@@gopolanglekoto2019 world cup we beat them 19 - 16 in the semis and we were lucky there. So why not? They don't lose by 50..they lose by a bounce of the ball. That changes with momentum and believe
@@dn822 And we beat them by an even bigger margin over the weekend. 2019 is 5 years ago now. How long are they “rebuilding”? They had 2 World Cups to rebuild already. SA rebuilds every 2 years ready for next World Cup. I don’t think Wales is getting better, my friend. I think things are stale there because of Warren Gatland and it’s a shame. They should release him and truly start rebuilding.
Thank you, my friend. Very kind of you to say. There’s no way to sugarcoat it if I’m being totally honest😂 Agreed, some young players showing promise but it’s clear we still have a really long way to go
I thought Wales did well in spots, and we weren't particularly wonderful. Video ref seemed to have a problem with his eyesight.. They'll get better, and probably give the Aussies a thumping.
Totally agree one up runners getting isolated, no shape in attack,all those coaches and that’s all they come up with , dewi lake played well tho , pity we didn’t have another 14 players like him .
Yeah I know! We missed Morgan today too. His play style would have been a big help today. Like you said though, no idea what these coaches are going through in training but it looks terrible
Incredibly objective analysis. A small rugby nation like Wales (population size) punches way above its weight, historically. It's a slump in time for Wales. The best teams all go through it.
Very kind of you to see, thank you. Yeah, I’m not usually as negative on this channel but I just found that game awfully difficult to watch as I don’t see a clear path for us to improve as things currently stand. Cheers for watching 👍🏼
An honest and well informed comment on the Wales performance against South Africa. You highlight our key problem - there is no sign of any clear structure or consistent pattern of play emerging. Against the Springboks we just played damage limitation rugby. The Australia tour is now hugely important. We need to see a marked improvement in quality and two victories from the three tour matches.
Very kind of you to say thank you very much. Damage limitation is a good description of how Wales played. I’m just hoping that the coaches wrote the game off before we even started and kept all of the plans and attacking patterns for Australia because like you said we need to victories from this tour. We’re desperate😂
I'm a bit gutted honestly with the whole thing. I just don't really see a fix in any players (in or out of the squad), in the union, in the clubs or in the coaching. I do sometimes wish I knew what they were trying to do but these days I can't see a plan in any of it 😔😟
Take it easy, we are building depth, there's is no quick fix, South Africa hammered us before the WC, but we done well in the WC, people need to be patient, blooding new players won't be easy, People forget south Africans blew New Zealand away in Twickenham before the WC, things can change quickly in rugby, ask Italy.
Totally agree with you, spud. My worry is though this seems like no clear plan as to what’s actually going to happen. We seem completely devoid of confidence and direction on the pitch. It doesn’t look good 🤷🏻♂️
I'm South African with a rather diluted drop of 1820 Welsh in my veins. Don't punish yourselves so, it's not necessary. These are vastly inexperienced players and they will grow and become a world class factor again! I mean, Etzebeth for instance has more test matches under his belt than the whole of your scrum together. Give your guys a break, give them a couple of seasons to develop. ... and let rugby in Wales win!
If there was no other player to pick I wouldn’t mind his selections, but he’s not picking a lot of talented players and he seems quite stubborn with his choices. Hopefully we’ll get a few wins in Australia
A few things to note: Wales missed an absolute sitter of a try, Winnett should have scored in the corner, and South Africa were handed a try that was clearly forward - and this try in my mind was what began to unravel the Welsh team. The gap should have been 34-20 to South Africa, which is a realistic representation of how the teams performed on the day. The soft tries given by Wales through a simple lack of defensive structure needs fixing, and realistically this will be a lot better if players are played in position, and when Wales have a full squad to select from, as unlike SA, we don't have anywhere near the amount of options to select from. The scrum is an issue for Wales, but then again it is for most teams against SA. I don't think there is an answer to this problem without expanding our population from 3 million to around 10x that number, or by bringing in foreign players under residency rules, like Ireland and Scotland have do. This is probably one of the leading causes of the recent changes to the scrum, and is an issue that World Rugby needs to find solutions to, as scrums are overly determinant of the end result, especially in crunch games like World Cup knock-out games. Is Gatland losing the changing room? I don't personally think so, but his choice of players is peculiar to say the least. He needs to select more in-form club players for sure.
Yeah, I think your point is fair. South Africa certainly had the rub of the green with the officials. Having said that they also made a lot of mistakes and they discipline was poor and realistically the only chances we created were off South Africa mistakes not anything we made ourselves. I really hope Scotland can pull it back because I do really love him as a fan of Welsh rugby and of course I want to see him succeed and I’ve always been a big defender of him. It’s just recently he’s been making very strange decisions and it’s hard to see , what the end goal is? I just hope the players can see it better than I can Cheers for your comment. Really interesting to read.👍🏼
As a South African and Springbok supporter I have no liking for Warren Gatland, HOWEVER, don't judge him too harshly. His records speak for itself. He has a keen eye for talent, and he is rebuilding now. Just remember that it is not going to be an overnight fix. The players are VERY INEXPERIENCED at international level. They will need time to play together, to build trust and to create that bonds that will make them gel. Wales will become a force again. Give him the time to build that. Judge him by the next world cup. As despondent as the Wales supporters feel now, they will rejoice again. There is a lot of problems in WRU, the best players is mostly not available. WRU needs to change the eligibility rules so that all Wales players qualify. Warren Gatland's hands are tied, and should he fail, it wouldn't be his fault.
While watching the game as a boks. I noticed a strange thing. Usually South Africa tries to slow things down, set piece and scrums, rucks and mauls. But I got the feeling Wales were the ones killing the speed deliberately. Very strange, not the Wales I know 🤷
Great vid as usual mate. You definitely know welsh rugby. As others have said i think Gatland and Wales could definitely listen to you for some different insight into welsh rugby. They, and we, would really benefit from it IMO. I was at Twickenham yesterday and really enjoyed the rugby. I was very happy with the half time score line. Seeing the line out actually function was a good improvement. I thought Dewi Lake (the moisest man in rugby 😉) had a good game and was a great skipper. That said... As you said Wales looked very disjointed, defense was semi-pouros, kicking was not good to put it politely, the scrum got dominated but tbf that was to be expected and there didnt seem to be an actual game plan on the attack. I like to positive and I'm sure there are things going on behind the scenes I have no idea about. I hope those things are positive instead of negative. The situation with Sam and not even being given full kit is very worrying though. That should not be happening. And I as civilian should never know about. Publicly known camp drama is never a good sign of things.
Glad you had a good day out mate. I had to watch the game on mute so what was the atmosphere like? Yeah completely agree that we shouldn’t be able to hear what’s going on in camp. It’s not a good look is it😬 Not sure what’s going on with Gats atm. He seams a bit off the boil. Who knows. Let’s hope it changes going to Australia 😬
@TheWelshSportsPodcast it very much felt like an away game. It seemed like there were probably 10 to 1 people supporting SA vs. Wales. At least around me, like 30% of the people supporting SA, actually English, haha to be expected. But the Welsh fans were very loud and very proud. The saffa fans were awesome. Really good Craig. After the game two different groups of South Africanns came up to us and said basically the exact same thing "tons of respect to Wales they never quit, they never surrender and the never go away. They aren't like Scotland or England. When you play Wales you are in fight for the full 80." That put a smile on my face. Congrats to SA on the well deserved win. Massive respect to the Bokkie and Rassie. Cymru am Byth!
