Hi Vex, the 2 slots are not there for anythig to be solder onto them. Memory chips can work in 32 or 16 bit modes... and so on. 320(bit) / 20(GB RAM) = 16 256 / 8 = 32 256 / 16 = 16 192 / 6 = 32 192 / 12 = 16 ...and so on. That gives you a picture of what is possible. You can cheat a bit but then you get situation like with GTX970 where some of the VRAM works much slower than it should. (192 / 16 = 12 so this is not viable) Hope that helps!
Amazing Video like always. Please make video about Nvidia Gen to Gen peformance and price diffrence . Because RTX 4070 Ti shoud be named RTX 4070 and priced at 550-600$ from the beginning . Like we RTX 3070 was faster the RTX 2080 by 20% and now RTX 4070 has same RTX 3080 performance . RTX 4070 Ti is better then RTX 3080 by 20%. Nvidia missleading by using wrong names and higher prices . Even power draw efficiency is lie because RTX 3070 has 220 watt TDP and RTX 4070 Ti (the real RTX 4070) has the same power draw and the same goes on for the rest of GPU's.
Anything looks good compared to previous 40 series cards. They are all overpriced. comparing a bad price to a bad price is still a bad price. Also your channel has come a long way from 1k subs! Grats on your growth, your great, keep it up, more subs will come!
@@dontsupportrats4089 Yeah let's wish they go back to track in next RTX 5000 and i wish AMD wake up and make reboot like they did with Ryzen CPU and i hope Intel make good GPU too so we see good competition to make the performance better for less money . Thx bro i just dropped my channel i just did it for fun when i was playing Battle royale hhhh
But if you are potentially about to spend 600-700 $ or £ on a graphics card shouldn't spending 40 or 50 minutes (at least) researching the product be the very thing you SHOULD be doing?
@@defnotatroll yep this kind of content is stealing viewers for sure, and it's lower effort too, just take results from others and summarize it. Just like chat those chat GPT AI that take people ideas, writing and summarize all of it
Nah I have to agree with TheMicj38, you really need to spend time on stuff like this. If you are planning on buying something at this price point and only do the bare min research its on you if you get burned.
Yes, they are both trying to just slightly be faster than the other to say they're better, so they can then have the higher price. Nvidia could have sold the 4080 for 750$ and instantly win the generation, but they decided since it's predicted to be faster than AMD's flagship then they may as well charge more than what AMD would charge for their flagship. They're just trying to squeeze more money out of less and less consumers. The reason they often show big improvements (especially Nvidia for counting FG as real FPS) over last gen is to say to people who haven't upgraded "look how bad your GPU is now, you need to upgrade!". Jensen Huang himself directly addressed GTX 1000 owners saying "it's safe to upgrade" at the launch of Ampere, which is the exact moment I realised Nvidia went corrupt. AMD isn't doing much better, just copying some of Nvidia's homework and switching it up and making it marginally better. Hopefully Intel Battlemage can give Huang and Dr Su a reality check.
@@Crazicali hope the battlemage is insane value and rocks the market. We need the market to reset in a good way for consumers. Well see though. Theres a ton of potential in the mid range market as thats where a majority of pc gamers hang.
@@ElJewPacabrah It wont be because they'll only be releasing the base model due to it being too 'expensive' to have multiple cards. At least that's what they're saying for now.
AMD wants to get rid of RDNA2 stock, and from now untill rdna4 they will want to get rid of rdna3 stock. My prediction is massive cuts when rdna4 is released, and rdna4 will bring current highend performance for midrange prices. Then when RDNA5 is out, the 8800xt/8700xt will become "budget"/ low midrange cards, and the 9xxx cards will be a new tier of performance at nvidia prices. Meanwhile there will be apus as powerful as the 6600/6650xt with zen 6 / ddr6 which will have 64-128GBps bandwith per dimm
@@Crazical I understand why Nvidia behaves this way, as they have 80%+ of the dedicated GPU market share and they can get away with it. It just doesn't make sense why AMD refuses to put out better value cards and start moving units to gain some ground on Nvidia. They aren't even trying to compete in this space. They seem content to let Nvidia dominate them and at this rate even Intel could eventually surpass them. We need some of that innovation from the CPU side
ram and ginpped bus and bet you next gen will have another feature that will make the current one obsolete at least if you are stupid enough to buy ngreedia in the first place. i have both ngreedia and amd and wish all were amd....
And AMD uses more VRAM than Nvidia even on GPUs with the same amount of VRAM. Perhaps you should ask why. In some scenarios the difference be well over 1GB on a 8GB Nv vs 8GB AMD GPU. Why is this? Is AMDs compression just that bad? Nvidia doesnt seem to need as much VRAM. Regardless. If you're a muppet that have to play everything on ULTRA (no reason to do so) then you should reconsider. Also 3 years from now, textures on Medium will be what todays Ultra is. So it doesnt matter. UNless you're a pixelpeeper at 4K. People rave about VRAM a lot. But in 99% of the scenarios, you wont notice adifference between texture qualities unless you literally stand still and pixelpeep. From a normal viewing distance of 60-80cm then you wont notice a lick of a differnce between todays High and Ultra. All you're doing is getting upset about something you're not really missing out on. Anyway in 3 years from now, judging by todays games, the current 7800xt and 4070 S will be long obsolete in raster anyway.
@@haewymetalI agree with this but it’s a little aggressive lol. I have an 8gb VRAM card and I haven’t had any issues with 1440p gaming even with high textures. The only game that I have been limited by VRAM on is the RE4 remake, which is notoriously VRAM hungry. Even then, it just meant I could only have the textures most of the way to maximum instead of max. I think unless you’re doing path tracing at 4k, 12gb will be plenty for years to come. And if you ARE doing path tracing at 4k, you wouldn’t buy a 4070 in the first place.
A very good 1080p gaming GPU, 1440p looks good as well. 12 gigs feels way better than 8? Could see this being good for longevity if the buyer of these cards stays at the lower resolutions in the future? What I'm thinking is that 4k has been out for a few years and many of us want the muscle to push those pixels going forward. I feel Nvidia had missed the opportunity soaring too high to the sun with Ai. (singed its wings?) Enjoyed the video Vex. Peace!
I guess $600 is the new $300 and $1,600 is the new $900. FYI, Nvidia's overall profit margins are 26%, that's Apple territory levels of monopolistic greed.
@@srobeck77Both are less than 30% COMBINED. NVIDIA knows that they control 70% of the market share, so just through brand recognition alone, they can sell more even if it's marginally worse than its competitors.
The reason there plenty of 4070 super cards in stock at msrp is because people are not willing to buy a 12GB vram gpu at $600 price range. Nvidia skimped on vram and its biting them in the ass. As it should. Only fools buy the 4070 super to upgrade from some 3080 or 6700xt or 6800.
I'm not sure about how much its hitting them. All the people who need like 20+ gb for work-related stuff are forced to buy 3090s /4090s when otherwisely they might just need a lot less performance
I think the card is alright but the price jump is a bit insane for all gpu honeslty and if the 7800 xt drops down to 450. Than it becomes a card that can not be ignore because it gives a solid gpu performance for 1440p ultra gaming. Also if 7900xt drops to 650 or even to 680... Peoples gonna start reccomending AMD for raw performance unless you simply want dlss.
Thing is 4070S will drop to around 550 also and I think having RT options and frame gen puts it ahead. Games are released with bad performance lately dlss is important tbh
@@IncredibleLyrics Yea dlss is a good feature to have but its not gonna break any boundaries yet. I still think DLSS wont become a norm feature thing yet. Having it is a plus but also not having it wont change as much honestly. If I really want something for DLSS, Im getting a 4080 or 4090, thats where the the best DLSS performance is at. But still price for performance 7800 xt is too much of a power house at 450$. If were just talking raw performance without DLSS. 7800 xt. I jsut dont see the incentive to buy a 4070 super for 100$ more just so you can get a 10 percent increase in performance and the feature it have is DLSS. Also if the super 4070 dont drop price to 550 and stay at 600, witrh the ti releasing and 7900 xt at 700 dollar now... when the 4070 ti super is release it may drop down to 670 ... on holiday and for 70 dollar more you can get a 7900 xt and get a huge ... and I mean a huge performance increase. Cause from what I know Nvidia hardly drop prices on their GPU and CPU.
Used 3080s are going for a very good price where I live, for around 400 USD. But the 10gb of vram and the ridiculous power consumption have kept me away. I'm just gonna wait for the 4070 non-Super and 7800 XT to hit the used market.
Power Consumption is not just a thing about price. 100 Watts more also mean 100 Watts more to cool, and that demands better cooling solution, and if they are not better, they are louder.
Great analysis. I don't think the 7800XT needs a price cut though. Couple of reasons why not. My Phathom Gaming card is probably the strongest performing card of all the 7800XTs out there. It's like a run away train when it comes to clock. It just goes up and up resulting in increased performance numberss above what you're seeing in the content creator videos. My 7800XT fps numbers are on par with that of a 4070Ti. I think it could be I've undervolted it is why I'm seeing this. I've seen it boost to 2766MHz no overclock. I've seen TBP as high as 424W without undervolting as well. I don't really care about FSR or RT I care about the raw rasterization. I got a long memory. Second reason the price should remain the same is I remember I bought my 1070Ti back in the day for $500. How much more powerful is a 7800XT over a 1070Ti? So yeah, AMD gave us a more than a fair price imo unlike greedy Nvidia. I will likely never buy Nvidia ever again they've showed us they operate by a culture of greed. That's disgusting. I've bought 4 AMD cards in the past 2 years. I'm itching to pull the trigger on a 7900XT right now and will probably do so. The 7800XT is worth every penny as is.
Yeah, unfortunately when you put it all down on paper the arguments in favor of the 7800XT really aren’t affected much even given how much of a performance bump the 4070 Super makes over the OG 4070. Not too much incentive for AMD to drop prices on that card, or even the 7900XT as those were already in the mid-$700 range. I was thinking about this just prior to ordering a 7800XT a few days ago, I don’t see AMD being that compelled to make any long-standing price drop on it. Maybe incremental changes at most. And I want a reference model anyway, usually the slowest to get any long-standing price drops. Nvidia is likely aiming to raise prices on the 4070 Super to $700+ anyway. Nvidia fanboys will probably pitch in. It’s what they do every generation, every refresh.
