Really gonna miss her more collected sounding less gritty, but more monotone & deeper voice. Gave such cold feel to her. Which is appropriate. That's Nina. Nina's cold. Her voice now almost feels Anna-esque.
So disappointed about evil mist, it's so useless now they could have removed it directly from her movelist... at least make a b1,4 guaranteed follow up if it connects just like they did for ch b4
Finally, someone analyzed Tekken 8 Nina and compared it with Tekken 7 Nina for good. I think she is heavily nerfed in Tekken 8. Many of her old useful moves were either removed, changed properties, or replaced with new moves completely. It's really a shame.
She's like a gutted version of T7 Nina. The bulk of her main CH tools are either heavily neutered or removed, the changes to her combo structure have shortened her butterfly loops and limited her wall carry enders. Her heat mechanic relies on mostly non-jailing high gun moves and she's generally more string heavy and committal. The only truly meaningful buff I've seen on her so far, is her SS1 hitbox seems significantly bigger. So her wall pressure is still going strong, minus the loss of the d/f+1+2 mid splat option. It feels like her core identity has been toned down in favour of... pew pew. I'm still hype for her, but I do hope she gets a little bit of a tune up prior to release. She's lost significantly more than she's gained in the jump to T8 =/
As a nina main, actually not all her moves are nerfed to beyond useless. She got several buffs also. Like ws3 is now auto grapple without the need to press 1+2. Then when doing qcf, she can go directly to geyser cannon by pressing 3+4 (can be done from d2 also). Another thing is during qcf she can also do f 1+2 (power crush) which gives her a good anti jab from enemy when utilizing her ss1 pressure. Her df 3 string now have additional mid follow up (previously all her 2nd hit was high, a good player could easily crouch punish that), but somehow I hope there's a 3rd follow up by adding 4 after df 3,3 so it will look like her b3,4 (they even use the same animation). Her chain grapples are now much easier to perform and according to some sources, when enemy escapes her chain grapple, they wont deal dmg to her anymore. Also I found her heat very strong. Can be used to pressure enemy more while dealing tons of dmg. Her b1+2 seems lame during heat, but on wall when timed correctly the dmg will be scary as heck (and also it puts nina on crouching state which can be 50 50 into mid or low move) That's all I think about her. Played her during CNT and she's not that bad. Some moves got nerfed, some got buffed. But still the evil mist nerf is so bs 😬, hope it was a dev oversight and they will update it later on. Cheers!
@edwinl9007 the thing is that her major moves were nerfed. Her gameplay suits as beginner spam friendly player who wants to shoot guns and that’s all. In reality her guns are very bad, all of them are locked behind non jailing strings and are high.
Probably the only returning character who seems to be objectively worse in Tekken 8. The addition of chip damage is the only thing of real note that she got. The guns give a ton of wall carry, but since Nina herself stays in place it doesn't mean a whole lot unless you're right by the wall to begin with.
Omg she got hella nerfed !!! Ch b4 what the hell man ! Evil mist what a joke like she says, nothing guaranteed… even the imputs of her moves it’s like « for a child » to play her… and btw the smoke is not even coming out of her mouth correctly in the animation 😂 They clearly have other plans for her in the future which is to get rid of her 😢 that’s what I feel… what do you guys think ?
As a Williams sister player you already know I’m livid…. I put in work with Nina . Now I can’t use in her current state…. I did say she would be nerfed even before the beta dropped. So disappointed. I don’t even know what they are going to do with Zafina and xiaoyu im not Impressed with her backturned pressure…. Her backturned moves are scarier in Tekken 7.
whoever thought having guns as part of her main kit should be reported and fired from the development team. It’s weird and kills immersion 😒 It could’ve been a secret move or an item move instead.
They nerfed her toooooooooo much either way did you notice in Story, Nina was attacking the Urban Square along with Jack 8 and Jack 7 forces (Jack is produced by G-Corp) and Kazuya was also destroying Urban Square in 1st gameplay trailer, Why is Nina working for Kazuya now? I mean she did once in TekkenXStreetFighter but that was just part of her plan, Jack 7s can also be seen attacking at Yakushima where Xiayuo, Jin and Jun are.
