Thank you for the visual and detailed explanation of what Pete Cowen is preaching, loading the shoulders. Even though we have all hit fades, draws, or straight, I could not tell you what caused a particular shot. Now with this discussion I have seen the light, thank you.
Good to watch you in the US. I’m 81 Ben playing sense I was 24 still learning have been down several rabbit holes but theirs no give up in me.keep up the good work .
Great content. I would offer one addition... if you pravtice loading for a "Straight" ball you will discover your personal "Miss" (draw or fade). This will then determine your personal loading for "Your Miss" ... and then you can learn to play for that shot shape.
Hi. This is the first time I have seen Gforce. My first impression is that I can't tell if you are hitting a fade or draw ar hitting it straight because you are hitting it into a net rather than a simulator that shows us your ball flight. Looking at your swing its hard to tell the difference between your fade and draw swing at times apart from the fact that you are aiming at different parts of some green material. This is meant as honest feedback rather than criticism.
Hi Stuart… another great instructional vlog. I noticed at the end there was heart felt plea for golfers to buy into Gforce, your methods and support through your library of vlogs. I watched a vlog with Pete Cowan and commented that just 15min a day practice would have a huge effect on your golf game but sadly people are not interested. I am a swim coach working with National and international swimmers I have also been mentored by elite world class coach’s. I can’t get job in British swimming because as soon as you start to tell them that it takes at least five years to structure a club properly and to retrain all teachers they don’t want to know. It took Sir Alex Ferguson four years at the biggest club in the world to get it right. Derby County sacked Brian Clough and Rafa Benitez was not good enough for Everton. It beggars belief. Gforce is the best out there take it from me… thank you.
thanks Paul 👍I remember as a junior going to the club at 8am and leaving at 10pm, 3 rounds of golf and practice on the range, that's what it takes. I think a lot of golfers are chasing that daily tip / tips on RUclips hoping that it will change everything, but it wont. Everyone has probably got a nett at home now so finding 10 minutes a day and working on 3 key elements will make a huge difference, the time saving going to the range should be put back into home practice to fine tune the golf swing, multiply the 10 minutes 3 or 4 times a day would be a game changer, just focusing on feels and contact, golfers need to feel their swing and stop thinking about it. I was lucky enough the other night to have coaching from a Olympic rower, she broke it down into 3 simple movements 1) what the arms do, 2) the upper body pivot 3) legs. We did each move individually and blended it together with fluidity, that was it , now its just practicing golf is no different :-)
Tried this shot shaping method yesterday on the golf coarse and it worked very well I didn’t need to close or open my stance though Also how do you shape shots for three quarter and half swings then?
Can I assume that the fade will go less than the straight ball and the opposite with the draw? So it makes sense to club up, at least on the fade shot? Thanks. Great explanation.
@@gforcegolf 👋🏻Stuart. Andrée here, an owner of your 7-iron and Driver. I'll go into some detail and offer my opinion since I'm highly sympathetic to your struggles in helping people get better at golf. Pete has been at it for a while, and I'm sure he has some substantial insights concerning the golf swing. But in my mind, he is an average coach at best. He is often rambling, or he uses expressions and words that mean a lot to him but doesn't communicate anything to someone who doesn't know what he is talking about. A great coach needs to be a top communicator and has to be able to explain foreign concepts, assuming zero knowledge, to anyone. He is only half the coach of Chuck Quinton if you ask me. Pete is largely enjoying "world's best coach" due to creators wanting to milk the RUclips algorithm. Another Golf creator/coach Danny Maude had a live session with Pete, but it wasn't until he released his own 'after the fact' video explaining "OK, so this is what Pete meant" that the previous video made sense to most people watching. "Loading the shoulders" doesn't mean anything. It's not actionable. Just like "spinning the arms" has endless meanings. Needless to say, it DOES mean something to Pete. It may, or may not mean the same to you. At least you clarify what you mean by showing your interpretation of the connection to the swing plane. Compare the following coaching instructions: "For a fade, load the shoulders for a fade. For a draw, load the shoulders for a draw". (non-actionable) Versus: "For a fade, swing steep, slightly from outside in. For a draw, swing flat, slightly inside to out. For straight, split the difference." (actionable). When it comes to your products, I still don't think I've seen a video that explains WHY the soft shafts work for correcting many swing faults. I'm very familiar with the law of the flail. I know that pulling on a certain hinge construction will always lead to the club head seeking its 'in line' condition "due to physics", regardless of how hard you pull. But why is it that everyone hits it to the right, to begin with? What misconceptions are being corrected when we learn to tame the soft shafts? Do people typically not release the club soon enough? Are we not decelerating the body early enough, letting the club head overtake? Do we typically apply power along the wrong axis, leading the club to bend improperly? Since everybody hits it to the right in the beginning, what ONE THING is it that everybody does wrong? I have a feeling you might have already done this video, so can you please re-link it 🙏🏻 Just make sure it isn't a 'Pete Cowen' explanation that makes sense only to you. It has to be easy to follow both from a scientific perspective as well as from an 'actionable information perspective'. If you do have an older video, but an update could be justified, please consider making one. RUclips loves new content. Q: What mistake does everyone make and what exactly do the soft shafts force us to do?
