The Ethics and Safety of Driverless Cars with Neil deGrasse Tyson & Malcolm Gladwell

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  • Опубликовано: 24 июл 2021
  • Is there an ethical dilemma with self-driving cars? Are driverless cars safe? In this clip with Malcolm Gladwell and Neil deGrasse Tyson, they discuss the Trolley Problem with self-driving cars, Google's self-driving car project Waymo, and the idea that autonomous vehicles might be liberating pedestrians to do whatever they want. Also discussed: Are AI systems inherently racist? How dangerous will self-driving cars be in New York City and what autonomous cars mean for bicycle rides in big cities?
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  • @teruphoto
    @teruphoto 2 года назад +225

    A beaming commentary on human nature: people will acts like jerks if there are no consequences.

    • @theprogrammer1
      @theprogrammer1 2 года назад +5

      For sure, and not only "innocents" which jaywalk but hackers and malicious parties who could exploit these "autonomous" systems much more easily than a human driver.
      While today it's necessary to hack into the car's systems itself (which has been proven to be possible numerous times), these cars will be much easier to manipulate as they rely a lot on external data, and as we know user generated input is one of the easiest vectors of attack.

    • @AlabasterJazz
      @AlabasterJazz 2 года назад +6

      Agreed for the most part. A lot of people lack integrity. However, a few of us actually behave according to an internal ruleset, and will do so even if we aren't being observed.

    • @insane_troll
      @insane_troll 2 года назад +2

      It certainly explains a lot of comments on RUclips.

    • @HopeIsFleeting
      @HopeIsFleeting 2 года назад +4

      Not the case. Often what is attributed to human nature is actually human cultural and societal norms. For example in the UK, most people will stop at a red light, even if it's the middle of nowhere, there are no other cars on the road and zero chance of getting caught. Humans are highly conditioned in a myriad of ways which makes the idea of 'human nature' somewhat of a myth.

    • @erikscott1049
      @erikscott1049 2 года назад +1

      In video games where death is nothing. People treat killing someone as a casual insult or a prank.

  • @dallaswood4117
    @dallaswood4117 2 года назад +23

    I can’t wait to see impatient drivers in self driving cars lose their minds when all cars on the road are treated equally and they can’t drive aggressively

  • @owengilchrist8143
    @owengilchrist8143 2 года назад +42

    My favorite quote, “Here I am on a podcast with Neil deGrasse, and I am the one defending science!” I about spit out my coffee.

  • @tanvirapu885
    @tanvirapu885 2 года назад +235

    Test all the Autonomous Car in India. Specially Mumbai or Chennai. The ultimate driving test of both Human and Ai.

    • @SL-vs7fs
      @SL-vs7fs 2 года назад +14

      Hahahahahahaha… The AI will go dormant and never return.

    • @premsontakke2298
      @premsontakke2298 2 года назад +15

      We Indians don't take road safety seriously, and this not something to brag about but to be ashamed of.

    • @sufsanin1917
      @sufsanin1917 2 года назад +3

      After they graduate the Mumbai and Chennai take them to Dhaka Bangladesh, the ULTIMATE test.

    • @tanvirapu885
      @tanvirapu885 2 года назад +3

      @@sufsanin1917 bro, I'm from Bangladesh as well, Dhaka traffic is slowest in the world but the traffic of Mumbai is something else. Nothing can be compared with it. The only word that can justify, "CRAZY"

    • @sufsanin1917
      @sufsanin1917 2 года назад

      @@tanvirapu885 Does Mumbai have rickshaws?

  • @DampeS8N
    @DampeS8N 2 года назад +210

    "The only reason we don't ride our bikes everywhere is the fear that we'll get hit."
    I can honestly say that this reason _never entered my mind_ because well before this, I rejected the idea because _I am fat and lazy._
    -Edit. And privileged. I'm also privileged. Thank you Deathstroke.

    • @Joeballs187
      @Joeballs187 2 года назад +18

      See I have no choice but to ride a bike or walk

    • @dannymartial7997
      @dannymartial7997 2 года назад +14

      My first thought was because places are far away.

    • @Myrddnn
      @Myrddnn 2 года назад +1

      Honesty. How refreshing!

    • @ryang6k
      @ryang6k 2 года назад +2

      @@Joeballs187 What about public Transit

    • @insane_troll
      @insane_troll 2 года назад +6

      Not having a bike also makes it difficult to ride one everywhere.

  • @timbruns1636
    @timbruns1636 2 года назад +82

    You can program the cars to honk and keep on honking loudly when they realise that its unusual/inappropiate crossing. And automatcally call the police. There are still rules.

    • @OGMrWayne
      @OGMrWayne 2 года назад +1

      Preach @TimBruns. I agree, as long as it has a processor, it's tech and it can be programmed.

    • @AndElite
      @AndElite 2 года назад +4

      And they always have camera watching to give to the Police and "prove their innocence".

    • @PghFlip
      @PghFlip 2 года назад +3

      This was my first thought... they have to "injure" the misbehaving pedestrian, if only injury to the pleasure of their inappropriate walk... focused sonics that make them feel uneasy... we'll slowly train them to be better peds. Pavlov would be proud. ;)

    • @UTU49
      @UTU49 2 года назад +6

      Driverless cars should handle misbehaving pedestrians the same way you handle misbehaving cats.
      Equip the driverless cars with squirt guns.
      Problem solved.

