Chiefs restructure Patrick Mahomes deal; can Mahomes surpass Brady as the GOAT? | NFL | UNDISPUTED
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- Skip Bayless, Richard Sherman and Keyshawn Johnson react to news the Kansas City Chiefs have restructured Patrick Mahomes' contract. Mahomes will make the most money in NFL history over a four year period, prompting the Undisputed cast to ponder if Mahomes can surpass Tom Brady as the GOAT QB.
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🤔💭Five a f c championships three super bowl appearances and you only got two😳😳😳😳 He lebron james brady is jordan😳😳😳
And his supporting cast tyreek hill is a generational talent And kelsey Brady never had that
Nobody will remember Brady in 5 years mahomes is the new goat
@@midwesttraffikc271 😳😳😳😳 Boy boy You are banned from talking sports ever Tom brady will always be relevant
Get Keshawn of the show.
12:11 Sherman face when Skip said that 😭😭😭😭
I still remember when he said "Pause" on the first episode lmao
I didn’t notice that till this time stamp I’m dying 😂😂😂
Bruh I'm dying now 😂😂
skip : “am I right”?
Richard : “ To a degree “ 🤣🤣🤣
IM CRYING!!! 😂😂😂😂😂
Skip says a lot of off the wall stuff 😂😂😂 “just take it, take it, suck it up, swalllow it”
🤣🤣🤣
He’s always been a bit sus lol
bro i was like wtf even richard was like you’re right to a degree but i’m not agreeing with wtf you just said bruh 🤣
@@DeeTVx facts 😂
Lmao, That "Thanks to me" from Sherman at the beginning was hilarious.
He was like “what he say f*ck me for?” 😂😂
Bro I died laughing
@johnghaly3409 i immediately thought of when Fifty said that abt Floyd 😂😂
No bs Keyshawn been underrated so far he be funny lowkey and bring good smart sound arguments
😭
I'm shocked. Skip NEVER talked about Mahomes this much before unless he lost a game
He the new Brady
Well Brady is retired
@@adamp.8571 exactly is why I said he is the NEW Brady…..
He have no choice now tom retired 😂😭
skip will jump on mahomes bandwagon as soon as he wins another SB
Richard Sherman has always made good arguments even on his podcast before this show. When he starts talking football you start to learn a thing or two.
Can definitely feel the show starting to get more chemistry.
I love when people try to discredit Tom’s final SB as if it was easy but I remember literally EVERY SINGLE PERSON in sports media EXCEPT Skip picking the Saints, then the packers, and then Chiefs against them 🤔
Yep. And with the chiefs, everyone picked them except for skip and when they got destroyed they now had excuses for o-line. Yea that was the same o line as when yal said the chiefs would win. You don’t get an excuse then
Exactly. Bucs were predicted to lose each one of those games by the "experts". Then once Brady got his 7th ring the narrative was changed to the Bucs being stacked. Stacked teams aren't predicted to lose in almost all their playoff games.
It was easy anybody who knows any football knew it was a easy superbowl the o-line of the chiefs were all injured vs a top 3 front in the league
@@shawntalks2414 right, everyone except 99.9 % of the sports media
this was before the injuries. Besides, that SB was won by Bucs defense
I used to stay that about Manning that it would be crazy to hear someone say they never seen Payton Manning play, and now that’s happening. Time moves fast
One thing y’all keep forgetting when y’all say that Patrick mahomes has carried the team is, ALEX SMITH looked great the years before mahomes took over. He took them to the playoffs 4 years in a row. They had a high flying offense before mahomes even got there. He made them better but it wasn’t like they were a bad team when he came in.
Love it when key and sherm have that moment of realizing what type of show they are on, and Skip is who we think he is
Skip bugs me so much, he won’t concede to anything. At least Key and Sherm actually give him some credit. Skip only believes what comes out his mouth and it’s irritating. Even if he’s wrong. Feel sorry for his wife
@@derekvaldo5640😂
Skip said At “at eye test” 😂 we’ll them eyes be getting a little bit older soooo don’t know if that’s a good test
@@derekvaldo5640 it’s because it’s a debate show - they each have their sides and Skips sees this as his sport/his game and he’s fighting to win his argument - he is not so stupid to not see the flaws in his arguments but he wants to win - and that’s what aggravates viewer , he’ll gloss over any valid points and hammer /repeat his own points
For me it’s entertainment- I can’t take anything Skip argues too seriously because it’s a show , and yeah hot take is what grabs attention and viewers just the way it is these days just like politics and any internet topic
@@derekvaldo5640 Don't feel sorry. She can handle herself well as you may have seen on past shows. You may get irritated, but don't get it about this. Mahomes will not come close to what Brady did. The guy was really lucky to get the two he has. The guy had a chance early to get two more and at the same time take two off the board from Brady. But it didn't happen, so now it won't.
This show can’t keep Brady out of its mouth🙄
Well it is a sports show genius
GOATS stay relevant in the media son
Key saying Peyton isn’t in the discussion with Montana, Brady & Mahomes is insane.
It is what it is. Manning got 1st round bounced routinely, and in both superbowl years he played badly in the playoffs.
When manning won his superbowls, he was effectively dragged there by the rest of his team.
Key bitter cuz Manning didn’t come out early to Jets …facts
I understand though, talent wise he is as good as it gets. But Mahomes, Brady, and Montana are all better than him in the postseason. 27 postseason games, Manning won 14. He lost 13.
