Transitioning from an RTX 3070 to an RTX 4070 Super! Does it improve Sim Racing in VR?
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
- In this video, I transition my PC from an RTX 3070 to the new, all singing, all dancing, RTX 4070 Super, and try to see if there is any improvement for sim racing in VR, using the Quest 3, and all from, an Older Gamers Perspective. Less review, and more of a journey into the expectations of a new graphics card owner.
Timestamps have been provided for you to skip to the section that interests you the most. Or you can watch it all 😊
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00:00 Pre-Intro
00:29 Introduction
04:20 Benchmark settings
10:33 iRacing, the Quest 3 and the 4070 Super
17:32 AMS2, the Quest 3 and the 4070 Super
18:45 ACC, the Quest 3 and the 4070 Super
22:00 Conclusion
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Music credits:
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Links
Garage 61 - garage61.net
iRacing - www.iracing.com/
GT Omega Euro Site - gtomega.eu/
Moza Racing - mozaracing.com/wheel-base-r9
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An Older Gamers Published Books - paulekert.com/
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Great, a GPU comparison made by the Stanley Parable narrator, love this
Cool, now I have another new game on my Steam Wish list :) Glad you like the video :)
Without a doubt, the best VR content on the platform is here! I'm tired of watching everyone else and not understanding anything, I've already watched several videos and gained a LOT of knowledge, thanks for the help to the community
I went from a 1660 to a 4060 due to being sent the wrong gpu and then boom just got a 4070super massive massive difference even from the 4060 i cannot believe how much better my experience is. Less stuttering, less issues overall. Love it and now 1440p ultra settings on every single sim out even acc. Crazy good time for sim racing and gaming/gamers in general.
I got the asus 4070 super dual. Didnt want to upgrade my case or anythign else and im happy with my choice.
The craziest part nobody is talking about with the 4000 series is the lower latencyy and response time. Its absolutely amazing and one of the first years ive seen cards actually boost those areas.
I agree, the 4070 super is a very cool card and I am very pleased with my upgrade from the 3070. It's really like having a new computer, and indeed a new version of iracing to race :)
Really enjoyed the review and video !! Going from a 2080 super to the 4070Ti super myself 😊 and definitely would love to get into sim racing !
Excellent choice. I look forward to hearing how you get on with the 4070ti when you go sim racing :)
Great video! please keep doing these tests for VR. Thank you!!!!
Hi, thank you for the feedback. Glad you enjoyed it. More VR performance tests are planned and I will be releasing them in the near future.
i switched from 3070 to 4070S too, just for ACC, and I could crank my vr pixel density from 90% up to 150%! this made the game look 100 times better, a lot sharper and crispier. 50% uplift is real to me.
Hi, go take a look at my second video on the 4070super. With a clean install of the newest drivers, plus some optimisations I was able to get this card flying :)
@@OlderGamersPerspectivedo you have a link to it? So I can see.
subsribed after watching a number of your videos. really good content. I dont get the "older gamer perspective thing" - you content is really relevant regardles of whatever age you have. May be it throws some off
Hi, thank you for subscribing, it's be great that so many people have decided to join me on this journey into Sim Racing. It's a great community to be a part of, and I am really having a great time making these videos, so I appreciate your support and feedback.
The older gamers perspective thing came from when I first started the channel, last year, and the big SIX OH was looming at my hard, and I was trying to find a way of embracing my age rather than running and hiding from it. I had a number of other name ideas, but they were already taken, so I had to find something that wasn't taken, but that appealed to me.
And so, the Older Gamers Perspective was born.
The concept really is that I am a gamer who has been around for a fair bit, so there shouldn't be anything that surprises me or catches me out, or disappoints me (Yes Starfield I am looking at you). But! It has to be said, this year, where I have been diving ever deeper into Sim racing has taught me that there is always more to learn, to surprise me, and to catch me out, but that it's still great fun to do so :)
So, yeah, it's my perspective, and I am a gamer who is fairly old. Not as old as some who have subscribed here, or who I met at the last ADAC sim racing show, but still, pretty old :)
Hopefully that explains it better. You maybe right that it throws some people off, but the name is mine now, so it is what it is, and I have to find a way to make it work.
In a few weeks time I will do a live stream, talking about my channel, maybe I can make it clearer then.
Hope you can tune into it.
Thanks !! Great job mate!!
Glad you enjoyed it :)
Great video! I just picked up 4070 super. It’s running with a 58003d. I also grabbed the quest 3. I’m struggling to hit the same performance numbers with the headsets resolution set that high. I have to drop it down by 1 or 2x. What cpu are working with?
I have released (just today in fact) a follow up video on improving the performance headroom on my setup. Take a look at that and see if there is anything in there that will help. There were some surprises on which setting had the most effect (performance draining), and which did not. Also note that some settings in iRacing need you to reboot the application before they take effect (and not just the orange ones!)
To answer your question, I am using an i5 13600k, (a build video is also on my page here - I am sound like an advert now, aren't I ;) ) and I also did some CPU metrics towards the end of my latest video, but only briefly.
let me know, in the comments of the new video, if any of the performance tips help you out.
After I did a marathon test session, I could race at 90Hz, in iRacing, at 1.7x, with a lot of the settings in iRacing on full. Oh and I also found that using OpenXR Toolkit was a real performance increaser.
Good luck and I hope you find the solution you need.
So youre struggling with ur cpu? I guess I can expect the same result as you as Im using 12400f.
Subbed . Great vid 😊
Cool, thank you for your support.
One more thing, when you bumped up the settings at 16:18, did you restart the sim? I believe some graphic changes only occur after a restart
I believe so, I tried to get in the habit of doing that every time I made some changes after I noticed that some didn't seem to appear unless I did a restart.
Very good benchmark. Subbed
Thanks for the sub! And I am glad you liked the video :)
Thank you for the video and information I really enjoyed watching it. Just wondering, did you run these benchmarks with Steam VR or OpenXR and Open Composite. If you used Steam VR, please try OpenXR with Open Composite - it is a little bit of messing about, but boy is it a game changer -I run a 3070 and have seen a massive boost in ACC and AMS2 with openxr and open composite. Cheers
Hi, I am glad you enjoyed the video.
I play the standalone version of iRacing, through the Quest PC link app (as shown), and for ACC and AMS2, I use the option in steam that allows me to use the Oculus PC app, via cable link. Technically, this is OpenXR, as that is, I believe, what the app uses, but I know what you mean, and this has been suggested to me before, but....
I have so far hesitated to try the OpenXR interface and setup simply because I spend far too much time sodding around with settings and not enough time racing :)
Do you have any good tutorials that would get me started on using OpenXR? If so, I could perhaps create a video about my adventures while trying to get it to work, and see if it makes a difference to Performance headroom.
@@OlderGamersPerspective sorry for late reply - I watch 'WanderSchikanenTV' a youtuber who's advice and setting helped my VR framerate. Good luck with you settings.
@@Gindoogretep I will check out this channel :)
ima sorta older gamer as well, found your narration very silly and wholesome.
Excellent, Silly and Wholesome was exactly the tone I was going for.
Welcome fellow older gamer :)
LOL the Okayama got me. Racing with 5800X3D and 2060 on my quest 3 atm 😂
It is a tough track, performance wise.
That 2060 is bottlenecking that X3D hard. Lol
@@beemrmem3 I know. I’m looking to get a 4070Ti Super
@@ansonchin5674 did u get it ? Im still on 3060ti really wanting to get on 4070 train
@@filipivan5125 definitely 100% get it. I’m running 120hz on every track with nearly everything high and have yet to struggle anywhere. Use OpenXR for a better experience
Very interesting video, thanks for making it - still going with my Rift S and a 3070…but will need to upgrade some day!
I struggled on with the Rift original for a long time, and kept with it because people kept telling me base stations are more accurate, which I guess they can be, if they are working at optimal settings, which was not always the case on my computer.
When I moved over to the Quest 2, I was delighted with the inside-out tracking, and was able to play all the games I wanted to play, only without the cable. A revelation.
The quest 2 worked kinda okay with my 3070, but it was always a bit flakey. When I moved over to the Quest 3, a lot of problems went away, and now that I am on the 4070Super, even more issues have gone away. By the time I get to a Cray 4000, I will be in a place to play any sim at Epic settings.
@@OlderGamersPerspective yes, glad I never got a Rift original, too many wires. The Rift S inbuilt tracking is very good imo.
I had a real troublesome issue there, with too many wires, because of course I wanted to play in roomscale for games like Pavlov, but also seated games, like iRacing and (at the time) Elite Dangerous, and figuring where to put the sensors was... Problematic.... I also had this issue that sometimes, in the seated game, the system would lose track of where I was, and suddenly I was sitting three feet lower in the car. A bit of a problem when going round a corner, and suddenly all I can see are my computerised feet.
I run iracing with my RiftS and a rtx 2070 constantly between 75 and 79 fps no issues there. I wanted to upgrade to 4070 Super and the Quest 3 but I wont want to race with 72fps. Don't really know what to do right now. Need those sweet framerates.
Take a look at my follow up video for the 4070Super, the deeper dive. I found some extra performance and am now at 90hz :)
I really like that you are bench marking for VR. Not a lot of that kind of content out there. Im a VR nut so I appreciate it! While GPU matters. For VR CPU is what really helps for framerate.