    • @FredPlanatia
      @FredPlanatia 2 года назад +5

      they could have a version for NYC that honks and doesn't slow down

  • @justinvonmoss6925
    @justinvonmoss6925 2 года назад +22

    When Neil asked “how do you convince people that 2000 deaths is better than 35,000 deaths?” I thought to myself that is simultaneously the dumbest and smartest question I’ve ever heard.

    • @vr4042
      @vr4042 2 года назад +6

      When you've been following EVs for a while its even more understandable. Every time a Tesla has an AI crash it is BIG news, yet the facts show Teslas operating on AI have nearly a ten fold lower chance of an accident than a human alone.

    • @robertbushnell781
      @robertbushnell781 2 года назад +2

      So very true really depends if you are 1 of the 2000 or 1 of the 35000 that would skew your thinking!!

    • @justinvonmoss6925
      @justinvonmoss6925 2 года назад +3

      ​@@robertbushnell781, but you cannot know which group you will be a part of, or even if you will be a part of either group. So the optimal choice is to choose the smaller number of deaths so that you and your loved ones have the lowest chance of being hurt.

  • @theangrygamer1008
    @theangrygamer1008 2 года назад +68

    I'm so ahead of the game. I asked my driving instructor back in the late 80s what would happen if a car arrived at each point of a crossroads simultaneously, who would have right of way. Wouldn't they just all sit there forever? (I was kinda green back then) He said not to worry because nobody on the road is that polite
    Well, psych! I win.

    • @harsimranbansal5355
      @harsimranbansal5355 2 года назад +6

      Here in canada its a law that the person on the right of you would have right of way, and usually that never happens, but if it does, theres always one aggressive one out of the bunch.

    • @SL-vs7fs
      @SL-vs7fs 2 года назад +3

      @@harsimranbansal5355but every driver is on the right of another. You are right this gets resolved because somebody is more aggressive.

    • @ilin76bb
      @ilin76bb 2 года назад +2

      hi simon, iam your car teacher from back in the 80´s. and i gonna say iam disappointed in you because you just a piece of shiat.

    • @PghFlip
      @PghFlip 2 года назад +4

      @@harsimranbansal5355 That's what i was taught... if the car to the right arrived at the same time as you, let them go. (Although cars arriving simultaneously at all points of an intersection causes a problem.)

    • @bobby_greene
      @bobby_greene 2 года назад +3

      I remember hearing about a question on a driving test, I think in Germany, that asks who what order 4 vehicles that arrive at an intersection would go. The vehicles were yours, a police car, a postal vehicle, and an ambulance.

  • @DonnaFernstrom
    @DonnaFernstrom 2 года назад +184

    The thing is, a lot of self-driving cars will have a passenger on board. And even if the car won't hit you, that passenger is likely to get out and punch you. So I think this is a social issue that passengers will solve. lol

    • @kylonbrooks140
      @kylonbrooks140 2 года назад +5

      Does the car let u get out at any point u want though?

    • @CarbonFiberSpoon
      @CarbonFiberSpoon 2 года назад +1

      @@kylonbrooks140 My guess would be that it is in Waymo's best interests not to let that happen. A sore loser will find that car an easy target

    • @vinsanity40k
      @vinsanity40k 2 года назад +1

      the laws of robotics would need to allow the AI to hit pedestrian traffic if it prevents the passenger from getting from point A to point B. 😄

    • @sevret313
      @sevret313 2 года назад +1

      Better have a club to beat back as a pedestrian. The real social issues is the amount of space cars take up.

    • @jstewart_1
      @jstewart_1 2 года назад

      Came here to say the same thing.

  • @erikbradshaw225
    @erikbradshaw225 2 года назад +115

    Solution
    All the cops who were handing out traffic violations, now instead can pass out tickets to pedestrians.

    • @S0UPIE
      @S0UPIE 2 года назад +4

      Solution
      social credit

    • @ddsjgvk
      @ddsjgvk 2 года назад +2

      @@S0UPIE you drunk or joking. Or do you want to be a robot

    • @S0UPIE
      @S0UPIE 2 года назад

      @@ddsjgvk i am joking, i think the base concept is really good. the real problem is how and where they implement it

    • @sujanaryal833
      @sujanaryal833 2 года назад

      @@S0UPIE as far as I know even China never implemented that. Even the base concept isn't that good.

    • @davidevans3227
      @davidevans3227 Год назад

      lol

  • @alexpettit3265
    @alexpettit3265 2 года назад +51

    "The only thing preventing us from riding our bicycle everywhere is fear"? Or maybe not all of us live in a big city and riding a bicycle would make our commute 4 hours each way...

    • @kyoopihd
      @kyoopihd 2 года назад +8

      And like, weather?

    • @akunog3665
      @akunog3665 2 года назад +5

      yeah, people get into their own bubble and assume the rest of the world shares their same problem-set lol. I love riding my bike, but it takes me 20 minutes in a car (mostly highway) to get to work.. this would be insane 2x a day on a bike, when would I sleep?
      I do agree if I lived downtown in some larger city, a car would be almost worthless. More liability to find parking and get vandalized than convenient. It's all perspective.

    • @tobyonatabe2601
      @tobyonatabe2601 2 года назад

      @@kyoopihd I’m 99% sure ur not made of sugar.