@@derekmathews1557 you mean the team lost 13? At least 5 of those his team couldn’t produce one stop after he helped give his team a late lead. That’s not even counting 2005 when all Nick Harper had to do was run the fumble back down the sideline. When Brady chokes, his defense bails him out all the time.
@@EZshocks , yeah the team lost 13. The Colts were not a good playoff team. You don’t think I know that. That was the Colts biggest problem in the Peyton Manning era. The defense. Yes Brady’s defenses bail him out all the time. But I know this, it’s not rocket science.
Super Bowl 49 wasnt a gift just because of the last play. seatle were lucky to even get to the goalline with that jugling catch before
So Skip criticized Mahomes' last super bowl performance? I used to be a Mahomes hater. Then I saw him win that game on a high ankle sprain. Can't hate anymore.
The narrative that it's just Mahomes and Reid stops this year. Our defense is playing lights out if they keep this up we have a top 5 defense in the NFL this year for Mahomes first time in his career.
Hope we win the Superbowl too. Good offense and freaking great defense if this keeps up. IF those boys just could catch those balls and not let go (Pause)
Agreed the defence does look very legit so far. But it's never been able to be great consistently so i'm still a bit skeptical. Also worry about the WR corps, but Rice could become a solid option.
If it all comes together tho, oh my, this team is going to be very hard to beat for the forseeable future.
Tbh they never give pat respect no matter wat he do. Been 3 SB, have two ring nd last we have 10 rookies,2 mvp, only 27 years old. Give him respect ong
@@mhm1sucio477Well yeah but when you start comparing him to the goat. Yeah it makes Mahomes look not as good that why it’s not close. It could be if he keeps it up but ask every player the hardest thing to do after winning a Super Bowl. It’s winning another one it doesn’t matter if they just won there first or 6 or 4, it takes a lot to win a Super Bowl or even go there.
Skip keeps calling Mahomes a kid, the man is 28. Show some respect.
Gunna be hard when we watched a very old brady bounce prime mahomes from a afc championship and a superbowl
Even in Brady 3 superbowl losses, the patriots actually had a 4th quarter lead, so Brady played well enough to win all 10 superbowls.
Also played not well enough to lose 8 of them. Only the Bucs-Chiefs, Eagles-Pats were comfortable wins
We moving goal post now? Lol
brady had a superteam in 2 of those, vs my wild card team
@@timocruz510......actually Eagles/Pats was a very close game as well.
Bucs/Chiefs is really Brady's only cruiser.
Speaks even more to the excellence of his qb play with so many close championship wins and even more so to the excellence of Belichick's coaching because close games require more "critical situation excellence" from all units(we can really only credit Brady for how he led the offenses, he has no impact or influence on the defense, and special teams)
They were a great HC/QB duo, the most accomplished of all time(best is too subjective in my view)
Brady sealed his legend, even though he didn't really need to, by going into Tampa Bay and immediately taking charge of that offense and inspiring those guys to excel at their jobs.
Belichick is struggling badly without Tom.
That excellence at qb really helps!
This why SB wins should not be discussed as who is the better player. Those are team wins especially in football.
Yoooooo look at Sherm when Skip said take it suck it up swallow it 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I’m dying
Skip found something new to use against Mahomes. Shocker lol
This was their best show yet. I can watch this...
GOAT discussions are always subjective. Brady’s story is unparalleled in modern sports because there’s no reason he should have been what he was. If you just watch Pat, he should be this good because of his athleticism.
This one is straight forward. Brady got 2 super bowls off of mahomes. He actually beat mahomes in a playoffs and super bowls. This point no one talks about.
@@DEVILS_advocate05- you mean the Dee Ford offsides and the Bucs defense? Brady had a lot of help.
@@DEVILS_advocate05 I agree TB is the best. I just mean it’s a fairly subjective discussion. No QB will eclipse Marino’s ‘84 season when it was an era of balanced play calling and much more physical play. 🤷♂️
@@Dozav7 you act like kelce and tyreek or honeybadger weren’t on that team that year. Not to mention Brady’s first year on that team. No excuses dawg. Cope
@@Dozav7 yea I mean that game. Btw mahomes is my fav player
The chemistry of this show gets better everyday.
The final boss battle is nostalgia.
That field goal for Brady's first SB over the Rams is still the straightest long distance field goal I've ever seen anyone make 😆
Magnet
Nobody reading that broski broski
@@evansdarien5125my guy... It's 22 words 🤣.. You can't be that lazy lol.
@@McArthur-PoseyThe average American reads at an 7th to 8th grade level
skip think brady made that kick
Despite the seven rings, Tom Brady is the GOAT for a few reasons: One, he's a clutch QB - he shows up WHEN IT MATTERS MOST. Two, he and his team beat the best teams (04' Steelers, 14' Seahawks, 01' Rams, 16' Falcons, 18' Rams, 13' Broncos, etc.) and outsmarts great defensive teams through reading blitz, risky decisions, and quickness. Three, breaks and hold records that may not be broken. Four, made millions of NFL fans cry and crush their dreams. Five, he terrorized the NFL for TWO DECADES. Six, he played as an elite caliber QB while playing in his 40s, and final reason, the only QB, along with his team, to go undefeated in a regular season. Call him a "cheater" and hate him all you want, but you can't deny his greatness, nor think that anybody can surpass him as the GOAT.
Yes, Mahomes is an elite QB and can argue that he's in the top 10 as the greatest QB ever, but I don't see him surpassing Tom Brady as the greatest QB all of all time.
