StarTalk Podcast: Cosmic Queries - The New Space Race with Neil deGrasse Tyson
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- Опубликовано: 25 сен 2019
- Without the fear and clashing political ideologies of the Cold War to fuel a space race, what will fuel the “new” space race? On this episode of StarTalk Radio, Neil deGrasse Tyson sits down with comic co-host Ray Ellin to explore what will push human space exploration further out into the solar system.
You’ll learn why the United States’ history as space “pioneers” needs adjusting. We investigate why we haven’t gone back to the Moon in decades. Find out if the Moon would be a good launching and refueling station for missions going further out. You’ll hear why human endeavors on Mars will require survival based on Martian resources. We also explore why traveling to another star, like Alpha Centauri, will take more rocket power than we have currently, possibly even requiring a development like warp drives.
Explore why the Space Force is not necessarily a crazy idea, and why it partially exists already. We talk about the possible activities of the Space Force, and whether or not they might include cleaning up space junk. Brush up on the International Space Treaty of 1967 as we ponder what would happen if another country destroyed the flag planted by the United States on the Moon. We also address the question, “Can you own space?”
Get details on NASA’s Office of Planetary Protection and how it protects the Earth and other celestial bodies from contaminating each other. Discover more about which countries might be involved in a “new” space race and whether there’s any merit to the idea of sending world leaders into space. We also discuss if this new space race should even be framed as a “race.” All that, plus, Neil shares his thoughts on why exploring space should eventually be like exploring your own backyard.
This episode originally aired as a podcast on February 22, 2019.
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I listen to StarTalk when my mind is driving me nuts. It's a moment to let go of whatever is bothering me and to just listen.
Me too.
I should try this. Thanks for sharing
Same here bro
Hit too close to home
Listening to it while playing battle royale games at the moment. Often ending up first somehow, but never without StarTalk.
Cheers from Moscow, Mr. Tyson, sir! Huge fan! Thank you for making science reachable for everyone!
Neil seems like a kind warm-hearted uncle i've always loved.
Hahaha yeah youre right
He interrupts just like Uncles do, This checks out.
I feel like Ive known neil forever, idk why
The way he talks, is like he just wants to sit down with everbody and teach them something, i love it.
You're not alone 😂
I think its because he has such a warming presence with his soothing voice and intellectual play on words. It feels like a safe place for learning around him
He's like a melinated Santa Claus delivering gifts of knowledge. Neil, the front door of the mind is open, please don't use the chimney.
"What i want is everybody's creativity to be empowered by our capacity to explore space. And that way no one is saying where the destination is. So in that sense it is actually not a race it’s let's all go play in our backyard, and that backyard is the solar system"
Neil de Grasse Tyson September 2019
"Take the spoon and finish the soup"
My Mom, July of 1974,
@@ortega6211 That is because we have a space program and dinosaurs didn't
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amazing...im from aruba...born and raised....and have served Ray and his friends on several times back in my marriott days...its great to see him co-host with my idol Neil....pls.note that im startalk's biggest fan on the island of aruba...and would love to know if mr.Tyson will make it to our lovely island....??so many questions and ideas i'd like to share with him...thanx...!!!!
When I am bored I listen to Star Talk. Great talk show.
I adore NdT! In almost fell off my bed in laughter when he suggested sending the flerfers to space. I love teaching people new things - seeing the light go on once someone understands something new is nothing short of amazing. However, I think the that the majority of flerfers would simply double-down if they were sent to space; given their behavior when presented with factual information, I think it would be highly likely that they would find yet another reason to continue their love affair with ignorance. Keep rocking it, Neil!
We should act as a planetary species - Carl Sagan.