@@oldschoolninamain9138 don’t make it a character thing. They could’ve let Anna play her role and allow people to see a different side of her that does not revolve around her sister but didn’t want to because the devs prefer Nina.
I still don't understand why the did that to Evil Mist. I'm fine with removing launching properties, but nothing guaranteed at all? Isn't it completely useless now?
I've played Nina only since T4 (I played everyone in T3, who didn't) and I still don't know how I feel about her in this game. WTF is up with all her CH launchers getting nerfed too, like she needed that, B4 CH /SS4 CH were super useful
So have I and she looks and looks like she will play shit. T5 Nina was peak Nina and now she's been shit on. Look at the Tekken anime, she got beaten by fucking Xiaoyu 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
what da hell use do you even have for the Evil Mist now? like what's the point if no follow ups? and why change the input...just should have kept the same properties and input
I'm so saddened because now learning this and planning to get my ps4, I'm not excited for my favorite character. The soccer mom bob isn't doing it for me, her seemingly non Nina aura, the list of move sets you demonstrated here... Sigh. Big sigh. Hopefully they do something soon
this is eexcatly what I said on my comments that nina , lily looks weak on T8 , but people keep telling me that nina is top tier and same for lily .......... dudes dsnt kknow their own chars
I know a lot of people are saying these are nerfs which I agree but this video of Nina best highlights the system change that they are going for. Keep in mind this change effects everyone across the board. Less ch options all around
Ch 4,4 into d4,1 pick up works only on king, jack and jun. The rest for some reason it doesn't work. Her ch 4 is probably the most nerfed since she has to commit to the whole string and risk getting launched for only 42-44 dmg while other either get a full launch or have a risk free ch 4 into guaranteed hit for similar damage.
I advice you to make a video " Is jun way too OP in Tekken 8 " Spoiler : it's the case I've checked here for a while in the training mod of the hack, and she's like Leroy at his release Homing highs that have insane frames on block and hit Fast Counter hit launcher mid Dr4 is a better 3+4 than bryan himself Too much good lows Hellsweeps Unstoppable strings Absurd damages EVERYTHING You can check here frame while activing the CPU record
Even after 4 seasons of buffs in t7 I don't think she can crack the top 20 let alone the top 15. She's the ultimate scrub killer, but she completely falls apart at high level of play. The last time Nina was top tier was probably around t5.0 days like 20 years ago. Her t8 version is even weaker than her t7 version, whereas everyone else was buffed to high heavens.
@@rasaa7227 she doesn't fall apart at high level.. df1 tracks to one side and has a million extensions, b22 marking, amazing counters, markings in general at different frames like b22 db2 to mix it up.. Her lows are phenomenal she excels alot, Nina players are just like Jin players not aware of how good their characters are
@@rasaa7227 I can talk about Nina all day, uf2 easy hit confirm, do you think moves like df1+2 are bad? Her wall carry and more.. What more do you exactly need and want from her?
@@JustAnte9557 her df1 is decent at best. Bad range and barely tracks. What million extenions? df1,2,3_1+2 for mid options that don't track and both are -14 on block and df1,2,4 is high and doesn't track. b22 is nice, but again bad range. db2 is good on paper, but it magically loses its range against half the cast when they move. The hitbox is bugged. df1+2 again bad range and the hitbox is messed up it doesn't even wallsplat close to the wall. Even that is nerfed in t8 as it does nothing now neither normal hit nor on ch. Even the pushback is reduced on block making it a pointless move. uf2,1 is NOT hit confirmable, let alone an easy hit confirm. Don't get me wrong she is not a bad character at all, but she's not THAT good to crack the top 15. And she's definitely no Jin for that matter. He's way stronger. Also like 80% of the cast have long wall carry in t7 and the stages aren't that big anyway. And t8 kinda nerfed most of the things that were strong with her, especially her ch tools without giving her anything to compensate for the loss. Her t8 magic 4 is probably among the worst. She risks getting launched if she goes for the extension and the juggle only works on 3 characters from the cnt ones. ch b4 is destroyed. Half ch game is gone.