IMO RT is still not a feature worth pinning for. Currently the 4090 is the only card I'd consider to have competent RT abilities, otherwise you HAVE to use an upscaler to get anything resembling a good frame rate. Upscalers are great but if you're going for max visual fidelity than it's a no go. If RT is something you're really passionate about, prolly still worth waiting for the next gen of gpus.
I could search up ANY GPU and find numerous sites ripping on it. I have a 4070S so Im biased, but man, I got it for $549 and it sure feels like that price was worth it.
every gpu is 100$ more of msrp for me in romania. the prices haven't budged at all, i hope they will once the 4070ti super and 4080 super get released but i doubt it at least not right away and could take several weeks
How come no one talks about the pathetic less than 5% performance boost between a 6800 XT and a 7800 XT? It's every bit as bad as the 3060 to 4060 yet no one talks about THAT
i have a 7800xt and both a 6800xt, over the last couple months i’ve seen it go more to 10% aswell as being more stable in drops, but you’re right, driver updates are constantly making the 7800xt better at a pretty fast rate, honestly in a year from now it might not be 2-3% from a 4070 super
Don't accept the fact that you need to pay $650 just for a mid-range GPU nowadays. It's part of Nvidia's marketing that makes you think the Super series is a good deal. Back then, with that money, we could build an entire PC with it.
Using 1440p res for a xx70-tier card feels like a kick in the guts when you know in just less than a year newer games will run below 60fps @1440p with this card... and I'm talking about non-RT rasterized performance. It's like there's no future proofing in GPUs anymore. Nvidia is so dominant they're manipulating their releases so that even a generation refresh (like with this Super lineup) makes the last year's releases obsolete.
If you can't handle customizing your graphic settings, then you really should just settle with a console. It will cause you a lot less headache and trouble rather than worrying about maxing out every dog shit poorly optimized new release mediocre "TRIPLE A" game that's going to be released. Once you stop playing "keeping up the the joneses" on graphics card you'll finally be satisfied with a decent card with a little bit of customization
The point why this super update is "bad": Its only for the few PC gamer who are able or willing to pay 600 bucks or more for a graphics cards. How much is this? 5% of the market? 10% of the market? Maybe 15% of the market? Its a nice price drop for the few people who pay usually A LOOOOT money. For all those people this update and price drop is nice. For all folks who still face the not very interesting 7600 or 4060 ... or are even facing the overproced 4060 ti - there is nothing better. At 400/450 you can think about buying the 7700xt but below is quite underwhelming and NOTHING changed there. For me this directly tells us: Nvidia and AMD dont give a shit about the average PC gamer anymore. THIS is what this "update" directly tells me. As one of this average gamers who went up for rather high 400 bucks (RX 6800 non-xt) ... I have the feeling that Nvidia diretly spit in my face and laughed at me. Like they do for years now.
Honestly I just had to return my red devil 7800xt due to a manufacturing error and was trying to decide between another one or the 4070/4070 super. Ive only had a intel arc a770 till I got the 7800xt so I’m pretty neutral when it comes to brands
The contact pads for extra RAM chips are intended so that the same PCBs can be used for GPUs based on AD103 (RTX 4080s and 4070 Ti Supers). AD103 uses the same substrate package layout as AD104 (the chip used for the RTX 4070, 4070 Super, and 4070 Ti), and that substrate includes connections for 2 extra RAM chips but AD104 only has a 192-bit memory bus, so it can't use the extra connections, the other 6 chips use up the whole 192 bits. So the extra connections on the PCB are only usable when an AD103 GPU is used. It's not that the chip is "cut down", AD104 is a completely different chip which physically doesn't have any way to use the extra connections.
Exactly, this is why i dont like it when people talk about things they dont know anything about and jump to assumtions and made up conclusions...this looks just bad for them and he fell for this trap and not for the first time... but its good to see, that i'm not the only one pointing that out. cheers. :)
Bytesizetech explained in a recent video that in order to use >12GB with the 192 bit bus of these GPUs, the GPU should run at lower speeds or just double the 12GB to 24GB, or something like that (don't remember).
@@Adri9570 You cant exceed the 12GB as each chip needs 32bit making it 6 chips à 2GB at a 192Bit interface. The only way would be to use bigger and more expensive Modules, which pretty much do not exist yet...as we just got the 2gig sized ones a while ago. Well yes, you could also try double stacking on the backside aswell, but that brings its own problems and doesnt work very well, if not intentionally made for with the controllers and co. Not to mention the additional power, voltage, phases and generated heat again... The 3+Gig ones will probably only coming with GDDR7 and RTX5000.
i just bought the 7800xt xfx quick, its a good card mw3 170-180fps on max settings, and the colours are far better then my rtx3060ti which i replaced with the 7800xt
PS2 at launch in 2000 was $300, accounting for inflation thats $580 today. A high end graphics card for the price of a console? Pretty cheap to me. But most people are bad with their money.
The 4070 super wins on size and efficiency. No doubt it'll sell to mainstream customers way more than the 7800xt. It fits in any case and works with the tried and true 650w PSU.
7800xt works on decent 600w psu no problems even overcloked with over 300w power, ref model of 7800xt is quite small GPU and 4070 super is not selling good at all..
I upgraded to a 7800xt 2 months ago and I’m very happy with it, waiting for the 4070 super was a option but at the time there was nothing about price or performance, still surprised that the 4070 super is still only 7% faster though.
@@tringuyen7519 that 192 bit memory bus is killer at 1440p or 4k. everyone talks about 12gb of vram and frankly ya its a little low especially for the cost but would still be ok for a while its the memory bus being 192bit that really makes me question why its marketed as a 1440p card because it isnt going to age well and already struggling on newer titles at those higher resolution. 1440p card needs a 256 bit bus at minimum. frankly its obvious the 4060 was suppose to be a new 50 series card and 70 was suppose to be a 60 series card and 4070ti super should have been the 4070 from the start except with original core count.
Been wanting a 7900xt but their prices remained from $770-800 dollars and thats not including tax. When i saw prices drop, i went and got the hellhound for $720. I know prices will gobdien but im okay at that price
Easy to say that, but what matters is performance and value. And at least right now, it looks like 4070S offers a better overall value than the 7800XT unless its price drops. I also worry about 12GB going into the future, but that's just a worry right now, based on speculation and assumption.
@@RobVee.the RTX 4080 super is the highest worth is you have the money but I do agree if you want good graphics card don’t hang to pay to much get the RTX 4070 ti super
That's 700 euro for us in Europe, maybe higher depending on what country you live in and if you can an order delivered at a reasonable price from Germany, spain, maybe France or whatever country you can find a deal 😢, I can get a basic model 7800xt from Germany for about €560... But to buy in Ireland and the cheapest website here is about €640 for a 7800xt... Which really is just a 7800, the 7900gre is what the 7800xt should have been. We really need to be seeing good midrange GPUs to be hitting 350-400 USD before we'll feel we're not being ripped off here, because later this year we'll start to see NVIDIA 5000 series and rDNA 4, so 700 euro on a 4070s is last gen by xmas 2024
I’m about to upgrade from a 1070 to the 7800xt and I have 0 regrets. This is exactly what I wanted for my budget and i’m happy a fairly priced graphics card option exists for what I need
That's completely fair, the 7800xt is a great card, I'm also currently on a 1070 and was thinking about upgrading to a 7800xt for a while, but ultimately I ordered a 4070 super the other day and am waiting for it to arrive this weekend. It mainly came down to raytracing and DLSS for why I chose to go for the 4070 super, it really was close though, I basically decided that I would wait and see how the 4070 super performed in reviews, and if it didn't do well enough I'd have pulled the trigger on the 7800xt (also if AMD aggressively dropped the price to £450 that would have also given me serious room for thought).
I remember when AMD came out with Radeon VII in 2019 which rocked 16GB VRAM reviewers at the time shitted on it heavy . Saying 16GB VRAM isnt need especially when the card couldnt ray trace and stuff . Now 16GB is premium for 1440p and 4K gaming lol . The hate on AMD is real !!
I agree with some of your points but your comment about the extra vram spots on the board aren't for this die. The PCB is mostly likely used for upper range models aswell like the 4080 and upcoming 4070ti super and 4080 super. Those cards use the AD103 die on a 256 bit bus which would support 16gb of vram. The 4070 super physical can't support 16gb as it's a AD104 die on a 192 bit bus, 6 or 12gb is all that gpu can support.
This is nice, but I can't keep giving money to Nvidia when AMD is giving me more to work with on a budget. $50-$100 still means something to the middle of the range.
Gamers should be buying amd cards instead... leave the nivida cards to people who actually do productive things with them... these people who have 4070s and higher are playing games for simpletons like counter stroke, cod, battlefield, ubischiet games...
5:20 Each GDDR6 IC has a 32-bit interface to communicate with the GPU. Since the AD104 chip, used by the 4070, 4070 Ti, and 4070 Super, has a 192-bit interface, you can only connect 6 memory chips at a time to them. To cut costs, that PCB design is also utilized by other cards, like the 4080, and 4080 Super and the 4070 Ti Super, which use the AD103 GPU, which has a 256-bit memory interface that can have 8 GDDR6 chips connected to it, hence the 2 missing slots.
And now that you find a 7900xt nitro+ for 700 euro GL ngreedia ahah only a idiot would pick a 12gb gpu when there's a 20gb at that price and top brand.
apart from jayz2cents, it seems the RT benchmarks are pretty lightweight and make AMD look better than it actually is in RT. Appreciate the meta-analysis! Would be curious to do more of this to identify if any discrepancies do exist between the techtubers
I wish you included the RX 6950 XT as well because out of the used cards, the 6950 XT would be the top dog in price/performance. A 6950 XT is $600 and performs 10-15% faster than the 4070 SUPER at 1440p.
the moment you turn on ray tracing, the 4070 super flushes the rx 6950 XTs head in the toilet like they were in high school. Not to mention Pathtracing, DLSS 3(.5) and Framegeneration
@@aiiacks Yeah try turning those on the 4070 SUPER and get 15-20 FPS... even a 4090 struggles at RT/PT at recent titles such as CyberPunk and Alan Wake 2. Most people only care about raw performance. Also you get 16 GB instead of 12 GB for the same $600 with the 6950 XT which will help out a lot better with frame buffering.