@@troyh.2024 Mahomes in the top 10 best ever QB?? How about the top 3!!! Like Keyshawn stated: it's Brady, Montana and Mahomes. The order in which they're ranked is subjective to who's doing the ranking. But, it's those three (at least for now).
It isnt hating to point out he benefitted from cheating.
If you think what the astros did was bad, you cant give the patriots a pass from 01-06. They cheated.
@@Kanfachan most people have him outside of top 10 cause he doesn’t have the longevity yet. I mean sure he has records for fastest to get certain Stats but he holds no major records yet. I’d say he’s on the trajectory to being top 3 but he needs some more years
@@azazelvalentine1762 Exactly! My top three is Brady, Montana, and Manning
12:10 suck it up, swallow it lmaoooo SHERMANS reaction lmfao!!!!!!!!
“Take it, take it, suck it up, swallow it” 🤣🤣🤣😭💀💀💀 AYOOOOO
Thing is Jordon never got a chance to play lebron and beat him, Brady played mahomes and beat him twice in the biggest game to win 2 superbowls at the cost of mahomes
Exactly
Who else isn't surprised by skips take on mahomes? Skip is a piece of work.
Never mentions Mahomes messed up toe against Tampa ! I guess he blocked that out ? Not to mention the O line
@@martinbrotherton5153are you deadass making excuses lmfaoo at the end of the day, regardless of what y’all say, Brady is the Greatest of All Time. Never to be caught up to especially by Mahomes. He hasn’t even eclipsed Montana 😂
@@Iamayoutuber069when Mahomes passes Brady, I'll be back to say I told you so boy 💯 MAHOMES OVER BRADY, Mahomes is WAY better, don't forget Brady got carried to like 5-6 Superbowl rings with the #1 defense every year 💯 give Brady a #10-20 defense, he CHOKES. Don't forget he paid the refs and deflated balls to 💯 stay quite lil bih
@@redkingdom2390 when he get eight Super Bowls we can talk
@@Iamayoutuber069 lol Tom and his 3 MVPs in 21 years? 18 top 10 defences Pat hasn't had one (on a per drive basis) Don't look at the W/L column only and actually watch the games.
12:12 why skip say to swallow it and sherm waitin for him to say pause lol
Just Take it, just take it, suck it up, swallow it😂😂 Skip is wild😂12:10
😂😂😂
If Key wants to nitpick Brady's Super Bowl wins, then you have to look at the losses.
In each of Brady's three losses in the Super Bowl, he left the field with New England *in the lead.* The defense would then come in and promptly give up a touchdown.
And in the loss to Philly, the Patriots literally let Nick Foles throw for 500 yards -- in a Super Bowl!
Nah when 12:11 he said just suck it up and swallow he was holding in that laugh😂😂😂
Patrick Mchomes is magical❤
Brady came in at absolute perfect timing when the Pats were peaking after Parcells and Bill had built a great team and he won 3 SBs in a fashion similar to Terry Bradshaw Superbowl wins with the Steel Curtain. Back then he was already an important piece to those wins, though. Against Carolina he answered Jake Delhomme drive for drive. What really establishes him as the greatest, however, is when he rejuvenated his powers at 36 and won the other 3 SBs. After 2009 he was the main force of the Patriots. He kept them in every game they played and he was the very definition of consistency. When he went to Tampa, he squeezed out the very last of his powers and won another one as the culmination of everything he had learned and developed in New England. Pat Mahomes is Favre and Elway put together. His stats are off the charts much like Mannings and Rodgers. The NFL runs through him now. But it is way too early to crown him. He needs to go to at least to win two more SBs and maybe go to an additional one or two which he loses. To me, he isn't scratching Brady's, Manning's and Montana's legacy until then.
Would have, should have, could have. If Brady didn't get this....If Brady didn't get that. If the Colts move up to draft Mahomes....If the 49ers drafted Mahomes. Would have, should have could have.
No that's where you are wrong Brady came into a team that was 5 and 13 team and wasn't the starter all off season and had a coach with a big time loosing record well mahomes went to a team that went to the playoffs 5 straight years has andy Reid 1 of the greatest coaches and offensive minds plus had 2 all pro weapons in kelce and t Hill well Brady had freakin Troy brown mahomes had a great situation
Brady never played a snap in the nfl that he was outta playoff contention in his career he isn't just the goat because of superbowls
What Manning are you talking about?
2things: Andy Reid hasn't won BEFORE having Mahomes.
Nd Pat is already better than Favre nd Manning. Manning's SB wins don't weigh the same
At 12:12 sherm face killed me I literally had to make sure I wasn’t trippin 😭
😂😂😂😂 no cap.
“Thanks to this guy seating next to me”
Sherm “ThAnKs To Me?”😂😂😂
Aye yoooo.Pause ... It's ok just take it, take it, suck it up, swallow it.....😮😂😂😂 Richard Sherman face says it all.
7-2. Mahomes is never overtaking Brady. The way Mahomes plays he might burn out by mid to late 30's, not to mention once Reid goes who knows how KC might play. Brady finished with 35 Playoff wins, 88 Playoff TD's, 19 Division titles, 15 Pro Bowl selections, 46 4th Quarter comebacks, 102,614 yards Reg. and Post season yards and 23 Seasons in the League. I'll be astonished if Mahomes gets near any of them but if any current QB can do it its him
Look at Sherman face at 12:13🤣🤣🤣skip wilding
I think if Mahomes gets 5 and is the reason his team won, and puts up numbers I will say Mahomes. I agree with Keyshawn that the first two championships were because of defense and running game more than Brady. Having said that I can't discount the 500 yd game against Philly in a loss and the fact Eli won in a last minute drive twice with all-time plays. Those losses are on the Patriots defense.
