I've been trying to get my head around Pete's system for the last couple of months. This is an extremely valuable video that fills in a lot of missing pieces. Thank you very much. Appreciate time you took to create it and look forward to practicing it with your Gforce swing trainer.
The Gears analysis shows what works & I think that’s great. Translating those movements to individual physiology is difficult. Most of us are poorly trained & victims of misconceptions & repeated bad habits. I think it’s down to the individual to find what works for them in order to produce something close to what is presented on Gears. I think it’s brilliant food for thought & depends largely on where you are with your own swing. Physical feel is one thing but shifting from what has become habit is another. If only this type of information had been available decades ago.
thanks Bill 👍I believe a big part of it is having the correct concepts in your head, which is why Gears is so good to accurately show what is happening, and also backed up by Physics and Mechanics. Ultimately we learn to play golf thorough feel, so following the correct concepts I talk about in my training videos and then using the GForce Swing Trainers for the feel elements of the swing is the real key to progress, thanks
1) the shaft is leaning forwards more at impact which shortens the distance between the clubhead and ground. 2) the left side of the body is extending / pulling upwards away from the ground. They are ploughing into the ground a bit but the ball is hit first and this lowering is why they compress the ball so much better than amateur golfers which gives them more distance and insane ball control. The next question would be what about Driving? The ball is further forward and they are hitting upon the ball, also the spine tilts backwards away from the target more which increases the upward hit, they still do the lowering stuff just like the irons 👍
Thanks, this video is really insightful and I think clarifies what I've been struggling with re understanding Cowen's coiling concept. He says in his spring analogy that the compression occurs before the spring is wound to the top, which I'm guessing initiates the uncoiling at the very bottom and aligns with my more traditional understanding of transition that a slight re-centering and lower body weighty shift occur while the club is still going back. What I struggled with is that in other videos he, and particularly H. Stenson, state that the downward motion of the right shoulder starts the compression and initiates the uncoiling---and you can't have right shoulder going down while the club is still back so the only answer I could think of was that there must be more than one act of compression. Your video thankfully seems to show this. Do I have this right? Does compression during the backswing allow for the weight shift before the downswing and does the further compression from lowering the right shoulder in the downswing not only push the pelvis further back but also add more GFR into the uncoiling ? Sorry for the lengthy question but the more videos I watch on this concept the more subtle inconsistencies occur to me, rightly or wrongly.
The weight shift is in the pelvis/ hips moving towards the target on the backswing and also the spine tilting towards the target. Here is a good video where I explain this using Gears and McIlroys swing as a model... ruclips.net/video/d4V4_yzPVKg/видео.html The downward compression from the body in the backswing which you can see in the video you commented on, pushes the tailbone / pelvis backwards out of the way, giving you space for your arms and club to come through, and adds more GFR as you say. The right shoulder is "Loaded" in Transition like a boxer loads his shoulders to deliver the blow, then there is a downward unloading of the shoulder, hope that explains everything :-)
Stuart, very interesting video as always. Pete didn’t really talk about lowering in the backswing only during the transition. Clearly the Gears image starts lowering at the start of the takeaway. Is the lowering in the early part of the swing a necessary component as long as the lowering occurs in transition?
now i am conflicted-- showing on gears that hips go down--i always try to pull right hip up and back-like trying to start an engine pull cord----confused ?
the hips do go back and up but downwards at the same time, the measurement on gears is from the centre of the pelvis which is midway between the left and right hip, just lower your body as you swing back and down 👍
I appreciate and value your analyses but isn’t it the body which “compresses down” - largely through flexion of ankles, knees, hips, and spine that causes the head to drop. The phraseology, “compressing from the head” Is a bit confusing because the head has no independent motive capacity, I think it might be clearer if you said “compress from the head down” which implicates the whole body.
If you watch as the spine starts to come back up, the head is staying down, so the question would be what is keeping it down..? Otherwise the head would come up with the spine..
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I've been trying to get my head around Pete's system for the last couple of months. This is an extremely valuable video that fills in a lot of missing pieces. Thank you very much. Appreciate time you took to create it and look forward to practicing it with your Gforce swing trainer.
