the acceleration is very smooth and linear with a lot of torque in low RPM.
MT09 is a motard disguised in a naked
No cross plane in the triple 🤦♂️
@@ridepastu1418 Just google it!
@@ridepastu1418Yes there is.
A traditional triple firing order is 123
A cross plane is 132
@@ridepastu1418cp3 = cross plane 3
Great Review . I tried to get an MT09 last spring/ summer. Most dealers just laughed at me those that would even get back with me that is . Ended up getting a 2022 Z900. Great bike
I own a 2020 Z900. I like your comparison here as out of the naked bike segment, these seem to be the two most compared bikes that I see online. I bought the Z900 after doing an exhaustive amount of research. I came to the conclusion that the Kawasaki seemed to be one of the best values for power, tech, and handling at least at my time of purchase. I did purchase my bike at the very start of Covid so I got a killer deal on a brand new machine. My price was actually way under msrp. This is my first real sport type motorcycle, although I've been riding for over 25 years on the street. I have been over the moon about this bike since day one! I can attest to the sound of this bike with a full CS Racing exhaust system. It sounds amazing!
I own an FZ-09. I bought new in 2017. Love it.... Comfortable for longer rides but a hooligan when you want it to be. Nothing sounds better than the CP3 cross plane triple motor... I'm a Kawi guy at heart though also...I own a 2005 ZRX1200R that I bought new in '05 and it's a beast with the mods I put on it. Full titanium Akrapovic exhaust, K&N filter, Borg Warner Race clutch, 4 degree ignition advancer, Factory Pro Jet Kit, 3 teeth up in the rear sprocket, and many Dyno runs to dial it in... It 1/4 mile at 10.6 seconds on the stock swing arm...Naked bikes rule!!! I also owned a Kawaski ZX11 and a 1970 KZ1000A that I fully restored... Great video and channel.
Just picked up a 2023 Z900. I have to say I personally like how the Z looks compared to the MT which was one of my main factors when purchasing, but I can't deny the MT is a great motorcycle.
same
@FlaxOFF Mostly cosmetic for now. Planning to get an ECU flash/tune next year after the warranty expires. Current list of stuff:
SC Project CRT slip on
Moto Dynamic fender eliminator
TST integrated tail light
TST Mech GTR front signals
Tech Spec tank grips
Bar end mirrors w/ Rhino moto bar ends
Trying to decide what frame sliders and or engine cases to get for protection and have a Quad Lock mount on the way.
The deciding factor for me from the 22 09 or the z was the tech on the mt09 coming from a grom I wanted the rider aids that the 09 has to offer
@@johnlewis5731 The newer model Zs have decent tech imo. The MT is superior, but the new Zs have power modes and traction control which is all I really wanted in a bike. Either one is a killer choice for the streets though.
The difference for me might come down to price, especially on the used market. I love my FZ-07, but people are really out here wanting MSRP for their 4 year old MT-09 with 15k on it. I’m about to give in and finally buy my first new vehicle, but the used Z900s around me aren’t priced nearly as crazy. Even just considering grabbing a new GSXS-1000 for a grand more and calling it a day.
2021 Z900 here. Amazing bike! Engine is insanely smooth.
I shopped both and ended up with the FJ 09! It's got that same 849 triple feels super sporty but as a commuter and occasional long hauler, it is so much better than either.
I thought the same, just can't find one for a decent price and they didn't make em long. A shame really.
Both bikes are awesome. I am a taller person and I went with the mt09. It felt more comfortable for some reason, I’ve owned mine for over two years now and it’s been an awesome bike.
How tall are you?
2018 MT-09, smog deletion, Akropovic full exhaust, DNA air filter and custom ECU tune 120 at the rear with 75 ft. lbs and it's an absolute beast. I like it because it is raw and angry, but it's predictable once you get to know it.
Thanks for that good comparison. I'm 49, live in the Philippines (where riding is way slower, more dangerous and exciting) and just bought an old crazy 2016 MT09. SO much fun but that uneven power curve was a steep learning curve in Manila rush hours traffic! Used to ride FZ1s in Australia so really appreciating the smaller size and lower weight.
