Will Patrick Mahomes surpass Tom Brady as the GOAT quarterback? | NFL | UNDISPUTED
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- Опубликовано: 12 фев 2023
- At the age of 27, Patrick Mahomes has now won two regular season and two Super Bowl MVPs. This was Mahomes' third Super Bowl appearance and has hosted the AFC championship every year he's been a starter. Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharpe debate on whether Mahomes will surpass Tom Brady as the GOAT quarterback or not.
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I really hate these STUPID "What if" kinds of conversations.
Is Skip an analyst or pundit?
Shannon on his stuff today
Joe Montana... Never lost
When Brady won ring #2, nobody was comparing him to Joe Montana or Terry Bradshaw. Here's THE reason Patrick will never eclipse Tom: last night's tackle before first half almost snapped his ankle. Think RG3, running QB's take physical abuse, one wrong hit, and your done, if he keeps running he will find out the hard way.
Too early to be having that conversation. That man has 5 more championships to win and a divorce to go through.
Ha! 😂😂😂
Not really. Say he gets 3?. I think with his skill, the amazing plays he makes. Will put him in the discussion. He don't need 7 or 8 to be above him. He's already in the argument for BOAT. Imo
Cheated for 2
How's it too early to be having that convo, you lot can't comprehend, they're saying can he surpass him, the answer is yes, everything points to him BEING ABLE to do it, but people don't know because he's in season 5/6.
@Alex Weninger old brady outplayed him for his 7th ring... sorry man if you get beaten by the guy you are trying to catch when he's at his end and you already have a superbowl and the best team.. then sorry. You will for a very long time not have the goat debate in your favor even if you catch up in rings and accomplishments
Why are we acting like Brady and Mahomes didn't have damn near identical stats just LAST YEAR when Brady was 45. Put respect on Tom, this young man is great but it's way too early for this.
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He didn’t 😂🤡
He didn’t tho that’s the thing
I don't care Brady's time has come and gone
Just let the young man play DAMN!!!!
In 2021, Brady at age 44 was statistically better than Mahomes.
Mahomes: 37 TD, 13 INT, 4839 Yds, 66.3%
Brady: 43 TD, 12 INT, 5316 Yds, 67.5%
Mahomes is amazing and definitely on pace to become the 2nd best of all time and possibly compete for the GOAT status. But we have to wait for him to win 5 more SBs and also see how he plays at age 44 as well.
This was mahomes 5th year starting. But they are comparing it to bradys numbers at 27 after brady's 3rd season starting. The numbers get much better if you compare their first 5 years starting.
That being said, Mahomes is the only one in the league right now who can sniff Brady's legacy. His talent is undeniable and with the coach he has now, the tight end, and his contract that will look more and more team friendly as the years go by, he has a chance.
@ Andy Pham you got that right, but hater Skip will never acknowledge the greatness of Mahomes.....that would be to much like right. I think Skip needs to be cancelled. He is so bias and won't for the life of his own, be fair to Mahomes and any other great player besides the washed up or mediocrte player he supports. He's just a case of loud mouth and nonsense.
Hey, that’s logic! That’s cheating. Can’t make a 20 min video (including the other video that preceded this one) with that logic.
Mahomes cannot see Tom Brady ever
Lamar Jackson has entered the room
@Audible.Productions once Lamar wins a few superbowls then I think we can add him. Same with Josh Allen Joe burrow etc. Great individual players, but can they lead your team against the rest of the NFL and come out with the win time after time after time?
Right now Mahomes is the closest of any active player and he still needs 5 more superbowl wins... just to tie.
Blind reveal:
3 Game SB sample size
Player A: 256 YPG 6 TDs 1 INT 65% completion. 98 PR (3-0) 2 SB MVPs
Player B: 245 YPG 5 TDs 4 INT 61% completion. 87PR (2-1) 2 SB MVPs
Player A: Tom Brady in his first 3 Superbowls (3-0) 2001-2004
Player B: Mahomes in his first 3 Superbowls (2-1) 2019-2022
Not to mention the legendary playcalling on offense Mahomes has had (best ever), much superior weapons (Pats weapons were aming the worst in the league) and the OLine. Also the era Brady played in those 3 and the Mahomes era were way way different when it comes to rules. It was much harder to put up stats back then.
You know the media couldn’t wait for this discussion after Mahomes won yesterday
All rigged
Yup
@@markjackson5333 cry more😭😭💀 stop watching if it rigged
@@yaboisoe178 makes me money
Yep the nfl showed their hand early in the bengals game they weren’t allowing Mahomes to lose. Anybody with a brain bet on KC
"I know what you're trying to do Skip Bayless and I ain't gonna let you do it" 🤣🤣. The way he drank that drink, 0:07 the look, and the way he delivered that 🤣🤣
Joe Montana... Never lost
@Ladonna Edge he lost quite a few regular season games and playoff games...he never lost a game in the superbowl. I'm not sure what you were referring to but I digress
@@ladonnaedge9161 Never even threw a pick in a Superbowl.
@@ladonnaedge9161 Montana had one of the greatest coaches and greatest assemblage of talent ever. Football was much different then. Just about everyone would take mahomes now over Montana
@@elcee3292 Yeah Montana was getting smashed - who knows how Mahomes would hold up getting sacked as rough as Montana did
Wait… Shannon says “you don’t throw that flag at that moment in the AFC championship game” but in the Super Bowl “you throw that flag it’s a penalty!” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I caught that too.
