@@ElPepeLoco2311 you do realize that its 11 dlc and 11 non dlc in the S tier right? If you meant that most of the dlc is in S tier that would be fine, but the way you said it sounded like S tier is mostly dlc characters which isnt correct. If anything this looks about right.
tmm overpopulated the s tier. that should be for indisputably low quality, easy peazy gods of cheapness. most of his s tier characters should have been in the a tier imo
@@Kurosaki-san089 Yes i know that as i pointed it out if you actually read. i was talking about how they worded it wrong. Someone can misread it and think the S tier is full of only dlc, which isnt the case. Its like saying there is mostly rasin cookies in the cookie jar, what would you think will be in the cookie jar if you hear that? Probably only rasin cookies, thats what im talking about. Its the structure of the sentence i have a problem with lol.
I have way more trouble vs kunimitsu, leroy easier to punish and reacting to his animations, also baiting parry or orbital whiff is easy, I like to df1 mixup with low pokes vs him. Only problem is leroy pluggers 😂
I've learned that against Leroy, you have to play like a robot. Like a machine. As soon as you see that parry or orbital animation end, you use your fastest launcher or move in your kit and you do this over and over again. I've only won against one Leroy and it was hell on earth with Negan
@@WitchHunterRobin Your comment illustrates how much of a nightmare Leroy is to fight against He's the only character in the game where I feel like I have to explicitly play in the most safest way possible which isn't fun. I never rematch Leroys because he gives me brain aneurysms
All DLC character should be at the top, because you cannot even lab them without paying. Training mode literally prevents you from learning DLC matchups if you have not bought DLC character.
@@pablogats4627 Bruh thank you because that was a dumbass response to what you said. My pockets are super straight but i'll be damned if I reward the company that made this cheap ass game full of cheap ass, broken characters
I remember yesterday, a Marduk player did 14 freaking tackles in one round and I escaped 12 of them and won. After that I just did sidestep into launch and it turned out he run out of ideas. Don't give up and learn your enemy while you fight him!
As a paul main I use shredded kicks. Work like a charm😂 when i block his rage drive. J dont just standd there and guess his mixup. I use kicks. Sometime he gets launch some time a hit.
@@jadonplox you know that it's easy to predict a grab when your opponent spams it? He almost always used left punch after tackle, so it wasn't that hard. Takes a bit more luck to win a lottery
Man I haven’t played tekken in awhile but I remember in low ranks I could get a 20 win streak with kuni by barely trying and then struggle to get a 2 win streak with Jin, who I’ve put 5x the amount of work learning compared to kuni.
30 Win streak in ranked with her and a 53 win streak in public matches... She's been my new main since she came out but super cheap can't disagree... I agree with you that you would of put a lot more work in with "Jin" but if you did the same with Kuni she becomes even more cheaper too win with... Half the time these days in ranked/public/private matches people leave the match before the 1st round starts or in private lobbys you get kicked straight away as soon as they see you main her....
As someone that just got into Tekken a week ago and instantly became a Shaheen main, this video put a giant smile on my face to see his is at the bottom of the barrel :)
I can't tell you how bored I was playing Leroy when he first came out because of how OP he was. To me the easier the character is the less fun they are to use because they're nothing to them really.
Yeah I play claudio casually, and playing braindead at that too but I beat the crap out of xiayou, while playing with yoshimitsu against that piece of shit xiayou I find it fun even though I get shredded by frame advantage and obnoxious recovery
Pretty much every character in the game has a at least one 'cheap' move, its just more so about how badly can some characters get away with it over others. Marduk's tackle IMO is the cheapest most OP move in the game, especially as a RD. Literally no character in the game can do anything anywhere close to what he can do.
I just played 7 games with a feng player who just spammed a stance every round then ran into a marduck who spammed tackle for another 4 games. I regret my decisions
Marduk might be cheap. But he's difficult to master. His moves are slow like every move has 2-3f lag. His combos are clunky and drop so much I had to find other mains.
I main Josie because I want to see the jiggles really but its actually hard to get her to advance after red ranks without fundamentals. But the hard work pays off because she's just simply easy on the eyes
maybe you should try watching the video, he talks about why he thinks it's honest compared to other characters instead of just skipping the whole thing
You cannot convince me Jack is that low for being cheap, dude has so much pushback on shit, a 12 frame low thats +2 on hit, one of the best whiff punishers, jackhammer, debug which is almost impossible to react to, a complete throw game. If you dont know this matchup you pretty much die
The only thing that justifies Raven being in A is the fact that she gets away with very punishable stuff due to no matchup knowledge. Otherwise, she's B or even high C.
Not only that but her would be punishable moves often have extensions. It’s constantly a battle of “should I try to punish that or should I wait to punish the extension”
@@soprecise7993Yeah wtf is that about, and you cant pressure her either always a risk of that goddamn parry teleport shit. Half her moves high crush so no jab interrupt either.
Kazuya has a low win rate not because he's honest There's a lot more to it Story mode, him being the original main character makes him one of the most played characters in the game with a loooot of new comers picking him up And since he's "difficult" this also means he won't be getting a lot of wins due to that.
Absolutely true, but for some of us newer players just kinda want to learn fundamentals before moving on to other characters because if you start with a cheap character, there's progression but it doesn't really feel like you learn much compared to a character who is just straight up honest and helps you get into the Tekken mindset.
Kazuya is definitely cheesy. These people are biased. Those sweeps are used at least 7 times in 3 rounds. And Kazuya players only use 3 to 4 moves to win and all those moves are cheesy.
@@since2133 yeah exactly. Learn what to do against those 4 moves and your opponents rhythm and put the pressure on when you take your turn back. It's an uphill battle for Kaz and I've never played him so you can't call me biased. There's a reason he has one of the lowest win loss ratios
@@sixsideddeath5529 there’s no reason to explain myself to you because you mentioned that you’re a Kazuya main. You will never get it. Kazuya is like Anna. Both are 50/50 based characters. Are you telling me that you can tell when you see a low sweep or a mid is coming from those 2 characters? There’s nothing for us to learn against those 2 characters. All we gotta do is guess if it’s a high or a low or mid. There’s no learning there, just guessing.
@@since2133 literally said ive never played him. you just suck lol. for every blocked hellsweep Kaz has to get 4 more to break even. all my laz m/u win ratios are above 50% because once you figure out the player Kaz has nothing. sucks to suck kid
Exactly. Even some of my friends realize this game is bullshit. Can’t disagree there. I even play Lili who is cheap as well. I guess just play it to your best. Don’t care about the rest.
I think some cheese is useful for teaching beginners fundamentals like throw breaks and movement. For instance, Bryan's Snake Edge teaches players to block low and punish. But a character having so much cheese that you have spend hours lagging the matchup will just ruin the game for low and intermediate players.
I would argue the difficulty tierlist looks similar except for akuma and geese. There is somewhat of a correlation of difficult characters vs cheese characters.
Anna feels cheap imo. She has Nina can opener string and does she really need 2 lows that launch for combos? Just seems a bit too much. I personally knew quite a few ppl struggling to get out of yellow ranks get all the way up to mighty ruler with Anna. Even they would tell you she's cheap.
All her low are launch punishable, her can opener is just a knowledge check. Her crouch mix up is defo scary, just ssr her alot she can't really carry that far before u need to learn tekken unlike fahk and leroy
@@crazy911wman i define cheap as if even if you know the match up you'll still get cheesed chars like kuni ,fahk, zafina, akuma, and leroy just to name a few, anna has clear weakness that u can get around unlike the other char i mention.