I got a 2022 Z900 a year ago and it’s a literal thrill, I was torn between the two but I’m very happy with my choice but would recommend a MT-09 as well🤙🏼
the new mt09 for 2024 easily wins the fight
i have planned to buy a 2024 mt09 in march 2025
They're both excellent bikes. I personally prefer the z900, but you can't go wrong with either choice.
I have to say, you're probably one of the best bike reviewers on youtube. Clear voice, not a smart ass and fair in your assessments. Have a '22 Z900 and 900RS. These are torquey 4 bangers. They can take off in 4th gear easily. Made the mistake on a quick red light and didn't have time to downshift. Thought I'd try it. Don't need all the tech. Had a '20 MT09, prefer the Z's. Smooooth.....
Owned a '17 Z900.
Have an 18' MT-09.
Experience on both is stock condition, stock tune.
They are quite different but they both have very desirable traits. The Z is so much more stable, confidence inspiring, feels like you could do everything 20 mph faster than the Yamaha. You know what the wheels are doing and how much traction you have, and that's on stock crappy tires. The engine is SO BUTTER SMOOTH, but not to say mellow or dull. It has a lot of torque, tuned in a way that a lot of inline-4 engines are not tuned these days, but the throttle is telepathic to drive thrust. Always there, always responding to input, always giving you exactly what you ask for.
The MT before the latest redesign, is a mess. If it had a boring engine, NO ONE WOULD EVER BUY IT FOR ANY OTHER REASON. The engine is exciting enough to make people utterly blind to all the other issues it has. I know, I own one. But over time when you get to using a machine and rationale kicks in, you start to grow more and more frustrated with issues. It's an over-achiever in its displacement. It makes a lot of power for an 847cc. But here comes the woes: suspension is terrible (spring rates, lack of damping, chatter, headshake), chassis is overwhelmed by the engine and can't put the power down or control bike oscillations at higher speeds. Switchgear is some of the absolute worst I've ever fiddled with on any motorcycle, super flimsy, lacking tactility, button placement is ridiculous. Instrument display was designed by a kid high on sugar, all the wrong shape, too small, and information updates too slowly and inaccurately. Riding position is a little strange. Throttle tube is sloppy, slick, lacks any natural friction with the bar, resistance is a unnatural feeling spring due to lack of cables, coupled with a messy TBW calibration and your entire right arm will cramp after an hour trying to control the engine and make things smooth. Upper body is comfortable but the position of the feet relative to the butt is low and rearward. Strange. It was designed by Yamaha as a "Roadster motard" (exact words by product manager, Shun Miyazawa), and the chassis, long suspension, and ergonomics reflect that sort of ethos. Wouldn't be so bad if the suspension and chassis was up to coping with the powertrain, rider weight, and road surface at speed. It's been universally complained about from day 1.
3rd Gen MT-09 couldn't be more of a contrast to the old one. Kept the engine character and power, bumped midrange torque a little, and basically redesigned the entire chassis, suspension, and geometry. It's still more of a sit-up-and-beg position compared to the sit-in-and-attack of the Z.
In summary, I miss the Z900 and it's butter engine, mile wide rev band, super confident chassis. I literally do similar road sections at 25 mph less on the MT-09 than I did on the Z900 and I feel like I'm "risking it" even then. The confidence between the two is VERY different.
Not to say that either bike is perfect. As a long term unit, I'd be throwing thousands into the tuning, suspension, brakes, tires, and other bits. I just can't see myself doing that on the '18 MT-09. It's just got a too-big laundry list of personal complaints that I have grown to become intolerant of over time, spending enough time on a bike to figure these things out (something not many people do these days, judging by the mileage on similar used bikes for sale).
If I had my personal wishes, I'd go with a Z900RS Cafe if Kawasaki hadn't messed with the power and transmission from the Z900, but they neutered it.
Also considering a 2018 GSX-S1000 or the newer 2022 GSX-S1000. Also the new XSR900 with cruise control, I think it looks much better than the MT-09 and has more of an attack position like a traditional sports bike, rather than the goofy puppy-begging position of the MT.