There is also the SB win against the Rams (2nd one) where Brady won thanks to the defense keeping the Rams at 3pts.
@tigera6 Did you not comprehend the 1st 2 championships the defense won. I gave the credit to the defense and run game like Keyshawn did in the video. The other 8 he played in though, that was all Tom Brady really. His losses weren't even his fault, against the Giants with 2 minutes left he was winning twice, the defense gave it up to Eli. Against Philly he threw for 500 yds, that was on Belichick benching their best corner and the hero of the Seattle superbowl Malcolm Butler. So yeah Mahomes has to win at least 5 before I entertain the thought, but Brady has 7 and did beat him head to head for one.
@@ianburns3358 I mean the one they won against Goff in 2018 season, you think Brady won that SB over the Patriots defense?
I mean couldn't you say the same thing for Mahomes then in his SBs? His defense held the 2nd best offense in ppg in 2019 to 20 points and got 2 INTs for a guy who only threw 13 INTs throughout the entire year. Mahomes also threw 2TDs:2INTs. Brady won a shootout against the Panthers in 2003 SB with 3TDs:1INT in that game. Also, who did Brady have for offensive talent compared to Mahomes?
Lol what delusion, Eli is one of only 2 QBs to ever win a SB w/ a team ranked lower in both offense & defense. Tom never won w/ a defense lower than 8th and had multiple 1sts. Those losses are entirely on Tom, he was going against an inferior defense and couldn’t break 20’
My God, can we go ONE day without comparing Mahomes to Brady?? And now Mahokes new contract is another excuse???
Brady is the GOAT and thats that. Mahomes isn't gonna have Kelce long enough to surpass Bradys rings. Mahomes body is highly unlikely to last long enough given his physical style of play. Brady played TWENTY TWO seasons!! Mahomes isn't lasting that long. Brady won BEFORE he had Gronk m, BEFORE he had Edelman. I get it that people like the nerfball style of football that Mahomes plays, but it isn't sustainable to surpass Brady as the GOAT. sorry to break it to you kids
I agree with you @willi680 I don’t think anyone will ever pass Brady.
people aren't even gonna include the case that maybe mahomes doesn't even wanna play into his 40s. Brady has been able to elevate average receivers and won superbowls with them. Mahomes look human right now with his current receivers.
@@nathanielcranshaw7839I didn't think anyone would pass Montana but Brady immediately did I don't think his record lasted 10 - 15 years
Well to you he will never be 😂
Bujt... but... I thought it was the easiest era for QB's!
Patrick Lavon Mahomes II can do things on the field that David Copperfield can't even do performing magic tricks.That's my guy,and he's gonna beat the 49'ers this year for another Superbowl.
Brady career is the better story, from underdog late round pick to system QB, to growing into an elite quarterback to master the position that dominated football for 2 decades
Kinda like a script
Totally different question
I can agree with this.
The Tom Brady story is definitely the more unreal story.
Mahomes is a phenom and the son of a major athlete(his father was a fairly accomplished mlb pitcher)
Brady is more self made and certainly was not an athletic phenom....😊
Also not to take anything from Mahomes because Brady also benefits from joining a Bill Belichick led team, but getting Andy Reid, a certifiable offensive genius(in my view) as his first head coach/offensive coordinator, made his transition to the nfl a whole lot easier.
I'm not sure any other head coach gets this production from Mahomes?
Love the Mahomes story but the Brady story is pure fantasy!
This show is better with this format I really enjoy listening to Sherman
I’m 27 years old I’ve never seen MJ play, and he’s the best ever to do it.
I hated Jordan.. he was the best 💯
Tom went to Tampa as a 42 year old man to prove that he was not a system quaterback and won the superbowl. I think Pat needs to do something similar, he needs to ultimately leave KC and do it somewhere else when he gets older like Peyton and Tom.
Go watch that playoff run where Brady threw 3 picks in 2 games b4 superbowl .. and then go watch the flags flying for brady while mahomes ran for his life making incredible throws that ofcourse all his players drop .. mahomes is alrdy the goat
bailed by his defense in the conference championship game like always, mahomes will never have that luxury
@kalix975 preach
He also had a lot of pieces on that team that he wanted. It's not like he just went to a bad team.
@davidb_134 Brady threw 3 picks only in the NFC Championship. The other playoff games, he threw 0 pick. Most of the flags thrown in SB were justified because KC was imploding.Even if there was no flags, KC still would have scored 0 touchdowns because Mahomes instinct was to run first, pass later.
Shermans face when Skip said swallow it. Pause.
He did not have to do that to Sherman 😂😂😂😂
Tom brady also owns the record for most regular season wins, playoff wins, completions, yards, and touchdowns, to name a few. Also 7 superbowl wins.. no Patrick mahomes wont pass him as the GOAT unless he wins the the Superbowl every other year for the next 12 years (making 8 to pass). And to catch Brady in passing stats Mahomes would have to average over 5,000 yards and 38 passing touchdowns for the next 12 years straight, assuming no injuries, and that he plays until he is 40 without any decline.