@@JustAnte9557 even top players would tell you she is not worth playing at high level. There have beeb very very few who managed to get results with her in t7 in big tournaments, one of them being Jodd, and even he thinks she's crap in t8.
I hope they don’t change much moves I like in tekken 7. I like the screws, launchers, spins, splat, etc. I don’t like the enemy being far from me especially the gun moves
T8 is not better at all…. They made Nina just carbage unless they change and fix her back like T7… no way What have they done…I’am not feeling this i don’t think people Should buy T8 this T8 Will be the worse in history…😢
Shifting from CH->launch->guaranteed damage to no CH/plus frames->mix up is definitely the main focus of T8.
Not sure about b4, but evil mist used to give nose bleed stun, which was somewhat breakable (you could fall to the ground with down input).
Do you think it's a more poke based system is what they're going for?
Really gonna miss her more collected sounding less gritty, but more monotone & deeper voice. Gave such cold feel to her. Which is appropriate. That's Nina. Nina's cold. Her voice now almost feels Anna-esque.
Yeah they screwed her voice up a little but overall still looks great.
Same! I miss all her into/win quotes from T4/T5 also.
@@oldschoolninamain9138I loved T4 Nina.. so many characters lost their awesome win poses including my guy kazuya..
@@oldschoolninamain9138The one where she she kicks her defeated opponent and stares down with killing intent .. T6 Looked too good
I like how the color of the words changes during the clips. Nice detail!
Damn, they did my poor girl wrong this time...*sips on coffee mug*
So disappointed about evil mist, it's so useless now they could have removed it directly from her movelist... at least make a b1,4 guaranteed follow up if it connects just like they did for ch b4
Agree with you, she is trash in T8 don’t care her looks :,(
why the fuck would you nerf evil mist
it was a literal nothing move
Finally, someone analyzed Tekken 8 Nina and compared it with Tekken 7 Nina for good. I think she is heavily nerfed in Tekken 8. Many of her old useful moves were either removed, changed properties, or replaced with new moves completely. It's really a shame.
I wouldn't wanna get launched by million of her strings and never play the game goddamn was she annoying asf
Nah this is good change
Yeah you are I don't like this Nerf it's not a fair
She's like a gutted version of T7 Nina.
The bulk of her main CH tools are either heavily neutered or removed, the changes to her combo structure have shortened her butterfly loops and limited her wall carry enders. Her heat mechanic relies on mostly non-jailing high gun moves and she's generally more string heavy and committal.
The only truly meaningful buff I've seen on her so far, is her SS1 hitbox seems significantly bigger. So her wall pressure is still going strong, minus the loss of the d/f+1+2 mid splat option.
It feels like her core identity has been toned down in favour of... pew pew.
I'm still hype for her, but I do hope she gets a little bit of a tune up prior to release. She's lost significantly more than she's gained in the jump to T8 =/
Gaming has won with this one 🎉
As a nina main, actually not all her moves are nerfed to beyond useless. She got several buffs also. Like ws3 is now auto grapple without the need to press 1+2.
Then when doing qcf, she can go directly to geyser cannon by pressing 3+4 (can be done from d2 also).
Another thing is during qcf she can also do f 1+2 (power crush) which gives her a good anti jab from enemy when utilizing her ss1 pressure.
Her df 3 string now have additional mid follow up (previously all her 2nd hit was high, a good player could easily crouch punish that), but somehow I hope there's a 3rd follow up by adding 4 after df 3,3 so it will look like her b3,4 (they even use the same animation).
Her chain grapples are now much easier to perform and according to some sources, when enemy escapes her chain grapple, they wont deal dmg to her anymore.
Also I found her heat very strong. Can be used to pressure enemy more while dealing tons of dmg. Her b1+2 seems lame during heat, but on wall when timed correctly the dmg will be scary as heck (and also it puts nina on crouching state which can be 50 50 into mid or low move)
That's all I think about her. Played her during CNT and she's not that bad. Some moves got nerfed, some got buffed. But still the evil mist nerf is so bs 😬, hope it was a dev oversight and they will update it later on. Cheers!