If the 890 Duke R wasn't questionable about long term reliability, that bike is about as buttoned down, sharp, light, and raucous as anything that's ever had two wheels. Lots to choose from on the market.
indeed
The new Street Triple RS is well worth consideration, 128 bhp ,styleema brembos, Ohlins suspension and the best handling middleweight.
Ditto
@@yonniboy1 After living with the fat torque of the MT-09, I don't think I would care for 82cc less, or in the case of the new MT, 125cc less. I've read the Triumph triple is a little more vibration than the MT, which I believe to be just tolerable.
Got a 21 890R with 13k miles of loving it. It’s made the other bikes in the shop collect dust. Top shelf everything, better components than either of these.. KTM got it together, but people compare everything to the pre 2017 bikes, which got a bad rap as well. Do yourself a favor, get the KTM.
The MT07/09 both sound better with or without a pipe. I bought a 2017 Z900 (without ABS) and for me, it was the ergonomics and that wonderful linear power response that were the primary attractions. I'm a short dude so the Kawasaki lends itself to those of us of shorter stature. Personally, I didn't want any of the technology. If I had my druthers I'd have analog gauges and the only electronics I like is the fuel injection.
What？As an owner who has also owned a 2017 Z900, I don't know there was an no-ABS version of the Z900.
Love the Z900, but the riding position was too aggressive for me. At 6’2” the pegs were too high and back. Went with a 2023 MT 09 SP which has a much more straight up riding position. Not sure if there is much difference in handling between a 2019 MT and 2023. The bike has way more performance potential I’ll ever get out of it. Both bikes look great!!
Was debating between the mt 09 and z900 and after lots of reviews I went with the z900 because I felt it was the more beginner friendly of the 2. I definitely don't recommend it for a complete beginner, I have 10+ years with dirt bikes but only rode a few street bikes. I expected to get a R6 or ninja but the Z900 and mt-09 caught my eye hard. I went with the Z900 because of the linear power and better stability. It's still a monster but she gives you exactly what you ask vs the mt 09 being a beast unleashed. Definitely has a lot of torque in 1st and 2nd gear and can disappear in 6th
How would it do for a true beginner in low power mode?
@@nevanhopkins You can limit it to 35kw and put it in rain mode. Or just ride in rain mode for some time till you get ajdjusted.
Personally Id look for a 650cc bike for beginners, like MT07 or SV650. That V2 engine pulls at all rpms but isnt too wild. You literally dont need anything else for first few years.
+ something like SV is much cheaper to maintain and you wont go bankrupt if you slide or crash or something
I rode SV650 for 2 years and Im getting a Z900 now.
Because MT on the yamaha is literally means Master of Torque if I’m not mistaken
15:00 The breaking from letting go of the throttle is customizable at some bikes. If you go to a dealer or tuner with a DynoJet they can turn the "spraying fuel thing" on. So it wont break your back when you let go off the throttle
I've had the 1st gen MT09, I loved it, apart from the suspension which is crap and in the city it wasn't as pleasant to ride due to the on/off throttle.
I now own the 2017 Z900 and I love it more, the suspension is just fine and the elasticity of the engine makes it really really friendly as much in town as out of it. Great bikes both of them!
That choppy throttle isn't for everyone
@@mn_mt0964 try adjusting your accelerator position sensor (I know what your thinking, no not at the cable.. its under the tank!.. and transforms the bike! fyi: i got my diags 14 to read 12-97, diags 15 to read 10-95.. im NOT doing the ecu flash now... (gen 1 09)
@whocarescamera j I seen a video a guy does with this also it would be good for him to look into this for sure
I think a selling point of the z900 over the 09 is the predictably and linear power curve. 09 just comes on so much harder and has the grunt of a freight train, that’s what sold me on the 09 over the z900.