@@laszlozsurka8991 the 4070 super does absolutely not struggle with RT and for PT: thats what DLSS 3.5 is for (you may wanna look into that ;). The rx 6950xt can't even handle simple RT without FSR and it still performs way worse and looks like bs compared to DLSS. 4GB Vram can't fix that... it doesn't even improve the architectural handicap of AMDs cards by a little since they tend to allocate more vram than Nvidias cards (you may wanna look into that too ;)
Yes 6950xt destroys in value too bad its barely in stock for that price. Major caveat is power draw and RT ig, but not many people care about RT I would assume if they're trying to maximize fps/$.
Reviews seemed positive, market reaction might not be so forgiving. 600+ for 12gb vram seems like being followed into the public loo and taken advantage off.
of course it's *that* bad when they call a '60-class' card a "70"-class card, then charge twice what they should for it. It's insanity. The only legitimate '70-class' card is the 4070 Ti Super, but should have been called the 4070. The so-called 40"80" should be called 4070 Super, and the 40"80 Super" should be called 4070 Ti. The so-named 40"90" is the only legitimate '80-class' card and should have been $700.
@@BaldKiwi117 yeah. I just thought it was funny. Even though recent NVIDIA series have slowed in raster progress, somehow AMD is worse. Let's keep it real here
As usual, all the prices and features of all the cards are just high enough to not want to buy anything. LOL. We now have alternating cards at $500, 600, 700, 800 etc and a lot of give and take happening. I am worried about only 12GB but at the same time I still think currently the 4070S looks like the better idea right now. So the 7800XT will drop in price and make it another difficult choice...
Here in Australia, we're getting gouged something fierce. You're paying $600 usd for one, we're paying $720 usd for the cheapest model. yay for "aussie tax"
@@BackSlashJvb125 FE Model costs 659 including tax, but good customs, like the Gigabyte Gaming Oc for example can easily get above 700, but lets see where they land in a few weeks, they are new, so they come full price and even with a premium.
imagine a world where 12vram destroys 16gb in a console. wait nvm, thats reality no need to imagine. numbers lie and so do people pushing an agenda with "numbers"
@@roki977 fun fact, the more socialist a country is, the higher goods cost. U.S. is fast catching up unfortunately. (The Xbox Series X isnt $600 here, its $499 and was on sale all over for $399 through the holidays.) I even seen it briefly for one week for only $349 at Best Buy.
@@srobeck77 series X is round 600 euros +/- 50, S is 280 but GPUs are so expensive its mental. They rasied prices round Christmas and they stayed there so there is no 4070 under 700 euros, super 770, 7800xt 600 to 670 etc.. CPUs can be found for much more normal prices as rest components but GPUs its nuts, Croatia.. Everything i buy here is on discounts, 7800xt i had to buy on credit card bsc they had 10% that day and it was 5% more from shop so i got it under 600, 4 months ago, PC Hellhound..Lots of shop drops listed price by 5% on cash paying also.
*I would take the 7800XT, yes the 4070S might be better now, however with more games using more VRAM as time goes on the 7800XT with the 16GB would be better value. Also, along with that AMD will continue to improve on the software side, FSR etc. long story short the 7800XT will improve in it's life cycle whereas the 4070S with have more issues with limited VRAM*
To be fair, Nvidia also constantly improves DLSS, FG and RR quality. And they also announced Neural Compressed Textures, which may help with that 12GB buffer in the future. We can not be sure what future will bring us, that is the point. And by the time 7800 XT will take advantage of these additional 4 GB, this card may simply become outdated due to the lack of raw GPU power. 🤔
@@AKMcF Yes if they implement games with RT already built into the game then it will be an issue. For the second point I'm talking in context to the video so 1440p gaming.
@@stangamer1151 Yes both will continue to improve, I meant to say AMD has more room for improvement in FSR department. DLSS already looks close to native, AMD is far behind in upscaling, if they can also make it look close to native and remove those shimmers etc then AMD will look more appealing in terms of value.
Blackwell is probably gonna be release at most in Q1 2025, and might have extra memory for lower end GPU, don't waste your money on GPU that gonna be obsolete less than 2 year after release, that rtx 40 super line up is a joke
12gb means you'll have to buy another card only two years or so from now or reduce the texture quality/use upscaling. Which is too much to ask for when you've already paid 600$.
I quit trying to stay up with these new graphics cards, I just sold my RTX 4070 ti and my RX 7900 XTX and downgraded to a 50 dollars RX 580 and a 90 dollar Vega 64 and went back to 1080p Gaming and perfectly happy with the performance. The RX 580 and Vega 64 play just about every game I typically play with no issues at all. I also went back to Windows 10.
Thank you so much for doing this because I do this myself every-time. I watch like 5 different vids on one card, but I’m not really tech savvy enough to say “okay X and Y is something I need to look out for” DLSS vs FSR for example. And I’m rusty on how important VRAM is. Great video. Thank you.
History repeats itself, 20 series meh over 10 series here comes the super cards, now doing 2 gens later nobody seen this coming really....and here we are with super cards again that should have been the current gen all along and people needing to wise up and stop over paying for meh, imo anyone smart depending on your use case just wait for next gen 50 series and w/e amd's next gen is don't waste your money on these nvidia cards especially the 12gb vram nonsense, I can see something funny like a 5070 coming out which will be on 3nm not a big uplift but being 200$ cheaper or something silly like that haha. Edit: if any cards you should be going for and again depending on if you need a card now or in the next few months and what your use plan is ray tracing or not go with AMD's 7800XT or higher cards.
Reason for the missing vram chips on the 4070S is due to the memory bus size. You'd have to double the amount of vram chips to get it working, ie 24GB.
Yeah, I think the 2 slots could be for 8GB (1GB x 8) on this bus cut to 128-bit. The problem is that BIOS for that configuration will never exist. At least outside of nVidia labs. That would be a much worse card though.
the problem with this card is VRAM, 12GB might be enough for today but who knows in 2-3 years? the average consumer doesn't buy 600+ v.cards every 2-3 years the 4070ti super is a better card with 16GB, will last you easly 5-6 years you pay 200€ more (hopefully), but gain 3 years lifespan, its even a better deal than the 4080s with only 16GB. 4070ti super is the best upgrade.
With increase of vram usage in games, obviously the more performance it needs to run. And with that said, you cannot last longer with either cards unless you are using 4090. Even with 16gb vram, the performance will lack for sure if the 12gb gpus face the wall. So, probably chances are 16gb users upgrading their gpu in about similar time as 12gb gpu user.
Pretty sure this is the same calculation that Nvidia did, as well :D. If the 4070 or the 4070 Super were 16GB it would be an absolute beast of a card. But why do it, when you can shake people up for an extra 200 Euro. I was really looking into upgrading my old GTX 1080, to something newer but all of the offerings in the 600-650 EUR segment are sh*t. 4070 and 4070 Super are both 12GB, so good luck future proofing for gaming. 7800 XT is 16GB and has better price, but it absolutely sucks for AI, especially Stable Diffusion, and its Ray Tracing is pretty damn "meh". Not to mention it's a literal non-upgrade from the 6800 XT, which keeps the latter's second hand prices high, while stores that do have new ones, never bother to adjust 6800 XT prices lower. And finally, you have Intel and the A770 16GB which is an absolute steal for work related tasks and makes the AI units on the 7800 XT look like AMD was being sarcastic with their marketing (just looks at some recent SD benchmarks). But it sucks for gaming and even if it *eventually* reaches it's potential to perform like a 3070 (maaaaybe 3070ti-ish), it would still be way too late. So, I'm probably just going to wait on Battlemage and see what Intel has to offer. If they can reach the original 4070 performance, but with 16GB of VRAM, I'll be a happy camper. In the mean time, I'll continue to do most of my gaming using my 4.50 EUR a month Founders plan on Geforce Now.
@@BaldKiwi117 after that long explanation.. does it? That might be the problem with you. However, just think about it. The vram demanding games we will face are likely to be also graphical demanding. It always has been and always will be. Thats why only the 4090 is the winner after all. Its actually future proofing just like 2080ti or 1080ti did. And for future proofing for next couple yrs, the minimum vram req should be 18gb+ about the 4080 super performance. If you still havent changed your mind after all.. i guess you are using 16gb “future proofing” gpu that you think it will last for next couple years ;)
In Europe a PowerColor Hellhound AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT 16GB GDDR6 costs 569€, MSI GeForce RTX 4070 VENTUS 3X E OC 12GB GDDR6 DLSS3 or Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4070 Windforce OC 12 GB GDDR6X DLSS3 costs 619€, Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER WINDFORCE OC 12GB GDDR6X DLSS3 costs 700 €. PCComponentes, It's a 80 € difference between 4070 and 4070 super at the same model and 130€ to the 7800XT
GTX 1070 came at USD 400 with as much VRAM as a GTX 1080 and outstanding performance for its time. We should understand that GreedVidia only listens as result of boycott.
Even if some games have double the fps in Ray tracing over the 7800 xt it's still at an unplayable experience. Ray tracing will only suffice with a 4090 and maybe the 4080
I bought the RX7800 XT in November, and I feel good about the purchase, even after this Super release. However, I would be happy if the Raytracing performance would be a bit better really. Price wise here in Germany, the RX7800 XT goes for ~530€ (cheapest), and the 4070 Super is at 659€ (cheapest)...the normal 4070 is around 580€. If there is not another drop in pricing, the 4070 Super won't sell well.
I've been considering upgrading my 4060 in the future to a 7800xt or 4070 due to the 8gb vram only, so far I've been fine with it but I'm sure 8 will be an issue for me eventually. I very been told I could probably upgrade to the 4070 without changing anything but maybe have to replace the 600 gold 80 psu if I go 7800xt. I wonder if I go 4070 super do you think I'd have to replace things, I have an i5 13400f, asrock b 760m-c mb, 32 gb ddr5 , amethyst ll case, no liquid coolers.
Hate to say it, but looking at the numbers it appears that 4070s is being slightly undervalued for the frame rate delta. This becomes especially true when considering RT. This card straight wins vs anything under $700. AMD is struggling to keep up here, 7800XT is not enough cheaper to account for a 20% RT delta along with a 7-5% rast difference. 3080 continues to be a good value. 7800XT would be super strong option if it drops down to $450 but not before. 7900XT going down to $650 would make it the clear winner here.