Hello from a South African, you come across very humble, great insight to rugby and mostly with love for the game. I look forward to seeing for off your contend. Do you think by returning to Gatland as head coach are you taking away the opertunaty for Walsh rugby to grow? Pss living in Ireland 🇮🇪
A South African rugby fan living in Ireland must be fun😂 I appreciate the kind words, my friend and glad you’re gonna stick around👌🏼 I have to say, I was over the moon when he came back And I think the World Cup display prove that he was the man to take us forward. Having said that since the six Nations there’s been lot of questionable selections and the general vibe doesn’t feel good but I don’t know who else they could get in who understands Welsh rugby quite like he does so I’m not really sure what the answer is if I’m being honest
@TheWelshSportsPodcast thank you for the reply. The world of rugby is better with a strong Welsh team. I think a new generation of players must have a new generation leader. Welsh rugby needs new input and cut dead wood. Have a blessed day. Pss regarding Ireland, it's always fun having a giggle when heads blow up so big and crash and burns with ego in tatters .. lol
Yeah, it’s hard to argue with that. I’ve got a young leadership group now a couple of quality players. I just hope as they develop the players around them as well and we may have a decent team in a couple of years. Let’s just hope it doesn’t take that long for for us to start winning games 😬😬😬
Wales have always been predictable in attack under Gatland. For a long time I thought it must be Howley's fault, but it's no better with a different attack coach. How does anyone think that a forward at first receiver and taking the ball standing still can make any progress?
Hey bro! Fantastic review as always! The shoreline was actually more flattering towards us than I expected but the performance was absolute hoop. Only 1 clean line break, basic handling errors, horrendous decision making in attack and numerous other facets of the game made us look like a tier 2 team. Costelow is NOT the guy for us. He does naff all. Give him the boot and let Beetham have a go. I think people saw in this game what I’ve said about Winnet from the start. He offers zero in attack. He’s very much like halfpenny in that he is fairly solid under the high ball but that is literally it. In attack we play with 14 men. Grady is probably the best winger in Wales. PLAY HIM ON THE WING. Get Eddie James in the centre. He looked alright when he came on in my opinion. One thing that’s a positive is Dewi lake. He proved that he is a quality player. The drop off from him to our 2nd choice hooker (whoever the hell that is) is massive. Our props are garbage. They got lucky that the ref didn’t penalise them at every scrum. I don’t think they took a forward step at all. Gareth Davies has totally lost it. Fumbling the ball at the base of rucks, EVERY box kick was way too long and that little chip Into the in goal area when we were on their 5m line was poo. I was screaming at him through my tv for that. Gatland has lost the confidence and respect from his players IMO. He has to go because it seems like the boys just don’t want to be involved. Feyi-Waboso choosing England over wales. LRZ leaving for the NFL. Players retiring when they are still the first choice pick in their position. Playing having “breaks” from playing (Elias, Rowlands). And now this thing with Sam Parry. Players should want to drop everything to get another cap and represent Wales. But it seems like the atmosphere is poor in the camp and guys just want to leave. I have no idea what to expect from the Aus tour but I know that if we somehow win all 3 games, that’s probably the worst outcome for us in the long run as it further papers over the gaping cracks in the WRU.
Cheers Sam I have to still defend winnet. We didn’t go more than two or three phases max all game. So he’s never gonna get involved in that type of attack. For Cardiff ihe comes into the attack and breaks the line and he’s pretty good at it to be fair. I don’t know what the answers are mate. I really wish he brought Dan Edwards into the squad because I don’t think Beetham is the answer at 10 although his kicking looked okay Until we get a clear game plan and a platform to playoff I think you could put Dan Carter at 10 and he would look average at the moment , we just don’t create anything or any deception Hard to see the road ahead, but we have to just hope that Gatlin pulls out something and we get a couple of wins 🏴
Cheers Sam I have to still defend winnet. We didn’t go more than two or three phases max all game. So he’s never gonna get involved in that type of attack. For Cardiff ihe comes into the attack and breaks the line and he’s pretty good at it to be fair. I don’t know what the answers are mate. I really wish he brought Dan Edwards into the squad because I don’t think Beetham is the answer at 10 although his kicking looked okay Until we get a clear game plan and a platform to playoff I think you could put Dan Carter at 10 and he would look average at the moment , we just don’t create anything or any deception Hard to see the road ahead, but we have to just hope that Gatlin pulls out something and we get a couple of wins 🏴
Felt like we did better than expected. After 15 minutes with 2 yellows i thought it could get seriously messy but the team did well to keep it respectful. That being said felt like SA were barely out of 2nd gear and on another day would of really put us to the sword. Thought Liam williams really justified him being back involved his experience alone shone a bit yesterday. Thought Rio dyer had an awful game and didnt even notice Winnent on the pitch. Australia are in a real bad mess themselves with the state of rugby union in the country. If we go there and suffer 2 heavy defeats I think alarm bells really need to start ringing. Think we just have to get used to being a very good tier 2 rugby nation for the next few years.
Nice one Christian, good video for debating! Read one comment 'no coaching in the world will ever make an average player into an international class player' got to disagree with that oneok players need to be able to play but a coach can build that player into a great player! Just need the coaches! Yesterdays result was a lot better than i thought it would be! Thought the players showed immense character and apart from scrum time were ok! Kicking aside!! Felt a lot of decisions went against us when they should of gone our way! Like the deliberate knock on 10m out from SA line when they were a man down by their no8 i think it was! Yellow card all day long was the wprse for me! Bongi's head on head challange no arms was shocking!! Really think Rassie would of made an hour long video after the refs performance yesterday! I certainly feel more upbeat than i did before the match! What we need to realise is that was the strongest SA 23 available for that match and there is no way rassie would of allowed them to be rusty!!
Unfortunately, in my opinion, it seems like the players on up to a standard and the coaching isn’t seemingly bringing them up another level at the moment. I don’t know it’s a mess 🤷🏻♂️ Yeah, I thought a few of the rest decisions were a bit strange like the ones you highlighted. Also, the studs straight to the head that was red for me too. Seem like the ref had already decided who was going to be on top of all the game started. I still don’t think we would’ve got anywhere near winning that game though even with all of the decisions going away 😬
Not a pretty game. Both sides showed a lot of rust. I feel like scoreline doesn't fully reflect the game. Wales were in it for most of it despite playing poorly. The best thing to take from this as a Bok and Welsh fan is that it's the first time in a long while that the lads have played together.
We were within a point the first half, that was a plus. That second half SA try was a forward pass and then it was a shit show, i really don't like being negative but i really don't think costelow is anyway good enough. He's too inconsistent for me. I hate having any bad comments on this team but it's going to be a long time when Wales are going to be a force
Yeah, I do genuinely think we’re at Rockbottom and it’s going to take a significant amount of time for us to get anywhere near the top five teams in the world
No coaching in the world will ever make an average player into an international class player. We simply have a terrible shortage of class. Yesterday was obviously even worse as a good number of those players wouldn’t even make a Welsh 3rd team a few years ago. Not sure where the hell we can go from this. I do think we’ll be better with all the missing players back, but no where near where we want to be. 😢
OK well how do you explain Portugal? Have they got better players than us as well? Because they look like a well-coached team who have worked on skills and yes good players will always beat average players but we weren't just beaten, we were pitiful to watch. That doesn't even happen to tier 2 teams like Portugal. The result is one thing but what Gatland has or rather hasn't done with this team is ridiculous. He can't even be professional and constructive enough to pick his best players. You're not a sage, Warren, you're not a saviour. You're a fraud ten years out of date, oversaw the most boring lions tour of all time and made the Chiefs resemble the Dragons. Go home, man.