You can definitely play with riding position on the 09 as well raise the forks 10-12mm, get some cheap puig adjustable foot pegs to raise your feet 20mm, and a flatter bar or clip ons and you got one hell of a riding position. Did that with mine and take it to the track 🤙 would like to get a z900 on the track as well seems like a fun track bike
Why would you raise the forks? I assume you mean lower the triple tree? The triple tree has already been lowered by 30mm over the previous generation which gives it substantially better handling but also caused it to have a wider turning circle.
probably the best comparison on youtube on both bikes. (I owned an mt09 and test rode a z900)
I had a 22 MT09SP and at 53 here at the start of March, I love hooning around on it. The antiflip wheelie control is awesome and the torque is amazing. I had to sell it to escape CA and have my name at the top of 2 shops list for the 24 SP!! Lets see how the Tail of the Dragon compares to CA's HWY 9 and PCH.
I'm a mt09 guy, and love it. Engine is wonderfull, it's light and a beast. It´s a hooligan bike and make you feel great. I have booth, a tracer to travel and a bandit to everyday ride. 4 cylinders are great and sound great.
I'm convinced everyone saying they prefer the z900 are either scared of the MT-09 or already bought the z and don't want buyer's remorse
@@DB-sd3cw I'm convinced you're revealing your bias.
@Lifted_Above sorry I hurt your feelings with objective reality little buddy. The fact is that the z900 has a detuned, buttery smooth 4-cylindee that has absolutely zero character. If you're looking at the z900 you might as well cross shop with a cb500f or suzuki burgeman scooter which might actually have more character than a z900.
@@DB-sd3cw Except I've owned a Z900 and MT-09 personally. I have experience in ownership. You have talk.
@@exothermal.sprocket except I've owned an MT-09 and swapped regularly with my buddy's z900. I'm sorry you think lifting facts is talk and that your feelings are hurt, but there's a reason the MT-09 outsells the z900 and why the z900 probably will be scrapped as a model within the next couple years.
Picking up my new 2024 Z900 tomorrow. Excited to ride it! First naked bike I’ve owned.
Please share how it's been?
The 2020 MT09 SP tuned to 115 whp and modified to 184kgs wet (shod with S22 rubber) is a force on the mountain passes 😎🏁🏁
No doubt the S22 is a great tyre but the Road 5/6 are just as good on the street in twisties.
Thx for the Clip..im going to Test Drive the z900 at the Weekend..im very excited
Добре че нямам мотоциклет,вече не искам и да имам,тотално ме объркахте с вашите отзиви,ще си карам велосипеда...живи и здрави...пазете себе си и другите...бъдете щастливи максимално дълго и всеки да кара това което иска
Super cool seeing the Flatirons and part of where I grew up in a motorcycle review! Great job breaking down your experience on both bikes.
the z900 is 125hp and the z900rs is 110. dyno'd they produce about 113-116hp to the wheel and 95-98 hp to the wheel respectively. i appreciate the non-biased review on these two great bikes. what's better is really subjective depending on what the rider actually wants.
Miss my Z1000 thats for sure. Maybe it didnt have all the electronic tech but it was a beast and a screamer. Very comfortable and the only "naked" ive ever loved.
The Street Triple RS is like a blend of the two, aggressive ergonomics with a triple engine and by far the best handling naked middleweight.
There’s nothing like that 3 cyl crackle 😩🧱
890r is the best in that class. Nothing can compare with it.
It is insane how the sound changes with complete exhaust swabs, it sounds like old F1 cars.
& he has the quiet exhaust too 😳
2nd gen mt09 iconic hooligan bike,sounds amazing.hands down winner.
Great job on the comparison! This would be a hard decision to make. I would choose the Yamaha as I prefer the feel and sound of the triple.
The crossplane sound sold me. It sounds so mean, especially with the aprakovich exhaust. I imagine every other MT rider feels the same way because half the MTs I look at have the custom exhaust on it. I'm gonna get an XSR900, just because I don't like the bug eye look of the newer MTs
I've owned a couple MT-09s and I now own a Z900. I'm a Yamaha man normally but I like the Z over the MT any day for the comfort and the smoothness that the MT just can't provide for me.