Precisely. The amount of time it takes averaging top tier stats to eclipse Tom is absurd and likely never to be done. A 5,000 yard season has been done 15 times ever. To pass Tom one has to averaged that for just shy of 18 years. Mahomes is more talented by far but eclipsing all Tom did thanks to his absurd longevity just isn’t likely by anybody so I’m not going to worry about anybody being seen as above him.
Mahomes orient have to do that.
Impossible. Unlike LeBron and Jordan, Mahomes and Brady played each other in the 2 biggest games. Mahomes lost both times. This debate is over before it begins. Mahomes won't sniff 7 rings either
dumb logic
Yeah this is a terrible argument ngl. Eg Jordan never beat Larry Bird in the playoffs, even one game, despite playing in multiple series. Does that make Bird the goat now? This just isn't how team sports work lol
@@the_cogito5170 Bird isn't even in the GOAT debate, stop it. Brady is already the GOAT. If Jordan beat Lebron in the finals everyone and their momma would be saying Jordan is the GOAT no debate
@@lalox6472"Bird isn't even in the GOAT debate" might be one of the dumbest sports takes I've ever heard 😂😂
@@markengelmeyer1467 Nobody considers Bird the goat so what are u on about? Yes he's a legend but the GOAT? Nah, lets be real now.
Sherman brings so much to the show. Skip is lucky
Patrick Mahomes is Kobe Bryant of the NFL 🏈.
Think more like curry, more flashy not a replica of the person he dreamed of being like mj was to Kobe
another important question is ‘can anyone age like brady did’ …i don’t see mahomes aging THAT well
Nobody will.
Yeah but if he gets 5 Rings and 5 MVPs by 38 will it matter?
@@timocruz510yea he’s gotta get ATLEAST 5 rings n 4 reg season mvps to really entertain the GOAT convo cuz ain’t NOBODY getting 7 damn rings again 🥴
Mahomes is my favorite player ever and is the BEST DAMN QB I’ve ever seen, but I would be lying if I said Brady wasn’t the goat and it’s not even remotely close yet
from 12:15-12:21 can we get a big PAUSE 😂😂😂😂😂
Yeah dat Tuck Rule fumble was Super clutch I can dig it!!
This show lit
Thing about Brady is that he has won with so many different kinds of teams and coordinators. Being as good as he was with a revolving door of players because Bill focused the team's resources on defense and special teams is not easy. Like even with Andy Reid's schemes I don't think I see Mahomes turning two QBs turned slot receiver (Amendola, Edelman) and a laxbro (Hogan) as his deep threat to come back from 28-3 in a super bowl.
Brady won with other teams because they stacked up that buccaneers team that year and brought his TE to the team. It's not like he went to a team that was a bad team. Just like labreon. Chiefs weren't stack like that especially the defense.
Sure, But ATLs defence was pretty trash and Tom gifted them a pick 6. Gotta give credit to the Pats defence to holding a 33 ppg offence to 21 total points and 0 points for the 20-25 minutes of the game so that comeback could actually happen, can't come back if the other team keeps scoring.
I could NEVER see a chiefs defence doing that, and Pat has played great defences in every Superbowl.
Just like Pat.After his first they lost ton players and good ones like Hill and yet he still got it done.
@@hinata365247dude stop it😂 Mahomes literally came into the league to Hill and Kelce who were both first team all pro receivers 😂. Yes Evans and Godwin are good receivers but they have never been first team all pro and they both have been second team all pro once, no one is taking them over Kelce and Hill. Add on Gronk was way past his prime so let’s not act like it was prime Gronk, Ab was past his prime as well and literally missed more games then he played. The Buccaneers were a bad team. Just because you have two good receivers doesn’t automatically make you a good team. Good teams don’t have losing seasons and that’s a fact.
@timocruz510 Patrick Mahomes has been borderline mediocre to below average in his 3 Superbowl performances.
Brady vs Mahomes first 3 Super Bowls: 👀
Brady: 3-0 record, 735 yards, 7.2 Y/A
6-1 TD-INT, 22 offensive PPG, 22.3 defensive PPG, 2X SBMVP
Mahomes: 2-1 record, 738 yards, 6.2 Y/A
5-4 TD-INT, 23.3 offensive PPG, 21.3 defensive PPG, 2x SBMVP
I can't believe virtually everyone gives Mahomes a slide for the SB he got embarrassed and exposed in. Brady faced some insane pass rush against those Giants teams as well, but he was at least able to put up a touchdown
Mahomes was playing behind and injury plagued offensive line and was also suffering from the after effects of an injury he suffered in the Divisional Round. Kansas City beat Tampa Bay earlier that year and Mahomes absolutely shredded their defense. I have no doubt that if he had an actual offensive line and was perfectly healthy, that game would’ve gone down a whole lot differently.
