Mahomes wins Super Bowl & 2nd SB MVP: How much has he closed the gap with Brady? | NFL | UNDISPUTED
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- Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs defeated the San Francisco 49ers to win Super Bowl LVIII. The win gives Mahomes his 3rd Super Bowl and his 2nd Super Bowl MVP. Skip Bayless, Michael Irvin and Richard Sherman decide if Mahomes is closing in on Brady’s title as the GOAT.
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Bayless is a prisoner of revisionist history. Vinateiri deserved MVP of the first two Patriot Super Bowls. The Falcons AND the Seahawks chokes deserve MVP of one Super Bowl each. That leaves Brady with three - THREE - Super Bowl wins where it isn't necessarily easy to point at a different player or a weird situation as the reason for a player's individual Super Bowl "success."
Just think if Mahomes was on the Cowboys would skip love him 😅😅😅
Sit Down Richard Sherman! When you try me with some sorry facts like Sherman we tell em to sit down!!!!
Exactly. According to Bayless… no one can surpass MJ or Tom Brady.
Even if Mahomes wins the same 7 rings and does the 1st 3peat in Football just because Mahomes loss to Tom Brady.
So do we consider Eli Manning better than Tom because Tom never beat Eli in the SB? Absolutely not, it’s ridiculous 😂
We need to.give shout out to Andy Reid. ❤
Arm talent of Aaron Rodger’s and the clutch ability of Brady is a scary thing
Brady clutched on him tho
@@itsjason8097I think that will be what keeps him from the Goat debate!
@@ricocameron2426Not really, mahomes is better at playing qb than brady.
No arm talent isnt close to Rodgers. Mahomes does have the total package tho
Rodgers Special teams and defenses have literally got him sent packing year after year
Mahomes could win 10 superbowls and Skip still would say Tom is the goat
No he wouldn't skip loves greatness... If Mahomes passed Brady... He would admit it...
He did the same thing with early Brady... Attacked his credentials, when people compared him to Montana... Wasn't until he truly started coming close to Montana that he gave him all the credit...
His favorite players are Jordan and Brady..
The moment sometime passes them, they will become his favorite player too..
Mahomes has to do a lot more still to come near Brady... Let alone pass him..
Let's just say he's on right trajectory...
But 3 titles and 2 MVPs does not make the GOAT
Until Mahomes wins 6 rings with 6 game winning drives, and then goes to Tampa in a Covid year and no training camp and wins another, he won’t be better.
@@julianmayo5650 but he’s more “goat” than majority of the quarterbacks that you and majority of fans think are better than Mahomes ! Lamar, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Hurts, Dak, Cousins, Purdy 💀 all these guys are NOBODY compared to Mahomes yet you guys wanna crown them every year. Nobody is better than Mahomes, meek hating.
Nah, if Mahomes passes Brady, he becomes the goat. But the thing people forget is that Tom Brady has 7 Superbowl rings. SEVEN!! That’s 2.3 times as many as Mahomes. AND Brady beat Mahomes in a Superbowl. People seem to forget about that. Look, Mahomes is a beast. And the best quarterback in the league. No questions. But he’s not the goat…..yet. He’s definitely on a trajectory to be the goat. But he’s not yet. Once he passes Tom , he then becomes the goat.
If he gets 5 I'm putting him in the conversation. He will match Montana
Patrick Mahomes first 6 seasons:
6 AFC titles
4 Super Bowl appearances
3 Super Bowl titles
3 Super Bowl MVPs
2 NFL MVPs
2 5,000 yard passing seasons
50 TD passes
3 All Pros
6 Pro Bowls
And he’s only 28
Sounds impressive to me and hes only gonna add to that resume
5 afc titles. 6 appearances
You need to revise your stat line
@@person-ce8cr No, 4 AFC titles.
I'm not the best at stats. I know Brady has shattered just about everything out there. I saw him in Ten SB's. I don't agree with these guys. Mahomes now has three!! And he's only a quarter into his career. Seven is very possible,with this guy. And I'll be the 1st to say, very well deserved. He's just that friggin amazing!! 🏈🏆🏆🏆
Mahomes is the perfect storm of a QB: he brings you the stats of Marino & Peyton, the winning of Montana & Brady, the clutchness of a Elway & Brady, the highlight worthy plays of an Aaron Rodgers, the mobility of a Steve Young, the toughness & arm talents of Favre.
He IS the guy, and he’s going to be THE guy for the next 8-10 years probably.
Great comment!
White and black
Elway was not clutch, complete opposite actually
Clutchness of Elway..?