The MT is awful, it's popularity is due to riders that haven't had much experience with anything else liking it and publications paid to promote it. Your findings are exactly what the bike is... a mess of a design.
@@englishsteel-nz6im I agree. It's a weird super motard with a forward canted seat and wide bars. I feel like Yamaha can do better. I haven't tried the newest MT-09 but after my last 2 I'm not sure I want to spend the money to find out.
@krazokid19 I rode the SP and can vouch its pretty good but not for the price tag. Any other non SP model is horrible and the early fz09 era are exceptionally poor handling weird bikes.
Yamaha fans tho think anything Yamaha is amazing. I think R6 is the worst of the 600 class with its extra peaky engine and extreme ergo's but people are buying them used for a price of a zx6r Krt and the zx6 is a way better bike lol 😆
I have a Gixxer 600 and I don't think its the top of its class but it's a way more capable road sport bike than R6 is.
The GsxS750 Suzuki cancelled cuz low sales really is a peach of a bike too that effortlessly carves up corners but ppl love wheelie machine mt09....
The Z900 is at least balanced and smooth.
Kawasaki boring no characters
Guys what about z900 vs z1000? Help a bro out, tryna see what to get
i am from a Z900 to a MT 09 gen. 3 gone, I'm happy with this switch!
Great bikes comparisons video..
Very nicely depth details explained.
BUT it would be MORE great if you had use CLASSIC COLOUR of Kawasaki i,e. Green : GREEN Z900 .
KINDLY Next time if possible.. check/focus on BIKE'S colours variant too .
😊👍🏻
I have a 2020 z900 (grey) and as a shorter guy 5'6 30 inseam it fits me perfectly!!!! That being said the stock seat is HORRIBLE which I'm probably going to change. Never rode the Yamaha cause good luck finding one but imo I still prefer the styling of the Z even if there was an mt09 available. Also I wish everyone would stop getting the hp wrong between this (125hp) and the retro that indeed has 113.
I’ve ridden both, an I personally prefer the z900 👍
Have a 2019. The last year where the rider has all the control. Full exhaust ,air filter. Sounds insane and is very loud. Just ordered new sprockets n chain. Dropping a tooth off the front :)
As a short rider I feel like I hug my z900 tank when I ride 😂, I love it so much
I'm between either of these bikes as a new used "big" bike for me here in Thailand next year (in one to two months). I thought I really loved the MT bikes but after seeing the z900/z900se, I absolutely love the looks of the Kawasaki. The Z looks so much smaller with more of the Brutale look. The MT would look so much better with the Z two part style seat. I'm looking at 2017-2019 used bikes here and I think I can live with the older style cockpit and less electronics of the Z. My last big bike was an '02 R1 and I loved it, any 15-17 year newer bike has to be fantastic.
The newer mt09 differs hugely from the one here (much improved!)
From my experience both are diferent bikes.
Had a z900 2017 for 5 years and loved it and facing it against mt09 gen 1 and 2 is a better bike with more stability and corner capability.
I have now a 2022 mt09 Sp and comparing it with the gen 1 and gen 2 the are worlds apart in terms of chassi and agility. I prefer my mt over the z900 but front stability of the z900 with good tires is better thann the mt09.
It's funny how we're always told about the bikes that have "linear" power/torque, but never about the other bikes. What do THEY have? Sinusoidal? Parabolic? Hyperbolic? Please clarify. And show dyno charts that support your claims.
A stable planted ride is the biggest difference, owned the first Ninja 900 that came out in 1984. the bike felt totally planted on the ground at any speed. it was totally stable, then in 2019 I was considering getting an Mt09 so I took one out for a test ride. and after a few minutes I realized that the front end never felt planted. and it bothered me so much that I decided I didn't want the bike. but I am assuming that the new Mt09 has solved that problem.
just picked up a '23 mt09, it's fairly planted, definitely more than older gens, but the insane low end power is gonna lift the front regardless of what they tweak
Tried both and I currently own a XSR900 first gen. Both bikes are fantastic. The Z has a smoother engine and more comfortable suspenssion. The Yamaha has a tremendous engine (always ready to accelerate and full of torque) and feels more nimble. I frankly do not know Kawasaki consumption but the MT does 60 mpg. Incredible perfect bikes, I would own both.