@@VoodooChild2003 He won in the AFC championship game with the injury and had more time to rest. He didn't make that excuse so u shouldn't be either. The man ran 500 yds scrambling, and threw some great balls, he was not that injured to not even score a TD. He wasn't good enough to beat Tampa's gameplan, just face it. Burrow lit teams up with a horrendous O-line and probably less offensive weapons. Nobody on the Bengals offense is better than Tyreek or Kelce
Because it's never Mahomes "fault" lol
Skip blended in at the Snow game and that’s why Keyshawn didn’t see him 😂🤣
In a capped sport you cant have your cake and eat it too. You cannot have a top 10-5 defense if you have multiple weapons on offense. When Brady won his first 3 he did it without a hall of fame WR or Hall of fame RB. Aikemen had a great Defense in the 90s and had a hall of fame WR and RB... Those teams were so good that he won it in blowout fashion... Brady was in a shootout with Deon Branch and David Givens against Carolina. Played with less early on and won when the game was on the line. Once he got real weapons he was an MVP caliber QB every year. Then In his 40s he got to play in an era where QBs can do what ever they want and put up better numbers in his last 5 years than any 5 year period of his career. Mahomes was shutout of the endzone in a superbowl. Mahomes Won the Coin toss in overtime and lost at home, by throwing a pick at home. They both benefited from a Great Head Coach. Mahomes is amazing and has had the hottest start to a Career we have ever seen. We will see what the next 10 years will bring. So many QBs have retired before 35 let alone 45. If Mahomes plays til 40 he has a chance. If he retires at 35 and only has 3 superbowls no way. But Right now he is the Best in the league and I would love to see where he ends up.... But Brady has 2 separate Dynasties winning 3 out of 4 to start his career and 3 of 5 to win at the end of his career in New England. And went to 2 in the middle when they were "rebuilding". Oh and won a superbowl in his 3rd decade for good measure on a new team. Winning a superbowl in 3 different Decades and to have 2 dyansties like Brady is why he is so amazing.
And the two Giant Super Bowls he lost due to miracle catches. He also lost a prime season in 2008 to a torn ACL. They were favored to win the Super Bowl that year.
@@GameTime-yj6qv Eli played well enough to win! Did he carry the team no. Did he make plays when he had to absolutely! And those catches are improbable. The pats also won 2 Superbowls in addition those two where a crazy catch was made. Julio’s catch was nuts and the off the shin catch in the Seahawks Super Bowl. Both were crazy but the pats figured it out
Brady won all his chips with a top 5 defense. Skip is crazy
Brady won his first three Superbowls without hill and Kelce or an offensive coach. Patriots we're losing bill first year and 0 and 2 his second year Brady comes in and the rest is history.
Mahomes....its too early. Lets she how he ages. When he's older and how he deals with not being an athletic young talent. He's Roy Jones right now....and he grow into a Bernard Hopkins.....if he does.....he's the GOAT
Why is chorus on this audio? 🤔
Sherm wanted to say pause so bad lmao
Mahomes needs 5 more rings, 3 more SB MVPs, 1 more MVP, 3 more All Pro teams and like 60,000 more pass yards and 400 more pass TDs just to match what Brady did.
It’s gonna be a challenge.
Rodgers>Brady
@@tonypreston7278you bugging…
He can do it
He doesn’t need 5 more rings in my opinion. His stats will be better he has to do things Brady hasn’t done he’s already got the mvp and the Super Bowl in the same season somethin Brady hasn’t done. I believe if he either has an undefeated season and win the SB and/or win 3 in a row. And has 5 rings and the stats are substantially better than Brady he’ll be the goat! Also gotta point out chiefs never had a defense Brady had! I have Brady as the goat for now but in 10 years I believe it’ll be Brady you know but I respect where you’re coming from!!
He don’t need 7 rings in my opinion I say 3 more rings and another 2 mvps, and break a passing record or two. He doesn’t have to match Brady rings to be the greatest imo.
Mahomes can but we said the same thing about Rodgers and Favre
Mahomes isn’t really close right now but he can definitely pass him with maybe 2 MVPS and 3 to 4 more rings
i agree but thing is mahomes has alr passed favre and rodgers and he hasn’t hit his 30s .. he somewhere around 3-5 all time and as a chiefs fan i can’t wait to see how thing unfold. that being said brady is undoubtedly the goat
As a CHIEFS FAN, I don't see mahomes winning 7. But, maybe 2 more.
As a chiefs fan rn I can only picture mahimes with max 4 but surely 3 SB there's a lot of competition but for sure he'll be dominant for the decade until 2030 great team with a lot of opportunity
Mahomes is having the Career Aaron was supposed to have.
@@desireerdawson933you know as a chiefs fan I think he can IF we can get the right pieces for him a great defense finally not just an okay one, great receivers (fingers crossed for Justin Jefferson or Tee Higgins) I think we definitely can do it more times.
mahomes had kelce and hill. 2 sure fire HOF and Andy Reid a coach who had gone to the super bowl. Also, the rams offense was playing without Gurley, who had gotten hurt and basically never recovered and is out of the league. That wasnt the sames rams offense that played all year.
Am I the only one that thinks skip sounds like maury on the outro of the video?😂😅
Skip didn't go crazy for Brady like he used to when Shannon was on. He doesn't want to lose these guys either.
He’s retired not playing anymore
To say Peyton Manning isn’t in the discussion is a wild take by Keyshawn Johnson.
He broke the passing TD record twice with two different teams and won two out of four super bowls. Took two different teams to the Super Bowl twice.
i love peyton but he isn’t .. 2-2 in the super bowl and 1 sb mvp .. imo his postseason success is what takes him out of the convo .. even in his last superbowl he wasn’t the reason they won that game
The disrespect to Peyton has been real since 2018 when mahomes came into the league. I feel bad for Peyton that people are so quick to forget his greatness. I’m a pats fan and will easily say Peyton was the second best qb I’ve ever seen.
@@amadorluis2008
That’s wild. Then we might as well throw Terry Bradshaw in there.