I'm a Patriots fan, and a Brady fan. But I always love watching Mahomes, and the Chiefs. He's the greatest talented QB, I've ever seen. I said we'd never see a Belichick, Brady again. But we're seeing just that. You can't be jealous of someone's greatness. Mahomes deservers to be respected by any real football fan! 🏆🏆🏆🏈
you were born in 2010
I agree. Mahomes is "that guy" and he's already solidified top 3 All time imo and has alot of football left.
Did you miss Aaron Rodgers my friend 2011 is the best QB season I've ever seen the throws he was routinely making I have never seen
Love and respect bro I’ll tell him u said it
@@kingthlaroonth1 season doesn’t solidify it. Mahomes 6 year run solidifies he’s the greatest talent
All I know is Patrick Mahomes has always been the main catalyst for the 3 super bowls they have won
So did Brady, including 6 game winning Super Bowl drives
The catalyst last night was a muffed punt
That’s literally all I know. When Brady threw interceptions and lost super bowls it was always belichick’s fault or the defenses fault.
@@GameTime-yj6qvBrady was not the first 3 sb
@@duvaltilwedie904 no, it was the defense fault that they couldn't stop Eli twice at the end of two Super Bowls or Nick Foles for an entire Super Bowl.
Listening to Sherman trying to find any little thing to discredit Mahomes is hilarious 😂
That’s not what he’s doing that’s skip LOL
Discredit how ? By saying Tom Brady is still the best to ever do it
You just sound salty
cause mahomes beat him 😂😂
@@petecolon162bc he basically saying he has to get to 7. That’s why Micheal brought up Jordan and bill russell.
Sherman is a hater he will never admit it he beat him sometimes you have to deal with it
Why does it seem like Skip and Sherm are just trying to find any way to kinda discredit Patrick Mahomes at every turn? 😂
Cuz mahomes dethroned shermans 49ers twice and skip knows mahomes is on pace to challenge brady for the greatest qb of all time title
They made valid points. Mahomes is the best of this generation, but hold your horses before you put him past Montana or compare him to Brady
Becsuse mahomes is already declining, Brady was getting better year after year
@@brianhenry7983 Mahomes is in no way declining. Idk what you’re watching. Saying a guy that just won his 3rd Super Bowl and 2 back to back is declining is crazy. 😂
@@JD-ge9eb he's gotten incredible lucky and has been carried by his defense the last couple years. He's basically just a game manager nowadays who rides his defense. Without the best defense in the game mahomes can't win because his avengers aren't there or are about to retire. He's gonna get exposed as the fraud goat next year and every year after
Yes patrick is closing the gap
Foreal
Hes got 5 more to go let’s talk about this when pat gets 5
Not even close
To Montana
@@dylanallen5653that’s wrong he’s definitely getting there but he still has a way to go
This is his 3rd Super Bowl MVP. The title says his 2nd Super Bowl MVP.
2 regular season mvps
@@mylessmith8059 Ok yea I guess they just made a minor mistake tho cuz the title says 2nd SB MVP
Stick Mahomes on a half decent team, and he'll bring the Lombardi home... who cares about whether he's recognised as the GOAT... he's a beast.
@@taykitrleevitt4314nah he is an Andy Reid product
@@tylers9476why Andy ain’t win with McNabb? What about Vick? Or Alex Smith? Andy coached 17 years y’all ain’t never put him as a GOAT coach. He plays 6 years with Mahomes and we are like oh Andy the GOAT LMAO
Hes getting there thats for damn sure ....Mahomes is in a league of his own right now
Brady played against harder competition
@@thereallegendarygaming1807not a team full of all-pros, 2 inside backers, great D-Line that consist of Hargreaves, Chase Young, Nick Bosa, n Armstead, with Ward on the backend, the 49ers team was designed n put together to try n beat Pat, they went in got McCaffrey, literally they was suppose to win, all that Cap n not win the big 1
Mos' Def'!!!!...the 1st 6 yrs of ones career, who is better?!!!!!
@@thereallegendarygaming1807all pat need is time, Brady got 7, Pat got 3 before the age of 30, better hope he don’t catch Brady
@@ItsKillaBouiethe 49ers have been overrated all year ! We ALL know Shanahan loses the big one , 0-3.
Michael Irvin sounds like he had alittle bit of whiskey before the show started 😂
Sometime it’s almost like listening to Biden talk about football
Cte
It’s always funny when you 🐦 🧠 miss a point lmao and think you’re the smart guys 😂
LMFAO 😂😂😂
He makes it borderline unwatchable 😅. Cutting everyone off
Skip is so nervous right now 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Mahomes with 3 super bowls at age 28, he knows it’s only a matter of time 🤣🤣🤣
Brady had 3 at 27
Mahomes is declining, Brady was getting better 😂
Time will tell. For all we know this could be Patrick Mahomes last super bowl appearance or victory.. I doubt itll be his last but we'll have to see how the rest of his career plays out.