    • @Zaroth66
      @Zaroth66 2 года назад +4

      @@akunog3665 On the large scale, a major factor is the fear/lack of safe infrastructure. People at their intelligence never truly mean everyone, they mean a large enough portion to be a strong majority..

    • @brandonm1708
      @brandonm1708 Год назад +1

      The way to solve that issue? Make cities dense enough to be bike-able (which doesn’t mean skyscrapers, it only needs 3-6 story mixed use buildings). Nearly everywhere outside farms in the Netherlands have bike infrastructure that the majority of people there use, and it works perfectly fine, because of how their infrastructure is built! No need for self-driving cars, either!

  • @ImtiazMirza
    @ImtiazMirza 2 года назад +3

    It can't get any better, Neil DeGrasse Tyson and Malcolm Gladwell talking about self-driving car!!
    Please arrange more of this.

  • @cloudrouju526
    @cloudrouju526 2 года назад +45

    I’m concerned about the cars. Just imagine, if there are cars on the road, it would drastically change the relationship between people and horses.

    • @NoobTubez
      @NoobTubez 2 года назад +2

      Nice!

    • @ItsOnlyGenjutsu
      @ItsOnlyGenjutsu 2 года назад

      Noice!

    • @UTU49
      @UTU49 2 года назад +3

      If you are going to be that sensible, then you are not allowed to post on the internet.

    • @cloudrouju526
      @cloudrouju526 2 года назад +1

      UTU49 If you’re completely impervious to humor, then you should not read and reply to posts you read on the internet.

    • @ChrisTheWeak
      @ChrisTheWeak 2 года назад +2

      @@cloudrouju526 You need a better reading comprehension.

  • @SL-vs7fs
    @SL-vs7fs 2 года назад +22

    I will say it again. Going from drunks driving cars to cars driving drunks is progress!

  • @sebastianfernandez2905
    @sebastianfernandez2905 2 года назад +4

    Probably the best science influencer with an excellent dynamic with its videos. Guest speakers providing their knowledge, Neil simplifying and/or adding incredible information to us, and lastly our lovely Chuck, understanding and going with the flow of the conversation while still cracking jokes to put a smile on your face (tbh I sometimes need to rewind or look up stuff to understand certain things further ~mad respect~).

  • @JarodWilliamson
    @JarodWilliamson 2 года назад +19

    To have such high level thinking and ridiculously silly laughs in one episode was amazing!

    • @bshef3424
      @bshef3424 Год назад

      ....makes you wonder what Einstein's Laugh sounded like? 🤓..😅

  • @ArdrichTKeybus
    @ArdrichTKeybus 2 года назад +13

    I would like to know how self-driving cars handle snowy conditions.

    • @jpe1
      @jpe1 2 года назад +7

      Given my experiences with my Tesla, I would say that autonomous cars handle snowy conditions very poorly. A light snowfall (or fog, or heavy rain) is enough to get the Tesla autopilot to disengage. I’m sure that is one of the reasons Waymo tested first in Phoenix not Buffalo.

    • @Rob_TheOne
      @Rob_TheOne 2 года назад +2

      If they don't know how to drift they don't know how to drive in the snow...

    • @jeremyh9033
      @jeremyh9033 2 года назад

      @@jpe1 heavy rain? I've only had autopilot refuse to engage once in heavy rain and it was so bad most people were just stopped at the side of the road. I've actually been really impressed with how well it handles rain. Haven't been able to try it with snow yet, but I imagine if the lines were covered it wouldn't work. Of course, it may be a slight difference in autopilot versions/hardware. I got my model 3 in early 2021.

    • @UTU49
      @UTU49 2 года назад +1

      I would bet you a million dollars that even if driverless cars don't handle snowy conditions particularly well, they would still be far better than most human drivers.
      The last time I was driving in terrible snowy conditions, everyone was driving extremely well. But that was only because all the bad drivers had already slid off the road and into a ditch.

    • @billh.1940
      @billh.1940 Год назад

      It will drive you to hot, dry place, like California .

  • @jeremiahcaven7299
    @jeremiahcaven7299 2 года назад +3

    Gladwell is the perfect guest for this channel. The chemistry is palpable. More, please!

  • @fredrikhagman2724
    @fredrikhagman2724 2 года назад +11

    I worked active safely in the car industry 15 years ago and we used to talk a lot about how pedestrians will “abuse” the system. It’s an interesting problem, but it is not something nobody thought about before.

  • @anon123214
    @anon123214 2 года назад +4

    I don't understand why he just didn't say something akin to: "As software developers, we need to keep in mind every person in every given situation, but if those conditions aren't met then there's a real problem that needs to be solved before we move on."

  • @keithrosenberg5486
    @keithrosenberg5486 2 года назад +30

    People will walk out into traffic not leaving enough time for the self driving vehicle to stop.

    • @CarFreeSegnitz
      @CarFreeSegnitz 2 года назад +5

      Maybe. But I expect a self-driving car, and all the other self-driving cars around it, will figure out how to safely swerve around the jaywalker.
      A new sport may arise... how to mess with self-driving cars "most effectively". How many cars can you make stop with a single action? How close to getting hit? Can you illicit profanities from one or more self-driving cars?