Must be riding like a grandma to get that fuel economy lol
@@yourwifesboyfriend6081 Yeah, I drive like a grandma, but I am a grandpa. More important than the miles per hour are the smiles per minute. And I try to enjoy driving with all my bikes. I also own a Monkey 125 and it is a pleasure to drive it.
@@josevi5835 Beautifully said.
1st gen Yamaha FZ09 is its own vibe. 🔥
The reason I won't buy either bike (although I'd love to own them) is that, for me, it's impossible to enjoy them riding at or near legal speeds -- the urge is far too strong to move out. Lots of deer and wild turkey where I live and ride and the risk vs reward equation doesn't work with high speeds. That's why I sold both Porsche 928s and Kaw ZRX1200R that I owned. I've switched to a 650 V Strom and big inch cruisers which are more relaxing and satisfying. I'm 62 and have been riding since I was 9, and after briefly owning a beautiful piped '75 Kaw H2 in college, I put my "speed racer" dreams behind me. I recently picked up a very nice '74 RD200 that isn't slow, but it gives the impression of going faster than it is, which is perfect for me. I enjoyed your review of the bikes, keep up the good work!
I went to buy a MT09 and left with the Z after riding both. Also I’m in northern Colorado and have the full Akrapovic if you ever want to get together for a sound clip on both with the exhaust.
You do excellent work..... practical but pretty comprehensive and the all important "seat of the pants" impressions also. Thanks!
Thoroughly enjoyed the comparison and your insightful review.
Own the gen 1 MT09 after having owned the gen 2 FZ1. One major difference and what had drawn me to the MT09 is the triple cilinder engine. Way more fun than the in-line 4 and also way more torque down low and in the midrange. You’d have to rev the Z900 up quite a bit to get that feeling. Going to spec the bike up with full Hyperpro shocks and springs, slam a nice can on it and do a flash. Maybe tilt the bars forward a bit. I reckon I’ll have a superb canyon carver that is fun, light, agile and powerful.
I have an MT-09 2021 but kind of want to try the Z900 now too.. Love the MT-09 though.
Previous model of mt 09 looks so much better then new one
They brought bug eyes back again in 2024 / 2025 model .. so good looks are back now!
You made a very nice comparison here, thank you. The TFT display is from another planet vs. the shitty LCD but there is TFT on 2021 Yamaha as well. Happy to notice that z900 is so good choice, I thought Mt09 would be way better. I haven't ridden either of them yet but soon will for sure.
MT stands for Massive Torque & midrange is where we ride 80% of the time ..
but there’s nothing wrong the Zed , it’s a legend & you wouldn’t kick either out of bed ..
this is a great comparison, because it’s not easy.
I've rode both bikes in a closed circuit, till almost 200 Km/h each. And a lot of other bikes like 765RS and Z1000 R Edition. I found the MT-09 a blast and peppy, and the Z900 just the opposite, like nothing to highlight, and really a deception. It was very funny and remarkable to ride the 09. Definitely not for beginners, but what a ride! After all, I'm not sure if I woul exchange my current 2012 BMW F800R, wich I love, for the 765RS. But I guess one day I'll get the 09, for sure!
Were you going by horsepower at the wheel rating? Z900 is ~125hp and MT09 is ~115hp at the crank respectively.
I bet he referenced Z900RS specs, which is a bit detuned.
Was thinking the same thing!!
Brock's Performance took a Z900 up to 129 wheel hp and 74 ft-lb.
I have a 2018 Tracer 900 GT, so same engine and power as the MT 09. You say you like using your MT09 in sports mode but complain about the power delivery is not linear which I would agree with. However what you need to do is use B mode this gives a very linear power delivery which I think is much better, especially for the twisties ( I guess what you call canyon roads). The modes do not affect engine power just throttle response on these bike, so you still have same overall power, just delivered better. The Yamaha triple is a great engine, it can be a little vibey at times but I have done 500+ miles in a day on a number of occasions with no problem. Engine torque is great and you are right about the engine braking, it all makes for an easy and very fun bike to ride.