@Doooooooo depends how long they can keep the band together
@@bern717brady had 0 league mvps at 27 and only 2 sb mvps st 27 mahomes has 2 of each and a third sb mvp at 28. Better stats in every facet and his playoff record is just as good. Mahomes is on pace to pass brady.
“Look at that pouch and look at what he’s doing”😂😂 18:30
Hilarious😂
RIP Hoang Bi
Facts lol
Lol there's a few new ones but they always have some weird person at the end cursing you for being a westerner
How am I even supposed to know the video is over if I don’t don’t hear Chinese at the end smh
bruh lmao@@GeminiMaddnezz864lyfe
Omggg did he die?
Patrick is 28 with 3 Super Bowl rings
When Brady won his 1st 3 Super Bowls he was 27
@@FloRiva2Brady also wasn’t the main catalyst in the first three super bowls
@@FloRiva2Brady didn’t have any MVPs or first team all pros tho by that age
@@FloRiva2 and Adam Vinatieri kicked TWO game wining field goals, let’s not forget that.
Not true, Brady was the MVP for 2/3 in those first three Super Bowls, not sure where you got that idea from...
Skip gonna credit Brady for Dee Ford being offside....
Gronk dropped the ball… excuses both ways
@@dylanallen5653 The INT still would have literally given the chiefs the victory and sent them to the SB. It was that close to Mahomes beating Brady.
@@Riles3152 would have could have . He didn’t beat him
@@dylanallen5653Just like Tom Brady didn’t beat Eli or Nick Foles in the Super Bowl
You can disect so many plays in each big game for any player you want.
If Mahomes retired today at 28, he'd get into the HoF. He still possibly has another 8+ years to play barring any crazy injuries. He's already one of the best to ever play the QB position and he's only 28. That's just awesome.
I'm glad Mike the only one being honest lol
Skip is visibly choking on his Mahomes hate and I am HERE FOR IT 🤣
Skippy is visibly Choking on his HATRED! He can’t stand the thought of Mahomes being on par with Tommy! Makes Skippy drop his PACIFIER into his DIAPER! Waaa!!
Mahomes is the new face of football!!! He doesnt have 7 rings but he's only 4 away 😤🔥🔥
That is quite hard to get to…
He has more rings than lamar, Josh allen, and Joe burrow will probably have combined when they end their season lol
True. He is. But he’s not the goat. Brady got 2.3 times as many superbowl rings AND he smashed Mahomes in a Superbowl 31-9. That being said, Mahomes is the best quarterback in the game currently. That’s undisputed. Can he become the goat? Yeah, most certainly. But until he gets 7 or more rings…he ain’t the goat.
And lost to Tom Brady twice in the playoffs!!! Good luck though!!!
@@Wargasm54 Brady played 17 more seasons than Mahommes currently
Did y’all really just click bait us with Keyshawn 👎🏾
6:45 Brady said "here here" to the Packers when he threw three second half interceptions at Green Bay in the 2020 NFC title Game, but Rodgers couldn't cash. I wonder why Skip doesn't bring that up. 🤫
Never brings up the horrible game against the Rams. 21-35, 263yrds, 1int. At least 3 of his wins were because of the defense.
Wasn’t ridgers - bucs d line carried Brady cs packers n chiefs - packers had injuries to bakht their best o line both mahomes n ridgers were running to survive
@@leramfreeman2950Brady had 2 games where he didn’t win sbmvp when the award is basically only given to qbs.
@@leramfreeman2950Try 4-5
@@leramfreeman2950 Mahomes won 2 because of the refs
Michael " look at that pouch and look at what he's doing"😂😂
Tom is The 🐐 it's not even a debate. Until someone can match SB wins, then you can debate.
What is TB12s Super Bowl record, 7 outta 10? Mahomes is 3 outta 4. Wonder how that’ll work out?
@@kennyhiggins7806lost to Brady in the Super Bowl and post season
Tom always had Gronk ?? He won 3/4 super bowls before Gronk , won in 2016 while Gronk was hurt
Sherman just hurt they lost again
@@29freshprinceyeah but he has gronk tho
@@teeluc6889 I thought 9ers had it in the bag with the 10 point lead and their squad but Mahomes is a game changer such a nail bitter SB
And BRADY ONE MORE WITH LESS THEN ANY Q.B. HE HAD A COACH THAT REFUSED TO GIVE HIM HIGH TALENTED PLAYERS VIA FREE AGENCY AND THE DRAFT. REMEMBER BELLICHEK WAS THE G.M AS WELL.
Mahomes will always be Mahomes. The Chiefs’ defense was the true game changer in this Super Bowl run. Read these stats if you seek truth.
Chiefs’ defense faced the #1, #2, #3, and #4 offenses in the NFL and 4 MVP Finalists.