Taken the words out of my mouth! No idea what the gameplan is and im fed up of being "brave in defeat" or "this is a young side they'll learn". Something seriously wrong with Gatland and this current camp
Yep, the unlucky losers is okay but only for a short amount of time we have to start seeing some progression forward because at the moment we seem to be getting worse not better
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast Just seen the squad announcement for the Australian tour - only 3 Ospreys players making the cut and taking Hill over Ratti? Gatlands actions aren't matching his words!
Not only is Gats completely out of date with his game plan, he ignores genuinely good players in order to pick people out of position. He ignores: Nicky Smith Rhys Carre Botha Parry Morris Edwards Kieran Williams Max Llewllyn Owen Williams Jarrod Evans Dan John To name just a few.
What’s the deal with the hate on Mathias? The only times I’ve heard you speak about him is just “he’s rubbish”, and with other players if it’s criticism then it sounds measured and fair but with Mathias it just sounds like hate. Give me a reason why he’s rubbish and you want nothing to do with him. He’s only 24 so that’s young for a prop and still quite a few years before he reaches his peak, Gats has seemed to bring him in to teach him the ropes, give him some experience and let him learn. If it’s fair then I’m with you but I’m not hearing anything fair so far.
If Gats is just brining him to teach him then he shouldn’t be getting as much game time for Wales as he has. I have mentioned he’s young before and it takes time, I’ve just seen nothing from him and I think this season he was the most penalised prop at scrum time in the URC. That’s not a great stat🤷🏻♂️ I don’t hate anyone, I’m sure he’s giving 100% all the time I just don’t think he’s good enough and certainly not better than Carre or Nicky smith?
Yeah I see your point, you just haven’t explained that until now from what I’ve heard. I wouldn’t agree that he’s not at this level tho, he looks like he could be a solid player so I’m all for Gats giving him time, but it does really come down to his squad selection. Having Mathias as a 3rd option behind Nicky smith and Domachowski I think would balance the team out more while also giving him some valuable experience. Gats sees something in Mathias, I just hope we get to see him really break through soon.
In fairness I take your point. I have been very critical of him and maybe I should be a bit more understanding of his age. I looked it up after and he was actually the most penalised player in the whole of the URC so not a good look I agree we need to develop young players like him though and thanks for pointing out me not backing up my opinions. I’ll bare that in mind going forward 👍🏼
To be honest if you'd showed me that scoreline before the game I'd probably have taken it but we were only spared further punishment because of a weak Bok performance. The disparity between our team throughout the 2010's and now is evident - throughout the game you could see even in what're surely his last 2 or so years as an international player that Liam Williams is a cut above the rest of the team in attack - he was probably our only player in attack who tried to do anything dynamic even if it didn't always come off. The excuse of "it's a young team" is fine for close loses such as England or Scotland in the Six Nations or even ones where we give it a good go and get a bit unlucky on the scoresheet like we did against Ireland, but not the embarrassing performances like we've had in our last 3 games against France, Italy and now South Africa.
Yeah, you’re totally right. Rugby in Wales has been mismanaged for so long that it’s finally come home to roost And I see no clear path to improvement as it currently stands. It’s worrying😬
As an old man who has watched one too many games of rugby I say this. This young Welsh side will build into a competitive unit by the next World Cup. Lake, Williams, Costello, Bevan, Wainright, Thomas and the new 12 are all world class players. Add the players returning and you have the spine of a final four team going into WC2027.
Gatland and Howley’s management style of ‘my way or the highway’ is doomed to failure this time for these reasons: 1. We're losing every game 2. The players know that Gatland’s style is out of date. 3. The players know that Gatland is picking the wrong players. This losing streak will continue until Gatland goes
Despondency all round. SA only needed to be in 2nd gear to win. We’re lacking a game plan coz at the moment it’s 2 or 3 carries, barely over the gain line, then scrum half box kick or back to Costelow, 20 yds down field and we lose possession. Where’s the zip, the creating overlaps, the 2 on 1s? it’s all too predictable and defences can just soak up any of our pressure. Ben Thomas, playmaker, please for 1st AUS test. No surprise to hear Gats being optimistic in the interview after the game, it’s his job and he’s got a contract till next RWC, but i wd have preferred more honesty … And Beetham cover for Costelow: wtf???
Agreed with everything you said. We’re so predictable. There’s no pattern or deception at all. Very worrying going forward. Ben T might help with that as you said but we seam directionless 😬 That’s what happens when you have now 10 cover. It’s mental 😂
I couldn't bring myself to even watch the game, that's how low we've dropped for me. I've never minded losing, let's be fair we've had plenty of practice of that over the years, but watching such poor rugby is something i just can't put myself through. I have better things to do with my time.
Yeah, I guess that’s a damming indictment😬 we do still have to try and support the boys in the team though and really hope that they can turn things around come this summer 🙏🏼
With the Sam parry and Nicky smith situation is pretty crap. I'm bored of Gatland's attitude there are better players out there but never get picked. We should be playing them all and the youngest together not just dumping them in the deep end. I just think Gatland and his coaching staff need to go and a fresh start is needed. A new generation with a new coach.
@@richardrees3225 This is all the proof we need that Shaun Edwards was the Coach that made us competetive, When Gatland went back to the Chiefs he made them a bottom table side
@@rhysjones9870 The only so much man management that players can take. To many chiefs not enough Indians , The older players deserve to be picked on merit and playing young players that aren't up to the level is just a stupid and hard headed move.
I’m not sure guys. I’ve always been a Gatland defender but it’s getting increasingly difficult to be there at the moment. The Sam thing is just not good enough for an international coach
If Rhys Carre was French or South African he'd have 50 caps by now. And you have to look at where wales stands in the rankings compared to these two teams. The type of NZ coaches we get over here seem to be obsessed with a certain type of robotic "athelete" rather than rugby players. Anyone who seems to not completely fit into the machine is being discarded. Gatland did not pick the best players available for the six nations because he was "building for the world cup". Well The world cup is a grand ambition.......but, realistically........not very likely. In the meantime Welsh fans paid a lot of money to watch their country get whitewashed in a competion that holds ancient rivalries that are quite frankly more important to them than the world cup. The Ospreys have the only decent pack in Wales yet the likes of Ratti and Sutton were overlooked for the likes of Screech and Hill? The selection of Hill screams cronieism, something Howley and Gatland are kinda renowned for. Just ask Dwayne Peel, Lee Byrne, James Hook, Adam Jones etc. Gatland also has a tendency to heap pressure on players when things aren't going well for them.....for Sam Costelow read Rhys Priestland. Why is Nicky Smith ignored? Why is Morgan Morriss' domestic form not rewarded with the opportunity to show if he can add something at this level? What's Alex Kings' role now that Howley has slithered back in? Personally I thought we needed something new when Gatlands tenure initially ended. I thought he was poor with the Lions inSouth Africa, he was poor for the Chiefs. But I thought as a short term fix for the world cup he was the best bet. But the fact he was given another 4 years can only be reflected on the complete idiots at the WRU. Regardless of the development programne, if we need a stable scrum now......why not call up Tom Botha?