    • @Daveyk021
      @Daveyk021 2 года назад +1

      @@CarFreeSegnitz Yes, but then, thanks to that new sport, a human driven car will rear end the self driving car. Maybe the car can figure out to apply the brakes in a few micro seconds, but it still takes the human a second to realize that.

    • @lowmax4431
      @lowmax4431 2 года назад

      @@CarFreeSegnitz have you taken a physics class? that's not physically possible if you step into a path of a car moving fast enough lol.

    • @okaydetar821
      @okaydetar821 2 года назад +2

      ​@@lowmax4431 an A.I simply wont let a person get close enough while it is moving fast enough, drving A.I's tend to do this thing where they not only read the current information, but also predict a bunch of future possibilities and plans accordingly, the A.I will already have planned for the possibility of you doing this, and will have planned a way to avoid it.

    • @nobodyknows3180
      @nobodyknows3180 2 года назад +1

      Self-driving cars react faster than human drivers. If a person steps out into traffic any faster than that, they didn't have a chance anyway.

  • @FernandoFaleiro
    @FernandoFaleiro 2 года назад +10

    Something that i wll do right now: I ll schedule to watch this clip again in 5 and 10 years.

    • @darrell3643
      @darrell3643 2 года назад +2

      You're a man that thinks long term. I think that you will or have done well in life.

    • @FernandoFaleiro
      @FernandoFaleiro 2 года назад +1

      @@darrell3643 😍😍😍

    • @fake9895
      @fake9895 2 года назад +1

      RUclips will do it for you I guess!.

    • @UTU49
      @UTU49 2 года назад

      @@FernandoFaleiro
      Ooooooh. I like it.

  • @sophiamarchildon3998
    @sophiamarchildon3998 2 года назад

    Great explanation of corner cases!

  • @riblets1968
    @riblets1968 2 года назад +1

    Best quip in this entire conversation comes near the end from Malcolm Gladwell. Priceless!

  • @rolandrohde
    @rolandrohde 2 года назад +4

    The issue I see with self-driving cars is, that they might work perfectly when conditions are fine, but they rarely are. There are so many weird construction sites, detours, closed lanes and unmarket backroads here in Germany that even human drivers are constantly confused. I don't think an AI stands a chance...

    • @Tantalus010
      @Tantalus010 2 года назад +1

      I wouldn't worry about that. They've already started testing/training for weird conditions like Halloween in the US, where a bunch of kids are out on the street at dusk or after dark wearing all kinds of costumes. So it's not like they aren't considering abnormal conditions. Secondly, humans are sometimes going to be confused by situations that wouldn't confuse a computer. Just because humans have some difficulty driving in certain circumstances doesn't necessarily mean self-driving cars will also have difficulties in that situation.

    • @rolandrohde
      @rolandrohde 2 года назад +1

      @@Tantalus010
      Let's hope so!

  • @iPuzzlePirate
    @iPuzzlePirate 2 года назад +4

    And what happened in American Football when they started wearing hard helmets?
    They started using their helmets as a weapon, and concussions are a real issue now.

  • @dk-fk4xm
    @dk-fk4xm 2 года назад +1

    Hi all. You ought to know this is just a segment of the whole episode and the whole thing is so worth it to watch.

  • @akasmokey9908
    @akasmokey9908 2 года назад +2

    Love this channel! Very few people have the capability to combine scientific knowledge and comedy. With Neil, Chuck and their guess, I always learn something new, or a different perspective on something that I already knew, and laugh while doing so! Thanks Dr. Tyson!

  • @cadewestenhagen4666
    @cadewestenhagen4666 2 года назад +8

    I think there is an analogous situation to draw from here: Elevators, manned then unmanned and now ubiquitous trust in them.

    • @francesbadger3401
      @francesbadger3401 2 года назад +1

      They're unmanned, but they're directly controlled by the occupants. There's no AI involved.

    • @timdowney6721
      @timdowney6721 2 года назад +1

      @@francesbadger3401
      The passengers just chose the floor to stop at. The system does the rest. Granted, it has limited options.

    • @UTU49
      @UTU49 2 года назад +1

      Isn't that a faulty analogy?
      Elevators are not deadly. They do not involve varying speeds, steering, or obstacles.

    • @UTU49
      @UTU49 2 года назад +1

      @@francesbadger3401
      Agreed. I'm sure they are all managed by computers now, but the programming would be less than 1% as complicated as the programming for driverless cars.

  • @obiwan8972
    @obiwan8972 2 года назад +3

    Was this podcast and veritasiums waymo a coordinated upload?

    • @timauth
      @timauth 2 года назад

      That's where i heard it... Veritasium Thank you it was driving me crazy

  • @II-xw6kg
    @II-xw6kg 2 года назад

    Keep looking up

  • @EricDavidRocks
    @EricDavidRocks 2 года назад +2

    There may be no stat, but in traffic school 20 years ago, my instructor said "most" accidents happen because people are in a hurry, so plan to get anywhere you're going 15 minutes early. No wrecks or tickets since then.

  • @SteveBlethyn
    @SteveBlethyn 2 года назад +4

    As a driver of an emergency vehicle, I'd like to know if these cars get out of the way, as I've seen plenty of humans that totally ignore sirens and flashing lights

    • @Luumus
      @Luumus 2 года назад +1

      Saw a video on Veritaserum that mentioned that the google cars pick up sounds particularly siren sounds so that they can pull over immediately to let emergency vehicle pass

    • @Martin-se3ij
      @Martin-se3ij 2 года назад +2

      @@Luumus I think the Teslas hear sirens also. The future will be without sirens as the vehicles will communicate with each other
      and traffic would part like the red sea to let a silent emergency vehicle pass.

