StarTalk Podcast: The Rise of Self Driving Cars, with Neil deGrasse Tyson
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- Neil deGrasse Tyson finally gets to investigate a topic he’s long wanted to cover on StarTalk Radio: self-driving cars. Neil and comic co-host Chuck Nice are joined on their journey by Larry Burns, Mobility Consultant for Google Inc. and former VP of R&D at GM, and transportation journalist Alex Davies.
Ride along as they discuss the fast-rising world of self-driving cars and the future of transportation. You’ll hear about a new “car DNA” that will change our basic understanding of automobile functionality. Explore why autonomous transportation will reshape the basic way we move around and the economic implications involved in a complete industry overhaul. Discover more about the history of auto-making, and why traveling by horse was made obsolete within two decades.
Our crew discusses the legal ramifications for accidents involving driverless cars, the accident involving the Tesla autopilot system, and why they believe self-driving car manufacturers will use past mistakes to make for a better, safer future. You’ll learn the reasons behind traffic congestion, why lane changing in traffic is ineffective, and what happens to traffic in a world of autonomous vehicles.
Apart from autonomous cars, you’ll find out about autonomous delivery systems like drones and robots, and you’ll also find out why Neil has an irrational dislike towards drones. All that, plus, Neil ponders why flying cars have yet to come to fruition and Alex explains Uber’s plans to finally make them a reality.
This episode originally aired May 5, 2017.
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This episode originally aired May 5, 2017.
How do you figure that out?
Edited to add:
Nevermind, it says so in the description.
Thanks
Wow it feels pretty up to date.
@@KiwiMaker Except that Tesla is close to killing the competition, at least when it comes to selfdriving. EDIT: and by now Teslas have saved way, waaaayyy more lives than have been lost in the same brand cars.
I know 😔
Can you get Elon Musk on the show
If they do they should ask Musk about the guest claiming they can't dig 40 levels deep because of pipelines and subways, lol... He'll probably have a brain aneurysm from the stupidity of Alex Davies reasoning.
It would be very hard for Mr.Musk to fit his ego in this studio.
chaitanya maddineni have u ever watched anything of him long-form, like other than sound bites and shorter clips? He has at least 1 podcast with joe rogan that is hours long & I know he’s been on many others as well. Ego isn’t exactly the first thing that jumped out to me when I see him speak.
I think Niel and Elon should have this discussion and SpaceX on Joe Rogans Podcast... a proper discussion takes more than 45 minutes.
@@chrisbeffa8890
Agree. It's just an engineering problem. Davies is a Tesla hater, obviously. It's part of his job to hinder musks ambitions?...That was an interesting comment!
People don't like Musk, but he is a visionary. He really delivers in his space program and through tesla. Other auto manufacturers are still scrambling to copy and catch up.
Hopefully they will have a follow-up podcast sometime in the future. This episode is already almost 3 years old. Interesting to witness these things change.
I am an Automotive student from SAIT i sent this podcast to my prof and we discussed it for an assignment overall it was very interesting
Than you
“I’m ‘urban’, and when you’re’ urban’ a car is a liability, not an asset.” Wow only 1 minute in!
The man is speaking the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth
If I didn't have to have a car, I wouldn't. It is clearly a liability. I typically drive it far less than 100mi a month, but in the winter I need a vehicle more than the other seasons and I always need it to transport larger items (cat litter, toilet paper, etc). If I could have an autonomous vehicle show up the 2-3 times a month I drive, it'd be wonderful.
You know he means urban in the literal sense of the word right? As in, he lives in the city, specifically NY.
@@bryanconchas lol I did, shortly thereafter. Not much variance either way
What blew my mind was the fact it is so true. When the average person thinks of self driving cars think of owning one. But the fact that the cars can be shareable, it opens a hole universe. The quick answer that Larry Burns gave to Neil's question about the law implications was so quick.
cant get enuff of neil n chuck talking science
I just love Chuck's humour ♥️
After watching every possible talk and interview with NDT I am now joining Startalk
47:13 about just mass sharing things you seldom use. That's ingenious!