Yeah, agree with everything you said. It’s hard to see what the plan is at the moment. The only thing it seems like he’s doing is pushing in his youngsters to find out who can swim which obviously you have to do when you’re in the position we are but it almost seems like he’s willing to sacrifice a year or two of losses to meet his grand ambition The problem is is on the pitch it’s a shambles and there’s no direction. I really hope I’m overreacting but I guess only time will tell we just have totry and back The Boys
Well.....let's hope they can put something a bit more constructive in place against Austrsloa. It all very much smacks of one dimensional damage limitation tactics at the mo tho. Fingers crossed, I'll be forced to eat my words🤞
Defence for Wales was very bad, SA got through far too easily, and not much sign of any attack either. We have fallen off a cliff since 2021, 5th, 5th and 6th in last 3 years 6 nations. It’s hard to see Wales beating any nation at the moment. Current set up and coaches definitely not working, is that the coaches, lack of quality players or both?
Sorry to be picky but the title graphic should be 'Too easy for the Boks'. Hmm, but then again I noticed and listened to the video because of the grammar. So maybe its a stroke of genius.
Where do you start, same old problems lack off a tight head lack of creativity, a woeful outside half, lack of leadership, losing is becoming a habit with Wales, you get one or two good performances from individuals but they are not coming together or functioning as a team, its the age old problem we lack quality in depth, Costello is just not international class and had Anscombe or Sheedy been available he would not be playing, and that highlights the problem the quality in out first choice may be good, beneath that the drop off in standards in shocking, Its going to be tough in Australia, then a tough Autumn internationals and to be honest I cannot see us wining any of those games, its case of Wales need to go through the mill till we get to the point where some seeds of hope grow, but its really hard to see where its coming from, I hate being negative and down on my country but on the rugby field there is nowhere to hide, Australia have a point to prove and so have Fiji, and they won't be sympathetic to our demise.
Yeah so spot-on with everything you see, Clive. If we don’t pick up a win in Australia then I think it’s gonna be another long run of defeats. I’m really hoping it’s a similar thing to when Steve Hanson went on that long losing streak, but you saw the shoots come out the other end. Let’s hope it’s like that again 🙏🏼🏴
Hi Christian, To be honest I wasn't expecting a win but not a lost like that may be a 10 loss, saying that the ref and TMO were very poor and to me the game seem one sided you can see a forward pass for SA and got there try the head to head contact that should have been red card. Good to see Liam Williams I thought he played well apart from that we were not at our best but to me it was one sided. I've all ways liked Warren Gatland he is dealing with a new team , the best have gone retired, and has to start all over again this will take a year or two, I'm will Wales all the way in winning and losing they are my team. As always a great review ,catch you on the next game, take care
Yeah Fair point Shaun. As long as we stick by them that’s the main thing. I just wish we could see a clear path forward but atm I can’t 😬 Cheers mate. Hope you’re good 👍🏼🏴
Roedd hwn caled i wylio ! Yn hanner y cyntaf roeddwn ni'n chwarae'n dda. Ond yn hanner yr ail, aeth y Boks yn "gear" nesa, chaethon ni ddim plan o gwbl. Chwaraeodd Williams yn iawn, ond does dim ddigon.
Wales is doomed I’m afraid, when you combine A group of players who lack the required talent for international games with a board who gladly sacrificed their nations Identity on the alter of Accusations….you end up in a creek without a paddle. We are going to go another 20 year drought thanks those at the WRU. We are so racist that Ashley Williams (a Black man) was our football captain for nigh on a decade and Taulupe Faletau had how many caps? Welsh rugby is DONE!!!
Such a big difference in mindset between us South Africans and the Welch. I truly believe we will win the URC next year and have 3 teams in the semis. Believe we will take the next world cup aswell. Yes yes we are that arrogant but surely you guys must start to believe. For the last few years Wales was the game I got very nervous about. We won by a point here and a point there with good sides. And we got lucky at times aswell. No sorry I just can't see it same way as you guys...you are much better then you think. Change your mindset. How lucky were we in this world cup...but you create your own luck
Gatland is out of his depth .move on get a young more energetic coach in or get maybe a total new face from the southern hemisphere..Maybe get a season coach like jake white in
I’m not too sure what the answer is to be honest. I think only coach would struggle in the current set up but haven’t said that we do look directionless at the moment which of course is on Gatlin’s coaching.
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This Wales team is rebuilding, I’m a Springbok supporter and felt the same way in 2016-2017, 2 years later we were wc champs! Wales will come right!
Hope so mate! The Ireland Vs. Saffas matches will no doubt be absolutely fantastic. Our matches with Oz probably less so 😁
I really hope so, mate. Good luck in the summer. Cheers👍🏼
So are you saying Wales will win the next World Cup? Is that it?😂
@@gopolanglekoto2019 world cup we beat them 19 - 16 in the semis and we were lucky there. So why not? They don't lose by 50..they lose by a bounce of the ball. That changes with momentum and believe
@@dn822 And we beat them by an even bigger margin over the weekend. 2019 is 5 years ago now. How long are they “rebuilding”? They had 2 World Cups to rebuild already. SA rebuilds every 2 years ready for next World Cup. I don’t think Wales is getting better, my friend. I think things are stale there because of Warren Gatland and it’s a shame. They should release him and truly start rebuilding.
As a Saffa I really enjoyed the brutal honesty. But this was a brilliant show of where your youngsters where going, especially in the first half👌🏾
Thank you, my friend. Very kind of you to say. There’s no way to sugarcoat it if I’m being totally honest😂
Agreed, some young players showing promise but it’s clear we still have a really long way to go
I thought Wales did well in spots, and we weren't particularly wonderful. Video ref seemed to have a problem with his eyesight.. They'll get better, and probably give the Aussies a thumping.
As a South african it wasnt that easy the welsh were competetive for large chunks of the game. I think there is hope for wales in Oz
Thanks, Nicholas. I certainly hope so. I do feel like you guys didn’t really get out of third gear, which is what worrying me😬
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast Rooting for you guys against the aussies!
You are very kind, but we were poor. The Boks had a decent training run, Kriel looking strong in the midfield. All the best for your upcoming tests
Wales shoud hire you, you do great breakdowns. It could only benefit them
😂 Thank you, I suspect it’s probably slightly more difficult in practice than just talking about it in my office 😂
Totally agree one up runners getting isolated, no shape in attack,all those coaches and that’s all they come up with , dewi lake played well tho , pity we didn’t have another 14 players like him .
Yeah I know! We missed Morgan today too. His play style would have been a big help today. Like you said though, no idea what these coaches are going through in training but it looks terrible
Incredibly objective analysis. A small rugby nation like Wales (population size) punches way above its weight, historically. It's a slump in time for Wales. The best teams all go through it.
Very kind of you to see, thank you. Yeah, I’m not usually as negative on this channel but I just found that game awfully difficult to watch as I don’t see a clear path for us to improve as things currently stand.