Underrated comment.
"We can have a different conversation about a lot of different topics, but we can only have the discussion about what actually transpired." Wise words from Unc right there! 🙏
Until his favorite athletes fall short of championship expectations than the excuses come out of that man's mouth
@@johnrodriguez107 exactly
@@johnrodriguez107 that’s all pundits to be fair
@@johnrodriguez107like who?
@@Itsxmusic lebron
It’s disrespectful to even have this convo right now. Tom has 7 rings… I will say, Pat is the only one who has a shot.
Way too early. Reckoning will come. It's hard work to beat Brady. What about his injury? Not healed. What else will this bring him? Availability is a requirement.
@@judithoberpaul509 facts, and I think people are missing the fact that Brady has literally played 23 years that’s also hard to reach
@@Von_SRTBrady technically only started in 21 seasons. First season he was on bench behind Bledsoe. And he tore his ACL and was out in 2008. But still, starting 21 seasons is absolutely ridiculous. 👀
@@LASAGNA_LARRY True
@@Von_SRTI’d rather have the light that shines brighter for a shorter time then the light that shines dimmer for longer but everyone has an opinion that’s why there will be a debate🤷🏾♂️
Mahomes is incredible. There is no denying his talent and skill and ability to win games and now super bowls. But Tom Brady is on another level. Endurance and consistency. Give the comparisons a rest. As of now, there is no comparing them.
Lmao. He's not on another level, you've mentioning longevity, it's about talent and skill. Ts longevity ain't gonna eat alot if mahomes suits on his numbers
@@firellparker7463 he didn't just play long.. he played AND won..
All I hear is "if." Brady is on another level as of rn.. it's not a question
@@firellparker7463well Brady showed Mahomes can’t beat him in a big game…so yeah he is on another level and that was at 45
Is he really on another level? Because talent wise mahomes is ahead of Brady by literal miiilllllles and mahomes at his young age has already shown to have the winning pedigree that very few QBs have amongst the individual MVP and passing yards leader accolades as well💯 obviously guys like Brady, montana, Rodgers and manning, etc are still over mahomes but I can definitely see why this is a conversation piece is what I’m trying to say
d @@isaacyoung3698 They are both Great in their own way. ill never understand why ppl make these unnecessary comparisons
As a Missouri native I can say I love Patrick Mahomes and everything his done for our city and surrounding areas, that being said tom’s spot atop the mountain will never be challenged and that’s fine, I think we could chalk it up to brady being the best of his era, the question we should be having is; is mahomes going to be the best of his era when it’s all said and done
Mahomes can be the best QB of the recent, softer gambling and money based, political, offensive biased, and ref controlled era. Tom was the best of the last real NFL era
@@philwalters3579 YEAH BUT BRADY AND COACH WERE CAUGHT CHEATING TWICE, SPY GATE AND INFLATED FOOTBALLS AND i ALMOST FORGOT THE IMFAMOUS TUCK RULE AFTER HE CLEARLY FUMBLED THE BALL !!!
I disagree never say never, Patrick has a lot of time and he's more accomplished than Brady at the same age. Imagine if he plays until he's 45?
@@anthonygillespie7233 yep but then he continued to win later on as an old man on the Bucs
@@philwalters3579 Playing against 2nd and 3rd string players. The CHIEFS were Soo beat up and injured. Same as the Eagles beating up the 49ers this year. And if you really look at it had they taken those 3 SBs from the Pats he would literary only have 4. Who knows if they cheated even more and didn't get CAUGHT !!! I'LL GIVE HIM THE 7 SBs BUT 3 SHOULD DEFINELY HAVE ??? MARKS.
I love the way this segment started lmao “I know what you tryna do skip bayless”
Ok, the last few minutes of this video was gold. I don't even think last night was a bad call, but I almost fell out of my chair when Skip started saying they honored JuJu like he was a #1 receiver.... 😂😂
😂😂😂
Eagles got the 2nd best tight end in the league in a trade and almost won the superbowl. That Kansas secondary was crazy, the Chiefs wanted it more, where was AJ brown? Where was DeVonta smith? Justin Reid hit him on the first play, them boys was playin hard, i hope JuJu gets a contract as well as Valdez scantling 🤫
They only threw that flag coz Mahomeboi was pointing at it. Had nothin to do with JuJu lol. Skip is such a hipocrite. Love the debates though :)
Not gonna lie this year just felt different it didn't feel like Super Bowl week or even like that big of a game
It was just a weird vibe this year!
Scripted
Was a really bad year of football.
@@dominushydrathe 1pm games were always better than the prime times games (broncos 5 prime times games stunk each time)
You are getting older and you realize that football doesn’t mean that much in the grand scheme of things. Food prices are going up and tensions with foreign powers are getting worse. People busy concentrating on protecting their families. The age of bread and circus is coming to an end. Or it could be because football is getting too predictable with these rigged games. Idk I’m just a guy.
Actually I thought it was bigger than ever. It seems that even in the last few years the Super Bowl has really blown up.
Shannon: “they shouldn’t have thrown the flag in Dee Ford, it’s too big of a game!”