Took 4 differnt coach’s to the superbowl
@@amadorluis2008still has as many rings as Mahomes, and he did with two different coaches, different teammates, different franchises. So thats more impressive.
This new setup is extremely natural and smooth
The audio sounds kind of bad?
I'd say Brady is the goat because of the 7 rings, but also in having 3 seperate hall of fame careers in one career. He's at the top in all stat categories too.
career 90 rating in the playoffs, overrated stats on a per game basis, 18 top 10 defences in his 21 year career and never won a SB w/o a top 8 defence. The more you look at it, the more the 7 SBs make sense
@@timocruz510It's funny because EVERY QB in history that won Super Bowl also had great defenses there, genius. And user passer rating is about the stupidest thing a fan could do, it's a useless stat that doesn't take into account alot of things.
@@israelp348 It's flawed but ain't useless, TD/INT ratio matters, Completion percentage, yards per attempt matters lol. I get that in like a 4-5 game sample passer rating isn't great, but over the course of 30-40 games it tells a tale lmao.
Mahomes has won his SBs w/o a top 10 defence and they just gave up 35 in a SB he won lmao. Do you even remember Brady's first run? When he got knocked out in the AFC Champ Game and the Pats needed two Troy Brown Miracles?
I think Tom is great but to think Pat just has no chance is ludicrous lol. MJ was by far the best statistical player of the modern era (tho Jokic creeping) and has the Rings. Tom isn't, simple as that.
Brady and mahomes have losses in the SB they cant be the Goat
Mahomes had future hof TE, WR, and a head coach who was already very successful before him. Yes I know Reid didn’t win a super bowl before Mahomes but he led the Eagles to 1 and multiple trips to the conference championship game.
Brady on the hand had no elite WR and TE in his first 3 trips to the super bowl and had an overrated coach who’s never even coached in the conference championship game and only made 1 playoff appearance before letting Brady play.
Complete BS whenever media says that Brady had more help in his first few Super Bowls.
Brady had elite defenses and great offensive lines. Mahomes defenses his first 5 seasons were bottom of the league in almost every category. That kind of matters lol
Brady had the greatest coach of all time combined with a dominant defense. He didn’t even win Super Bowl MVP 2 of his first 3 super bowls lmao
This doesn’t work when we watched those games too bro. The stats and eye test both point to the defense putting him in position to succeed early. He was always clutch tho, I’ll give him that
Key tripping saying Peyton not one of them ones. And the Andy Reid disrespect needs to stop. The man makes qb wherever he's been.
Brady was drafted at 199 and won in his first year, its already over for mahomes
Brady didn’t start his rookie year
@@IAMCOREYCASH obviously I mean the year he started playing
Dirty secret about the Pats / Seahawks Super Bowl is that Tom Brady and Edelman owned that defense. Wilson threw an awful pick, but they lost that game because the defense wasn't better than the Pats offense. Period.
Exactly Keyshawn acting like Brady didn’t throw 4 touchdowns and there weren’t a lot of teams back in the day scoring 4 touchdowns in the air over the legion of boom…. Still can’t believe he’s sitting next to Richard Sherman and just blamed him blatantly for giving Tom a ring… again acting like Tom didn’t throw 4 touchdowns and acting like Sherman was on offense or something?? What an idiot.
@@patriot459exactly, at the time it was the largest 4th quarter come from behind win in Super Bowl history.
@@patriot459Keyshawn is big time Brady hater
The part I see no conversations about it, its the freaking magician catch the Seahwaks receiver did and that was the whole reason the ball was put on the red zone before the int.
Idk about OWNed, but they played really good, and in the end game was won by the defense
Mahomes is on pace so I wouldn’t put it pass him but he would have to play well into his 40’s
Patrick Mahomes is never getting eight Super Bowls
@@mikewaters4363 never say never
sherm caught a stray LOLOL
Also Elway should be in discussion
Brady is the best QB of all time in my book and always will be.
Not only does he have 7 rings but he’s beat some of the all time great teams to get them like the greatest show on turf St. Louis Rams, the McNabb led Eagles and the Chiefs just to name a few.
How many points did he put up in those superbowl games you mentioned?
You mean his defense beat those great offenses. His kicker won those games, if you look at this stats in the playoffs against top 12 defenses are trash. He did great against the hawks but their #2 corner broke his arm and let’s be honest if they ran it that would be a different discussion. Bro had like 2 passing touchdowns in 3 playoff games in his first Super Bowl.
The mcnabb eagles are you high?😂😂😂 mcnabb puking on the field T.O chasing home up and down the sidelines screaming at him and Owens had broken his leg before that SB 😂
Let’s not forget the chiefs with no offensivel line😂
28-3 enough said….
12:08 Skip Baylee’s “Just take it! Just take it! Suck it up, swallow it!” Aaayyyyoooo… Richard Sherman face. 😂
Killing his own argument it's hard to win one he says that's right and Brady won 7 and went to 10 until Patrick wins 7 I don't want to hear it
It’s almost like there’s more to analyzing a qb than using rings to gatekeep🤡🤡🤡
It'S almost like people were sayijng the same when Brady had 3 SB's and Joe 4@@babiesrabies888
So according to your "rings" logic: Bill Russell is better than Michael Jordan??? Henri Richard is better than Wayne Gretzky??? Eli Manning is better than Dan Marino??? Really???