- 15.7 PPG Allowed (5.5 PPG Allowed in 2nd halves)
- Didn't give up 25+ points in any game
- Held opponents to less than 20 regulation points in 3 out of 4 games
- Gave up one 4th qtr TD in 4 games
Richard is changing his tone about Patrick now because he beat his 9ners. He wasn't saying nothing like this before the Superbowl game
Lmao he salty cause PAT did him the same way his first superbowl when he was on 49ers
Pat beat his 49ers twice so now Sherman gotta result to the hate card
@@kevonsidek9737 lol and he was on the first time
Dam RICHARD i sense some Hateorade 😂😂
Been like that his whole career. Was never as good as revis. Couldntdo anything with him but throw him in the zone. And he lost his second ring and a chance at a dynasty cuz of the dumbest play in sports history
Skip feeling threatened 😂
Skip about to disrespect Micheal like he disrespected Shannon.
Skip be like I ruined my shoe for you Tom
Shannon was out of line for many shows until Skip checked him. Skip was right to get Shannon on board, but he also knew when to cut bait. I wish both Shannon and Skip the best going forward.
@@hume1234561 you clearly don’t watch the show Skip is always the one out of line
Skip is lucky Shannon didn't put hands on him. Shannon was the better analyst.
Irvin been smoking that pack
As a fan who has watched Mahomes from a freshman at Texas Tech... He was EXACTLY where he wanted to be on that last drive. THAT is what Patrick Mahomes LIVES for!
3 out of 4 SB wins, 3 SB MVPs without cheating, deflating footballs, a tuck rule, spying on opponents, deck stacked defenses and superteams, playing in a weak division, and getting bailed out three times by a Hall of Fame kicker, etc.
Lol Mahomes just won with a top 5 all time defense, got carried by a kicker who just hit the longest FG in SB history and also plays in a trash division
also like Skip said, Brady beat Maholmes in the superbowl.
Eli beat Brady twice, Fitzpatrick got his nickname off beating Brady 🤣🤣 so who’s really the goat?
Ahh the good ole low iq “hE cHeAtEd AnD gOt CaRriEd” excuse😂😂. You mind telling me what happened when brady and mahomes met in both the championship AND the superbowl. Who won those games again???🤔
@@that_onekatt BRADY FOR now.
When Skip doesnt want to give someone credit, or wont put someone past his GOATS (MJ and TB12), the arguments he makes seem so petty and trivial. If Patrick Mahomes or LBJ walked on water, Skip would argue its because they cant swim.
Because labeling someone a GOAT when they havent reached that status yet is annoying. Its an especially annoying new thing this generation of fans do. I mean people forget Montana even exists. Brady had to get 5 to finally get past Montana, and people are acting like he doesnt even exist for Mahomes at 3-1. Not only that, one of hte key factors in WHY Brady couldnt pass Montana at 4-2, is beceause he lost 2 and Montana was so lights out in his 4 wins. Mahomes has not looked lights out in his SB. Even last night, it was pretty poor showing until the last quarter of the game.
Let the guy earn the accolades before you give him the accolades. I expect Mahomes to win at least 5. Let him win the 5, and legit pass Montana before you start saying hes already better. Same goes for Brady's 7.
@ BlackSheep703...no...stop discrediting Tom while uplifting Mahomes...
it goes both ways...Mahomes is chasing Tom not the other way around...
... "the tail can't wag the dog"...Brady is the standard...to late now...
1000 championships won't matter...he's gone...he's ghost...you're
emphatically delusional...it's like..".the bully kicked you're keeysta,
and when he's outta sight you flex your muscles...
@@jbceedeez When did I discredit Tom? Stop assuming you know my opinion on the matter and give your head a wobble.
Get to 5 rings and we can start talking. Right now this would be easier if Brady wasn’t 2-0 against him in the playoffs. It’s like if Lebron straight up lost to jordan in the finals twice.
Lmao he lost to Brady his 1st year starter in OT in the afc championship because Dee ford jumped offsides .. and in Tampa machines whole O Line was hurt .. and he still played better than Brady lmaoo
@@Jaywon977the alarming stat from that game was that Mahomes had what? 500? Scramble yards ? Total? Cus the OLine was so demolished.
@@Njbear7453 and any qb could ve won with that team lmaooo mfs was stack just like how the SF is lmaoo TOM BRADY IS A GAME MANAGER… did he get mvp all his super bowls ? Did he ever beat manning ? Did he have a regular season mvp by the team belkicheck won 3 super bowls with him ? Lmaoooo BE FR
@@Jaywon977Tom did win an MVP
Qb never face.each other on the field, tho. Defense matters
Mahomes may not win 7 championships by the time his career is over, but if he wins 4 or 5 I think he should be considered the goat. He’s definitely the most talented to ever play QB.