I definitely understood the King placement initially, but when it was all said and done King is cheaper than about half of the characters above him 😂 If u don’t lab rolling death cradle you can lose to pretty bad players. If you’re like me and have to warm up before being able to react to throws then running into King players early can get u blown up by otherwise free Kings, not to mention a less than ideal connection makes giant swing and hopkick basically a 50/50 You then get a fear of blocking which gets u counter hit all day. Your fundamentals go out the window and suddenly your on equal ground with a player with nothing but flowcharts. That’s the definition of cheap
Steve hard on highest level but super cheap at purple ranks carried by spam b1 and 4,1,2 idk why but every Steve player has 5000 wins and still spam same moves, no improvement
There was a time where I would see this game as if it was like some kind of contest. "Who has the most cheap stuff, and who can abuse it the most?". That's how I saw the game once.
What changed? Because that's how everyone should view this game. It's cheap af overall, compared to almost every other top tier fighting game, especially online.
@@dyhrbergdk9541 Well, that's a matter of opinion but I feel like having a way to eventually parry air juggling the same way you can parry low blows would put a lot more emphasis on skill than in spending the entire round trying to catch someone off guard and juggle them to death. I would also appreciate if they would fix some of the buggy issues that happen in walled stages in the corners. I've lost so many close matches because the character suddenly reversed positions in a corner mid combo. I know it's a matter of personal preference but I also hate the way you can continuously combo someone up off the ground and I'm talking about starting a combo that way, not an ongoing combo. It is what it is, though. I'm not as annoyed as I was when I first made these comments weeks ago. I'm just more used to the mechanics of old school 2D fighters. The last Tekken I really got into was Pt 3 lol.
@@kk0704 y do u ask every hwaorang mains if they're gay? I know ur curious cuz you try not to assume but what does it does it have to do with this lmao
After a year of tekken, I realized that tekken was not a game about honesty, more like a battle of cheese, even with kazuya I always try to be the most scummish and ''unfair'' as possible.
I used to have a warrior kazuya and a purple rank katarina. Kazuya was always my main, I got bored of not playing my main and I kept trying until I got my kazuya to suzaku. Just play the character you enjoy even if it is harder that way, in the end it is going to be way more rewarding. I never felt any feeling of accomplishment getting katarina to purple.
Lei has multiple parries. 3+4 (high/mid punches, ps20~) f+3+4 (high/mid punches) DRU.f (high punches) PHX.f (high punches) TGR.f (high/mid strikes) CRA (auto low parry) Here's some random videos of them, including a video guide on parrying with Lei. ruclips.net/video/pIeR3RHb_PA/видео.html ruclips.net/video/AekO0pq_LBU/видео.html ruclips.net/video/f5GPi4h057g/видео.html
@@notabot2351 bruh a bunch of characters have those kinds of parries I’m talking Leroy and asuka parries that are scrub killers, Bryan can do high punch parries, Ling can do high and mid evades with her stance, Jin can parry highs and mids, Feng’s 1+2 can parry high punches, Leo has a few too I’m saying Lei doesn’t have a broken 0 skill parry like Leroy.
As a Josie I can’t see the cheese Unsafe strings No lows that knock down or launch Slow mids Trash throws Low combo damage Tiny move list She was super fun to use when I first started though then people learnt not to mash all the time and suddenly she has nothing but whiff punishes 😅 Yet The Mishima player thinks hellsweeps and okis are honourable tactics
A character that has 50,000 ways to launch you, has running bullshit from across the screen, so many crush moves, and it requires more effort to fight than it is to use. Compare that to a Mishima, hellsweep is extremely UNSAFE, electrics are high and require a just frame, can easily be side-stepped to the left, almost no gimmicks (Except for DJ but fuck him), they are super reliant on conditioning before they even get to play properly which is especially clear with electric pressure since no one respects it (compare that to Josie that can just fight anyone without setup). TL;DR Mishimas take extreme risks to do anything meaningful, Josie players win because of the smallest of risks done by their opponent. Press buttons until you win.
Yeah kind of absurd Kazumi should be the queen of cheese but it's d tier for some reasons Kata is literally kazumi but worse in every single way but because she has a garbage snake edge that works only in the lower ranks and she is s? Literally never heard someone saying "wish I was playing vs kazumi" lmao
I straight up don't think Josie is cheap at all and I main Steve. She's legitimately steppable from her lean back stance and while she do be having some plus frames, you have 60 seconds to choose how to win the round, spending a few of those to block and learn the enemy's attack patterns is to your benefit. I haven't met a single Josie I couldn't beat in a long set, but of course that is a anecdote.
I agree with this list for the most part. I play Paul and I pretty much spammed my way into the red ranks. Maybe he could be S tier just because he could spam a lot and unless you are going for big boy combos, almost no execution required. As for the bottom of the list (C&D), whenever I face them since the ruler ranks, it is always a tough match.
I cant play with Paul, i just get outspammed always. Oh god, how much i hate braindead kids using only lows/grabs/imbalanced strings. What is the point of teaching characters if you lose to spammer who doesn't even know any staple combos
I remember playing a long set of ranked against a leroy and ended up getting a promotion for myself with heihachi. The leroy messaged me saying I didn't deserve that promo cuz i kept spamming ff2...
I mostly agree with the tier list, but with 2 exceptions: 1. King should be at least A because not only no one on online matches break throws, he also has quite some pretty disgusting oki and wall setups. I have a friend who's a Fujin King and even though I've fought his King for hundreds of times I still can't get used to King's setups, there's just too many. He plays King, but it almost feels like I'm playing against Xiaoyu and that's one solid proof that King certainly could be cheesier than you think. 2. It doesn't make sense to see Eliza not in the same tier as other 2D chars. Sure literally no one plays her, but she's really hard to use, and compared to the other 2Ds she's arguably the weakest. She has the least execution output (how much one can get from paying the execution grind) compared to other 2D's. Sure she has lots abusable moves, but so do Geese and Akuma. I think it's either put Eliza down to A-tier or put Geese and Akuma up to S-tier.
TBFIt takes a long ass time to learn all the set ups for different situations with king because like while there are a ton of amazing set ups they are hella niche and can be difficult to pull off.
I agree with the eliza especially coz once you learn the match up (which is pretty easy coz 1. She doesn't have a million moves and 2. All her lows are launch punishable) her gimmicky stuff becomes useless
@@khacks1238 That's true, but I think the reward is immense considering most of the time people don't know shit about the setups and the only way to get used is to find a player who's good with that. It's borderline impossible to just watch a guide video and expect to have the muscle memory to counter those setups overnight.
@@lc744 Yeah, and TMM didn't really try to explain why she's S (almost as if he's avoiding it) which was kinda disappointing tbh. It's clear that he's being too biased.
TMM plays king, and i think that makes him understand his "honesty". King has no pressure tools at all, he has like 3 plus moves which is neat cause if not he would be broken. The thing is once you know his basic setups, you find it really difficult to open your oponnent if he has a good defence, and then you need to start playing real tekken.
Noctis, Lei and Anna? Tmm roasted every main i have lol!! I just like them cause of the character! I had no idea what their moves looked like when i picked them as mains
Yoshimitsu cheap for real? You have any Idea how much time i Put to punishing Most the roster that has attacks, faster than supersonic? I have usually only 3-4 moves that fast enough to even punish from 200 attacks.
As a Nina main I have to disagree (obviously lol). She can be cheap at beginner and intermediate level (can opener, mashing pressure, etc.) but she has no panick move nor a hopkick and at advanced/tournament level she's so punishable it's crazy, one of the reasons why you don't see her in tournaments. So I feel like she belongs to B or A top, but definitely not S.