Cheers for watching 👍🏼
An honest and well informed comment on the Wales performance against South Africa. You highlight our key problem - there is no sign of any clear structure or consistent pattern of play emerging. Against the Springboks we just played damage limitation rugby. The Australia tour is now hugely important. We need to see a marked improvement in quality and two victories from the three tour matches.
Very kind of you to say thank you very much. Damage limitation is a good description of how Wales played. I’m just hoping that the coaches wrote the game off before we even started and kept all of the plans and attacking patterns for Australia because like you said we need to victories from this tour. We’re desperate😂
Gatland is a coach devoid of ideas.
I’m not sure what he’s trying to achieve at the moment, and that’s what’s worrying😬
He’s terrible. His coaching is completely out of date.
I'm a bit gutted honestly with the whole thing. I just don't really see a fix in any players (in or out of the squad), in the union, in the clubs or in the coaching. I do sometimes wish I knew what they were trying to do but these days I can't see a plan in any of it 😔😟
As you said, SA wasn't firing on all cylinders, but I was impressed with Wales first half. They were strong in contact.
Yeah, yeah, it was there just the systems and processes and just all round plan seem way off😬
Take it easy, we are building depth, there's is no quick fix, South Africa hammered us before the WC, but we done well in the WC, people need to be patient, blooding new players won't be easy, People forget south Africans blew New Zealand away in Twickenham before the WC, things can change quickly in rugby, ask Italy.
Totally agree with you, spud. My worry is though this seems like no clear plan as to what’s actually going to happen. We seem completely devoid of confidence and direction on the pitch. It doesn’t look good 🤷🏻♂️
Well at least your optimistic!! I’m doubtful Wales can up their game before the Australian tour?
First time listening to you, mate your good! Keep it up 👏👏👏
Thank you my friend. Very kind of you to say. I hope to see you back again 👍🏼🏴
I'm South African with a rather diluted drop of 1820 Welsh in my veins. Don't punish yourselves so, it's not necessary. These are vastly inexperienced players and they will grow and become a world class factor again! I mean, Etzebeth for instance has more test matches under his belt than the whole of your scrum together. Give your guys a break, give them a couple of seasons to develop. ... and let rugby in Wales win!
Yeah I get your point and you are right it’s just we’re on a downward trajectory atm and it’s hard to see where the improvements will came form 😬
If there was no other player to pick I wouldn’t mind his selections, but he’s not picking a lot of talented players and he seems quite stubborn with his choices. Hopefully we’ll get a few wins in Australia
Yeah, you could certainly improve that front row by bringing in Botha and Smith and maybe even Carrie 🤷🏻♂️
A few things to note: Wales missed an absolute sitter of a try, Winnett should have scored in the corner, and South Africa were handed a try that was clearly forward - and this try in my mind was what began to unravel the Welsh team. The gap should have been 34-20 to South Africa, which is a realistic representation of how the teams performed on the day.
The soft tries given by Wales through a simple lack of defensive structure needs fixing, and realistically this will be a lot better if players are played in position, and when Wales have a full squad to select from, as unlike SA, we don't have anywhere near the amount of options to select from.
The scrum is an issue for Wales, but then again it is for most teams against SA. I don't think there is an answer to this problem without expanding our population from 3 million to around 10x that number, or by bringing in foreign players under residency rules, like Ireland and Scotland have do. This is probably one of the leading causes of the recent changes to the scrum, and is an issue that World Rugby needs to find solutions to, as scrums are overly determinant of the end result, especially in crunch games like World Cup knock-out games.
Is Gatland losing the changing room? I don't personally think so, but his choice of players is peculiar to say the least. He needs to select more in-form club players for sure.
Yeah, I think your point is fair. South Africa certainly had the rub of the green with the officials. Having said that they also made a lot of mistakes and they discipline was poor and realistically the only chances we created were off South Africa mistakes not anything we made ourselves.
I really hope Scotland can pull it back because I do really love him as a fan of Welsh rugby and of course I want to see him succeed and I’ve always been a big defender of him. It’s just recently he’s been making very strange decisions and it’s hard to see , what the end goal is? I just hope the players can see it better than I can
Cheers for your comment. Really interesting to read.👍🏼
great vid!
Thank you
As a South African and Springbok supporter I have no liking for Warren Gatland, HOWEVER, don't judge him too harshly. His records speak for itself. He has a keen eye for talent, and he is rebuilding now. Just remember that it is not going to be an overnight fix. The players are VERY INEXPERIENCED at international level. They will need time to play together, to build trust and to create that bonds that will make them gel. Wales will become a force again. Give him the time to build that. Judge him by the next world cup. As despondent as the Wales supporters feel now, they will rejoice again. There is a lot of problems in WRU, the best players is mostly not available. WRU needs to change the eligibility rules so that all Wales players qualify. Warren Gatland's hands are tied, and should he fail, it wouldn't be his fault.
Yeah I get your point and you are right it’s just we’re on a downward trajectory atm and it’s hard to see where the improvements will came form 😬
Vey good analisis. South Africa never came out of secong gear. But an exprimental Whales side.
Thank you my friend. Very kind of you to say 🙏🏼
Hopefully we see an improvement out in Aus 🏴
While watching the game as a boks. I noticed a strange thing. Usually South Africa tries to slow things down, set piece and scrums, rucks and mauls. But I got the feeling Wales were the ones killing the speed deliberately. Very strange, not the Wales I know 🤷
Damage control I think my friend😬😂
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast We were there too. As long as there is passion, this too shall pass 😁
Great vid as usual mate. You definitely know welsh rugby. As others have said i think Gatland and Wales could definitely listen to you for some different insight into welsh rugby. They, and we, would really benefit from it IMO.
I was at Twickenham yesterday and really enjoyed the rugby. I was very happy with the half time score line. Seeing the line out actually function was a good improvement. I thought Dewi Lake (the moisest man in rugby 😉) had a good game and was a great skipper. That said...
As you said Wales looked very disjointed, defense was semi-pouros, kicking was not good to put it politely, the scrum got dominated but tbf that was to be expected and there didnt seem to be an actual game plan on the attack. I like to positive and I'm sure there are things going on behind the scenes I have no idea about. I hope those things are positive instead of negative. The situation with Sam and not even being given full kit is very worrying though. That should not be happening. And I as civilian should never know about. Publicly known camp drama is never a good sign of things.
Glad you had a good day out mate. I had to watch the game on mute so what was the atmosphere like?
Yeah completely agree that we shouldn’t be able to hear what’s going on in camp. It’s not a good look is it😬 Not sure what’s going on with Gats atm. He seams a bit off the boil. Who knows. Let’s hope it changes going to Australia 😬
@TheWelshSportsPodcast it very much felt like an away game. It seemed like there were probably 10 to 1 people supporting SA vs. Wales. At least around me, like 30% of the people supporting SA, actually English, haha to be expected. But the Welsh fans were very loud and very proud.
The saffa fans were awesome. Really good Craig. After the game two different groups of South Africanns came up to us and said basically the exact same thing "tons of respect to Wales they never quit, they never surrender and the never go away. They aren't like Scotland or England. When you play Wales you are in fight for the full 80." That put a smile on my face.
Congrats to SA on the well deserved win. Massive respect to the Bokkie and Rassie.
Cymru am Byth!