@@AndreeMarkefors thanks for your comments Anders👍I think Pete's best video was the Hideki Video below, because he was forced to simplify it because of the language barrier, I often think this is probably the best way to go about coaching, communicate as if the student is foreign. I appreciate your input and you make some very good points, let me find the videos which I will post here soon, and I will also plan a new video based on your ideas, thanks ruclips.net/video/JsJhQEJBE5Y/видео.htmlsi=7_xOLGOVw9OcnTYl
@@AndreeMarkefors There are 2 reasons why golfers miss to the right, 1) a lot of golfers will be applying force along the wrong axis e.g over the top / out to in path (most amateurs) or too far in to out (most pros) so this creates more droop in the flexible shaft flattening the lie angle, which opens the face, this is one of the main reasons why most golfers miss to the right, so they need to address the transition issue first, to swing the club relatively on plane. 2) The Release, golfers are trying to lean the shaft or get open with their hips which is causing a lot of the issues. As you mention, not decelerating the body correctly. The hands / arms / body need to decelerate so the club can catch up and release, the gforce shaft will unload and square up the face this way. Trying to get open fast in transition or leaning the shaft will cause the shaft to improperly bend. With the gforce make a small swing and stop at impact and you will see the shaft kick forwards, notice how the face is squaring up this way, if you didn't stop and keep on accelerating or forcing the club through with either your body or hands and arms the shaft would not kick, it would kick eventually but too late (Open Face) I cover both in this Faults and Fixes video below, any questions just ask 👍 ruclips.net/video/VBH7Aa9x_mY/видео.htmlsi=P2hqc0QdMEBKNwdY
@@gforcegolf Thanks! I'd say my main issue would probably be 'holding off the release' and/or a little bit of 'handle dragging' in a misguided effort to create lag and power. I am interested in working with the clubs to optimize my release and maintain distance while making a "smaller swing" (meaning less forceful upper body rotation). That said, as a self-taught, 50-year-old recreational player hitting Ping i230 normal lofted 7-iron 180 yds, I think I'm already in the 'correct spot'. I don't need more distance, but it's always nice if I can go the same distance with less effort. I've hit more shots to the right, than straight ones, with the clubs so far, and making the necessary changes would probably feel very awkward. So in order to stick with the program I need very clear "scientific/biomechanical proof" backing it up.
did you try the motions Pete showed at the end of the previous video?I took it to the range and was able to draw fade draw fade ad nauseam for the first time ever. Didn't have to over work my arms at all - just took it back differently as he described. 4:19 in the part 1 for a draw. 4:32 for the fade. I really felt and see a difference EDIT: To clarify I think THIS videos at 2:11 is particularly WRONG. Its not about where your arms are at the top - its about HOW your shoulder muscles rotated and loaded to get there and how they're going to unload FROM there. Golf Swing is a movement - not static. You couldn't do a consistent fade if you started with intention to hit a straight shot and then just moved your arms higher once you took them to a neutral top position.