I say B. I used to main nina and asuka (now just asuka). Nina is one of those characters that is meme or get memed on. Not like other characters. She does have some very cheap stuff going with her but it's not marduk or leroy or fahk levels of i want to rip my hair out yknow?
As a person whose been playing tekken 7 for only a year I agree that whenever I get into a match whether it be casual or ranked if I see a lucky Chloe or kunimitsu I leave the match instantly
I can't get it to be honest. You rate some of the characters like Bryan as characters played in high level and some of them as green-orange rank characters like law or maven. I can't see how Bryan is hard to play in lower ranks. But i can see how he is in higher ranks. Same with law, maven and Shaheen (pretty cheap in higher ranks imo). But that's your opinion of course and ill take it
Let me voice "my own" opinion. From my fights against Bryan since low to now upper intermediate rank, he has good tools, but not abusable string/setup/cheesy stuffs. He approaches and attacks "fundamentally" (in contrast of some bs like Julia party crasher) and defends against me "fundamentally" (in contrast of some bs like Feng's bunches of evasive and panic moves). To me Bryan should be ranked below any Mishimas. EWGF by itself is abusable.
@@jasonkennedy6844 Idk to me it's a very good move but has never given me a big trouble (I'm violet rank). I'd still argue that you can counter Bryan fundamentally. He's not Feng or Hwo who I need a very specific way to "respectfully" deal with. And that's what I call real bs.
MainMan: Mishima's High level get stomped and don't do well in pro play... D Tier Also MainMas: Chloe and Eddy don't get to see pro play and take insane risks... S Tier
Kazuya is defo cheap not the cheapest but not D tier either even in god rank i can still cheese my way with hellsweep, and bamco keep buffing his ground hitting tool so get up to get 50/50ed again or get flipped with ff4.
Funny how people can say that Kazuya's "cheapness" requires execution. Do people really find it hard to do f,df,f that hard? If we're talking about PERFECT electrics, sure... but it's just a damn hellsweep. Even a normal god fist is alright if you're just spamming the cheesiness.
I bought this game yesterday, i was playing heihachi and i was scared about the complexity...no other fighting game is this hard and i play all of them
Put his own characters at the top of the list he was super honest I don't know what you even complaining about at this point I could see if he didn't do that but yeah he he's honest
Bs list. Basically chars he doesn't feel good losing against. And endlessly justifies all the chars he and overlooks their cheapness. Whats the fucking point then.
Kazuya is a character for high IQ people, yup. Also Kazuya: Every low I see, ws1,2 even if I don't confirm. Every time I don't do that, I keep buffering random electrics since the recovery is OP. But wait, what if they step those? Oh, hold my beer...
@@sjlbx just 50/50 …fast spamming electric…just frame 13 frame(well fast can we press it to get a high damage ‘’PEWGF’’ )and fast execution (when do we press DF2)(frame data knowledge)weak poking also my Kazuya is still blue rank(yaksa) he requires electric in a lot of situations
21:50 as a lei main yes I do love being quite cheesy. Im fairly new to the tekken scene, only been playing a few months now. Im still in yellow ranks so no one attack me I am practicing my fundamentals 🥺 But for real tho I just love lei as a character. I like having 13 stances lol. Even watched the legend of the drunken master with Jackie Chan, great movie btw. Still haven’t seen police story. I’ve heard good things about it though.
@@mr.almezeini647 a year is a bit exaggerated but it's understandable, you have to work your way up harder than half of the roster you can either main noctis and use one button to reach purple ranks in no time or main jin for example, who breaks your fingera to reach green it's just the nature of tekken
With this list I would have put almost literally every character down 1 more tier, except for a few here, and especially all of S from hworang and noctis to the right. This wasnt meant to be a difficulty tier list it was meant to be a cheese list
7:59 "50/50 is always in Kazuya favor. " - that is actually true for most of the 50/50 offense in Tekken. Attacker in most cases gets the advantage. Just write down all options, how opponent can punish them, your reward, his reward, et.c., and you will see that on average attacker gets more out of this than the defender.
The chance to get the opponent or that he will get you is still 50/50 so, yes you get more as an attacker but it still is a 50/50 chance so people bullshiting on him still doesn’t make up for it, even with your argumentation
IMO Steve is a very honest and fundamental character in high level of play but in beginner and intermediate you can just mash everyone to death with him and the opponent won't get a second to initiate any attack of their own. That's my experience playing against Steve mains in red-purple ranks. Lee also has some bs shenanigans that you can tie up pretty easily into flowcharts and stomp people with but i understand the execution involved. Overall really good list, I agree with most of the placements.
Unless the steve player is against an asuka player (i am one). Man just gets punished by the reversal and her cheap kick combo. Other stuff she can pull is her pressure into her grabs and her cheap mixup punishing. (Offensively her mixup game is bad but when she punishes with it, she gets like 50% and space between them)
@@chillskid You're not gonna win anything in these ranks with Jin, Kazuya, Bryan or Heihachi, no matter how hard you try to mash. Not the case with Steve
@@TheMethod8 Eh I just disagree bro. As a long time Steve main, I know how ineffective mashing is in intermediate play. Most of Steve's best moves can be ducked or high crushed. You really have to have strong fundamentals to perform consistently well online. Timing is your best friend as setting up counter hits is his main game plan. There's a reason why he has one of the lowest win rates. Is he as hard as Mishimas? Maybe not, but he certainly comes close.
@@TheMethod8 eh no, you can’t just mash with steve, if you think that, then you either A) kept mashing yourself and got counterhit by Steve or B) never tried to duck against him. B+1 is a high, his flicker jabs are highs, 121 is a high etc. Seriously, steve is very ineffective if he doesn’t get his counterhits, so you thinking that way about Steve, tells us that you got absolutely smoked by a couple of Steve players because you probably kept pressing. Steve can’t mash, with Steve you have to use calculated agression, you have to know what you’re doing. And to get Steve to red ranks, you have to be really decent, i struggle to stay in orange ranks with steve and believe me, mashing with steve doesn’t even work in yellow ranks.
As a sometimes AK player, he's more like a B. Even though his cheese is not super strong, it is very unique to him and requires a considerable amount of labbing. The biggest offender is d/b+4. It is an easily seeable low, but most character's WS punishers will whiff because AK recovers grounded. To really get some punishment going, you need to either low parry on reaction (which isn't very hard, but not exactly easy either), or learn a separate grounded punish just for this move. In case of my main, Jin, it's either 4~3, f,f+4 or dash d+2, for instance. Unlike most unblockables, 1+4 cannot be stepped at all, it can only be sidewalked left. And if your character's jab has a bad range/hitbox - floating him out of it is super inconsistent. It's better to sidewalk left still, because then you get backturned punish for like 100+ damage. Similar situation with his other unblockables. CD 3 has to be ducked, pretty much no other characters have this. U/f+1+2 hold has insane range, and has super weird tracking - sometimes it tracks fucking 180 degrees, sometimes it gets stepped by the smallest of sidesteps. A lot of his moves are "punishable" as in they are -10 or worse, but the timing is so strict that you can rarely land it online. D+3+4 and its followups are pretty cheesy as well IMO. And these are just the first that come to mind.
@@justaduck6879 they certainly aren't good, but against players who aren't familiar with them - they work, 100%. I wanted to fucken cry when I got into red ranks spamming d/b+4 and never getting punished, d+3+4,1 and never getting ducked, using 1+4 for oki, etc. Getting AK to the same rank as my real mains who I play for like a year now, after 3-4 days. Ofc people started countering these things more often as I went on, but then as you say - AK has strong moves you just switch over to. I wouldn't say the backswing blow is nuclear cheese, but it's a pretty cheap. ffn2 however I totally forgot about, it's grade A busted cheese, especially vs characters who don't launch at -14 while standing.