Asked s.o who owned both
Mt09 so much much fun
I owned 4 of mt09 till now
I was cross shopping these 2 bikes but I ended up with a 2017 speed triple which I feel like combined the best characteristics of both. Nice low end torque from a 3 cyl that I was drawn to, but also the more sporty riding position that the z900 enjoys. The speed triple was also cheaper than I could find either bike with the same model year
Better suspension and brakes than either too
I was looking at them, I'm just not a fan of the styling. I think it's the way the headlights look and their position.
I own a Z900 now and my last bike was a 2009 Speed Triple. I miss the brakes and build quality of the Triumph, the Z is awesome but there is something about those Speed Triples that just feels like your riding the ultimate hooligan.
Isnt the 765 like 120hp plus hp being more than the z900 n mt09
@@512460 you're thinking of the street triple
Ive owned a second gen and a third gen of the mt09 and besides the engine the bike rides differently. over 90% of the bike has been changed. but good content and great idea for a video!
Doesn't the Z have 125 horsepower?
This is correct^
My Z dyno'd at 125 after a full exhaust and tune
@@andyl344 Wheel hp, like measured on a dyno, is different than crank hp(what the manufacturer advertises). Your always gonna have drivetrain loss
@@andyl344 which exhaust did you go with?
My Z900 in Europe have 125hp stock.
Great back to back review and you bring up some key points with the differences.. however Gen3 does have 2 positions for the rear sets to raise them a little which is nice and i know what you mean with the front end they not fully corrected it on the Gen 3 but its good bit better than before. i have adjusted the fork hight and added rear stiffness which helps keep little more weight on front end might help on the Gen 2 also... Keep up the good work
Awesome video Alex! Love both bikes.
MT 09 is a blast to ride..
Nice you talked about the sitting stance, I tried the Z900 but not a super fan of the aggressive position so I gotta go try a MT09 instead.
The MTs' 3 cyl. motor has the BEST sounding growl.
Its interesting how when you dont have to pay for the super expensive fairing pieces their becomes a higher budget for other things. One thing I like about these japanese companies is they bring a lot of competition. they try to put innovation in more useful places. But what I dont understand is how you got all that art getting like 45 mpg and yet its got a guage cluster that looks anchient. The kawasaki is z900 is better in the guages but its still this huge ugly box. I can buy a 250 dollar cell phone at best buy that is higher quality. These guys look like they tried to get the guage built for as little as possible. On a very high tech bike. 6 axis imu, cruise control on fz09 sp. Its a a minimalistic design but they sure werent minimalistic about these bezels on the side of the screen bro.
Happy Wednesday everyone ✌️ HAVE A BEAUTIFUL DAY
Can't go past that CP3! Has loads more character!
GOOD JOB ALEX 👏👏👏 LOVE THE ACROPOVIC
Just got the 2023 z900 and absolutely love it
How do you feel after all this time?
Good video and good comparison. Both of them are really cool streetfighters
I couldn't find an mt09 anywhere when I was looking. I love my Z. Gobs of torque all through the power band. Twist throttle for warp mode.
I'm 65 yrs old had a 1982 honda F had 90 hp which was great..the Harleys back then sounded great but didn't have enough horsepower.
Idk, all the cons he has with the MT09 are the reasons I love it haha, great video.
I love the GPz color scheme on the Kawasaki.
Great video, I also live in Colorado and wonder about your gear.
Great comparison video. 🤘
Good review/overview.
Both nice bikes. I think the upright riding position with more legroom makes sense for a naked bike, one of the reasons I no longer own sport bikes is the comfort level sucks for the long haul...great on a track but useless on the street. One thing i've noticed about my SP is that the engine is pretty smooth throughout the rev range compared to every 4 cylinder I've owned they all get annoyingly buzzy at some point in the midrange.
Great comparison - thanks!