We will never be able to do that. It is our very nature that drives us to distrust, hate and make war on anyone not belonging to our tribe. Perhaps one day there will only be one tribe left. Some will promptly decide they are better than others of their tribe and start their own tribe. And so we go back to warring tribes. Why? Because we need a natural enemy to keep population numbers in check. We have only ourselves to compete against so we're wired to make war. The only way it ever stops is if we find intelligent life on another planet that match our strength or even surpass it. Then we will unite, kick their teeth in and once they are all dead we will return to making war on each other as if nothing happened. Sounds rather depressing but that's what it is. We're creatures of war.
We are Terrans, one and all, our need to compete can be sated by trying to better ourselves and by playing games, it will give us the outlet for our aggressive tendencies
@@HurricaneSA You assume much. People do love killing each other, yes.
But if we all give up before we try something, we're all dead without a chance of even surviving.
I choose to struggle with every fiber of my being to construct a future I desire. It's up to you if you want to do the same. It's up to you if you want to have 0% chance of success or 1% chance.
i just want to say thank you Neil for everything you have done
The flat earthers could be like guinea pigs for the first cruise-sized space liner!
😂 😂
If you send FEs to orbit and ask 'are you happy now?' they'll respond "no. that was fake. it was all faked".
They'll never believe, even if they see it with their own eyes.
Lol
We should put them in a highly adavanced vr, and show them earth but flat and send them back so they genuinely go bat shit crazy. Or is that a little too messed up lmao
If the flat earthers think that it will be VFX, then let them walk outside of the airlocks to prove it.
The statements you made about "who to send into space" at the end were quite beautiful.
very
Send Flat Earthers, send politicians, and I would also send Artists(Poets, Painters, Sculpturists) so they can convey the experience to the masses.
I'm gonna start rewatching all of these to ingrained into my mind as much as I can. I'd love nothing more than to become an astrophysicist
Always a pleasure to watch your videos. Thanks so much for your efforts
Man, that part at the end from Edgar Mitchell on needs to be clipped out. That needs to go Viral.
When are we getting the new Cosmos Possible Worlds show?!?! It's been filmed for a while, please release it!!!
Until next year :(
Love the perspective comment. Though it reminded me of Douglas Adams as well.
russian dolls are called "matryoshka" lol , "petrushka" is parsley but nice guess :D
Babushka meaning granny!
@@user-ow2iy3sh3s this is relevant.... Because?
@@dankoch5357 Because those things are called Babushka
The nuclear cloud is at belushya
We get to be a certain expression of the universe precisely because of this piece of little blue paradise floating around in space. No matter what the chances of concious life are on the grand scale, I feel so Lucky to have a moment so I can look around with these senses and be able to wonder😍🤔...and also to just be. As always, thanks StarTalk👍🏻✨❤️
I would call Star Talk fun. More so informative. Brain food is what I like to call it. Keeps me centered while working a mundane job. 👍
Sending all the world leaders in to space sounds like a good idea, especially if you don't bring them all back!
StarTalk is excellent!!
as much as you wish to meet sir isaac, i truly wish and hope i get to meet you once in my life. great fan Doctor Neil.
In the case of SpaceX, where all investors knew in advance that it was a goal to put people on Mars, and where Elon (through his own shares and those close to him) controls ~70+% of the shares, it will indeed be a short meeting, ending with the words "ok, let's go do it".
In general I agree with NDT, a normal company would have to be extraordinarily forward thinking to make a business case out of it, but the entire reason SpaceX exists at all was to fund a project like this.
Astronaut Training
This would be a big motivator and keep peoples interest in Science and Astronomy.
Open to everyone. Using any and every resource.
Developing people and the skills and knowledge needed in the future.
I didn't know Chandler was into Astrophysics.
Lol
Time stamps are the best
love neils laugh..his laugh makes me laugh . . even if things aint funny...just his laugh is contagious ...amazing man!!!
love this show
"love is the language of all souls" Jimi Hendrix
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LOVE---EVOL
WORDS HAVE MEANING YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT
Love is the result of evolution, souls are not real!