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* S Tier is half the roster*
This is about what I expected
And also that fact that is mostly dlc characters smh
@@ElPepeLoco2311 you do realize that its 11 dlc and 11 non dlc in the S tier right? If you meant that most of the dlc is in S tier that would be fine, but the way you said it sounded like S tier is mostly dlc characters which isnt correct. If anything this looks about right.
@@scaredshirox7817He means that almost every dlc Character is cheap
tmm overpopulated the s tier. that should be for indisputably low quality, easy peazy gods of cheapness. most of his s tier characters should have been in the a tier imo
@@Kurosaki-san089 Yes i know that as i pointed it out if you actually read. i was talking about how they worded it wrong. Someone can misread it and think the S tier is full of only dlc, which isnt the case. Its like saying there is mostly rasin cookies in the cookie jar, what would you think will be in the cookie jar if you hear that? Probably only rasin cookies, thats what im talking about. Its the structure of the sentence i have a problem with lol.
Leroy deserves a tier of his own
Lol
I would put Marduk in there too tbh. Marduk is one of those matchups where knowing more makes almost no difference.
I have way more trouble vs kunimitsu, leroy easier to punish and reacting to his animations, also baiting parry or orbital whiff is easy, I like to df1 mixup with low pokes vs him. Only problem is leroy pluggers 😂
I've learned that against Leroy, you have to play like a robot. Like a machine.
As soon as you see that parry or orbital animation end, you use your fastest launcher or move in your kit and you do this over and over again. I've only won against one Leroy and it was hell on earth with Negan
@@WitchHunterRobin Your comment illustrates how much of a nightmare Leroy is to fight against
He's the only character in the game where I feel like I have to explicitly play in the most safest way possible which isn't fun. I never rematch Leroys because he gives me brain aneurysms
All DLC character should be at the top, because you cannot even lab them without paying. Training mode literally prevents you from learning DLC matchups if you have not bought DLC character.
use cheat engine to lab them fuck the namcops dude. i made a video to help people lab them using cheat engine and i use it to lab all the dlc
Just stop being broke and you good to go.
Not Armor King
@@blkwsor6277 bruh I'm rich but fuck namco they don't deserve the $$$
@@pablogats4627 Bruh thank you because that was a dumbass response to what you said. My pockets are super straight but i'll be damned if I reward the company that made this cheap ass game full of cheap ass, broken characters
I kinda had my doubts about Hwo being cheap or not but the "Hiya hiya-hoo-hoo" really convinced me.
Lol what move is that.
@@thehunterwr4666 Every move, it's every move!
@@Boss-_ looooool
l'm a Hwoarang Player, haha, the "Hiya, hiya-hoo-hoo."
@@lukehart7225 ayo same
I remember yesterday, a Marduk player did 14 freaking tackles in one round and I escaped 12 of them and won. After that I just did sidestep into launch and it turned out he run out of ideas. Don't give up and learn your enemy while you fight him!
As a paul main I use shredded kicks. Work like a charm😂 when i block his rage drive. J dont just standd there and guess his mixup. I use kicks. Sometime he gets launch some time a hit.
I bullied a player like that using Gigas' very long arms, turns out if he's out of grab range he has to actually play the game
If my opponent starts breaking tackles they're gonna be disappointed that I can play Tekken almost as well as I can play Marduk.
bullshit you broke 12 out of 14 takles lmao you should sign up for the lottery if you win 12 of 14 33.3% chances
@@jadonplox you know that it's easy to predict a grab when your opponent spams it? He almost always used left punch after tackle, so it wasn't that hard. Takes a bit more luck to win a lottery
Man I haven’t played tekken in awhile but I remember in low ranks I could get a 20 win streak with kuni by barely trying and then struggle to get a 2 win streak with Jin, who I’ve put 5x the amount of work learning compared to kuni.
Switch to kuni and you’ll be a tekken king in no time
@@HououinKyouma. dishonourable way to do it but it works i guess.
30 Win streak in ranked with her and a 53 win streak in public matches... She's been my new main since she came out but super cheap can't disagree... I agree with you that you would of put a lot more work in with "Jin" but if you did the same with Kuni she becomes even more cheaper too win with... Half the time these days in ranked/public/private matches people leave the match before the 1st round starts or in private lobbys you get kicked straight away as soon as they see you main her....
@@blitheixgaming1289 dishonorable because rank matters in tekken right 🤡
Hahahaha same here, hundreds of hours on Mishimas, all lower ranks than my kuni after playing her a week
Top tier isn't S. It's DLC.
as an AK main I disagree
As someone that just got into Tekken a week ago and instantly became a Shaheen main, this video put a giant smile on my face to see his is at the bottom of the barrel :)
@Anthony Broussard I am currently playing 3 characters: Shaheen, Gigas and Yoshimitsu
Liar, Shaheen mains don't exist 😂
Shaheen is straight up no BS. He's my secondary and I love him to death.
You still playing?
He doesn’t even say a word when he throws Chloe and Eliza into S lmao
The bias is just too obvious lol
Its too obvious
I can understand where he's coming from
They are a cheese fest
people who say he's biased definitely main the characters he put in S tier😂
I can't tell you how bored I was playing Leroy when he first came out because of how OP he was. To me the easier the character is the less fun they are to use because they're nothing to them really.
Well in tekken 3 I used to play eddy once in a while and it was fun... it was fun making my friends rage quit lol
Yeah I agree
Same I got bored cause he was perfect and had everything
Wym there's a lot to then, just abuse then till the devs nerd the fuck outta the
Yeah I play claudio casually, and playing braindead at that too but I beat the crap out of xiayou, while playing with yoshimitsu against that piece of shit xiayou I find it fun even though I get shredded by frame advantage and obnoxious recovery
Pretty much every character in the game has a at least one 'cheap' move, its just more so about how badly can some characters get away with it over others. Marduk's tackle IMO is the cheapest most OP move in the game, especially as a RD. Literally no character in the game can do anything anywhere close to what he can do.
Fr 😭 I can’t even play Marduk but got too vanquisher legit just using tackle 🤦🏽♂️🤣 and it’s taken me months too get there with heihachi 🤣
Also a counter into tackle into another tackle shits op 🤣
Female characters are cheap to begin almost since they do just as much dmg if not more, but have smaller hitboxes
What would be Bryan's cheap move?
@@BURRDAWG_ online low ranks snake edge 😭
I just played 7 games with a feng player who just spammed a stance every round then ran into a marduck who spammed tackle for another 4 games. I regret my decisions
I run into so many Fengs and Marduks online and I think I actually hate fighting them more than anyone else.
@@benskx My best friend mains Feng and boy do I ever regret choosing to main Sergev "Mids that are actually highs" Dragunov
Lei is the character i hate the most as a jin main in high orange to low red rank. I have a 14% wr against him .___.
@@Thelegend_2121 use good keep outs, dont chase, hopkick when he gets into stance, you'll win everytime
Marduk might be cheap. But he's difficult to master. His moves are slow like every move has 2-3f lag. His combos are clunky and drop so much I had to find other mains.
He's right, Hwoarang is one of the most cheesy.....but damn I love playing him
You gay ?
@@kk0704 why????!!
Yes I am a Josie main. Yes I drink paint. Yes I want to watch the world burn
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I play Fahk and Josie so I fully agree with that statement
I main Josie because I want to see the jiggles really but its actually hard to get her to advance after red ranks without fundamentals. But the hard work pays off because she's just simply easy on the eyes
@@palamecianrider7385 A man with clear priorities I see.