Literally also Shannon: “they gotta throw that flag on Bradbury, you throw the flag when a penalty is being committed”
I know, he contradicted himself, good catch.
I was about to type the same thing until I seen you beat me to it 😂
It's amazing both were flags, and both, nobody cares.
I think he was being sarcastic and using skips argument against him
No he was giving the same energy that skip was giving on how the Bradbury hold shouldn't be called but unc knows both calls were correct.
Tom Brady got a second Super Bowl MVP when he beat the Panthers. Branch got Super Bowl MVP in the Eagles Super Bowl the following season. I can’t believe that at least Skip didn’t catch that.
They get things wrong all the time💯💯
Skip wasn't a fan of Brady before 2014, his memory is probably a bit hazy.
And Back to Back SB wins
@@pointyheadYT damn so he wasn’t a fan of Brady during his first run with NE?
@@kevonsidek9737 He disliked Brady lol. Haven't you seen him debate SAS on First Take prior to 2012? He only took a U-turn after Brady won his 4th title.
Yesterday showed everyone just how great Mahomes really is the way he was able to read the defense and always find the open man along with making the right play was beautiful
Reading defense, when his receivers are wide open LOL
@@stephanea5364 Yep. Against the number one defense of the NFL.
@@pascalabessolo5350 49ers were the #1 defense in 2022. And two of Mahomes TD passes yesterday? Nobody within 20 yards of his receivers. That's more scheme than QB. And that's more Reid than Mahomes. My grandmother could've made those throws.
Didn't even make 200 yards passing. Everyone knows Mahomes throws more under 5 yard TD passes than anybody. That said I agree he is a great QB.
@@stephanea5364 ... indeed, why is Kelce always wide open?
Good content thanks for the upload
Tough call, Mahomes is amazing, but AFC is loaded with young and talented QBs now, Allen, Borrow, Lamar, Lawrence, Herbert, Watson and even Tua. It’s going to be tough to win like Brady competing against all of them every year.
Yep. AFC is loaded with qb talent. And there will be more to come.
Joe Montana... Never lost
it's way too early to have this convo, can't we wait till we're at least 10 years into his career before we start talking about GOAT status ?
Three weeks ago Burrow was the GOAT. I hate the prisoner of the moment era of sports media.
Exactly even as a Mahomes fan it's too early, but I guess that's what people want to do, just like people tried crowning Josh Allen or Joe Burrow prematurely ahead of Mahomes this season.
No it’s not don’t be a lil fanboy and say that Brady could’ve played and won with one leg 😂
@@bigmo1699 didn't Brady win Superbowl against Mahomes in 2020 with a torn MCL? So technically he can and he did win with an injured leg 🤣🤣
Ur a legend
I love Mahomes. I can't just dismiss the fact that the game is MUCH easier for Qb's, Wr's, and offense in general. What would Dan Marino have done in this era? There's always been great talent in the NFL. The rules can make talent even more talented.
Brady benefited from the rules way more. He got the rules made for him😂 he couldn’t move so he got calls. Mahomes makes plays. Simple. Not just taking advantage of rules.
Makes it even harder to win in that case. Way too many good teams now. And quarterbacks too
Marino would throw 60 touchdowns for sure maybe even 6k yards.
@@travismannix5178: Indeed
@@leshawnandrews7104 Yet, Mahomes is going to benefit longer from the same rules that Brady supposedly made….. Did you forget the NFL started to change the rules heavily since 2009….
In 2021, Brady at age 44 was statistically better than Mahomes.
Mahomes: 37 TD, 13 INT, 4839 Yds, 66.3%
Brady: 43 TD, 12 INT, 5316 Yds, 67.5%
Mahomes is amazing and definitely on pace to become the 2nd best of all time and possibly compete for the GOAT status. But we have to wait for him to win 5 more SBs and also see how he plays at age 44 as well.
Get ready for a ride folks. We’re basically watching Lebron chasing Jordan all over again. Let’s sit back and see what happens.
pat coming to catch brady an he will b done forever period cnt wait my cheifs to dam dominant
I love how you bring up the only year where Brady had the better numbers in the 5 years they were both starting at the same time
Waaaaay too early to be having that conversation. We need to look back on his career and see what he's done but I think he has an excellent chance, whether he wins as many rings or not. If the NFL looks anything like it did this year he's in line for another MVP run.
Those two early losses to Brady could come back to haunt Mahomes. I said in another one I think he needs 5 chips at least.
If anything both losses are suspect bad calls in the AFC Championship and no O-Line in the SB, but ok since Brady gets the praise then Mahomes only lost to him....
@@d.minicksr.1597 you can always pick apart losses. Mahomes threw what might’ve been a same sealing pick in that afc title game but it was dropped. Fact is he lost
@@d.minicksr.1597 What about the suspect bad call of yesterday? Dee Ford call in AFC championship was clear as day, not subject to interpretation like yesterday
@@stephanea5364 it doesn’t matter mahomes the goat rn already anyway
That afc championship game mahomes threw for 300 yards, 3td, no picks, 117 passer rating. Brady threw for 340 yards, 1 td 2 INT, 77 passer rating. I’ll say the defense let mahomes down, be also didn’t even get the ball in OT and got off the field with a lead in regulation, so yeah he really outplayed brady in that game. Super bowl was all about mahomes O-line vs bucs all time prime defense
I love Patrick Mahomes. Can the guy at least get to Joe Montana territory first? 😂 Who's asking these questions?