I am glad you like the video and found it helpful. I am not so convinced that CPU is the major factor, I think it depends on which software you are running. But I will test this soon, with various packages, and see what is draining what from whom. Far as I know, most sim racers are using GPU (in VR) where as flight sims are draining a lot more CPU AND Gpu :)
Hopefully the tests will clear this up.
iRacing being an older engine doesn't allocate all cores therefore singlecore performance is very important
Maybe that's where the rumor comes from
@@OlderGamersPerspective After building a new PC last year I am 100% convinced that CPU for general VR gaming matters so much. GPU certainly matters for the visuals. But for framerate stability CPU is what i
s most important.
Which CPU did you go for?
@@OlderGamersPerspective I went with AMD Ryzen 9 7950x3d. The v-cache is the major difference compared to older CPU architectures. Modern Games love the V-cache.
Im about to upgrade from a 2070 to a 4070 ti super, or 4080 super. Also do VR racing. Thanks for sharing!
No problem, I hope this video and other benchmark videos on YT are of help when you come to buy. Let me know how it turns out.
VR Racing ? So why dont get a Rx7900xtx ?
and why you want to buy a 4070 Ti Super or a 4080 super when this year will cards be anounced that will have a way better performance ?
@@allxtend4005 first. I need an Nvidia card for some software that won't work without it.
Second. Why not? Upgrade now and if and when the 50 series appears, I'll take another look.
Waiting is not my favourite sport.
@@allxtend4005 The only card likely to be released 'this year' will be the 5090, if it releases at all. It is said to have a price tag of AT LEAST $2,000 USD, more like $2,500 USD. That's insane just to play games 😂 A 4080 Super is half that. The '5080' won't likely be out until at least the 2nd or 3rd quarter of 2025, meaning you won't likely be able to actually buy them until almost 2026.
Very thorough thank you, there's barely any VR benchmarks for the new supers, or even the old 40xx cards. I'm leaning towards a 70tiS. In the meantime you've convinced me to try 72hz in sims as my 2080ti has always struggled.
Hi, thank you for watching and commenting.
I think going to 72Hz on the 2080ti is a sensible move, however, before you make any upgrade choices, you might want to view the update to this video that I released a few days ago.
ruclips.net/video/aVIZTyNFXEI/видео.htmlsi=kOklbIQ6ODx0Y3vY
Here I found, with a new Nvidia driver (the older first one was a problem), a clean install of that driver, some basic tweaks to the Nvidia panel, and an app called Tweak GPU III, I was able to increase the performance of the 4070Super, and run iRacing, in VR, at 90Hz, at some pretty aggressive graphical settings.
In fact, it looks so good now, it is almost like I am playing a brand new version of the sim.
I also found that using OpenXR Toolkit gave a better performance balance to iRacing.
I will be following this video up soon with one on AMS2 and another on ACC.
Stumbled on this after i moved from and to the same two cards (in my case 3070 aorus to 4070S fe). Totally worth the upgrade!
Hi, thank you for the comment.
I am working on a new video at the moment that shows how I managed to push this card a bit further using some basic optimisations, a tweak tool from ASUS and a driver clean install.
Hope to have this video out soon.
What are you mostly using your 4070s for?
I love this voiceover, all I can think of is 🍵🧐🎩
Thank you very much :)
I like your video editing style.
Thank you :) I've been editing for a while now, and still enjoy the process.
Just upgraded from 1070 laptop to 4070(regular) desk top. Extraordinary.
That is a big leap in graphics power. Enjoy :)
@OlderGamersPerspective Whats the psu consumption with rtx 40xx? Can I go from a 660psu?
The 4070Super is much better than the 3070, and I think the 4070, but it's still not a lightweight.
Mind draws around 250watts at full power, so depending on what's in your system, a 660 should be okay, but I would check on some watt calculating websites first. I think BeQuiet has a good one.
excellent video. VERY imformative.
Thank you for the comment and the feedback. I am glad you found the video helpful :)
I believe had you went with a 4070 Super Ti, with 16GB ram and the 256-bit bus, you would see even better performance. Memory bandwidth is very important. Especially at higher resolutions.
Take a look at my follow up video - ruclips.net/video/aVIZTyNFXEI/видео.htmlsi=sQxUXLPJo0U85vAr
Here I found a lot more performance in the 4070Super with a clean install of the drivers, a few windows adjustments (HAGS mostly - turned off) and a bit of overclocking (10%).
I can now fly round the track, in iRacing, in VR, at 90Hz, with most of the settings at high.
Memory bandwidth is very important, and I will be looking carefully at that for the next card I buy, which will hopefully be a 50 Series, if I can afford it...
At least, but 4070 Ti still it's not quite enough. For serious VR gameplay.. 4080 it's a king
Great video, not many VR benchmarks to watch.
I would love to see some "optimized 90hz settings" benchmarks as well.
Hi, thank you for the comment.
I am, as I type this, working on the next video where I test the 4070Super exclusively at 90Hz and try to work out the best settings.
A few people have said, rightly I think, that I am leaving too much performance headroom on the table, so I will be pushing the card a little harder in the next video, and sticking to 90Hz, and also looking at OpenXR Toolkit at 90Hz.
@@OlderGamersPerspective
Can't wait. U earned a sub man.
Thank you. Hard at work on the video now, rebooting after every settings change.... I'm gonna pour me a big cup of tea at the end of all this.
Thanks, was wondering if I pull the trigger on a 4070S or spend extra for the 4080S.
With the upcoming rain patch I think I’ll better go all out 😂
Or wait for the 50Series? I would maybe wait for the rain patch to come out and then look to see what RUclips says about it. I will be doing some performance headroom tests with the 4070Super, that's for sure :)
What do you have now? Hard to give advice if you don't say what you are upgrading from. I just got a 4080 Super as I don't plan on upgrading for at least another 5 years or more. The 5800X3D/4080 Super is way more than enough for 1440p, and much better than a 3070 for DCS VR.
@@karlhungus545I went for a 4070S coming from a 3080. It’s enough for my quest 3 at the moment.
I know 3080->4070s isn’t a huge jump but I also wanted AV1 hw encoding,DLSS and a quieter system. Happy with the result. (CPU:7800x3d)
@@karlhungus545I'm planning to get the 5800x3d and either the 4070 ts or 4080s, do you think the 4080 is worth the extra 200€?
@rubenalmeida1822 Probably if you plan on keeping it for a while. I gave my 4070ti to my son and don't plan on upgrading to the 5000 series. The 4080Super will be plenty enough for many years, but so will a 4070ti Super.
great video, very clear. I just bought a pair of quest3 and I'd like to clinch 90hz, my actual card is a 2070super im aware that I must upgrade it, the only possiblity budget-wise for me at the moment is picking up an used 3080ti, do you think is enough?? i've heard it performs close to a 4070ti but im not sure, another option would be save for a 4080 but it's gotta be later this year. what do you think?
rest of the build goes like this, i9 9900kf and 32gigs of ram, if it helps in any way
Hi, I am glad you found the video helpful.
Getting a PC to run with the Quest 3, in VR is very demanding and difficult to achieve on a budget. It can be done, but it will mean you have to limit your expectations.
Getting up to 90Hz is not super difficult, and most of the time I was able to manage it on my 3070 (non-ti), but it was paired with a 13600k.
I am not familiar with the 9900kf, but a brief search online has revealed that the 13600k is about 25% faster, which isn't a whole lot, so in theory, yes you could get there.
But... You may find that you will have to drop some settings downwards, and you may still not be able to achieve 90Hz on some tracks that are not very well optimised.
If you can hang on, the 50 series will be out later this year, probably, and that could help flood the market with some second hand 30 and 40 series cards, which will make the whole thing cheaper.
Otherwise I would say the 3080ti is a solid card, and it will be a big upgrade from the 2070Super, the question will be, does the bottle neck shift to the CPU?
Good luck and let me know how it turns out.
@@OlderGamersPerspective Thank you very much for your point of view, this was the kind of help I was searching for, hopefully everything turns out good. Might grab that 3080ti at the meantime as I wait for 5xxx series. I really want to experiment this whole VR world. Thanks again!
Enjoy and let me know how it all turns out :)
Great video 👍
Hi, Thank you for the comment. I am glad you enjoyed it. A follow up video to this one, with updated drivers and better performance, and some deeper dives into OpenXR Toolkit.
Hope to release it by early next week.
Recent upgrade from 3080 to 4070-TS has improved my AMS2, but vastly improved my SkyrimVR on my G2.
I really need to get back into SkyrimVR, I do so miss it, although I need now to update all the mods I used. But man, that is an experience.
Great info thnx ❤
I am literally going from the same card to the same card. did it come with all adapters and everything you need? About to go pick my asus 4070 super up today lol
Yes, the Asus has a power converter Y plug thingy so you can use the same lead that went into the 3070, which was a real time saver. Don't forget to take the edge connector guard off the bit that goes into the mainboard. I forgot and then spent a few minutes wondering why it wouldn't fit in the slot... All these years working with computers and it's always the simple ones that fool me the most. Have fun with your new card and let me know how you get on. I can be reached on Discord quicker than youtube, if you do the discord thing - discord.gg/xxmVbrvn
Thank you a lot for this video, there’s very little information about PCVR specs, especially using a simple link cable. Thinking about getting the 4070 super for AC at 72hz and decent graphics, but sadly you ran ACC. Do you think i’ll have good enough results on AC with this card? I saw a lot of people having problems with blurry ‘ps3 looking’ tracks. But maybe this has to do with the crazy amount of variables (which I hope are fixable in settings?)