@@palamecianrider7385 yea for sure. I stopped playing a year ago around high purple/blue. I kinda just got sick of the game tbh
Love how low 50/50 Kazuya is at the bottom lol
One of the most Braindead OP oki and dmg
Then y is he bottom of win/lose ration?
Damn first time I’m seeing kazyua being called dishonest
maybe you should try watching the video, he talks about why he thinks it's honest compared to other characters instead of just skipping the whole thing
@@azteckjumbie9344 being braindead is not the same as being cheap.
You cannot convince me Jack is that low for being cheap, dude has so much pushback on shit, a 12 frame low thats +2 on hit, one of the best whiff punishers, jackhammer, debug which is almost impossible to react to, a complete throw game. If you dont know this matchup you pretty much die
Frfr
I love when TMM makes these types of videos, very interesting stuff
The only thing that justifies Raven being in A is the fact that she gets away with very punishable stuff due to no matchup knowledge. Otherwise, she's B or even high C.
Not only that but her would be punishable moves often have extensions. It’s constantly a battle of “should I try to punish that or should I wait to punish the extension”
same for chloe lol and she's in S
@@soprecise7993Yeah wtf is that about, and you cant pressure her either always a risk of that goddamn parry teleport shit. Half her moves high crush so no jab interrupt either.
Kazuya has a low win rate not because he's honest
There's a lot more to it
Story mode, him being the original main character makes him one of the most played characters in the game with a loooot of new comers picking him up
And since he's "difficult" this also means he won't be getting a lot of wins due to that.
Absolutely true, but for some of us newer players just kinda want to learn fundamentals before moving on to other characters because if you start with a cheap character, there's progression but it doesn't really feel like you learn much compared to a character who is just straight up honest and helps you get into the Tekken mindset.
No need for apostrophes. Kazuya is genuinely hard
I'd argue that tekken 7 benefits his play style but he is still difficult to play
Paul is the most played character in the game, he doesn't have a low win rate lol
@@caiobruno8006 because paul is braindead easy and one of the best characters of the game
Kazuya is not there anymore, his electric's whiff recovery is stupid now
Kazuya is definitely cheesy. These people are biased. Those sweeps are used at least 7 times in 3 rounds. And Kazuya players only use 3 to 4 moves to win and all those moves are cheesy.
@@since2133 yeah exactly. Learn what to do against those 4 moves and your opponents rhythm and put the pressure on when you take your turn back. It's an uphill battle for Kaz and I've never played him so you can't call me biased.
There's a reason he has one of the lowest win loss ratios
@@sixsideddeath5529 there’s no reason to explain myself to you because you mentioned that you’re a Kazuya main. You will never get it.
Kazuya is like Anna. Both are 50/50 based characters. Are you telling me that you can tell when you see a low sweep or a mid is coming from those 2 characters? There’s nothing for us to learn against those 2 characters. All we gotta do is guess if it’s a high or a low or mid. There’s no learning there, just guessing.
@@since2133 literally said ive never played him. you just suck lol. for every blocked hellsweep Kaz has to get 4 more to break even. all my laz m/u win ratios are above 50% because once you figure out the player Kaz has nothing. sucks to suck kid
ye he's at least c. Not S not, you can argue B tier in low to mid ranks purely because of df2, and his 50/50.
Finally 🧀 list 🙏 how about a combo damage tier list or movement (overall) next ?
That'd be cool to see
Pound on pound julia have the best combos, even better 2D characters
just curious, as a Hwoarang main do you agree with the list?
@@ronoronoronorono dude Hwo is the very definition of "mixup" and also the plus frame god.
@@ronoronoronorono I’d put some characters in other places but hwoarang belongs in S tier in this list 🤣
I agree with the armor king placement, super honest character, he's got just enough cheese on him, very tasteful
Nice, something to watch with my dinner. Btw Lars, if you dont know the matchup, its like playing vs master raven or lei. Should be A
nah lars is no where near A you can counter his cheese really easy. in blue ranks maybe but green rank and above he is b at best
no
Half the characters are cheap, the other half are almost as cheap. Tekken is cheap XD.
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehe!!!!!! lmao! XDDDDDD
Exactly. Even some of my friends realize this game is bullshit. Can’t disagree there. I even play Lili who is cheap as well. I guess just play it to your best. Don’t care about the rest.
It ain't easy being cheezy. 😆
I think some cheese is useful for teaching beginners fundamentals like throw breaks and movement. For instance, Bryan's Snake Edge teaches players to block low and punish. But a character having so much cheese that you have spend hours lagging the matchup will just ruin the game for low and intermediate players.
I would argue the difficulty tierlist looks similar except for akuma and geese. There is somewhat of a correlation of difficult characters vs cheese characters.
Anna feels cheap imo. She has Nina can opener string and does she really need 2 lows that launch for combos? Just seems a bit too much. I personally knew quite a few ppl struggling to get out of yellow ranks get all the way up to mighty ruler with Anna. Even they would tell you she's cheap.
All her low are launch punishable, her can opener is just a knowledge check. Her crouch mix up is defo scary, just ssr her alot she can't really carry that far before u need to learn tekken unlike fahk and leroy
@@jackyv626 true. Anna isnt cheap at all I would say. Nothing but fundimentals
@@crazy911wman nah if u don't know the match up she's one of the cheapest character
@@jackyv626 I was joking :D Ofcourse shes cheap af
@@crazy911wman i define cheap as if even if you know the match up you'll still get cheesed chars like kuni ,fahk, zafina, akuma, and leroy just to name a few, anna has clear weakness that u can get around unlike the other char i mention.
I definitely understood the King placement initially, but when it was all said and done King is cheaper than about half of the characters above him 😂
If u don’t lab rolling death cradle you can lose to pretty bad players.
If you’re like me and have to warm up before being able to react to throws then running into King players early can get u blown up by otherwise free Kings, not to mention a less than ideal connection makes giant swing and hopkick basically a 50/50
You then get a fear of blocking which gets u counter hit all day.
Your fundamentals go out the window and suddenly your on equal ground with a player with nothing but flowcharts. That’s the definition of cheap
You dont have to lab death cradle lol. You cancel it by pressing 2. you have to guess its that simple
Be mad about giant swing sure, but if you are eating the huge chain throws then you had to have guessed wrong multiple times in a row.
This is absolutely true some characters are cheap and some are hard to learn
Please tell me this tier list consist of which thing and what is the meaning of cheap character
@@shahzorekhan3781 cheap means the character which does not require much skill and u can still be good at the game without knowing the fundamentals
@@ahmedpointo7596 but some characters like Yoshimitsu are cheap but require skill, maybe they belong in a separate category?
Steve hard on highest level but super cheap at purple ranks carried by spam b1 and 4,1,2 idk why but every Steve player has 5000 wins and still spam same moves, no improvement
@@WitchHunterRobin facts
There was a time where I would see this game as if it was like some kind of contest. "Who has the most cheap stuff, and who can abuse it the most?". That's how I saw the game once.
What changed? Because that's how everyone should view this game. It's cheap af overall, compared to almost every other top tier fighting game, especially online.
@@seanyoung9014 Tekken is pretty much the only fighter I've invested time in. What differentiates Tekken from other fighters regarding cheapness?
@@dyhrbergdk9541 Well, that's a matter of opinion but I feel like having a way to eventually parry air juggling the same way you can parry low blows would put a lot more emphasis on skill than in spending the entire round trying to catch someone off guard and juggle them to death. I would also appreciate if they would fix some of the buggy issues that happen in walled stages in the corners. I've lost so many close matches because the character suddenly reversed positions in a corner mid combo. I know it's a matter of personal preference but I also hate the way you can continuously combo someone up off the ground and I'm talking about starting a combo that way, not an ongoing combo. It is what it is, though. I'm not as annoyed as I was when I first made these comments weeks ago. I'm just more used to the mechanics of old school 2D fighters. The last Tekken I really got into was Pt 3 lol.