@@Frashsibit Upscaling has proven this to be untrue. Even weak cards get good benefit from it. And when you go beyond that $500 price point it's less of a nice "gimmick" feature and more of a hard requirement since you are putting the money down on a expensive component. As price goes up, not having it becomes less of an excuse. AMD is significantly behind in this aspect yet they are charging like they are Nvidia. That aside, it still beats everything sub $700 currently. Nvidia has made this card just cheap enough for it to be worth it while squeezing every cent the can from it. They truly are "Team Green"
The cards are great, the PRICE is horrific. $600 should be MAX for a 4080 super duper TI. With AMD dropping the price of their 7900XT and XTX , AMD is getting closer to what prices should be, still high but getting closer and better value
Excuse me what? The 1080ti had an msrp of 699$ in 2016 that's 900$ in today's money not counting the massively increased cost of RnD and everything in general as everything goes up in price so you can't just say "so the 4080 ti super should be 900$ max" as material went up in price, labor goes up in price, as mentioned above money spent on RnD goes up, 1.3Billion in 2016 and 7.3Billion in 2023 Don't get me wrong I absolutely don't like where this is going either but this is all hard and evidential fact.
Na, it's still a 12GB GPU for 600$+. Not to mention the AIB models that are close or at MSRP tend to be of worse quality than the reference model. So no ty Nvidia.
How often do you buy a high end card? If you want the bells and whistles for years to come, stick a pry-bar in your wallet and get them, or run the risk of regretting it for years and deal with the extra heat generated by AMD cards.
I buy a new card/build ever 5-8 years. Once I start struggling with games on medium setting then its time for a new build. If you're obsessed about ultra maxed out graphics every year you'll be disappointed every year you have to upgrade a card. if you can handle customizing your graphic settings between visual fidelity and FPS you'll be happy. a decent PC build will last you at least 5 years minimum unless you're a real nazi for graphics... and if thats your problem you might as well buy a console PRO version so you can game at 4k and not worry about price For example, a 1080ti still holds its value to this very day, and personally I still have a 1070 and I've upgraded to a 4070s.
This just goes to show how stupid reviewers are mostly. It's almost as bad as mainstream media now, they have their talking points and repeat everything the other guy says verbatim.
I think the 7900 XT is the card for me, Itll do laps around the 3060 Ti I owned. 4070 Ti Super is simply too much even at $899 honestly. 7900 XT can be had for $709 with a free game (Avatar).
Same. It’s not worth it 90% of the time but when it’s discounted it’s discounted HARD. Got one on Prime Day for near around £100 cheaper than the cheapest 4070 ti I could find at the time and I imagine it’ll drop again to undercut the Super when that gets released too.
One I noticed in the video was to call out Amd to lower prices , wow . Asking amd to lower rx7800 xt to $450.00 , ok, but calling rtx4070 super a solid price ????? Wow Ask both companies to lower prices techtubers please , you guys are sending wrong message to viewers that Nvidia is solid , NO they are not , Nvidia still price gouging . Stop defending Nvidia please techtubers , you guys are the problem.
Your right to a degree. I wish both cards are cheaper, just forgot to say it for the 4070 super. Although I did say the 7800 xt is very competitive at $500 so there isn’t a reason to change it. I don’t think the 4070 super will possibly change because the 4070 OG isn’t gonna budge at $550 as far as I can tell
Lets be honest if you think $400-$600 dollars is to much to spend on somethingthat gives you countless hours of enjoyment, you need to get out of your moms basement and up your paper game. People complaining about $600 while having a brand new Iphone, $300 sneakers. I'm only commenting because of RUclips suggesting yet another AMD fanboy channel.
People already willing to pay $600+ for a 12gb vram and 192-bit bus, already did it. And the only thing they are getting from nvidia for their fidelity, is a price cut that hurts they card resale. Honestly, I believe people will buy easily the 4070ti super if is priced at $600, but I believe that at $800, sales are not going to be great. Same thing with the 4080 super, people willing to pay $1,000 for a 15 gb card, already did it or got a 7900xtx instead... Hopefully the sales keep low and the prices will be more reasonable next gen
If you think EU prices are high, here's Brazil's: RTX 4070 S→ R$5410, a full month of work: R$ 1412. So it takes almost 4 months of work to buy it, not spending a single coin for gas, food, energy... So we have to be pretty convinced of which card to buy because it will be our card for the next 5 to 8 years
@ZachalZockt Yeah, and only gets worse. And all the Latin American countries are in a similar situation, buying tech is very expensive. At launch the iPhone 14 Pro Max cost was about 14K R$, or almost a year of work .... I would love to buy something like a 4090 for 2K dollars hahahaha nothing compared to what people around here have to surpass
I don't feel like FSR is as bad as people are saying. Sure it's worse than native resolution, but it's WAY better than the base resolution it upscales from
6:10 I don't know how this works but from watching other reviewers I'm pretty sure the chip the 4070 and 4070 super and 4070 ti use CAN'T have 16Gb of ram. That's why the 4070 ti super uses the same chip as the 4080. Maybe it has to be a multiple of 6 or 3 or something. Perhaps it could have 18gb or 24gb. Just guessing, haven't got a clue, I would have thought a tech reviewer would know. I'm pretty sure I've heard other "pc techtubers" mention it.
just bought my 4070 super :D very excited to get it, as im coming from a 3060 and use a lot of nvidia's creative tools and dlss, looking forward to dlss 3's performance and framegen.
Just check the last video chapter, it's wild
Hi Vex, the 2 slots are not there for anythig to be solder onto them. Memory chips can work in 32 or 16 bit modes... and so on.
320(bit) / 20(GB RAM) = 16
256 / 8 = 32
256 / 16 = 16
192 / 6 = 32
192 / 12 = 16
...and so on. That gives you a picture of what is possible.
You can cheat a bit but then you get situation like with GTX970 where some of the VRAM works much slower than it should.
(192 / 16 = 12 so this is not viable)
Hope that helps!
Amazing Video like always. Please make video about Nvidia Gen to Gen peformance and price diffrence . Because RTX 4070 Ti shoud be named RTX 4070 and priced at 550-600$ from the beginning . Like we RTX 3070 was faster the RTX 2080 by 20% and now RTX 4070 has same RTX 3080 performance . RTX 4070 Ti is better then RTX 3080 by 20%. Nvidia missleading by using wrong names and higher prices . Even power draw efficiency is lie because RTX 3070 has 220 watt TDP and RTX 4070 Ti (the real RTX 4070) has the same power draw and the same goes on for the rest of GPU's.
Anything looks good compared to previous 40 series cards. They are all overpriced. comparing a bad price to a bad price is still a bad price. Also your channel has come a long way from 1k subs! Grats on your growth, your great, keep it up, more subs will come!
@@dontsupportrats4089 Yeah let's wish they go back to track in next RTX 5000 and i wish AMD wake up and make reboot like they did with Ryzen CPU and i hope Intel make good GPU too so we see good competition to make the performance better for less money . Thx bro i just dropped my channel i just did it for fun when i was playing Battle royale hhhh
GREAT IDEA for this video. Congrats man!
You know what this format is great of summarizing reviews because most people don't have to watch 40, 50 min of content on single component
But if you are potentially about to spend 600-700 $ or £ on a graphics card shouldn't spending 40 or 50 minutes (at least) researching the product be the very thing you SHOULD be doing?
@@TheMicj38 if I am not buying right now maybe I am evaluating or comparing
it is fantastic, until the original creators get pissed off at Vex for stealing their viewer numbers
@@defnotatroll yep this kind of content is stealing viewers for sure, and it's lower effort too, just take results from others and summarize it. Just like chat those chat GPT AI that take people ideas, writing and summarize all of it
Nah I have to agree with TheMicj38, you really need to spend time on stuff like this. If you are planning on buying something at this price point and only do the bare min research its on you if you get burned.
i feel like both companies are trying very competitively to not over compete with eachother honestly
Yes, they are both trying to just slightly be faster than the other to say they're better, so they can then have the higher price. Nvidia could have sold the 4080 for 750$ and instantly win the generation, but they decided since it's predicted to be faster than AMD's flagship then they may as well charge more than what AMD would charge for their flagship. They're just trying to squeeze more money out of less and less consumers. The reason they often show big improvements (especially Nvidia for counting FG as real FPS) over last gen is to say to people who haven't upgraded "look how bad your GPU is now, you need to upgrade!". Jensen Huang himself directly addressed GTX 1000 owners saying "it's safe to upgrade" at the launch of Ampere, which is the exact moment I realised Nvidia went corrupt. AMD isn't doing much better, just copying some of Nvidia's homework and switching it up and making it marginally better. Hopefully Intel Battlemage can give Huang and Dr Su a reality check.
@@Crazicali hope the battlemage is insane value and rocks the market. We need the market to reset in a good way for consumers. Well see though. Theres a ton of potential in the mid range market as thats where a majority of pc gamers hang.
@@ElJewPacabrah It wont be because they'll only be releasing the base model due to it being too 'expensive' to have multiple cards. At least that's what they're saying for now.
AMD wants to get rid of RDNA2 stock, and from now untill rdna4 they will want to get rid of rdna3 stock. My prediction is massive cuts when rdna4 is released, and rdna4 will bring current highend performance for midrange prices. Then when RDNA5 is out, the 8800xt/8700xt will become "budget"/ low midrange cards, and the 9xxx cards will be a new tier of performance at nvidia prices.
Meanwhile there will be apus as powerful as the 6600/6650xt with zen 6 / ddr6 which will have 64-128GBps bandwith per dimm
@@Crazical I understand why Nvidia behaves this way, as they have 80%+ of the dedicated GPU market share and they can get away with it. It just doesn't make sense why AMD refuses to put out better value cards and start moving units to gain some ground on Nvidia. They aren't even trying to compete in this space. They seem content to let Nvidia dominate them and at this rate even Intel could eventually surpass them. We need some of that innovation from the CPU side
nvidia are STILL trying to nickle and dime us with RAM
ram and ginpped bus and bet you next gen will have another feature that will make the current one obsolete at least if you are stupid enough to buy ngreedia in the first place. i have both ngreedia and amd and wish all were amd....
That's by design hopping that you upgrade every generation.