Edit: also buying the Quest 3
I never had a lot of luck with AC when I was using the Quest 2, so I should really revisit this sim with the Quest 3. I will probably look at it in the following weeks, but it might be about a month before it's released.
For the moment, I can't really say either way what the 4070Super would look like with AC.
@@OlderGamersPerspective thanks, I will wait for the video before buying then… big investment, and i really only pay AC
No worries mate. Hope to release that towards the start of April
By the way, do you remember if you had any issues with your vram capacity? I’m tempted to go with the 4070ti super because it has 16gb, but its €200 more expensive. So unless 12gb was no issue at all for the quest 3 on high settings, it might be a smart idea to stick with the 4070 super… I can’t decide!
I mean, more vram is always a better thing, but so far, mine has worked out just fine. Where that will be in a years time, I can't tell you. I would say if you can get 16gb, you probably should. I didn't because it was just outside my price range.
great review, i've switched from 7800 xt to 4070 super and gained like 15-20% performance running on 5600x.
but what really gave the biggest performance boost was the OpenX, it did wonders, and especially in ACC and foveated rendering turned on, graphic setting set to high-epic with 80-90 fps
I am glad you like the video.
I am in the middle of looking again at all my tests, I have, through PC optimisation, improved the performance of the 4070Super and I now get 5130 on Speedway in 3dMark, as opposed to about 4500. And this has helped out in iRacing.
I am collating now a set of results, testing 90Hz, but I will also look at openXR, and if that improves anything at all.
Watch this space :)
Get the 5800x3D big improvement in sims.
@@nanoverse really? How big of an improvement are we talking about? My 5600x is oced and I've got the 4070 ti super 😀
@@AlaVRSim Was iracing playable for you on the 7800xt? I currently have a 6750xt and 5600x even with openXR and all the other fps "fixes" its barely playable, and looks absolute trash. FSR is not working either, i can get my quest 2 to up to 90% performance headroom and it will still only run at like 50 fps. Might need to swap to another gpu. 😂
@@Veuxgames sorry never tried iracing, I only tried ACC and AC and ams2, yes it was playable but atbtrach setting and lots of bugs and errors. Are u using VD?
I have an question, its the first time I finally found a performance test on the RTX 4070S as my 2060S isn't very good at playing in vr. I probably, I won't be playing racing games as i am not interested intro playing one, as i will be playing games like beat saber, vrchat and Pavlov but i can't really decide if getting an rx 7900 xt that it should would get me a little bit more performance? Can somebody confirm if there is a somewhat different performance gap on the 4070S and the 7900 XT? and nice video, btw I like it. Keep doing great content.
Are you going to play these games via steam or as standalone on the headset? For steam, the upgrade to a 4070S will help, but there are other factors you need to take into account, such as how you are connected to your PC, and how powerful the rest of the PC is.
Really like your video ! Are going from 3060 ti to 4070 ti super or 4080 super soon. Might the ti super be enough:)
I am currently redoing the tests from this video, looking at 90Hz and trying to figure out which settings in iRacing make the biggest performance impact for this card.
Should be out in the next week, if you can hang on until then, you might have some more information to help you with your buying decisions.
Which one did you get?same situation for me
@@rubenalmeida18224080 super in the end :)
As a VR enthusiast, what is your feeling about the 12GB VRAM? I'm concerned about it myself, and feel I should bump up to the 4070 Ti Super with its 16GB VRAM and 256-bit bus, so I can just keep it for years without any concern.
Yeah, the 12 to 16GB argument is always going to be one that rages on. In 12 months it will probably be the 16 to 24GB argument.
If you can afford it, sure, go for the 4070Super, or maybe the 4080Super, and at 16Gb you will have more future proofing than me at 12Gb, however.... I will probably upgrade to the 50 series when it comes out and sell my 4070Super (these cards do seem to hold their value nicely, but only if you don't hang onto them for too long) and see what that card can do.
But I am an addicted geek who likes to buy and try new hardware. If you just want to put a card in and forget about it for a few years, the 4070TiSuper would seem to be the safer bet.
Thanks for doing this test. It show that there is an improvement, but not a 600 dollars difference improvement to be honest.
Hi, thank you for the feedback. Take a look at the follow up video I did to this one -
ruclips.net/video/aVIZTyNFXEI/видео.htmlsi=9V1szT2mbQ4bjPVA
Here I found some extra performance with some basic optimisations, and then, well, I think it's worth the money :) It certainly now feels as though the power of my 13600k has been unleashed and iRacing has become almost a different game. Like I have been given an upgraded version.
Anyway, check out the video and let me know if this changes your mind.
I don't know how is the screen flicker at 72Hz in the Quest 3. Never tried. I know it was annoying on the Quest 2.
I personally don't see any flicker at 72Hz, but I am old school and have been playing games on flat screens with far slower refresh rates, so who am I to say?
I think if it annoyed you on the quest 2, it's likely to be the same on the quest 3, or any other headset.
However, the good news is I did a follow up video where I found some more performance in the 4070Super, and managed to get it to run at some high settings at 90Hz.
I would urge you to check you that video.
ruclips.net/video/aVIZTyNFXEI/видео.htmlsi=zEzGjEUIrBp4y8pN
I have a 4070TI Super coming tomorrow. I have a standard 3070 atm, plus a 5800x3D so I’m hoping for a big upgrade. Since the rain has caused even more issues. One thing helps me, in nvidia control is setting Anti Alasying to 16x and off in game. So it uses more cpu rather than gpu for it
Yes, I have seen various reports that it's best to do it from the Nvidia control panel and other saying to do it the other way round. I will have to try it out myself and see what difference it can make.
Enjoy your new card :)
Thanks for posting this. I'm coming from an RX 6700 XT to RTX 4070 Super and looking forward to some more performance. What CPU model do you have your 4070 Super paired with?
I am running with a 13600k and 64gb of DDR4, with windows on an NVMe, and also my games and sims on a second NVMe. Let me know how it turns out for you.
@OlderGamersPerspective That's solid. Your CPU is also perfect for MultiViewer for F1, which is single-core performance dependent.
Multiviewer for F1?
@OlderGamersPerspective Oh my goodness, you'll be blown away. In the UK it's hard to use due to Sky's license agreement. Feel free to ask me any questions. I'm also on the official Discord and go by my last name there.
Cool. Thank you I will check it out
Hi, I am thinking about getting the 4070 super or may be the TI Super, did you have to use a power connector adapter for the 12 pin and does it connect to two 6 pins? - thanks Mike
I bought the ASUS model, which came with an Y-Adaptor in the box, allowing me to use the old 3070 connectors with the adaptor. You should probably check the model you buy to make sure it includes this Y-Adaptor, or you should get one at the same time.
@@OlderGamersPerspective Do you remember how many any pins on the 2 connector side - thanks
@@mikegc3816 Sorry, no I don't, but there is this video where they show one - ruclips.net/video/Xvd6YCnallk/видео.html
@@OlderGamersPerspective 2*8 to 12 - thanks
cool
Been looking, I’ve got the GeForce GTX 1660 super 6gig. Want want more for under 300.. what would you get?
Hi, thank you for the comment. I think you should probably be looking at something from the 30 series, perhaps the 3060ti? But the guy to ask, and to watch for stuff like this is Jason at PC Builder.
www.youtube.com/@PCBuilderChannel
You will find lots of good advice there for upgrading.
Nice video!
Thank you :) Glad you liked it :)
Hey my friend how are you able to get ACC to look that great. I am really struggling with a 4070 super
I have completed two videos talking about optimising for AMS2 and iRacing, but I have yet to finish the one on ACC. While I am working on it, take a look at this one for iRacing. Some of the performance tips for windows and the graphics card my help you.
ruclips.net/video/aVIZTyNFXEI/видео.htmlsi=quKsJP5XLofTTD94
thanks for video. I am planing to buy either Radeon 7800xt or 7900 GRE. I don't play racing game that much but I love to make sure that my Quest 3 should be better with something powerful than my current nvidia 1660 LOL!!!
The 1660 was a solid card in its day (way back there in 2019), but you could probably benefit from an upgrade. Let me know how it turns out.
Thinking about changing my 3060ti to a 4080 super to Play DCS with VR, but there might be a space-problem involved with such a large card
Good to see that the 4070 super (which in general is a bit on the smaller side), would in worst case scenario at least be a definite upgrade still
Hi, thank you for the comment.
You will need a decent power supply, and also a decent case with fairly good cooling for the 4080 Super, but I have found the 4070 super, the two fan version, to be good at keeping cool, a lot cooler than the 3070, and draws less power than the 3070.
I am working on a new video at the moment, to show the Quest 3 at 90Hz, with iRacing. Might be good to hang on until you see that video before you buy as it might give you some more info that you can apply to sims like DCS.
thank you very much for this video, i was about to buy a 4070 card to upgrade from my 3070, but this as put me off some what, if i went for 4080 i think i would need a new CPU as mine would bottleneck .iam think now to hold on to my current PC until the 50 series comes along and then change to a new pc completely
I am glad the video helped in your decision making process. Like I say, the 4070Super is cool, but maybe not value for money if you are upgrading from a 3070. From a 2070Super, it would make more sense.