The list was going ok until he said he didnt care for master raven and started throwing every gimmicky character into S tier :P
I don’t get what’s up with him hating master raven all the time lollll
@@mrbaluga6525 he hates the magumbos on badass characters
@@allanlugo7842 MA's design is trash
Being a Hworang main.... His explanation.... pretty accurate 😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👌🏾
You gay?
Nah bruh
As much as I hate to see it I can understand it and respect it lol
@@kk0704 y do u ask every hwaorang mains if they're gay? I know ur curious cuz you try not to assume but what does it does it have to do with this lmao
The master raven slander is ridiculous🤣🤣 ...shout out to all my master Raven mains😎
Master Raven can be such a house.
A double 30 year mortgaged FHA subprime fixer upper of course, but still a house.
Ayee, Maven main. 🙌🏻
Can't really blame his reaction tho, maven players truly are far and few in-between. But i agree with his placement of Maven.
I love you bro you kept tekken alive for me I like videos like these
After a year of tekken, I realized that tekken was not a game about honesty, more like a battle of cheese, even with kazuya I always try to be the most scummish and ''unfair'' as possible.
I used to have a warrior kazuya and a purple rank katarina. Kazuya was always my main, I got bored of not playing my main and I kept trying until I got my kazuya to suzaku. Just play the character you enjoy even if it is harder that way, in the end it is going to be way more rewarding. I never felt any feeling of accomplishment getting katarina to purple.
Words to live by
Can't believe u just downplayed your own character 😐
I guess he is pandering to his twitch audience, most of whom are Mishima players
1:30 i almost choked i was drinking water lol, the way you say it killed me i love Marduk
I main kuma and I agree we do have advantages but also he’s a very complex character with a lot of weaknesses
As a Lei main, I take offense to this, Lei deserves to be higher in S tier, but at least he doesn't have a parry.
Yes he does
He does
@@ahmadmclaurin5911 where
Lei has multiple parries.
3+4 (high/mid punches, ps20~)
f+3+4 (high/mid punches)
DRU.f (high punches)
PHX.f (high punches)
TGR.f (high/mid strikes)
CRA (auto low parry)
Here's some random videos of them, including a video guide on parrying with Lei.
ruclips.net/video/pIeR3RHb_PA/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/AekO0pq_LBU/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/f5GPi4h057g/видео.html
@@notabot2351 bruh a bunch of characters have those kinds of parries I’m talking Leroy and asuka parries that are scrub killers, Bryan can do high punch parries, Ling can do high and mid evades with her stance, Jin can parry highs and mids, Feng’s 1+2 can parry high punches, Leo has a few too I’m saying Lei doesn’t have a broken 0 skill parry like Leroy.
As a Josie I can’t see the cheese
Unsafe strings
No lows that knock down or launch
Slow mids
Trash throws
Low combo damage
Tiny move list
She was super fun to use when I first started though then people learnt not to mash all the time and suddenly she has nothing but whiff punishes
😅
Yet The Mishima player thinks hellsweeps and okis are honourable tactics
A character that has 50,000 ways to launch you, has running bullshit from across the screen, so many crush moves, and it requires more effort to fight than it is to use. Compare that to a Mishima, hellsweep is extremely UNSAFE, electrics are high and require a just frame, can easily be side-stepped to the left, almost no gimmicks (Except for DJ but fuck him), they are super reliant on conditioning before they even get to play properly which is especially clear with electric pressure since no one respects it (compare that to Josie that can just fight anyone without setup).
TL;DR
Mishimas take extreme risks to do anything meaningful, Josie players win because of the smallest of risks done by their opponent. Press buttons until you win.
Yeah kind of absurd
Kazumi should be the queen of cheese but it's d tier for some reasons
Kata is literally kazumi but worse in every single way but because she has a garbage snake edge that works only in the lower ranks and she is s?
Literally never heard someone saying "wish I was playing vs kazumi" lmao
Another cheese character main in denial. Own up.
I straight up don't think Josie is cheap at all and I main Steve. She's legitimately steppable from her lean back stance and while she do be having some plus frames, you have 60 seconds to choose how to win the round, spending a few of those to block and learn the enemy's attack patterns is to your benefit. I haven't met a single Josie I couldn't beat in a long set, but of course that is a anecdote.
anyone know the song that starts at 3:30?
edit: nvm i found it, its called: Descent into Cerberon - Sonic Mayhem
I never a see a more real tier list than this, thx a lot I totally agree
When top 10 broken moves scrupman?
I agree with this list for the most part. I play Paul and I pretty much spammed my way into the red ranks. Maybe he could be S tier just because he could spam a lot and unless you are going for big boy combos, almost no execution required. As for the bottom of the list (C&D), whenever I face them since the ruler ranks, it is always a tough match.
I cant play with Paul, i just get outspammed always. Oh god, how much i hate braindead kids using only lows/grabs/imbalanced strings. What is the point of teaching characters if you lose to spammer who doesn't even know any staple combos
I remember playing a long set of ranked against a leroy and ended up getting a promotion for myself with heihachi. The leroy messaged me saying I didn't deserve that promo cuz i kept spamming ff2...
I mostly agree with the tier list, but with 2 exceptions:
1. King should be at least A because not only no one on online matches break throws, he also has quite some pretty disgusting oki and wall setups. I have a friend who's a Fujin King and even though I've fought his King for hundreds of times I still can't get used to King's setups, there's just too many. He plays King, but it almost feels like I'm playing against Xiaoyu and that's one solid proof that King certainly could be cheesier than you think.
2. It doesn't make sense to see Eliza not in the same tier as other 2D chars. Sure literally no one plays her, but she's really hard to use, and compared to the other 2Ds she's arguably the weakest. She has the least execution output (how much one can get from paying the execution grind) compared to other 2D's. Sure she has lots abusable moves, but so do Geese and Akuma. I think it's either put Eliza down to A-tier or put Geese and Akuma up to S-tier.
TBFIt takes a long ass time to learn all the set ups for different situations with king because like while there are a ton of amazing set ups they are hella niche and can be difficult to pull off.
I agree with the eliza especially coz once you learn the match up (which is pretty easy coz 1. She doesn't have a million moves and 2. All her lows are launch punishable) her gimmicky stuff becomes useless
@@khacks1238 That's true, but I think the reward is immense considering most of the time people don't know shit about the setups and the only way to get used is to find a player who's good with that. It's borderline impossible to just watch a guide video and expect to have the muscle memory to counter those setups overnight.
@@lc744 Yeah, and TMM didn't really try to explain why she's S (almost as if he's avoiding it) which was kinda disappointing tbh. It's clear that he's being too biased.
TMM plays king, and i think that makes him understand his "honesty". King has no pressure tools at all, he has like 3 plus moves which is neat cause if not he would be broken. The thing is once you know his basic setups, you find it really difficult to open your oponnent if he has a good defence, and then you need to start playing real tekken.
Noctis, Lei and Anna? Tmm roasted every main i have lol!! I just like them cause of the character! I had no idea what their moves looked like when i picked them as mains
The tier list we’ve all wanted and deserve.
Yoshimitsu cheap for real? You have any Idea how much time i Put to punishing Most the roster that has attacks, faster than supersonic? I have usually only 3-4 moves that fast enough to even punish from 200 attacks.