@@nicosteffen364 YOU GOT ANY SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE OF THAT EVOLUTION OR ARE YOU JUST BELIEVING ANOTHER MAN THAT TOLD YOU SOME SHIT LIKE A CUCKOLD?🤔🤔🤔
Tell that to a narcissistic killer
We did not land on the moon first. The Russians put rovers on the moon first, the first landings by any nation on a celestial body. We landed the first men.
that's the only thing that matters when talking about being the first to LAND somewhere lol.
@@Themayseffect No, we were crashing things into the moon while Russia was soft landing rovers on the surface and collecting samples by remote control. We were trying to do the same thing at the time and failed miserably time after time. At that time they were way ahead of us, and it did matter. It still matters that we weren't the first ones there...They were also the first to soft land on Venus, and the first to photograph the far side of the moon. I'm not sure he's even aware of that. For an astrophysicist, he doesn't seem to know much about space history. Seriously, he's always getting his facts wrong every time he talks about space history.......
@@madisonlivingston5851 the USSR's first sample return was after Apollo 11.
@@dongiovanni4331 Sample return, yes...sampling and testing was performed on the lunar surface in the Luna program. We scooped up soil with Surveyor as well, but we weren't the first. We weren't the first to orbit the earth, weren't the first to send animals, orbit a man, we weren't the first to orbit the moon, impact the moon, photograph the landscape from the surface, photograph the far side, soft land, and test soil. It's just how it was, it's history. Nothing to get upset about, I'm not comitting treason or anything, we were behind, period, end of sentence.
Madison Livingston so I’m quite certain that you know more about the topic than Dr. Tyson, so why aren’t you hosting the show? I mean if he’s ‘always getting the facts wrong’, why don’t you enlighten him? Just curious...
When you started on the world leader to space thing, I knew exactly where you were going to go with it.
I really miss Eugene Mirman. He’s my favorite Startalk comedian.
Boom and we're live!!!
Oh, and actually that rule in the Space Treaty makes a lot of sense. It’s actually exactly the same as the rule on the international sees and oceans. You help each other when in need of help, even if enemies. This happened a lot in WWII when boats were sunk, surviving sailors were picked up and rescued.
I recommend Rocket Men (about Apollo 8) to anyone; the audiobook itself is incredible (the guy reading is as expressive as NDT).
I discovered another book that delves into way more details about the space race and I'll probably check that one out later in the year. (I forget the title, but it's got the word "Moon" in the title.)
I don't remember who said it, but my high school history teacher (grade 9 or 10, way back in 1979) gave us a quote that always stuck with me:
"All Wars Are Over One Or More Of These; Race, Religion, Or Real Estate".
I'd say resources maybe over race. The main war I can think of that was "about" race would be the civil war and that couldn't have been further from the truth. That was a war of resources, honestly.
And Women.
@@ispartacus1337 True enough.
But the quote refers to ALL wars, everywhere, past and present. So I'd assume resources would also be under real estate, and race has been a big part of wars throughout history.
Drink! 🍺🍷🥃🍸🍹
Every time Neil says, "So...." 😂
that globe behind Neil is amazing...i need one!
There's only two of those in the world, was sculpted by the same guy that sculpted the Prometheus statue at Rockefeller Centernter
neil degradde is the best person to watch about the world and earth
Great show!
WOW that ending with the world leaders was amazing
20:30 can’t wait for the Nike No Air!
I'll drive up to NYC in my Tesla Model S this mid-October (my son's birthday is the 18th)... Let's do Star Talk together talking about my idea below as to how we can better go to Mars et al.
12 hours keep going
Lovit! Niel Degrasse so cool!
Dr. Tyson , You said the moon always receives light ? Could you go further in detail on that ? How can the moon receive light on the “back side” if the sun is in the front ?
can you show me all the landers of each mission that have been left on the moon thanx.
Matryoshka would one the name of the Russian compact doll set. Love you guys. Keep it coming. I’m grateful
Hmm, I agree with Neil that it's the economic driver that's missing.