  • @WhyPee24
    @WhyPee24 2 года назад +7

    Y'all should've collabed with Veritasium on this!

    • @blackhole1315
      @blackhole1315 2 года назад +1

      That would be amazing

    • @user-yt2xv1gs7l
      @user-yt2xv1gs7l 2 года назад +1

      It's from a relatively old podcast

    • @Q_QQ_Q
      @Q_QQ_Q 2 года назад +2

      he is only a presenter .

    • @WhyPee24
      @WhyPee24 2 года назад

      @@Q_QQ_Q Still, they've collabed with RUclipsrs before like Vsauce, MKBHD, so its not too far off

    • @steve-o6413
      @steve-o6413 2 года назад

      Ya right Neil deGrasse Tyson needs to consult with him lol...

  • @solomoncumquats776
    @solomoncumquats776 2 года назад

    Woah I never thought of that

  • @ZootSuitJZ
    @ZootSuitJZ 2 года назад +2

    A point of contention. Even with self driving cars (which I'm very much in favor of), I'd still never ride my bike. For two primary reasons. One, even though I live in a major metropolitan city (Detroit), places are still too far apart, especially for the average of 150 miles per day that I drive. And two, we have very harsh winters, which is prohibitive of bicycle riding.
    While your guest made many great points, he does have a narrow mindset of an individual whose life is wrapped up in a relatively small space (NYC). The rest of the country isn't NYC; it's very different.

  • @ooSreckoo
    @ooSreckoo 2 года назад +6

    I'm sooooo lonely. I need more friends like you guys.

    • @UTU49
      @UTU49 2 года назад

      Well, if it makes you feel any better, that was really heart-warming.

  • @keithrosenberg5486
    @keithrosenberg5486 2 года назад +5

    Weather and disability are also reasons not to ride a bike. Distance traveled too.

    • @SophiaAphrodite
      @SophiaAphrodite 2 года назад +1

      They are clearly talking about people who CAN ride somewhere would.

    • @reversethepolarityoftheneu773
      @reversethepolarityoftheneu773 2 года назад +1

      Also not wanting to do exercise

    • @timauth
      @timauth 2 года назад +1

      @@reversethepolarityoftheneu773 ikr ...its SO hard

  • @SO3rl
    @SO3rl 2 года назад

    Great guest to have on!

  • @jaidadeclouette1989
    @jaidadeclouette1989 2 года назад

    Awesome video!

  • @benjaminx9531
    @benjaminx9531 2 года назад +11

    12:05 is a serious question regarding autonomous sensors. “Clear street ahead, keep going” lol

    • @HexerPsy
      @HexerPsy 2 года назад

      You would hope they add sensors that could help the car see in the dark.
      And they build in priority that if a sensor detects a persons - when in doubt with the other sensors, it will reduce speed/stop.
      The other thing is - lets say we get near reducing nearly all traffic deaths to 0.
      At some point there is going to be a law or security standard - some country on the globe is going to enforce this - that new cars after year 20XX will need to pass a certain safety test. We do crash testing now on cars - there will be an AI test and sensor test in the future.
      Its cheaper for the manifacturer to build only a few models of the cars - and having high safety features will be a selling point. After there is a first country, the majority of cars being sold will be much safer.
      Its going to be late, as all new laws on tech always are - but it will be there.

    • @jimkurth
      @jimkurth 2 года назад +6

      Thermal/infrared cameras as a secondary navigation tracking. Thay way, even if there is a lot of heat registering in the street, the car can avoid it. Forward looking infared is an early 80s technology.

  • @travismester
    @travismester 2 года назад +6

    “These guys are crazy! I can’t wash my hands in the airport!”
    Line of the clip!

    • @lisear2926
      @lisear2926 2 года назад +1

      ... and my Band-Aid is finally skin color

    • @loctite222ms
      @loctite222ms 2 года назад

      All he had to do is turn his hands palms up. Thought he would be smart enough to figure that out.

  • @TheArcantosDraconian
    @TheArcantosDraconian 2 года назад +1

    The biggest problem that this is not considering, is that the companies are not considering some of the psychology of driving. There's people out there who actually enjoy driving and wouldn't change to autonomous driving, in the same way there's a lot of people who prefer to drive mechanic over automatic, human preference will make it so that a lot of people will rather prefer to drive than have an autonomous car.

  • @stevekarvo6299
    @stevekarvo6299 2 года назад +2

    Look at it like this, planes can practically fly themselves now days, however would you enter a passenger plane that doesn't have a pilot?

  • @Nemesis-pe7mw
    @Nemesis-pe7mw 2 года назад +4

    I've seen this problem with AGV's. I helped implement it in a hospital and it gets even worse. Everyone will be testing the AGV's responsiveness. Like jumping in front of them.
    I think the problem is that many do not differentiate. Selfdriving cars in a predictable environment are great!
    The problem occurs when things happen they weren't prepared for. I'd argue, that having them in cities would be fine. On highways in remote areas may still cause issues.