Props for Quake ost in background :)
I agree with almost everything, i just cant see how is Kazuya lower than Bryan PS: i'm a Kazuya main as well
I would argue Bryan is harder to play well, but he's definitely got more cheese. It really is opinion who's easier to win with.
Command throws, orbital, strings and parry probably.
@@hehen00b20 what command throws? He has a 1+2, thats it
Orbital, 3+4 and strings. Orbitals online are such bs because you can't dash block. Kazuya only has the Electric.
@@jR0xas strings eh, they're all high mids and -. Theres 1 string that has a low ender, but still.
As a Nina main I have to disagree (obviously lol). She can be cheap at beginner and intermediate level (can opener, mashing pressure, etc.) but she has no panick move nor a hopkick and at advanced/tournament level she's so punishable it's crazy, one of the reasons why you don't see her in tournaments. So I feel like she belongs to B or A top, but definitely not S.
I say B. I used to main nina and asuka (now just asuka). Nina is one of those characters that is meme or get memed on. Not like other characters. She does have some very cheap stuff going with her but it's not marduk or leroy or fahk levels of i want to rip my hair out yknow?
As a person whose been playing tekken 7 for only a year I agree that whenever I get into a match whether it be casual or ranked if I see a lucky Chloe or kunimitsu I leave the match instantly
Just don't rematch. It's not worth raising your disconnect rate.
Actual Start Time is 10:07
You’re a god.
I can't get it to be honest. You rate some of the characters like Bryan as characters played in high level and some of them as green-orange rank characters like law or maven. I can't see how Bryan is hard to play in lower ranks. But i can see how he is in higher ranks. Same with law, maven and Shaheen (pretty cheap in higher ranks imo). But that's your opinion of course and ill take it
Let me voice "my own" opinion. From my fights against Bryan since low to now upper intermediate rank, he has good tools, but not abusable string/setup/cheesy stuffs. He approaches and attacks "fundamentally" (in contrast of some bs like Julia party crasher) and defends against me "fundamentally" (in contrast of some bs like Feng's bunches of evasive and panic moves). To me Bryan should be ranked below any Mishimas. EWGF by itself is abusable.
@@thoraero His hatchet kick is the definition of bs. Half his moveset is safe ch launchers. He is also really hard to step. Bryan is quite cheap.
@@jasonkennedy6844 Idk to me it's a very good move but has never given me a big trouble (I'm violet rank). I'd still argue that you can counter Bryan fundamentally. He's not Feng or Hwo who I need a very specific way to "respectfully" deal with. And that's what I call real bs.
I dunno man alisa isn't that crazy imo, she's pretty reactable. For me characters with insane strings are way worse.
@F Fa k dude, get backdashed
Nahhh those bullshit chainsaws make her hard to punish
@@MegaKhalid121 yeah but theres like 5 good chainsaw attacks, so it aint even that bad imo.
Bruh are you smoking crack
*can fly in from a mile away and threaten you* yeah not cheesy at all
“The early bird may get the worm, but it's the second mouse who gets the cheese
Of course he would say Kazuya players don't get carried.
I agree with most but if a tierlist has more than half of the characters on S and A tier it means it's not very well thought out.
agree
MainMan: Mishima's High level get stomped and don't do well in pro play... D Tier
Also MainMas: Chloe and Eddy don't get to see pro play and take insane risks... S Tier
Uhh he's ranking by cheapness
early to an instant like, these videos are always funny and very accurate
“ I can make 5 mistakes in a round .. eauhh eauhh..you know I don’t get launched just Eauhh eauhh EAUHH!” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Kazuya is defo cheap not the cheapest but not D tier either even in god rank i can still cheese my way with hellsweep, and bamco keep buffing his ground hitting tool so get up to get 50/50ed again or get flipped with ff4.
1.Still tiny amount of execution requires for hellsweep.
2.Never disagree with mainmain about tekken.
Execution or not cheap is cheap.
@@sny0401 yeah sure akuma is balanced becaused he need execution then
Funny how people can say that Kazuya's "cheapness" requires execution.
Do people really find it hard to do f,df,f that hard?
If we're talking about PERFECT electrics, sure... but it's just a damn hellsweep.
Even a normal god fist is alright if you're just spamming the cheesiness.
C: Gmorning sir I would like 1 Bryan snake edge
S: That will be 89hp sir.
I lost it at
"Hiya hiya ho ho hiya hiya ho ho"
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I think tekken as a entire game is pretty cheap lol net code did that and broken hurt box mechanics
Yea.. this whole game a cheese festival
King of cheese fist tournament 7
Isn't devil jin below kazuya in win loss even with a move like u4.
I finished 50% of the video, waiting for Leroy's turn 😂
Lol why? He doesn't have to say anything just put him in S lol
@@ericisley4649 i was expecting a full essay, Leroy this, Leroy that. His parry, his frames
I love how TMM is so exasperated when mentioning Julia. Her FC mixups and oki is ridiculous.
julia main, agreed she is mega cheap. fun to learn though
I have waited years for this list. Not disappointed. And of course its daddy swe that covers it (:
I think superakouma did it too some time ago.
I bought this game yesterday, i was playing heihachi and i was scared about the complexity...no other fighting game is this hard and i play all of them
and ofc all the mishimas are around the bottom of the list we didnt see that one coming
Kazumi should be in C let's be fair here. Tiger spam at low ranks, hell sweeps without needing to cd, df1 seems so strong
you really can't cry about how cheap are certain characters as long as you main Marduk and Geese
Put his own characters at the top of the list he was super honest I don't know what you even complaining about at this point I could see if he didn't do that but yeah he he's honest
@@eugenewilliams3788 he put them at the top in order to get the pass to put kazuya at the bottom.
@@lere1201 of course I saw the rest of the vid I'm just to lazy with deleting my comments
@@eugenewilliams3788 why did you answer my reply if you're too lazy.
DLC characters almost all at the top kek.
>hellsweep
>honest
LMAO
Yeah cheese unless you don't know how to block.
@@blkwsor6277 I'm assuming you block every cd 4 thrown at you then
@@oreowithurea5018 not really but i know how to deal with it.
You did my favourite Master Raven dirty man 🤣🤣
Lee bottom tier cheapness? With THAT level of evasion? Dunno bout that one chief
The moment i realize, his cheap tier list is actually my "i dont like to play against" tier list, which mean S= HELL NO and D= totally fair.
I can just imagine TMM harshly judging the characters by their favorite cheeses. Idk why but it looks fucking hilarious
Came here for the Tekken content, stayed for the sick Quake 2 music.
You set Kazuya as the hardest character and as the least cheap. Totally no downplaying here
Bs list. Basically chars he doesn't feel good losing against. And endlessly justifies all the chars he and overlooks their cheapness. Whats the fucking point then.
Why's kazuya in the bottom tier?
His 50/50 game is probably the strongest in the game.
Not really honestly, because the most DLC characters has better 50/50 than Kazuya
@@Adam7180 thats not true lol. Kazuya has the best 50/50 besides akuma
but its still a 50/50 and 5050 is as fair as it gets u either get hit or u dont its up to u to react to it
@@frickysuavve247 lmao no
@@sinfulSeif lets run the hands g
i play with 5 characters, i dont understand how 4 of them ended on S but im happy one of them made me proud, Shaheen ma boy.
"Dont clip that."
Lmao 1st time hearing that.
Kazuya is a character for high IQ people, yup.
Also Kazuya: Every low I see, ws1,2 even if I don't confirm. Every time I don't do that, I keep buffering random electrics since the recovery is OP. But wait, what if they step those? Oh, hold my beer...
Also, losing by a lot? No problem. I'll do mix-up hellsweeps and electrics, because yeah... so much skill right.