He got smoked by the greatest in the Superbowl! Where was all the talent then?
@@1judauhngot smoked ? He had no o line they was all hurt and he still out played Brady and the first time Brady beat em was in afc championship over time only cause Dee ford jumped offsides for kc and that was his first year
@Slatt34567 Excuses is all you wrote.
History records what's in the win/loss column. People don't like excuses. L's are L's regardless.
Nah, 4-5 isn’t the goat. 7 is. Mahomes is amazing and the best QB in the league. He had the potential to be the goat. But if he wants to be better than Brady he needs 7 rings. Brady also beat him in the Super Bowl so there is that. I think 7 and smoking Brady in all stats is enough (and it he stays on his currently trajectory he will) let’s sit back and enjoy the ride and when he retires he can analyze if he he surpassed Brady
@@1judauhndamn, I must’ve missed Brady playing DE.
I know damn well sherman is not talking about balls that could have been picked off
Love watching Skip eat his double humble burger with 🍟😅
he picked the chiefs tho
@@davidto4964but he hates on mahomes
@@brandonjackson6323 only because he's getting close to his man crush brady. he praised the chiefs' draft pick at the start while others doubted him
Am I the only one who is aware that this is his 3rd Super Bowl MVP?
Brady didn’t always have gronk lol
Purdy had a whole roster sherm. And what he do when it was clutch time
Facts, weapons on weapons and still came up short but he’s young.
@@Sparkyxicy we gonna ignore the injuries and his horrible o line lol 😂😂
Exactly!!!!! Proves that he is not HIM. But PATRICK is
Pressure Purdy he falls apart.
I wish everyone stop trying to short change Brock last in the draft second yr and in another superbowl. Brock didn't lose this this young man took Patrick to the 12 round and his coach choked.
Brady never needed Gronk without him he has 5x pro bowl seasons. 1 unanimous NFL MVP award. 4 Super Bowl appearances with 3 wins and 2 Super Bowl MVP awards. He lead the league in passing yards and touchdowns twice, set the single-season record for most completions in a year and won the 2009 comeback player of the year award, finally what a lot of people forget is that, although rob did technically play for the 2016 Patriots he only played in 8 games that season and didn’t take a single snap in Super Bowl LI you know the time Brady came back down from 28-3. Now with all that being said can any Mahomes fan out there please list to me Patrick Mahomes accomplishments without Travis Kelce
He's 28 yrs young and all these accomplishments.
Irving is a prisoner of the moment
Facts
You and Bayless are prisoners of revisionist history. Vinateiri deserved MVP of the first two Patriot Super Bowls. The Falcons AND the Seahawks choking deserve MVP of one Super Bowl each. That leaves Brady with three - THREE - Super Bowl wins where it isn't necessarily easy to point at a different player or a weird situation as the reason for their individual Super Bowl "success."
@ThomasFromTN so mahomes didn't deserve the mvp of the super bowl against the eagles cause the kicker won the game so that would leave him with two super bowl wins and one mvp in the sb
@ThomasFromTN mahomes has been down in all three super bowl wins . Would the 49ers and eagles deserve the mvp as well for choking leads late in those games
@ThomasFromTN for vinateriri to be in a position to win those superbowls with a field goal doesn't someone have to put him in a position to be have an opportunity to kick those field goals 🤔🤔
Brady is the king of dinking and skip bringing up Mahomes lmaoo definition of moving the goal post
Mahomes is the king of doing that
Had Mahomes played the way that made you mas tur bate, he wouldn't have won the last SB.
Actually Joe Montana was the king of dinking and dunking in that west coast offense which operated on mostly short passes
Awesome show Skip. You have 3 winners and legends on your sides. One of the best shows in the world 🌎 👍✌️🇺🇸
Mahomes is that dude even with that shaky line...he just has that Championship mentality and the demonstration of his abilities he his given us is unmatched period!💯
Why aren’t we talking about a potential three-peat?
He could 3 Peat and they'll still find something to trash him on lol
Richard is short sighted, and trying to kiss up to Skip too much saying Tom is the best FOH
Tom gets the perfect ref calls😂
patrick mahomes use to play baseball so that accurancy and cannon arm he has with the football is art
At this point, Mahomes needs to go 20-0 to become the GOAT😅
Fortunately, that’s not possible since he’ll always have 31-9
@@bern717With that logic Tom Brady can’t be the GOAT because Both Eli (2x) and Nick Foles beat him in the Super Bowl
@@user-lt1fx2he5s Yeah, sure.. because Eli and Foles are in the discussion of “Greatest of all Time” 🙄 Mahomes is chasing Tom’s legacy. That’s who his rival is. The fact that Tom beat him head-to-head in the SB (I’m not even counting the AFCCG) tips the scale in Brady’s favour whether you like it or not. If you don’t believe me, Mahomes admitted it himself last night 🤷🏻♂️
The pills and alcohol don't mix Irving that man lit
😂lol former 🐄 cowboy 🤠
Losing to Brady in the Superbowl with no starting offensive linemen shouldn't hurt Mahomes in the goat conversation moving forward. Brady lost to Eli freaking Manning twice
Lost to the refs once. Eli was in the grasp on that insane pass. would have been over if officiated correctly
I hope Patrick passes them in Superbowls in less time then it’ll be no questions
Man mahomes was a BABY when he played Tom in that superbowl what year was he in year 2 year 3!?