He’s already better than Montana. Actually, Mohomes is already better than Brady
@@yo3rdtier128 better than brady? How? Bradys firts 5 years 3 SB and back to back. And that era was way tougher lmao. Stop the cap junior
@@DjSonicxify it was so tough that Tom Brady won bowls throwing 100 yards
@@yo3rdtier128 Rodgers is better than mahomes. Mahomes has already had more top 10 defenses than Rodgers’ whole career. Put Rodgers on the chiefs and they’re just as successful if not more so.
@matt fratamico Arron rodgers is a folder mahomes already 2nd best of all time stats don’t lie
People really having this convo like we didn’t watch Brady beat him H2H in an AFC Championship and a Super Bowl
Eye test says Malhomes. Resume says Tom
Tom Brady won 3 superbowls in his first 5 years. Super bowl MVP in 2 of them. He didn’t win an MVP, back then it wasn’t a QB league like it is now. Mahomes has to do it with the longevity that Brady did, and it’s hard to say that any player will be able to do that for 23 years
Mahomes joined a stacked team and soft rules help
Yep
@@markjackson5333 And to say he’s ALSO gotten lucky isn’t an overstatement. If Jimmy G doesn’t overthrow Emmanuel Sanders in the first super bowl, we might be having a different conversation today. But I guess Brady is the only one who’s gotten lucky.
The patriots cheated..
@@aquariuskev24 and now the regular seasons have one extra game. That allows a lot of regular season records to be blown out of the water.
It's too early to be having GOAT conversations about Patrick Mahommes.
Yep
Its not when mahomes is litteraly already the goat lmaooo goofy shut up
Agreed.
But right now, he’s top 3 ever.
@@lovehate8286 facts! It’s goes:
Manning, Greaton: in his own tier as the QB GOD.
1: Brady
2: Montana
3: Mahomes
Manning is the true goat and will never be compared to 🤷🏿♂️
'Are we sure he's even the greatest right now?? Are we sure it isn't Josh Alle - wait... Joe Burr... wait... Jalen Hur... wait...' 😂
Hats off to Andi Reid too what a amazing job he schemed together two perfect touchdown plays defenders wasn't even 10 yards of the receiver
He took a sip before responding 🤣🤣🤣
From Shannon Sharpe “ At the end of the day, did you win the ultimate prize that your sport has to offer?” I don’t want to hear another word about “ Goat James” after that quote!!!
Joe Montana... Never lost
LeBron has 4 NBA rings .
@@infernoglobalsuperstar9995 And 6 failed attempts at the other ones!
Tom Brady’s resume is almost incomparable.
It makes Joe Montanas look paltry.
What do you mean "almost"?
Doug Pederson is better than belichick
that's an ignorant statement, if brady played in joe's era, brady probably would have retired by age 35 smh
@@strikeout77777 If your mother had testicles she'd be your father. You Brady haters are all about What-about-isms
@@strikeout77777if Tom Brady had a prime Jerry rice he’d have 11 Super Bowls
It’s too early to have that conversation, but he’s on the right path though.
Way too early. Reckoning will come. It's hard work to beat Brady. What about his injury? Not healed. What else will this bring him? Availability is a requirement.
That's all that needs to be said.
Patrick is going to be great regardless. Get ready for his continuing greatness because I
certainly am😊😊😊
You knew as soon as Unc took that sip, he was ready 🤣🤣🤣
If the AFC didn’t have so many great and rising quarterbacks in it’s future, I would agree with you concerning Mahomes future dominance. These will create way too many obstacles that will prevent him from reaching championship games and Super Bowls on a regular basis and will impede his quest to catch Montana or Brady.
👍💯🙋♀️
Ok lol mahomes gonna be in the sb next year too
@@mikeyroberts9630 You spelled Burrow wrong
@@mikeyroberts9630 Possible, but I doubt it. Other teams will be hungrier. Watch out for Cincy and Baltimore. Plus, you have noticed recently that teams rarely repeat? Also, though I admire Mahomes, he has an obvious flaw that people rarely bring up. He doesn’t play 4 quarters of consistent football which is why he always has to come back-which he’s good at-but this occasionally catches up with him and he does lose from time to time. Don’t make Kansas City a dynasty just yet.
He’s definitely not gonna be going to the SB every year but remember Brady and bill had to wait a long time to get that 4th ring I personally think Kelce and Reid can get mahomes one more before he takes a mini back seat and new coach and System of players propel him back to the top
At this point in their careers, Brady had yet to lose in the playoffs (he won his first eleven playoff games!), had three rings and two super bowl MVPs. HOW exactly is Mahomes ahead of Brady again? Because he already has two regular season MVPs? We're using Aaron Rodgers standards now, lol.
It's not Aaron Rodgers' standards when Mahomes has twice as many rings as Aaron does already. Not to mention the Tuck Rule saved Brady in his first game. He should've had one more loss and three fewer victories. 💯
@@1JAM229 Mahomes was bailed out by two game ending calls in the championship game and the super bowl. You can't fault one and ignore the other.