@@thepro08man I wish AMD made their own AI upscaler that games used. My only way to get high FPS in the new ARK is with DLSS
And AMD uses more VRAM than Nvidia even on GPUs with the same amount of VRAM. Perhaps you should ask why. In some scenarios the difference be well over 1GB on a 8GB Nv vs 8GB AMD GPU. Why is this? Is AMDs compression just that bad? Nvidia doesnt seem to need as much VRAM. Regardless. If you're a muppet that have to play everything on ULTRA (no reason to do so) then you should reconsider. Also 3 years from now, textures on Medium will be what todays Ultra is. So it doesnt matter. UNless you're a pixelpeeper at 4K. People rave about VRAM a lot. But in 99% of the scenarios, you wont notice adifference between texture qualities unless you literally stand still and pixelpeep. From a normal viewing distance of 60-80cm then you wont notice a lick of a differnce between todays High and Ultra. All you're doing is getting upset about something you're not really missing out on. Anyway in 3 years from now, judging by todays games, the current 7800xt and 4070 S will be long obsolete in raster anyway.
@@haewymetalI agree with this but it’s a little aggressive lol. I have an 8gb VRAM card and I haven’t had any issues with 1440p gaming even with high textures. The only game that I have been limited by VRAM on is the RE4 remake, which is notoriously VRAM hungry. Even then, it just meant I could only have the textures most of the way to maximum instead of max.
I think unless you’re doing path tracing at 4k, 12gb will be plenty for years to come. And if you ARE doing path tracing at 4k, you wouldn’t buy a 4070 in the first place.
A very good 1080p gaming GPU, 1440p looks good as well. 12 gigs feels way better than 8? Could see this being good for longevity if the buyer of these cards stays at the lower resolutions in the future? What I'm thinking is that 4k has been out for a few years and many of us want the muscle to push those pixels going forward. I feel Nvidia had missed the opportunity soaring too high to the sun with Ai. (singed its wings?) Enjoyed the video Vex. Peace!
I guess $600 is the new $300 and $1,600 is the new $900. FYI, Nvidia's overall profit margins are 26%, that's Apple territory levels of monopolistic greed.
Doesnt a monoply mean just 1, so no competitors? AMD is waving hello friend, Im not dead over here. Intel is also waving, but is perhaps dead.
@@srobeck77Go on twitch and check out ten random streamers. See what gpu they have , nvidia or amd.
@@srobeck77Both are less than 30% COMBINED. NVIDIA knows that they control 70% of the market share, so just through brand recognition alone, they can sell more even if it's marginally worse than its competitors.
@@CompressedReassurance monpoly =1, not 70%. Do we need a linear chart as a visual aid?
@@CompressedReassurancemore like less than 20% if we’re talking just discrete GPUs.
Reviewing the Reviewer's is actually a good round-a-bout video for us to see. All in one spot.
The reason there plenty of 4070 super cards in stock at msrp is because people are not willing to buy a 12GB vram gpu at $600 price range.
Nvidia skimped on vram and its biting them in the ass. As it should. Only fools buy the 4070 super to upgrade from some 3080 or 6700xt or 6800.
I'm not sure about how much its hitting them. All the people who need like 20+ gb for work-related stuff are forced to buy 3090s /4090s when otherwisely they might just need a lot less performance
@@Alice_Fumoaye, it's an upsell product.
In stock where? I haven't seen any since launch
@@nnightkingjbruh what? tons on amazon, newegg, walmart etc
But they'll be plenty buying 4080 super cards out of stock
I think the card is alright but the price jump is a bit insane for all gpu honeslty and if the 7800 xt drops down to 450. Than it becomes a card that can not be ignore because it gives a solid gpu performance for 1440p ultra gaming. Also if 7900xt drops to 650 or even to 680... Peoples gonna start reccomending AMD for raw performance unless you simply want dlss.
Thing is 4070S will drop to around 550 also and I think having RT options and frame gen puts it ahead. Games are released with bad performance lately dlss is important tbh
@@IncredibleLyrics Yea dlss is a good feature to have but its not gonna break any boundaries yet. I still think DLSS wont become a norm feature thing yet. Having it is a plus but also not having it wont change as much honestly. If I really want something for DLSS, Im getting a 4080 or 4090, thats where the the best DLSS performance is at. But still price for performance 7800 xt is too much of a power house at 450$. If were just talking raw performance without DLSS. 7800 xt. I jsut dont see the incentive to buy a 4070 super for 100$ more just so you can get a 10 percent increase in performance and the feature it have is DLSS. Also if the super 4070 dont drop price to 550 and stay at 600, witrh the ti releasing and 7900 xt at 700 dollar now... when the 4070 ti super is release it may drop down to 670 ... on holiday and for 70 dollar more you can get a 7900 xt and get a huge ... and I mean a huge performance increase. Cause from what I know Nvidia hardly drop prices on their GPU and CPU.
Used 3080s are going for a very good price where I live, for around 400 USD. But the 10gb of vram and the ridiculous power consumption have kept me away. I'm just gonna wait for the 4070 non-Super and 7800 XT to hit the used market.
Amazing review. Been watching you since summer, can't believe you only got 54k subs. Keep up the good work
i always appreciate this meta-analysis content, it's what i subscribed for ngl it's super valuable
Moore's law is dead put a video saying how bad the sales are
Yeah saw that. I did not expect this card to do so low.
why tho? the reviews are positive
@@defnotatroll 600 dollars for 12gb of vram in 2024 just get the 7800xt or add 100 dollars and get 7900xt
@@defnotatroll Retailers are charging more than the 4070 ti. Shows you who the real enemies are here.
RT performance should always be considered now, considering its baked into lots of new games without ways of disabling it.
Power Consumption is not just a thing about price. 100 Watts more also mean 100 Watts more to cool, and that demands better cooling solution, and if they are not better, they are louder.
Great analysis. I don't think the 7800XT needs a price cut though. Couple of reasons why not. My Phathom Gaming card is probably the strongest performing card of all the 7800XTs out there. It's like a run away train when it comes to clock. It just goes up and up resulting in increased performance numberss above what you're seeing in the content creator videos. My 7800XT fps numbers are on par with that of a 4070Ti. I think it could be I've undervolted it is why I'm seeing this. I've seen it boost to 2766MHz no overclock. I've seen TBP as high as 424W without undervolting as well. I don't really care about FSR or RT I care about the raw rasterization. I got a long memory. Second reason the price should remain the same is I remember I bought my 1070Ti back in the day for $500. How much more powerful is a 7800XT over a 1070Ti? So yeah, AMD gave us a more than a fair price imo unlike greedy Nvidia. I will likely never buy Nvidia ever again they've showed us they operate by a culture of greed. That's disgusting. I've bought 4 AMD cards in the past 2 years. I'm itching to pull the trigger on a 7900XT right now and will probably do so. The 7800XT is worth every penny as is.
Yeah, unfortunately when you put it all down on paper the arguments in favor of the 7800XT really aren’t affected much even given how much of a performance bump the 4070 Super makes over the OG 4070. Not too much incentive for AMD to drop prices on that card, or even the 7900XT as those were already in the mid-$700 range.
I was thinking about this just prior to ordering a 7800XT a few days ago, I don’t see AMD being that compelled to make any long-standing price drop on it. Maybe incremental changes at most. And I want a reference model anyway, usually the slowest to get any long-standing price drops.
Nvidia is likely aiming to raise prices on the 4070 Super to $700+ anyway. Nvidia fanboys will probably pitch in. It’s what they do every generation, every refresh.
I got a 4070S and I am very happy with it! 7900XT prices aren't very good here so I'm confident in this purchase.
IMO RT is still not a feature worth pinning for. Currently the 4090 is the only card I'd consider to have competent RT abilities, otherwise you HAVE to use an upscaler to get anything resembling a good frame rate. Upscalers are great but if you're going for max visual fidelity than it's a no go.
If RT is something you're really passionate about, prolly still worth waiting for the next gen of gpus.
I appreciate the meta-review. I see this format being very useful for viewers for whom time is a huge concern.
Thats a good video idea (reviewing the other youtubers data) pls do it more often
I could search up ANY GPU and find numerous sites ripping on it. I have a 4070S so Im biased, but man, I got it for $549 and it sure feels like that price was worth it.
If ur planning to build a pc now, I’ll suggest waiting to see what amd’s response to nividia as pricing may change soon.
Nice overview, good ideas in this video!
every gpu is 100$ more of msrp for me in romania. the prices haven't budged at all, i hope they will once the 4070ti super and 4080 super get released but i doubt it at least not right away and could take several weeks
How come no one talks about the pathetic less than 5% performance boost between a 6800 XT and a 7800 XT? It's every bit as bad as the 3060 to 4060 yet no one talks about THAT
i have a 7800xt and both a 6800xt, over the last couple months i’ve seen it go more to 10% aswell as being more stable in drops, but you’re right, driver updates are constantly making the 7800xt better at a pretty fast rate, honestly in a year from now it might not be 2-3% from a 4070 super
600 will be better spent upgrading my cyclocross bike to a wireless groupset!
Wise choice, good rides.
Don't accept the fact that you need to pay $650 just for a mid-range GPU nowadays. It's part of Nvidia's marketing that makes you think the Super series is a good deal. Back then, with that money, we could build an entire PC with it.
So the 7800xt is 20% cheaper but only 5% slower?
That’s a no brainer.
You can see the 20% savings but you can’t feel the 5% fps while gaming
Using 1440p res for a xx70-tier card feels like a kick in the guts when you know in just less than a year newer games will run below 60fps @1440p with this card... and I'm talking about non-RT rasterized performance.
It's like there's no future proofing in GPUs anymore. Nvidia is so dominant they're manipulating their releases so that even a generation refresh (like with this Super lineup) makes the last year's releases obsolete.
If you can't handle customizing your graphic settings, then you really should just settle with a console. It will cause you a lot less headache and trouble rather than worrying about maxing out every dog shit poorly optimized new release mediocre "TRIPLE A" game that's going to be released. Once you stop playing "keeping up the the joneses" on graphics card you'll finally be satisfied with a decent card with a little bit of customization
and this video is why I subscribe to your channel.... nicely, nicely done..!