Can’t you just play draws and fades with set up, ball back in the the stance for a draw, ball forward in the stance for a fade? Catching the ball back in the arc or forward in the arc. Changing the swing for each shot seems like a lot of work.
@@maeu59 I think its preference. I also think if you're a good ball-striker and have developed a reliable system for yourself there's probably a tonne of things your body is doing differently in-between each swing. Humans are far more athletic than we give ourselves credit for. Tiger talked about how he felt different hand feels and ball alignment between draw and fade, high and low. Many people have taken footage of him and showed (as much as video can show) that he was doing many things differently, not just hand and ball position. Perhaps it was the ball position that caused his body to react differently - but it whatever it was, it worked. Don't go digging into your technique if your technique works. Its very possible to lead yourself astray because you don't have faith/confidence in your abilities. More people have ruined their golf games through excessive tinkering than then number that have gotten themselves into a better place I am sure.
This is exactly what they mean...They are not talking about shoulder TURN, which actually is more about how the spine turns coupled with shoulder protraction/retraction (which is more about the scapulo-thoracic joint and acromio-clavicular joint). They're talking about loading the shoulders. Loading the shoulders is more about the height at which the humerus bone and glenohumeral joint is set in the shoulder joint, not about how much the shoulders axis is turned.
Loads of good players can get the instruction draw or fade at the top of their backswing (eg Bubba Watson). So I don’t really get how this would be done if they would have to load their shoulders different since they are already there? I think there is a lot of interpretation here and some things lost in translation.
Thank you for the visual and detailed explanation of what Pete Cowen is preaching, loading the shoulders. Even though we have all hit fades, draws, or straight, I could not tell you what caused a particular shot. Now with this discussion I have seen the light, thank you.
Good to watch you in the US. I’m 81 Ben playing sense I was 24 still learning have been down several rabbit holes but theirs no give up in me.keep up the good work .
For some reason focussing on my scaps to load and release my arms/shoulders is working really well for me
Great content. I would offer one addition... if you pravtice loading for a "Straight" ball you will discover your personal "Miss" (draw or fade). This will then determine your personal loading for "Your Miss" ... and then you can learn to play for that shot shape.
Hi. This is the first time I have seen Gforce. My first impression is that I can't tell if you are hitting a fade or draw ar hitting it straight because you are hitting it into a net rather than a simulator that shows us your ball flight. Looking at your swing its hard to tell the difference between your fade and draw swing at times apart from the fact that you are aiming at different parts of some green material. This is meant as honest feedback rather than criticism.
Hi Stuart… another great instructional vlog. I noticed at the end there was heart felt plea for golfers to buy into Gforce, your methods and support through your library of vlogs. I watched a vlog with Pete Cowan and commented that just 15min a day practice would have a huge effect on your golf game but sadly people are not interested. I am a swim coach working with National and international swimmers I have also been mentored by elite world class coach’s. I can’t get job in British swimming because as soon as you start to tell them that it takes at least five years to structure a club properly and to retrain all teachers they don’t want to know. It took Sir Alex Ferguson four years at the biggest club in the world to get it right. Derby County sacked Brian Clough and Rafa Benitez was not good enough for Everton. It beggars belief.
Gforce is the best out there take it from me… thank you.
thanks Paul 👍I remember as a junior going to the club at 8am and leaving at 10pm, 3 rounds of golf and practice on the range, that's what it takes. I think a lot of golfers are chasing that daily tip / tips on RUclips hoping that it will change everything, but it wont. Everyone has probably got a nett at home now so finding 10 minutes a day and working on 3 key elements will make a huge difference, the time saving going to the range should be put back into home practice to fine tune the golf swing, multiply the 10 minutes 3 or 4 times a day would be a game changer, just focusing on feels and contact, golfers need to feel their swing and stop thinking about it.
I was lucky enough the other night to have coaching from a Olympic rower, she broke it down into 3 simple movements 1) what the arms do, 2) the upper body pivot 3) legs. We did each move individually and blended it together with fluidity, that was it , now its just practicing golf is no different :-)
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Great explanation on the shoulders just so i am clear for a fad you must be slightly open right
that's correct 👍
What are the the wrists and club doing target side of the ball?