@@Xervellopreach! 😂
These band wagoners be delusional sometimes
@@clozvega1423 Mahomes is your daddy lol
It’s a team a sport simple . It’s always people who never played ball makes these type of points. There’s no way you’re going to say Brady is majority of the credit for the first three rings STOP IT 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Y’all are insecure and know the truth . The eyes don’t lie Mahomes will be the better QB when it’s all set and done .
Brady won 3 Superbowls in 5 years without Hall of Fame receivers. Thats like this years Giants minus Saquon
4 years
And only QB to win 3 💍 before age 28
Also only QB to win 💍 first year as starter
‘01, ‘03, 04
im a huge pats and brady fan , and mahomes is a incredible talent and a pretty cool guy. time will tell , so lets start talking about it in 15 years.
That's right. I fully agree 👍💯🙋♀️
This era is such a prisoner of the moment .
Joe Montana... Never lost
@@ladonnaedge9161 preach. Plus he only won two out of the 4 with Jerry. But I guess joe is joe
old eras were playing caveman football, Mahomes will end up top 3 no debate.
The "never lost" thing is so overrated. Montana also lost before the Super Bowl 7 times, including a 49-3 loss to the Giants. So that's better than getting to but losing a Super Bowl? Montana is #2 all time but I hate this argument. Montana lost by double digits 5 times in the playoffs, but because it's not the Super Bowl it doesn't matter...come on man.
@@Unriven pat plays in a two hand touch era
Mahomes needs to surpass a lot of other QBs before he’s anywhere near Montana and certainly Brady.
Exactly, Mahomes is already without the 10 all time but he's in the lower echelon of that list.
You both stupid 😂 Pat is already top 5 almost everyone has him 3 or 4 right now after that win yesterday and a few have him top 2.
Eagles fan here but congrats to Mahomes, Reid and the rest of the Chiefs helluva game!
Thanks man, chiefs fan here. I felt you guys got done dirty with the penalty, but Jalen Hurts won me over. You've guys have got yourself a qb for the future, i've got jalen winning a super bowl or 2 with philly
You guys did the best u could against a dynasty team
Only flaw with comparing super bowls and MVPs at this point is that super bowls are won on the field while MVPs are voted on and quite a few times the deserving player was looked over. The only one here that is an absolute is the super bowl victory.
It's not impossible for that to happen, it's still 💯 early in his career, so let him keep on pushing his skills and talents up the football field.
Too early to have this conversation, we all saw this happen with LeBron, they tried too hard to force the conversation after he won 2 and was 2-2, he ended up going 2-4 in the next 6, let it play out, GOAT is a high bar
Lebron ended up being better
Jordan was called the GOAT after 3 rings. So being this early is not unusual.
At 28 Brett farve had a ring been to 2 SBs and had 3 MVPs just let it breathe
You said “been” not won 2 and played in 3
And at 27 Mahomes won 2 SBs, 2 SB MVPs, and 2 regular season MVPs. Mahomes has far surpassed Favre.
@@TheCapn23 he has not far surpassed I didn’t say mahomes wasn’t great im saying we have seen an early start like this let the guy have his career
@@comebackkid5976 not sure why the above comments didn’t get your point. Between 1995-1997, Brett favre won 3 MVPs and made 2 Super Bowls. You’d think at that pace he’d have made a lot more Super Bowls and contended for additional MVPs, but it never happened (albeit, I think he had a case for mvp in 2009). Careers are never guaranteed.
@@mattfratamico670 thank you that’s all I’m saying let the guy have his career. We can never just enjoy what we are seeing now. Whe always feel the need to project and compare.
The 'yac sip at the beginning was epic haha
too early to compare the two right now but i do think patrick mahomes can catch tom. just from the eye test he’s already the best qb i’ve ever seen talent wise and if he can get the accolades no doubt you can make a case.
Wait till he's got 5 under his belt.
Most versatile, but I think Rodgers in his prime edges him out in arm talent.
@@lycanthropic1122 agreed
Mahomes said himself he wouldn't call them a dynasty yet. He's on track to have a very, very impressive career. I mean, we forget how impressive it is to have more than one SB bc Brady set the bar to such a level, but Peyton for all of his excellence is now matched by Patrick in just 5 seasons. He's on pace to do as needed, but it's still a bit early for that convo imo. He's definitely gonna end up top 3 (he's already top 5 at the very least) we'll see how far he takes it.
Shannon crushed Skip here. Skip is such a hypocrite. He talks about 1 throw Jimmy G didn’t make yet ignores all the mistake it took from Atlanta that allowed Brady to make that epic comeback. That doesn’t take away anything from Brady but he has no consistency in his arguments.
Skip and his love for Tom Brady is absolutely ridiculous.
C’mon bruh really? This is exactly why people were rooting against Mahomes nothing Mahomes did himself but the media is just beyond ridiculous when it comes to this stuff with these QBs man, not a fan of either team but Jalen Hurts lowkey outplayed Mahomes in my humble opinion. (Team Game)
I keep seeing people say Hurts outplayed Mahomes but I really don’t see how? At best I think they both played similarly great with a different play style. Hurts had the ball A LOT longer so of course his numbers were bigger, but he also had the only big mistake of the whole game with that fumble. Mahomes had the ball for nearly a whole quarter less and had to be almost perfect and was.
@@corbinhulsewe Lol Hurts CLEARLY outplayed Mahomes stop
Cuz he is a spectacle you guys don’t want mahomes to be better than brady so bad bruh
No one is passing Tom, ever.