He won mvp that year. Can’t have it both ways saying he’s mvp but also a baby
I think it was his third or fourth year
But he lost to him in his second year, first year as a starter in the AFC championship game
Tom also won as a “baby”
Tom was carried as a baby
Rip the OG Hoang Bi
I really like Mahomes. But we will never know how he or Brady would do against defenses back when they could literally hit you from any angle, high or low, in the knees, full speed blindsides, head shots, pile ons. Need I continue? Montana, Farve, Elway, Bradshaw, Stabauch, and more hall of fame/ Super Bowl champion QBs paid dearly with their bodies and brains and still succeeded. Therefore the term GOAT is misleading. Now the term “winningest" or “most" “skilled" or “strongest" arm or “most" “accurate” during any part of the Super Bowl era is about all that can be accurately measured. Bradshaw and Montana are 4-0 in the Super Bowl and they were knocked out of games multiple times, not to mention out for the season during their careers. Bradshaw’s is a career 14-5 in the post season including 4-0 in the Super Bowl… Montana is a career 16-7 in the post season, including 4-0 in the Super Bowl. Look up both mens injury history and ask yourself which of todays QBs would still be great after enduring such brutal hits.
Mahomes = The new NFL LeBron for Skip. He will hate him to eternity. 😂😂😂
Richard Sherman is so mad Mahomes beat the 49ers again that he's trying to discredit him now 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
😂 I agree 💯
What these people don't realize is QB is the rare position where the longer you play, the better you are because you've seen every d and know how to beat it. As long as you're still able to make the throws, an older QB is always going to have the advantage over a younger QB.
Yo pause my guy!
True. I think mentally Brady was at his best in his 40s
Tell that to Aaron Rodgers. Oh wait ….
Unless you don't study film and only play off talent.
Yeah but your body goes away only Brady took care of his body and got in better shape the older he got yall just assume Mahomes gone not get injured and get in better shape in his 30s
There's no second guessing himself when they fit his finger for that 3rd ring 😂😂
Their both right. Good looking pass can be seen as up for grabs for both offense and defense.
Averaging 304 in 10 super bowls is insane
Spygate ,deflate gate, beating by forest Gump(Eli) Brady ain't all that.
Who engineered the 6 game winning drives for the PATRIOTS? SOSTATE THE FACTS
Richard defends purdy vehemently and refuses to talk about what ifs when it hurts purdy. Yet talks about how mahomes could’ve been picked. Not fair at all
brady competed against top 10 or 15 qbs in his era, this era is just mahomes
Andy Reid is 65 & Mahomes is 28. If these two stay together for another 7 or 8 years & get 2 or 3 more rings, they’ll both go down as the greatest ever at their positions.
People forget Andy Reid was great as eagles head coach they were always in the playoffs and nfc title games, 1 super bowl loss yes, but he’s always been a great head coach.
@@Njbear7453 Yep. & don’t forget about Belichick and Cleveland. Reid’s time w/Philly was much more productive than Belichick’s w/Cleveland.
NOPE
they gotta win 8 homie.
@@danielpaquet3963No they don't. If Mahomes carries every statistics has more MVPs then why would he need 8?
And yet REID IS 0 AND 3 AGAINST TOM BRADY IN THE POSTSEASON
As a diehard Pats fan; individually statistics Mahomes will shatter Brady. Superbowls/divisional championships wins are team victories and a ton of credit goes to Adam Vinatieri and Bills defense. This is the first year Mahomes has a top tier defense. Everyone's quick to say Brady beat him twice and they both play on offense, makes no sense. If Mahomes had a Belichick defense for his career he'd have 4-5 rings now. All this, "Brady beat Mahomes" and Eli beat Brady twice also, and one was an undefeated regular season, that QB vs QB comparison for wins/losses is ridiculous. They play against opposing defenses. Our defense gave us the St. Louis Rams, Seattle, and the LA Rams victories. That's just what it is. Then he gets 7 with a heavily stacked team with 4 offensive pro bowlers and 3 defensive pro bowlers and people act like he went to a trash team and took them to the superbowl.