The Gears analysis shows what works & I think that’s great. Translating those movements to individual physiology is difficult. Most of us are poorly trained & victims of misconceptions & repeated bad habits. I think it’s down to the individual to find what works for them in order to produce something close to what is presented on Gears. I think it’s brilliant food for thought & depends largely on where you are with your own swing. Physical feel is one thing but shifting from what has become habit is another. If only this type of information had been available decades ago.
thanks Bill 👍I believe a big part of it is having the correct concepts in your head, which is why Gears is so good to accurately show what is happening, and also backed up by Physics and Mechanics. Ultimately we learn to play golf thorough feel, so following the correct concepts I talk about in my training videos and then using the GForce Swing Trainers for the feel elements of the swing is the real key to progress, thanks
If the head and hips lower during the backswing to create a coiling effect, why in transition does the club not plough into the ground at impact?
1) the shaft is leaning forwards more at impact which shortens the distance between the clubhead and ground. 2) the left side of the body is extending / pulling upwards away from the ground. They are ploughing into the ground a bit but the ball is hit first and this lowering is why they compress the ball so much better than amateur golfers which gives them more distance and insane ball control.
The next question would be what about Driving? The ball is further forward and they are hitting upon the ball, also the spine tilts backwards away from the target more which increases the upward hit, they still do the lowering stuff just like the irons 👍
Thanks, this video is really insightful and I think clarifies what I've been struggling with re understanding Cowen's coiling concept. He says in his spring analogy that the compression occurs before the spring is wound to the top, which I'm guessing initiates the uncoiling at the very bottom and aligns with my more traditional understanding of transition that a slight re-centering and lower body weighty shift occur while the club is still going back. What I struggled with is that in other videos he, and particularly H. Stenson, state that the downward motion of the right shoulder starts the compression and initiates the uncoiling---and you can't have right shoulder going down while the club is still back so the only answer I could think of was that there must be more than one act of compression. Your video thankfully seems to show this. Do I have this right? Does compression during the backswing allow for the weight shift before the downswing and does the further compression from lowering the right shoulder in the downswing not only push the pelvis further back but also add more GFR into the uncoiling ?
Sorry for the lengthy question but the more videos I watch on this concept the more subtle inconsistencies occur to me, rightly or wrongly.
The weight shift is in the pelvis/ hips moving towards the target on the backswing and also the spine tilting towards the target. Here is a good video where I explain this using Gears and McIlroys swing as a model...
ruclips.net/video/d4V4_yzPVKg/видео.html
The downward compression from the body in the backswing which you can see in the video you commented on, pushes the tailbone / pelvis backwards out of the way, giving you space for your arms and club to come through, and adds more GFR as you say.
The right shoulder is "Loaded" in Transition like a boxer loads his shoulders to deliver the blow, then there is a downward unloading of the shoulder, hope that explains everything :-)
Thx, that really helps clarify the weight shift v the compression(s) for me.
Stuart, very interesting video as always. Pete didn’t really talk about lowering in the backswing only during the transition. Clearly the Gears image starts lowering at the start of the takeaway. Is the lowering in the early part of the swing a necessary component as long as the lowering occurs in transition?
Hi Dave, the truth is in the GEARS :-) you should be lowering from the takeaway, the left / lead side lowers from the very beginning swing 👍👍
now i am conflicted-- showing on gears that hips go down--i always try to pull right hip up and back-like trying to start an engine pull cord----confused ?
the hips do go back and up but downwards at the same time, the measurement on gears is from the centre of the pelvis which is midway between the left and right hip, just lower your body as you swing back and down 👍
I appreciate and value your analyses but isn’t it the body which “compresses down” - largely through flexion of ankles, knees, hips, and spine that causes the head to drop. The phraseology, “compressing from the head” Is a bit confusing because the head has no independent motive capacity, I think it might be clearer if you said “compress from the head down” which implicates the whole body.
If you watch as the spine starts to come back up, the head is staying down, so the question would be what is keeping it down..? Otherwise the head would come up with the spine..
You can see the great Mike Dunaway making these moves in the montage below.
ruclips.net/video/7S6qNvyhMNk/видео.html
yes you can see the head dropping like Tiger did👍Its just a shame that most golfers are coached out of it and told to keep their head up :-(
Thanks for suggesting this: quite a beautiful video!
Great link to Mike Runaway’s excellent golf swing.