What CPU do you have? I found the CPU and NVME for the OS, and another for games, worked well to reduce bottlenecks.
is iRacing supported on Quest 2's?
It is yes. I used a Quest 2 for sometime, with iRacing, before I swapped to the Quest 3. You do of course need to make sure your computer is compatible, or indeed, up for the job of supplying the graphics needed to display on the Quest 2. I use a link cable, but other people have had success with Airlink or even Virtual Desktop.
Nice content! I'm also upgrading from 3070 TI to 4070 TI Super. But I think AMS2 should be adding support for OpenXR and DLSS, otherwise we'll all migrate to ACC.
Cool, that is a great upgrade, let me know how you get on.
I am not sure if AMS2 does not already have Openxr support, I think the problem is that openXR is difficult to use with Steam (which is where most people buy AMS2) unless you do some hocus pocus with open composite, which to be honest, I have not yet tried.
DLSS would be nice, but I am not sure if the game engine being used is going to be able to cope with it.
ACC is pretty cool, but it's not really AMS2, which has such a huge choice of cars, where as ACC is GT or leave. I do like ACC, but have yet to fully get into it, and do find myself spending more time on AMS2 than ACC.
My pc is i5 10400 + GTX 1080 + 16GB ram...does everything I need.
Brilliant :)
i think you need to upgrade from that i5. yes its an okay cpu but id deffo go minimum i7 for an RTX 4070 super
It is a debatable topic, and I think for a future video, I will look at iRacing, AM2 and ACC, and monitor what each of these do with the CPU and GPU, to see if there is a bottleneck.
Far as I know, iRacing doesn't really stretch the i5 13600K and only uses a single core. But I will know more once I run some tests.
tried to get my 11700 / 3060ti combo to run ac smoothly with the quest 3... did not work very well, especially when you want nice details and effects like smoke.. i underestimated the kind of performance you need to run a newer vr headset in racing games 😛 time to upgrade my pc! Great video!
Try Automobilista 2
It's less demanding but have also a VR mode
I mainly do Ac to practice drifting.. but will give it a go in am2@@stefanschuchardt5734
From my tests, iRacing seems to offer the best performance, although it has to be said, the graphics are not as good as AMS2 or ACC. Maybe try out AMS2 next as that has a number of settings that you can alter in order to get a better performance out of it.
tnx for the comment, i think i'm going to trade a kidney for a new setup with 4080s.. that way i should be able to play anything for the coming years. I just like AC the most for realism. Keep up the nice vids! Cheers@@OlderGamersPerspective
I have a 7800x3d an a 3060ti and AC runs well. I get 90 with decent settings.
Wonder if the CPU is the difference….
i could never get quest 2 to run solid. 11900 / 3070ti - it would always crash and tank my iRating (was tanking anyway but that's another story)
Yeah, I feel you. My iRating has been going through a very rough time lately, and I would love to blame the performance tests, but the answer probably is with me :(
I have been told that using OpenXR makes a difference, although I haven't yet tried it myself. Perhaps that's something you could try?
interesting , im about to upgrade from the 3070 Aorus and was initially looking at the 4070Ti but im thinking for the price/return im thinking i may as well go a step more and get a 4080, i use 32gm Corsair Vengeance and 5800x on a Samsung G9 49".
I think my concern here is that you might find the bottle neck would be your CPU, in this case. I can't say for sure because it's been a few years since I built an AMD system, but for a 5800x, the 4080 might be over kill. Like I say, this is speculation on my half, you would be better posting on Reddit and seeing if anyone there thinks this is a good pairing.
I've always found the 5800x to be more than capable.
@@RacingFromTheBack If it wasn't. Could you upgrade the CPU in your current Motherboard?
I'm using a B550M Gamer Plus so the only upgrade would be the 5800x3d which tbh wouldn't be worth it given that it improves games but not other applications.
I think if i do put a 4080 in that should be good for a fair while considering 1080ti are still playing Triple A titles now
If you have a look at my channel you'll see the CPU and Gpu I currently use hold up well in ACC
@@RacingFromTheBack It certainly will be a step up from the 1080Ti. Like I say, I don't really have the experience with AMD to say if this is a good move or not.
If you want to see an improvment I would pick parts with a bit more tactic. For example a x3D cpu will help massively in vr with frame consistency and will push more frames to the gpu then any i9. Next things you could of done differently is get a used 3080 for significantly less but only slightly slower. And probably the last issue is you are using a quest which most likely taxes a lot of performance and looks like stream while something with displayport like a reverb g2 that displays perfectly like a monitor and doesnt cost the system performance for the compression.
Thank you for your comments. Which X3D were you thinking off that would be better than the i5 13600k, and still in that sort of price range?
where I am in the world, the 3080 isn't significantly less, in fact checking today, it's fetching about 100€ less than I paid brand new, and it would be second hand. This might be different where you are.
I don't mind buying second hand, but it does come with a risk, in that these types of cards are often thrashed (or mined) and the thermal pads can be on their last legs. Not always the case, but if I am paying this sort of money, I would prefer to buy new, and have a warrantee.
The G2 is a classic headset, but with Microsoft declaring WMR as end of life, the G2 doesn't have much of a future. Besides which, I have tried one and I thought the sweet spot was a little small, even when compared to my CV1 headset, and not even worth comparing to the pancake lenses on the quest 3.
Plus, I like to play mixed reality games, and do other stuff with my VR headset, so it's not a dedicated sim headset, so for me the Quest 3 works better for my needs.
@@OlderGamersPerspective fair enough. 5800x3d or 7800x3d are both good. The 5800x3d is cheaper because its on last generation am4 socket. The 7800x3d is more expenive but can be a lot better depending on the game. Im on 5800x3d curently and Its what is going to be within the i5 budget most likely, you can buy almost any old used am4 motherboard with a b or x chipset for cheap but might need a bios update. To really enjoy the reverb g2 you have to use it for a bit and learn how to set it up for your liking. Everytime my friends try it out we have to redo the straps so its in the sweet spot for them. I didnt know prices where bad there, here in canada you can pay 300 to 400 cad less for one. Usually I go for asus tuf or strix regardless if its been mined or not because these cards have much better components then the any competion cards and stay cool even after years of use. Usually all you need to do is just change the thermal paste and you should see temps around 65c and vram around 75c.
I did think about going down the thermal pad and paste route, but the time I have available to me meant I couldn't afford really to do it. I'll put it on the list of things to do in the future :)
I do like the sound of these 3D chips from AMD and will probably look into building a dedicated sim PC at some point in the future.
@@OlderGamersPerspective if you get asus then thermal pads are usually not required to be replaced. Only the paste.
@@mr.simulator4724 The 3070 was gigabyte, but the 4070super is Asus. So thank you for the headsup, I did not know this.
Got a 3060ti right now, my brother is upgrading to a 4070 super too from a 3070 and i'll take his 3070, and then i plan to go to a 4070ti super in half a year, so this will be an interesting video to know about the improvements, ( writing before watching )
It will be world class interesting to see what difference the 3070 makes to you, coming from the 3060ti. Let me know how it turns out.
Not that big of a difference
Around 10% performance increase
I upgraded from 3060 to 3060ti, that's a 25% upgrade
That's noticeable
@@stefanschuchardt5734 also did that, not expecting a huge difference to the 3070, ifs just a free upgrade
I am also an older sim racer. I must say though, you look very good for your age, based on the picture of you(😮). I recently became a VR racer after I purchased a Meta Quest 3. I solely run iRacing, with my pc containing a 5800X3D and a 4070 Ti. I have been frustrated with very poor graphics in my headset, despite trying many different settings. My cpu often appears close to maxed out, while the gpu has headroom. I will keep working on this, as VR is such a step up from using a monitor. Thank you for the very helpful video. I use the official Meta Link cable. On iRacing it shows OpenXR, OpenVR and Oculus. I usually select Oculus, but I have tried selecting OpenXR, so I can use the OpenXR Tool kit. So far, for some reason, the Tool kit doesn't recognize my headset, so doesn't help at all. Happy racing!
My photo was created via a tool in photoshop, which has been... shall we say.... kind to the reality of the situation.... Just passed the 60 mark here. You?
Yeah, I am yet to try the OpenXR toolkit, mostly because I have heard people having issues with it, like yourself, but I will give it ago at some point and make a video on it. Perhaps that will help.
From a bit of testing today, it doesn't look like any of the sims I use are coming close to maxing out my cpu, i5,13500K, so the question is, where is all this extra performance going to?
@@OlderGamersPerspective I am 58. Good question on where the power is going? My monitor, which runs simultaneously, is 5120 x 1440. I assume that takes a lot. I will reduce the resolution on it, to see if that helps.
yeah, I find this setting, for the PC, can also randomly change for some reason. I mean, I don't suppose it's random, probably something I am doing with the tests, but it's good to check it out every now and then. Mine is set, I think to 1080, so it is just a small panel in the middle of my 1440 monitor.
And good to have another older gamer onboard :) I am soon to release a new youtube profile icon thingy, to replace the one I have now. I put that up last year in a hurry, having created it in iclone using Headshot to replicate a photo of me. But yeah, I do look young there. The new one is a cartoon that was drawn by an artist on Fiver, and better reflects my age.