I think a lot of people are sleeping on the og 4070 when that hits 475-500
The point why this super update is "bad": Its only for the few PC gamer who are able or willing to pay 600 bucks or more for a graphics cards.
How much is this? 5% of the market? 10% of the market? Maybe 15% of the market?
Its a nice price drop for the few people who pay usually A LOOOOT money. For all those people this update and price drop is nice.
For all folks who still face the not very interesting 7600 or 4060 ... or are even facing the overproced 4060 ti - there is nothing better. At 400/450 you can think about buying the 7700xt but below is quite underwhelming and NOTHING changed there.
For me this directly tells us: Nvidia and AMD dont give a shit about the average PC gamer anymore.
THIS is what this "update" directly tells me. As one of this average gamers who went up for rather high 400 bucks (RX 6800 non-xt) ... I have the feeling that Nvidia diretly spit in my face and laughed at me.
Like they do for years now.
Honestly I just had to return my red devil 7800xt due to a manufacturing error and was trying to decide between another one or the 4070/4070 super. Ive only had a intel arc a770 till I got the 7800xt so I’m pretty neutral when it comes to brands
Got a used 3090 for 110€ less than the cheapest 4070 just before Christmas , I'm pretty happy with it coming from a 5700 xt .
The contact pads for extra RAM chips are intended so that the same PCBs can be used for GPUs based on AD103 (RTX 4080s and 4070 Ti Supers).
AD103 uses the same substrate package layout as AD104 (the chip used for the RTX 4070, 4070 Super, and 4070 Ti), and that substrate includes connections for 2 extra RAM chips but AD104 only has a 192-bit memory bus, so it can't use the extra connections, the other 6 chips use up the whole 192 bits.
So the extra connections on the PCB are only usable when an AD103 GPU is used.
It's not that the chip is "cut down", AD104 is a completely different chip which physically doesn't have any way to use the extra connections.
Exactly, this is why i dont like it when people talk about things they dont know anything about and jump to assumtions and made up conclusions...this looks just bad for them and he fell for this trap and not for the first time...
but its good to see, that i'm not the only one pointing that out.
cheers. :)
Bytesizetech explained in a recent video that in order to use >12GB with the 192 bit bus of these GPUs, the GPU should run at lower speeds or just double the 12GB to 24GB, or something like that (don't remember).
@@Adri9570
You cant exceed the 12GB as each chip needs 32bit making it 6 chips à 2GB at a 192Bit interface.
The only way would be to use bigger and more expensive Modules, which pretty much do not exist yet...as we just got the 2gig sized ones a while ago.
Well yes, you could also try double stacking on the backside aswell, but that brings its own problems and doesnt work very well, if not intentionally made for with the controllers and co.
Not to mention the additional power, voltage, phases and generated heat again...
The 3+Gig ones will probably only coming with GDDR7 and RTX5000.
$450 for 7800xt = no brainer. It'll force Nvidia to reduce their price as well. Best thing that can happen for consumers right now.
i just bought the 7800xt xfx quick, its a good card mw3 170-180fps on max settings, and the colours are far better then my rtx3060ti which i replaced with the 7800xt
@@aeroflopper The colours? That's your screen handling those xD
@@jesper164a and your graphics card too
@@aeroflopperis it good on blender, video editing and stuff
@@jesper164a same screen?
"I think most people don't have $600 to spend on a graphics card." So true!
Its a lot of money bruvh hmmm
Dude even if I have $600 I still don't wanna buy this. The pricing on gpu products like this one is just unacceptable
PS2 at launch in 2000 was $300, accounting for inflation thats $580 today. A high end graphics card for the price of a console? Pretty cheap to me. But most people are bad with their money.
@@ThisisCitrusok
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I wanted to buy it for 4k, but because of 12GB of VRAM I will get 7900 XT :( 4070ti Super way too expensive :(
Me here Waiting for the 4090 to drop😂. Pray for me
@@mikelay5360you'll be waiting for a while.
@@mikelay5360 Hope you are a patient person 😀😁🤣
We will 😂@@mikelay5360
Snagged a PNY 4090 from Walmart at $1700 in December.. worth the wait... Good luck
The 4070 super wins on size and efficiency. No doubt it'll sell to mainstream customers way more than the 7800xt. It fits in any case and works with the tried and true 650w PSU.
7800xt works on decent 600w psu no problems even overcloked with over 300w power, ref model of 7800xt is quite small GPU and 4070 super is not selling good at all..
I upgraded to a 7800xt 2 months ago and I’m very happy with it, waiting for the 4070 super was a option but at the time there was nothing about price or performance, still surprised that the 4070 super is still only 7% faster though.
best choice you have made
Only 7% faster bc memory bus is only 192 bits. 7800XT has 4G more VRAM on a 256 bits memory bus.
@@tringuyen7519 that 192 bit memory bus is killer at 1440p or 4k. everyone talks about 12gb of vram and frankly ya its a little low especially for the cost but would still be ok for a while its the memory bus being 192bit that really makes me question why its marketed as a 1440p card because it isnt going to age well and already struggling on newer titles at those higher resolution. 1440p card needs a 256 bit bus at minimum. frankly its obvious the 4060 was suppose to be a new 50 series card and 70 was suppose to be a 60 series card and 4070ti super should have been the 4070 from the start except with original core count.
@@KraziAgent-cj8cx Why did you buy 2 cards and at such close classes?
@@RogueRyzen a better upgrade would be a rtx 4090 at 4k.
Because 7800xt can handle all games at 1440p.
I pulled the trigger on a 4070S today. I'm upgrading from a 1060, so I'm pretty confident I won't have any complaints lol. Thanks for the review.
Been wanting a 7900xt but their prices remained from $770-800 dollars and thats not including tax. When i saw prices drop, i went and got the hellhound for $720. I know prices will gobdien but im okay at that price
$600 for 12gb ram card? A big no for me.
Easy to say that, but what matters is performance and value. And at least right now, it looks like 4070S offers a better overall value than the 7800XT unless its price drops. I also worry about 12GB going into the future, but that's just a worry right now, based on speculation and assumption.
@@patsk8872amd being amd, they will definitely do something about this
The only super that’s gonna be worth it is the 4070ti super, sadly.
@@RobVee.the RTX 4080 super is the highest worth is you have the money but I do agree if you want good graphics card don’t hang to pay to much get the RTX 4070 ti super
That's 700 euro for us in Europe, maybe higher depending on what country you live in and if you can an order delivered at a reasonable price from Germany, spain, maybe France or whatever country you can find a deal 😢, I can get a basic model 7800xt from Germany for about €560... But to buy in Ireland and the cheapest website here is about €640 for a 7800xt... Which really is just a 7800, the 7900gre is what the 7800xt should have been.
We really need to be seeing good midrange GPUs to be hitting 350-400 USD before we'll feel we're not being ripped off here, because later this year we'll start to see NVIDIA 5000 series and rDNA 4, so 700 euro on a 4070s is last gen by xmas 2024
I remember linus torvald words regarding NVIDIA and i agree with him. SAPPHIRE NITRO+ Radeon RX 7800 XT 16GB is way to go for 600$
I got mine for around $500!
I got the XFX speedster Qick for $500 on the dot. Gotta love Christmas specials.
I’m about to upgrade from a 1070 to the 7800xt and I have 0 regrets. This is exactly what I wanted for my budget and i’m happy a fairly priced graphics card option exists for what I need
That's completely fair, the 7800xt is a great card, I'm also currently on a 1070 and was thinking about upgrading to a 7800xt for a while, but ultimately I ordered a 4070 super the other day and am waiting for it to arrive this weekend.
It mainly came down to raytracing and DLSS for why I chose to go for the 4070 super, it really was close though, I basically decided that I would wait and see how the 4070 super performed in reviews, and if it didn't do well enough I'd have pulled the trigger on the 7800xt (also if AMD aggressively dropped the price to £450 that would have also given me serious room for thought).
You can have the AMD mess.
Me never again
@@Asfanboy1nobody cares
surprised you didnt go for the 6800xt when that was heavily cut down in price@@thesyndrome43
@@MrBALAKUMARA then why did you write the message?
This is actually a REALLY cool video idea. Reviewing reviews, that's legit brilliant for analyzing product value.
I remember when AMD came out with Radeon VII in 2019 which rocked 16GB VRAM reviewers at the time shitted on it heavy . Saying 16GB VRAM isnt need especially when the card couldnt ray trace and stuff . Now 16GB is premium for 1440p and 4K gaming lol .
The hate on AMD is real !!
I agree with some of your points but your comment about the extra vram spots on the board aren't for this die. The PCB is mostly likely used for upper range models aswell like the 4080 and upcoming 4070ti super and 4080 super. Those cards use the AD103 die on a 256 bit bus which would support 16gb of vram. The 4070 super physical can't support 16gb as it's a AD104 die on a 192 bit bus, 6 or 12gb is all that gpu can support.
This is nice, but I can't keep giving money to Nvidia when AMD is giving me more to work with on a budget. $50-$100 still means something to the middle of the range.
Even at top of the range it means a lot, it's the difference between an 'entry' and 'premium' model of a 7900xtx.
Gamers should be buying amd cards instead... leave the nivida cards to people who actually do productive things with them... these people who have 4070s and higher are playing games for simpletons like counter stroke, cod, battlefield, ubischiet games...
5:20 Each GDDR6 IC has a 32-bit interface to communicate with the GPU.
Since the AD104 chip, used by the 4070, 4070 Ti, and 4070 Super, has a 192-bit interface, you can only connect 6 memory chips at a time to them.
To cut costs, that PCB design is also utilized by other cards, like the 4080, and 4080 Super and the 4070 Ti Super, which use the AD103 GPU, which has a 256-bit memory interface that can have 8 GDDR6 chips connected to it, hence the 2 missing slots.
And now that you find a 7900xt nitro+ for 700 euro GL ngreedia ahah only a idiot would pick a 12gb gpu when there's a 20gb at that price and top brand.
Got the 7800XT a couple months ago and I'm not regretting it at all.
Got mine a month ago and 1440p gaming has been great.
what about blender, video editing etc..
@@yetofetta I don't use them but blender supports amd cards and there are video editing software that do as well.