Does your MT burn oil?? I'm looking into getting one, but I have been scared of the oil burning stories.
I've got a '19 which I bought new. Over 23k miles on it currently. It will burn some oil if ridden aggressively all day, but doesn't seem to if ridden reasonably. Idk, imma send it until it dies. Definitely my most fun street bike, although the GSXS1000GT is not far behind. I'd go for it and just keep an eye on your oil level. These bikes rock.
2nd gear 60 mph? Wow that's awesome. A lot of roads where I live are 45-55 so you could pretty much just stay 50 mph all day
Is the Z 900 recomended for short rider,5.5-5.6ft?Whats your weight?
Love the Z but there’s no way I’d take it over my 3rd gen MT. Also you quoted the MT-10Sp not the MT-09SP which is $11.5k and doesn’t have semi active suspension. Just an Ohlins rear, beefed up KYB front fork, and cruise control.
Z900 owner here. It was my choice between the main direct competition: cb1000, mt09, suzuki gsx1000 and triumph triple. I'd only trade it for a z1000.
MT09 wins every time, especially the new SP version with cruise control. Much lighter than Z900, very agile and perfect quick shifter. Don't know any better bike than that one for the price.
Z900 looks way better it’s a real head turner and sounds better. But yes the yammie is more comfortable and complete.
Z 900 is quicker in the 1/4 mile cus MT 9 front wheel keeps coming up. Z has longer wheelbase.......
More videos like this I watch the more I want a Z900
The MT09SP Gen3 does not come with semi active suspension. You have to go to the MT10SP for that. Both the Z900 and Gen3 MT09 are great bikes, but for fun value, the Yamaha wins I should know, I own both.
I like the aggressive sound and gearing of the MT09. I have a TL1000s so i dig that. Seems like the MT is more of a cruiser. I like the agressive push up bars on the TL for ripping, but i might like the MT for longer rides now. Does that sound like accurate assumptions?
I have to say, I’m so surprised by the amount of motorcyclist in these comments preferring the smooth power delivery of the Z900 over the aggressive delivery of the MT09. I feel like the primary reason of getting a street fighter is the preference of low end torque over smoother top end horse power, & “Master of Torque” 09 give you exactly that. If you want a smooth power delivery for carving canyons or hitting the track, a sport/ super sport bike makes much more sense. If you want something tame for around town or commuting, something like a parallel twin or one of Honda’s 650cc in-line fours sounds like a better option than a tamed 900cc in-line four. I do like the Z900, but I feel like the MT09 does a much better job at capturing what a street fighter really is.
First one to see your nice video Ally
You should give the GSX S1000 a test. Seems like a great value for the price
Kills both by miles lol
Listen man i think they look good but I just think the comfort level is something we will regret
I'm a Yamaha fanboy and I think the Z has more character and just a better hooligan bike but the CP3 engine sound and low end torque is hard to beat
You are the only person I have seen say the Z900 is more of a hooligan bike than the mt09
@@Jtwizzle Stock 09 has lots of low-end torque. A larger rear sprocket makes it too jerky for controlled wheelies
@@Jtwizzlehe mt09 nearly looks like an ordimnary commuter but the z900 kawi seems like they were side eyeing that one bmw.
Agree full akro on z900 10hp more and sporty and hooligan then the crusier Mt09✊🔥
I like the z900 because its sporty, comfortable for about an hour and imo looks great. I never really got along with the mt09 style. Sure its a little heavy for the class. but it handles well and I know that I and most people cant use the bike to its fullest anyways.
When you quoted the Z900's output, you quoted the dyno HP figure of 113, vs. 125, which is the manufacturer's number. For the Mt09, you stuck with 114, which is the manufacturer's number, though I think it might actually be 117.
If you dyno'd the MT09, you'd probably get the same roughly 10 percent lower figure, owing to parasitic drive train loss.
In any case, the Z900 has the edge in both power and torque.
Great review, though. I recently bought a '22 Z900 SE, so I suppose I'm biased. :)
I loved your work in Logjammin, Karl!
it would be nice if you compare it with 890 Duke!!!