That's the building blocks of a resource based economy.
Sorry Chuck, self driving only zones sounds like a beautiful place to live. Free of fenderbedners and pedestrian-in-crosswalk accidents. I love to drive as well, but I can drive out on the highway. Having my family safe within the city is much more important to me.
The problem is drunks walking in front of the cars. If the car goes slow enough, it may be ok; also, pedestrians may get used to them, the way we get used to scooters.
" Having my family safe within the city is much more important to me."
The thing is that self-driving cars are not safer than human-driven cars. if a kid runs out from behind a parked car, a self-driving car cannot magically stop any quicker than a human can, no matter how much you think it can.
In order to actually make selfdriving cars safe, you have to completely separate them from humans. In fact they have to be kept separate from other vehicles too because if a self-driving car is on the highway 4 feet behind the car in front (because that's the stupidity that they keep showing you) and the car in front gets a blowout, both cars are dead, just like with human drivers.
In reality, self driving cars are completely useless in cities because they cannot anticipate what humans will do. Your self-driving car will never dicide to reverse out of a street if it finds it blocked by avan unloading some stuff. You'll have to drive yourself out.
There will not be a time when all cars are self-driving, fullstop. And there is nothing wrong with that.
PS: "having your family safe" is the same thing people say when they buy a landrover or other large 2-ton SUV that the end up crushing other people to death with.
@@vinny142 Nah. I live in Austin, and downtown is overflowing with electric scooters. I saw one couple get on two of them. The girl said, "Shouldn't we get used to these?" Her boyfriend was halfway down the street.
There are trains that people have to get used to, not in downtown Austin, not yet.
But people can get used to trains. They can get used to self-driving cars. Do you think folks will keep walking in front of cars week after week?
"Only self driving cars and pedestrians and bicycles" would be a safe area. And, yes, computers have quicker reflexes than humans.
@@vinny142 your example assumes that a human would react faster then a machine to a child walking out in front of them?
Apart from the simple logic that a computers reaction is without a doubt faster as its following a preprogrammed reaction, its also had any doubt factor removed. A machine doesn't doubt a choice its about to make and its not affected by the stress of a situation.
It won't panic and do nothing.
As a practical example, many modern warehousing units have automated or semi-automated machines moving around them.
These machines safety features enable them to stop at a secs notice as worker walk out in front of them.
If these machines where not safer and more reliable then a human, then the insurers would never of allowed to warehouses to switch from humans in the first place.
i could listen Neil for hours, this guys is awesome
Loved Chucks comments.
Hi Neil !!
I love your work and how your share your knowledge with us and how you guide is for better.
Keep the hard work !
About the background and and lighting I will suggest to work on how you and your host light and contrast will match better with the background so it won’t be too “distracting”, perhaps match the light, shadow and contrast from the background. Just a little detail I wanted to point out 😇
Awesome topic!!
This podcast makes me happy.
32:14 Neil looked so happy after saying that :P
My FAV episode
"What impressed me 110 years ago" I knew it! NDT is a vampire!
When I think of self driving cars, I think of those huge intersections in some countries where everyone just goes and it somehow kinda works... it will just totally work and be at speed. It would look like 2 streams of cars 15 wide just crossing like there is no cross traffic at all. Also makes me think of the one time I went to California like 20 years ago, I live in Seattle and we (ahem) are slow, polite, and dangerous in pursuit of safety (I'm totally exaggerating, but we do get traffic jams that should not exist)... ANYway, there was bumper to bumper traffic in Cali too, it just was bumper to bumper at 75 miles an hour, and you BETTER know your exit because there will be zero mercy. It was very scary at first, but after a few days I found myself wishing it was like that everywhere. Basic Cali rule being: people can't drive where your car is, so just go, and get out of the way, and be snappy about it. ..don't mind the honking, it is just newbs getting trained up.