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40 old tom beat mahomes when it matters most twice. end of discussion.
Joe Montana... Never lost
@@ladonnaedge9161 tom went to 10.. Goat.
@@ashirfaruq3575 Bucs beat the Chiefs bro. With that logic Eli>Brady. You’re just insecure lol. Brady still the goat tho .
It’s very unlikely that anyone will accomplish as much as Brady bc there’s a bunch of factors that come into it besides skill
That sKiLl argument is so stupid. Brady has plenty of skill, people are stupid.
Brady went 10 years without winning a SB so it is not unlikely at all.
For me, Mahommes will not have Travis Kelce forever.
@@abc_12333 LMAO 😂 Brady had 2 MVPs within that time frame, 2 SB appearances, and crazy numbers, so many wins, and an undefeated season. Mahomes WILL NOT amount to half of what Tom has accomplished.
Joe Montana... Never lost
Shannon Unc my guy, you are NOT AT CLUB SHAY SHAY 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Put that damn drink down pointing at skip like that! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I cannot breathe right now I’m laughing so hard! 13:02
Those longevity records are hard to reach but it can be done if he stays healthy and the team is build properly around Mahomes!
When he gets to 7 we can talk lmfao
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And this last one doesnt count sorry
nah rings are overrated
W’ll talk after his 6th Super Bowl win. Until then absolutely NO. Usually a great running QB are out of the league after 7 to 10 years due to injuries.
Yep.
Team stats. Mahomes peak is wayyy higher than brady's
I agree. Mahome's path will be rocky to beat Tom Brady. How long he'll play and whether he'll stay healthy is anyone's guess. This also applies to other QB's.
@@tomrod1949 what?
@@dominushydra brady's never won an MVP and superbowl mvp in the same year. Also has less mvps than peyton and rodgers
This happened to a young early career of Gretzky and Mesi and Griffey Jr. and Jordan and Tiger and Kobe and Lebron and Trout and now Mahomes. The GOAT comparisons come swift and frequently in this media age. It’s provocative
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That last pass interference call was really suspect though. Seems like the NFL needs someone to be the new "Brady." Very suspicious call that's all.
I said the same thing.
Idk if he gets Brady’s Super Bowl count but he’s like the blend of Rodgers talent & Brady’s winning. Already top 5 all time
I’ll go as far as #2 with this win. First QB since Kurt Warner to win MVP and Super Bowl MVP, won two rings in 4 years, has two league MVPS and two Super Bowl MVPS. Already second best. Just need 5 more rings to tie Tom.
The only thing holding him back is that Mahomes is 2 and 3 while Tom is 3 and 3 at this point.
No
This is one of the best descriptions I have read of him. Mahomes always reminded me of Brett Favre but as of late he looks more and more like Aaron. To me, prime Aaron (2011; 2020) is still the bar against the greatest skillsets and talents are measured and Pat is really up there with him.
@@sijdnsd6460 you’re delusional. Were you born yesterday? So he can have a mediocre career for the next 15yrs and you’d still have him as #2!?
That sip tho🤣 Shannon a beast!
What was he drinking?
@@tomanguyen his own taquila or cognac
Mahomes only threw for 179 yards last nite. TB12 is in a class by himself.
so first 2 Brady's SB he was dominant? nope
What about when Tom threw for 145 yards in a SB or won a SB with 0 Passing TDs and 1 INT, was he in a class by himself then.
@@firellparker7463 great point
@@firellparker7463 Mahomes threw like 4 ints in his first 2 sb appearances and like 2 tds. Mahomes is so overrated
@@nickstah9184 2x MVP, 2x SB champ, 2x SB MVP, 3 Super bowl appearances, 5 AFC championship appearances, 2x passing TD leader, 1x Passing yard leader all as 5 years as a starter. Yea so ovERrAtEd
The game against Bucs wasn’t all him. He was hitting his receivers while running for his life they just were not catching them. He hit Tyreek right in the hand while falling to the ground side ways. One of the most impressive pass I seen anyone throw.
Joe Montana... Never lost
Joe is still a legend always will be . But Brady has 7 and two in his 40s
@@ladonnaedge9161Montana doesn’t have the longevity And career Stats tho U can argue his peak tho
Tom was the MVP for that Carolina Super Bowl
Bill Belichick tape the walk-through which ultimately end up benefiting Brady.
@@henry7765 Refs benefited Mahomes yesterday
@@stephanea5364 Refs benefit Brady since the tuck Rule and against the Chiefs in the afc championship game
Verse the Eagles, Deion Branch won MVP. I think people come to these two for entertainment not the facts lol.
@@stephanea5364 refs benefited Mahomes in AFC championship game as well against Bengals
With the new rules that don't allow defense to breathe on the QB I think there is a good chance of Mahomes winning more super bowls.
especially when the defense can't touch the wr with out it being a holding call
we gon get it done quick
Also one of the main reasons why Mahomes will never surpass past QBs, its just easier now
A lot points to him never catching Brady besides the fact that Brady always beat him head to head including with the Patriots in a afc championship game and IN AN ACTUAL SUPERBOWL while brady was on a team for the first year, in a covid year.