Hello from a South African, you come across very humble, great insight to rugby and mostly with love for the game. I look forward to seeing for off your contend. Do you think by returning to Gatland as head coach are you taking away the opertunaty for Walsh rugby to grow? Pss living in Ireland 🇮🇪
A South African rugby fan living in Ireland must be fun😂
I appreciate the kind words, my friend and glad you’re gonna stick around👌🏼
I have to say, I was over the moon when he came back And I think the World Cup display prove that he was the man to take us forward. Having said that since the six Nations there’s been lot of questionable selections and the general vibe doesn’t feel good but I don’t know who else they could get in who understands Welsh rugby quite like he does so I’m not really sure what the answer is if I’m being honest
@TheWelshSportsPodcast thank you for the reply. The world of rugby is better with a strong Welsh team. I think a new generation of players must have a new generation leader. Welsh rugby needs new input and cut dead wood. Have a blessed day. Pss regarding Ireland, it's always fun having a giggle when heads blow up so big and crash and burns with ego in tatters .. lol
Yeah, it’s hard to argue with that. I’ve got a young leadership group now a couple of quality players. I just hope as they develop the players around them as well and we may have a decent team in a couple of years. Let’s just hope it doesn’t take that long for for us to start winning games 😬😬😬
Wales have always been predictable in attack under Gatland. For a long time I thought it must be Howley's fault, but it's no better with a different attack coach. How does anyone think that a forward at first receiver and taking the ball standing still can make any progress?
Yeah exactly. Maybe it is Howley. The attack looked ok in the WC but since then it’s looked terrible. I’m not sure but something needs to change
Hey bro! Fantastic review as always!
The shoreline was actually more flattering towards us than I expected but the performance was absolute hoop. Only 1 clean line break, basic handling errors, horrendous decision making in attack and numerous other facets of the game made us look like a tier 2 team.
Costelow is NOT the guy for us. He does naff all. Give him the boot and let Beetham have a go.
I think people saw in this game what I’ve said about Winnet from the start. He offers zero in attack. He’s very much like halfpenny in that he is fairly solid under the high ball but that is literally it. In attack we play with 14 men.
Grady is probably the best winger in Wales. PLAY HIM ON THE WING. Get Eddie James in the centre. He looked alright when he came on in my opinion.
One thing that’s a positive is Dewi lake. He proved that he is a quality player. The drop off from him to our 2nd choice hooker (whoever the hell that is) is massive.
Our props are garbage. They got lucky that the ref didn’t penalise them at every scrum. I don’t think they took a forward step at all.
Gareth Davies has totally lost it. Fumbling the ball at the base of rucks, EVERY box kick was way too long and that little chip
Into the in goal area when we were on their 5m line was poo. I was screaming at him through my tv for that.
Gatland has lost the confidence and respect from his players IMO. He has to go because it seems like the boys just don’t want to be involved. Feyi-Waboso choosing England over wales. LRZ leaving for the NFL. Players retiring when they are still the first choice pick in their position. Playing having “breaks” from playing (Elias, Rowlands). And now this thing with Sam Parry. Players should want to drop everything to get another cap and represent Wales. But it seems like the atmosphere is poor in the camp and guys just want to leave.
I have no idea what to expect from the Aus tour but I know that if we somehow win all 3 games, that’s probably the worst outcome for us in the long run as it further papers over the gaping cracks in the WRU.
Cheers Sam
I have to still defend winnet. We didn’t go more than two or three phases max all game. So he’s never gonna get involved in that type of attack. For Cardiff ihe comes into the attack and breaks the line and he’s pretty good at it to be fair.
I don’t know what the answers are mate. I really wish he brought Dan Edwards into the squad because I don’t think Beetham is the answer at 10 although his kicking looked okay
Until we get a clear game plan and a platform to playoff I think you could put Dan Carter at 10 and he would look average at the moment , we just don’t create anything or any deception
Hard to see the road ahead, but we have to just hope that Gatlin pulls out something and we get a couple of wins 🏴
Cheers Sam
I have to still defend winnet. We didn’t go more than two or three phases max all game. So he’s never gonna get involved in that type of attack. For Cardiff ihe comes into the attack and breaks the line and he’s pretty good at it to be fair.
I don’t know what the answers are mate. I really wish he brought Dan Edwards into the squad because I don’t think Beetham is the answer at 10 although his kicking looked okay
Until we get a clear game plan and a platform to playoff I think you could put Dan Carter at 10 and he would look average at the moment , we just don’t create anything or any deception
Hard to see the road ahead, but we have to just hope that Gatlin pulls out something and we get a couple of wins 🏴
Felt like we did better than expected. After 15 minutes with 2 yellows i thought it could get seriously messy but the team did well to keep it respectful. That being said felt like SA were barely out of 2nd gear and on another day would of really put us to the sword. Thought Liam williams really justified him being back involved his experience alone shone a bit yesterday. Thought Rio dyer had an awful game and didnt even notice Winnent on the pitch.
Australia are in a real bad mess themselves with the state of rugby union in the country. If we go there and suffer 2 heavy defeats I think alarm bells really need to start ringing. Think we just have to get used to being a very good tier 2 rugby nation for the next few years.
It feels like we’re heading back to where we were in the 90s which is worrying😬 Thank god were t touring Australia and not NZ this summer 😂
Nice one Christian, good video for debating! Read one comment 'no coaching in the world will ever make an average player into an international class player' got to disagree with that oneok players need to be able to play but a coach can build that player into a great player! Just need the coaches! Yesterdays result was a lot better than i thought it would be! Thought the players showed immense character and apart from scrum time were ok! Kicking aside!! Felt a lot of decisions went against us when they should of gone our way! Like the deliberate knock on 10m out from SA line when they were a man down by their no8 i think it was! Yellow card all day long was the wprse for me! Bongi's head on head challange no arms was shocking!! Really think Rassie would of made an hour long video after the refs performance yesterday! I certainly feel more upbeat than i did before the match! What we need to realise is that was the strongest SA 23 available for that match and there is no way rassie would of allowed them to be rusty!!
Unfortunately, in my opinion, it seems like the players on up to a standard and the coaching isn’t seemingly bringing them up another level at the moment. I don’t know it’s a mess 🤷🏻♂️
Yeah, I thought a few of the rest decisions were a bit strange like the ones you highlighted. Also, the studs straight to the head that was red for me too. Seem like the ref had already decided who was going to be on top of all the game started. I still don’t think we would’ve got anywhere near winning that game though even with all of the decisions going away 😬
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast yes agree with you, but it's not as much doom and gloom as people are saying! I think we will do well in Australia!
It wasn’t easy Wales just don’t have the same depth the Bokke do.
Not a pretty game. Both sides showed a lot of rust. I feel like scoreline doesn't fully reflect the game. Wales were in it for most of it despite playing poorly. The best thing to take from this as a Bok and Welsh fan is that it's the first time in a long while that the lads have played together.