But the economic driver I'm thinking that could do it is asteroid mining.
The Earth was molten when it first formed. Heavy stuff sunk down. Until it cooled off and formed a solid crust. Then heavy things could stay on the surface.
The point about this is that all the various things like gold, platinum, even all the waters of the oceans, etc. came here by asteroid. Well, some of it does get pushed up to the surface by volcanic activity too - but in the grand scheme of things, we can say "came here by asteroid" and be almost entirely correct.
There's way, way, way more up there in space than there's ever been down here on Earth.
You've probably heard the "trivia fact" that all the gold on Earth is only a few Olympic-sized swimming pools. It's quite possible that, up there in the asteroid belt, just beyond Mars, there's a rock that's got that much again.
Basically, a space "gold rush". Or, well, everything rush, as you'll also get platinum, rare earths and everything else up there.
This is such a grand prize that though it doesn't make news headlines, there are already 11 private companies (according to Wikipedia) working on this. Because whoever first gets there with a fleet of mining ships is going to rake it in on a scale that this planet has never seen before.
When the European Empires started globalisation and Britain fired up the Industrial Revolution, these things raised the economic bar to levels that we previously unimaginable.
This could make those leaps look very small, when our resource pool stops being only the stuff that's scattered on the surface of the ball we live on, but becomes the entire Solar System.
That's the economic driver and it's more than big enough. The problem is that it's still far too distant a dream of what we might be able to do in the future, one day, that it doesn't get hearts racing yet.
But private companies are already eyeing it up. Because they know that it's the motherlode of all motherlodes, for whoever works out how to do it first.
Thanks for saying all that, now I wont have to type it up. Now I want a piece of all those companies and the ones to come. They should all issue blockchain security tokens. I'll buy up those ICO's in a heartbeat.
"It's like Houston"
"Are there any cowboys there?"
OH HA GLAD YOU'RE HERE
I watched Star Talk while my husband watched the presidential "debate". I won.
Neil, with a theme like 'The New Space Race', I was hoping you'd talk about the plasma propulsion engine. Were the vacuum trials due to occur in 2016 on the International Space Station successful? Did they even happen?
Love Neil
"controlled bomb" is my favorite description of rocket fuel
@tommy aronson look einstein i dont need you to tell me how rocket fuel burns, controlled bomb is what Neil said and i was simply remarking that i liked his description.
@tommy aronson What do you call it when a substance oxidizes so quickly (burns) that the energy is almost all released in a quick violent burst?
They call it "Matryoshka". 👍it was close. 4:43
fake news ! they call it a doll in a doll ! -donald trump (giggles)
Chuck just finished recording the ads in song format.
🖤 you neil!!!! Your voice is serenading me to sleep 😊😊 l
Oh yeah?? I bet you sleep to 34:34 on repeat
@@downtownbosscat yes even that 😂
big ups to mr tyson
Just yesterday Elon Musk gave a Starship update. During this update he suggests we start a moon base. I would like to re-ask that first question, given that the Starship should launch for the cost of fuel. What reasons do we have to start a moon base? What type of research is there to be done on the moon?
I think moon base would not be for research purposes.. But tourism purposes.. Another thing is that, the fact that we once had a man walking on the moon, now it's about 50 years and there has never been a person there again, is crazy.. I personally think moon visits should be a routine thing to do..
To mine helium 3 for one, and for two, it would be a great spot to launch from being that the moon's gravity is one 6th that of Earth's. Why not build a manufacturing plant there and make Starships to be launched from there?
Towards the end, I feel like Neil should have announced his candidacy for president
oh I wish he would!
Listen to the whole song or another one on the album where they tell you,"There is no Dark Side".
If someone were to livestream on the rocket going from earth to mars, would the time delay automatically keep growing the farther out the rocket got from earth due to the amount of time it takes light/signals to travel over greater distances
Commenting to bump this question... lol I'd like to know as well
Yes. same as stars red shift, the waves would get further and further spaced apart. not only would the frequency be changing, the data rate would be slowing down.