Mahomes is phenomenal, hes an incredible QB. However, he'd need to play another 10 years to be in the discussion with Brady. Some of Bradys records will never be broken and the way Pat plays who knows if he'll get there. Time will tell
Joe Montana... Never lost
I think it will be interesting when Mahomes reaches a point in his career when he has only his wits to rely on. Mahomes athleticism will carry him for a long ways no doubt. I can't wait to see what Mahomes is doing at the age of 45. That's when I'll make my objective appraisal of who's the superior QB
Records Are Made To Be Broken. People Thought The Bulls 72-10 Record Wouldn't Get Broken, Until The Warriors Went 73-9
@@rashadmccoy5403 you honestly think Mahones will beat 35 Playoff wins and 88 Playoff Tds with the way he plays. Rodgers and montana have 45 Tds and montana has 16 playoff wins Not a chance of it happening
@@mickser101Pat already about to pass Rodgers. He has 35 tds already. Mahomes and Rodgers both have 11 postseason wins. Montana 16. If Mahomes stays healthy he’s passing Montana and Rodgers. He can pass Brady in tds idk about wins. Gotta remember Mahomes has only played 5 years. Montana career is done Rodgers career is almost over. Nobody has had a start like this
The beginning is hilarious😂
No he won't. As soon as Reid leaves or Kelce dries up he's finally not going to be spoiled.
Yep just like Tyreek leaving was going to 'expose' him.
@@legitdragon6202 I never said that hill leaving was going to expose him. Reids genius and Kelce existing were always more valuable than hill.
At the 10:00 mark, does Shannon contradict himself from his earlier opinion about the holding call in last night's game?
Imo even tho with 3 rings he'd have an argument he needs 4 rings to really be able to compete with Brady/Montana
He’ll never be able to surpass Brady because the 2 times they played each other in the playoffs brady won both of them
That’s a trash take, is Eli Manning ahead of Tom Brady because he couldn’t beat him in the Super Bowl?
QBs don't beat QBs. They play DIFFERENT defenses. Brady himself said this. I suppose Nick Foles is better than Brady then? He is 3-0 against Brady. Eli Manning is 2-0 against Brady.
@@abc_12333 mahomes had the better team both times
@@landondahmen8644 nope. Mahomes' offensive line was injured. How is that the "better team"???? He had to run 497 yards BEHIND the line of scrimmage just to avoid getting sacked. Brady didn't have that issue.
Brady won 3 and they were still saying he not better than Montana so mahomes has 2 so they need have same energy on him
Yep
I think what will ultimately decide it is that Brady had 2 separate dynasties in 2 basically different eras and the 2nd one was at an age where everyone said him and the Patriots were done, Mahomes is for sure gonna go down as a top 2 all time QBs ever
Too early to say that. Mahomes needs 2 more Super Bowl wins.
@@peskypesky Mahomes with 2 is already a top 5 QB ever lol 1 more puts him in the top 3 and he’s definitely not 3 or 1 lol
Shannon will say anything to diminish Bradys career! Mahomes was given the AFC championship game and the SB win...just stop it!!! Ignorance is all you spew shannon..
Everytime a player may threaten skips fav players (MJ,Brady) legacy or may become close he instantly hates and moves the goal post ex: Lebron, Mahomes
dude is nuts 😭
No
Shannon has become a truly great analyst and debater - in moments, when Skip is silently listening instead of being confrontational, I wonder if it is because he is remarking on that in his mind too.
Sorry but I'm distracted at the use of "Star wars numbers" very confused lol
Hurts had the better game. Phillys defense has been shaky for months.
Skips last point has me dying ahhaha saying juju is a number 1 ahha
As a Steelers fan I die of laughter
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Sad to see Brady, Brees, Manning, Roethlisberger, Rivers and Flaco go. But the new batch of NFL QB's looks like will have plenty of great match-ups for years to come again. Mahomes looks like he'll probably be in the drivers seat of the new group.
Just stop with that nonsense. He has a long way to go and Hurt IMO was the MVP of the SB as he had an historic performance.
It's a passing league that's why you see him with incredible stats. Brady played in 2000's were it was more a defensive league. Then 2010s its a passing league.
Brady also had to go through Peyton
Joe Montana... Never lost
@@ladonnaedge9161 bro had a super team all 4x
@@manav374 So Did Manning
Edgerrin James, Marvin Harrison, ,Reggie Wayne, all Hall of Famers... Brady had a revolving door of guys off the street aside for Moss for two seasons and Gronk
His best WR was a college QB
Literally he's thrown a TD pass to 100 different players.
Nobody did more with sub par offensive talent. Even Manning in Denver had a stacked teams. no wonder why Brady only has 3 regular season MVPs
@@manav374 and Mahomes has had a super offense too. Tom Brady first 4 7 years had troy brown, david givens, deion branch, no good running back (Dillon had one good year) you get the point. It wasn't until 2007 Brady finally got better talent around him but he still continued to win after 2011 losing Hernandez, Edelman became his best WR a former college QB
Give Brady Mahomes offensive personel his first 5 seasons he'd have 2 leage MVPs at least with his 3 rings
Damn . Two weeks ago we were talking about if burrow is better than mahomes. Lol
That's the way it is these days. Then Mahomes comes into the SB and wins and everything that was 2 weeks ago goes into oblivion. The cards are reshuffled every year. When you see what happened to Purdy. Injury, prolonged absence. What counts is the performance of the entire active sporting time. In that regard, Tom Brady is unbeatable..
the problem with these versatile QB’s is that their prime level of play is impossible to maintain. Once they get a little older they get washed up. Im not saying that Mahomes wont reach Brady’s level, but unless he switches up his playing style, he’s more likely to be like Russell Wilson than Tom Brady 🤷🏽♂️
Good grief, these GOAT conversations spawned by the sports media for the last decade--if not longer--have gotten too ridiculous. I'm not a Mahomes hater, but let the dude at least put in a decade of work before the hyper-active press crowns him as the greatest thing since chicken soup, or the cure for the common cold. Remember when Rodgers won that Superbowl & he was the next Golden Boy who was going to challenge Montana and Brady--how did that work out.