Seattle: if you're patient, someone might let you in! and when they do, go EXTRA slow so people can see how careful you are.. don't mind the honking, that would be Cali and east coast people who drive like maniacs and are so so RUDE!
This was an exquisitely well put together episode. Chuck with the science facts, Neil with the jokes. The older man from google talking about the future of transportation and young man from wired falking about the current situation of transportation.
I know there is an opportunity for better billboards since you are in self-driving, you have time to read an ad, you could also beam the passing billboard onto your display to read if you are interested.
Nice chat. Thanks
Love yall guys
31:49 Two-wheelers, Gas engine and traditional controls for your motorcycle, with only one modification [ An anti-crash computer ], give it just enough control to keep you from over correcting or running into anything.
I hear ya I love driving classic cars I'll never give up my driving I enjoy it way to much but I am not opposed to a daily driving rig being a self driving car( for going to work ect.)
Take my life before you take my classic car. Give me an autonomous car so I can drink.
@@JasonM69 what classic do you have mate
69 Ford Bronco, you?
@@JasonM69very nice mate I got a 69 chevelle
@@robertshoemaker9226 nice
Wow I thought Chuck was like 300Lbs for some reason only ever having heard his voice. As far as I'm concerned this is still a weightless success story.
It wasn't the fact that "The Jetsons" car flew that impressed me. It was the fact it was able to fold up into a briefcase.
Thank you Chuck for saying that driver was killed because he was abusing the Tesla autopilot system. You must still pay attention while in autopilot as it isn't full self driving yet. He wasn't paying attention, hence no skid marks or swerving.
Alex is the*perfect* 'strait man' for this show, he is hilarious, but never laughs and stays on topic 💯% of the time!
Regarding loss of trucking jobs, if cars are smaller with no storage space then I assume people will have to have their groceries and other items delivered to them via some sort of larger delivery vehicle. For security reasons many items will still require a human driver to interact with the recipient.
Why do we think we need cars? If they become self driving, why not turn that into a completely different system? Do we need to own a car? I like my car, but for urban people it appeared to me when I lived in Toronto, Canada, many people didn't need to purchase a car. They have an incredibly awesome and easily accessible transit system.
Invent an electical line or magnetic type line extremely economically little vehicles that can mount and be propelled to their destination. No gas needed.
Are you thinking of trams?
What about the people that live in rural or remote locations such as farmers
Neil's laugh is life
Brings Upload on Amazon to mind 😅
Watching!
chuck's Shirt is awesome i want it.
Me : Can't buy a normal car.....
Also Me : I want a Self Driving Flying Car....
Porfavor pongan subtítulos en español. 🥺.
Today I bought Astrophysics for people in a hurry.. so thrilled
So smart
I wonder if light travels so far how do we know if the stars are even still there? Sorry it's not of this show, didn't know where to ask you. Always like your thoughts and info, Thank you!
How about finding ways to not make people have to move around as much, such as between work and home?
Teleporters
Pandemic lockdown took care of that
I think that people who don’t wanna change to self driving shouldn’t have to
@13:20 there is also the Faraday Future electric car.
so for an autonomous commercial truck, will it cut down time? or will that even matter if no one's getting paid to get it there. AND if it's a longhaul truck, what if there's some accident wherever it is in the US? like there's a landslide or it gets damaged by weather. does someone have to get all the way out there and fix it?
That initial description of the self driving car and where are you going to park it and so on... Thats why we have a bus system and a subway system..
Dont get me wrong I'm all for Tesla and the advances that come along with it. Hey I'm just bashing the intro a bit, what can i say i'm urban.
Will self driving cars free up law enforcement? Wouldn't this eventually eliminate most traffic stops for police?
Interesting 🤔
An autonomous Ambulance would be pretty interesting to.