Tried this shot shaping method yesterday on the golf coarse and it worked very well
I didn’t need to close or open my stance though
Also how do you shape shots for three quarter and half swings then?
Just the same, varying length of swing. Best thing is to go to the range and try it out 👍
Can I assume that the fade will go less than the straight ball and the opposite with the draw? So it makes sense to club up, at least on the fade shot? Thanks. Great explanation.
yes that is correct, just club up on the Fade, thanks
Seems to me your swing is a handsy swing, not the throwing of the arms into the ball with locked wrists per Peter. Would you agree?
Im.a bit confused
The interviewer in the first video isn't the guy giving instructions in the second
You're aiming your feet as well. Is that necessary?
Yes, feet left for fade, right for draw etc...
what do you actually load the shoulders with
Pete Cowen explains it in this video 👍
ruclips.net/video/KcAlSwxae70/видео.htmlsi=8FwFnAV0gSVcBX1E
@@gforcegolf 👋🏻Stuart. Andrée here, an owner of your 7-iron and Driver. I'll go into some detail and offer my opinion since I'm highly sympathetic to your struggles in helping people get better at golf. Pete has been at it for a while, and I'm sure he has some substantial insights concerning the golf swing. But in my mind, he is an average coach at best. He is often rambling, or he uses expressions and words that mean a lot to him but doesn't communicate anything to someone who doesn't know what he is talking about. A great coach needs to be a top communicator and has to be able to explain foreign concepts, assuming zero knowledge, to anyone. He is only half the coach of Chuck Quinton if you ask me. Pete is largely enjoying "world's best coach" due to creators wanting to milk the RUclips algorithm.
Another Golf creator/coach Danny Maude had a live session with Pete, but it wasn't until he released his own 'after the fact' video explaining "OK, so this is what Pete meant" that the previous video made sense to most people watching. "Loading the shoulders" doesn't mean anything. It's not actionable. Just like "spinning the arms" has endless meanings. Needless to say, it DOES mean something to Pete. It may, or may not mean the same to you. At least you clarify what you mean by showing your interpretation of the connection to the swing plane.
Compare the following coaching instructions:
"For a fade, load the shoulders for a fade. For a draw, load the shoulders for a draw". (non-actionable)
Versus:
"For a fade, swing steep, slightly from outside in. For a draw, swing flat, slightly inside to out. For straight, split the difference." (actionable).
When it comes to your products, I still don't think I've seen a video that explains WHY the soft shafts work for correcting many swing faults. I'm very familiar with the law of the flail. I know that pulling on a certain hinge construction will always lead to the club head seeking its 'in line' condition "due to physics", regardless of how hard you pull. But why is it that everyone hits it to the right, to begin with? What misconceptions are being corrected when we learn to tame the soft shafts? Do people typically not release the club soon enough? Are we not decelerating the body early enough, letting the club head overtake? Do we typically apply power along the wrong axis, leading the club to bend improperly? Since everybody hits it to the right in the beginning, what ONE THING is it that everybody does wrong?
I have a feeling you might have already done this video, so can you please re-link it 🙏🏻 Just make sure it isn't a 'Pete Cowen' explanation that makes sense only to you. It has to be easy to follow both from a scientific perspective as well as from an 'actionable information perspective'.
If you do have an older video, but an update could be justified, please consider making one. RUclips loves new content.
Q: What mistake does everyone make and what exactly do the soft shafts force us to do?
@@AndreeMarkefors thanks for your comments Anders👍I think Pete's best video was the Hideki Video below, because he was forced to simplify it because of the language barrier, I often think this is probably the best way to go about coaching, communicate as if the student is foreign. I appreciate your input and you make some very good points, let me find the videos which I will post here soon, and I will also plan a new video based on your ideas, thanks
ruclips.net/video/JsJhQEJBE5Y/видео.htmlsi=7_xOLGOVw9OcnTYl
@@AndreeMarkefors There are 2 reasons why golfers miss to the right, 1) a lot of golfers will be applying force along the wrong axis e.g over the top / out to in path (most amateurs) or too far in to out (most pros) so this creates more droop in the flexible shaft flattening the lie angle, which opens the face, this is one of the main reasons why most golfers miss to the right, so they need to address the transition issue first, to swing the club relatively on plane.