No, you analyze the overall body of work and then if one has more rings, he wins. Simple@@abc_12333
Surprised Sherm didn't day pause at 12:06
Do people not understand Mahomes play style will not last by the time he’s in his mid 30s he heavily relies on his ability to move outta the pocket and as he gets older that will go away
That’s what I’m saying,
It does, but Mahomes does recognize that and is working on staying in the pocket more. KC also knows this and that's why the make the OL a priority. Mahomes isn't a running QB nor is he fast on his feet. He is, however, becoming a master at recognizing when to run forward to take off and when to jet side to side to find the open man. He clearly rather pass the ball than run.
@@alexgomez4401 I don’t think u quite understand what I said. I’m saying the best part of his game that makes him elite is his ability to buy time for his receivers by running out the pocket. That mobility will slow down with age
@@Guya13, that’s kinda obvious
@@derekmathews1557 considering people are talking like hes gonna be like Rodgers in his late 30s i say it isn't obvious to most people
It’s crazy because Skip was the only one who said he liked KC drafting Mahomes Shannon & CC said they didn’t like Mahomes because “the cookie not ready yet”
Exactly, he was a good college prospect but not the more looked after and definitely not lebronjamesque as a Richard Sherman says
Difference between this debate and LeBron vs Jordan is we never saw/will see Jordan vs LeBron in a game let alone a finals, we saw Mahomes vs Brady and Brady won case close tbh
Brady also beat Mahomes in a AFC title game in Kansas City where everyone predicted the Chiefs to win
Lamar is 2-0 Vs Brady’s
Head to head discussions makes no sense in a football discussion imo. They don't play against each other like they do in basketball. Brady did better against the Chiefs defense than Mahomes did against Brady's teams defense.
@boogidwnej179 were those in the super bowl or afc championship game?
Eli is 2-0 over Brady in SB
Skip say field goal kickers impacting football games is so frustrating but never acknowledges brady comebacks are normally always capped by a fg not a td that the kicker actually had to drill incredible
Which is VERY true. A lot of New England's Super Bowl wins came down to the kicker winning it for them. But that fact is never brought up as a strike against Brady, by those who use his number of rings as a trump card against Mahomes.
@@Kanfachan because in those games Brafy still had to get them in position to even get the fgs. Also if those fgs are missed the Patriots don’t automatically lose, they still would’ve went to overtime and had the chance to win.
I dont care what anybody thinks I think Skip is a legend. But i do hope his "just take it, take it, suck it up and swallow it" line becomes a meme lmao
only time will tell. enjoyng his greatness now
How come Brady’s “pandemic”SB chip is legitimate but LeBron’s “bubble” chip isn’t 🤔Can somebody ask Skip plz.
Good point. I think Lambeau field had more ppl 2 hours before kickoff in 1953 than they did for the NFC championship game!
Easy. The NFL didn't have a 4 month break before the playoffs started and they also had to travel
For me the best qb I've ever seen was Marino and he don't have any
GOAT discussions are nothing more than personal opinions, it’s really about the best of their generation as the game always changes
Key never fails to amaze me when it comes to not knowing what he's talking about. The Patriots had a great defense in the early 2000's, but don't just discredit what Brady did.
Some people like to say that the early 2000's Patriots teams were carried by their defenses. From 2001-2006, the Patriots only had 1 WR/TE with a 1,000+ yard season. During that time, Brady had the 3rd highest passing yardage in the NFL, and led the league in passing yards in 05. He also was 3rd in TD passes from 01-06, and led the league in TD passes in 02. We also can't forget how clutch Brady was on the playoffs during these years. Doesn't sound like a guy that was carried by a defense. The Patriots didn't start to build a real offense around Brady until 2007. And we all know what happened that season.
Then this guy wants to talk about how the Seattle Superbowl was "gift wrapped" like Brady and the Pats didn't pick apart the best defense in the league, lol. But when it comes to Mahomes it's all "well if so and so wasn't off sides and oh if the defense wasn't hurt". This guy is the worst.
As far as Mahomes goes, he is the best QB in the league and has been for a few years. He's not close to passing Brady, but he's off to as good a start as you can probably have. Dude has balled out. But it's also hard to compare the 2 because Brady started playing in a completely different era also. I don't think Mahomes would have to equal Brady in Superbowls, but Brady's greatness goes further than the Superbowls.
I think Keyshawn was spot on, not discrediting brady. However, this is a comparison. Those early Patriot defenses: 2001- 6th ranked defense; 2003- 1st ranked defense; 2004- 4th ranked defense and too add in 2014- 8th ranked and 2016- 1st ranked. Meanwhile Mahomes in his 2 superbowl wins: 2019- 14th ranked defense, 2022: 16th ranked defense. If you can't appreciate the discrepancy there and why it's an important distinction in the comparison your bias is clouding your goggles.👀👀
You tool all this space to tell us Keyshawn don't know what he's asking about and regurgitate his comments dmh
Key was in the league in his prime during the early Brady years, so he saw all the scouting reports
Brady threw 1 Td the entire postseason for his first ring. And for 50% of his afccg he threw for 1-2 Td int ratio with a 60 psr. Mahomes as a qb is better.
@@namaj3122 only place Patrick Mahomes better than Tom Brady is in a parallel universe
We are definitely going to get there restructure contract means more weapons. He just getting started 🏆🏆🧘🏾♂️2 MVP’s with 2 superbowl MVP’s
Lol why key do rich like that in the beginning tho lmao 😅
“Tuesday morning troll meeting.”
“I’ll troll Patrick Mahomes.”
Skip gayness