@@yetofettaVery small amount of ppl use it for that
same bro very happy
My Waifu bought me the 4070ti Super OC from Asus just because I'm her sweet and lovable Panda Man
What the fuck
apart from jayz2cents, it seems the RT benchmarks are pretty lightweight and make AMD look better than it actually is in RT. Appreciate the meta-analysis! Would be curious to do more of this to identify if any discrepancies do exist between the techtubers
I think buying a high mid range AMD GPU is a really braindead thing to do considering AMD fsr and rt performance in ue5 games....
I wish you included the RX 6950 XT as well because out of the used cards, the 6950 XT would be the top dog in price/performance. A 6950 XT is $600 and performs 10-15% faster than the 4070 SUPER at 1440p.
the moment you turn on ray tracing, the 4070 super flushes the rx 6950 XTs head in the toilet like they were in high school. Not to mention Pathtracing, DLSS 3(.5) and Framegeneration
@@aiiacks 🤡🤏🤏🤏
@@aiiacks Yeah try turning those on the 4070 SUPER and get 15-20 FPS... even a 4090 struggles at RT/PT at recent titles such as CyberPunk and Alan Wake 2.
Most people only care about raw performance. Also you get 16 GB instead of 12 GB for the same $600 with the 6950 XT which will help out a lot better with frame buffering.
@@laszlozsurka8991 the 4070 super does absolutely not struggle with RT and for PT: thats what DLSS 3.5 is for (you may wanna look into that ;). The rx 6950xt can't even handle simple RT without FSR and it still performs way worse and looks like bs compared to DLSS. 4GB Vram can't fix that... it doesn't even improve the architectural handicap of AMDs cards by a little since they tend to allocate more vram than Nvidias cards (you may wanna look into that too ;)
Yes 6950xt destroys in value too bad its barely in stock for that price. Major caveat is power draw and RT ig, but not many people care about RT I would assume if they're trying to maximize fps/$.
Reviews seemed positive, market reaction might not be so forgiving.
600+ for 12gb vram seems like being followed into the public loo and taken advantage off.
of course it's *that* bad when they call a '60-class' card a "70"-class card, then charge twice what they should for it. It's insanity. The only legitimate '70-class' card is the 4070 Ti Super, but should have been called the 4070. The so-called 40"80" should be called 4070 Super, and the 40"80 Super" should be called 4070 Ti. The so-named 40"90" is the only legitimate '80-class' card and should have been $700.
And yet it is faster than AMD's 80 series card 😂
@@ehenningsenI mean it's $100 more so...
@@BaldKiwi117 yeah. I just thought it was funny. Even though recent NVIDIA series have slowed in raster progress, somehow AMD is worse.
Let's keep it real here
As usual, all the prices and features of all the cards are just high enough to not want to buy anything. LOL. We now have alternating cards at $500, 600, 700, 800 etc and a lot of give and take happening. I am worried about only 12GB but at the same time I still think currently the 4070S looks like the better idea right now. So the 7800XT will drop in price and make it another difficult choice...
Here in Australia, we're getting gouged something fierce. You're paying $600 usd for one, we're paying $720 usd for the cheapest model. yay for "aussie tax"
720 EUR in EU
@@VitoldsTheDestroyerYEP. Depends when you live tho cause German TAX IS CRAZY. Greek vat is 24% Soo that's also 720 euros lol
I see no point in buying one. Many 4070 ti cards are the same price
Aussies always complain about prices as if they get uniquely screwed yet from what I've seen usually pc parts cost roughly the same here in Europe.
@@BackSlashJvb125
FE Model costs 659 including tax, but good customs, like the Gigabyte Gaming Oc for example can easily get above 700, but lets see where they land in a few weeks, they are new, so they come full price and even with a premium.
imagine a console has more ram than your 600$ graphics card 😅😅😅
imagine a world where 12vram destroys 16gb in a console. wait nvm, thats reality no need to imagine. numbers lie and so do people pushing an agenda with "numbers"
That hurts .. 600$ in US and UK, rest of the world more like 700..
@@roki977 fun fact, the more socialist a country is, the higher goods cost. U.S. is fast catching up unfortunately. (The Xbox Series X isnt $600 here, its $499 and was on sale all over for $399 through the holidays.) I even seen it briefly for one week for only $349 at Best Buy.
@@srobeck77 series X is round 600 euros +/- 50, S is 280 but GPUs are so expensive its mental. They rasied prices round Christmas and they stayed there so there is no 4070 under 700 euros, super 770, 7800xt 600 to 670 etc.. CPUs can be found for much more normal prices as rest components but GPUs its nuts, Croatia.. Everything i buy here is on discounts, 7800xt i had to buy on credit card bsc they had 10% that day and it was 5% more from shop so i got it under 600, 4 months ago, PC Hellhound..Lots of shop drops listed price by 5% on cash paying also.
*I would take the 7800XT, yes the 4070S might be better now, however with more games using more VRAM as time goes on the 7800XT with the 16GB would be better value. Also, along with that AMD will continue to improve on the software side, FSR etc. long story short the 7800XT will improve in it's life cycle whereas the 4070S with have more issues with limited VRAM*
Unless games continue get more RT heavy.. which they are... no point in having the VRAM if you're at 1080p with medium settings😀
To be fair, Nvidia also constantly improves DLSS, FG and RR quality. And they also announced Neural Compressed Textures, which may help with that 12GB buffer in the future. We can not be sure what future will bring us, that is the point.
And by the time 7800 XT will take advantage of these additional 4 GB, this card may simply become outdated due to the lack of raw GPU power. 🤔
@@AKMcF Yes if they implement games with RT already built into the game then it will be an issue. For the second point I'm talking in context to the video so 1440p gaming.
@@stangamer1151 neural compressed textures 50 series only if you pay $10/month subscription.
@@stangamer1151 Yes both will continue to improve, I meant to say AMD has more room for improvement in FSR department. DLSS already looks close to native, AMD is far behind in upscaling, if they can also make it look close to native and remove those shimmers etc then AMD will look more appealing in terms of value.
I like these deep analyses,really interesting for potential buyers. Keep it up!
Blackwell is probably gonna be release at most in Q1 2025, and might have extra memory for lower end GPU, don't waste your money on GPU that gonna be obsolete less than 2 year after release, that rtx 40 super line up is a joke
12gb means you'll have to buy another card only two years or so from now or reduce the texture quality/use upscaling. Which is too much to ask for when you've already paid 600$.
That is pure AMD copium, first of all NVIDIA is more efficient with VRAM, second of all not everyone plays 4k.
@@letix6220That was the same argument for the RTX 3080. Look how that turned out.
@@hugoanderkiviWhat turned out? 3080 is still solid
Awesome Video. I got 7800xt instead of waiting for the 4070 Super but i dont really regret it as AMD seems good so far.
I quit trying to stay up with these new graphics cards, I just sold my RTX 4070 ti and my RX 7900 XTX and downgraded to a 50 dollars RX 580 and a 90 dollar Vega 64 and went back to 1080p Gaming and perfectly happy with the performance. The RX 580 and Vega 64 play just about every game I typically play with no issues at all. I also went back to Windows 10.
Can't tell if you are joking or not. You downgraded to GPU's without driver support?
Can we stop calling upscaling software a reason to buy a $600+ graphics card?
the GPU renders an image...a better image is the entire point...
Still way too expensive.
Thank you so much for doing this because I do this myself every-time. I watch like 5 different vids on one card, but I’m not really tech savvy enough to say “okay X and Y is something I need to look out for” DLSS vs FSR for example. And I’m rusty on how important VRAM is.
Great video. Thank you.
History repeats itself, 20 series meh over 10 series here comes the super cards, now doing 2 gens later nobody seen this coming really....and here we are with super cards again that should have been the current gen all along and people needing to wise up and stop over paying for meh, imo anyone smart depending on your use case just wait for next gen 50 series and w/e amd's next gen is don't waste your money on these nvidia cards especially the 12gb vram nonsense, I can see something funny like a 5070 coming out which will be on 3nm not a big uplift but being 200$ cheaper or something silly like that haha.
Edit: if any cards you should be going for and again depending on if you need a card now or in the next few months and what your use plan is ray tracing or not go with AMD's 7800XT or higher cards.
Reason for the missing vram chips on the 4070S is due to the memory bus size. You'd have to double the amount of vram chips to get it working, ie 24GB.
Yeah, I think the 2 slots could be for 8GB (1GB x 8) on this bus cut to 128-bit. The problem is that BIOS for that configuration will never exist. At least outside of nVidia labs.
That would be a much worse card though.
Exactly. My guess is that manufacturers are using the same PCB for the AD104 and AD103 GPUs in order to save money.
You are missing sth big, coil whine. My 6800xt is terrible in this regard. When they use more than 300w it is very likely that this problem occurs.
the problem with this card is VRAM, 12GB might be enough for today but who knows in 2-3 years? the average consumer doesn't buy 600+ v.cards every 2-3 years the 4070ti super is a better card with 16GB, will last you easly 5-6 years you pay 200€ more (hopefully), but gain 3 years lifespan, its even a better deal than the 4080s with only 16GB. 4070ti super is the best upgrade.
With increase of vram usage in games, obviously the more performance it needs to run. And with that said, you cannot last longer with either cards unless you are using 4090. Even with 16gb vram, the performance will lack for sure if the 12gb gpus face the wall. So, probably chances are 16gb users upgrading their gpu in about similar time as 12gb gpu user.
Thank you makes me realize my choice of the regular 4070 seem like a temporary good choice with my custom new build from a friend
@@beilence that just sounds like a cope for 12gb of vram lmao
Pretty sure this is the same calculation that Nvidia did, as well :D. If the 4070 or the 4070 Super were 16GB it would be an absolute beast of a card. But why do it, when you can shake people up for an extra 200 Euro. I was really looking into upgrading my old GTX 1080, to something newer but all of the offerings in the 600-650 EUR segment are sh*t. 4070 and 4070 Super are both 12GB, so good luck future proofing for gaming. 7800 XT is 16GB and has better price, but it absolutely sucks for AI, especially Stable Diffusion, and its Ray Tracing is pretty damn "meh". Not to mention it's a literal non-upgrade from the 6800 XT, which keeps the latter's second hand prices high, while stores that do have new ones, never bother to adjust 6800 XT prices lower. And finally, you have Intel and the A770 16GB which is an absolute steal for work related tasks and makes the AI units on the 7800 XT look like AMD was being sarcastic with their marketing (just looks at some recent SD benchmarks). But it sucks for gaming and even if it *eventually* reaches it's potential to perform like a 3070 (maaaaybe 3070ti-ish), it would still be way too late. So, I'm probably just going to wait on Battlemage and see what Intel has to offer. If they can reach the original 4070 performance, but with 16GB of VRAM, I'll be a happy camper. In the mean time, I'll continue to do most of my gaming using my 4.50 EUR a month Founders plan on Geforce Now.