So imagine watching a live video. First the frame rate would slow down until it would take minutes, hours, days than years etc.. to load in a single frame
Not only that. You would need to use a progressively larger antenna or reflector, to capture the wave that is spreading out and dropping to lower and lower frequency.
Am I the only person that when he said let’s take a break it went straight to advertisement?
Yes. Yes, you are.
You know RUclips Premium is free with an essential Google Music sub? Very cheap too.
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Wait you mean the trial.
also is it country-specific or available everywhere?
@@josephkreifelsii6596 also lemme guess, you got premium for mind field?
@@livethefuture2492 No, it's not a trial. It's just part of the sub. Been a subscriber since 2013 long before RUclips premium even existed.
Tyson 2020!!!!
Elon owns the company so he doesn't have to have the meeting.
Yes, of course, but without investors or customers like NASA he goes bankrupt in no time. NASA saved the company with a contract that was most likely signed in a meeting. Neil just said it right, the only one who could do it without asking anyone would be the Chinese. Capitalist democracy doesn't work well with idealism.
He's also the lead engineer on starship.
qut
Elon isn't a trillionaire, that means he would need a fuckload of investors at that theoretical meeting or it would never happen.
"You dont deserve the power that science has given you"
I just came to watch NDT interrupt his guest. I suffer from the same problem and watching tape on him has really helped me let people get a word in.
Tim Tripas your are on your way to fix. No doubt.
Finding oil on Mars would be sweet! Proof of past life
I just realized that we are in the age of Thunderbirds (Are Go!).
Remember Supercar? Another puppet sci fi.
I think "certain" politicians should be sent into space and sent to Alpha Centuri.
This is star talk.
I think the aimple answer to why people set world records at the Olympics and not the week before because they might throw caution to the wind and not worry about fatiguig/hurting themselves
Rodan is the Monsterverse ambassador for Cosmic Queries.
15:32 There actually are such events that make use of mobile devices to track progress
All I want is love
February 22nd air date. We want the newwwwwww!!!
Dr. Tyson, do you not consider astronomical observatories on the far side of the moon, shielded from the Earth’s EM emissions and without atmosphere a worthwhile reason to return to the moon?
At $15,000/kg, it’s simply not sustainable. It only becomes viable at $100/kg & with In-Situ mining & manufacture of the lunar observatories & habitats & ISRU of Lunar H2O.
The ‘James Webb space telescope ‘ will be launch to a point called ‘L2’ (second legrangian point) aka. a point beyond the far side of the moon :)
Also the far side of the moon have some complications because it will be pointed directly at the sun on the 2nd half of the moon orbit.
Interesting but when will Neil address the recent successes in Plasma cosmology and the failing predictive success of the standard cosmological model?
What a fancy thing to say "personal astrophysicist" 😄
World records in sports are often broken year-round in other venues outside the Olympics. It is actually rare that world records are broken in the Olympics. Olympic records are often broken, which can only be broken during the Olympics.
I wonder what's his view on the movie/true story "Hidden Figures"
Balto = best doggo , actually saved hundreds of lives and prevented an outbreak of diphtheria in the 1920s in Nome Alaska
Neil4Freedom
29:05 WHAT? No. It costs a few billion, Elon said it himself when he was talking about the whole Starship project, one starship launch is around 20 million because its fully reusable and you can go to Mars.
Hey Neil, I thought you didn’t like phone protector cases? I know you love ‘The Starry Night’; but what happened to the rifle drill flipping you were doing with your phone on the Joe Rogan Experience??
chill brah dey still tite, jo n niel make good stuff 2ge4 4 reeel dawg gib him 1 mo chance 4 da ogs 👍
This comedian was nice to listen to.
👑
29:00 that exactly why SpaceX isn't a public company. The goal of SpaceX isn't to make money, but to establish a colony on Mars.