It’s a different era… lol and mahomes is set up for good stats
Bro you ain't no damn PAT fan😂😂😂
You don't sound like a Pats fan my friend
"As a DiE hArD PatS FaN" 😂😂cut it out..
You must be a “In Bill we Trust” Patriots fan spewing that non sense and how’d that philosophy work out for you??
Never underestimate the heart of a champion
I think Michael Irving's take on Mahomes is spot on, he's greater for multiple reason, irrespective of him beating many NFL records now.
LMAO! No he’s not greater at all 😂
How many all time records does Brady have over mahomes??? Lol Dozens ;) And Tom has two of the biggest matchup wins against your hero.
Brady is greater. Period
Time for people to stop comparing Lamar and Josh Allen and Joe Burrow to PATRICK! PATRICK is KING! You are BLIND or just a plain hater if you can’t realize this greatness in KC, take it from a jet fan who watched Brady..... they’re not stopping anytime soon.
Atleast Lamar has 2 league MVPs the Burrow and Allen hasn't won anything
we just gone act like brady and the patriots weren't cheaters all of a sudden, no o line and no defense and a stupid offside cost us those games.. brady not beating this chiefs team period.
Michael Iving is a charector - he's amazing!
Skip - Mahomes makes a 52yard pass to Hardman “it’s a dangerous throw”
Also Skip - Brady makes a 52yard pass “only Brady could make that throw” 🤦🏽♂️
Doesn’t he have 3 Sb Mvps
They talking about regular season MVPs. He has 2
Sherm come on man 😂
He hating on Pat hard
Skip's only ability to survive is to hate, how sad.
Isn’t it crazy how now all of a sudden Sherman turned into if Bayless?? If the DB located a ball it would’ve been picked. I thought you only talk about what happened? 🤔😂😂
I also don’t understand the talent argument for pat against Tom there’s always been more talented qbs then Tom it’s the mind that separates them apart
Not anymore. Patrick reads defenses and changes plays at the line of scrimmage. He did it on the game winning touchdown and on a couple 4th done conversions
Because those other guys weren’t remotely as accomplished as Tom. Patrick is more talented and could end up just as accomplished, so him being more talented is more of a factor in this comparison.
@@dominicannick you don’t think any other QBs red defenses and change plays at the line of scrimmage? That’s pretty standard
@@mani-xc9rs you can talk like that when he gets to 5 superbowls lmao
@@StarWarsSeeker Sure and nobody’s arguing he’s over Tom now. But we’re saying that he will not need 7-8 Superbowls if clear as day he’s more talented and racks up more individual honours.
This is gonna be his last ring for a while. If they win it next year thats gonna be amazing. Lets see if that team stays together
This was supposed to be there down year lol. The only thing that can save everyone is Chris jones leaving and possibly kelce retiring. Even then they could just bring in another weapon…
@@Wtfisthis48888 remember people can age overnight. And on top of that I see some teams who will probably win sooner than we think. Lamar Jackson is still good . He needs to figure something out. Joe burrow . And as funny as this sounds I think Green Bay is going to be better than we imagine. You got Aaron Rodgers coming back. Mahomes is great but these dudes won't last forever. Remember Brady had to take a pay cut
Everyone wants them to lose so badly! Just like how everyone wanted the patriots to lose when they kept winning and winning and winning... get used to it !! And I sure am glad Tom is GONE. Y’all don’t know what it’s like not only being a jet fan, but having to watch your team play Tom 2 times a year.
@@Njbear7453 bruh. It's not wanting them to lose it's the fact the way they win is so boring. And it feels fake . Like last year when I seen the pass interference and they just let it go. Or this year they let him run up the middle and don't even try to tackle. It's wack
Remember Tom Brady went 10 years without winning a Super Bowl. Do you think Mahomes will go 10 years before he wins his next one?
Patrick Mahomes: 3 Super Bowl wins 3 Super Bowl MVPs
Tom Brady: 7 Super Bowl wins 5 Super Bowl MVPs
If you know you know that rings don’t count because they are a team accomplishment
"Look at that pouch,, and look at what hes doin,,, 🤣
Patrick is the 🐐
Lol
@dylanallen5653 it must be difficult to slight Patrick Mahomes and get proven wrong again, and again, and again.
Hahahahaha 😂😂😂😂
7 always is more then 3. Period
@@billkaler1627 Patrick wasn't involved in 2 cheating scandals
I was told 7 is a bigger number than 3.