I figured traffic stops could be done away with radar cameras and mailed tickets
How do we or can we Measure light speed ?
We'll always need drivers in trucks. The infrastructure in cities especially would have to be completely tore up and redone for trucks to drive themselves. A driverless truck in a city like NY or Chicago would be stuck at turns. Streets are too narrow and since it follows lanes it wouldn't know how or when to make a buttonhook turn. So it would sit at an intersection needing to make a right turn and not able to. It'll take a driver to drive in cities. Out on the interstates, yeah i can see it happening but as soon as it exits it'll need a driver. There's also the question of it being able to see the road in severe weather like we have in Wyoming. It's often complete whiteout conditions with the road completely covered in several inches of ice and snow. How's it going to see the roads/lanes?
The cost of changing all the infrastructure is going to be huge. Not likely to happen in the near future.
Formula 1 canceled so I listen to Neil talk about cars
Clutchyfinger Did it cancel because of Corona?
Much better use of time.
Tesla thumbnail clickbait. This episode was from 2017.
Brian Marks waat?
I was hoping for a section on how the road/rail infrastructure needs to be improved so these services are actually viable outside big cities
$25 a hour is median. 🤨
I’m underpaid!
$25 an hour is a fortune. It's not the median for 99% of the world
Holden Caulfield the US median is closer to $17.50-18 an hour for an individual. They’re either talking about a specific region or just wrong
in Norway, our minimum wage is around 19.5 dollars per hour. And our median wage is 60 dollars per hour. ;)
Rick Martony what are ups references
I see no sources in this thread
I feel like we won’t be able to sustain a only flying car environment because of varying weather conditions and environments conditions. I think it would have to be a mixture of both flying cars and automated cars with a decreased road way and replaced with a few landing zone. Either that or a combination of the two where in varying conditions it uses flying switching when it’s not viable to fly.
1886? Whoa.
"Fahrgastärger" an in-use antonym of the marketing term "Fahrvergnügen" means "passenger annoyance" that we all may soon feel as our cars obey the laws (far?) better than we do!
In a sentence, first page of Google:
"Großer Fahrgastärger in Schleswig-Holstein über marode Bahn."
Major passenger annoyance in Schleswig-Holstein over ailing railway. (or so Google insists)
Less traffic would cut down my Star Talk time😳😂
Hey Neil, I don't really know how to text you in another way because I don't got Twitter. But have you seen "the expanse"? It has a lot of accurate physics and I'd love to See what you have to say about that
I believe that the discussion about the millions of people losing their jobs from this needs to be at the fore front of the topic. That being said, I would like to hear about the hyperloop technology and how that could fit into this puzzle.
This is why yang's whole campaign was about UBI at the center to help with this transition.
Hi...
Is it worth the stress,and hazzel, and the costs, for these self driving car,ECT...?
This is essentially the beta testing of autonomous vehicles, "self driving" cars today still require a driver, its more along the lines of advanced assisted driving.
It is awesome that Tesla is getting the recognition he should have had when he was alive. One of the most inteligent minds to have existed and he always thought of safety with his ideas.
If it changes to flying cars imagine how much materials and space will be available for use like in cities that’s so much space and materials for roads and that infrastructure
As phone companies pay landowners to put a tower on their property could companies using drones pay people for for docking/ charging stations.?
What happen when you get a detour, or road work when lane is gone?
The problem I see with trucks drafting off each other to save time, what happens when another truck joins the group? All the trucks behind the new comer, would have to slow down, which would create a slight backup. Lots of trucks entering along the route would create another traffic jam. Thoughts?
Since all the cars are networked, they would know that more trucks are joining and with pinpoint calculations in unison they would all.adjust to fit and make room.for the new trucks entering the mix.
Salute
Anyone got a link for the new Cosmos in the uk?
The result they want to achieve closely resembles a fully autonomous Taxi
Andrew Yang's ears are burning.