Yeah, I’m really hoping with a bit of time it comes together. It just really didn’t look like it had any direction at all in this game😬
We were within a point the first half, that was a plus. That second half SA try was a forward pass and then it was a shit show, i really don't like being negative but i really don't think costelow is anyway good enough. He's too inconsistent for me. I hate having any bad comments on this team but it's going to be a long time when Wales are going to be a force
Yeah, I do genuinely think we’re at Rockbottom and it’s going to take a significant amount of time for us to get anywhere near the top five teams in the world
No coaching in the world will ever make an average player into an international class player. We simply have a terrible shortage of class. Yesterday was obviously even worse as a good number of those players wouldn’t even make a Welsh 3rd team a few years ago. Not sure where the hell we can go from this. I do think we’ll be better with all the missing players back, but no where near where we want to be. 😢
Yeah you’re very right. Not really sure what the way forward is now. Starting to feel like the 90s again 🥹🥹🥹
OK well how do you explain Portugal? Have they got better players than us as well? Because they look like a well-coached team who have worked on skills and yes good players will always beat average players but we weren't just beaten, we were pitiful to watch. That doesn't even happen to tier 2 teams like Portugal. The result is one thing but what Gatland has or rather hasn't done with this team is ridiculous. He can't even be professional and constructive enough to pick his best players. You're not a sage, Warren, you're not a saviour. You're a fraud ten years out of date, oversaw the most boring lions tour of all time and made the Chiefs resemble the Dragons. Go home, man.
Taken the words out of my mouth! No idea what the gameplan is and im fed up of being "brave in defeat" or "this is a young side they'll learn". Something seriously wrong with Gatland and this current camp
Yep, the unlucky losers is okay but only for a short amount of time we have to start seeing some progression forward because at the moment we seem to be getting worse not better
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast Just seen the squad announcement for the Australian tour - only 3 Ospreys players making the cut and taking Hill over Ratti? Gatlands actions aren't matching his words!
Not only is Gats completely out of date with his game plan, he ignores genuinely good players in order to pick people out of position. He ignores:
Nicky Smith
Rhys Carre
Botha
Parry
Morris
Edwards
Kieran Williams
Max Llewllyn
Owen Williams
Jarrod Evans
Dan John
To name just a few.
Yeah, Fairpoint 👏🏼
we all understand that they are building and they brought the fight.
Certainly do it just doesn’t seam like there’s a clear plan atm that’s all
What’s the deal with the hate on Mathias? The only times I’ve heard you speak about him is just “he’s rubbish”, and with other players if it’s criticism then it sounds measured and fair but with Mathias it just sounds like hate. Give me a reason why he’s rubbish and you want nothing to do with him.
He’s only 24 so that’s young for a prop and still quite a few years before he reaches his peak, Gats has seemed to bring him in to teach him the ropes, give him some experience and let him learn. If it’s fair then I’m with you but I’m not hearing anything fair so far.
If Gats is just brining him to teach him then he shouldn’t be getting as much game time for Wales as he has.
I have mentioned he’s young before and it takes time, I’ve just seen nothing from him and I think this season he was the most penalised prop at scrum time in the URC. That’s not a great stat🤷🏻♂️
I don’t hate anyone, I’m sure he’s giving 100% all the time I just don’t think he’s good enough and certainly not better than Carre or Nicky smith?
Yeah I see your point, you just haven’t explained that until now from what I’ve heard.
I wouldn’t agree that he’s not at this level tho, he looks like he could be a solid player so I’m all for Gats giving him time, but it does really come down to his squad selection. Having Mathias as a 3rd option behind Nicky smith and Domachowski I think would balance the team out more while also giving him some valuable experience. Gats sees something in Mathias, I just hope we get to see him really break through soon.
In fairness I take your point. I have been very critical of him and maybe I should be a bit more understanding of his age. I looked it up after and he was actually the most penalised player in the whole of the URC so not a good look
I agree we need to develop young players like him though and thanks for pointing out me not backing up my opinions. I’ll bare that in mind going forward 👍🏼
To be honest if you'd showed me that scoreline before the game I'd probably have taken it but we were only spared further punishment because of a weak Bok performance.
The disparity between our team throughout the 2010's and now is evident - throughout the game you could see even in what're surely his last 2 or so years as an international player that Liam Williams is a cut above the rest of the team in attack - he was probably our only player in attack who tried to do anything dynamic even if it didn't always come off. The excuse of "it's a young team" is fine for close loses such as England or Scotland in the Six Nations or even ones where we give it a good go and get a bit unlucky on the scoresheet like we did against Ireland, but not the embarrassing performances like we've had in our last 3 games against France, Italy and now South Africa.
Yeah, you’re totally right. Rugby in Wales has been mismanaged for so long that it’s finally come home to roost And I see no clear path to improvement as it currently stands. It’s worrying😬
As an old man who has watched one too many games of rugby I say this. This young Welsh side will build into a competitive unit by the next World Cup. Lake, Williams, Costello, Bevan, Wainright, Thomas and the new 12 are all world class players. Add the players returning and you have the spine of a final four team going into WC2027.
That’s a fair point my worry is the fans just stop watching over the next year two and don’t come back by the time the World Cup comes around
Thanks
Thank you so much David. Very kind of you my friend. I’m very grateful 🙏🏼🏴
Gatland and Howley’s management style of ‘my way or the highway’ is doomed to failure this time for these reasons:
1. We're losing every game
2. The players know that Gatland’s style is out of date.
3. The players know that Gatland is picking the wrong players.
This losing streak will continue until Gatland goes
I’m really hopeful can turn things around, but I’m not sure whether that’s just blind. Hope rather than realistic 🤷🏻♂️
@@TheWelshSportsPodcastwell, we’re both helping you’re right!
Doedd dim syndod yno. Roeddwn ni'n wael.
Despondency all round. SA only needed to be in 2nd gear to win. We’re lacking a game plan coz at the moment it’s 2 or 3 carries, barely over the gain line, then scrum half box kick or back to Costelow, 20 yds down field and we lose possession. Where’s the zip, the creating overlaps, the 2 on 1s? it’s all too predictable and defences can just soak up any of our pressure. Ben Thomas, playmaker, please for 1st AUS test.
No surprise to hear Gats being optimistic in the interview after the game, it’s his job and he’s got a contract till next RWC, but i wd have preferred more honesty …
And Beetham cover for Costelow: wtf???
Agreed with everything you said. We’re so predictable. There’s no pattern or deception at all. Very worrying going forward. Ben T might help with that as you said but we seam directionless 😬
That’s what happens when you have now 10 cover. It’s mental 😂
I couldn't bring myself to even watch the game, that's how low we've dropped for me. I've never minded losing, let's be fair we've had plenty of practice of that over the years, but watching such poor rugby is something i just can't put myself through. I have better things to do with my time.
Yeah, I guess that’s a damming indictment😬 we do still have to try and support the boys in the team though and really hope that they can turn things around come this summer 🙏🏼
Plumtree is not an international and Gatland HAS to call Botha into the squad, we wont beat most tier 2 sides with this scrum
Botha would be a good edition for sure. Not 100% on Plumbtree yet, we need to see more
Read my mind there mate can't believe the lack of creativity in the team and to be honest I don't see a answer for the scrum
No me either Thomas and Archie griffin may improve things. Who knows?
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Dyslexia, sorry 😂
With the Sam parry and Nicky smith situation is pretty crap. I'm bored of Gatland's attitude there are better players out there but never get picked. We should be playing them all and the youngest together not just dumping them in the deep end. I just think Gatland and his coaching staff need to go and a fresh start is needed. A new generation with a new coach.