But yeah, getting old sucks in one way, but in another, it's fascinating to see how far we have come with computers. I can still remember the first arcade game I played (in my local swimming pool). Space invaders.
I am thinking about jumping from Quest 2 to 3 and from 3070 to 4070 super just for ACC, let´s see it is worth my money.
If you are going from the Q2 to the Q3, as I did (I created a video about this, you can find it on my channel), you will probably benefit also from a 4070Super. I have used the 4070Super with the Quest 3, in ACC and it did offer some pretty good performance and some remarkable visuals.
@@OlderGamersPerspective In the end I bought a 4070 for a very good price, as I am aiming at 72 herz I guess my problems in ACC will be solved with the 4070 + 5800x3d, let´s see how it goes when it arrives.
@@nakazonegamestreaming896 Sounds like a solid plan. Let me know how it goes. Often easier to reach me on discord if you do the discord thing. - discord.gg/xxmVbrvn - Friendly group there of like minded people.
I guess I'm not the only one who can't tell a difference with 72Hz and 90Hz in VR. I'm using the Quest 2 with a 3070Ti, and I recently switched from running bare bones at 90Hz (details all off, 8x sharpening, etc) to the recommendations in the VR PDF, but at 72Hz. The game looks better, and surprisingly, I'm faster. I'm not sure why, or how, or if it's just coincidence, but I'm consistently better in the GT4 and F3 since the switch to 72Hz. So worst case, it's the same for me.
Another thing to try is the OpenXR upsampling. I've read that setting Oculus to 1x and then setting the resolution to the 2704 x 2736 (per eye) in OpenXR has better performance, for the same resolution, as setting Oculus to 5408 x 2736 and OpenXR to 1:1. I've gotta try that and benchmark. I'm assuming when running AMS2, you do the same sort of upsampling in SteamVR for that game as OpenXR for iRacing...
I got a noticeable performance bump from the other OpenXR settings, so I'd recommend you try that (Turbo mode, Foviated rendering, etc)
Yes, indeed, running at 72Hz to 90Hz, really doesn't feel that different to me. I am doing some more tests this week, at 90Hz, but this is mainly because there is some interest in the comments to see what the card can do when pushed at this refresh rate. Video to follow soon...
The openXR thing is a whole other Rabbit hole that I expect to be sucked into soon.
3070 on Okayama didn't dropped to 45fps, it was just Oculus frame reprojection ASW kicking in, as it works at 1/2 of refresh rate (45).
Hi, thank you for the comment.
It is annoying that it was doing this, as ASW is turned off in the ODT, but it has to be said, it is still the 3070 that's causing this. The GPU performance drops, so ASW kicks in.
What was interesting is that at 80Hz, the ASW kicks in at places the 90Hz does not. Weird huh?
@OlderGamersPerspective yeah, definitely weird. It doesn't happen with my Q2, so I suppose software have bugs with Q3.
Could be an issue with the headset, although I did see fairly lack lustre performance at 80Hz across the board. New app for the quest out soon from Meta, with support for 120Hz! Maybe that will solve some other issues as well.
@OlderGamersPerspective I use 72hz for all sims (racing and flight), as my 3090 can't handle more than 40fps in MSFS and X-Plane, and not more than 75-80fps in AMS2, with Quest 2 via link cable.
Try using the Oculus Debug tool and the FOV tangent setting. This link has some more details.
forum.dcs.world/topic/221381-improved-vr-performance-by-cropping/
Surprised you didn't mention Rudskogen. The front straight absolutely butchers me every time on 5800x3d/3080ti
Hello, thank you for your comment. I did in fact mention Rudskogen, and created a 40 car AI race on this track, which is towards the end of this video. And yes, the straight is a performance overload, I think mostly because it has stuff there that drains performance (like the big TV screen on the right as you pass the pits), even if those elements have been disabled, which sucks.
Saying in some part of the circuit : "they've the same performance headroom" --> Performance headroom is showing more than "GPU bound" performance but rather "System bound" performance. If the performance headroom is showing no difference between both GPU, then the performance headroom is just showing another part bottlenecking limit... CPU of the quest 3. CPU of the rig. ??? :D
Have a look at the follow up video I made on this subject. Using a clean install of a (better) driver from Nvidia, plus some other optimisations, I was able to crank the settings much further and get much better performance. So it wasn't my CPU or the CPU of the Quest, it was the driver first released for the 4070Super that was the problem, plus my system needing some more optimisation.
ruclips.net/video/aVIZTyNFXEI/видео.htmlsi=Jumig0e3ldYCUrFx
I upgraded from 1080ti to 4080. No complaints.
An awesome card. Enjoy :)
I have updated this video to do a deeper dive into the settings and found a clean instal of the drivers, plus some other optimisations really released the potential of the 4070Super. Please check it out.
I switch from a 3080 ( 10GB ) to a 4080 Super and get +50% ( no DLSS rare Power!!! ) more frames. Love it on my 49" Ultrawide 4K ! Playing ACC on Ultra 280~320fps and the new LeMans Ultimate 300~350 FPS. Love it !
Sounds cool. Enjoy :) I've not had a chance to try LeMans Ultimate yet, but I have it on my list.
BTW - I did a follow up video to this one, where I found some more performance in the 4070 super and was able to use it at 90Hz with the Quest 3.
Check it out here: ruclips.net/video/aVIZTyNFXEI/видео.htmlsi=zEzGjEUIrBp4y8pN
Your VIR issue at that corner (in iRacing), does it to me as well, on triples (5800x3d, 3080). Something weird there but it’s iRacing not you.
Yes, it was a problem, but with the 4070Super, at 72Hz, the issues seems to be solved. Although that was on a test lap, so I have yet to race there...
I also saw this issue at a few other tracks, where one particular corner showed poor optimisation, including Willow Springs, which had a corner that drove me mad with dropped frames every single time. Be interesting to try that track out as well with the 4070Super, when it comes round on rotation.
It seems slightly strange to talk about performance in iRacing by mainly focusing on how much of your GPU isnt being used (overhead). You are essentially leaving any extra power you gained unused?
Having 40-50% overhead should easily be enough for the jump up to 90Hz
Hi, thank you for your comment.
I have thought long and hard about what you are saying here, and yes, it does feel like I am leaving too much power on the table, unused, so I am rerunning my tests, at 90Hz, to see if I can get a clearer picture of what I need to do, in order to run at this speed.
I think my initial thoughts were based on my experiences with the 3070. This card would often get hot, and I became wary of running it too hard or too fast, in order to make sure it didn't cause a problem mid race (and wreck other people when I lost control of my car). In other words, I became very cautious.
However, I am using a different card here, and so I need to treat it as a separate entity, and see if it can be pushed further.
My next video will look at pushing the 4070 Super, at different settings. I will do iRacing first, but AMS2 and ACC will follow shortly after.
@@OlderGamersPerspective that sounds like a good plan, I understand leaving some overhead to reduce frame drops but I think you can find a better balance. You will never completely avoid the occasional stutter. Good luck with future testing and enjoy the smoothness of 90Hz 👍
I've been testing the last few days, with some interesting results. Just moving on now to OpenXR, the raw version without the toolkit interacting with it, then I will try again with the Toolkit.... Ever get the feeling we are spending more time optimising than we are racing?
just picked up an rog strix 4070ti for 540 USD.. killer facebook marketplace deal. killer card
That's a great deal. The GPU market prices are really seeing a squeeze since the Super range came out.
You seem to have more dropped frames and spikes on the 4070 - at least according to the stats displayed on the screen.
which test are you talking about? for 72Hz, everything looks fine to me.
@@OlderGamersPerspective Hi. The application frames dropped on the 4070 is almost an order of magnitude higher. This is what the graphs show - ruclips.net/video/4_dC59_iIZo/видео.html
@@BarringtonDailey do you have a specific time in the video to show this? I'm certainly not seeing this, either in the video or when in use it for aim racing.
Try changing your link cable. I did and I got 3.7 giga flops or whatever... makes no difference at all though. Meta must have chosen the weakest cable that worked OK.
Which cable did you get and how does it connect to the Computer? Usb-C or Usb regular? (3.x)?
@@OlderGamersPerspective tbh it was off ebay. Its only 2m long aswell. Its rated at 40 giga flops on the cord but only says 3.6 in oculus software. Thunderbolt cable for my external 3060ti is only 2.8... its decoding thats the issue not really the cable. Unless you've got a naff one. These cables run far faster than your pc or hardware.
I have my sim rig on the other side of the room to my PC, so a 2 meter cable is not really an option. I will have to save that for when I have a dedicated PC for sim racing.
The more wide open the space (eg. the further & more of the horizon you can see) the worse the performance in iRacing.
I thought that as well at Virginia International, the wide open sky is very... well... wide and open as you come round that problem corner. But, if you move a few feet forward, the problem goes away, looking at the same sky, reverse up again, the problem comes back again.
It is something about that corner, and it's not the only course in iRacing that has something un-optimised going on in specific places.
Fortunately, with the 4070 at 72Hz, this no longer seems to be a problem.