    • @XFizzlepop-Berrytwist
      @XFizzlepop-Berrytwist 2 года назад

      Sure but probably less issues than we have still currently?

    • @ToastGamingNCrew
      @ToastGamingNCrew 2 года назад +1

      @@XFizzlepop-Berrytwist what issues do we currently have with driving on highways, that would be immediately fixed with selfdriving cars? Deer jumping out with no time to move out of the way? A car at highway speed requires some 500 feet to stop, and deer can jump put 200, or even 100 feet in front of you

  • @commonwin9980
    @commonwin9980 2 года назад +8

    My man looks like a black Christopher Walken 😂 Love the charisma 👌

    • @grejen711
      @grejen711 2 года назад

      Malcom is black?! huh? 100% Honestly never occurred to me to think of him as black. Honestly. I actually had to scroll back up to the video to be sure who you were referring to as being like Christopher Walken. I s'pose the 'fro might've clued me in but I never thought of that as strictly a black thing.

    • @commonwin9980
      @commonwin9980 2 года назад

      @@grejen711 It was just the first thing that popped in my head once I started the video lol

  • @cityman-mv6st
    @cityman-mv6st Год назад +1

    I've read three of his bestsellers , truly amazing author with brilliant insights .

  • @trayolphia5756
    @trayolphia5756 2 года назад

    There was a road safety campaign aboit 15-20 years ago here in Australia…showing a young lady crossing a street, an oncoming car is doing 5km/h over the posted speed limit, can’t slow down in time, and the woman is knocked down her head cracking the windshield etc…then the narrator rewinds and says “let’s just change one thing (down to actual speed limit)…the woman is still knocked down, but MUCH gentler and the campaign slogan comes up
    “5kmh slower, she’d only have a bruised leg”
    The campaign got pulled though because of some of the rules regarding depiction of collisions and accidents and rules regarding what can be shown, and why some things can’t be…
    Someone rightly pointed out “yes, a very important message…but let’s change one OTHER important aspect and change the slogan to go with it
    “5Koh slower she’d only have a bruised leg…but if she’d bothered to LOOK BEFORE CROSSING, she’d never get hit in the first place”

  • @TheAlondane
    @TheAlondane 2 года назад +4

    "...Plus [the self-driving vehicles] don't consume ethanol"
    *The Renewable Fuel Standard has entered the chat.

  • @karanamjeevan
    @karanamjeevan 2 года назад +3

    The bias of the kind mentioned is not possible in autonomous vehicles because there are usually installed with lidar, so they should be programmed to stop whatever comes infront of it.
    And even if it doesn't have lidar there will be infrared or other night time vision cameras and having all possible variation of dataset will solve the problem completely if it exists.

    • @tthinker9897
      @tthinker9897 2 года назад

      Tesla's do not use lidar. I think that they have another type of sensor though, but couldn't say what it is.

  • @toretennfjord1896
    @toretennfjord1896 Месяц назад

    This was so fun and interesting to watch

  • @johnminichielli8957
    @johnminichielli8957 2 года назад +2

    I remember a truck driver award given to a guy who drove 40 years without an accident. They asked him what his secret was and he said, "Never drive when you are angry or in a hurry". All self-driving cars will have his mindset.

  • @Myrddnn
    @Myrddnn 2 года назад +5

    Anyone who thinks that autonomous vehicles mean it's ok to mess with it and the people riding in them with this kind of childishness needs to be locked up for serious time for their own well being.

    • @Alex-02
      @Alex-02 2 года назад

      I don't think most people will actually do this

    • @Myrddnn
      @Myrddnn 2 года назад

      @@Alex-02 Sadly, there are videos of many people trying to "outsmart" the autopilot. So I don't hold out hope that this would be beyond the pale for them....

  • @jynx2501
    @jynx2501 2 года назад +7

    "The only reason we dont ride our bikes everywhere is because we're terrified of being hit."
    Naaaah, the 30° hills and 10 miles between me and my destination are the reason I dont ride my bike everywhere...

    • @Yumemaru.
      @Yumemaru. 2 года назад

      He's talking about cities where you have to go small distances lol.

  • @phillipbertrand8514
    @phillipbertrand8514 2 года назад

    One of the best videos I have seen in a very long time. Funny and very thoughtful.

  • @LRBO
    @LRBO 2 года назад

    I like this editing :)

  • @225Kristoph
    @225Kristoph 2 года назад +3

    Unless they also find a way for brakes to stop a car instantaneously, you would still be at considerable risk if you decided to play in traffic.

  • @mytinylab
    @mytinylab 2 года назад +3

    The cars have people inside and these people can get mad and some of these mad people will get out of the car. It's like people walking on the sidewalk. We follow the flow and rules of walking on the sidewalk. If the cars were empty then yes, people would jaywalk wherever they wanted.

  • @fpoulin4592
    @fpoulin4592 2 года назад

    Thanks that was fun.

  • @jasongoodwin8702
    @jasongoodwin8702 2 года назад

    When you say program the car to be a little bit crazy, I immediately thought of Arnold's Total Recall movie with Johnny Cab.

  • @CharAznableLoNZ
    @CharAznableLoNZ 2 года назад +4

    Glad I own a brand new truck with a stick. Feels like the way this guy talks it's going to be the last real vehicle I get to drive anymore before we are all forced to pay subscription services for transportation pods.