2) The Release, golfers are trying to lean the shaft or get open with their hips which is causing a lot of the issues. As you mention, not decelerating the body correctly. The hands / arms / body need to decelerate so the club can catch up and release, the gforce shaft will unload and square up the face this way. Trying to get open fast in transition or leaning the shaft will cause the shaft to improperly bend.
With the gforce make a small swing and stop at impact and you will see the shaft kick forwards, notice how the face is squaring up this way, if you didn't stop and keep on accelerating or forcing the club through with either your body or hands and arms the shaft would not kick, it would kick eventually but too late (Open Face)
I cover both in this Faults and Fixes video below, any questions just ask 👍
ruclips.net/video/VBH7Aa9x_mY/видео.htmlsi=P2hqc0QdMEBKNwdY
@@gforcegolf Thanks!
I'd say my main issue would probably be 'holding off the release' and/or a little bit of 'handle dragging' in a misguided effort to create lag and power.
I am interested in working with the clubs to optimize my release and maintain distance while making a "smaller swing" (meaning less forceful upper body rotation).
That said, as a self-taught, 50-year-old recreational player hitting Ping i230 normal lofted 7-iron 180 yds, I think I'm already in the 'correct spot'. I don't need more distance, but it's always nice if I can go the same distance with less effort.
I've hit more shots to the right, than straight ones, with the clubs so far, and making the necessary changes would probably feel very awkward. So in order to stick with the program I need very clear "scientific/biomechanical proof" backing it up.
The shoulders are turned the same for draw and fade, the change is the hands and arm heights . Strikes me as nonsense “load the shoulders”
did you try the motions Pete showed at the end of the previous video?I took it to the range and was able to draw fade draw fade ad nauseam for the first time ever. Didn't have to over work my arms at all - just took it back differently as he described. 4:19 in the part 1 for a draw. 4:32 for the fade.
I really felt and see a difference
EDIT: To clarify I think THIS videos at 2:11 is particularly WRONG. Its not about where your arms are at the top - its about HOW your shoulder muscles rotated and loaded to get there and how they're going to unload FROM there. Golf Swing is a movement - not static. You couldn't do a consistent fade if you started with intention to hit a straight shot and then just moved your arms higher once you took them to a neutral top position.
Can’t you just play draws and fades with set up, ball back in the the stance for a draw, ball forward in the stance for a fade? Catching the ball back in the arc or forward in the arc. Changing the swing for each shot seems like a lot of work.
@@maeu59 I think its preference. I also think if you're a good ball-striker and have developed a reliable system for yourself there's probably a tonne of things your body is doing differently in-between each swing. Humans are far more athletic than we give ourselves credit for. Tiger talked about how he felt different hand feels and ball alignment between draw and fade, high and low. Many people have taken footage of him and showed (as much as video can show) that he was doing many things differently, not just hand and ball position. Perhaps it was the ball position that caused his body to react differently - but it whatever it was, it worked.
Don't go digging into your technique if your technique works. Its very possible to lead yourself astray because you don't have faith/confidence in your abilities. More people have ruined their golf games through excessive tinkering than then number that have gotten themselves into a better place I am sure.
This is exactly what they mean...They are not talking about shoulder TURN, which actually is more about how the spine turns coupled with shoulder protraction/retraction (which is more about the scapulo-thoracic joint and acromio-clavicular joint). They're talking about loading the shoulders. Loading the shoulders is more about the height at which the humerus bone and glenohumeral joint is set in the shoulder joint, not about how much the shoulders axis is turned.
Loads of good players can get the instruction draw or fade at the top of their backswing (eg Bubba Watson). So I don’t really get how this would be done if they would have to load their shoulders different since they are already there? I think there is a lot of interpretation here and some things lost in translation.