Another thing... Her guns do crap ton of chip damage too.. really a scrub killer & probably useless in higher ranks
@@BlondeVoyage12her guns are high and locked behind strings
@edwinl9007 the thing is that her major moves were nerfed. Her gameplay suits as beginner spam friendly player who wants to shoot guns and that’s all. In reality her guns are very bad, all of them are locked behind non jailing strings and are high.
*Tekken 7: Doesn't use gun*
*Tekken 8: Uses guns*
*"Nerfed"*
お前本当あほよな、
What?☠️
Probably the only returning character who seems to be objectively worse in Tekken 8. The addition of chip damage is the only thing of real note that she got. The guns give a ton of wall carry, but since Nina herself stays in place it doesn't mean a whole lot unless you're right by the wall to begin with.
watch anna come and be op lol
Evil mist is a major nerf in Tekken 8
It was the same in Tk7, if compare to Tk6. She lost
1,4,3
3,3,d+4
4,3,d+4
d+3,d+4
And her 10 string combos were much harder to block
Exactly, all these low pokes are gone
The losses of 3,3,2, 4,3,2, and similar strings is pretty jarring. Nina's been holding on to those since Tekken 2!
Remember guys, setting characters back also means they can use seasonal buffs as an excuse to revert to old properties.
True. Early Tekken 7 Nina's db2 screwed on CH instantly; seasons later, it returned to a proper CH launcher.
seasonal buffs were literally what ruined tekken 7 and powercrept it out of control
im glad they are toning down the explosiveness in t8
Omg she got hella nerfed !!!
Ch b4 what the hell man !
Evil mist what a joke like she says, nothing guaranteed… even the imputs of her moves it’s like « for a child » to play her… and btw the smoke is not even coming out of her mouth correctly in the animation 😂
They clearly have other plans for her in the future which is to get rid of her 😢 that’s what I feel… what do you guys think ?
As a Williams sister player you already know I’m livid…. I put in work with Nina . Now I can’t use in her current state…. I did say she would be nerfed even before the beta dropped. So disappointed. I don’t even know what they are going to do with Zafina and xiaoyu im not Impressed with her backturned pressure…. Her backturned moves are scarier in Tekken 7.
Dare I say Lili's backturned in T8 is almost better than Xiaoyu now.
@@maskidleI'd agree with that from a viewers standpoint
@@maskidle it absolutely is. Xiaoyu needs a low heat smash . Xiaoyu isnt that scary in backturned anymore so you’re right.
They nerfed her pretty hard, and it's not like she was exactly a "pick up and play" character to begin with.
whoever thought having guns as part of her main kit should be reported and fired from the development team. It’s weird and kills immersion 😒
It could’ve been a secret move or an item move instead.
it looks really stupid and the sound effects are bad
They nerfed her toooooooooo much
either way did you notice in Story, Nina was attacking the Urban Square along with Jack 8 and Jack 7 forces (Jack is produced by G-Corp) and Kazuya was also destroying Urban Square in 1st gameplay trailer, Why is Nina working for Kazuya now? I mean she did once in TekkenXStreetFighter but that was just part of her plan, Jack 7s can also be seen attacking at Yakushima where Xiayuo, Jin and Jun are.
I'm afraid they may have removed Anna and just given Nina her role instead.
@@JunKazamaFanfavoritism.
Nina's never been picky with clients, whoever pays her the most (or is useful to her) is usually her pick
@@oldschoolninamain9138 don’t make it a character thing. They could’ve let Anna play her role and allow people to see a different side of her that does not revolve around her sister but didn’t want to because the devs prefer Nina.
Best female character in Tekken! Sexy. Cool. Iconic. Badass.
Facts!
I still don't understand why the did that to Evil Mist. I'm fine with removing launching properties, but nothing guaranteed at all? Isn't it completely useless now?