Gatlands ego is definitely getting in the way of any growth for this team, he has to go before the next six nations i think, he has no plan anymore
@@rhysjones9870 think his plan died with AWJ retirement and Shaun Edwards leaving for France. 🤣
@@richardrees3225 This is all the proof we need that Shaun Edwards was the Coach that made us competetive, When Gatland went back to the Chiefs he made them a bottom table side
@@rhysjones9870 The only so much man management that players can take. To many chiefs not enough Indians , The older players deserve to be picked on merit and playing young players that aren't up to the level is just a stupid and hard headed move.
I’m not sure guys. I’ve always been a Gatland defender but it’s getting increasingly difficult to be there at the moment. The Sam thing is just not good enough for an international coach
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Dyslexic. Sorry 🤦♂️
S'OK. Spelcheck has much to answer for... 😂
😂
If Rhys Carre was French or South African he'd have 50 caps by now. And you have to look at where wales stands in the rankings compared to these two teams. The type of NZ coaches we get over here seem to be obsessed with a certain type of robotic "athelete" rather than rugby players. Anyone who seems to not completely fit into the machine is being discarded.
Gatland did not pick the best players available for the six nations because he was "building for the world cup". Well The world cup is a grand ambition.......but, realistically........not very likely. In the meantime Welsh fans paid a lot of money to watch their country get whitewashed in a competion that holds ancient rivalries that are quite frankly more important to them than the world cup.
The Ospreys have the only decent pack in Wales yet the likes of Ratti and Sutton were overlooked for the likes of Screech and Hill? The selection of Hill screams cronieism, something Howley and Gatland are kinda renowned for. Just ask Dwayne Peel, Lee Byrne, James Hook, Adam Jones etc. Gatland also has a tendency to heap pressure on players when things aren't going well for them.....for Sam Costelow read Rhys Priestland.
Why is Nicky Smith ignored? Why is Morgan Morriss' domestic form not rewarded with the opportunity to show if he can add something at this level? What's Alex Kings' role now that Howley has slithered back in?
Personally I thought we needed something new when Gatlands tenure initially ended. I thought he was poor with the Lions inSouth Africa, he was poor for the Chiefs. But I thought as a short term fix for the world cup he was the best bet. But the fact he was given another 4 years can only be reflected on the complete idiots at the WRU.
Regardless of the development programne, if we need a stable scrum now......why not call up Tom Botha?
Yeah, agree with everything you said. It’s hard to see what the plan is at the moment. The only thing it seems like he’s doing is pushing in his youngsters to find out who can swim which obviously you have to do when you’re in the position we are but it almost seems like he’s willing to sacrifice a year or two of losses to meet his grand ambition
The problem is is on the pitch it’s a shambles and there’s no direction. I really hope I’m overreacting but I guess only time will tell we just have totry and back The Boys
Well.....let's hope they can put something a bit more constructive in place against Austrsloa.
It all very much smacks of one dimensional damage limitation tactics at the mo tho.
Fingers crossed, I'll be forced to eat my words🤞
"Too easy"
Just saying.
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Dyslexia, sorry 😂
Defence for Wales was very bad, SA got through far too easily, and not much sign of any attack either. We have fallen off a cliff since 2021, 5th, 5th and 6th in last 3 years 6 nations. It’s hard to see Wales beating any nation at the moment. Current set up and coaches definitely not working, is that the coaches, lack of quality players or both?
Unfortunately, Steve, I think it’s both. The gaming Wales has been mismanaged for so long and he finally caught up 🥹
Sorry to be picky but the title graphic should be 'Too easy for the Boks'. Hmm, but then again I noticed and listened to the video because of the grammar. So maybe its a stroke of genius.
100% on purpose 👀
Where do you start, same old problems lack off a tight head lack of creativity, a woeful outside half, lack of leadership, losing is becoming a habit with Wales, you get one or two good performances from individuals but they are not coming together or functioning as a team, its the age old problem we lack quality in depth, Costello is just not international class and had Anscombe or Sheedy been available he would not be playing, and that highlights the problem the quality in out first choice may be good, beneath that the drop off in standards in shocking, Its going to be tough in Australia, then a tough Autumn internationals and to be honest I cannot see us wining any of those games, its case of Wales need to go through the mill till we get to the point where some seeds of hope grow, but its really hard to see where its coming from, I hate being negative and down on my country but on the rugby field there is nowhere to hide, Australia have a point to prove and so have Fiji, and they won't be sympathetic to our demise.
Yeah so spot-on with everything you see, Clive. If we don’t pick up a win in Australia then I think it’s gonna be another long run of defeats.
I’m really hoping it’s a similar thing to when Steve Hanson went on that long losing streak, but you saw the shoots come out the other end. Let’s hope it’s like that again 🙏🏼🏴
Hi Christian, To be honest I wasn't expecting a win but not a lost like that may be a 10 loss, saying that the ref and TMO were very poor and to me the game seem one sided you can see a forward pass for SA and got there try the head to head contact that should have been red card. Good to see Liam Williams I thought he played well apart from that we were not at our best but to me it was one sided. I've all ways liked Warren Gatland he is dealing with a new team , the best have gone retired, and has to start all over again this will take a year or two, I'm will Wales all the way in winning and losing they are my team.
As always a great review ,catch you on the next game, take care
Yeah Fair point Shaun. As long as we stick by them that’s the main thing. I just wish we could see a clear path forward but atm I can’t 😬
Cheers mate. Hope you’re good 👍🏼🏴
Roedd hwn caled i wylio ! Yn hanner y cyntaf roeddwn ni'n chwarae'n dda. Ond yn hanner yr ail, aeth y Boks yn "gear" nesa, chaethon ni ddim plan o gwbl. Chwaraeodd Williams yn iawn, ond does dim ddigon.
Gwaith galed I gwilio 🥹
Wales' biggest issue is the game is dying.
Gen z would rather stab each other than go to war on a rugby pitch 🤷♂️
Yeah popularity is certainly dropping off. Don’t really know what the answer for that is 😬
Gatland is a bloody joke. He’s genuinely dreadful. It’s that simple. AND, since Howley has returned we have looked significantly worse.
It has been worse since Howley came back, but whether that’s just coincidence I don’t know
South Africa should have had 3 tries disallowed full stop shocking
Wales is doomed I’m afraid, when you combine A group of players who lack the required talent for international games with a board who gladly sacrificed their nations Identity on the alter of Accusations….you end up in a creek without a paddle. We are going to go another 20 year drought thanks those at the WRU. We are so racist that Ashley Williams (a Black man) was our football captain for nigh on a decade and Taulupe Faletau had how many caps? Welsh rugby is DONE!!!
Such a big difference in mindset between us South Africans and the Welch. I truly believe we will win the URC next year and have 3 teams in the semis. Believe we will take the next world cup aswell. Yes yes we are that arrogant but surely you guys must start to believe. For the last few years Wales was the game I got very nervous about. We won by a point here and a point there with good sides. And we got lucky at times aswell. No sorry I just can't see it same way as you guys...you are much better then you think. Change your mindset. How lucky were we in this world cup...but you create your own luck
@wales I’m not really sure I understand the “racist” part of your comment?
Gatland is out of his depth .move on get a young more energetic coach in or get maybe a total new face from the southern hemisphere..Maybe get a season coach like jake white in
I’m not too sure what the answer is to be honest. I think only coach would struggle in the current set up but haven’t said that we do look directionless at the moment which of course is on Gatlin’s coaching.