The Wildes argument!
i was told 23 years is longer than 5 years
Thank you Sherm for being respectful
They are spot on about Mahomes having the combination of Aaron Rodgers’ athleticism/talent and Tom Brady’s flawless decision making, but what makes Brady the goat, beyond the rings, is his competitiveness. When he came back down 28-3 against Atlanta in the Super Bowl, that solidified Brady as the Goat. That doesn’t take away from Mahomes’ competitiveness because he’s showing similar drive, but I don’t think we can call Mahomes the Goat at least until he either ties or surpasses Brady in rings, or if he has an insane/unheard of come back game in a Super Bowl like Brady did. I’m not even a Patriots fan, but that was the best Super Bowl ever and it showed that Brady had a different competitive gear similar to how they say Jordan had another gear that no one else could turn to.
He’s well on his way, it’s frankly staggering that so early into his career he’s up there with Tom and Montana. But Brady has more than double the rings, won on 2 teams, beat mahomes in their 2 deep playoff appearances. Brady has more regular season accolades, and just about every record a QB wants. Mahomes in 5-10 years might have a claim. Not right now.
Beat mahomes as a baby. With a depleted O line. Doesn’t count
Mahomes had already won a Super Bowl, plus he was MVP that year...no excuses
This. But people will argue this because they *want* Mahomes to be the goat. Not have it happen truly. It's a desire that comes from within for whatever personal motive. Mahomes isn't like this. He clearly is thinking about the next season because he knows. He wont be anything without those future SB wins and accolades. He understands that the discussion isn't settled or has even begun. So why are his fans not like him?
So in that case Tom Brady can’t be the GOAT because Eli beat him twice in the Super Bowl and Nick Foles beat him in the Super Bowl
@@user-lt1fx2he5s Eli has 2 and Nick has 1. You know this point you're making is not sincere and just cherry picked.
Irving was right. And didn't need to bring up tuck rule, superior defenses, dee ford offsides, multiple cheating scandals, edelman catch on should be brady int, butler int, multiple rings without matching sb mvps, pat thoroughly outplaying tom in that afc championship game, etc
That AFC championship game haunts me because he was smacking up brady. But brady knew all he had to do was drag out to OT and score first.
The biggest saving grace of that game though is that it would be a catalyst to the rule changes moving forward.
Give Pat a chance in that game and your not telling me he doesnt beat brady. Honestly breaks my heart that Pat never had a good defense up until this year
@@ItsHappyHourArchived brady threw 3 ints that game. Dee Ford erased the last one. Mahomes was far and away the best qb. Yet people will only count the win for brady out of context
Right let’s not mention their chiefs defense forcing punt after punt. A punt after mahomes bad int and the kicker kicking a 57 yard field GOAL!!!!
I have to give you credit you are an excuse making expert trying to explain away Brady's 7 rings but it won't work he's still the goat
@marckellough529 they're not excuses, just blemishes on bradys resume.(excuses is what you hear when u bring up the fact Brady lost to Eli 2x, and back up qb foles). Mahomes has almost zero blemishes. Rings don't count in the goat debate unless u have a sb mvp to go with it. You have to be the reason they won. Brady has 5, mahomes has 3. I'm OK with people saying Brady is still the goat. I get it. But that argument will end BEFORE mahomes retires. Mahomes is so much more talented the debate has already started.
Skip wanted to call out today.
Pat beat the 3 best teams in the playoffs with 6th best team. He created and extended plays in the Superbowl and carried that offense across the finish line
To Michaels point. I’m 27 i didn’t see MJ play, but to all the OG’s what made y’all put MJ over Bill Russell?
Wins plus stats
MJ was so far above anyone during his time. Wilt , Kareem, Bill were all relatively close to one another
Wilt was dominant but came up short in the playoff. Jordan was amazing in the regular season and elevated even higher in the playoffs.
@@chrisricks6363my bad i meant Bill Russell
@@bern717my bad i meant Bill Russell
All Skip argued for YEARS is what Tom and MJ did in the clutch regardless on how bad they played but when it’s about Patty or Bron he nit picks 🤦🏾♂️ nah Mr Bayless keep that same ENERGY!!!!!
Washington fan for a long time and hates the Cowboys. But Michael on this show, makes him so likeable
Patrick Mahomes cannot be the goat because it’s very rare that we have two all-time great talents from different eras to play against each other. They played twice 2018 in the AFC championship game. Brady won 2021 Super Bowl Brady won, so how can Patrick Mahomes be the goat?
After this I have him in the top 5, he needs two more to be in the conversation which no doubt he'll get there
lol he was in the top 5 before this season started 😂😂😂 wth you watching
He's been in the top 5 for years now where you been lol
@Slatt34567 before the season, brady, montana, manning, elway, unitas, and staubach then mahomes now the fact that he was able to go back to back which is tough to do puts him in the top 5 behind montana he's definitely now better than mannning and elway but before the season you cant put him top 5
@mario98730 for years?? Thats a stretch
@@Carbon_sxt36yea you’re trolling with that list
Dam Skip and Richard i sense some Haterorade.
The show is better when Bayless doesn’t talk.