@@BaldKiwi117 after that long explanation.. does it? That might be the problem with you.
However, just think about it. The vram demanding games we will face are likely to be also graphical demanding. It always has been and always will be.
Thats why only the 4090 is the winner after all. Its actually future proofing just like 2080ti or 1080ti did.
And for future proofing for next couple yrs, the minimum vram req should be 18gb+ about the 4080 super performance.
If you still havent changed your mind after all.. i guess you are using 16gb “future proofing” gpu that you think it will last for next couple years ;)
I dont have 600 dollars for a GPU that is still overpriced I'll just wait 2 generations and buy a 6060 or something
In Europe a PowerColor Hellhound AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT 16GB GDDR6 costs 569€, MSI GeForce RTX 4070 VENTUS 3X E OC 12GB GDDR6 DLSS3 or Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4070 Windforce OC 12 GB GDDR6X DLSS3 costs 619€, Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER WINDFORCE OC 12GB GDDR6X DLSS3 costs 700 €. PCComponentes, It's a 80 € difference between 4070 and 4070 super at the same model and 130€ to the 7800XT
GTX 1070 came at USD 400 with as much VRAM as a GTX 1080 and outstanding performance for its time.
We should understand that GreedVidia only listens as result of boycott.
Even if some games have double the fps in Ray tracing over the 7800 xt it's still at an unplayable experience. Ray tracing will only suffice with a 4090 and maybe the 4080
I bought the RX7800 XT in November, and I feel good about the purchase, even after this Super release. However, I would be happy if the Raytracing performance would be a bit better really. Price wise here in Germany, the RX7800 XT goes for ~530€ (cheapest), and the 4070 Super is at 659€ (cheapest)...the normal 4070 is around 580€. If there is not another drop in pricing, the 4070 Super won't sell well.
What aib 7800 xt did you get?
@@timmyalley6621 XFX Merc 319 black edition
I've been considering upgrading my 4060 in the future to a 7800xt or 4070 due to the 8gb vram only, so far I've been fine with it but I'm sure 8 will be an issue for me eventually. I very been told I could probably upgrade to the 4070 without changing anything but maybe have to replace the 600 gold 80 psu if I go 7800xt. I wonder if I go 4070 super do you think I'd have to replace things, I have an i5 13400f, asrock b 760m-c mb, 32 gb ddr5 , amethyst ll case, no liquid coolers.
Can you tell me at what shop you see for that price?
@@nimrodpaul6875 I don’t think you would have to, although I’d recommend getting the gigabyte OC 7800 xt for 499
Hate to say it, but looking at the numbers it appears that 4070s is being slightly undervalued for the frame rate delta. This becomes especially true when considering RT.
This card straight wins vs anything under $700. AMD is struggling to keep up here, 7800XT is not enough cheaper to account for a 20% RT delta along with a 7-5% rast difference. 3080 continues to be a good value. 7800XT would be super strong option if it drops down to $450 but not before. 7900XT going down to $650 would make it the clear winner here.
RT is still a gimmik, especially at this price point, it just is not worth it to use 99% of the time on anything lower than a 4090.
@@Frashsibit Upscaling has proven this to be untrue. Even weak cards get good benefit from it. And when you go beyond that $500 price point it's less of a nice "gimmick" feature and more of a hard requirement since you are putting the money down on a expensive component. As price goes up, not having it becomes less of an excuse. AMD is significantly behind in this aspect yet they are charging like they are Nvidia.
That aside, it still beats everything sub $700 currently. Nvidia has made this card just cheap enough for it to be worth it while squeezing every cent the can from it.
They truly are "Team Green"
The cards are great, the PRICE is horrific. $600 should be MAX for a 4080 super duper TI. With AMD dropping the price of their 7900XT and XTX , AMD is getting closer to what prices should be, still high but getting closer and better value
Excuse me what? The 1080ti had an msrp of 699$ in 2016 that's 900$ in today's money not counting the massively increased cost of RnD and everything in general as everything goes up in price so you can't just say "so the 4080 ti super should be 900$ max" as material went up in price, labor goes up in price, as mentioned above money spent on RnD goes up, 1.3Billion in 2016 and 7.3Billion in 2023
Don't get me wrong I absolutely don't like where this is going either but this is all hard and evidential fact.
4080 costs like 700 to make lol
Na, it's still a 12GB GPU for 600$+. Not to mention the AIB models that are close or at MSRP tend to be of worse quality than the reference model. So no ty Nvidia.
Overpriced junk.
Used prices are stupid high never worth the risk.
Have a new 3080Ti that last me 5 years easy before upgrading.
No Thanks I would pick the 7800XT & the 7900XT over the Geforce RTX 4070 Super. Why It's not worth it.
How often do you buy a high end card? If you want the bells and whistles for years to come, stick a pry-bar in your wallet and get them, or run the risk of regretting it for years and deal with the extra heat generated by AMD cards.
I buy a new card/build ever 5-8 years. Once I start struggling with games on medium setting then its time for a new build. If you're obsessed about ultra maxed out graphics every year you'll be disappointed every year you have to upgrade a card.
if you can handle customizing your graphic settings between visual fidelity and FPS you'll be happy. a decent PC build will last you at least 5 years minimum unless you're a real nazi for graphics... and if thats your problem you might as well buy a console PRO version so you can game at 4k and not worry about price
For example, a 1080ti still holds its value to this very day, and personally I still have a 1070 and I've upgraded to a 4070s.
This just goes to show how stupid reviewers are mostly. It's almost as bad as mainstream media now, they have their talking points and repeat everything the other guy says verbatim.
At 1080p 4070 is more than enough, plus 8pin vs the new 12v connector.... Easy choice
I think the 7900 XT is the card for me, Itll do laps around the 3060 Ti I owned. 4070 Ti Super is simply too much even at $899 honestly. 7900 XT can be had for $709 with a free game (Avatar).
I don't regret my 7900 XT purchase 8 months ago, it is a solid card i got for £700.
Same. It’s not worth it 90% of the time but when it’s discounted it’s discounted HARD. Got one on Prime Day for near around £100 cheaper than the cheapest 4070 ti I could find at the time and I imagine it’ll drop again to undercut the Super when that gets released too.
Rx 7900XT is not faster than the RX 4070 Super in heavy raytracing.
One I noticed in the video was to call out Amd to lower prices , wow .
Asking amd to lower rx7800 xt to $450.00 , ok, but calling rtx4070 super a solid price ????? Wow
Ask both companies to lower prices techtubers please , you guys are sending wrong message to viewers that Nvidia is solid , NO they are not , Nvidia still price gouging .
Stop defending Nvidia please techtubers , you guys are the problem.
Your right to a degree. I wish both cards are cheaper, just forgot to say it for the 4070 super. Although I did say the 7800 xt is very competitive at $500 so there isn’t a reason to change it. I don’t think the 4070 super will possibly change because the 4070 OG isn’t gonna budge at $550 as far as I can tell
Lets be honest if you think $400-$600 dollars is to much to spend on somethingthat gives you countless hours of enjoyment, you need to get out of your moms basement and up your paper game. People complaining about $600 while having a brand new Iphone, $300 sneakers. I'm only commenting because of RUclips suggesting yet another AMD fanboy channel.
You must be dumb enough to that much money on those things.
100W difference isn´t that much compared to being 170$ cheaper even at 0.30$ per kw/h that´s 566kw/h a lot of hours gaming you´re getting out of that.
Amd undervolts well
amd rx 7800 xt are the best
People already willing to pay $600+ for a 12gb vram and 192-bit bus, already did it. And the only thing they are getting from nvidia for their fidelity, is a price cut that hurts they card resale. Honestly, I believe people will buy easily the 4070ti super if is priced at $600, but I believe that at $800, sales are not going to be great. Same thing with the 4080 super, people willing to pay $1,000 for a 15 gb card, already did it or got a 7900xtx instead... Hopefully the sales keep low and the prices will be more reasonable next gen
If you think your US prices are high: EU: 7800xt: 540 eur, 4070s : 680eur... 7800xt is still the better deal here
If you think EU prices are high, here's Brazil's: RTX 4070 S→ R$5410, a full month of work: R$ 1412. So it takes almost 4 months of work to buy it, not spending a single coin for gas, food, energy... So we have to be pretty convinced of which card to buy because it will be our card for the next 5 to 8 years
@@ltBanshiro i have to say: There is something totally wrong in your country..
@ZachalZockt Yeah, and only gets worse. And all the Latin American countries are in a similar situation, buying tech is very expensive. At launch the iPhone 14 Pro Max cost was about 14K R$, or almost a year of work .... I would love to buy something like a 4090 for 2K dollars hahahaha nothing compared to what people around here have to surpass
I don't feel like FSR is as bad as people are saying. Sure it's worse than native resolution, but it's WAY better than the base resolution it upscales from
Leaks from Moores Law is Dead show that day one 4070 SUPER sales were as bad as 4080 sales
6:10 I don't know how this works but from watching other reviewers I'm pretty sure the chip the 4070 and 4070 super and 4070 ti use CAN'T have 16Gb of ram. That's why the 4070 ti super uses the same chip as the 4080. Maybe it has to be a multiple of 6 or 3 or something. Perhaps it could have 18gb or 24gb. Just guessing, haven't got a clue, I would have thought a tech reviewer would know. I'm pretty sure I've heard other "pc techtubers" mention it.
just bought my 4070 super :D
very excited to get it, as im coming from a 3060 and use a lot of nvidia's creative tools and dlss, looking forward to dlss 3's performance and framegen.
i hope to recieve mine next thursday :D im super stoked as well! upgrading from release day rtx 2080
@@vadim6656 Just got my 4070 Super, loving the performance, power efficiency, and RT. upgrading from a gtx 1650 :D
I bought mine 2 days ago lol. A little underwhelming performance but still good. Kinda wish I went for the 7900 GRE though.