It is weird, evil mist itself does damage now, so it is a 10dmg unblockable
But the previous version is more intuitive
@@IAMOP and it's still a very slow high. I don't think having 10 point of damage is worth the risk of getting launched
@@ТимурБ-й7бyeah this
Totally useless now, my only hope is they'll receive some feedback and change its properties for the open beta
Can u make this same kind of video for Asuka?
Thank you for posting! ❤
I've played Nina only since T4 (I played everyone in T3, who didn't) and I still don't know how I feel about her in this game.
WTF is up with all her CH launchers getting nerfed too, like she needed that, B4 CH /SS4 CH were super useful
Yeah i feel the same 😲😔😡
She still looks great I’ve always been a Nina fan since the very first Tekken.
So have I and she looks and looks like she will play shit. T5 Nina was peak Nina and now she's been shit on. Look at the Tekken anime, she got beaten by fucking Xiaoyu 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
TK3 nina theme
Nice choice
what da hell use do you even have for the Evil Mist now? like what's the point if no follow ups? and why change the input...just should have kept the same properties and input
I'm so saddened because now learning this and planning to get my ps4, I'm not excited for my favorite character.
The soccer mom bob isn't doing it for me, her seemingly non Nina aura, the list of move sets you demonstrated here... Sigh. Big sigh. Hopefully they do something soon
Lol coming to only next gen bud
Common trend in tekken 8
this is eexcatly what I said on my comments that nina , lily looks weak on T8 , but people keep telling me that nina is top tier and same for lily .......... dudes dsnt kknow their own chars
overall not too happy with most of the changes but i'm sure we'll figure a way to work with it
Is it just me, or Evil Mist in T8 gets lower and lower everytime she uses it?
At the end, it comes out of her neck lmao.
I noticed something looked off about it after a while...
I know a lot of people are saying these are nerfs which I agree but this video of Nina best highlights the system change that they are going for. Keep in mind this change effects everyone across the board. Less ch options all around
You can still get a combo off magic 4 in Tekken 8. 4,4 into d4,1, and then your tail flip of choice.
Not guaranteed
Ch 4,4 into d4,1 pick up works only on king, jack and jun. The rest for some reason it doesn't work. Her ch 4 is probably the most nerfed since she has to commit to the whole string and risk getting launched for only 42-44 dmg while other either get a full launch or have a risk free ch 4 into guaranteed hit for similar damage.
@@rasaa7227 Ooh it'd be harder for Nina to counter aggressive opponents now.
Let’s hope for miss William’s sister to come back bc if she comes back as dlc later I wouldn’t mind rebuying her
Tekken 3 - among the best soundtrack in the franchise.
I advice you to make a video " Is jun way too OP in Tekken 8 "
Spoiler : it's the case
I've checked here for a while in the training mod of the hack, and she's like Leroy at his release
Homing highs that have insane frames on block and hit
Fast Counter hit launcher mid
Dr4 is a better 3+4 than bryan himself
Too much good lows
Hellsweeps
Unstoppable strings
Absurd damages
EVERYTHING
You can check here frame while activing the CPU record
Is 1,2, (CH) 4 still a thing?
Yeah so is df1,2,4
2:50 it causes knock down only on counterhit
this is a game of OP strings, and rescrews...
Nina mains mad that they have to use their brains now. Now this is victory royale
They didn’t remove her cheese strings just reduced CH utility
@@maxliu3041 I'd say she became more of a corpse now
Do one for her now. Totally different character almost
Evil mist is sad now :(
They nerf evil mist but it’s damn near impossible to punish it even after ducking it Nina can block the follow up (tested it on the crack version)
Brother make videos on Jin, Kazuya and other I like all videos all the thime.
She is quite silly in t7 one of the most underrated characters.. she is really good, id say top 15 without problems
Even after 4 seasons of buffs in t7 I don't think she can crack the top 20 let alone the top 15. She's the ultimate scrub killer, but she completely falls apart at high level of play. The last time Nina was top tier was probably around t5.0 days like 20 years ago.
Her t8 version is even weaker than her t7 version, whereas everyone else was buffed to high heavens.
@@rasaa7227 she doesn't fall apart at high level.. df1 tracks to one side and has a million extensions, b22 marking, amazing counters, markings in general at different frames like b22 db2 to mix it up..