    • @Plystire
      @Plystire 2 года назад

      If it's public transport, it'd just come out of your taxes.

    • @CharAznableLoNZ
      @CharAznableLoNZ 2 года назад +2

      @@Plystire if it's public it will likely be overcrowded and poorly maintained. Worse it will be unusable anywhere outside of a city.

    • @billh.1940
      @billh.1940 Год назад

      If it is public, the management and fees will go to the mayor's friend's. Some things never change.

  • @TheLadiGigi
    @TheLadiGigi 2 года назад +3

    America will never go all the way autonomous because driving means freedom to Americans.

    • @morbidmanmusic
      @morbidmanmusic 2 года назад +2

      I thought that freedom was no masks, and guns. Travel is freedom, not cars specifically.

    • @TheLadiGigi
      @TheLadiGigi 2 года назад

      @@morbidmanmusic Freedom is protecting yourself. That means wearing a mask, having weapons and being able to go where you want. Which for most people, that means having a car.

    • @steve-o6413
      @steve-o6413 2 года назад

      @@morbidmanmusic nothing is free anymore, just like Energy, Water and Air...

  • @NielvanSteenderen
    @NielvanSteenderen 2 года назад +1

    I love watching these guys

  • @drottningu
    @drottningu 2 года назад

    That was one of the best episodes yet, thanks for the laughs!

  • @cyberoptic5757
    @cyberoptic5757 2 года назад +3

    Wouldn't you consider having a self-driving software on the show? That would be logical

  • @sayeager5559
    @sayeager5559 2 года назад +21

    So nice to hear someone say its fine to get rid of cars in the city.

  • @niveshutube
    @niveshutube 2 года назад +2

    This one so informative and nuts I loved it! Awesome content folks, always learning from you.

  • @Raz.C
    @Raz.C 2 года назад +1

    I would like to see how a driverless car handles:
    - Aquaplaning
    - Loss of traction due to water on the road or oil on the road (from a previous accident)
    - A tyre blowout while driving, etc...
    A human can compensate for these things and I've no doubt that you could program a driverless car to be able to deal with such scenarios, but I really want to know if driverless cars are CURRENTLY able to deal with such scenarios.

  • @maschwab63
    @maschwab63 2 года назад +3

    They are running into the "not recognizing darker skin" problem with image recognition.

  • @RAkers-tu1ey
    @RAkers-tu1ey 2 года назад +6

    Yes! I drive a lot in downtown LA, and I can assure there are a lot of (people) in the streets who will wander around in the streets, just because they seem to enjoy messing with the people in the cars. These folks are , by virtue of their social status, pretty much arrest proof. I can't wait to see what actual solution is developed for this problem.

    • @brandonm1708
      @brandonm1708 Год назад +1

      I got a solution, walkable cities. Yes, making cities where people can easily walk around to get to work means that you don’t need to be in a self-driving car to get where you’re going, or can take transit or even bike. In fact, you don’t even need self/driving cars in the first place when that happens. The people who still go in cars know that it will take longer because of the inconsiderate pedestrians that exist, so you solve congestion in the process. And since walkable means that places are closer together, the trip times will actually decrease- even for cars.
      Cities, especially ones in the Netherlands have already done a lot of these things, and pedestrians almost always have right of way anyways, so the problem has pretty much been solved (despite not having actual self-driving cars, it’s similar conditions). This is also not mentioning all the other problems from car-centricity it solves (no more urban sprawl, economic sustainability, less energy intensive, no batteries that are unethically created, nicer place to live in, etc.)

  • @kathryntate6809
    @kathryntate6809 2 года назад

    This was great!!

  • @nyykSIUUU
    @nyykSIUUU 2 года назад

    We are 1:35 in and I have already heard a brand new perspective on this subject

  • @byronleblanc6064
    @byronleblanc6064 2 года назад +3

    I enjoyed this episode, a lot. Also everyone radiates heat, which is still a wave of light.

    • @blackhole1315
      @blackhole1315 2 года назад +1

      Same. In all fairness, though, every Startalk episode is enjoyable

  • @jamelahmcmillan8661
    @jamelahmcmillan8661 2 года назад +3

    Iam here

    • @jadecoley
      @jadecoley 2 года назад

      Me too.. hello 👋

  • @drummerboy6358
    @drummerboy6358 2 года назад +1

    I would do anything to have a meal with one of these legends 🙏🏽

  • @josuedominguez8631
    @josuedominguez8631 2 года назад +1

    Am I the only one who can’t believe the conversation focused on Waymo’s walled, mapped, training wheeled system instead of Tesla’s FSD that is figuring out real world driving on ALL roads?

  • @Urgelt
    @Urgelt 2 года назад +4

    Question: when will *all* cars be self-driving?
    Answer: not in this century. We'd have to outlaw manual driving. The public will not stand for that.
    Autonomy will displace a *lot* of manual driving, eventually. Risk to pedestrians will fall.
    But there will still be manual drivers; and so pedestrians will not have worry-free access to roads and highways.

  • @UnsaltedCashew38
    @UnsaltedCashew38 2 года назад +4

    Neil, kindly stop talking over your guests, let them talk and finish their thought, you already have most videos where you're doing the talking. Learn from Joe Rogan.

  • @rontubbs4707
    @rontubbs4707 Год назад

    Thanks!