Everybody wants the planet Mars
Neil "The Boss" Tyson.
Thank you Neil!! ♥️
That's only part of why they set world records at the Olympics. Other factors include that you need timed test conditions with top notch equipment, which generally is not there for training. And then the biggest factor is that they specifically train so they will be at their peak at that specific event. That should generally be the best chance for them to perform because their workout schedule is set up to make that their peak.
Can someone please tell me what the black globe behind Neil is of? It doesn't seem like a representation of the Earth or of countries on the Earth like you get on most globes, and it looks gorgeous 💜
Is a brass globe depicting the constellations, belongs to the museum, it was sculpted in 1934 by Paul Manship the same guy that sculpted the Prometheus in front of the Rockefeller Center. That one was the only one like that in the world, but John Ackers (ex Ceo of IBM) liked it one time he visited the museum and commissioned another one to be made, so there's only two of those globes in the world.
There are a lot of Paul Manship constellation spheres in different parks and museum across the country, he was actually obsessed with celestial maps, used to visit the Hayden planetarium a lot with his son, and even took astronomy classes just so he could research to make his sculpture better, but the one Neil has in his office is unique, all the others are bronze and shiny, or are hollow and you can see thru them.
@@Morpheux1 thank you so much! That is so interesting.
28:50-29:15 “There’s no business case.” “It’s a Trillion Dollars.” “People will probably die.” Sorry, but you’re off by >$950 Billion. SpaceX has stated that the total development costs for BFR/Super Heavy/Starship will be $10B, Launch Costs for BFR will be $10 million/launch. Which means getting to Mars will cost $70 million/Starship to Mars. 4 Starships to Mars (2 Cargo sent ahead of 2 Passenger) = $280 million. 10 Bigelow “First Base” habitats (for Greenhouses) + Excavators + ISRU equipment + 3-D Printers + Power Supply + Rovers + Robots (To assemble the Mars Base) + other essentials will probably cost $250-300 million. Except for the Bigelow habitats & ISRU equipment which will have to be supplemented with more as the colony grows, the rest of the equipment should be sufficient until it begins to break down.
That’s why many of us claim that Elon Musk could establish a colony on Mars for < the total development costs of SLS/Orion (~$33B as of FY 2018-19). While those costs are obscene for a Rocket that can’t do the job it was allegedly designed for, they are more than reasonable for an actual inhabited colony on Mars.
You don't know what you are talking about lol
Thyat must be your fav. shirt
Two questions: 1) would long term Martian sttlers have to take lifetime supplies of condoms? 2) what was the orientation of the sun and moon to the orbit of the Apollo 11 module piloted by Collins?
Yes warp-drives
41:29 "I'M AN EDUCATOR, DUUUDE" 😂
brainwasher.. teaches theories and hypothesis
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With the recent discovery of the 2nd interstellar object named "C/2019 Q4 Borisov", if by any chance we have detected that one of these rocks will collide with earth like with the dinosaur era.
Q> When The World Ends, Who Gets To Leave? in 10 50 100 yrs of preparation
Invaderthor Might the rich.
Wanna know what's scary?! What if the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs was part of a cluster that has a certain orbit between the milky way and Andromeda, for example?! Can anyone do any sort of calculations about such cluster orbit?! Because assuming it's 50.000 light years going there at speed of light and assuming the cluster would be considerably slower than that, maybe an orbit of a few million years, those that already passed, and these sudden findings are somewhat related to that?!
Of course, it's all science-fiction right now, but I wonder if anyone has put some serious though on such possibility, if there's any.
One thing is certain. It would explain alot of things, as for example, the well known fatefull prediction of the end of the world in the year 2000. Some very old bright people could have studied that same event and made such calculations. I don't know. Math hasn't really changed that much since ever...
It’s possible a meteor or planet is on a collision course with earth. We might actually be in the process of being made extinct , and no one knows.
Invaderthor Might 100 year prep!? We’ll just redirect its course