That's why I loathe these debates--the media is too determined to ride someone's nuts, or they leave too many legends out. Now, I'll just prepare for the next NBA debate where Bill Russell, Magic, Kareem, Kobe and Wilt are never mentioned & it's just LeBron and MJ.... 🙄🙄
Absolutely right. I can just agree with it.
Too early to say if My home boy can reach Brady however he can go down as one of the best. Just because you start quick can also mean you can peak faster.
This man did it in half the time that it took anyone else before him to do it, WOW, that is a smack in the face statement right there. Like Shannon said, ahead of all others by a long shot. Yet they won't understand just how good he is, what he is doing, and the numbers he's putting up cuz their too busy hating on him. Passing the ball, running the ball, in the pocket, and out of the pocket, he does it all and he does it better then the rest. In 5 seasons as a starter, 5 AFC Championship appearances, 3 Super Bowl appearances. and 2 Super Bowl wins and MVP Awards. His skill set is uncompairable, the most talented and best all-around QB to ever wear an NFL jersey. Damn, half the time then all others, wonder what the haters excuses will be about that? To even be discussing if he is a top 3 all time QB at the age of 27 speaks to just how good this man is. He's only 27 and is doing what has never been done. And lets not forget that he beat and put up 38 points on the leagues best defense, hobbling on 1 leg, with Kelce, his primary receiver having only 1 catch in the 2nd half, UNBELIEVEABLE. He's doing what has never been done before and he's doing it in half the time then anyone else.
The game has changed and rules allow for more passing- so numbers can be decieving- and greatness is more than passing stats- its a team sport so ultimate team player is TBrady, PMahomes is starting to be more team player- trajectory stuff is just banter!
Let’s not forget Patrick did this on an obvious BAD ANKLE.
Okay and?
Well he clearly faked it in that game. Got exposed as a flopper.
@@isaacyoung3698 He sure faked. Lmao he was getting hid excuses ready..🤣🤣 After all that, the game gets close and all of the sudden that ankle was just fine.
@@mr.castle right! 😂😂😂
Joe Montana... Never lost
I love watching that kid play but let’s face it, Patrick will be forgotten in 5 years lol
Tom left New England not well he was almost just rounding his Peak Tom still had a lot of football with Belichick is a great coach and they had a good team and for whatever reason he wanted to go to . Tom should goes to Denver or Oakland if he could try to win the FC West if Tom can win the AFC West he's the goat
It's too early. He would need at least five rings to start the conversation, six to be taken seriously. He would need eight to be the GOAT over Tom, and even then, 2021 would be a big stain on his resume.
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Ameeeeeennnn
Even if Mahomes gets 7, he still would have lost the head-to-head Super Bowl against Brady in 2020… Mahomes is basically Lebron 2.0 chasing Jordan. He has the best chance of catching him, but will he?
nah rings are overrated, it's a team sport
Nah, if he gets 2 more he’s the goat, he’s never had as good a team as Brady and he’s way more talented
Didn't he lose to tb12 head to head, twice? Until mahomes wins a SB without Andy Reid he's not in the conversation.
The Mahomes meat riders are actually sick 🤣
Facts lol. Like he’s a beast no doubt and he’s gonna make the hall of fame, but can we get at least 10 years of play first lol
@@tylerriley5976you just seen the first 6 lol you’ll see more of the same the next 4.
@@jake96ist NFL building him up to be the next Brady and nothing we can do about it lol
I think Mahomes needs 4 more Super Bowl appearances and 3 of those need to be championship level performances (meaning he doesn't need to win, he just needs to put his team in position to win) and he needs one or two more league MVPs. He's on the projectory, if he lost that SB it would have been another major setback, but winning puts him in shape to surpass him one day. I still don't think he'll do it because what Tom did was just absurd.
I'm a chiefs fan and getting 7 is ridiculous. He's on year 6 with two. To get just six, he would have to play 18. Based on adverages. That's a monumental task for a guy that everyone is looking to knock off the throne.
Patrick Mahomes needs to go to 5 more Superbowls to be in that conversation
WIN 5 more Super Bowls.
@@peskypesky over a period of time I believe he can do it
As winning super bowls was an individual achievement...
Michael Jordan has 6 championships, Robert Horry has 7......is he better than Jordan?
@@polpol1005 Robert Horry was just a role player
@@polpol1005 If Horry had been the best player on those teams, then yes. He wasn't. He was not the best player even ONCE. Try again.
I love these 2.. Great commentary.
Surprised Shannon didn’t bring up all the rookies Mahomes threw too this year as well. Shannon held this down though 👌