Until Tempest arrives, of course ....
perhaps could drop the resolution to 1x and have more fps headroom even at 90hz
In an update to this video I found some more performance in the 4070 super. Take a look here - ruclips.net/video/aVIZTyNFXEI/видео.htmlsi=icRgageV86GzTQiV
and in that video I now show how to setup at 90Hz, at 1.5x, with some very cool iRacing settings.
And if I have performance issues (rain/cough/rain) then I drop to 72Hz.
I want to upgrade but with rtx 5000 coming out q4 or q1 I see no point in buying one now
That's fair enough. It's a judgment call. My call was that I didn't want to wait, as I've never really been much good at that. Been the same since I bought my first PC in the mid 90's. In that time, I have sometimes waited for upgrades to appear, and sometimes they have, and sometimes they didn't, and sometimes when they did they were not worth waiting for, and sometimes they were.
I think what I am trying to say is that we each must make our own decisions. For me, the system I had built last year felt like it was being held back by the 3070, and now I have the 4070Super in there, it really is suddenly like having a new computer.
This video I made here is not accurate, and I made a follow up where I optimised my PC to better use the 4070 Super and boy does it now fly :)
@@OlderGamersPerspectivewhy didn't you go for a higher end card over the 4070 super?
the 4070Super was the first to be released, but it was also one that was in my budget. The others were taking me north of that amount and I am careful not to stray from my own self defined boundaries on how much I should spend on Simracing.
i got 5900x plus 4070 super it works perfectly even for 4k
Hi, thank you for the comment.
I guess we are talking about flat screen games and not VR? If so, what are you running at 4k? Be interested to know for myself.
i went from 1080 GTX to 4070TI what a personal leap
That's cool :) What are you using for a display?
@@OlderGamersPerspective 3440x1440 p ulrawide 2k monitor. Think 2k monitor is the sweetspot for not becoming to heavy for the GPU
Nice. I used one of these at the ADAC sim racing expo, and it was an awesome way to race. Yeah, unless you can get a 4090 and an i9 or an AMD equivalent, 2k is the current sweet spot for gaming in my view. But who knows what it will be in a few years time.
I run Iracing at 100% resolution with a G2 reverb. Stable 90fps even with 40AI. There really is no need to run at 72hz, especially with a freaking 4070S :-/ (edit - forgot to mention here I'm running on a much slower 2080S :)
I can run at 90Hz, and there is some headroom there, but it's track dependant and I am predicting at this point, that when Tempest Hits iRacing, that headroom will shrink.
I can also run 90fps, with 60 Ai, and have some decent settings, but, only if I pick the right track. If I pick a demanding one, I can still run it at 90Hz, but I will see dropped frames in certain areas that are graphically taxing, such as Okayama with it's new 3D curbs.
Just to be clear - I get a stable 90fps at every track, also at Okoyama and Virginia for example. Right at the start with a full AI grid. Personally I found the difference between 72hz and 90hz huge, smoothwise. I just checked your Iracing settings and you even have a lot set to Low and foliage off - I have foliage on high for example. I'm not sure if it's the Link connection bottlenecking everything for you, but really, if my 2080S can handle a stable 90fps there is no reason to run this at 72hz with a much better GPU. Not trying to be a smartass btw :D I just feel that you're losing some serious performance somewhere. The G2 even has a higher resolution than the Q3.. Are you running in OpenXR and using ToolkitXR? Especially with ToolkitXR you can get a great performance boost by using ffr. Iracing is also quite CPU heavy, which CPU are you using? @@OlderGamersPerspective
Then I am very happy for you. Speaking with others on the forums, problems with Okayama and Virginia are not uncommon, and everyone has different systems, so there is something up with these tracks. But if it's not happening to you, like I say, I am very happy for you. Does the G2 connect with a USB cable or a HDMi?
The difference in 72 and 90Hz is a subjective one, some people notice it, others (me for example) don't. It's just the way it is. I haven't seen much difference in trying different cables on my system, perhaps the issue is with the length of my cable, which has to be fairly far away from my PC due to space issues where I have my computer.
I don't think you are being a smart arse, but you have to accept that some people have a different setup, and so are going to get different results. So far, these are the results I have on my machine. it would be nice to improve on that, and I will try, but my view of the 4070Super being a small improvement over the 3070 will probably stand.
I'll take another look at this, with the setup as is, and see if I can squeeze some more performance out of it, but so far, this is pretty much what I have seen other people getting on their systems. I am running an i5 13600k on DDR4 ram with an NVME for my OS and another one for my games.
I will try OpenXR toolkit at some point, probably also make a video about it.
Thank you for the feedback and for paying close attention to my video.
Okayama and Virginia are more demanding for me too, I had to decrease some gfx details to also get 90fps there. The later tracks from Iracing are more demanding, though Virginia for example became less demanding again after it was updated/patched a couple of times.
The G2 connects directly with my 2080S display port, but the differece between that or Link/VD is not that extreme. It differs per game but some games weirdly enough run better on my Q3 with Virtual Desktop than with my G2, like Dirt Rally 2 for example. I guess some games don't run that well with WMR, which the G2 uses.
Ofcourse every machine is different - I just mentioned this trying to help you figure out where the bottleneck is. The 4070 (not S) is already something like 50% faster than my 2080S. I use a I9 9900 so your i5 13600 is a bit faster too.
Using OpenXR/ToolkitXR helps a lot (setting up ToolkitXR gave me something like a 15% performance boost), I suggest Wanderschikanen.tv here on RUclips, he has a great setupguide for that. Also curious if the performance would be better for you using VD instead of Link.
Hope you figure out how to increase your performance a bit more. And yep.. when the rain update comes I'll have to fork out the $$$ for that 4090 too :-/ ;)
@@OlderGamersPerspective
You should really try the openxr toolkit, really help when have a slower gpu (as me, 3060ti) and the foveated rendering helps a lot. I have the g2 who has bad sweet spot so lowering resolution where it already are bad is a good idea 👍
Appreciate the effort benchmarking for VR - a lot of work. G2 here on 3070/5800x3d combo - iRacing only. Couple of things I noticed, when selecting different refresh rates while the render resolution was consistent , there is a factor underneath the x * y resolution , the higher the refresh rate you selected the higher that factor. I am ignorant how meta works but is that slider perhaps increasing the resolution too ? This would def hurt FPS for higher refresh rates as its pushing more pixels. Also someone else said if you maxed settings in iRacing, iRacing restart is required for some settings to take effect - you might have done that of course. Just curious , looking to upgrade to provide some headroom for Tempest as well , worried how much perf we will lose in VR. Hey @chrissimpson1098 :)
I'm running the same combo. 3070/5800x3d/G2. My 4070 super will be here Thursday. I'll keep you updated.
I'm also iRacing only
I am not an expert, but I can tell you that increasing the slider does cause an increase in resolution. You can see this by the position of the black boxes, and also what sort of magnification the UI needs. It does add to the performance headroom (or rather it subtracts from it) and if you want to need a better performance rating for you headset, you are best to try lowering the slider. When I was using the 3070, I used to have the slide at 1.3x, sometimes lower.
I have experimented with the settings in iRacing and from my own personal observations, I can tell you that some stuff can be changed without restarting iRacing (most of the stuff on the left for example), but things like Anisotropic filtering, MSAA, Dynamic object shadows, and Anti Aliasing, for example, all require the sim to be restarted in order to take effect.
I've just been doing a whole load of new tests, to see which one has the biggest overhead (spoiler, it's MSAA at 8x), and will be publishing that video soon.
Your 3070 would benifit from a copper mod. It could drop temperature by 20 c to 30 c
I thought about it, but the system it was in was critical to my other work, so I couldn't afford the time to do this. Maybe now I have it out of the system I can consider this.
You didn't have to change anything to make the 4070 work? I was told my motherboard would need to be changed for for a 4080 I have a 3080ti
I didn't have to change anything to my motherboard, just install new drivers, and I found a clean install helped a lot on that. I explain more about that in the video I released today.
When you say your motherboard would need to be changed, do you mean the drivers would need to be updated or that the motherboard itself would need to be replaced.
@OlderGamersPerspective I was told I would need a new motherboard to get a 40 series to work. Not sure if this is true. I'll have to look at your new video. My PC is pretty good 5800x3d and 3080ti 128 ddr4 new from déc 22 just before the 40 launch.
My mainboard is only a year old, so I guess it would depend onwhat the mainboard you have is. I have to say, if it is running the 380ti, I am wondering why it won't run a 4070super. weird. Do you have the model number?
@OlderGamersPerspective I'll check it out I'm not a PC wiz but if I were to upgrade would be fore 4080 s or 4090 I'll get you the model
@OlderGamersPerspective off of the tech specs it's an AMD X570 Chipset
My next upgrade will be a GPU, I am a Sim racer myself, But running a 3060 12gb, And now the 4060 is the same price or nearly the same as I payed for the 3060, lol I just upgraded my PC case, A MSI Mag Forge 320r, Amazing case, 70 pounds with 4 fans, And it will fit the 40 series with room for 11 fans if need be, lol, I will be running 8 and I do think 8 is plenty lol, I highly recommend the MSI PC cases, Even the 100 version is meant to be bad ass, But the MSI Mag Forge 320 is a stunning PC case, You can even do the GPU on the side if need be, But with fans under the GPU, I think it actually looks better....