Yup true fact
18:27 Ghost busters!
that would eliminate trafic lights and stops because the car would know to adjust at intersections
I guess
That would be Cross 3 Surgeons Life , Liberty A
Ohhh Golly Gee...and this guy isnt biased towards Google
He should be. Biased against them. Google is garbage.
This set looks like The Compound?
when he said California stop that hurt my soul.
Honolulu is up there with bad traffic conditions
Most of is have a hard time waiting 13 seconds through a RUclips commercials, I wouldn't wait 10 minutes for a screwdriver. I'd end up breaking open or jimmying whatever it was.
like for Neil👍
18:29 When Neil asked "Who ya gonna call?", I said "Ghost Busters!", Que theme song! XD
BTW, I think the first one is better than the rest, in my opinion.
Same.
How long do you have charge. It I think I can beat any electric car too Florida, if they have to change it for 5 hrs at 65 m p h guess how far ahead I will will be .
Charging time and range varies with the type of car and the type of charger you are using. Most of the time, charging can be done while having lunch or other stops while you take a break. The thing that makes you question impossible to answer is that you haven't said how many miles it is for you to drive to Florida.
Every Disruption in history has always made 4 times the amount of new jobs...
you should interview Tony Seba....
Volt was discontinued last year BTW
Does Tesla’s autopilot mode have an override built into it so that if something like that happens again that you would be able to still stop the car yourself even while it’s still in autopilot? If not they definitely should put that into the autopilot system
Yes, turning the wheel beyond its autosteer resistance, pushing the brake, or pushing the stalk forward will immediately disengage autopilot
17:50 Truck drivers will evolve to truck security guards.
A completelly "peopleless" truck should be a very easy pray in the middle of the road.
The truck drives itself, and alert the guard if something like a roadblock comes up.
18:28 Ghost Busters
Google pod car? What?
19:31 - 21:31 - point/counterpoint to the statement.
Boeing 737 MAX. Software failure HAS lead to innocent deaths within the transport industry. there HAS been consequences from that incident, and most importantly lessons were learned (hopefully). The same examples and legal framework will be able to be used as a template of sorts while creating the standards for autonomous personal transport. Unfortunately it may have a slight lag behind the technological edge, as most legal instances do...
It's always easier to create a paradigm shift for the transport vehicle itself then to design a whole ecosystem of new tech just around an existing one. Agree?
With going to a "free market" of direct trade & community borrowing, this would take money out of local businesses & reduce profits & increase costs. Causing everything else to increase in price, causing people to take a different route & use alternative solutions. This reduces even more consumers, reducing profits to the point of closing.
At this point the worry would be thing like; amateur producers, ignorant instructors & kitchen surgeons. The amount of innovation will skyrocket; so would injuries and people trying things without knowledge, tools, or safety gear to keep "some form of their previous life", of monetary conveniences and have something else take care of their work or responsibilities. Creating things for people who can't maintain or fix the things; creating codependency. ??
I’m legal to drive, but visually impaired, self driving cars are significant for me. I have a Tesla 3 with FSD, as it is it is much safer for me. As eyes become worse this tech gives me safe freedom.
can you get George Hotz on the show?
I like how the description of a parking garage was so difficult for him... lol he’s too smart for our “basic” words...
I listen to Audiobooks all the time, and I never drive a car. 🤣
There's traffic at toll booths?
Neil is a James Bond villain, who's evil tick is his chuckle.
LOL I can see this.
Could you imagine him and Andrew Yang together.
13:30 Nikola Tesla did not use a middle name. If he was given one, it is unknown and was never used by him on any important documents. Tesla was born on July 10, 1856 in what is now Croatia, and immigrated to the United States in June 1884.
Episode Published on a "Friday the 13" 😝
The Kiwibot is already there doing deliveries
Maybe Andrew Yang’s UBI needs to be revisited?
Now You Know has done a very comprehensive set of videos on this and it is much better in every way.
And it's not three years old.