@@sjlbx just 50/50 …fast spamming electric…just frame 13 frame(well fast can we press it to get a high damage ‘’PEWGF’’ )and fast execution (when do we press DF2)(frame data knowledge)weak poking also my Kazuya is still blue rank(yaksa) he requires electric in a lot of situations
@@mr.thipphakoneinthavong3676 knocking my opponent down and forcing them to wakeup with ff4 and db4 to setup another 50/50 is definitely high iq huh?
@@HououinKyouma. I think it depends on player(you know) for some people but I respect your opinion or everyone opinion
@@HououinKyouma. its a 50/50 tho thats literally as even as it gets
21:50 as a lei main yes I do love being quite cheesy. Im fairly new to the tekken scene, only been playing a few months now. Im still in yellow ranks so no one attack me I am practicing my fundamentals 🥺
But for real tho I just love lei as a character. I like having 13 stances lol. Even watched the legend of the drunken master with Jackie Chan, great movie btw. Still haven’t seen police story. I’ve heard good things about it though.
There are 2 'drunken master' movies with him both worth watching 👍
LOL few monthes to get to yellow rank. i needed almost a year of playing dragunov to reach green rank😂😂
@@mr.almezeini647 a year is a bit exaggerated but it's understandable, you have to work your way up harder than half of the roster
you can either main noctis and use one button to reach purple ranks in no time
or main jin for example, who breaks your fingera to reach green
it's just the nature of tekken
@@Tartersauce101 yea I had to watch the 2nd one first cause I wasn’t able to find The Drunken master anywhere online
I main Lei and got to red ranks with the help of my now yellow rank Heihachi. Learning the harder characters will help you gameplay overall. Try it!
nice theme for a tierlist
Bears are interesting i wouldn't have thought they would be some of the least played if i didn't know
With this list I would have put almost literally every character down 1 more tier, except for a few here, and especially all of S from hworang and noctis to the right.
This wasnt meant to be a difficulty tier list it was meant to be a cheese list
which it is. The ease of use of a character amplifies its cheese. If a move is super good but hard to execute its not cheesy
@@crazy911wman So why is Akuma high on the list? And Kazuya so low on the list?
Or is hellsweep hard to execute?
@@estoylaroca Maybe because only 3 people at most in the world knows how to fight akuma? I dunno maybe
@@crazy911wman Lul. You're maybe one of 3 people who *DON'T" know how to fight Akuma.
@@estoylaroca Oh so according to you majority of people know how to fight akuma. What a joker
Heihachi d/b2~FCdf4 into ff2 low rank cheese 😤🤣 I felt like a god till I got too red ranks 🤣
That shit works so good at low ranks lmfao
@@MrDxfusion honestly massive damage and a free launch almost every time 🤣
King should be in S because you can set the buttons up for all his chain combos and spam the same button for him to cheese you to death.
When that's the case you just gotta mash 1 then you'll break all the throws
Duuuude, the playlist pleeease, so fucking good.
"Don't care about this character" Sad shit... Raven isn't cheap :')
Raven tiny hurt box. Never used so lack of knowledge. Stupid wall combo dmg might be highest in the game. Quick unblockables. teleport. Sooooo fair
frr shes not that cheap
@@rpgtimefire cry about it lmaoo
@@zzenjuro what did you say.
7:59 "50/50 is always in Kazuya favor. " - that is actually true for most of the 50/50 offense in Tekken. Attacker in most cases gets the advantage. Just write down all options, how opponent can punish them, your reward, his reward, et.c., and you will see that on average attacker gets more out of this than the defender.
is that common sense i hear from a guy who mains 1 button? rare these days
The chance to get the opponent or that he will get you is still 50/50 so, yes you get more as an attacker but it still is a 50/50 chance so people bullshiting on him still doesn’t make up for it, even with your argumentation
and that is what I call the cheapest in tekken 7
IMO Steve is a very honest and fundamental character in high level of play but in beginner and intermediate you can just mash everyone to death with him and the opponent won't get a second to initiate any attack of their own. That's my experience playing against Steve mains in red-purple ranks.
Lee also has some bs shenanigans that you can tie up pretty easily into flowcharts and stomp people with but i understand the execution involved.
Overall really good list, I agree with most of the placements.
Unless the steve player is against an asuka player (i am one). Man just gets punished by the reversal and her cheap kick combo. Other stuff she can pull is her pressure into her grabs and her cheap mixup punishing. (Offensively her mixup game is bad but when she punishes with it, she gets like 50% and space between them)
This can really be said about all characters in beginner to intermediate. Relative to the cast, Steve is extremely honest and difficult character.
@@chillskid You're not gonna win anything in these ranks with Jin, Kazuya, Bryan or Heihachi, no matter how hard you try to mash. Not the case with Steve
@@TheMethod8 Eh I just disagree bro. As a long time Steve main, I know how ineffective mashing is in intermediate play. Most of Steve's best moves can be ducked or high crushed. You really have to have strong fundamentals to perform consistently well online. Timing is your best friend as setting up counter hits is his main game plan. There's a reason why he has one of the lowest win rates. Is he as hard as Mishimas? Maybe not, but he certainly comes close.
@@TheMethod8 eh no, you can’t just mash with steve, if you think that, then you either A) kept mashing yourself and got counterhit by Steve or B) never tried to duck against him. B+1 is a high, his flicker jabs are highs, 121 is a high etc.
Seriously, steve is very ineffective if he doesn’t get his counterhits, so you thinking that way about Steve, tells us that you got absolutely smoked by a couple of Steve players because you probably kept pressing. Steve can’t mash, with Steve you have to use calculated agression, you have to know what you’re doing. And to get Steve to red ranks, you have to be really decent, i struggle to stay in orange ranks with steve and believe me, mashing with steve doesn’t even work in yellow ranks.
As a sometimes AK player, he's more like a B. Even though his cheese is not super strong, it is very unique to him and requires a considerable amount of labbing.
The biggest offender is d/b+4. It is an easily seeable low, but most character's WS punishers will whiff because AK recovers grounded. To really get some punishment going, you need to either low parry on reaction (which isn't very hard, but not exactly easy either), or learn a separate grounded punish just for this move. In case of my main, Jin, it's either 4~3, f,f+4 or dash d+2, for instance.
Unlike most unblockables, 1+4 cannot be stepped at all, it can only be sidewalked left. And if your character's jab has a bad range/hitbox - floating him out of it is super inconsistent. It's better to sidewalk left still, because then you get backturned punish for like 100+ damage.
Similar situation with his other unblockables. CD 3 has to be ducked, pretty much no other characters have this. U/f+1+2 hold has insane range, and has super weird tracking - sometimes it tracks fucking 180 degrees, sometimes it gets stepped by the smallest of sidesteps.
A lot of his moves are "punishable" as in they are -10 or worse, but the timing is so strict that you can rarely land it online.
D+3+4 and its followups are pretty cheesy as well IMO.
And these are just the first that come to mind.
All the moves you listed are complete garbage lol. His cheap moves are his backswing blow and ffn2
@@justaduck6879 they certainly aren't good, but against players who aren't familiar with them - they work, 100%. I wanted to fucken cry when I got into red ranks spamming d/b+4 and never getting punished, d+3+4,1 and never getting ducked, using 1+4 for oki, etc. Getting AK to the same rank as my real mains who I play for like a year now, after 3-4 days.
Ofc people started countering these things more often as I went on, but then as you say - AK has strong moves you just switch over to. I wouldn't say the backswing blow is nuclear cheese, but it's a pretty cheap. ffn2 however I totally forgot about, it's grade A busted cheese, especially vs characters who don't launch at -14 while standing.