Yeah the GPU will be my next upgrade and seeing the 4060ti that is 16gb for 400 pounds is sort of a bargain for someone like me, I only is a part time Sim Racer but is getting good and wants to start racing full tracks but the 3060 do struggle with a full line up of cars, Even if it is 12gb, I play on a 4K 55inch TV, So Yeah the 3060 is starting to lag, Still a fantastic card when in low or medium settings but again the more cars the more the FPS is knocked so I might just pull the plug on a 4060ti or the super, The 4070 or 4080 is out of the budget, Thanks for this though now I know the 4060 is the price it is, lol, And people say the 4060 is crap card, How can it be when it is 16gb, Surely that is enough to cope with games out now....
I have never used a 4060 or a 3060, so I can't comment, but I can imagine that if you keep the refresh rate at 72Hz, and stay realistic about what settings you can turn on, and which to leave off, then you should be fine. But it does feel like 4k might be your problem. That's a lot of pixels for any GPU to push.
damn you upgraded to a whole generation and a bit and you still don't have enough vram for modern games?
You are in the 16gig or nothing camp?
yep, 12 gigs will age like milk even for 1080p given how unoptimized games have been recently, it's either and rx 6600 that im planing to upgrade soon or a gpu with 16 gigs @@OlderGamersPerspective
I think that's a cool move. I don't agree with the opinion that you must have 16gig, at least not at the moment. Maybe when 4k becomes standard, but right now, I am doing fine with 12gig.
BTW - I created an update to this video, where I found some more performance and now the 4070Super rocks my world :)
@@OlderGamersPerspective nope, not when 4k becomes the standard, thats when 1440p becomes standard, and that time is fast approaching, 12gig cards are only good for 1080p if you want a card that lasts
@@takik.2220 I don't agree with this opinion. I'm playing a ton of games at 1440p, all at ultra or at least high and they look fabulous. The rise of 1440 is happening, it is almost standard, but 4k is a way off.
Great recap and it's a shame that iRacing still has this obvious drops in performance on parts of many tracks. iRacing have that problem too many years and for the most expensive game on the planet that's not acceptable and one reason why I'm out. Would be better to have a headset with proper DP-port and from my Pimax 8KX I can tell, the CPU headroom is far larger than with my Pico 4. Can't recommend the 8KX for too many other reasons. Thanks to my G9, 4080 and 13600k I'm used to high refreshrates even on ultra and my favorite titles (FM, WRC) have no VR- support anyway, so back to pancake-mode for now.
Hi, thank you for commenting.
I've no experience with the 8KX, but I'm interested, what was the issues there?
iRacing does have some issues, with performance, but today I have been testing some new drivers for the RTX 4070Super and OpenXR toolkit, and that really does seem to make a difference. Video of this to follow soon :)
Engjoy the pancake mode, sometimes, you just have to be old school. I feel that way when I play Baldurs Gate 3 :)
@@OlderGamersPerspective Getting the 8KX even to run was a pain, but setting it up without experiencing double vision and just whispering or no audio another. I also had many issues with the lighthouse-tracking because it sucks with the 8KX.
And to me: I went from flat to VR to flat to VR to flat again. I know all the dark sides and there are too many which you actually proved. Doing so much testing just for a thing that should work is just painful and kills time. The 4090 seems to be the only GPU nowadays that can run VR almost like flat today, but I know from my 4080 it's basically a heater I hate to turn on during summer and some other seasons.
Bloody hell. That's awful. I know what you mean about spending more time testing that racing or flying. It really does suck the joy out of VR, and I had thought, a while back, perhaps I should get a Pimax, with a high res display, and see what all the fuss is about. After reading your journey, I will probably give it a miss.
I think my distant dream will be to build a VR PC, one dedicated just to VR and connected to a Headset with a HDMi or DP output. But that's a long way off, and now that I have read your comment, won't be including a Pimax.
Perhaps, with the release of the 50 series, we will see some cooperation between video card makers and VR makers, and someone will allow us to use a card that doesn't cost two grand. I love watching other youtube channels, but it makes me sad when they talk about graphical optimisations using a 4090.
@@OlderGamersPerspective Pimax fixed I think all 8KX issues with the Crystal other than the weight, but IMO a 4080 is like minimum requirement and 4090 recommended to have some performance headroom.
Damn, I was looking at the 8KX, but I guess I will give it a miss. We really need a wide FOV headset in the market. And of course a graphics card to power it that doesn't cost the earth.
UserBenchmark, as in not only for april fools userbenchmark.
Not a fan of Userbenchmark?
@@OlderGamersPerspective not at all. they seem to have a vendetta against AMD so therefore I hhave to wonder if they were fired by AMD or maybe they are being paid by intel.
@@Hjominbonrun Yeah, I kinda noticed that when I was reading some of the summaries at the end of the comparison, but I thought I was just reading too much into it. But yeah, there did feel like a clear dislike for all things AMD.
It's never worth upgrading 1 generstion the the next one, you want at least 2 and ideally 3-5 generations between upgrades
Never is a big word and a long time. It depends would be my answer. I like new technology, have done since I built my first PC in '95, and I could afford to buy this card (now that bit mining is no longer a thing).
I get what you are saying, for most people, getting the next generation after, skip one, buy one, makes a whole lot of sense. Look at how many 1070ti users were still top of the polls on steam for how long? So it can be done, and probably should be done by most people.
But for me, it was a different story.
BTW - I did a follow up video to this one - find it here - ruclips.net/video/aVIZTyNFXEI/видео.htmlsi=sQxUXLPJo0U85vAr
where I found a whole lot more performance, and was able to turn up iRacing to 11. :)
I have very good settings for ACC on a video + addendum on my channel. They are not for VR but they are for anyone looking for great graphics sqeezing all possible Fps out.
Cool, I will check it out. Can you link me to the video? I am still finding my way with ACC.
@@OlderGamersPerspective
ruclips.net/video/YEDXZ52Yj8A/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/JvqqcCW6mQw/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/Ozui2aOeilY/видео.html
@@RacingPCs Thank you. Much appreciated.
rtx 3070 on 2,7 ghz is cable or usb power thing no gpu thing
yes, you are right. I am trying to figure out a cable that will do better. I tried putting in a a USB card (PCIE one), but this lowered the reading to 1.3! On a good day I get 2.7, but mostly it seems to be happy at 2.6. I need the cable to be 3 meters long, at least, due to the positioning of my rig relative to my PC.
With the power of the 3070 i dont see why you didnt just wait until the 5000 series. This just really doesnt seem worth it at all
Thank you for the comment. You are essentially correct, and I believe I say as much in the video, except for a couple of extenuating reasons. Firstly, I was concerned the 3070 was bottle necking my system, due to the 8gig ram and the fact that it used a lot of energy and got very hot doing so. Secondly I have software (outside of sim-racing) that takes advantage of AV1 codec, and for this I need the 40 series.
I was tempted last year by the 4070, but not convinced. A year of using the 3070 with the 13600k caused me revaluate this, and look again at the 4070, and at that moment, the super series came out, with a better price ticket (not a fantastic one, but it is what it is), and the moment was right to jump to this card.
I could have, and perhaps should have, waited for the 50 series, and that's the conclusion I reached in this video, that coming from the 3070 to the 4070Super was probably not the smart move, but at the same time, I needed the features of a 40 series card, and I didn't want to wait a year for the 50.
Plus, in my next video, I take a deeper dive into the 4070Super, with iRacing (and hopefully AMS2 and ACC in the following videos), and find ways to get great performance with this card. Certainly better than you see here.
im loving the boomer take "the 4070 has much more faster stuff"
Edit - after watching the video, id look at your cpu. looking at the performance, yes, you're getting extra frames and head room from the more powerful gpu but i think you've got a slight cpu bottleneck. iracing is extremely cpu heavy, i noticed a massive difference when upgrading from a mid range to a high end cpu
I like to keep it uncomplicated ,,😎
i went from 3070 to 4080 super 😃
Excellent. Which one did you get and what do you use it for? Games or content creation? Or both.
@@OlderGamersPerspective gaming, mainly microsoft flight simulator
How you doing with MSFS and the 4070Super? I find that one killed my system no matter what I did, but I also struggled to get into it. I think I am more a fly and fight type of guy, cruising at altitude is fine, sometimes, but I don't always have time for a long flight. If you see what I mean.
The new flight sim on the way looks cool though.
@@OlderGamersPerspective the 3070 was ok on medium settings. the 4080 super i can crank all the settings up to high or ultra on 4k. for VR it's solid on medium to high settings
do you use the FOV tangent setting in the ODT to get high at 4k in MSFS? and what refresh rate are you using?
Your cpu is the whole problem. I have better fps with my 3070 than your 4070 super. Iracing is very single task cpu related. If you have ram properly tuned it you have an ufo.
Hi, thank you for commenting. Cool user name BTW - reminds me of when I saw that film back in the late 90's.
So, the intel 13600k CPU is not the problem. I found it was in fact a combination of driver issues from NVidia, and some poor optimisation on my behalf.
I cured the driver issue by downloading the latest and using NVClean to install a clean version of it.
I solved the optimisation issues by making some further adjustments to the Nvidia Control panel, and installing Tweak GPU III and allowing my 4070Super, OC version to enjoy it's 10% OC capability. Doing this I saw a 12% increase using the Speedway test in 3D Mark.