Her lows are phenomenal she excels alot, Nina players are just like Jin players not aware of how good their characters are
@@rasaa7227 I can talk about Nina all day, uf2 easy hit confirm, do you think moves like df1+2 are bad? Her wall carry and more..
What more do you exactly need and want from her?
@@JustAnte9557 her df1 is decent at best. Bad range and barely tracks. What million extenions? df1,2,3_1+2 for mid options that don't track and both are -14 on block and df1,2,4 is high and doesn't track.
b22 is nice, but again bad range.
db2 is good on paper, but it magically loses its range against half the cast when they move. The hitbox is bugged.
df1+2 again bad range and the hitbox is messed up it doesn't even wallsplat close to the wall. Even that is nerfed in t8 as it does nothing now neither normal hit nor on ch. Even the pushback is reduced on block making it a pointless move.
uf2,1 is NOT hit confirmable, let alone an easy hit confirm.
Don't get me wrong she is not a bad character at all, but she's not THAT good to crack the top 15. And she's definitely no Jin for that matter. He's way stronger.
Also like 80% of the cast have long wall carry in t7 and the stages aren't that big anyway.
And t8 kinda nerfed most of the things that were strong with her, especially her ch tools without giving her anything to compensate for the loss.
Her t8 magic 4 is probably among the worst. She risks getting launched if she goes for the extension and the juggle only works on 3 characters from the cnt ones. ch b4 is destroyed. Half ch game is gone.
@@JustAnte9557 even top players would tell you she is not worth playing at high level. There have beeb very very few who managed to get results with her in t7 in big tournaments, one of them being Jodd, and even he thinks she's crap in t8.
I hope they don’t change much moves I like in tekken 7.
I like the screws, launchers, spins, splat, etc.
I don’t like the enemy being far from me especially the gun moves
what's the point of Evil Mist now? Might as well remove it.
We need king next. The anger of the beast
She's right now the most nerfed character in t8. Almost useless.
Man, thank god they removed random CH launches on strings
Some of Nina's counter hit Ganrentee is gone now she doesn't have that in the previous tekken games
Idk why she got nerfed so hard in t8 when she was not that good on t7
Those pistols are cool but man does the opponent land far away. Maybe not worth using them at all unless wall or kill situation.
Lol the game is definitely way more accessible, i wonder if this is gonna make every flee like it did SF...
T8 is not better at all…. They made Nina just carbage unless they change and fix her back like T7… no way What have they done…I’am not feeling this i don’t think people Should buy T8 this T8 Will be the worse in history…😢
The only character that beat my ass consistently in the beta and idk why she was not fun to fight at all
I do not like the change to evil mist at all. Everything else I'm fine with.
T7 looking rough nowadays
They destroyed her. I love it! Pitty she will get buffs by release version 😢
tekken 3 theme ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️😢
And DB1+2 is not 13 frames it’s 12 frames
It's not mentioned that it's 13f, it's guaranteed on +13 b4
Sad turnkey noises*
So she’s nerfed to hell now?
Counter hit are removed across the whole cast
You can think of it like the system focus shifting from counter hits to heat
I'm just happy she still has counter hit f3 and db2
the guns ruined the character for me.😢
Damn she nerf just like new her outfits.
Is this the first time in tekken history evil mist has not granted free launches? What a useless move in a game with universal chip damage mechanics
Mostly good changes, not every string has to have a counterhit launcher at every interval
It's ALL nerfs lol and she was already a mid tier character.
lol tekken has lost its identity
no it has not
We'll see in January
What identity? ITS still a 3d fighting game
you guys have been saying that since after 5, relax.
Sheesh
🔫🔫
Yes is bar Nina t8
yeah those string needed to go, half of her movesets launched on ch lmao
Unnecessary ass changes. Nina for frauds.😩
Good Nina is ridiculous she could be toned down a little bit
Deserved
Thank God. I hate nina
Went from top 3 hottest females in Tekken into Top 3 ugliest, unlucky.
What have they done to her? 🤦🏽♂️