  • @duddude321
    @duddude321 2 года назад

    Definitely some food for thought,
    You're riding over a two lane bridge at 55mph, there's a pedestrian walking on the right shoulder, and an oncoming truck in the other lane. The pedestrian suddenly leaps in front of your car, and with insufficient space to stop before striking the suicidal/inconceivably unlucky pedestrian what does your car decide to do? Does it A: Strike the pedestrian, B: Swerve into the oncoming truck, or C: Swerve off the bridge?

  • @jayspeidell
    @jayspeidell 2 года назад +1

    Almost got run off the road by a pickup for sport while I was biking last week. Road rage is pretty frequent. Also a carless driver almost nailed me head on at 45mph from the opposing lane. Came within a foot of dying there. I welcome self driving cars.

  • @dannyjared5730
    @dannyjared5730 2 года назад +1

    My first thought about when cars are self driving was that this will make theft sooooo easy. Step in front of a self driving semi, it will stop. Step in front of an armored car, it will stop.

  • @davidlane256
    @davidlane256 2 года назад

    Hey Chuck! I saw you in a commercial.

  • @fredericraymond2487
    @fredericraymond2487 2 года назад

    For the car detecting peoples, It can be easy using radar system and proximity sensor or some thermal camera.

  • @BrittonRobbins
    @BrittonRobbins 2 года назад +2

    You side-stepped the trolley problem. One core assumption in that exercise is that the trolley would not be able to stop in time so the choice must be made.

    • @briansmith8967
      @briansmith8967 2 года назад +1

      Exactly what I was thinking. There was some reason it couldn't stop so it had to decide.

  • @radioactive9861
    @radioactive9861 2 года назад +1

    "The Law Of Unintended Consequences" is the most often overlooked 'law' in the Universe.

    • @radioactive9861
      @radioactive9861 2 года назад

      On a side note: I don't need, nor do I want, a car to drive for me. I am 'perfectly' capable of driving myself...

  • @marxbanger2886
    @marxbanger2886 2 года назад

    great video! i love Malcolm Gladwell

  • @rafaelrafaelrafael
    @rafaelrafaelrafael 2 года назад +1

    If there are no one driving, we also wouldn't need stop lights or nearly any signs in the road (except for pedestrians) and the cars would move much faster than today. While they would do the best that they can to stop, there are no guarantees they will and it's pretty hard to stop a car going 100km/h (~60mi/h) or even more. It would be pretty scary crossing a road of vehicles moving that fast unless it was a quiet road and the car was far away (which people would totally jaywalk now anyway). So, I don't think that'll ultimately be a problem, although it may be a bit annoying during a transition period when most cars are self driving but not all.

    • @beeshin9945
      @beeshin9945 2 года назад

      Self driving cars are scary because the model is new. There were be different environments as the car promotes

  • @RedismycolorImDeadpool117
    @RedismycolorImDeadpool117 2 года назад

    FINALLY! Three people that are saying what I've been saying for two decades!!

  • @AdonaiZedek
    @AdonaiZedek 2 года назад

    So would traffic lights have to emit data to the cars or internet which tells them how many seconds till when green goes to yellow and red so the AI can calculate the distance to the light , current speed etc in order figure out if it should maintain speed or start to decelerate. Also could all light data be used to figure out an average speed to hit all green lights given traffic conditions.

  • @burgerchris1
    @burgerchris1 2 года назад +1

    One question i’ve always had with ai cars, what about the 3/4 and 1 ton trucks we use to haul and pull rv’s.

  • @mark92691
    @mark92691 2 года назад +1

    MG: "The only reason people don't ride bicycles is they're afraid of being hit." No, what about they don't want to get rained or snowed on, or they do want to carry six bags of groceries?

  • @alexander15551
    @alexander15551 2 года назад

    I’m from a relatively small town. And one time, I went to Manhattan and thought it would be a great idea to go bike around the city on a tandem bike. Terrible idea. Scariest bike ride of my life and I’ve done mountain biking before

  • @Bogomil76
    @Bogomil76 2 года назад +1

    I really like the sharp humor from chuck: Now im wondering why there is a warning to not put a cat in the microwave made my day…

  • @tmeyer2022
    @tmeyer2022 2 года назад +2

    I have a 2017 automobile with active speed control. It will pace the vehicle ahead up to it's set speed . . . . . . . . . . Unless the vehicle ahead is a motorcycle. It may not "see" a motorcycle.
    I did not hit the motorcycle (which was doing 10-15 mph less then me, only because I realized I was closing on the motorcycle in time to avoid the problem.
    Take care and keep your mind on the road.

    • @chrisgraham2904
      @chrisgraham2904 2 года назад

      Technological assist systems ONLY ASSIST.

  • @Esbbbb
    @Esbbbb 2 года назад

    Check also the Veritasium version of driverless cars! It explains the technicality more in depht!

  • @verbdoing9824
    @verbdoing9824 2 года назад +2

    Interesting

  • @DEAR7340
    @DEAR7340 2 года назад

    Just an observation, how cars have taken precedence over other transit, including pedestrians. Socially, few will even question which has the higher priority, and which should defer to which.

  • @jonathanmuniz4659
    @jonathanmuniz4659 2 года назад

    Like a conversation with friends, I wish you all luck.

  • @DennisCambly
    @DennisCambly 2 года назад +1

    I love the way you make my brain feel