This then allowed me to run iRacing at 90Hz and at some pretty aggressive graphic settings. I created a new video where I go through all of this, you can find it here:
ruclips.net/video/aVIZTyNFXEI/видео.htmlsi=kOklbIQ6ODx0Y3vY
In that video, I used a Go Pro, sitting in front of my monitor, to record a CPU Usage gadget with the iracing screen next to that so you can see what's happening (I used a go pro to avoid impacting on the results of measuring the CPU ).
This showed the 13600K was using one thread for iRacing, and rarely went above 50% usage.
This was measured with an online race (not an Ai Race), and proves this CPU can handle iRacing at high settings, and it's the GPU that takes the brunt of the performance curve.
Not sure what you meant by "tuning my RAM". If you mean, have I changed the XMP profile in my mainboard bios to access the higher ram speed available to me? Then yes, I did that when I first built my computer and the RAM is running at it's top spec'd speed.
A few people have mentioned to me that the 13600K might not be enough for iRacing in VR, but that simply isn't true. At least at the moment, before rain in the form of the Tempest generator arrives! After that, who knows.
You 13600k cpu is perfectly fine those people are talking crap. I thiought you were using an older i5 cpu which is not the case. You only need to get proper high quality ram and than manually tune it. You will get way better results than xmp profile. Have a look at Framechasers youtube channel you can see there why tuning ram can have a gigantic impact on your performance. Especially for 1% lows will get way better too. Im glad you get that 90fps now. Take care :) at the end of the day its each their own. Im a sucker for improving my performance by tuning ram everything and overclocking my cpu. @@OlderGamersPerspective
Hi, thank you. I have set up the XMP profile on my ram, but it is just DDR4, so I guess I will have to wait a bit until I can create a DDR5 system. Thinking about trying an AMD 3d chip for that one, just to see what all the fus is about :)
Im using ddr4 too im using b die ram running at 4000mhz. they are originally 3200mhz with xmp but because they are they b die they can easily be clocked higher with the right voltage. Take care.@@OlderGamersPerspective
I'll probably not push the ram on this system as I need it also for work and content creation, which can be a bit precious about overclocking and not work at all. BUT....
I am planning to build a PC dedicated rig, probably an AMD CPU/GPU combo, and that would be a good candidate for pushing the ram a bit more.
B-die ram I have not heard of...
I had the 3070 before and I watched your video to make a decision on getting the next VR GPU. I had to sacrifice a lot and go bankrupt to get the 4070ti Super 😅. I also prefer 72hz with VR racing and With this GPU, it is buttery smooth. Thanks to your comparison video, I made the best decision for my VR joy ☺. As a thanks you earned a sub from me!
Hey that's great. Glad to help. Although not so good news on the bankrupt side of things, but hopefully it will work out fine.
Check out my other video on the Older Gamers discord channel, there is a link there to the group, and it's worth you joining so you can ask questions about performance and so on. RUclips tends to be a slower way to communicate.
Good group of people on that discord channel, with a lot of knowledge on simracing and VR.
@@OlderGamersPerspective thanks! Will check that out 👍
A-zeus?
Hello, your comments sent me on a massive rabbit hole to figure out how to pronounce this company name. Far as I know, it's a common pronunciation in the UK (can't speak for the rest of Europe), but Asus have handily made a video to explain how exactly it should be pronounced :)
ruclips.net/video/fLmuYHaIK0E/видео.html
@@OlderGamersPerspective ha ha nicely researched. I’m in the US and have only ever heard it pronounced AY-suss.
I know. Right? But apparently, it's said different all over the world.
3070 to 4070s is a very bad upgrade, if it was at least 4070ti/tis then maybe.
Very bad is subjective. If it suits the needs of the person buying it (for me it did), and they can afford it (I can), and it solves an issue they were having that stopped them getting full enjoyment from their computer equipment (I felt the 3070 was a bottleneck and I was proved right by my tests - see follow up video to this one), then I think it makes sense.
Your millage may vary. For most people who have a 3070, as I said in the video, it probably makes more sense to wait for the 50 series. I am not good at waiting, and didn't want to, so I jumped on the 4070Super the moment I could order one, and to be honest, the improved performance and graphics (again, see follow up video to this one - ruclips.net/video/aVIZTyNFXEI/видео.htmlsi=sQxUXLPJo0U85vAr ) has give iRacing a graphical new lease of life.
I can and do play at 90Hz, with lots of graphical settings turned up to 11.
For me, it's a good upgrade. but as I say, it's not going to be for everyone.
@@OlderGamersPerspective "very bad" not in abstract, but in practical value/dollar metrics, for lower price you could have gotten 7800xt or for a similar price even a 7900xt on a good sale.
Not to mention 4070s is "good value" only compared to 4070 and getting a 4080s is not that impractical depending on the application.
1st lesson, always buy the top when upgrading.
12GB is not enough. 20GB is a minimum nowadays as games are using more and more.
My Radeon 6800XT which is 2 years old, at least, has 16GB.
Hate to rain on your party.
Hi, thank you for commenting. Don't worry my friend, you are not raining on my party, you are just giving an opinion, and that's something I encourage in the comments of this channel.
That being said, I think 12Gb is going to do me just fine for my own personal needs, and my experience, as an older gamer of the last 40 odd years, is not to buy the top when upgrading, but to buy the best that you can afford. And this is what I have done.
The Radeon 6800XT is a sweet card. Enjoy :)
IF YOU HAVE 17.4 BILLION TRANSISTORS INSTEAD OF 35.8 BILLION YOU ARE A 3070, NOT A 4070 SUPER, NO MATTER WHAT YOU CALL YOURSELF. THAT'S THE SCIENCE. FACT!!!
okay dokey.
Why would any sane person upgrade from 3070 to 4070 ? it should be 3070 to 7070 or higher, otherwise you just wasted money.
Hi,
Money wasted is subjective!
I enjoy new technology and can afford to invest in it, and I do, if I like what I see, and if it does actually give me a boost to performance, which the 4070Super does. This brings me joy and anything that brightens ones day is never a waste of time or money.
I have bought stuff for computers in the past (three decades and counting of using PC's) that has been both a waste of my time and money, but the 4070Super is neither, so that's cool.
To wait for the 7070 series, assuming it's going to be called that in the year 2030 would mean struggling with a 3070 for a half a decade more, and to be honest, why would I want to do that. At my age, I might even be dead when it arrives, and as you can imagine, upgrading from beyond the grave could prove tricky.
What an upgrade SHOULD be is subjective to each individual user.
Your needs and wants are different from mine.
In other words, I'll do me & you do you :)
Peace.
@@OlderGamersPerspective Hi,
No!
It's not an investment.
Struggling to do what ? don't worry 4090 struggels right now in many cases.
No, upgrading like this only results in low quality/ low effort products that we are all suffering from.
In other words, you can upgrade ro do whatever you want but if it's public, then prepare to deal with other reactions.
War.
@@0A01amir Sorry, but I don't agree with your opinion, and I don't agree with your assessment on low effort products, but you are of course welcome to state it, and of course I am prepared to deal with peoples reactions, as I am dealing with yours right now. I don't agree, what can I tell you? You have one opinion and I have another. That's just how it is. Have a great day.
@@OlderGamersPerspective We can agree or disagree all day long, doesn't change the fact that rewarding a bad product with more money (and then making video out of it and advertize it as something good) will cause this mess that we are in.
You don't reward bad failth. Have a nice life.
In your opinion this is true. Opinions are not facts.
Let's just accept that PCVR performance is still disgustingly pathetic. iRacing looks like hot garbage even with a 4090. Either they need to dramatically improve the efficiency of VR headsets, or it will likely be the 7 or 8000 series of video cards before we get acceptable performance where you don't need to turn everything to low still. 🙄
Take a look at my follow up video - ruclips.net/video/aVIZTyNFXEI/видео.htmlsi=zjo8ydS2AfDLgvW6
Here I optimised my system and found a lot more power in the 4070Super to run iRacing with most of the settings at HIGH. And it looks great. VR is something I fall in love with every time I play it, and it's something I will be playing for sometime to come.
Will it improve over the years? Sure. But in the meantime, it really is a lot of fun and very immersive. You should try it.
Very disappointing. Especially since VR standard is often 90hz minimum
It was a little disappointing for me, considering how much the 4070 cost, but it does feel like the software developers are partly to blame for this issue. What I need to do is test more types of games with this card and find out if the 72Hz ceiling I encountered in sim racing is endemic across all PCVR games.
I used to have the same issues sim racing but the card can run the game at 90hz. You need to dial in open XR settings.i.used to run 90hz with decent graphics on on 6650. Unfortunately with VR unless you buy a 4090 it won't be great especially in acc.
@@OlderGamersPerspective I was going to go to a 4070 ti super from a 2070 super but this isn't a good enough improvement for me and the 4800 is a big jump, I might end up waiting for the 5000 series or hoping AMD gets their drivers optimized
I've had a bit of break through, found my system was underperforming due to some stuff knackering out my GPU in the background, and I am re-running the tests. New video should be out soon, in that I test exclusively at 90Hz.
I could never stand 3 fan designs. Unappealing and large.
Yes. I was worried about 'only' having two fans, but it does seem to perform as well, if not better, than the three fan solution that was my old 3070.
@@OlderGamersPerspective btw u have that National Geographic documentary quality of voice. Very nice to listen to, makes anything seem way more professional haha